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Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 4: Fred and I usually anchor the parade coverage from right here,

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Speaker 4: and I've never been to.

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Speaker 3: One parade.

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Speaker 5: A pu duck boat.

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Speaker 4: They did, but we're just not on it.

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Speaker 5: Who's on its scaloy we're working.

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Speaker 6: I was on the boat.

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Speaker 4: The Boston area in general, in all four sports, I

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Speaker 4: think they sometimes have a hard time attracting high end

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Speaker 6: But I think it's more also, like in those places

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Speaker 6: there's other celebrities.

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Speaker 3: You've got Keith Lockhart.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand how it gets such a bad specially

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Speaker 7: if it's not that cold, like grow up.

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Speaker 3: I mean Bobby Splaine, I think, yeah, Bobby, you know,

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Speaker 3: he seems like he's ready to do it. Today.

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Speaker 6: He looked like a company guy of the polo.

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Speaker 3: You see all these guys guys come up and they they.

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Speaker 4: The guy who organized it for the team.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's like, why did't the guy from Food and

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Speaker 6: Paiale guy?

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Speaker 3: Different voice obviously, he reminds me a little bit of

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Speaker 3: the leading Mam.

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Speaker 8: I never got to talk to Sly, but uh.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 3: at chi Letts Stadium, and boy do we have a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about. It's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul,

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Speaker 3: it's me, it's Matt Nabooth and Deuce, you have riled

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Speaker 3: up Patriots Nation like I've never seen it riled up

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Speaker 3: before with your one point zero mock draft in picking

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Speaker 3: Ashton genty fourth. Overall, we're gonna get into all that.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have your come at me, bro. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have your reasoning for that. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I look forward to it. I look forward to the conversation, Evan.

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Speaker 8: Although some people, just a little some people thought I

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Speaker 8: just did it toatrol not try. I think it's a

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Speaker 8: word of the little conversation.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Talked about it, and I'm gonna not that if I

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Speaker 3: I would make. But I get your reasoning and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to back you up here. I'm going to back

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Speaker 3: you up. I don't think i'd have the nerve to

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Speaker 3: make that pick, but I'm not saying it would be

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Speaker 3: a bad pick that makes any.

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Speaker 8: Sense, I understand. I think it's going to be a fun,

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Speaker 8: fun discussion.

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Speaker 3: Passionate. All Right, what else we got? What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Patrid's nation tat mcmillon's running forties.

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Speaker 5: Almost he got under four to six.

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Speaker 4: Huh under four six, which is highly in question.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's well. Yesterday Jordan Schultz reports four four eight.

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Speaker 6: And you know, this is kind of the reason why

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Speaker 6: people get annoyed with Jordan Schultz because he comes out

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Speaker 6: then the real time start trickling in from everybody else

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Speaker 6: that isn't his agent or whatever, and it's four four five,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that there's a little bit of

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Speaker 6: Well, this is smoke screen season now. Now we're in

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Speaker 6: as this time of year. And I there's no trades yet,

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Speaker 3: To but but see that's my point. If they would

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Speaker 6: I don't think anybody thinks he's that good, right, And

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Speaker 8: I feel like when they kind of knew they wanted

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Speaker 4: So I think it's I'm with Fred. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't think they want them. I think the Patriots

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Speaker 8: That's the goods And I think Fred is right.

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Speaker 4: I think they're trying to.

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Speaker 3: Hold Yeah, if you believe that, if you believe in

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Speaker 3: is no there is no trade offer that would make

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Speaker 3: you trade down. You've got the guy. They don't think

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Speaker 6: Well, just in comparison at the combine, the Bears gave

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Speaker 6: as well in that draft. There was no question that

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Speaker 6: that was who they were picking. Now, the networks and

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Speaker 6: stuff will drum up controversy just to get clicks and

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Speaker 6: same thing, and it's true with the Patriots at four,

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Speaker 6: like who's trading up? Like if you are sitting there

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Speaker 3: And I think all of this ties in to the

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Speaker 3: if you look at best players available, Abdul Carter and

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Speaker 3: that might have a Hall of Fame future, it's Ashton Genty. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean I think like a lot of people that

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Speaker 8: I said, look, if Hunter Carter there, they sign me

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Speaker 3: But you don't think they will be.

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Speaker 5: It's I don't think they will be.

