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Speaker 2: Okay, sure, here's your deal. He's a true icon in

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Speaker 3: To Grace's plummet, there got hey a bad with a

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Speaker 1: Very white and be got say hey, let you with baby.

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Speaker 1: God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for a cameo.

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Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is, you are about to embark

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Speaker 1: on a transcendent experience that can only be described as

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Speaker 1: psychological nudity.

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Speaker 3: This is and this is stupotoy.

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Speaker 1: Here we go jump.

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Speaker 4: Holy hello, friends, welcome to this episode of Stupotity. It's

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Speaker 4: a weird one because Steve Gott's is not on it

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it doesn't at all.

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Speaker 4: He's not on it at all. No, huh, Well, because

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Speaker 4: he was supposed to be on it, but then he

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Speaker 4: was not on it.

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Speaker 2: We had the gum thing right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he yes. So Stecott's agreed to do this interview

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Speaker 4: with us, and we were going to do this interview

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Speaker 4: about sneakers. So I said, you know what, let's bring

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Speaker 4: on Tony. Tony really like sneakers like this will be

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Speaker 4: like he'll, you know, help us with this interview, where

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Speaker 4: Stevett said, okay, we'll do a buddy and then the

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Speaker 4: day of the interview, He's like, I got a gum thing.

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Speaker 4: I can't do it, and I'm going gum, well, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was like, well, but like this is interviews in

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Speaker 4: like forty five minutes, like yeah, I can't do it,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, I'm not going to cancel it

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Speaker 4: at this point. So then me and Tony just went

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Speaker 4: ahead and did it on our own. And then we said,

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Speaker 4: you know what, let's let's do an intro for it,

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Speaker 4: and Stecott's also left for that. So here we are

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Speaker 4: doing this stupotity.

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Speaker 2: I think this was my first time on stupotty?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've said that a couple of times

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Speaker 2: and I just continue to say that it's my first time.

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Speaker 4: How does it feel, Suepotty?

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Speaker 2: Feels good? Like I remember, you know once was just

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Speaker 2: a little tiny little seed growing when you know, it

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Speaker 2: was Stu and Dan Stanzick and and then you came along.

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Speaker 2: I was sure in the new world of stupidity.

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Speaker 4: I'm really just babysitting the World of Stupidity if we're

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Speaker 4: gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: But no, it feels like you're more than a babysitter

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Speaker 2: because like you're like, you're like the adult now the supervisor.

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Speaker 4: Well that's kind of yes, but it's you want to

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Speaker 4: be honest with you, Stu Gotts, missus Dan Stanzick, Wow,

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Speaker 4: And it's it's something that I've picked up on a

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Speaker 4: lot because he mentions him a lot, and he was happier, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was happier doing Stupidity back then, and he was

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Speaker 4: happier doing weekend observations the Weekend show, like with that crew,

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Speaker 4: and he mentions them a lot, and it's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm here, I'm trying to get these things

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Speaker 4: done for you. But he just always talks about that.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, you used to do bits.

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Speaker 4: And we used to do this, and we used to

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Speaker 4: do that. And it's like yeah, but like you booked

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Speaker 4: a Georgia tech head coach on a Tuesday, and then

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Speaker 4: you book Breeze Hall on a Thursday, and you book

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Speaker 4: my Goal like on a Wednesday, and it's like, we

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Speaker 4: literally don't have time to do all of these things

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Speaker 4: that you want to do. It's just an impossible and

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Speaker 4: I have children that I need to tend to naturally.

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Speaker 4: That's really if we're gonna just talk.

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Speaker 2: Amongst us, it's really.

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Speaker 4: What I've noticed is that when his children left, he

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Speaker 4: his free time with with you me.

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Speaker 3: You know what's hurting it too? Oh hey, what's up?

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Speaker 3: The golf course under construction.

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Speaker 4: That's killing.

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Speaker 3: That's a killing because he would be out there playing.

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Speaker 3: But since the golf course under construction.

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Speaker 2: What's what's the eta for that to be finished?

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Speaker 3: It's a long time.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while that his golf course has been

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Speaker 3: I think raheem Mos starts at like ten months almost, yeah, like.

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Speaker 4: Almost a year. I think that. I think that they

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Speaker 4: for you, right, yeah, because I just try to get

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Speaker 2: Anyway, It's tough, is it's tough when you are used

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Speaker 2: to one thing as far as like you billy, where

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Speaker 2: from Stu Gotts because of he's got to go lacrosse practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: take the girls wherever. And then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: that changes, and then everything in Stu Gotts's life changes.

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Speaker 2: But then also everything in your life kind of changed too.

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Speaker 4: But in the opposite direction. Right, I have more responsibilities

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Speaker 4: than I did when we were starting, Right, I need

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Speaker 4: to tend to those, and his responsibilities have gone the

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Speaker 4: opposite direction. Anyways, we're here to talk about sneakers today,

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Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah, and you know I feel it though

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Speaker 4: he misses. You mentioned Dan stanziy he this is I

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Speaker 4: think in an ideal world, he'd have Dan Stanzick around,

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Speaker 4: he'd have Mikey C back. Mikey C is always trying

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Speaker 4: think that's allowed, which is weird because everyone else is

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Speaker 4: allowed on and I'm starting I'm trying to now wonder

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Speaker 4: if like that was the one thing, and like the

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Speaker 4: divorce from me, ESPN was like you can have whatever

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Speaker 4: you want, just give it some time. But no Mikey

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Speaker 2: Stu pot of the listeners, remember Mikey C.

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Speaker 5: Fondly.

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Speaker 4: Mikey C is the best. Yeah, Mikel text he will

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Speaker 4: this will get back to him. Yeah, because that's how

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Speaker 4: that works. And then Mike he'll like he'll re enter

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Speaker 4: our world. Was he your guy for really?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because funny enough, when when I lived and worked in

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Speaker 4: Mikey isn't like being called Mikey A. But so we

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Speaker 2: Now am we have Mikey A and Mikey C at

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Speaker 4: That's why he became Mikey A's the guys just named

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Speaker 4: then when we do like gobless football, there's Mike Golick.

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Speaker 4: So if you just say Mike, then there's confusions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's like when somebody says Mike here, you know, Mike

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Speaker 2: Ryan turns around, Mike Fuent just turns around. Gino turns

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when we say, Chris, there used to be

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Speaker 2: It's like ten of them now. Yeah, there's a bunch

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Speaker 2: of crystals, is it?

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Speaker 4: What do you back today? Wednesday? Yeah, I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: I mean neither.

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Speaker 4: He just won't go away.

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Speaker 3: He's got Apple money. Now you can do what ever

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Speaker 4: But why is this what he wants to do? I

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Speaker 3: Question.

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Speaker 4: You can do whatever he wants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just presenting facts.

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Speaker 4: Coming on here to talk about soccer.

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Speaker 2: The fuckers said, we know that.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's a mandatory.

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Speaker 2: You know what's not dead though, sneakers. That's true. Sneakers

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Speaker 2: are always alive. No, don't don't give me that. Don't

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Speaker 3: The resale market is definitely down.

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Speaker 2: Really that's good.

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Speaker 3: If you want to buy stuff that you're.

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Speaker 4: What are you doing? You like, then hoard the sneakers

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Speaker 4: and then try to take It's just you can get

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Speaker 2: So here's here's the thing, Billy and something that hopefully

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Speaker 2: we can get into with Russ Bankston. Always tough name

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Speaker 3: S O n it's that Bankston.

