1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: High Betrayal family. It's Andrea Gunning. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: I want to introduce you to a new weekly true 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: crime show that our team at Glass podcast has just launched. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: It's called American Homicide and is hosted and produced by 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: my colleague Sloane Glass, who I have here today. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Hi Sloan, Hi Andrea. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: You guys may not know this, but Sloane worked on 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: season two of Betrayals, so she's very close to the 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: Betrayal team. 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: It feels very close to my heart. I mean the 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: highlight for me working on Betrayal was interviewing Aveya for 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: the show. I'd admired her for a long time as 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: a listener and then getting the opportunity to sit down 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: with her that felt so special. 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think you guys did an incredible job 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: and they were in great hands with you. And I'm 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: so curious what made you want to take on a 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: project like American Homicide. 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: What I really love about a Man and Homicide is 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: how immersive it is. It's not just a retelling. It's 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: a re examination of infamous true crime stories through first 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: hand accounts. You are hearing from law enforcement, who is 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: behind the investigations. You are hearing from lawyers, you are 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: hearing from judges, you are hearing from victims and their 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: friends and family. And I think what makes it so 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: significant and special really plays off of when you are 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: covering a story. It can be the same crime in 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: a different location and it will have a totally different 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: impact depending on the community. I learned this as a 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: local news reporter and later as a national news reporter, 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: that you are dealing with very different circumstances wherever you 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: are in the country. When a crime takes place in 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: let's say a small town. What comes to mind for 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: me in my personal experience as a journalist, I think 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of in Delphi, Indiana, there was a case that had 37 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: gone cold for six years, two girls had been killed, 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: and it was a town of thirteen hundred people. That's 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: different from when a crime like that happens in a city. 40 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: The first story that we have in American homicide, it 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: made me feel that same way. 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: So on the feed, we're sharing an episode of American 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: homicide called The Father's Day Murders. Can you tell us 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: a little bit about what happens? 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: The episode is called The Father's Day Murders. Now you 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: just have to imagine it's Father's Day. You go to 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: your parents' house for dinner, You open the door and 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: you find your mom, dad, and brother beat in to death. 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: And that's what happened to a woman in the small 50 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: town of l Rancho, New Mexico. The main suspect for 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: a substantial amount of time was the daughter who had 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: found her family. It just leaves you wondering what was 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: going on here. Someone must know something. 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: And they're in the community, and they're in. 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: The community, and this is a woman who had to 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: fight to find answers to what exactly happened to her family, 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: and meanwhile everyone is looking at her like she was involved. 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for this series, Loan. You're phenomenal. The 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: storytelling is fantastic. The episodes that I have heard, you 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: are just at every twist and turn, just on the 61 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: edge of your seat, and I don't doubt that the 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: betrayal audience is going to love it. So without further ado, 63 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: here's American Homicide Father's Day Murders, Part one, benefing on ways. 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: It was Father's Day twenty eleven when Charie or Tease 65 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: walked into her parents' home and found the bodies of 66 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: her mother and. 67 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: Father, they had been shot in the head, and it 68 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: occurred sometime ear you're in the day I just walked. 69 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: The brutality was unspeakable. 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: The hunt to find the killer would tear the community 71 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: apart and devastate cherif. 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 5: I really do have hope this is going to get solved. 73 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: My name is Sloane Glass. I'm a journalist who covered 74 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: the Long Island serial killer, the Delphi, Indiana murders, and 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: many other high profile true crime cases. And now I'm 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: the host of American Homicide, a podcast where we take 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: you across the country to investigate some of America's deadliest crimes. 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: We'll explore how these murders are shaped by their unique landscapes, 79 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: and how these tragedies have shaped the fabric of these 80 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: American communities forever. Today we're in the tiny village of 81 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: al Rancho, New Mexico, for part one of the Father's 82 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: Day Murders on American Homicide. As a note, this podcast 83 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: contains subject matter which may not be suitable for all audiences. 84 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: Discretion is advised. I had a picture for you. Santa Fe, 85 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: New Mexico, is called the city Different for its rich 86 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: culture and diverse community. Native American ancestries blend with Spanish 87 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: culture in a state with one of America's richest landscapes. 