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Speaker 8: And I also don't think Tevan's point that anybody's going

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Speaker 8: So you know, for a lot of people who you

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Speaker 8: well okay, but who do you pick if not? And

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Speaker 8: I mean, Evan just came out with he just dropped

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Speaker 8: You know, clear, clear the clear the board, so to speak.

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Speaker 8: But you know, well, will Campbell great pick, but some

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I understand where you know Fred's going because

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Speaker 4: Genty at four. I don't necessarily believe in the position

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Speaker 4: is it not Will Campbell? To to Evan's point, why

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Speaker 4: why does it have to be Genty as the next

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Speaker 4: best player of the draft. Now, if that's Mike's view

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Speaker 4: don't necessarily look at Genty as like this hall of

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Speaker 4: Jeojia guys that might. I know Mike likes a lot too.

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Speaker 3: It's right, it's all a matter of who, though, do

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 4: I don't think Genty is that I personally I do now,

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Speaker 4: I just don't think he has that kind of explosiveness.

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Speaker 4: But here's where I'm going to really defend Mike and

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Speaker 4: probably irritate Evan because Evan and I are lock step

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Speaker 4: on the running back thing. But by all accounts, I

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Speaker 4: haven't really seen very many mock drafts that don't have

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Speaker 4: genty in the top ten. Somewhere in the top ten.

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Speaker 8: He went in six, and jeremiahs that he just came.

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Speaker 4: So was it really like a farce? And we're going

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Speaker 4: to get to some of the comments that Mike, you know,

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Speaker 4: to take a guy who was projected at seven at four?

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Speaker 3: Is that position?

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Speaker 4: Is that cause for like revolt?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think I think I understand. I also understand

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Speaker 3: where the Revolts coming from. They want to win today.

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Speaker 3: They who is going to help Drake May the most?

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Speaker 3: And they're looking at wide receiver and tackle. But that's

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Speaker 3: the point that I think they're overlooking what a generational

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Speaker 4: You refer to this guy in a way that I'm

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Speaker 3: Fine, okay, but an elite running back can do for

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Speaker 8: You know, I mean, that's I mean, that's part of

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Speaker 8: the argument, and I think that's something that is again

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Speaker 8: a worthwhile conversation. Who helps Drake May the most? Is

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Speaker 8: it Will Campbell is a left tackle? Probably certainly if

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Speaker 8: he's very good. Is he a left guard? Maybe a

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Speaker 3: Moves the needle.

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Speaker 5: But if you were to live in the place where

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Speaker 5: let's let's go.

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Speaker 8: Optimistic on Ashton Genty and he is that guy and

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Speaker 8: he is as good as you know, Ladanian Tomlinson is

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Speaker 5: He's a guy who can.

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Speaker 6: If going to take some five running back of all time,

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Speaker 6: right right, Just not comfortable with the description of Genty,

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Speaker 6: Like do you think Sakwan Barkley is that?

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Speaker 4: Yes, what do you do for the Giants?

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Speaker 4: I think he is what he is. Yeah, he's a

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Speaker 3: Fair point.

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Speaker 8: But I think but in some of the scouting reports,

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Speaker 8: can offset some deficiency offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the biggest thing that you know, where

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Speaker 6: I would have pushback on Genty is just you're putting

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Speaker 3: Run and run right behind Morgan Moses and when you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, and so the backside is just gonna have no

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Speaker 3: Like you build that wall behind you know how to

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Speaker 6: I don't know how to build the way.

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Speaker 8: But it still just goes back to you can't choose

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Speaker 5: And you know that's true.

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Speaker 8: Look, this is part of I mean, if this guy

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Speaker 8: I don't did anyone feel great about Ramondre Stevenson right now?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 4: But I think the bigger problem with Rominder Stevenson is

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's anything special. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: This comes down to do you think Genty's special?

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Speaker 6: But I don't think it just comes down to that though,

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Speaker 6: They did nothing for Carolina and the Giants. They did

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Speaker 6: nothing for either team and they issue quarterbacks. Okay, but

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Speaker 6: like who's he throwing to and who's protecting him? Like

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Speaker 6: he you know you have a passing offense. You can't

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Speaker 6: you know you're really your best case scenario for a

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Speaker 3: And I think this is where the outrage comes from.

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Speaker 3: The people don't think they have that infrastructure. It's just

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Speaker 8: This sounds like the same argument to me that we

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Speaker 5: You have no offensive line, right, but.