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Speaker 2: So with Russ Bankston, damn us.

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Speaker 3: I don't think his name, let's just call him. You

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Speaker 3: missed an s in the middle right here Banks bank

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Banks like the triple the triple consonant kind of messages.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like winning its day.

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Speaker 2: Russ Bankston February February anyways, Uh, the resale market really

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Speaker 2: went crazy, not only because of the pandemic too, but

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Speaker 2: because of You're gonna laugh, but the Last Dance took

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Speaker 2: Jordan's from one place in the sneaker situation to a

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Speaker 2: that started watching what was it called The Last Dance

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Speaker 2: Dance started buying sneakers at a completely disproportionate rate to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That that so the Jordan has always been the

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Speaker 3: top tier thing, yes, right, that everybody wanted. But then,

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Speaker 3: like you said, he had its time in the sun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it just clipped it for a little bit

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Speaker 3: I think it just put any think it just kind

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Speaker 3: And then it kind of put that, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: I got in twenty I want to say it was

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, Mike, I got Royal Blue ones for one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven dollars on stock X. Those same

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Speaker 2: shoes today are like a five hundred dollars shoe. Why

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Speaker 2: what changed last Dance Shadow ones that I've been looking

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Speaker 2: for forever at the I think they released in twenty eighteen. Dude,

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Speaker 2: they sat on stock X forever, they sat in stores,

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Speaker 2: they sat everywhere forever, and now six hundred dollars shoes.

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Speaker 2: The same with the.

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Speaker 3: Mochas, Like Mochas were always expensive, but yes.

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Speaker 2: But inexplicably expensive on the resale market just because they

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Speaker 2: looked like Travis Scott's not. The point point is Billy

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Speaker 2: sneakers are alive and well, me and you. When Mike

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Speaker 2: Finda says they're not, well, No, the resale market.

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Speaker 3: Resale markets down in twenty nineteen, I made a lot

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Speaker 3: of money Rectarch.

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Speaker 4: Thank you use a question about sneakers, Yes, I don't understand. So, like,

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Speaker 4: if everybody buys Jordan's and we have days in here

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Speaker 4: where four people wearing the exact same pair of Jordans,

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Speaker 4: why do you want to wear the same exact shoes

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Speaker 4: for three other people are wearing the same.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this is something I've always thought about. People rush

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Speaker 3: to all look the same, and I don't understand why

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Speaker 4: Like if more, it's not a commodity if anyone can

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Speaker 3: But you can't say but not everybody can get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Panda Dunks have like a huge like

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Speaker 2: You're getting if you're walking in with the Sean Wallerspoon

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Speaker 4: A hundred dollars sneakers.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people people skate in them. I went.

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Speaker 2: I went to a god Soul one time where a

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Speaker 2: don't they don't have a soul? Like the soul was

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Speaker 2: like a bald tire. How do you like those? Billy?

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Speaker 2: You'd like those you wear?

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Speaker 4: Mike Gola Junior has those?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he does. He does.

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Speaker 4: See those before.

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Speaker 2: I want to say that Michael eight hundred dollars lost

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Speaker 3: I don't know got them back.

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Speaker 2: Somehow he lost them. Yeah, he lost them like under

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Speaker 2: We might have to have gojo Wan to talk about

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Speaker 4: Weird.

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Speaker 2: I remember him tweeting that that he lost them.

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Speaker 5: For a while.

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Speaker 3: So the Sean wotherspoon Ara Max is currently on goat.

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Speaker 3: They're going for eighteen hundred dollars.

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Speaker 4: Well, now, would you want to buy someone's dirty old

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Speaker 4: stinks are dead?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: But the one that your skateboarder.

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Speaker 2: For no, No. I told I was like, I'm not buying these.

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Speaker 2: It was embarrassing, But I'll we'll teach you a couple

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Speaker 4: Why can't you just buy like a pair of Felas

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Speaker 4: or something? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I think the silence says it all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those shoes, those shoes, Billy for eighteen hundred bucks

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Speaker 2: puts you in a level of sneaker.

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Speaker 4: It puts you in debt. Is that it puts you in?

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Speaker 2: Well that's another story.

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Speaker 3: There's only there's only two pairs available on stock x

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Speaker 3: other one is thirty seven hundred. The retail of the

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Speaker 2: I remember the day they dropped and I was so

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Speaker 2: don't get the automatic didn't get them where it's kind

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Speaker 2: of still pending and pending. Dude, it was sending me

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Speaker 2: I think I got these, and then I got that

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Speaker 2: didn't get them, Billy. We're gonna teach a little something though.

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Speaker 2: The shoes that you see on goat stock X any

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Speaker 2: of these things. When you see dead stock, that means

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Speaker 2: they're unworn. They're completely brand new. Yeah, they're also icy.

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Speaker 3: Icy. Yeah, icy means brand new.

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Speaker 2: And crand new.

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Speaker 4: Got it? And do you wear these shoes when you

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Speaker 4: buy them?

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope to one day that I can buy

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Speaker 2: a pair.

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Speaker 4: Of those shoes and would you wear them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd wear them. I wear all my shoes. There's

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Speaker 2: not one pair of shoes that I don't. You sell

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Speaker 2: your used shoes, No, I keep my used shoes.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to spoil anything, but you

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Speaker 4: in this interview said that you sold multiple pairs of shoes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shoes, but they're not worn. No, they're not worn. God,

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Speaker 2: I only sell dead stock shoes. I don't sell us shoes.

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Speaker 2: Mike has done trades.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you trade. I traded like three pairs of Jordan

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Speaker 3: Wand's plus a little bit of cash on top for

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Speaker 3: some off white Jordan fours, A.

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Speaker 2: Great pair by the way, sale beautiful sale.

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Speaker 3: Which is right now when all this is wrong. So

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Speaker 3: if I wanted to buy a pair right now on

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Speaker 3: stock X, they would cost me eighteen hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: New those shoes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I ended up I think like the I

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Speaker 3: got them brand new all said, and you know, done

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Speaker 3: with the new pairs of everything for about twelve hundred.

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Speaker 3: But there were pairs of shoes. I had one before

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Speaker 3: and I probably wasn't gonna wear it again.

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Speaker 4: So where do you wear those shoes?

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Speaker 2: To he w to the Marlins game?

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Speaker 3: I think I also I went into the Marlins game.

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Speaker 3: I also I wore them the first day in this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's a big day, because it was like

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Speaker 4: your best shoes, like special event, like to break those out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely my most expensive. Really, Yeah, I wore them

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Speaker 3: because Taylor was doing that like walk in video. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thing sound like, oh whatever, will show out?

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Speaker 6: Trying to think of what shoes I wore that day,

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Speaker 6: I remember, Billy, you know what what this, this interview

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Speaker 6: and this stupidity has opened my heart in a way

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Speaker 6: that I want to.

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Speaker 4: Share with you, don't share with me. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: I want. I want you know what we're going to do,

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Speaker 2: Mike frontas.

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Speaker 4: To take up time of mine?

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Speaker 2: I don't want it does take up time.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that interested.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know what you're talking.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, but no, thank you. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take sneaker shop now I'm paying. We'll

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Speaker 2: work something out.

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Speaker 4: I'm not paying for No, I'm not going to have

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Speaker 4: you paid.