88 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 6: Northern New Mexico in particular, it's a very unique place. 89 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 6: It's beautiful. 90 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: Alex Tomlin was a local TV news reporter who lives 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: in the area. 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 6: It has impeccable weather and the mountains are incredible. 93 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: The region is home to natural hot springs and wild rivers. 94 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 6: You can drive an hour north and go whitewater rafting, 95 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 6: or you can go down to white Sands and enjoy that. 96 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 6: But kind of on the outskirts of Santa Fe, you 97 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 6: get a lot of the smaller communities. 98 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: And one such place is the tiny village of El Rancho. 99 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: The predominantly Hispanic community is about twenty miles from Santa 100 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: Fe and is built around co op farming and churches. 101 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 6: It's a lot of people who have kind of grown there, 102 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 6: have families there, kind of all know each other. 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: But it's also a desolate place. 104 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 5: Well. 105 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 6: One of the things about New Mexico is it's so open. 106 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 6: When you go to someone's home, often they have a 107 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 6: significant sized property. There's not neighbors very close. 108 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: And even though the homes are all spread out across 109 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the desert. 110 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 6: Everyone kind of knows each other that there is an 111 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 6: interesting dynamic here. As much as it's known for its beauty, 112 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 6: is also known for the crime. 113 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: The tragic murders on Father's Day twenty eleven would stretch 114 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: the fabric of l Rancho to its limits. 115 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 6: So June eighteen, twenty eleven, seemed like any normal night. 116 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: Shari or Ties had dinner plants with her parents, Lloyd 117 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: and Dixie. 118 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 6: Shari or Tees. She lived on the property with the Ortizes. 119 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: Her parents and brother lived in a large one story house, 120 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: and Schari and her husband lived in an RV next door. 121 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Even though there's a fence around their spacious property, the 122 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: family had an open door policy. 123 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 6: Anyone could come in, have dinner at their table or 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 6: in time with them. They were just kind of a 125 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 6: good family in this community that was very tight knit. 126 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: Lloyd Ortiz was a man who loved to use his hands. 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: He owned his own ceramic tile business. His craftsmanship turned 128 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: up in homes and even luxury hotels all over northern 129 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: New Mexico. 130 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 6: He was an incredibly loving father, a hard working man 131 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 6: who provided for his family. His wife, Dixie. 132 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: They sound like a perfect pair. Dixie was passionate about 133 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: working with the elderly and the disabled. She was an 134 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: activities director at a local retirement home, and she fostered 135 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: children with special needs. 136 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 6: They took in a child who had chicken baby syndrome 137 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 6: and adopted him as their own raise That child. Loved 138 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 6: that child. 139 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: That child's name was Stephen. Steven had special needs from 140 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: his early life injuries. His brain never developed beyond that 141 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: of a nine year old, but he matured into a 142 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: young man that his family called the gentle Giant. He 143 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: loved to play drums, ride his ATV, and fish with Lloyd. 144 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 6: They were just really giving, loving people, burying northern New Mexico, 145 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 6: hard working, you know, love the land, love the culture 146 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 6: kind of thing. 147 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Since it was Father's Day, Charie or Tease, whipped up 148 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: a plate of homemade enchiladas for dinner. It was her gift. 149 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Just before seven o'clock that evening, she took them and 150 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: walked next door to her parents. Even though it was June, 151 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: white Christmas icicle lights still hung on the gutters of 152 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: her parents' home. Inside, the walls were adorned with crucifixes 153 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: and some of Lloyd's handmade tiles. 154 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 6: Cherie said she walks in and realizes something's very wrong. 155 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 6: She found her mother in bed. Her mother's head was 156 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 6: pretty damaged, thought someone maybe had shot her. She then 157 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 6: went into the kitchen area and found what she thought 158 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 6: was her father on the kitchen floor. He was just 159 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 6: so impacted by what was used against them. There's these 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 6: two bodies, there's blood everywhere. She goes screaming out of 161 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 6: the house and for her husband. Again, they lived on 162 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 6: the property, so it was pretty close. 163 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: Sarie's husband, Jesse, ran right over to investigate. 164 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 6: Her husband then comes in the house and he realizes 165 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 6: it's not her father on the kitchen floor, it's actually 166 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 6: her brother, and that's when he starts searching around and 167 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 6: finds her father outside right outside the back door, kind 168 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 6: of in the field there. 