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Speaker 6: The quarterback moves the needle more than a running back

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Speaker 6: camp So like it's a more can't.

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Speaker 3: But now you have the quarterback and you're you're trying

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Speaker 4: I understand Mike's rationale. I mean, we've talked about it

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Speaker 8: Well that's I think, Like I just think this is

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Speaker 3: The point is you didn't just throw it out there

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Speaker 4: And the other part of this that that comes into it.

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Speaker 4: And Mike did the mock demented, but Mike, Mike did

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Speaker 4: more time is going on, the more people putting mock

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Speaker 4: you're taking taking one of those guys. Not not gent.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and I think we all agree.

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Speaker 4: You guys had a cut, was it Jeremiah and Hyper

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Speaker 4: surprised if that happens. I'm with you, Fred, I'm very

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Speaker 3: I would like to do a study of what the

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Speaker 10: But if you go back to the first impressions that

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Speaker 4: Guys fluctuate wildly is the draft experts, the college football

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Speaker 4: and once the NFL starts looking, that's when they fall

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Speaker 6: Unless there's something off the field going right on the player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I agree what I'm saying. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 6: We catch up to them, yes, not the other way around.

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Speaker 6: Most of these teams know who's going to test well

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Speaker 4: Like like at the end of the season, it was

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Speaker 4: Campbell and Banks, Campbell and Banks, Campbell and Banks. I

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Speaker 4: I think the NFL looks at it differently than the

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Speaker 4: not disparaging the draft that I think they a lot

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Speaker 4: I don't think they know where they're going to go.

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Speaker 8: Right, That's what And that's why I think it's hard

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Speaker 8: and you know, but we're still kind of circling back

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So I had a thing I heard on the radio

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Speaker 8: Actually look it up your shows, your shows.

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Speaker 4: Well, someone said that Sports Illustrated had a projected trade

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Speaker 6: I don't know why we entertained trades like this, all right.

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Speaker 4: So I just want to I'm going to say, I'm

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Speaker 6: We live in a real world.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Evan la Evans with me. It's the Patriots

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I mean Brandon Ayuk would he'd have

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, San Francisco is moving up seven spots in

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Speaker 4: I would fire John Lynch on the spot if he

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Speaker 4: No. But what I'm saying is, if you're trading a

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Speaker 4: So to move up seven spots. You're giving up a

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Speaker 5: Only did you think from Patriots perspective?

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Speaker 4: Patriots? I'll do that all day, every day. That's what

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Speaker 4: Maybe members available at eleven.

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Speaker 3: But you're keeping your first round pick.

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Speaker 4: The moving up seven spots, that's it. That's all they got.

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Speaker 4: They get seven spots in the draft.

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Speaker 3: No, but they don't get our they're getting four.

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Speaker 4: You're getting eleven.

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Speaker 3: Oh so you're getting there as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I thought that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's a pipe thought we were only getting Ayuk in

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Speaker 4: Plus you're moving up, plus you're you're moving down. So

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Speaker 3: So Now I now I agree Lynch should be fired

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Speaker 4: Now, unless this was Mike is right. It was on

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Speaker 4: Maybe he did not accurately portray the proposal, but that's

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Speaker 3: I'm getting there first, their second in Ayuk Lynch should

442
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 3: be fired. There's no way.

443
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 4: They just just for seven spots.

444
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way. But if they're not getting nothing first,

445
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 3: then I could see.

446
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 4: To say nothing like the fact that what is available

447
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 4: at four that you like that you know of?

448
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 8: You know, so you still have eleven, you know, so yeah,

449
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 8: go to eleven.

450
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 6: Back on planet Earth.

451
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: But I just thought that was like if they were

452
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: if there wasn't a first round swap, would you do

453
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 3: it if you were the Patriots?

454
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 4: No, So you're giving up four for a Yuk in

455
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 4: a second?

456
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit more feasible, right.

457
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely feasible.

458
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

459
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 6: I would not because.

460
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 4: Now you've got to worry about are Yuk's health.

461
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 3: No, I got to worry about Ayuk. He doesn't want

462
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: to come here.

463
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's something you work out before you make

464
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 4: a trade. Yeah, he's on board. Yeah, if you're making

465
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 4: that trade, you're not making that trade blind.