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Speaker 2: It will work something out where you can get your

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Speaker 2: first pair of Jordan's Jordan's before.

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Speaker 4: No, how about that? Actually, you know what, I don't

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Speaker 4: think that's true. I think that when I was like

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Speaker 4: I had the Jordan shoes I was gonna I don't

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Speaker 4: know what they are, what colors? It was the one

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Speaker 4: that was like two colors. There was like white and

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Speaker 4: black on the other side. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Do you know which one I'm talking about?

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Speaker 3: Oh twelves?

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Speaker 2: Did you have twelves?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what year was twelve Taxi twelves?

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Speaker 4: What year was that?

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Speaker 2: That would have been ninety seven. That's the game where

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Speaker 2: they red and black or white and black.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had those.

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Speaker 3: Tax I have.

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Speaker 2: A pair of Taxi twelves icy by the way, from

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Speaker 2: twenty and twelve twelve.

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Speaker 4: No, I had him in ninety seven. I got them

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Speaker 4: at the Nike outlet.

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Speaker 3: And you probably got them from cheap because nobody care

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I got them for it was ninety eight, dude.

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Speaker 4: I probably got those at the Nike Yella for like

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Speaker 4: fifty dollars or something. You're not gonna buy me hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course shoes.

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Speaker 3: You never just for feet.

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Speaker 2: It's brands. Weren't with the thirteenth pairs free No, I

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Speaker 2: don't used to be able to play inside the hoo.

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Speaker 2: They had a hoop and like testing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those so those good shoes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had those novels.

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Speaker 3: They're a desirable pair.

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Speaker 4: So I retired after those.

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Speaker 2: It's one and done. Yeah, you're like a one and done.

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Speaker 4: Wear this like elementary school, a pe class or whatever.

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Speaker 3: If you were to buy a brand new pair right now,

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Speaker 3: they'd cost you three hundred eighty bucks.

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Speaker 4: Wow. What about like size six boys, because that's what

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Speaker 4: I probably was at the time. They still thought that.

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Speaker 3: No, the smallest pair on stock X is an eight,

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Speaker 3: which is five hundred thirteen Wow.

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Speaker 4: So you see if I would have kept then they

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Speaker 4: probably would have been worth even more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would have been ogs too.

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Speaker 3: I would have loved you explaining to your parents, how mom, dad,

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Speaker 3: I can't wear this because in twelve years maybe I

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Speaker 3: can sellon well five hundred, no, twenty. What size were

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Speaker 3: you back then? Like like I said, a six, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. We can get you a size seven for

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Speaker 3: four to fifty seven right now?

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Speaker 2: Wow, Billy, No, what we're gonna do is I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: take you. We're personally gonna go sneakers shopping you and

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Speaker 2: I I'm gonna teach you about sneakers and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go yesw No, We're gonna go down to

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Speaker 2: place place Daily are boys of Daily? Where's that right

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Speaker 2: down the street. It'll take you. It's it's right at

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Speaker 2: the edge of Winwood. It's two seconds. No, it's twenty

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Speaker 2: blocks from here, super close me. And you're gonna go.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna teach you about sneakers.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to learn.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure that you walk out

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Speaker 2: yea with a beautiful pair of shoes.

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Speaker 4: Remember the gold on the back, like at them. That's

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Speaker 4: not it, that's a different color. What are we doing, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna take you sneaker shopping.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to can we wait? Hold on a second? Wait,

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Speaker 4: whoa hold on? I did have an idea. Are we

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Speaker 4: doing this like for the show? Like content?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Expensed? Okay, that's what I was trying to tell you

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Speaker 2: that we'll take care of it.

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Speaker 4: So do we talk to about that?

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to my guy. No, we'll talk to my

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Speaker 2: guy John Jonathan. We're good.

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Speaker 4: No, but like for the like the payment, John read,

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Speaker 4: don't spense, don't worry about the Jenny.

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Speaker 6: We could we can ask I don't know whos.

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Speaker 2: Are just saying no, why don't you go? He doesn't

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Speaker 2: like be on camera?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then and then you got to play like intermediary

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Speaker 3: because the guy is trying to sell you the shoes.

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Speaker 3: Won't to hear him talking. He'll whisper everything. Yeah, the guy.

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Speaker 4: Trying to sell him the shoes his pleasure telling taking

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Speaker 4: me to.

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Speaker 2: Is in a store.

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Speaker 4: They don't just have a price, and that is what

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Speaker 4: you pay the salesman who comes and helps you.

447
00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh and then and then kus has his questions.

448
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah I talk like this, Yeah, I can't have that.

449
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,560
Speaker 2: I can't be translating. Yeah, I can't be translating because

450
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,560
Speaker 2: I barely can hear him.

451
00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 3: And then yeah, then we can. Then they play music

452
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,480
Speaker 3: in there.

453
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,640
Speaker 2: Why do you think he talks so low?

454
00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,680
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's being very polite. He

455
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,640
Speaker 3: doesn't want to hurt anybody's ears, so he talks.

456
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,040
Speaker 2: About any of these ears. Yeah, we all, we all

457
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,120
Speaker 2: wear headphones for a living.

458
00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,960
Speaker 4: None of us can hearing is going to be so

459
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,479
Speaker 4: bad when I'm like older.

460
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,639
Speaker 3: For me, sure, I feel like my sight's going to

461
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,920
Speaker 3: sh for being honest minus too.

462
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,520
Speaker 2: That's why I have to wear my glasses born more.

463
00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,880
Speaker 4: What does that have to do with anything?

464
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,960
Speaker 3: Because we're talking about generative what.

465
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Speaker 4: But you think it's work related or just in general,

466
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,440
Speaker 4: you're just.

467
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,920
Speaker 2: In general, but you're looking at computers a lot too. Yeah,

468
00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,159
Speaker 2: and phones. And what we're doing, which I've known this

469
00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,639
Speaker 2: is like we're switching our vision from close to our

470
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,840
Speaker 2: phones to looking up, which is more long distance vision.

471
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,520
Speaker 2: And it's like, I think it's kind of messing with.

472
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Speaker 3: How do we do that because it's almost impossible in

473
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Speaker 3: the line of work that we have to not look

474
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 3: at the computers like we're cooking.

475
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to look at computers.

476
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,120
Speaker 3: We have to do like just great blue light goggles

477
00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:16,439
Speaker 3: based on.

478
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,840
Speaker 2: These glasses are blue light mine too, Mine too.

479
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,879
Speaker 3: I have in my bag, but I always forget that

480
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,080
Speaker 3: I have them and then I don't worm doesn't help

481
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Speaker 3: me in the bag.

482
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,479
Speaker 2: All right, So it's subtle. We're gonna go sneaker shopping,

483
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 2: you and I. Mike's gonna be there. He's gonna facilitate everything.

484
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to my boys, a daily shoes, whatever

485
00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:34,680
Speaker 2: you want.

486
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 4: I was trying to remember, I asked Juju. He was like,

487
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 4: don't do that, because I was looking somewhere and I

488
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,919
Speaker 4: saw Yanna's shoes and like, what are you think of

489
00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:43,280
Speaker 4: these shoes?

490
00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,200
Speaker 2: Like, now, Giannis is good if you're gonna play basketball, outdoors.

491
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,960
Speaker 2: I have a I had a pair of Gianniss that

492
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 2: I played outdoors with.

