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Speaker 3: Happy Friday, everybody, Emily, great to see you.
Speaker 4: Great to see you.
Speaker 5: Were waiting on Ryan Grimm, but he should pop up shortly.
Speaker 2: He'll make his grand entrance any moment. Now. You already
Speaker 2: made this joke. What are we going to talk about today?
Speaker 2: Just how you know that it's brilliant and original. We
Speaker 2: missed you yesterday when Ryan and I did our Breaking News,
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to get your thoughts on this whole
Speaker 2: elon Trump meltdown debacle. I mean, what are your top line,
Speaker 2: what are your reflections on what's unfolded thus far.
Speaker 4: So this is I was wrong.
Speaker 5: I said on the show many many times that I
Speaker 5: expected not a massive explosion in the relationship. But what
Speaker 5: we saw literally until yesterday is what I thought was
Speaker 5: the likeliest scenario, which is that it would be a
Speaker 5: slow disentangling where everyone can save face because they both
Speaker 5: are very powerful and both have so much to lose. Ye. Now,
Speaker 5: what's interesting I think is all of this happened after
Speaker 5: Elon Musk came out and said he's done with political donations,
Speaker 5: and so I think the transactionality of the relationship was
Speaker 5: really hurt by the Wisconsin election that we covered, and
Speaker 5: was really hurt by Elon Musk saying he can't He's
Speaker 5: not even going to donate, and that I think made
Speaker 5: it easier for everything to ultimately blow up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that changed the calculation on the on Trump's part
Speaker 2: at least, and then Elon's calculation seemed to be changed
Speaker 2: somewhat by Trump pulling the plug on his NASA pick.
Speaker 2: Because when Elon couldn't have his guy at NASA to
Speaker 2: shepherd through his SpaceX contracts and whatever to fulfill his
Speaker 2: Grand Mars ambitions, that seemed to have somewhat changed his calculus.
Speaker 3: Hey Ryan, how's it going pretty good?
Speaker 4: How you doing good?
Speaker 2: So we're gonna I have like one million elements pulled
Speaker 2: on Elon versus Trump to go through just things that
Speaker 2: transpired since Ryan and I did our breaking segment yesterday.
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Speaker 2: at ruppers out of Randy Fines's office. He's the one
Speaker 2: who called for Gaza to be nuked, so always really inspiring.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to her, so she's going to join.
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Speaker 2: his thoughts on Israel, which is that's interesting and of itself.
Speaker 2: We've got the KJPE stuff that we didn't get to
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Speaker 3: You do agree doing.
Speaker 6: That, You do not want to be doing that. And
Speaker 6: in the back half of the show, we can also
Speaker 6: talk about something I just broke, which is that next
Speaker 6: week the House is planning to vote on a resolution
Speaker 6: that would deem the phrase free Palestine to be quote
Speaker 6: an anti Semitic slogan.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 6: They've tucked it into a resolution that condemns the Colorado
Speaker 6: terrorist attack in Boulder. But if you vote for that
Speaker 6: to condemn that attack, you're voting for language that says
Speaker 6: that Palestine as an anti Semitic slogan that calls for
Speaker 6: the discussion of Jewish people.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is so devious. To put those two things
Speaker 2: together is so just incredibly devious.
Speaker 5: All Right.
Speaker 3: I struggled with how to start.
Speaker 2: The Elon Trump feud portion, so I thought we would
Speaker 2: start with, you know, the absolute most important news here,
Speaker 2: which is that Elon Musk has unsubscribed and unfollowed cat Tured.
Speaker 3: You know, it's truly an end of an era.
Speaker 6: Why did he do this? He's going to miss out
Speaker 6: on all of these insights.
Speaker 2: I mean, Catured will still probably be in his feed,
Speaker 2: but depending on I guess how Elon rearranges the algorithm
Speaker 2: now for this new era.
Speaker 3: But it is pretty funny, he says.
Speaker 2: Catured says breaking Elon Musk has unsubscribed and unfollowed me.
Speaker 2: Alex Jones says he's not in my Trump cult. Many
Speaker 2: large influencer accounts desperately tried to stay neutral today. I've
Speaker 2: never changed in years. If you want to criticize Trump's bill,
Speaker 2: no problem. If you don't like Trump's policies, no problem.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. If you don't like Trump's tariffs,
Speaker 2: I'll listen to yourself. But when you come out and
Speaker 2: call Trump a pedophile, that's when you've crossed a red line.
Speaker 2: Don't care about anything you have to say after that, Emily.
Speaker 5: First of all, it was for Elon Musk, Like it
Speaker 5: started to be clear. Elon Musk started this by saying
Speaker 5: that tweet he posted, what was it Monday or Tuesday?
Speaker 5: He posted one saying I can't hold it in any longer.
Speaker 4: The bill is abominable. What did you call it? A bominable?
Speaker 4: A disgrace?
Speaker 5: And that was I mean before his criticism of the
Speaker 5: bill had been muted, and I would say civil and polite,
Speaker 5: And then he posted that and they could no longer
Speaker 5: do this dance pretending that they were all on the
Speaker 5: same page and it was just a happy marriage. So
Speaker 5: to go from that, I mean, this is not zero
Speaker 5: to one hundred, This is zero to one thousand.
Speaker 4: To your in the.
Speaker 5: Epstein files, Musk created a problem for himself, which is basically,
Speaker 5: I helped elect a guy in the Epstein files, despite
Speaker 5: apparently being really serious about him, said that I loved
Speaker 5: him as much as any straight man could love another man,
Speaker 5: and then working for his administration just it creates a
Speaker 5: problem for himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, no doubt about it. I'll pull this up.
Speaker 2: So there's some reporting. It's been kind of interesting Trump's
Speaker 2: response because Elon has gone as scorched earth as you
Speaker 2: possibly can, right, bringing in Epstein saying you only won
Speaker 2: the election because of me, which is another admission, right
Speaker 2: that this richest man on the planet believes that he
Speaker 2: was able to successfully buy the presidency of the United
Speaker 2: States is like also an extraordinary admission there. So he
Speaker 2: has gone as scorched earth as he possibly can. And
Speaker 2: my senses, Trump has been somewhat restrained, Like he definitely
Speaker 2: has not gone as hard in response as Elon has. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe that's because Trump has a lot more than just
Speaker 2: rhetorical arrows that he could shoot at Elon, right he
Speaker 2: you know, he threatened Elon's government subsidies for and you know,
Speaker 2: contracts for SpaceX, which would be really damaging for now,
Speaker 2: we really rely on SpaceX, both in terms of starlink
Speaker 2: and in terms of you know, the International Space Station
Speaker 2: all this stuff, which again is another commentary on how
Speaker 2: much this one guy and this gigantic monopoly, like how
Speaker 2: dependent as a country you've become on you know, this monopoly.