466
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, you probably don't know this public who was San

467
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 8: Francisco trading up to get.

468
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm saying like, what is the fourth pick? Like,

469
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 4: I guess it would be contingent on one of those

470
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 4: two being available. Yeah, but I just do would you

471
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 4: do if?

472
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 8: I mean, that gets a little bit for me too, Like,

473
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 8: I mean.

474
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 4: I still think you're giving way too much, right, if

475
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 4: you're San Francisco, it's either are you or this? Like,

476
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 4: it's not both?

477
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 3: Can I can I throw out a little playoff thing.

478
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 3: It has to do more with the other sports of

479
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: the three sports than football, but it just occurred to

480
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 3: me it's a it's a playoff adaption. So let's just

481
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: let's just take the NBA. You get into the playoffs

482
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 3: the same way as always, you know, based on your record,

483
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: Then you get seeded. Everything stays the same. But once

484
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: you get into the individual series, the home court advantage

485
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 3: is dictated by the head on head season matchup. So

486
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 3: let's just say the first seed is playing the sixth

487
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: seed or whatever. If it just so happens that the

488
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: sixth seed has a better record against that team, they

489
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: get the home court. It's a little bit of incentive

490
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: to make the regular season games more valuable because you

491
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: never know who you're going to be playing in the playoffs,

492
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: and if if I don't if I don't have the

493
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 3: better record against them in the regular season, I could

494
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: lose home court advantage.

495
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Speaker 6: Would you try it against the teams that aren't in

496
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 6: the playoffs?

497
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 3: Well no, So if the teams are that bad that

498
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: they're out, then of course why would to say it's

499
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of juice.

500
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 4: But why wouldn't the same juice be generated by trying

501
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 4: to win so you have the better record and therefore can.

502
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: Host no because you well you always try to do that,

503
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of games where you just take

504
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 3: it off, you know.

505
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: Right, So what's going to change, Like, you're not going

506
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 4: to know who you're playing in the playoffs, so you

507
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 4: don't know which games you can't take off.

508
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: That's the point. You don't know who you're going to

509
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: So every game becomes a little bit more valuable when

510
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: you're playing. When you're playing might.

511
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 8: Well the good teams against it might get a little bit,

512
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 8: but against the bad teams, it's not.

513
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do about it.

514
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: Like the Celtics want to finish with the better best

515
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: record they can so they can host as many rounds

516
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 4: in the playoffs as they can. Not necessarily we need

517
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 4: to beat the Indiana Pacers because we might play them

518
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: in a two seven matchup.

519
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: But that's but that's the point.

520
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: But but I just have to have the better records,

521
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: so I need to try. Like I don't understand why

522
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 4: my effort is changing.

523
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: But but now the better record doesn't always help you.

524
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: If you if you didn't try against the Pacers and

525
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: you end.

526
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 4: Up actually punishing the team for trying during the season, No,

527
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 4: because they didn't try.

528
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm rewarding the team for trying during the season.

529
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: By having a better record. That's how you try.

530
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: If I didn't try in a game against the paid No,

531
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: if I didn't try, if I didn't try against a

532
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: game against the Pacers and they end up having a

533
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: better season record against US, I could lose home court.

534
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 3: So I have to try against every team that I

535
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: might play in the playoffs.

536
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 6: Okay, but what about the teams that you're not going

537
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 6: to play in the playoffs? But those are they're like,

538
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 6: there's already not a lot of incentive in the NBA,

539
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 6: example for the Celtics to try against like the Washington Wizards.

540
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: There there's nothing I can do about it, and they're

541
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: never gonna try in those games.

542
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 6: All right, but now I try even less because the

543
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 6: head to head is the only thing that matters. So

544
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 6: all they have to invest in is Milwaukee, Indiana.

545
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: The seedings. The seedings are still there in terms of

546
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: you know who you're gonna play in the playoffs.

547
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: That don't you don't you always try against the teams

548
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: that you perceive to be good.

549
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: Well again, if you if you're if you're.

550
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 4: The Gvins, point like we're gonna take the Brooklyn game

551
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 4: the Wizard.

552
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: If you're the Pacers, then you end up having a

553
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: better season record against the Celtics, there's no reward.

554
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: There shouldn't be.

555
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 3: I think there should be not if you don't have.

556
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: As good a record.

557
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 6: It's an eighty two.