493
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Speaker 4: I feel like I saw like Yanni's or like Paul

494
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,160
Speaker 4: George and.

495
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 2: Pg's are also not bad to play.

496
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,639
Speaker 3: What do you think we should get Billy though? I

497
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,320
Speaker 3: could see Billy in like, we.

498
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,440
Speaker 2: Need to get Billy something something We're going to talk

499
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,199
Speaker 2: to Russ ever today or yes, we will promise, I promise.

500
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 2: Let's get Billy something that is classic. Okay, that is timeless.

501
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 2: They're gonna get wear it whatever. Yeah, but that's fine.

502
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 3: But you say you gotta find a shoe that looks

503
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,400
Speaker 3: a little good beat?

504
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, what does that mean?

505
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,720
Speaker 2: You know what Billy I have? I already know what

506
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 2: it hold.

507
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,439
Speaker 4: On tell me, let me, let me google it.

508
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking of getting Billy. They dropped earlier this year.

509
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 2: I didn't get it.

510
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:20,880
Speaker 4: Sounds expensive.

511
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: No, fine, The Jordan one eighty five's black and white.

512
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 4: They know, I don't.

513
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

514
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 2: They're a pair that he can wear with whatever he wants.

515
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 2: He can wear them up, he can wear them down.

516
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,160
Speaker 5: No, I think I.

517
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 3: Think I think you'll look good in like a Jordan

518
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 3: one love.

519
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 4: These look like the shoes that everybody here has.

520
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're but they're different.

521
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 4: No, this looks like the shoes that everybody here has.

522
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 3: Because they're putting him in Jordan's, right, Yeah, but.

523
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,120
Speaker 4: The Jordan's everybody has Jordan's. It doesn't seem like it's

524
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 4: like a unique thing.

525
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. You want to be part of

526
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 3: the you know, I don't part of the culture.

527
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: No, I want to How about the lucky g go down,

528
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 2: go down, the lucky.

529
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 4: Green ones that say air, go down, go down. No up?

530
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 2: Then I guess purple ones that say air.

531
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I keep going keep it right now, these.

532
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 3: Ambush air more Temple low Lilac.

533
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, super expensive, twelve dollars. Yeah, no, I'm not going

534
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 4: to do that.

535
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, we gotta get them a pair

536
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 2: of Jordan's. No, like a classic pair.

537
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 4: I want comfortable shoes. That's the other thing.

538
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: They're comforting.

539
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 4: Basketball shoes are not comfortable.

540
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: But they're not basketball shoes though they're retros. It's different.

541
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: What does that mean that they're not basketball shoes?

542
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 3: Okay, we should get them the those noct I'm not

543
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:33,719
Speaker 3: the Glides.

544
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 4: I'm not doing any of this.

545
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: We should get them the ones that had I'm trying

546
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 2: to remember with whatever day, whatever day you want to

547
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 2: set it up, that you don't.

548
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 4: Have that day, a day that you don't have any Unfortunately,

549
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 4: I appreciate the gesture for that day.

550
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 3: I can't the thing I'm stating.

551
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 4: It's weird. I can't do it that day. Sorry, thank you. Next,

552
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 4: I appreciate it the next day, the next day, let

553
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 4: me check my calendar.

554
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: Okay, we should get him the ones that have like

555
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: the fur coming out.

556
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 3: Actually, you know we should get them. No, I don't

557
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: think if we can swim it. I don't like those

558
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 3: some easy wave runners.

559
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 4: I think we need to stay away from Yazy's.

560
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, how about these, uh, very affordable. I

561
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 3: don't know what those are jan one low black toes.

562
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 4: No, I don't like that.

563
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are nice.

564
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 4: You don't want Jordan's. Everybody is Jordan's.

565
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: I want no Billy. Those are nice. I'm telling you.

566
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: Those are nice.

567
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: You're gonna cut all this out on you?

568
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 4: Is there like new balance? Can I get a new balance?

569
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: There are some fire big balance.

570
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 3: I'm a big new balance.

571
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

572
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're ut Puma, Puma. Think about Puma. It's like very.

573
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 4: Narrow that what he says it.

574
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, get ready for it today.

575
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very narrow shoe in my opinion, So I

576
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Speaker 3: don't wear.

577
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 4: You're not lying at I was gonna wear today the

578
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: ones that I've offered twenty they were really tight, and

579
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, these are like tight shoes.

580
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 4: Should I have gone out? Besides it was really almost

581
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 4: uncomfortably tight. I'm like, I'm not gonna wear these.

582
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: Do you know the story of Puma and Adidas?

583
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: They were brothers, right.

584
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's all there's say about that.

585
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: Okay, that was the story.

586
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 3: It's just more in defth and I don't think we

587
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 3: should get into it right now because we've been.

588
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: We do have a you have to get the rust.

589
00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 2: We have to get the rust.

590
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh they have that shoe black belly if you want it?

591
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 4: Which one? No, I've seen that one?

592
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 3: Yeah?

593
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 4: See that was like another year that come out. That's

594
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 4: like one that I remember elementary school kids.

595
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 3: Their tempo. I think it was like A went all.

596
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 4: The way and that left not bad. This one, Yeah, that.

597
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: Was ooh Air Jordan low retros the Air Jordan six

598
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 3: retro Aqua how much is that you can get us?

599
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: Just came out thirteen for two hudred bucks. Yeah, too much.

600
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: They just came out, Billy.

601
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 4: What are they having like the sixty five dollars range?

602
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 2: Nothing?

603
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 3: What is it for twenty nine to ninety nine?

604
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: They have nothing for sixty five dollars. You buy socks

605
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 2: or something for sixty.

606
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 4: Four bus socks?

607
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: Here's some bands.

608
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: Are we gonna get to Russ?

609
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do that. Let's talk to Russ.

610
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 5: Hey, Russ, how are you doing good? What's going on? Guys?

611
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: What's up?

612
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: Man?

613
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 5: I was in Memphis last week, which was actually my

614
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 5: literal first plane flight since the start of the pandemic,

615
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 5: to do like a sixteen part pod with Lang Whittaker

616
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 5: for grind City.

617
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I was actually watching a little bit of that of

618
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 2: that episode. I just put it on right before you

619
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: got on.

620
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 5: Oh wait, that must have been something else. I don't

621
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 5: think they even released any of that yet.

622
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: It was an hour. I don't think it was the

623
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: sixteen part one you were working on. It was like

624
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: an hour show that you did with all the guys.

625
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 5: Oh oh oh yeah, hey yeah yeah yeah. That was

626
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 5: like some uh they do like a separate sneaker pod

627
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 5: out of there, so they put me on that. So

628
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 5: like that one day. We did eight episodes. We recorded

629
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 5: eight episodes with Lang and then that one. So there

630
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 5: was a lot of sneaker talking.

631
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: That day, a lot of talking in general, which is always,

632
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're just like I don't want to

633
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: talk about anything. I don't want to say anything. Just

634
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: get me out.

635
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 5: I told someone at the end of it, I'm like,

636
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about sneakers anymore today at all.

637
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 5: But no, I mean, it's going good. It's crazy that

638
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 5: it just feels like, you know, it's been forever and

639
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, it's like, oh my god,

640
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 5: it's here.

641
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: How long have you been working on it forever?

642
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: Man?

643
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 5: Like, I mean I pitched it back in like two

644
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 5: thousand and nineteen.

