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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a gorgeous girl

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Speaker 1: in her early twenties just drop off the face of

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Speaker 1: the earth and we have no idea what happened. I'm

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Speaker 1: not buying that for one minute, and I want to

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Speaker 1: know what happened to Andy Wagner. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Crime Stories and on Serius XM one eleven. First

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Speaker 1: of all, Andy Wagner last heard from on August the sixth.

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Speaker 1: What happened? Listen?

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Speaker 2: Eline Garcia planned to come back to Evansville, Indiana to

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Speaker 2: pick up her oldest daughter, Andy Wagner, and take her

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Speaker 2: back to Texas, where the two would live together. Those

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Speaker 2: plans have now changed, and Garcia has moved back to

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Speaker 2: Evansville to search for her oldest daughter. Andy Wagner was

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Speaker 2: last seen weeks ago on August sixth, and other than

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Speaker 2: a text message that same day, Wagner has not had

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Speaker 2: any contact with family members or friends. Her mother is

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Speaker 2: worried because Andy Wagner was extremely excited about the move

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Speaker 2: to Texas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're hearing from our friends at crimeonline dot com

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Speaker 1: and with me right now. An all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of where is Andy? Joining us? Is Andy's mother,

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Speaker 1: Elaine Garcia. Now if you want to find her online,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Answers for Andy and be Andy's voice. Elaine.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Thank you for inviting me. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm trying to figure out you going to

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Speaker 1: Evansville to get and your daughter. I mean I'd go

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Speaker 1: or my son Lucier John David wanted to come home

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Speaker 1: the end of the earth. I would fight through chewing

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Speaker 1: them to get to them. So you go, your daughter

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Speaker 1: wants to come home, what's to come move home with you?

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Speaker 1: And you go to Evansville to bring her home.

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Speaker 4: What happened two weeks I had spoken to Andy a

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Speaker 4: few weeks before, and I had told her she was crying,

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Speaker 4: She said, I want to be back with you. She said,

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not getting any support here, I said, baby.

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Speaker 3: At the time, I was working at the penitentiary.

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Speaker 4: So you know they're kind of strict. So I said, baby,

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Speaker 1: Oh, miss Garcia, And you.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand how mad? I'm so mad myself.

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Speaker 4: Why I just make up and go.

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Speaker 1: I know that you're thinking what you could have done differently,

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Speaker 1: But Miss Garcia, she understood how much you loved her.

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Speaker 1: What happened is not your fault. In fact, if it

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Speaker 1: weren't for you, we wouldn't even be trying to find Andy,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even know she was missing. We would know nothing.

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Speaker 1: So she tells you she wants to move home with you.

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Speaker 1: So you have a day off from work. What do

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Speaker 1: How long of a drive was that?

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Speaker 1: Did you go by yourself?

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Speaker 1: So you take off from Texas? Where in Texas?

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Speaker 3: Which talk off Texas?

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Speaker 1: And you set off on about a thirteen hour drive

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Speaker 3: Oh, I moved. I actually moved here when the girls

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Speaker 1: So let me understand. You spoke to her. She goes, Mommy,

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Speaker 4: It might have been to three weeks before she had

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Speaker 1: you're saying, two weeks before that you spoke to her,

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Speaker 3: You find nothing. I didn't know she was missing until

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Speaker 1: So, Miss Garcia, you travel across the country and you

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Speaker 3: Where from her grandparents' house?

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Speaker 1: Do you go to the grandparents' house?

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Speaker 3: You learn that she had been gone, that they hadn't

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Speaker 1: So almost immediately after you speak with her and tell

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Speaker 1: Reporter fourteen News in Evansville, the NBC affiliate, Steve Milling,

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having mens so Elaine.

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Speaker 1: Travels across the country, she gets all the way there

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Speaker 6: So when people go missing, obviously police follow the report.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks before her mother is to arrive in Indiana

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Speaker 2: a missing person report on August twelve.

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Speaker 1: You know, interesting, there is a thing called routine evidence.

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Speaker 1: And my routine evidence. I don't mean typical evidence or

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Speaker 1: For instance, if I didn't show up to this studio

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grease joining me is Alan Bennett

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Speaker 1: from Texas, former felony prosecutor now partner A Gunter Bennett

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Speaker 1: and Anthos. Alan. Thank you for being with us way

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Speaker 1: in on what you've heard so far. So she comes

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Speaker 7: your opportunity to be here. Thank you also for continuing

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Speaker 7: period your podcast listeners when we keep saying all the sixth,

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Speaker 7: a year and three months ago. If I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 7: Secondly, Missler, I see a God with you and your family,

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Speaker 7: after I do things in situations like this, Nancy, you

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Speaker 7: know will be better than anyone from your career. In

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Speaker 7: we'll even take a missing person's case for seventy two hours.