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Lloyd's Bonnie was found on a cinderblock path that connected 170 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: the Ortis back porch to their fence in York. He 171 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: was face down, wearing only his underwear. His eyeglasses sat 172 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: just inches away. Covering his head was some green shrubbery. 173 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: By now. 174 00:09:51,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 7: Shari was on the phone then onwards, Oh. 175 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: What Cheri frantically told the nine on one operator that 176 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: her mother, father, and brother were shot to death. 177 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 8: I just everybody shot. My god, and my mom's still. 178 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: This was Scherie's second attempt at a nine on one call, 179 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: since Uri and her parents' homes were out in the 180 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: middle of the desert. Her soele reception was body. Imagine 181 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: the panic, the fear that your call would drop again 182 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: when you're trying to get emergency help for your family. 183 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: And she didn't know where the perpetrator was or if 184 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: they were still on the property. 185 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 8: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I 186 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 8: am freaking out. I can't even walk over there because 187 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 8: I don't service. 188 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: And then there's another problem. Al Rancho is way off 189 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: the beaten path, which delays the response time forlaw enforcement. 190 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 8: Oh my god, you have to hurry. 191 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: With no local police force of their own, the New 192 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: Mexico State Police were dispatched to investigate. 193 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 8: The already dead. I can't believe I didn't come checker 194 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 8: here this morning. Oh my god, Oh my god, oh 195 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 8: my god. Why you know, because I didn't have money 196 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 8: for a father's sacred but I didn't want to go 197 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 8: into I finished for him. Oh my god. 198 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: Charise stayed on the phone for nearly twenty minutes before officers. 199 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 8: Arrived, so I kind of get I'm going to walk 200 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 8: to the gate and way to them. I'm my two 201 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 8: nervous just sitting in my yard. 202 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: My name is Paul Chavis. 203 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: I was a member of the full Time Crimes Unit 204 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: as an agent with the New Mexico State Police. 205 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: The two hundred homicide cases Officer Chavez worked in his 206 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: career didn't prepare him for what he saw inside the 207 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Ortisa house. 208 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: In this case, the magnitude of the violence evolved was 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: the worst that I had seen in my career. 210 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: The brutality was unspeakable. 211 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: Chariotise had found her parents and her adopted stepbrother. 212 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 4: Dead within the residence. 213 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: She reported that they had been shot in the head, 214 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: and it occurred sometime earlier in the day. 215 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: It turns out that although chari said she didn't see 216 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: who committed these murders, she did hear something that there was. 217 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: Reportedly gunshots heard the previous night in the area. 218 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Now, hearing gunshots isn't entirely unusual in New Mexico, but 219 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Cheri and her parents' homes sit on a dead end 220 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: street in the rural New Mexico Desert. It's a remote 221 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: area with unpaved roads and no nearby street lights. Their 222 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: nearest neighbor is about fifty yards up the road. Inside 223 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: the Orties' home, Officer Chavez and his team assess the situation. 224 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: Once I enter into the residence. 225 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: There is a master bedroom immediately to the left as 226 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 3: you walk in, and that is where the first victim, 227 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: identified is Dixie. Your teas is in her bed and 228 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: her nightgown under the blankets. 229 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Dixie was found clutching her pillow. 230 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: Her upper extremities and her head is completely saturated in 231 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: blood where she had sustained a parent trauma. From that bedroom, 232 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: there is a drip trail which extends to the kitchen 233 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: area where we have a second victim, a young man 234 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: identified as Stephen Ortiz. 235 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: Stephen, her adopted brother, lay face down in a pool 236 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: of blood, wearing only his underwear. Police noted that he 237 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: took the brunt of the attack. 238 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: This scene was absolutely brutal. 239 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: Stephen was twenty one years old at the time of 240 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: his murder, and based on his injuries, police believed that 241 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: he tried to fight off the killer before ultimately losing 242 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: that battle. 243 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 3: The blood continued from that area out the back door, 244 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: where the third victim, Loitertise, was found outside the back porch. 245 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: There was a significant amount of bloodshed, indicating that he 246 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: did sustained some massive trauma. And there was also shrubbery 247 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: from a nearby bush that was covering his head. 248 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: That's two bloodied bodies inside the home and one outside. 249 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: And then something else stood out to law enforcement. 