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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants

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Speaker 1: dot com, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 1: Giants Huttle podcast here on giants dot Com as well

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Speaker 1: as the mobile app. He is Pauledatino. I'm Lance Meadow.

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Speaker 1: Three rounds of the NFL Draft in the books, and

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Speaker 1: we are here to recap what transpired for the Giants

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Speaker 1: in rounds two and rounds three, and the Giants were

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Speaker 1: very busy, Paul, before they even made their first selection,

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Speaker 1: so let's start there. Initially, we thought the Giants were

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Speaker 1: going to make a pick at thirty six. They then

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Speaker 1: swapped with the New York Jets, so they moved back

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Speaker 1: to thirty eight, and they were able in return for

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Speaker 1: But then they didn't stay put at thirty eight. They

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Speaker 1: wound up moving back again to forty three, as this

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Speaker 1: time they traded positions with the Atlanta Falcons and as

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Speaker 1: a result of that they added a fourth rounder, so

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Speaker 1: a result of pair of trades in which they moved

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Speaker 1: down and they ultimately then made the selection at forty

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Speaker 1: three and took wide receiver Wandale Robinson out of Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: A small wide receiver but a very shifty guy, similar

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Speaker 1: to Caddarius Tony in terms of how Kentucky utilized them.

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Speaker 1: He gets out into open space. He set all types

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Speaker 1: gives them another option as they continue to work out

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Speaker 1: the identity of the receivers and protect themselves from some

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Speaker 1: of the guys that have some injury history. You're looking

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Speaker 1: ran four four four at his forty time testing, and

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Speaker 1: you know, Lance, you can't. You can't in any way

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Speaker 1: dispute the production. Last year at Kentucky he was third

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Speaker 1: and versatility the two primary factors when they considered this player,

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Speaker 1: we know that Darius Tony in all likelihood is going

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was on crutches, didn't have didn't

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Speaker 1: seemed to be doing well. Nonetheless, I would say that

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Speaker 1: for the start of the season. And they have to

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just not how life in the NFL operates,

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Speaker 1: So it's understandable. And the other thing that I found

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Speaker 1: And Paul, that was his only season at Kentucky because,

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this all the time, Paul. If

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Speaker 1: How many times have we heard this talk about versatility?

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