645
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

646
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 5: So the initial like not published date, but the initial

647
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 5: like date the manuscript was due it was like May

648
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty, and I stretched it unfortunately way longer

649
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 5: than that, in part because of pandemic issues, in part

650
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: because of like first time writing a book and clearly

651
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 5: had no idea what I was getting into to an extent,

652
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 5: like it was one of those things where like, to

653
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 5: be perfectly honest, like the the proposal was almost too

654
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 5: too successful, you know, Like it went from like, oh,

655
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: this would be a fun thing to do, so like,

656
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 5: oh shit, someone bought it and now I have to

657
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 5: write it, and now I have an actual date when

658
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 5: it's due, and like I don't even know, like there's

659
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 5: so much basic stuff I hadn't had quite figured out yet.

660
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was it was an entertaining process. Now

661
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 5: it's like, oh good, So if it does well, that

662
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 5: means I have to do this again.

663
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: Probably the burden of the second book.

664
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't even thought about it. I mean I

665
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 5: thought about it, but not a lot.

666
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: So Russ Banks is joining us now. His new book,

667
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 4: A History of Basketball and fifteen Sneakers is available now,

668
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: So what is the next book.

669
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 5: I don't even know what the next book is yet,

670
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, Like I had ideas even

671
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 5: like and I probably drove my editor slash agent crazy

672
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: early on where it was like, you know, oh what

673
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 5: if I did like the history of the Jordan one,

674
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 5: And it's kind of like, well, why don't you write

675
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: the book you actually are already under contract to write,

676
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 5: Like oh yeah, that would probably be a good idea,

677
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 5: so like, yeah, I mean I did have that thought briefly,

678
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 5: because like, I think there's so much more room to

679
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 5: expand on that shoe in particular. But then, like in

680
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 5: the eternal process of writing this book, the Air Movie

681
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: came out. You know, I think a lot more attention

682
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 5: has been paid to that. I didn't actually go see

683
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 5: the Air Movie because I didn't want to really distract

684
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: myself or you know, have fiction meld with fact and

685
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: throw myself completely off. So I'll watch it someday. I'm

686
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 5: vaguely curious, but uh yeah, long story short, I'm not sure.

687
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 5: Like someone someone suggested, like, oh, why don't you do

688
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 5: like a history of skateboarding in fifteen shoes, And it's like, well,

689
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 5: for starters, I'm not really a skateboarder. I'm skateboarder adjacent.

690
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 5: I know a lot of the shoe stuff. I've spoken

691
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 5: to a bunch of those guys, like I could probably

692
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 5: do it, but you know, I don't think I would

693
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 5: have the same what's the word I'm looking for authority

694
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 5: to do something like that.

695
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a log in the shoe game, dude,

696
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: So like you grew up at the perfect time where

697
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 2: everything was really coming together and the explosion of the

698
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: sneaker really happened, right, Like, can you take us through

699
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: those take us through all fifteen, but through some of

700
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: the most important ones that have really laid the foundation

701
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: for what we see today in sneakers.

702
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, it starts with the Chuck Taylor.

703
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 5: And the Chuck was like obviously such a big deal

704
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: for so long, you know, and when I first like

705
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 5: conceived of it, it was like, oh, like the history

706
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 5: of basketball and the history of sneakers and how each

707
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 5: grew with each other, and like, honestly, like the Chuck

708
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: was the dominant shoe for you know, so much from

709
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 5: like set shot all the way through the late sixties

710
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: so into like kind of when the ABA was starting off,

711
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 5: and like, you know, wil Chamberlain played his entire career

712
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: in Chuck Taylor's, which is insane. I mean, there's photos

713
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: of him like running track in Chucks, you know. But

714
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between like when that's all,

715
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 5: you know, and now if you took say, like you know,

716
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 5: a Lebron or somebody who gave him a pair of

717
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: Chucks and was like, go play an NBA game in

718
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: these like I don't know, I mean, I feel like

719
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: his feet and ankles would be like, Yo, no, we're

720
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 5: not doing this. But you know then I think, and

721
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go through all fifteen right away.

722
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 5: But like the Superstar when Adidas came out with that,

723
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 5: like that was kind of the game changer of its

724
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: time in the sixties. It kind of came out in

725
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: sixty five as the Super Grip and then became the

726
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 5: Superstar by sixty nine, and just the idea of a

727
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: leather basketball shoe, I mean, it was pretty self explanatory,

728
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: like you would see that after wearing the Chuck for

729
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: your entire life and be like, oh, man, like I

730
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 5: want those. But like so the Air Jordan one, to

731
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 5: me is still like kind of the lynchpin of a

732
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: lot of this and it ends up being not that

733
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 5: there is well I guess yeah, it is kind of

734
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: the central shoe, you know. And it's funny because it

735
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: always struck me. In Barbido's book, Where'd you Get Those?

736
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 5: He talked about the Air Jordan kind of being the

737
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: end of things, And I always talk to him about

738
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 5: that because it's like, Yo, like you don't realize like

739
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 5: you were in the city, you were like a crazy

740
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: like hoop addict and he's a little older than I am,

741
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 5: not much, but a little bit, you know. For him

742
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 5: and people like him, sneakers was such like this insider

743
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: thing and like amongst basketball players, and the Jordan one

744
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 5: was kind of like, I don't even know it was.

745
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: It's like the industry plant of sneakers, you know. It's

746
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: like that got pushed out. There is like, no, this

747
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 5: is cool. And for people who had spent years kind

748
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 5: of determining cool by themselves, it was kind of insulting,

749
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: you know, or kind of like beginner ish. But for me,

750
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 5: I was fourteen years old when the Air Jordan one

751
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 5: came out, growing up in suburban Long Island, Like that

752
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 5: was such a huge moment. It was just like, oh

753
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 5: my god, Like I didn't even realize like there could

754
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 5: be stuff like this, you know, and then it's just

755
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 5: amazing to look back at like Jordan had or Nike

756
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: had an out in that contract and if Jordan didn't

757
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: sell I think it was like three million dollars worth

758
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 5: of product within the first three years of the five

759
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 5: year deal, they could cut his deal off. He sold

760
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 5: one hundred air Jordan sold one hundred and twenty six

761
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 5: million dollars worth of stuff in the first year, crazy,

762
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 5: and he had royalties off not only all that, but

763
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: off all Nike air shoes. So like, you know, first

764
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 5: of all, he made an absurd amount of money just

765
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 5: in the first year of that deal. And secondly, like

766
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: it just showed kind of everyone that this basketball shoe

767
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: market could be more than just basketball players. And it

768
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: like it created and filled the vacuum. But at the

769
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: same time, you know, as the years went on in

770
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: the eighties and into the nineties, like it just exploded,

771
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 5: like every brand was like, wait a minute, if we

772
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 5: find our own Michael Jordan, like we can make that

773
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 5: much money, or like we can make that biggest splash,

774
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 5: And as many found out the hard way, there's kind

775
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: of only one Michael Jordan.

776
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: Is it blasphemous to say that Taylor's are trash for athletics?