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Speaker 7: They'll do a welfare check, they'll they'll knock on the door,

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Speaker 7: but people won't formally initiate a missing persons report until

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Speaker 7: seventy two hours are going. And of course at that

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Speaker 7: point you've already lost the first forty eight hours, the

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Speaker 7: that is an inherent problem.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right. I think you're entirely right.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing Allan Bennett joining us out of Austin to

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us Brian Fitzgibbs, director of Operation USPA

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Speaker 1: Nationwide Security, leads his team of investigator specializing and finding

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Speaker 1: missing people. And just so you know, former marine and

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Speaker 1: Iraqi war Vet Brian, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: So I think Alan Bennett, former felony prosecutor, is correct.

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Speaker 1: Those first forty eight hours are so critical.

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Speaker 8: Explain why, Brian, Absolutely, Nancy and Allen, you really hit

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Speaker 8: the nail on the head there. We lose so much

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Speaker 8: information as time transpires here and I have to really

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Speaker 5: It's a tremendous.

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Speaker 8: In a nutshell, that's where you're going to get your

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's think about that, Ella Garcia. You hear Steve

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Speaker 1: Mellan and Brian Fitzgibbon all A Benett speaking Elaine. Do

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Speaker 1: Andy's grandparents have a ring door cam? Is there any

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, they do have a ring door caam.

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Speaker 1: Was that retrieved?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you do know that the family is the repository.

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Speaker 1: Like if I want to look at my ring camera,

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Speaker 1: I can look on my phone and see what happened last.

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Speaker 1: It's not the police are going to give it to you.

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Speaker 3: No, ma'am. They never offered her, I asked. They never

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it. They never willingly say, hey,

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Speaker 1: You're Annie's mom? Did you ever say I'm trying to Andy,

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Speaker 3: They didn't. They did not show it to me. Now why,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. They did show one other female, but

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Speaker 1: Eline Garcia, there is video, and they showed it to

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: From my understanding is that this female went to the wagoners,

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Speaker 1: Do you know what kind of vehicle it was?

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Speaker 3: Nancy myself I don't know, but from my understanding it

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am very very confused right now. Steve Malling,

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Speaker 1: Steve Melling joining us from fourteen News as to what

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Speaker 1: exactly is happening in this case. You've got a twenty

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Speaker 6: As far as I'm aware, you know, a very common

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Speaker 1: We where do the grandparents live?

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Speaker 3: They live on off Oak Hill, very nice subdivision, has

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Speaker 1: Alane Garcia, am I correct in believing that the grandparents'

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, is right off the lynch. You go down

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Speaker 1: So it seems to me and I want to go

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Speaker 1: same time, I would be working on pings from her phone.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 2: On August twelfth, the Evansville Police Department sends out a

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Speaker 2: missing person announcement to local media. The report says twenty

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Speaker 2: four year old Andy Wagner was reported missing by a

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Speaker 1: An orange tank top in jene to see that would

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Speaker 1: Did she normally answer calls? Did she normally return texts?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I mean not one hundred percent the time, but

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Speaker 3: she will. She would eventually. Before we didn't hear. If

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Speaker 3: I would definitely hear from her, like the third or

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Speaker 1: All the contacts ceased on August sixth.

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Speaker 3: Yes, when I found out that she was missing, I

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Speaker 3: I called again. I was restricted.

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Speaker 1: Had she ever restricted? You before, Miss Garcia, No, ma'am so,

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Speaker 1: Doctor John Delatorie joining us now license psychologists specializing and

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Speaker 1: forensics psychology. Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: If she had never blocked her mother before and her

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Speaker 1: it very difficult to believe that she would block her

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Speaker 3: Well, I totally agree.

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Speaker 9: And as you described before about a person's routine, the

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Speaker 1: You know what it brings to mind, Doctor Delatory. It

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Speaker 1: do you make of that, doctor Delatory?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, with laundry, this is someone who wants to make

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Speaker 9: A behavior like this could signify that the person who

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Speaker 1: Elaine, in your whole history with your daughter Andy, who's

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Speaker 3: No, She's never blocked me, No matter how mad or

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Speaker 1: And question has she ever gone this long before and

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, especially, And I'm not trying to make anybody

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Speaker 3: Andy reached out to me every time she needed help.