Speaker 2: But Trump has the power to pull those contracts to
Speaker 2: investigate Elon ban and I've got all of a bunch
Speaker 2: of clips from him calling for Elon to be investigated
Speaker 2: and you know deported for his you know, entering the
Speaker 2: country and of false pretensers O're staying his visa or whatever,
Speaker 2: the immigration fraud allegedly as with regard to him. So
Speaker 2: maybe the reason why Trump rhetorically has been a little
Speaker 2: bit uh muted, is because he has so much more
Speaker 2: that he can actually do to Elon's so much more
Speaker 2: halfed really ultimately than Elon has and on the screen.
Speaker 5: These are the two true social posts that Trump has.
Speaker 5: And he was responding to reporters yesterday too, but these
Speaker 5: are the two true social posts he's posted so far.
Speaker 5: Elon I think is up to dozens, like he's in
Speaker 5: the dozens. Oh yeah, of course of the week I
Speaker 5: think politically, yeah, like seventy and that was before yesterday,
Speaker 5: So it's.
Speaker 3: Which is actually a diminished pace on for Elon.
Speaker 5: But yes, no, just on Trump is what they counted, Yeah,
Speaker 5: which is something else.
Speaker 2: Ryan, There was Politico reporting that there was a possible daytonte.
Speaker 2: Signs of a truce are aberging and increasingly bitter clash.
Speaker 2: Trump projected an Arab nonchalance in an interview Thursday with Politico.
Speaker 2: White House aids, after working to persuade the President to
Speaker 2: temper his public criticism of Musk to avoid escalation, scheduled
Speaker 2: a call Friday with Elon to broker a piece. Oh
Speaker 2: it's okay, Trump told Politico in a brief telephone call
Speaker 2: when asked about the very public breakup, It's going very well.
Speaker 2: Never done better. Trump went on to toubt his favorability rating, saying,
Speaker 2: the numbers are through the roof of the highest poles I've
Speaker 2: ever had, and I and I have to go. But
Speaker 2: this morning we have reporting from Jonathan and Carl saying
Speaker 2: that no, there is no phone call planned. Let me
Speaker 2: see if I can pull this one up as well,
Speaker 2: so we can see it in a phone conversation. This morning,
Speaker 2: Trump told me Elon Musk is the man who has
Speaker 2: lost his mind. Trump did not, however, seem angry or
Speaker 2: even concerned about the few deus who reports there's going
Speaker 2: to be a Trump Musk call schedule for today. Trump
Speaker 2: told me he is not particularly interested in talking to Musk,
Speaker 2: although he says Musk wants to talk to him, which,
Speaker 2: if true, is you know, interesting dynamic.
Speaker 3: There as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it shows Trump very much believes that he's winning
Speaker 6: this breakup and also understood that Elon was becoming quite
Speaker 6: a drag on him, and that the louder he breaks
Speaker 6: up with him, the less that that drag affects him
Speaker 6: going forward.
Speaker 2: You know not, and the more he can blame anything
Speaker 2: bad that happens is in his administration on Elon screwing.
Speaker 6: Up with those Yes, right, you certainly you literally could.
Speaker 6: Although it's it's tough because it's like people are gonna
Speaker 6: be like, well, who hired Elon in the first place?
Speaker 6: But yeah, he he loves to like blame you know,
Speaker 6: John Bolton or whoever, and and talk about them as
Speaker 6: the biggest morons that have ever existed without even like
Speaker 6: bothering to reconcile the the question of well, then why
Speaker 6: should we trust your one that brought this moron in
Speaker 6: here in the first place? But whatever? Carry on? Uh,
Speaker 6: I wonder if this uh you know, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of glee on the left about this, But is is
Speaker 6: is now the kind of Stephen Miller wing just kind
Speaker 6: of completely unshackled, Like was there any useful moderating force
Speaker 6: that Musk might have been playing? Emily, you think that
Speaker 6: now isn't being played?
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so, And I don't think well
Speaker 5: because we should.
Speaker 6: Just have glee.
Speaker 5: I can't think of a way in which Elon Musk
Speaker 5: would have been a moderating force unless it was just
Speaker 5: purely on climate related provisions, like if you're disentangling build
Speaker 5: back better or something like that, but I don't even
Speaker 5: know that there's much evidence he was doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't see any indication that there was holding
Speaker 2: back on that. I mean, I guess the area I
Speaker 2: would say is maybe like on the tariffs, not Elon specifically,
Speaker 2: but having the like tech right in the coalition. But
Speaker 2: it seems to me like the moderating factor on the
Speaker 2: tariffs is more the bond market than it was you know.
Speaker 6: Target CEO.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Sovarro.
Speaker 5: Immediately attacked Elon Musk over the tariff thing, and like
Speaker 5: was talking about how he's just an assembler and not
Speaker 5: a manufacturer. So I think they were less less listening
Speaker 5: to Musk and it was more Trump peering from who
Speaker 5: was in the Oval office or no, he watched Jamie
Speaker 5: Diamond on Morgan Mornings with Maria, that's.
Speaker 4: Right, and had Charles Schwab.
Speaker 2: Right in the hell of a day. Yeah, no, that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many interesting aspects of this. There's
Speaker 2: also everybody's waiting for what Jade Vance was going to say,
Speaker 2: who was apparently recording a podcast with the Ovon which
Speaker 2: is going to be interesting as well. And Vance finally
Speaker 2: weighed in with kind of a it was kind of
Speaker 2: like a weird I don't know, what do you guys
Speaker 2: think of this tweet? He says at ten thirty pm. Right,
Speaker 2: so this is hours after the Internet has had everything
Speaker 2: to say about this dispute, and there's been so much
Speaker 2: back and forth in Epstein and you should be impeached.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that Elon said is that
Speaker 2: Trump should be impeached and Jade Vance replace him. And
Speaker 2: so this is what Jadie Vance said. He said, President
Speaker 2: Trump has done more than any person in my lifetime
Speaker 2: to earn the trust of the movement. He leads, I'm
Speaker 2: proud to stand beside him. I don't know what did
Speaker 2: you guys think of this INSERTI because I mean, part
Speaker 2: of the reason why there's intrigue around Jadie Vance is
Speaker 2: he's on the ticket because of Elon and Peter tile
Speaker 2: and the tech right Like he is Peter Teel's protege.