777
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: I don't think so. Like I kind of came around

778
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 5: on that where it's like, you know, going through a

779
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: lot of this and like looking at all the guys

780
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: who started out in them and guys who who legit

781
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: played in them, Like you know, doctor j played in

782
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 5: them in his beginnings in the ABA, and while he

783
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 5: was at UH what do you call it? Why am

784
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 5: I UMass? You know, Wilt is the one I always

785
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: go back to, like his entire career, that was one

786
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 5: of the most athletic guys ever. You know, Bill Russell

787
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: played in Chucks and then in like a Chuck esque

788
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 5: shoe he had built. So yes and no, I think

789
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 5: a lot of us when we think of Chuck Taylor's

790
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 5: we think of when Nike took over and bought out

791
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: Converse in two thousand and three, when Converse was in bankruptcy,

792
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 5: they shifted Chuck Taylor production over to uh to Asia

793
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 5: and the Chucks then, I don't think compared at all

794
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: to the Chucks that were prevalent in the sixties and seventies.

795
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: I think they were already kind of on decline once

796
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 5: they became a lifestyle shoe rather than an actual basketball shoe.

797
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: But if you look at like the Chuck seventies now,

798
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 5: which are kind of the more expensive, slightly more substantial ones,

799
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: I can kind of see how a guy could play

800
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 5: in him. I don't know if you guys saw like

801
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 5: Devin Booker did his media day shoot wearing Chucks, Yeah,

802
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 5: I saw him, and I'm just like, you know, Devin's

803
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: been that kind of old school cap for a while,

804
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: even though he was born in ninety six. He drives

805
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: like a lowrider sometimes, like he obviously wears the old

806
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: school stuff, like if he wanted to, I bet he

807
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: could play a game in in like the Chuck seventies,

808
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: although now he has a new signature shoot of his own,

809
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: so that probably won't happen.

810
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: You're really similar to a Kobe that we've seen before.

811
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: And it's funny when you mentioned like all the other

812
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: brands went out and tried to get a player that

813
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: was there Michael Jordan. God knows Adidas try with Tobe.

814
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: God knows that Reebok try with Ai. Like down the line,

815
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: you've seen all these players just really not take off

816
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: until they get back to Nike, and then you see

817
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: their line just take off like that that crazy eights

818
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Kobe Adidas or the ones that look like a like

819
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: a like a space ship you write right right, They

820
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: were so bad and then all of a sudden, Kobe

821
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: goes to Nike and probably after air Jordan's. I would

822
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: probably say that for me, as far as Nikes are concerned,

823
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Kobe's signature line is second to Jordan.

824
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: I think you can make that case. Yeah, yeah, I

825
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: mean Kobe from the four onward when he when he

826
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: when they started doing the low tops and kind of

827
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: kept it consistent. You know. I think if you look

828
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: at a lot of modern signature shoes now, you know,

829
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: everything from Luca and Tatum to Jannis to Lebron to KD,

830
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: they're all low tops now. Pretty much everybody's wearing low tops,

831
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: like I think, you know, And the funny thing is,

832
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 5: like if you look at the history, like there were

833
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 5: pros wearing low top Chuck Taylors, you know, the Superstar

834
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 5: was designed as a low top and the only reason

835
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 5: Adidas did the pro model was because they were like,

836
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: well there's some people who aren't gonna want to aren't

837
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 5: gonna trust low tops, Like low toops have kind of

838
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 5: always been a thing, but they went away from him

839
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: for a while and you had like some guys would

840
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 5: wear them, like Steve Nash always wore lows, trying to

841
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: think like Sam Cassell, Mike Bibbie. But Kobe was, Yeah,

842
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 5: he was the one who really ushered in the whole, like, Okay,

843
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 5: any anyone can wear low toops, Like if Kobe can

844
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 5: do it, you're probably not putting as much pressure on

845
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: your shoe as Kobe is, so you can probably deal

846
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 5: with it. The thing is like, I don't know, you know,

847
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 5: you wonder how much of it is the person, how

848
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 5: much of it is the shoe. Obviously Kobe endorsed those

849
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 5: Adida I actually kind of like the Crazy Eights, like

850
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: the the the KB eight and the KB eight two.

851
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 5: I think they were pretty good. You know, that was

852
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: early on in his career. I don't think he had

853
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 5: the impact quite yet, even though obviously he was getting

854
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: a ton of All Star votes and the Iverson stuff, like,

855
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: you know, I think the question is a pretty iconic shoe.

856
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 5: Outside of that, I don't know. I just don't know if,

857
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: like if that line was really like you know, really

858
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 5: evocative of what Iverson was able to do. And it's

859
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: like you don't want to second guess that stuff. But

860
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 5: if Iverson signs with Nike and gets like nineties Nike

861
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 5: stuff and gets the attention and the commercials that someone

862
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: like a Penny got, who knows.

863
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: It'd be crazy. What's your what's your grail shoe? What's

864
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: the shoe that you look at and you're like, I'm

865
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: so glad I have this.

866
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 5: One, man. I mean there's obviously a couple probably, like

867
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 5: I mean, it's cliche, but probably a pair of the

868
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: original nineteen eighty five black and red Jordan Ones that

869
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 5: I got like on eBay, I believe, like before things

870
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 5: got completely out of hand, Like the one pair I

871
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: have is in pretty new condition and I paid like

872
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 5: three hundred dollars, you know, and at this point you're

873
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 5: talking like ten times that probably, yeah, easily. I also

874
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: have I have a pair of black, white and red

875
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: ones that I bought at a either a good will

876
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 5: or Salvation Army I forget in Newark, Delaware when I

877
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 5: was in college, so this would have been like nineteen

878
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: ninety one, so this wasn't even that long afterwards. They're

879
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 5: pretty cooked. They were a size eleven and a half

880
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 5: I wear a nine and a half. Ten. I wore

881
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: them anyway back then because I didn't think they'd ever

882
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 5: come back out, Like the idea of retro just seemed

883
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 5: so strange, like why would they re release old shoes?

884
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 5: So I wore them a couple of times, held on

885
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: to them slam when I was there had a drop ceiling,

886
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 5: so for years they hung from the ceiling in the office.

887
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: One pair actually went to the Bata Shoe Museum or

888
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 5: one shoe they were doing a display in like somewhere

889
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 5: in Australia, and they didn't have an eighty five Jordan one,

890
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 5: so I offered that one up. So it got to

891
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: take a year in Australia. And yeah, I still have

892
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 5: them somewhere. I mean, they're in pretty bad shape. You know,

893
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: if they were to be wearable at any point, you

894
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: probably could do a sole swap and stuff like that.

895
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 5: But I actually don't believe in that. Like I'm kind

896
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: of like with shoes, like they talk about cars, like

897
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 5: it's only original once, right, And yeah, I don't believe

898
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 5: in putting like a retro sole on an old shoe.

899
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Just to just not the shoe anymore. At what point

900
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: is it the shoe when you change anything about the shoe.

901
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 5: Right right? Right? Yeah. Cleaning is one thing, although I'm

902
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 5: bad at that too.

903
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: Your new book, A History of Basketball and fifteen Sneakers

904
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: is available now. What would be the sixteenth sneaker? Which

905
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: one didn't make the cut, So I'm.

906
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 5: Gonna be I'm gonna cheat and give you three.

907
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: I like it, So I to.

908
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 5: Preface this, like you know, I tried to be fair

909
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 5: in terms of like getting to stuff from various companies.

910
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: I tried to like keep it to like different generations

911
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 5: and not you know, do too much right around one

912
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 5: time frame. So I mean, the one that really bugs me,

913
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: but it didn't make it because I would have covered

914
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: the same ground so many times, was the question. You know.