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Speaker 3: Every time she felt like she was about to be

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is one of the founders of

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Speaker 1: Underwater Recovery. Ronnie, thank you for being with us. Tell

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Speaker 5: We have searched a lot of these strip fits and things.

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Speaker 5: We've had some information come in to myself and Miss

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Speaker 5: There's over three hundred strip pits in that area and

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Speaker 1: You know, what's interesting in this case? Or so many

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Speaker 1: We tried to contact police. I find that very very unusual.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think or thought we were all on

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Speaker 1: the same team trying to find Andy. And as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, Miss Garcia, I recently did a crime

444
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Speaker 1: alert about Andy's disappearance. Shortly after that crime alert, you

445
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Speaker 1: had a meeting with law enforcement in which they basically

446
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Speaker 1: scolded you for speaking about the case publicly.

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Speaker 3: Is that true, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Why why do they not want you to bring attention

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Speaker 1: to Andy's case?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Miss Nancy, I honestly do not know.

451
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sense of what we know. Right now.

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Speaker 1: We have a little more information. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: After moving to Evansville from Texas to help find her daughter.

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Speaker 2: Aline Garcia and others organized a Facebook group where is

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Speaker 2: Andy to raise awareness about the case and help coordinate

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Speaker 2: grassroots efforts to locate Wagner. Garcia has also spoke to

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Speaker 2: the local media outlets about her ongoing efforts to find

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Speaker 2: her daughter. Police believe Andy Wagner was last seen in

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Speaker 2: Oakland City, Indiana, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Explain that to me Steve Melling joining us from fourteen knees.

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Speaker 1: So she's not last saying in Evansville. Now, I understand

462
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Speaker 1: she's last saying in Oakland City, about forty minutes away.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, last day. Last I've heard from evans the police.

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Speaker 6: The last update regarding you know where her whereabouts could

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Speaker 6: be was that police believed that she was last seen

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Speaker 6: up in Oakland City, which is about forty forty five

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Speaker 6: minutes north of Evansville, up in Gibson County, which is

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Speaker 6: a county above Vanderburgh, right at the highway.

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Speaker 1: Now, when do we believe that siding was.

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Speaker 6: I don't believe that they gave us a specific date

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Speaker 6: on that disappears, but I believe it was pretty recent

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Speaker 6: to August sixth. I believe it was either August sixth

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Speaker 6: or August seventh, they believe they saw her last.

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Speaker 1: Alane Garcia, Andy Wager's mom. What tell me about the

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Speaker 1: siding of her? In Oakland City, forty minutes south of Evansville.

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Speaker 3: So I was given a tip that she had been

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Speaker 3: picked up from Newburgh through Oakland in city. I have

478
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Speaker 3: one tips or that said that they literally saw her

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Speaker 3: get out of a vehicle with three other guys and

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Speaker 3: that was the last that they saw her.

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Speaker 1: Is this a person that knows Andy.

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Speaker 3: No, but recognized her flyers?

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Speaker 1: Are these flyers that you put up?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe the person is credible?

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Speaker 3: I don't know because I don't know them personally. They

487
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Speaker 3: sound like an older couple.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie, are you familiar with this sighting?

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Speaker 5: I am familiar with you know miss Scarcia telling me

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, what what if anything do you know about

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Speaker 1: the signing? Should we believe it or not?

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Speaker 5: They seem, you know, they seem like an older couple,

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Speaker 5: like Miss Scarcia.

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Speaker 1: Said, Well, but I hear you saying older. Are they blind?

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Speaker 1: I mean they saw that, they saw the flyer, they

497
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Speaker 1: see the girl. They call the number. You got two people?

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Speaker 1: You say, a couple? That's two people identify this girl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are they are they drunk? Are they high?

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Speaker 1: Are they blind? Can they not see? Or the lighting

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Speaker 1: conditions bad? Was it the dead of night? Do we

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Speaker 1: believe the sighting? Guys? This could not be more critical.

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Speaker 3: And that's what that was one of the questions I

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Speaker 3: asked this person, why didn't you call it in?

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, they did call it in. That's how you

506
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Speaker 1: found out about them.

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Speaker 3: Right months later, like months later, they reached out to

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Speaker 3: me on messenger, okay, because I was posting about Andy

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Speaker 3: and posting pictures.