Speaker 2: Peter Teel funded his seate campaign and you know, funded
Speaker 2: his career, and that is really the reason why he
Speaker 2: ends up being the vice presidential pick. So everyone's kind
Speaker 2: of watching, like, all right, who's whose side side are
Speaker 2: you going to be on? How are you going to
Speaker 2: play this out because the the assumption was that he's
Speaker 2: there to be kind of their inside man and to
Speaker 2: make it so that after Trump leaves, they get their
Speaker 2: guy in the White House or at least as the
Speaker 2: Republican nominee after you know, after Trump is done.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: The thing that stood out to me in that and Ryan,
Speaker 5: I'm curious because you like literally written books about this
Speaker 5: on the left, but on the right. When jd Vance
Speaker 5: says to earn the trust, that to me was reflective
Speaker 5: of some type of I think small, not significant, but
Speaker 5: some type of concern that Elon Musk could split the
Speaker 5: MAGA movement. And what Jadvance was signaling there is continue
Speaker 5: to trust Trump right quote unquote trust Trump, and that
Speaker 5: to me is very interesting that they are worried that
Speaker 5: maybe some people peel off and go with Elon. I
Speaker 5: think what we saw happen over the course of the
Speaker 5: day yesterday is basically it looked like Trump people were
Speaker 5: with Trump. They were there for Trump first and foremost,
Speaker 5: but there it seemed like there may have been some
Speaker 5: anxiety about where the Doge Bros Elon people go.
Speaker 6: Ultimately, the complicating factor in all this is that you know,
Speaker 6: Donald Trump Junior played a significant role in lobbying his
Speaker 6: father to put JD. Vance on the ticket. So, but
Speaker 6: that that's and that's related to Donald Trump Junior's, you know,
Speaker 6: dalliance with all of these you know, oligarchs, as the
Speaker 6: family is trying to kind of take what it sees
Speaker 6: is it's rightful place alongside the rest of these these oligarchs.
Speaker 6: And so there's that, there is that link. So it's
Speaker 6: in an unusual way and in a in a kind
Speaker 6: of aristocratic way, you know, brought together, you know, the
Speaker 6: families bring bring them together. So I do think that, yeah,
Speaker 6: what Jade Vance is reflecting is the same thing that
Speaker 6: that Trump was seeing, that that he's winning this that
Speaker 6: even though Elon Musk is you know, buying ink by
Speaker 6: the barrel. Uh, even even though he's got this like
Speaker 6: army of sycophants out on Twitter who he pays to
Speaker 6: say nice things about him, Trump is still Trump, and
Speaker 6: Trump still captures the respect and the imagination of the
Speaker 6: MAGA movement. And so far I don't see it. You
Speaker 6: know that the big beautiful Bill may fall apart for
Speaker 6: other reasons, but so far it doesn't. Even though this
Speaker 6: whole fight was about that, it doesn't seem, at least
Speaker 6: from my perspective, to be doing any real damage to it. Emily,
Speaker 6: Or are you seeing people saying like, oh, we need
Speaker 6: to revisit this in the light of Musk's criticism.
Speaker 4: No, it's the opposite, truly, it's so imposite.
Speaker 5: There was all of this momentum before Elon went nuclear
Speaker 5: on BBB that it was putting the screws to leadership
Speaker 5: and actually terrifying them, like they were freaked out about
Speaker 5: this bill crashing and burning, which again we've talked about
Speaker 5: many times. They need this from their perspective, it's not
Speaker 5: like an optional part of them having done all of
Speaker 5: these tariffs.
Speaker 4: It's a necessary part of it.
Speaker 5: They didn't think it would be a problem, and they
Speaker 5: were getting rand Paul Ron Johnson, potentially Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski,
Speaker 5: but even just having rand Ron Johnson, potentially Mike Lee
Speaker 5: who had been interacting with Elon Musk sort of civilly.
Speaker 5: So they were having real problems with this, And now
Speaker 5: what happens is Elon Musk has for MAGA. If you're
Speaker 5: worried about getting re elected by Republican voters and particularly
Speaker 5: hardcore MAGA voters, Elon Musk has made it Trump versus
Speaker 5: this disloyal oligarch. I'm not saying that's the right framing,
Speaker 5: but I'm saying that's the framing that MAGA is going
Speaker 5: to see it through now. And so it actually is
Speaker 5: going to make it easier for leadership to get a
Speaker 5: deal because now they have more leverage in that. If
Speaker 5: you're Mike Lee or if you are Ron Johnson, you
Speaker 5: don't want to look like you are taking Elon Musk's
Speaker 5: side in all of this. And so I think there's
Speaker 5: still going to be significant corrections to the bill. I
Speaker 5: shouldn't say corrections, that's the wrong word, but like corrections
Speaker 5: in their direction.
Speaker 4: They want to make more cuts. I think they're going
Speaker 4: to get that.
Speaker 5: But it's made it easier for leadership to get from
Speaker 5: point A to point B for sure, because now part
Speaker 5: of the leverage they have is you look disloyal, You
Speaker 5: look like you're signing with Elon. If you continue to
Speaker 5: publicly make all of the create this public movement, this
Speaker 5: public campaign against BBB, you look like you're siding with
Speaker 5: Elon Musk over Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what some of the MAGA people, including I
Speaker 2: don't know if Steve Bannon has come out and said this,
Speaker 2: but allude to the fact that basically their view is
Speaker 2: Elon is effectively trying to effectuate some sort of a coup,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, and look fair enough when he's
Speaker 2: tweeting like impeach the guy and put it install Janie
Speaker 2: Vans instead, like he's kind of announcing his intentions there.
Speaker 2: So fair, But you know, Bannon is going all in,
Speaker 2: going very hard in the paint in ways that I
Speaker 2: really can't particularly disagree with. So let's go ahead and
Speaker 2: take a listen to a little bit of what he's
Speaker 2: been saying Trump should do in response to these books
Speaker 2: by Elon.
Speaker 7: He's a no at all. He knows some engineering, don't
Speaker 7: get me wrong. I give ahead tip for that, but
Speaker 7: he doesn't know anything about the real world.
Speaker 8: Doge was for any boys this exist, Well, you're wrapping
Speaker 8: up in your cape tonight.
Speaker 7: Understand on Doge, he didn't And any fraud. There's plenty
Speaker 7: of fraud out there in front.
Speaker 8: This is President Trump's first complaint was this all bs
Speaker 8: right with the with with the Doge?
Speaker 7: The action should that President Trump should be taking immediately.
Speaker 8: I think when he threatens to take one of the
Speaker 8: big programs out of SpaceX. President Trump tonight should sign
Speaker 8: an executive order calling for the Defensive Production Act to
Speaker 8: be called in SpaceX and sees SpaceX tonight before midnight.
Speaker 2: Sees SpaceX tonight before midnight. And look, I think SpaceX
Speaker 2: should be nationalized because.
Speaker 3: It really does.
Speaker 2: This whole situation really does illustrate two things. Number one,
Speaker 2: the fact that you have Trump operating like this, you know,
Speaker 2: benana republic dictator who will pull your contracts if you
Speaker 2: disobey him, and you know, weaponizing the federal government. Everyone
Speaker 2: just like accepts that's the way he's operating. But number two,
Speaker 2: that you have this oligarch who runs this monopoly that
Speaker 2: our country in significant ways actually truly is dependent on.