915
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 5: I think Iverson obviously was such a huge personality, like

916
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 5: him getting his own shoe, like from the beginning put

917
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 5: him on this same level as Jordan before him and

918
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 5: Lebron after he got a huge deal from Reebok. You know,

919
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: it was between Reebok and Nike basically the only ones

920
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 5: who could really afford him, and that shoe made such

921
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 5: an impact, and he was such an impactful guy, like

922
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 5: forget player. You know, I always say, like Jordan was

923
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 5: kind of the the guys who rappers talked about, and

924
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 5: like Iverson was one of those guys. Like I mean,

925
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 5: I know his rap album got shelved and will probably

926
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 5: never come out, but for probably for good reason, you know,

927
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: but him having like Jadakiss in his commercials and stuff

928
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 5: like that, Like Iverson was a true like man of

929
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: the people, you know, Like I don't know who else

930
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 5: has been that impactful. And then the other two would

931
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: be the Grand Hill, one of the Grand Hill, Fela's

932
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: maybe the four because I think, you know, FILA was

933
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: an interesting like sort of aside to the whole thing,

934
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 5: and Grant obviously was you know, he he along with Kobe,

935
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 5: was probably as close as you got to the next Jordan.

936
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 5: You know, Grant, I guess was probably more of the

937
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 5: next Pippin, but with Jordan tendencies because he could do

938
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 5: everything at six 's eight and like until he got hurt,

939
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: the stuff he was doing was absurd. You know. He

940
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 5: kind of redefined Detroit coming out of the Bad Boys era.

941
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 5: And I love there's a story about Jamal Mashburn when

942
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: he signed to FILA, Like one of the things he

943
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 5: got as a bonus was a Ferrari. So it's like,

944
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: you know, there's definitely interesting things there, and I do

945
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 5: think the Grand Hill, you know, did have that kind

946
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 5: of impact. And then the third would just be one

947
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 5: of the ewing brand choose because the idea of a

948
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: guy like launching his own brand in the late eighties

949
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 5: early nineties in New York ending up wearing it on

950
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: the Dream Team, and the fact that it made enough

951
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: of an impact that they brought the entire brand back.

952
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 5: I don't know like how many people are wearing it now,

953
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 5: but you know that was kind of a moment too,

954
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 5: and even just the idea of, like, at least in

955
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: the beginning, the thought was to make those shoes affordable,

956
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 5: which is something that's also been kind of a recurrence.

957
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: Funny thing is those ewings are like so clunky and big.

958
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: They're like Jordan Five's where it's just like, how can

959
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I wear this to do anything except like walk outside,

960
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: like in the snow or something. And I remember seeing

961
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: those ewings and been like I can't, I can't wear

962
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: these these It's just massive.

963
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: I think there was like there was so much bloat

964
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: back then, both in the shoes themselves and in like brands,

965
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: you know, cause like late eighties, early nineties, there was

966
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 5: just so much stuff out there, and like you know,

967
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 5: the Rebock pump, Like I remember trying those on when

968
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: I was a kid, and it's just like, good God,

969
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: Like these things are massive. It's one thing like Dominique

970
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: Wilkins being able to play in them, it's like another

971
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 5: thing when I'm like fourteen years old, like one hundred

972
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 5: and thirty pounds, Like why am I going to wear

973
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 5: these like two pound shoes? Like I got enough problems,

974
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: you know, Or like a company like British Knights doing

975
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 5: basketball shoes. Yeah, and Derrek Coleman wearing them on court

976
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 5: somewhere somewhere in a box in the attic. I have

977
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: a pair of uh oh, man, I do have a

978
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 5: pair of British Knights. And I just totally blanked on

979
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 5: the guy's name. He was a New York guy and

980
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna remember it sweepy Lloyd Daniels when he played

981
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 5: for the Spurs. But just you know, wild stuff like that.

982
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 5: You know. That's when like Converse introduced the Run and Gun,

983
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: which I think they changed the name of because it

984
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 5: was like, we probably shouldn't do that.

985
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: We'll get you out on this last one. When you

986
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: look at where sneaker culture, when you look at where

987
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: sneakers are right now, not only price point, but the

988
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: way in which we buy sneakers, we need to change

989
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: right The online sneaker draws the fact that nothing's available

990
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: in store anymore. If you want real heat, you have

991
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: to go to all these premium stores that are charging

992
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: three four, five, six, seven, ten times over what retail

993
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: value is, like, how do we get the ship back

994
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: on course for sneakers.

995
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: It's funny, like, I mean, obviously I've thought about this

996
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 5: kind of stuff a lot, and it's like, you know,

997
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 5: I think part of the problem is how often people

998
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 5: buy now. You know, you go back to the nineties,

999
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: you go back to when that stuff was popular. You

1000
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: are lucky to get like two pairs a year. You know,

1001
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: you got three or four pairs a year. You were balling. Yeah,

1002
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 5: and now it's like the expectation is to buy for

1003
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: buying pairs like every week. There kind of is an

1004
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 5: embarrassment of riches out there as far as what's available.

1005
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: And it's like, I think everyone would be fine if,

1006
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 5: you know, a people bought less and be like if

1007
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: people weren't so caught up and like checking things off

1008
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: a list, you know, if instead of like, Okay, I

1009
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: need this, this, this, and this is just like I

1010
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 5: need a pair of dope shoes, you can find those.

1011
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 5: Like if you go on any of those boutiques like

1012
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 5: sale pages or whatever, it's endless. There's so much stuff

1013
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: available because whatever was super hot last week, if it

1014
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: didn't sell out immediately, it's gonna be on sale already

1015
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 5: because they got ten more pairs this week they need

1016
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: to try and sell. So I think it's like, you know,

1017
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: the only people who are really, really, really stuck is

1018
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 5: if like you, insist on being on that crest of

1019
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 5: the wave and having whatever the most hyped up thing

1020
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 5: is the week it's being hyped up. If you can wait,

1021
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: or if you can, you know, do with fewer pairs

1022
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 5: and like get something and wear it a lot. There's

1023
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 5: no shortage of stuff out there, Like you never ever

1024
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 5: should have to pay over retail.

1025
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Your team wear your shoes, right, you gotta be.

1026
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely absolutely, And I have way too many, Like.

1027
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: Say, every time you talk, I'm looking over at my closet,

1028
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: which I have right here, and I've got like seventy pairs. Yeah,

1029
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: I wentdividually in boxes.

1030
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: What's too many Russ? Like, like thirty pairs of shoes?

1031
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 4: What's too many Russ?

1032
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 5: Oh man. Once you get into triple digits, you're pushing it.

1033
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like, wait, how many do you have?