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Speaker 1: So have you gone to meet with them?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: They don't want a lot of these Miss Nancy, A

514
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Speaker 3: lot of these people that come to me don't want.

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Speaker 1: To get involved, be involved.

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Speaker 3: They don't want, you know, I have asked can we meet?

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Speaker 3: Can can we talk on you know?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: So it's not from your lack of try prime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. You know Alan Bennett joining me former

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Speaker 1: prosecutor now partner at Gunter Bennett and Anthus, Alan, I've

522
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: seen it a million times and I believe Eline Garcia

523
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Speaker 1: is right. I think that it is an amazing blessing

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Speaker 1: that they even responded on the internet to her. People

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Speaker 1: don't want to get involved, they don't want anything to

526
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Speaker 1: do with it, and so so many cases go unsolved.

527
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Speaker 1: Missing people remain missing because witnesses are afraid to come forward.

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Speaker 1: I think Elaine is telling it exactly the way it happened.

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Speaker 7: I am puzzled about law enforcement's hand and of potential

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Speaker 7: evidence in this case, ring Candras, Halo, Cottage, Aklo, the

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Speaker 7: long percement puttinge. You see an intersection after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 7: If there's a missing person, law enforcement temple he puts

533
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Speaker 7: every scrap of evidents they can into the media with

534
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 7: the questions has anyone seen this card? Does anyone recognize

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Speaker 7: this card? Does anyone recognized this person? I'm puzzled used

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Speaker 7: to by law enforcement declines the opportunity to come on

537
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 7: to your show. They would take every opportunity available to

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Speaker 7: continue to get that message out. And I'm those things

539
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Speaker 7: puzzle me.

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Speaker 1: And you know what another thing, Alan Bennett, following up

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Speaker 1: on what you're saying, there may be a perfectly innocent

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Speaker 1: explanation about what police are doing. You know, I used

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Speaker 1: to have a judge's the best judge in the courthouse,

544
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Speaker 1: by the way. He was in his eighties and he

545
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: would tell jurys, it is your duty to make all

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Speaker 1: the witnesses speak the truth, impugning perjury on no one.

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00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: In other words, it's your duty to go back in

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Speaker 1: that jury deliberation room and make all the puzzle pieces

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Speaker 1: fit together and assume nobody's lying. I don't want to

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00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: assume the police have done a bad job. They may

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Speaker 1: know a lot that they can't or won't say, so

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Speaker 1: I don't want to impugne them now. I do think

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00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: they need to communicate with Andy's mother better than their doing.

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Speaker 1: That does not mean they have dropped the case. Now.

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00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Why they wouldn't come on with me, I don't know

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00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: the answer that, But I do know this. There is

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Speaker 1: a credible sighting by not one, but two people out

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Speaker 1: of Oakland City, Indiana, Newburgh. So we may have an

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Speaker 1: issue of crossing state lines. And if we cross state lines,

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Speaker 1: that's a perfect opportunity for the FBI to get involved.

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Speaker 1: Steve Malling is the FBI involved last.

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Speaker 6: Time last week checked. I believe this is just a

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Speaker 6: strictly evans A police case.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, and I want to I do want.

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Speaker 6: To just clarify one thing for you. Oakland City is

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Speaker 6: forty five minutes north of Evansville, so it is north,

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Speaker 6: so you would have to drive about an hour to

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Speaker 6: get to the border of Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: How far is Kentucky from Oakland City?

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Speaker 6: I'd say probably about fifty minutes to an hour.

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Speaker 1: Where is Newburgh?

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Speaker 6: In that case, Newburgh is just east of Evansville, so

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Speaker 6: it's about fifteen minutes east, And so from Newburgh to

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Speaker 6: Oakland City you're talking about probably the same amount of

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Speaker 6: time it takes to get to Evansville is probably about

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Speaker 6: forty five minutes.

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Speaker 3: But I would like to ask miss Nancy, if you

578
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: don't mind, please jump in, is why when Andy left

579
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: with this individual and took him took her to his place,

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Speaker 3: why was not And I don't know if they have

581
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Speaker 3: or they didn't, but I haven't gotten a straight answer.

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Speaker 3: Has anybody in that area where he lived? Did they

583
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Speaker 3: ask any of the neighbors for rereen Camps?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's back it up just a moment. You're telling

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Speaker 1: me you believe she got in the car with a

586
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Speaker 1: guy that took her to his place. You already know that, Yes, yes,

587
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I was told.