Speaker 2: So ban and identify, you know, pretty instinctively what even
Speaker 2: though Trump has a much stronger hand to play here,
Speaker 2: that there are weaknesses that Musk is you know, is
Speaker 2: in position to exploit because of having this gigantic monopoly
Speaker 2: that is so significant in terms of you know, communications
Speaker 2: with the satellites, with the space program. And so he's saying, listen,
Speaker 2: you can't let him, you can't let him continue to
Speaker 2: have these choice because he will use them against you. You
Speaker 2: got to pull the pin on this right away tonight.
Speaker 5: So that's why I also, well, I was gonna say
Speaker 5: that's why I also predicted a more muted divorce. I mean,
Speaker 5: I agreed with everyone that a divorce was coming, but like,
Speaker 5: the stakes here unbelievable. And I think that's why Politico
Speaker 5: is reporting that they have a call scheduled for today
Speaker 5: because you know, despite this kinetic breakup is kinetic like
Speaker 5: war that we're they're in right now, they have so
Speaker 5: both of them have so much on the line to
Speaker 5: be throwing accusations about Epstein on the internet at each
Speaker 5: other like a bunch of teenage boys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to be Starlink is the one that is the
Speaker 6: real threat to sovereignty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed like that, Well, think.
Speaker 6: Of what how he used it communication.
Speaker 3: Think of how he used it with Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Like, regardless of what you think about you know, the
Speaker 2: Ukraine Warren, whether it was sorry decision or not, he
Speaker 2: was like, I don't want you attacking Crimea, so you
Speaker 2: are not going to have access to starlink in Crimea
Speaker 2: and the Ukrainians really significantly depend on Starlink for comms,
Speaker 2: and you know, like it's I saw a stat I
Speaker 2: think something like ninety percent of the weight that's been
Speaker 2: shot up into space via you know, satellites has come
Speaker 2: from SpaceX. They have really taken the lead in terms of,
Speaker 2: you know, we've we decided and this was really a
Speaker 2: kind of Obama error decision to outsource our own capacity,
Speaker 2: our own space capacity, to the private sector, and Elon
Speaker 2: has become the primary you know, beneficiary and contractor in
Speaker 2: that world. And so you know, that's not only these
Speaker 2: whimsical flights of fantasy in terms of We're going to
Speaker 2: colonize Mars, but more immediately, it is that that like
Speaker 2: communications backbone that is incredibly important and he right now
Speaker 2: has control over. So Bannon, you know, immediately is like
Speaker 2: you got to you got to do something about this
Speaker 2: because this is a weakness that he could exploit.
Speaker 6: Although if the US is going to start nationalizing companies,
Speaker 6: I think they've first they've got to win the confidence
Speaker 6: of the American people that they can actually run them. First,
Speaker 6: you got to like get your air traffic controler towers working,
Speaker 6: like the do the basic stuff that we could do
Speaker 6: in the nineteen seventies, yeah, effectively, and then we'll talk
Speaker 6: about going to space again.
Speaker 2: I have some more Bannon here for us to react to,
Speaker 2: because I do think the things he has to say
Speaker 2: are pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, let me go ahead and put this out.
Speaker 2: But he's, you know, and he's been critical of Elon
Speaker 2: the whole time, and at times pretty viciously critical of
Speaker 2: Elon because Elon is this, you know, has this like,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, evil transm like anti human ideology that
Speaker 2: you know, Bannon also sees that way. In any case,
Speaker 2: let's take a listen to how he talks about this dispute.
Speaker 7: Elon Musk is working for himself.
Speaker 8: President Trump empowered him more than anyone's ever been empowered
Speaker 8: in this government, had his back, promoted this guy. And
Speaker 8: when people like me who said you're making a mistake, right,
Speaker 8: this is a bad guy. He's going to turn on you.
Speaker 8: He's not with us. He's also totally incompetent. And President
Speaker 8: Trump said, hey, give this guy a shot. And I
Speaker 8: trust President Trump's judgment and often say, as people know,
Speaker 8: I backed off a little, right now, if I packed
Speaker 8: off a little, but.
Speaker 7: It's not about observation.
Speaker 8: As soon as he didn't think he ran the deal
Speaker 8: or got the adoration right that he was starting to
Speaker 8: be saying, where's.
Speaker 7: The tree in dollars? Right? He turned on President Trump,
Speaker 7: but most importantly he turned on the country and the
Speaker 7: American people.
Speaker 8: And President Trump just had enough of it now and
Speaker 8: he forced his way back in to have like some
Speaker 8: last day.
Speaker 7: They didn't want to do that, but fine.
Speaker 8: And then as soon as President Trump comes out today
Speaker 8: and President Trump saying it in the nicest way possible
Speaker 8: about right the bill, but being banged back, the guy
Speaker 8: gets up and start the most vicious stuff you could tweet.
Speaker 7: So all the fanboys defend this.
Speaker 8: He accused President Trump and basically being to a group
Speaker 8: with those of pedophiles on the island. He called for
Speaker 8: he called for the president to be impeached and JD.
Speaker 7: Vance to take his role.
Speaker 8: As hard as we've worked in all the years that
Speaker 8: we've walked in, this audience's works on. Punk is going
Speaker 8: to sit there and go he's always should be impeached.
Speaker 8: And hey, as sure as the turning of the earth,
Speaker 8: if those progressors rub up on him and say, hey,
Speaker 8: they're never gonna buy the they're never going to buy
Speaker 8: the Tesla's where they're going to buy the Tesla's they
Speaker 8: rub up on him, He'll write a five hundred million
Speaker 8: dollar check for a king Jefferies. He'll be across the
Speaker 8: thing looking to impeach President Trump, looking to help steal
Speaker 8: the twenty eight election.
Speaker 7: Look into a prison President Trump. So here's my point,
Speaker 7: let's get ahead of it.
Speaker 2: So those progresses, Ryan, they rub up on him. He'll
Speaker 2: be there with his five don't and they're already rubbing
Speaker 2: up on him.
Speaker 3: Glacias. Yeah, Rocanna out there ready to rub up on him.
Speaker 6: So and he's he's saying, you might get ahead of it.
Speaker 6: Then he says, he says, we should deport him and
Speaker 6: see his companies. I mean, Bannon does not play around.
Speaker 6: He's he's laying down. He's laying down a marker.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And yesterday I was saying that there was this he
Speaker 6: was on stage where somebody on stage with him like
Speaker 6: joked or admitted that they kind of like came in illegally.
Speaker 6: That was with his brother apparently, and his he told
Speaker 6: his brother like, what are you doing?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 6: Like it's not cool to like admit to that. So yeah,
Speaker 6: like Steve, Steve Miller is looking through the file as
Speaker 6: we speak, no doubt about it. And there's no question
Speaker 6: Miller has ordered up a has requested, like, let me
Speaker 6: take a closer look at that file. Was he going
Speaker 6: to do anything with it?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Is he looking? You better believe it.
Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, here's the what you're referring to.