250 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: There was a small marijuana grow on the property. It 251 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: was fenced off and pad locked. They did have a 252 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: medical marijuana card for Stephen for some of the medical 253 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: conditions he. 254 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Had, but none of the seventeen marijuana plants appeared to 255 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: be disturbed. In fact, nothing seemed to be stolen or 256 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: even out of place. On the kitchen table and plain 257 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: view sat Lloyd's wallet containing hundreds of dollars. 258 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: This did not look like a robbery. 259 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: It looked like a case of anger, a lot of 260 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: anger based on the brutality that occurred. 261 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: It was a father's stay too for get for residents 262 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: in this tiny suburb of Santa Fe, New Mexico. Lloyd 263 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: and Dixie Ortiz were pillars of the tight knit l 264 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: rancho community. They were quick to lend a helping hand 265 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: to others in need. So who was angry enough to 266 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: harm them and why Shuri Orties lived in an RV 267 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: right next door to her parents house on the same property. 268 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Both home sat on a sprawling lot surrounded by hills 269 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: in the dusty l Rancho, New Mexico Desert. On the 270 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: evening of Father's Day twenty eleven, Shuri walked into her 271 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: parents house and found her mother, father, and brother savagely murdered. 272 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Like many others in the community, Pastor John Trujillo was 273 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: in shock. 274 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 5: I get a phone call. They call me PJ. Pastor 275 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 5: John says, PJ. They found Stephen, Lloyd and Dixie dead. 276 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: And I said, what are you talking about? Was a 277 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 5: car accident? What happened? He says, no, they're it seems 278 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 5: like they were murdered in their home. You need to 279 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 5: get down here right away. And as I drive up, 280 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 5: the community is already showing up. The state police are there. 281 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 5: And about that time, Shari made her way out and 282 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 5: she was just in tears, in tears and tears, and 283 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 5: she's Pastor John, my family's dead, my family's dead. Somebody 284 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 5: murdered my family, somebody killed my family. How do you 285 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 5: handle that? What do you do? I mean, can you 286 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 5: imagine the emotional and physical and just spiritual distraught that 287 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: you would face. Nobody can't prepare for that. I don't care. 288 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 5: Nobody's prepared to walk into a scene like that, especially 289 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 5: the daughter. The family was grieving and they were mourning. 290 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 5: It's all Rancho. This isn't supposed to happen in a 291 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 5: community like this. People are speculating that could this happened 292 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 5: from the community. Did somebody come here from somewhere else? 293 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 5: Was it a family member, was it a friend? Was 294 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 5: it a robbery that went wrong? You know why? Why? 295 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 5: It was like, okay, we need some answers. 296 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Since al Rancho didn't have a police force of their own, 297 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: the New Mexico State Police handled the investigation by mourning. 298 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: The police still didn't know much. 299 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: We're still insure as to what happened out there. The 300 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: guys are still working. Its working very. 301 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: Hard to determine what exactly happened, but at this point 302 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: we still don't know. 303 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: Well, how in the world could something like this happened? 304 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 5: You know, one person dead, okay, but when there's three, 305 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: it raises a lot a lot of questions. 306 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Police believe that three victims were shot to death inside 307 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: their home, but nothing appeared to be missing. Investigators wondered, 308 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: if it was a murder, you were a murder. Suicide. 309 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: Officer Paul Chavez was one of the first responders. 310 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: My role primarily is to process and document the crime 311 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: scene to try and make sense of what occurred there. 312 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: But the severity of the crime scene limited what he 313 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: was able to do. 314 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: You can't disturb the body mutch, and with the amount 315 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: of bloodshed that was present, we weren't able to assess 316 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: the wounds as well as we would like to have 317 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: been able to. 318 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: So Originally the police believed all three victims were shot 319 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: to death, but the results of the autopsies for each 320 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: victim revealed something far more personal. 321 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: That these were, in fact not gunshot wounds. There were 322 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 3: actually lacerations that were penetrating with a blood object. 323 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Clearly something was missing. When the police returned to the 324 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: scene of the crime, they found a five pound pick 325 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: axe lying on the ground just over the fence of 326 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: the adjacent property, and the pick axe contained bloodstains. 327 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: What the pick axe did provide us was DNA from 328 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: all three victims, so we unequivocally had our murder weapon. 329 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 4: However, we were unable to forensically link a suspect to 330 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 4: the pickaxe. 331 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? A murder weapon with DNA 332 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: of the victims but nothing to indicate a suspect. 