1034
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 5: I don't even know. I don't even know. I've never

1035
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 5: I've never actually counted. I've gotten rid of triple digits,

1036
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 5: Like since it started the pandemic, because like I got

1037
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: used to having shoes a whole bunch of places, right,

1038
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 5: Like I had choose at the office, I had choosen storage,

1039
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 5: I had choose at the apartment. I had choose at

1040
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 5: my parents' house. And when the pandemic hit, I actually

1041
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 5: ended up moving back home to help my parents out,

1042
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 5: and I wasn't didn't have a full time job anymore,

1043
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 5: so I didn't have an office, So all my stuff

1044
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: ended up either with you at my parents' house or

1045
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 5: in the storage unit. And during the pandemic, when there

1046
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: wasn't much else going on, I would like go to

1047
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 5: the storage unit and just sit there and look into

1048
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 5: it and be like what am I doing? Like, you know,

1049
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: like because there was such a long period when I

1050
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 5: was at SLAM, when I was a complex, even in between,

1051
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 5: I was getting sense stuff, and getting sense stuff means

1052
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: like it's kind of paradoxical, but you buy more too,

1053
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 5: right because you're like, oh, man, like, well I got

1054
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 5: these five pairs for free, so like there's this other

1055
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 5: pairs I really want, so I'm just going to go

1056
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 5: buy it. And when that all stops, you're just like,

1057
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 5: wait a minute, I don't need anything else. So I

1058
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: actually got in the habit not only of trying to

1059
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 5: sell off a bunch, which I did, because I went

1060
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 5: through so many boxes. I mean I remember like looking

1061
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: for an alternative to you line because like the people

1062
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 5: who run that company are kind of scary, so like,

1063
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 5: you know, where do I get more shipping boxes? But

1064
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 5: I still went through like multiple stacks of like fifty

1065
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 5: count boxes. But I would also start putting pairs in

1066
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 5: the car, writing notes and leaving them in the box

1067
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 5: like yo, like enjoy these, here's my at you know,

1068
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 5: let me know if you find them. And I probably

1069
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 5: left one hundred pairs out over the course of a

1070
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 5: year or maybe less. And like at first, I actually

1071
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 5: shot the location and posted it on my Instagram, like yo,

1072
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: I just left a pair of shoes here, like whatever. Whatever. Well,

1073
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 5: I found out kind of the hard way that no

1074
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 5: matter how many followers you have, you only had so

1075
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 5: many who are sort of nearby geographically. Yeah, and like

1076
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 5: one dude picked up like four pairs in a row.

1077
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 5: That's awesome, And I was just like yo, like I'm

1078
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 5: not doing this to like fill one person's closet, Like

1079
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 5: that's insane. So I stopped doing that. I just kept

1080
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 5: leaving him out and like, I don't know, ten pairs

1081
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 5: would go by and I'd never hear anything, and you're

1082
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 5: just like, ough, this sucks, Like what am I doing

1083
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 5: this for? And then like that eleventh pair, you would

1084
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: get a message and someone would be so psyched and

1085
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: like shoot a photo of them when they found him,

1086
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 5: and it's like, oh, all right, yeah, this is why

1087
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 5: I'm doing this. And the best one was so I

1088
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 5: had a pair of I think it was the Kobe

1089
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 5: eight Christmases. It's like the stained glass looking ones with

1090
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 5: like the neon yellow soul, and I'd warn them a

1091
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 5: couple of times, and at first I was gonna sell them.

1092
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 5: I waited long enough, like I felt there was no

1093
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: way I was gonna sell stuff for like a year

1094
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 5: after he passed, like I did not want to be

1095
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: a person like yeah, I mean that just seemed sick.

1096
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: By the way, plenty of molded because price is skyrocketed.

1097
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 5: On aside, I had a pair of Kobe one Protros,

1098
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 5: the black and yellow ones in Stadium Goods for like

1099
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 5: two years at retail me too. I forgot about him.

1100
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 5: I completely forgot, and like a month after he passed away,

1101
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: I was like, oh damn, like I got to pull

1102
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 5: those and I went on. They literally sold the day

1103
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 5: like either the day he died or the day after.

1104
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 5: And I'm sure someone flipped him for double immediate.

1105
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: Well for sure. At least they re released in eighteen,

1106
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: I want to say. And I sold them in nineteen

1107
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: just because I was like, all right, I want to

1108
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: get rid of these whatever. And I sold them in

1109
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: nineteen and then early twenties is obviously when it happened,

1110
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: and it was just like damn, like I wish because

1111
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: I have my only coach. So I played basketball growing up,

1112
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: so I went. I ran through Kobe's like crazy, like

1113
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: I have covies that I actually played in, so like

1114
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: they're just dust, the souls were cast, like everything is done.

1115
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: The only ones I have still left are Kobe eight

1116
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: Venice Beaches that I are one of my favorite shoes.

1117
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: I love those, so I always keep them. And I

1118
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: had those Kobe Wan protos and I was like, man,

1119
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: if I would have had like I wish I could

1120
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: go back in time and like those because I would

1121
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: have kept them.

1122
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, but no, So those eights, like they

1123
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 5: sat for a while and like no one was really

1124
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 5: biting and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna leave

1125
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 5: these out. And it was like around Christmas time. It

1126
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 5: was super cold out there was snow on the ground,

1127
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 5: and like I try and leave stuff like in places

1128
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 5: that make sense. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna

1129
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 5: leave these at a court, and there's a court not

1130
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 5: far away like where I played out as a kid

1131
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 5: that got completely redone Like it's super nice now, wish

1132
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 5: was that nice when I was younger, So I like

1133
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 5: the park was closed, I had to park on the

1134
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 5: street and like go through a side gate and like

1135
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: walk carefully over the snow and I hung them over

1136
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 5: like the stanchion. The next morning, I get a message,

1137
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 5: and you wonder about like how true this stuff is,

1138
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 5: but it felt right like it was a mom talking

1139
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 5: about like her kid found them. He loved those. He

1140
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: absolutely wanted a pair and like couldn't get him or

1141
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 5: whatever they were his size, Like he considered it like

1142
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 5: the best Christmas present ever.

1143
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

1144
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 5: And then like a week later she sends me another

1145
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 5: photo of him playing in some like basketball game indoors

1146
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 5: wearing them, and it's like, Okay, this is perfect, Like

1147
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 5: this is better than any amount of money I would

1148
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 5: have gotten for him, And it's even better than like,

1149
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 5: you know, posting him somewhere and being like, yo, anyone

1150
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 5: wants these let me know, Like I don't know, like

1151
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 5: and I guess when you leave out one hundred pairs,

1152
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 5: like you're going to eventually get one that's like cool

1153
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 5: like that, But that was a good one. That was

1154
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 5: a really good one.

1155
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: A History of Basketball and fifteen Sneakers Rust one more

1156
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 4: time on the way out. Why should people buy your book?

1157
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 4: Is it just for sneakerheads? Is it for novices who

1158
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: can enjoy this book?

1159
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 5: Honestly, I mean I kind of wrote it for everyone,

1160
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 5: you know. I think, like I think, if you know

1161
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: a lot about it, there's gonna be a lot of

1162
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 5: things in there you already know, but there's definitely gonna

1163
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 5: be new things for you. You know, if you have

1164
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: no idea, then you're gonna find out a lot of

1165
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 5: new stuff. And honestly, like the reason I wrote it,

1166
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 5: and I tell people like, I've essentially been working on

1167
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 5: this book since I was fourteen, you know, since the

1168
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 5: Air Jordan one came out. This has been kind of

1169
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 5: like basketball and sneakers have always been connected in my mind,

1170
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 5: and you know, whenever a new retro would come out

1171
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 5: or even a new shoe would come out, I would

1172
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: always tell people at brands like, yo, like where's the context?

1173
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 5: Like why is why are you not explaining like how

1174
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 5: this fits into everything else? And you know, hopefully in

1175
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 5: this book I did some of that.

1176
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks

1177
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 4: for the time and good luck.

1178
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you guys so much.