Speaker 2: Bannon says they should initiate a formal investigation of Elon's
Speaker 2: immigration status. I am of the strong belief he's an
Speaker 2: illegal alien. He should be deported from the country immediately,
Speaker 2: he said in a phone interview. Bannon said the Trump
Speaker 2: administration should also investigate Musk's drug use and his effort
Speaker 2: to get a classified briefing on China from the Pentagon,
Speaker 2: which was reported by The Times. Bannon said musks security
Speaker 2: clearance should be suspended during those investigations. And you know
Speaker 2: the other thing that I was thinking about, and I
Speaker 2: saw an article this morning that the Doge boys are
Speaker 2: kind of freaking out about what their status is going
Speaker 2: to be in the government now because Elon does.
Speaker 6: Have in all of I feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big balls, it's all on the line. But Elon
Speaker 2: does have this like hand picked cadre of loyalists who
Speaker 2: are now installed in key positions all throughout the government,
Speaker 2: sleeper cells, deep State, United way.
Speaker 3: Throughout the government.
Speaker 2: Who I mean, we're joking, but these are people who
Speaker 2: have explicitly when they came in, they aggressively sought access
Speaker 2: to these incredibly sensitive systems, and we have very little
Speaker 2: insight or transparency into who they are, where they are,
Speaker 2: what they've been doing, what they have access to, et cetera. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, that is another thing that Elon potentially has
Speaker 2: because those are people who, you know, most of the
Speaker 2: installed you know, the people have been installed in the
Speaker 2: Trump administration, most of them are Trump loyalists, but these
Speaker 2: ones were picked to be Elon loyalists, and they are
Speaker 2: now like you know, embedded throughout key infrastructure in the government.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And but just a couple of weeks ago, Elon must
Speaker 5: said Doze is now a way of life. When he
Speaker 5: was leaving, he said that dose is now a way
Speaker 5: of life in the government and.
Speaker 4: That it's so what are these people's jobs?
Speaker 5: Right, Because basically there was this idea that it was
Speaker 5: DOJE was gonna kind of be under the direction of
Speaker 5: russ vote, but it wasn't really going to be doged
Speaker 5: so much as it was going to be just an
Speaker 5: administration wide effort to make significant cuts to the administrative
Speaker 5: agencies while they have the power of the executive and
Speaker 5: to try to thwart those agencies from ever regenerating to.
Speaker 4: Their previous size.
Speaker 5: If you know, there's not a Republican president in the
Speaker 5: next four years whatever, So what are their jobs now
Speaker 5: because they actually do work for the government.
Speaker 4: Are there going to be a wave of people? Is
Speaker 4: there going to be a wave of people who moved
Speaker 4: to Washington, d c.
Speaker 5: From wherever they were Silicon Valleys previously?
Speaker 4: Where do they end up?
Speaker 5: I mean, are they just going to quit or are
Speaker 5: they going to cooperate with, for example, the efforts at
Speaker 5: the State Department, which now oversees USAID to keep.
Speaker 4: Working to figure out what that looks like in the future.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think we have a good
Speaker 4: answer to that question.
Speaker 5: And some of it may be hinging on the call
Speaker 5: that Trump and mustcap today.
Speaker 2: Well if they have, I mean, Trump is saying that's
Speaker 2: not happening, yeah, but who knows, he could be lying.
Speaker 3: We don't know what he said.
Speaker 4: The hijin ping call was yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 4: goes on.
Speaker 3: Who knows? I will say.
Speaker 2: Also Elon was sort of backing off some online too,
Speaker 2: you know, some like small full one hundred follower account
Speaker 2: or whatever, was like, you guys are both better than this,
Speaker 2: and Elon was like, you're right, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: decommission the Dragon space grubbage for the one that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, we use for the International Space Station. I
Speaker 2: think that's the one or whatever. But in any case,
Speaker 2: so he was also trying to somewhat moderate, so maybe
Speaker 2: there's some sort of reconciliation. I'll just say Media Benjamin
Speaker 2: is waiting to get in, so we'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: move on to to talk to her about their activism.
Speaker 2: But I'll just say, neither of these men are known
Speaker 2: for like discipline or self restraint, even that even when
Speaker 2: it would be in their potential best interest. So you know,
Speaker 2: I would fully personally, I would fully expect, even if
Speaker 2: there is a bit of a like calmbing of the
Speaker 2: waters for the moment and a bit of a Dayton,
Speaker 2: that there could be renewed flare ups at any point
Speaker 2: in time.
Speaker 3: Because that's just who these who these guys are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2: All right, let me go ahead and welcome media in here. Hi, Medea,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 9: Good morning? I'm good, Thank you morning.
Speaker 3: Nice to see you you know Ryan and Emily.
Speaker 9: Of course, yes, hello Ryan, Emily.
Speaker 5: Can I tell a quick story Crystal before we dive in, Yes,
Speaker 5: of course, so media. When I was in college, I
Speaker 5: was an intern at the American Enterprise Institute, and we
Speaker 5: used to have I.
Speaker 4: Used to I used to have to work the desk.
Speaker 4: So I used to have to work the desk to
Speaker 4: take phone calls. And there was a.
Speaker 5: Sticker of people not to let into a e I
Speaker 5: and your name was on.
Speaker 3: It, Yes, absolute badge of honor.
Speaker 6: Who else was on there?
Speaker 5: I don't remember, I don't remember. I think it was
Speaker 5: like a handful of code pink people.
Speaker 3: So awesome.
Speaker 2: Love that love, that testament to your effectiveness and your
Speaker 2: longtime commitment to peace and not war. And we wanted
Speaker 2: to catch up with you guys have been doing, you know,
Speaker 2: extraordinary number of actions and quite significant. Also wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to you a little bit about the flotilla, the
Speaker 2: AID flotilla right now headed to Gaza, because I knew
Speaker 2: you were supposed to be on one previously.
Speaker 3: But first of all, let me let me pull up here.
Speaker 2: You all just did an action at Representative Randy Fines
Speaker 2: office and for people who are unawares. He is, this
Speaker 2: newly elected Florida Republican who called for Gaza to be
Speaker 2: nuked on Fox News, in addition to saying all sorts
Speaker 2: of other just outrageous and atrocious things that anyone would
Speaker 2: think would be completely out of bounds, but somehow goes
Speaker 2: with barely a note in today's climate. So let me
Speaker 2: go ahead and pull up here a little bit of
Speaker 2: the video of you all, you know, entering Randy Fine's
Speaker 2: office and what you had to say.
Speaker 9: You were not here before one of the two people
Speaker 9: with this.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on. That was a different action that
Speaker 2: you guys did. Let me find it.
Speaker 6: Well, madea tells yeah, while she's looking for it, you
Speaker 6: want to tell you the only thing about the latest
Speaker 6: on the flotilla and we can come back.