333 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 3: It could mean a number of things that maybe they 334 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: were wearing gloves, or they covered their handiness some way 335 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: or shape or form, and just sometimes the lab just 336 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: can't find it. It's not one hundred percent certainty that 337 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: they're going to be able to find DNA when something 338 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: is touched. There's a chance that we will, but it 339 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: doesn't always work out that way. 340 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 6: So the one thing about the Ortz murder was really 341 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 6: the pressure on the police. 342 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: Reporter Alex Tomlin covered the story for a local TV station. 343 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 6: There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small 344 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 6: knit community, but also the surrounding communities, and so there 345 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 6: was a lot of pressure on them to get who 346 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 6: did it, make it a clean investigation, and let's get 347 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 6: this person behind bars. And I'm sure at times that 348 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 6: pressure was overwhelming. 349 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: The people of l Rancho couldn't shake the fear that 350 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: they could be next. 351 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 6: Nobody wants to think that they're going to go to 352 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 6: sleep and somebody who's pick axed a couple and their 353 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 6: son to death is going to come into their home next. 354 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: They even refuse to talk to TV reporters, not because 355 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: they felt pastored, but they were fearful of their own safety. 356 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 6: And that's the other terrifying thing. Think about the strength 357 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 6: it takes to push that pick axe back multiple times 358 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 6: and pick act someone to death. That is cold blooded, 359 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 6: that is calculated. That is incredibly scary for a community 360 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 6: because that person is dangerous. You know, when you can't 361 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 6: easily tie up a case like this, when you can't say, oh, it's, 362 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 6: you know, a scorned lover, or it's, you know, a 363 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 6: drug deal gone wrong, or different things like that, then 364 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 6: it becomes a well, in my next you want to 365 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 6: find who did this because you don't want the community 366 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 6: looking at you and saying, what are you doing? Why 367 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 6: aren't you protecting us? Why don't you have the answers? 368 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: With no suspects a weapon and murder seeing free of 369 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: any DNA, investigators started to look at the person who 370 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: first discovered the bodies. That person was Shuri or Tease. 371 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 6: When something this horrific happens, the community wants answers and 372 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 6: they want them quickly, right, So you want to be 373 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 6: able to tie a nice bow on this thing and 374 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 6: be done with it and Sharien her husband seemed like 375 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 6: that nice bow. They lived on the property. You could 376 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 6: come up with a motive. 377 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: The police wondered if Shari and her husband, Jesse knew 378 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: more than they were saying, especially after they listened back 379 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: to Shari's original LIMO one call. 380 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 6: She's very frantic in that nine one one call. As 381 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 6: you can hear. She made some comments on that nine 382 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 6: one one call about you know, they must have been 383 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 6: shot because of how they looked. 384 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: I just talked. 385 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 8: Shot. 386 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 6: It wasn't later until the Office of the Medical Investigator 387 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 6: determined that actually they had been pick axed to death. 388 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 5: And you have no idea who would have done that, 389 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 5: anybody around them. 390 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 8: Oh my god, they were such good people. Oh my god, 391 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 8: my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, 392 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 8: oh my god. We have to get hurry. 393 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: Desperate and upset. Schari spent seventeen minutes on that nine 394 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: on one call, but as investigators listened back, they zeroed 395 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: in on a comment Chari said, now listen closely to 396 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: what CHERI told the operator. So Chari said her parents 397 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: had been dead since that morning. How did she know 398 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that and why didn't she call nine one one till 399 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: seven that evening. 400 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 8: I can't believe I didn't come check earlier this morning. 401 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 8: Oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god. Why 402 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 8: you know, because I didn't have money for a father's sake, 403 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 8: I didn't want to go into I finished and up 404 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 8: for him. 405 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 6: They one hundred percent thought she was a main suspect. 406 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 8: I can't believe this is happening. 407 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: When Lloyd Dixie and Stephen Ortiz were brutally murdered in 408 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: their l Rancho home, their daughter Sharie and her husband 409 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: Jesse appeared to investigators to be the only people with 410 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: motive and the access to execute such a violent crime. 411 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: For months, Shari and Jesse felt the stairs and heard 412 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: the whispers. Their pastor, John Truhillo, tried to be the 413 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: voice of reason. 