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00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: Who she was with where she went to Newburgh. And

589
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: now this person is claiming that he was asleep, and

590
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Speaker 3: Andie he went to sleep at two o'clock and Andy

591
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: left at two thirty.

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Speaker 5: In the morning.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie joining us from Brothers Underwater Recovery, also searches on land.

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Speaker 1: He's been working on this case. What can you tell

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Speaker 1: me about a tip that Andy was taken by a

596
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Speaker 1: guy to his place? And now that guy, who I'm

597
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Speaker 1: not going to name, is claiming he was sleep and

598
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Speaker 1: that she left. Okay, what can you tell me about that?

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Speaker 5: So supposedly she was picked up from the grandparents and

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Speaker 5: took to Newburgh. This is a guy that she was

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Speaker 5: supposedly seeing, which I do believe actually also has a

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Speaker 5: girl for our wife. And well, she was staying there

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Speaker 5: with him. And this guy supposedly went to sleep at

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Speaker 5: two o'clock in the morning, and then Andy went to

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Speaker 5: leave at two thirty. But if he was asleep, how

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Speaker 5: could he know that she left at two thirty? And

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Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, Miss Garcia, isn't this the same

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Speaker 5: residence that somebody's seen Andy outside the residence and a

609
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Speaker 5: couple of guys grabbed her took her back in the house.

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Speaker 1: Right there is where this case needs to be in

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Speaker 1: Newburgh because you have. You've got not only the couple

612
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Speaker 1: claiming that they saw her in Oakland City, which is

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Speaker 1: not far from Newburgh. I think I've got the geography

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Speaker 1: right now. You've got more than one witness placing her

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Speaker 1: at this apartment with this guy that we believe to

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Speaker 1: be married, and the last thing he wants is for

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Speaker 1: it to get out that he seeing this young twenty

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Speaker 1: five year twenty four year old girl. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think his wife would take kindly to that. So let

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Speaker 1: me ask you, Brian Vince Gibbons, Director Operations at USPA

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Speaker 1: Nationwide Security. That's where the investigation needs to be. We've

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Speaker 1: got multiple signings of her in this area and maybe

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Speaker 1: even at this apartment.

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Speaker 8: You're absolutely right, Nancy, and having had a chance to

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Speaker 8: go over some of these tips with both Ronnie and

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Speaker 8: Owayne prior to the show, I can tell you that

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Speaker 8: there's something to the pattern in the volume of tips

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Speaker 8: around this crew of people that surround that Newberg apartment

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Speaker 8: that you know. Some of these tips are anonymous, some

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Speaker 8: of these tips are from people that are non anonymous,

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Speaker 8: But there is a high number of tips that surround

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Speaker 8: Andy going to this apartment in Newburgh and that is

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Speaker 8: indeed where this investigation needs to go as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ronnie joining us from Brothers underwater recovery. What can

635
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Speaker 1: you tell me about police investigation in Newburgh?

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Speaker 5: As far as I know, there is not onely. She

637
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Speaker 5: went to a party the next night after she left

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Speaker 5: that house, which was in Oakland City. That's why this

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Speaker 5: investigation has went to Oakland City.

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Speaker 1: So she was spotted at August the seventh at a

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Speaker 1: party in Oakland City? Is that correct, yes, ma'am. And

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Speaker 1: Steve Milling how far away is Oakland City from Newburgh?

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Speaker 6: About forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's got to be getting from place to place somehow.

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Speaker 1: Somebody is giving her a ride. Elaine Garcia, what about

646
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Speaker 1: pinging her phone? Has that happened?

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Speaker 3: It has happened, but I cannot remember if they said

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Speaker 3: it pinged in Newburgh or it pinged in Evansville. But

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, I think they did something to my daughter,

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Speaker 3: brought her phone back into town and used it to

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Speaker 3: ping it to make it look like she was in town.

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Speaker 1: When you say in town, you mean Evansville, Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: What was do you know the last ping on her phone?

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Speaker 1: Was it in Evansville. No, so we've got her alive

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Speaker 1: the night of the seventh, and something goes wrong the

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Speaker 1: night of August the seventh. If you have information on

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Speaker 1: this girl, twenty four year old Andy Wagner, please dial

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Speaker 1: eight one two four three six for zero one two.

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Speaker 1: Repeat eight one two four three six for zero one two.

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Speaker 1: The search for Andy goes on. Goodbye, friend, you you man.