Speaker 9: Well, it's getting close. You probably heard about the incident,
Speaker 9: you know, where they took these four people on board
Speaker 9: and then fish.
Speaker 6: Fish fished some refugees out of the.
Speaker 7: Water, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they went a little bit out of their way.
Speaker 9: Now they're back on track and they're headed towards Gaza. Uh.
Speaker 9: You know, having somebody like reda Turnberg on board makes
Speaker 9: it very difficult for the Israelis. But what they have
Speaker 9: done in the past is board the ships and confiscate
Speaker 9: the ship and arrest everybody on board, uh and deport them.
Speaker 9: So that might be what they're thinking now. Of course
Speaker 9: they've done worse than that, like they did in the
Speaker 9: month of Marmara in twenty ten and actually killed people.
Speaker 9: And you know they did bomb the ships well with
Speaker 9: drones the ship that was supposed to be going the
Speaker 9: larger ship that was going to carry about one hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty people.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was able to pull up that video or reference
Speaker 2: before of you all at Randy Fine's office. So let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and play some of us.
Speaker 9: So get ready with us as we go into the
Speaker 9: office of Congressman Randy Fine.
Speaker 10: That's the most bigoted, painful member of Congress as Palestinian.
Speaker 11: Look, would I have to stand up here and show
Speaker 11: you they're here in Randy Vine's office because we're very
Speaker 11: concerned about this rhetoric about Palestinians and other groups. And
Speaker 11: I am a Palestinian, a mother of four children, I'm
Speaker 11: an American citizen. All my children are American citizens, and
Speaker 11: we're walking around hearing this kind of rhetoric. It's scary
Speaker 11: it's nice kind of example.
Speaker 10: Are you giving us to people in the United States too?
Speaker 3: We're all responsible here.
Speaker 11: Will not look kindly hashtag starve away congressman who says
Speaker 11: such a thing Goza.
Speaker 10: Must be destroyed. I've been to Gaza six times. I've
Speaker 10: seen the wonderful people that live in Gaza. People at
Speaker 10: Gaza are two point two million people. They are families,
Speaker 10: their children, they're women, there are men, there are ordinary
Speaker 10: people just like us. And to say Gaza must be
Speaker 10: destroyed is a policy that we are now doing, and
Speaker 10: we have been doing now for nineteen months.
Speaker 2: And so Medea, what sort of reaction did you get
Speaker 2: from the office when you were there and what was
Speaker 2: your goal also to accomplish with this action.
Speaker 9: Well, we don't think that Randy Fine has gotten enough attention.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, if any member of Congress from
Speaker 9: the Democratic side, like Rashida Tali barill han Omer had
Speaker 9: said one of the things that he said, they would
Speaker 9: not only be censored, I'm sure there would be howls
Speaker 9: to kick them out of Congress. This is just disgusting
Speaker 9: stuff that he said, and the American people don't really know.
Speaker 9: So we wanted to highlight it more and you know,
Speaker 9: we're always trying to reach people in his district as well,
Speaker 9: so that they start calling him and saying this is
Speaker 9: just unacceptable. And I think it was quite interesting because
Speaker 9: they hesitated in calling the police. And I think that's
Speaker 9: perhaps because he's new and his staff doesn't quite know
Speaker 9: the ropes.
Speaker 4: But they don't yet.
Speaker 3: They don't have the sticker up with.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, they do keep their office locked. You
Speaker 9: have to knock to come in, and they say, oh,
Speaker 9: you know, we get death threats, and we're saying, hey,
Speaker 9: if you didn't put a hashtag starve away, bomb away,
Speaker 9: shoot away, I don't think people would be so mad
Speaker 9: at you. But the staff did listen to us, and
Speaker 9: not only that, they did give us a meeting later
Speaker 9: in the day. So we had about a half an
Speaker 9: hour sit down with some of the staff, which was
Speaker 9: quite interesting, and we've asked for a meeting directly with
Speaker 9: Randy find himself. So I just think it's an example
Speaker 9: of how we shouldn't let these things go by. We
Speaker 9: should contact these members of Congress. We should say that
Speaker 9: this is just not acceptable. We should be asking other
Speaker 9: members of Congress to censor them, which we have done.
Speaker 9: We file ethics complaints constantly against these members of Congress.
Speaker 9: I must say, we almost never hear back anything, and
Speaker 9: when we do it's just, you know, thank you very much.
Speaker 9: But again it's we shouldn't let it go by.
Speaker 6: What was the staff meeting?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 9: The staff meeting was good. It was from the communications department.
Speaker 9: They wanted to hear from us more. We asked them
Speaker 9: if they think this kind of rhetoric doesn't translate into
Speaker 9: threats against not only Palestinians and Muslims, but Jewish people
Speaker 9: as well, and isn't this harmful? Well, they said that,
Speaker 9: you know, they had a lot of the standard things.
Speaker 9: One of the women there was saying that she was
Speaker 9: recently graduate from university and how Jewish students are not safe,
Speaker 9: and this rise in anti Semitism is something that Randy
Speaker 9: Fine is trying to deal with, and of course we say, well,
Speaker 9: he's dealing with it in the exact opposite way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: They just kept saying he's trying to defend the Jewish
Speaker 9: people and of course defend Israel. I can't say that
Speaker 9: we moved them. But later on in the afternoon, there
Speaker 9: was somebody who I can't identify, but he came by
Speaker 9: and quietly said to us, thank you so much for
Speaker 9: coming by the office. We really like this kind of
Speaker 9: language and know that there are people inside all of
Speaker 9: these offices, and you know, we hear this constantly. It's unbelievable,
Speaker 9: certainly from the younger people. We hear it. We hear
Speaker 9: it from the front desk staff people, we hear it
Speaker 9: from the cafeteria workers, hear it from the people cleaning up.
Speaker 9: So you know, that's why we're in the offices every
Speaker 9: single day, because we think just our presence there is important.
Speaker 5: And that's what I wanted to ask by because I
Speaker 5: find that so interesting. I mean, Tucker Carlson just spent
Speaker 5: a not insignificant portion of one of his shows trashing
Speaker 5: Randy Fine, and we've covered a lot of polling about
Speaker 5: the disconnect between younger and older right leaning Americans on
Speaker 5: the question of Israel in Gaza, and so Midia, I'm
Speaker 5: curious how your or what you've noticed over time as
Speaker 5: you've been doing this having conversations with people who are
Speaker 5: at least formerly very associated with the neo conservative wing.
Speaker 5: Probably still are, but maybe their's staff isn't. Are you
Speaker 5: noticing something different in the last couple of years or
Speaker 5: is that just a lot of talk like what have
Speaker 5: you seen?
Speaker 9: Emily? You're right, it's absolutely changed. I mean, first is
Speaker 9: the generational divide. We see it constantly. It's very unusual.