414 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 5: I think when you have to go through that like 415 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 5: Jesse and Sharie did, I think it was just a 416 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 5: reassurance that said, listen, you know you need to do this, 417 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 5: You need to go through this. Just cooperate with the 418 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 5: state police investigators, whatever you need to do, because it's 419 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 5: just a process of elimination. They're looking for answers just 420 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 5: as much as everybody else's, and they need a starting 421 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 5: point somewhere, just go through the process, answer the questions, 422 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 5: be honest, be truthful, and let them eliminate you, and 423 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 5: then they can move forward from there. 424 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 3: So there were a number of red flags that required 425 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: us to investigate Sherry and just to the fullest. 426 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: State Police Agent Paul Chavez told the difficult line of 427 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: questioning a mourning Shari. 428 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: Could family gain from the death of the victim? Sure, 429 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: they kind of there is insurance insurance policies in place, 430 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 3: or is there property a place? Is there something to 431 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: be gained? That's definitely something that was going to be 432 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: looked at. 433 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: Investigators asked about Shari's credit card debt and the fact 434 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: that she didn't pay her car loans or even the 435 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: rent on her RV, and then there was this. Suri 436 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: also told the investigators that she had removed eighty thousand 437 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: dollars in cash from her parents' home, but she didn't 438 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: tell this to police until three days after the murders. 439 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: Jesse and Sherrie involvement couldn't be ruled out. 440 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: Jesse and Suri told detectives that they were at a 441 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: local casino on the night of the murders. 442 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 3: But thought there was some conflicting statements between Shari and Jesse. 443 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: The triple murder that rocked the close knit village of 444 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: El Rancho turned friends into enemies, families into suspects. 445 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 6: At the time, there was a lot of speculation about 446 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 6: her and her husband and whether or not they had 447 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 6: been involved in this crime. 448 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Alex Tomlin worked as a reporter for a local TV station. 449 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 6: The case was a little bit cold at this time, 450 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 6: and we got a call saying, she's willing to talk 451 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 6: to you. 452 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: Shari was on the defensive and wanting to publicly clear 453 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: her name, so she scheduled an interview with Alex. 454 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 6: Cheri offered to show me the home where her parents 455 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 6: had lived and had been murdered. 456 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Alex met Shari at her home and interviewed her just 457 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: steps away from where Lloyd, Dixie and Stephen were murdered. 458 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 6: I remember distinctly being in the kitchen and we were 459 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 6: talking about her brother, Stephen, and you know, when the 460 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 6: autopsy came out, he had held about a dozen or 461 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 6: so blows. I think about maybe seventeen blows. And I 462 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 6: remember her talking to me about how he was such 463 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 6: a big guy, that he was kind of a teddy bear, 464 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 6: but he was such a big guy, and it's such 465 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 6: a weird sensation. We were standing in someone's kitchen and 466 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 6: you're seeing marks on the floor and you know their 467 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 6: body had been there. And you know, she cried a 468 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 6: lot during that interview, understandably, but really thinking about this 469 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: young man coming out who didn't really have the cognitive 470 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 6: ability to understand what was happening, you know, very much 471 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 6: still a child kind of in a man's body, and 472 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 6: to have that many blows to him. My only thought 473 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 6: in that moment was he must have been trying to 474 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 6: protect his parents. He must have been really scared, he 475 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 6: must have really fought back, and that was just so sad. 476 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 6: It was so sad to think about those final moments 477 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 6: and what that must have been like for him, either 478 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 6: knowing that he was dying or knowing that something had 479 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 6: happened to his parents. It was just really traumatic standing 480 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 6: there and knowing this is where he died, and he 481 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 6: died in such a violent way. 482 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: With the cameras rolling. Alex asked Shari about the investigation. 483 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: I believe they're going through it with tunnel vision, just 484 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: specifically focusing on us in instead of the real people. 485 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 5: Or I know it had to be people. How could 486 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 5: one person do. 487 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 6: That, So it left this very weird sensation in the 488 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 6: community where some people were still speculating other people really 489 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 6: believed them. Why would they do this? 490 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: Shari said her parents had life insurance, but she could 491 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: not collect that money since she and her husband were 492 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: considered suspects and without that money, Shuri said they couldn't 493 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: pay their bills and worried their homes would be foreclosed. 494 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 6: So it was really this sense from her of trying 495 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 6: to advocate for herself but advocate for her parents and 496 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 6: her brother to say, I need to know who killed them, 497 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 6: and at the same time, I need people to know 498 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 6: it wasn't me. And so that was really what this 499 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 6: conversation centered around. 500 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: We could lose everything my dad worked so hard for. 501 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 6: I actually saw like marks on the floor in different 502 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 6: things like that where this had happened. It was a 503 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 6: really horrific experience. 504 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 5: Something has to give. I really do have hope. I 505 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 5: know this is going to get solved. 506 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: With tears in her eyes, tre then looked into the 507 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: camera to try to clear her name and her husband 508 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Jesse's as well. 509 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 6: We had nothing to do with it. My God, that 510 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 6: was my mom, and my added. 511 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 4: My little brother. 512 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: It was no secret that the two were being looked 513 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: at in the triple murder, but were they that desperate 514 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: for money that they would murder their own family. Paul 515 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: Shabaz investigated, if you. 516 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: Don't investigate Justsin and Shirby to the fullest, you make 517 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: a very easy argument for a deference attorney to create 518 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 3: dowder in jury's mind. 519 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: And that's exactly what. 520 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: Have happened if we had not followed up on all 521 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: of the red flags that came up during the course 522 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: of the investigation. 523 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: But as the investigation dragged on, Shari shifted the blame 524 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: back on the state police. She claimed that they botched 525 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: the investigation and said casino security guards or even children 526 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: could have done a better job. Against the advice of 527 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: law enforcement, Shari even set up a po box where 528 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: people could anonymously submit information about who might be responsible. 529 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: A year after the murders, the police promised a press 530 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: conference to share some breaking news on the case, but 531 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: that press conference never happened. 532 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: There was a lot of leads that came in that 533 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 3: were followed up on, but none of them pouned out. 534 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: A billboard even went up along a local highway with 535 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: a picture of Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen then offered a 536 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars reward for information, but still there were 537 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: no arrests. 538 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: That was the hardest part of this case for me 539 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: was knowing that we have not been able to bring 540 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: justice for this family. 541 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just Shari who was pressuring the New 542 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: Mexico State Police. Here's TV reporter Alex Tomlin. 543 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 6: There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small 544 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 6: knit community, but also the surrounding communities and pretty much 545 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 6: all of the state saying you've got to find who 546 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 6: did this. You could not take a family who more 547 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 6: people said nice things about and have a more awful 548 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 6: thing happen to them. I mean, they are bludgeoned to 549 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 6: death with a pickaxe. 550 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: Publicly, the police didn't reveal much about other potential suspects, 551 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: but behind the scenes it was a different story. Aside 552 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: from Shari and her husband Jesse, investigators interviewed numerous people. Then, 553 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: sixteen months after the murders, a local twenty three year 554 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: old woman named Ashley Roybald got arrested. While she's in custoge, 555 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: she tells the police something astonishing. 556 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 5: Is it okay to call you Ashley. All right, I 557 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 5: understand that you know some details. 558 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 3: I who did? 559 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Ashley tells detectives that she knows who killed Lloyd Dixie 560 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: and Stephen Ortiz. 561 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 6: It isn't until Ashley Roibald gets in trouble that all 562 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 6: of a sudden she's willing to tell police what happened. 563 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 5: I'll just let you go ahead and tell me the story. 564 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 6: It was almost like the answer everyone had been waiting for. 565 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 7: It. 566 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Ashley Roibald kept quiet for sixteen months. During that time, 567 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: she re juggled losing her mom, dad, and brother well 568 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: being looked at by everyone as a suspect, all while 569 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: she couldn't collect their life insurance money and was scared 570 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: she'd lose everything. But now, sixteen months later, Ashley was 571 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: finally ready to talk. 572 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: Well, this was the turning point in the investigation. 573 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: But would anyone believe Ashley? 574 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 6: There's things that kind of don't match up their shifting stories. 575 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 5: We just want the truth. 576 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: Any of the wheels of justice move very slowly, and 577 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: in this case that would prove to be an understatement. 578 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 6: And I remember thinking, oh God, here we go again. 579 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 6: This poor family has been through the ring error. 580 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 5: I would have never suspected that it was going to 581 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 5: come down to this. 582 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: Find out what Ashley says really happened that night, Part 583 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: two of the Father's Day Murders. 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