Speaker 9: In fact, that young women that I mentioned about Randy Fimes,
Speaker 9: she was unusual in that she really stuck so much
Speaker 9: to this. You know, Israel is right. We find that
Speaker 9: not only is there a generational divide, people of color
Speaker 9: versus white people divide. You know, it is much more
Speaker 9: sympathetic among the black members of Congress, not the members,
Speaker 9: the staff people, certainly the Muslim ones, but also the Latinos.
Speaker 9: You find a lot of support among Latinos. And then
Speaker 9: in terms of the Congress people themselves changing well, of course,
Speaker 9: you know, we have seen this ever so slowly. I
Speaker 9: was in Tom Massey's office yesterday and actually met him
Speaker 9: and he said, I'm sure you love my tweet, didn't you,
Speaker 9: in which he said for Israel?
Speaker 3: And I said, oh, was significant, Yeah.
Speaker 9: It was significant. But you know, we said, you've got
Speaker 9: to be working with other members of your party. We
Speaker 9: need a breakaway moment for Republicans. You know, we have
Speaker 9: about twenty five Democrats who have introduced a new resolution
Speaker 9: to block the bombs and that was started by Delhia
Speaker 9: Ramirez with a number of great members of Congress. We
Speaker 9: need something like that on the Republican side. And because
Speaker 9: it's so divisive politically, even Republicans like Tom Massey or
Speaker 9: Marjorie Tayler Green, they don't want to sign on anything
Speaker 9: that comes from the Democrats. So we tell them start
Speaker 9: your own. And we've been focusing a lot on Republicans
Speaker 9: going to their offices every single day, and sometimes in
Speaker 9: a more aggressive way like Randy Fine, and sometimes in
Speaker 9: a very respectful, nice way. And we have made some
Speaker 9: good relationships and those offices. So we're just waiting for
Speaker 9: the moment where they finally will break away. And you know,
Speaker 9: we say to them, Trump is counting on you to
Speaker 9: support him in the dialogue with Iran UH and Trump
Speaker 9: doesn't want to see a continuation of these wars, and
Speaker 9: so you can really be helpful. We kind of, you know,
Speaker 9: swallow deep when we go and.
Speaker 2: I gotta do what you gotta do. But what there
Speaker 2: what have you seen in terms of like public support
Speaker 2: for Code Pink and number of volunteers for these actions.
Speaker 2: You know, what is the sort of EBB and flow
Speaker 2: of that beIN.
Speaker 9: Well, it's just been going up and up and up
Speaker 9: and up. I mean that among younger people, people who
Speaker 9: are not US citizens, it's harder for them to join us,
Speaker 9: and they tell us all the time, we wish we
Speaker 9: could be there with you, but we're concerned about everything
Speaker 9: that you can imagine, their jobs and student loans, everything.
Speaker 9: So it falls to a smaller number of people to
Speaker 9: do it, but we have a great group of people
Speaker 9: and it changes. We get new people constantly who go
Speaker 9: around with us in the halls every day, making the visits,
Speaker 9: doing the rounds, bringing in the latest piece of legislation,
Speaker 9: asking them to sign on to it, asking them to
Speaker 9: put out public statements condemning things like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
Speaker 9: And in terms of the support, it's unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 9: members of Code Pink we walk around in the streets
Speaker 9: and people will stop their cars to get out and
Speaker 9: give us hugs. We are constantly getting thanks from people,
Speaker 9: and it's going up and up and up, And I
Speaker 9: think it's this starvation that people just can't stand. They've
Speaker 9: unfortunately gotten used to the bombings with seeing that for
Speaker 9: nineteen months, but now the starvation and that is something
Speaker 9: I think that's hard for the members of con to
Speaker 9: justify as well. Of course, you know they try to
Speaker 9: say it's Hamas and moss stealing the food and that
Speaker 9: kind of stuff, but you know, it doesn't really pass
Speaker 9: the what the what test?
Speaker 3: What the smell test? Will say any jazz.
Speaker 9: So, yes, we're getting more.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you saw this, but about an
Speaker 6: hour ago I reported that next week Congress will be
Speaker 6: voting on a resolution that will be standard resolution condemning
Speaker 6: the terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, but embedded in it
Speaker 6: it said, it will deem that the phrase free Palestine.
Speaker 6: And let me put this up here, the phrase free
Speaker 6: Palestine is an anti Semitic slogan. So let's see. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's an anti Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction
Speaker 6: of the State of Israel and the Jewish people. So yeah,
Speaker 6: whereas while shouting free Palestine an anti Semitic slogan. So
Speaker 6: you've seen these resolutions a lot before that it'll say,
Speaker 6: you know, we condemn this, you know, truly awful thing,
Speaker 6: and then they embed within it something that they're trying
Speaker 6: to trap democrats and everybody else into into agreeing with
Speaker 6: and in this case, it's it's to agree that the
Speaker 6: phrase free Palestine is actually an anti Semitic slogan. How
Speaker 6: do you think that'll go? Like, do they still have
Speaker 6: the juice that they can ram this through? Are people
Speaker 6: still too afraid of voting no and being told how
Speaker 6: dare you not condemn this terrorist attack?
Speaker 9: Well? Yes, you see how sneaky they are. But I
Speaker 9: think you know, this kind of thing is just played
Speaker 9: out too much and doesn't have any weight anymore. It's
Speaker 9: just a ridiculous thing to do. And many times we've
Speaker 9: seen that some of these worse resolutions don't even pass,
Speaker 9: and then if they do pass, you know, they don't
Speaker 9: have the weight of law. And as soon as we
Speaker 9: hear something like that from you, Ryan and thank you
Speaker 9: for alerting us, you know, we'll go into Congress and
Speaker 9: we'll just be going from room to room shouting free Palestine,
Speaker 9: Free Palestine. So this kind of thing can is another
Speaker 9: scare tactic, but I think we're way beyond.
Speaker 5: That, and one that maybe since you just talked to
Speaker 5: people like Thomas Massey who have been against that, MEDEA
Speaker 5: will be blocked by enough Republicans.
Speaker 4: I'm curious what you think about.
Speaker 9: That, Yes, as long as they know what they're voting for,
Speaker 9: and that we have to make sure they do. I mean,
Speaker 9: we see people like Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, who
Speaker 9: doesn't want to vote for these kinds of things, and
Speaker 9: so you know, we go to her office and we
Speaker 9: alert them, we go to the other offices. But you're right,
Speaker 9: I think there's enough Republicans that'll say, you know, this,
Speaker 9: this is.
Speaker 6: Just although there are probably enough Democrats to push it
Speaker 6: over the top. But the first person I noticed one
Speaker 6: after I reported it, the first person that responded to
Speaker 6: it was a bandoned person who tagged Marjorie Taylor Green, Oh,
Speaker 6: interesting thing, help us out here.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Interesting What some members do on these is they just
Speaker 6: vote present because then they're not endorsing it one way
Speaker 6: or the other, just to say this is a game
Speaker 6: and I'm not going to participate in it, right, And.
Speaker 9: I think you know that these kinds of things, they're
Speaker 9: just losing their power. And I feel like APAC is
Speaker 9: losing its power. APAC doesn't have the power to get
Speaker 9: to the president into the White House. APAX certainly, you know,
Speaker 9: I'm not saying they don't have tremendous power. But I
Speaker 9: don't feel like they can ram through things like this
Speaker 9: the way they used to be able to, because there
Speaker 9: are a couple of Republicans who are standing up of so, No,
Speaker 9: the tide is turning so so so slowly, but it
Speaker 9: is turning.
Speaker 3: Media.
Speaker 2: What about on the Democratic side, I mean, on the
Speaker 2: one hand, you have more dissent from the lockstep pro
Speaker 2: Israel consensus and pro genocide consensus.
Speaker 3: On the Democratic side.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, you have I think a much
Speaker 2: vaster gulf between where the elected Democrats are and where
Speaker 2: the bases. I mean, the base of the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: has basically wholesale turned on this.
Speaker 3: Onslaught in Gaza are disgusted with that.
Speaker 2: They don't want weapons going, they want it to end,
Speaker 2: they want aid to go in et cetera. And so
Speaker 2: have you seen a shift among Democratic members as well
Speaker 2: in the way that they're the way that they're interacting
Speaker 2: with you, the way that they're feeling about how they
Speaker 2: should approach these issues.
Speaker 9: Well, as I said earlier, I think the starvation issue
Speaker 9: has really changed things. I think it has made it very,
Speaker 9: very uncomfortable for these pro Israel Democrats to be sticking
Speaker 9: with the line that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is the
Speaker 9: way to go. That anra's full of Hamas supporters, and
Speaker 9: we couldn't possibly go with that. You know, we have
Speaker 9: been pushing that Democrats have to support the United Nations.
Speaker 9: Now that we have Mark Rubio sanctioning the ICC, and
Speaker 9: now that we have this just dystopian form of quote
Speaker 9: getting food into Gaza, I think it's a chance now
Speaker 9: for getting some more of these more conservative Democrats to
Speaker 9: go back to saying we have to support the UN agencies.
Speaker 9: You know, maybe they don't want to say unrust specifically,
Speaker 9: but you know, we have the World Food Program and
Speaker 9: Cindy McCain has been so good on these issues of
Speaker 9: saying that Hamas is not stealing the aid. So I
Speaker 9: think this gives us a little more opening to reach
Speaker 9: some of those conservative Democrats at least on this issue
Speaker 9: of starving people is not something that the US can support.
Speaker 9: And then there's also you know, the issue of a
Speaker 9: season fire, which is really not there's not a vehicle
Speaker 9: within Congress to show support for a ceasefire right now. Yeah,
Speaker 9: that's the vehicles for the food issue. And now this
Speaker 9: issue about banning some weapons. But we definitely need need
Speaker 9: to bring back up the ceasefire. And that's tough for
Speaker 9: Democrats because you know, they see this now in the
Speaker 9: Republican court and it's up to Trump to figure this out,
Speaker 9: and they don't want to be seen as pushing him
Speaker 9: on the ceasefire issue.
Speaker 2: Madia, do you get still get like personally nervous when
Speaker 2: you're gonna jump up on stage or jump up in
Speaker 2: an audience or go into member of Congress's office and
Speaker 2: be like stop supporting genocide? Like do you have you
Speaker 2: done it so many times that you don't get nervous
Speaker 2: for these sorts of things because sometimes, I mean, you've
Speaker 2: been roughed up, like you've been, you know, arrested, I'm
Speaker 2: sure countless times. Is it intimidating to you still or
Speaker 2: you just kind of it's just your day.
Speaker 9: Well, the only thing I get nervous us about is
Speaker 9: that I've had a broken shoulder and it's a bad shoulder.
Speaker 9: It hurts all the time. And that's exactly where they
Speaker 9: take you to arrest you. And if they're going to
Speaker 9: be a very tough way, you know that can have
Speaker 9: a longer term consequences. So that's the thing that makes
Speaker 9: me nervous. I don't get nervous going into congressional offices.
Speaker 9: And I want people listening to know that the vast
Speaker 9: majority of our time we're going into progressional offices to
Speaker 9: have nice meetings, and we want people to come and
Speaker 9: join us and not be afraid that you're going to
Speaker 9: get arrested. And we need more people, so please come
Speaker 9: join us. When we are do thing something about arrests,
Speaker 9: it's usually because we are taking an extra going an
Speaker 9: extra step and challenging them. If it's in a setting
Speaker 9: where there is a lot of security around, and do
Speaker 9: you think you're going to get roughed up? That yeah,
Speaker 9: that is what makes me nervous. There was a group
Speaker 9: of doctors against genocide that was in Congress last week
Speaker 9: and they were considering maybe risking arrest, but they decided
Speaker 9: it wasn't worth it and had been given warnings that
Speaker 9: they were protesting by walking around in the lobby of
Speaker 9: the Heartbuilding with a couple of them with photos of
Speaker 9: starving children. And when they were given their third warning,
Speaker 9: they started walking out the door and maybe saying something
Speaker 9: like bread not bombs, and seven of the doctors got arrested.
Speaker 9: So the police in the Congress are really ready to
Speaker 9: pounce on people. So we want to make sure that
Speaker 9: people who go with us who don't want to get
Speaker 9: arrested are very much aware of when you are risking
Speaker 9: and when you're not.
Speaker 2: Medea, how can people help out join up, participate in
Speaker 2: one of your actions.
Speaker 9: Well, thank you for asking that, because there are so
Speaker 9: many ways that people can and need to participate. If
Speaker 9: you're in the DC area, or can even come here
Speaker 9: for a few days, or take your vacation time or
Speaker 9: your student recess time, come and join us in Washington,
Speaker 9: d C. And we are in the halls of Congress
Speaker 9: every day, definitely Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursdays, which are the
Speaker 9: days that they are in session. And you can sign
Speaker 9: up on the code Pink website under DC Actions to
Speaker 9: learn more about that. But more important for people all
Speaker 9: over the country is to just get involved with Code pink.
Speaker 9: Go to our website. We have very very creative actions
Speaker 9: that we have been coming up with and asking people
Speaker 9: to do. You asked about involvement. I mean, we now
Speaker 9: have so many people involved, and it's the power of
Speaker 9: the people that counteracts the power of APEX. So please
Speaker 9: go to code pink dot org and join us in
Speaker 9: any way that you can. We also have many many chaptors,
Speaker 9: I should say, and so there might be a chapter
Speaker 9: in your city.
Speaker 2: Amazing Medea, so much respect for you and it's always
Speaker 2: an honor to get to talk to you.
Speaker 3: So thank you so much.
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our pleasure, and thank you guys for watching
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