558
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: If the Jets beat the Patriots twice but finished with

559
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: an inferior record, they're not hosting the playoff game.

560
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: But football is different. That's why I said it doesn't

561
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 3: really apply.

562
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: I don't think it's unfair like the other team has

563
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 4: a better record.

564
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying it's I'm just trying a little

565
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: bit extra juice for some games in the NBA, and

566
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 3: you could work in the NHL too.

567
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 8: Take April in the season with the Pacers season series

568
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 8: is three to three, right, and this game in April

569
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 8: might decide where.

570
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 3: So instead of like sitting guys to rest them, I

571
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: need to play them.

572
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I was just at unfortunately they lost,

573
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 6: but I was at the Celtics Thunder game and that

574
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 6: was not Yeah, that was the low stakes game.

575
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: No, that's what I'm saying.

576
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 6: This game if teams are missing guys.

577
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: But you don't lose that in this thing, you don't

578
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: lose that instead of either you're just adding.

579
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: But you're not adding anything.

580
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: You are he just he just said it.

581
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 6: And that off chance that that scenario happens at the

582
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 6: end of the season.

583
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: And you have no way of knowing what that team is,

584
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: You're you're talking about like a one in a million shot, Like, oh,

585
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 4: we're playing the Knicks and the playoffs and we have

586
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 4: the Knicks in April and the season series is tied,

587
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: Like what are the odds of that?

588
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, But I'm just saying that you don't

589
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: know who you're gonna play in the playoffs, especially especially

590
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: early in the season.

591
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: Like would Adam Silver, I'd rather reward the team that

592
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: wins the most games to ensure that they play as

593
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: hard as they can, and as many of.

594
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: Those eighty twos, well, you are rewarding. They're getting the

595
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: reward by the seed that doesn't go away.

596
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 6: I think that the problem with the NBA is that

597
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 6: there's not enough incentive for finishing the season with a

598
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 6: better record. Because now, I mean it used to be

599
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 6: back in the day that home court advantage mattered a

600
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 6: little bit in the NBA, but it's evening out more

601
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 6: and more as the years go on. So like now,

602
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 6: if you're a team like the Celtics.

603
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: That have.

604
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 6: Proven commodity, a defending champion, like, they're not going to

605
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 6: empty the tank in the regular season because they'll get

606
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 6: to the playoffs and everybody will be healthy and they'll

607
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 6: they'll now, But that's because the only like I think

608
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 6: that's disincentivizing you is that Game seven won't be in

609
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 6: your home arena. That's it. And if you're the Celtics,

610
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 6: you're saying Game seven, we're not going to get the

611
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 6: Game seven. So what difference doesn't make right?

612
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: I think? So, I think you home court advantage is

613
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: still something you want.

614
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 6: Statistically, it matters less and less, especially in the NBA.

615
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 6: It used to be a really heavyweight to home court

616
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 6: advantage because of the referee. The refs used to give

617
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 6: hometown calls and all that kind of stuff that doesn't

618
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 6: happen as much anymore, and so now it's pretty even.

619
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 6: Like you can go into another team's arena in the

620
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 6: playoffs and win. It's not unheard of. So to me,

621
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 6: it's like, why, you know, the Celtics are you know,

622
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 6: off the pace with the Calves or the number one seed, Like,

623
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 6: why are the Celtics emptying the take in the last

624
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: five weeks of the season to try to catch Cleveland. Yeah, like, well,

625
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 6: meet Cleveland in the playoffs, We'll have three games on

626
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 6: our home court and we'll see who wins. Yeah, you know.

627
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: I just think if there's any way that you can

628
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: incentivize each game to be more important, Like if teams

629
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: go in like we want to win every season series

630
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: against every team, I think that's a good thing.

631
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 6: See, I think to make it more important is I

632
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 6: guess what I'm getting at is that I think that

633
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 6: the home team or the team with the better record

634
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 6: should have more home games than just four versus three,

635
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 6: because I don't I don't think it's enough of an

636
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 6: incentive because if you're a really good team like Boston,

637
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 6: you're thinking to yourself, what the worst case scenario is

638
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 6: that we have a coin flip Game seven in Cleveland.

639
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 6: That's the worst case scenario, and so we'll take our chances,

640
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 6: right like, we think we're the better team, will take

641
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 6: our chances. But if a series was this team got

642
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 6: five home games to two home games.

643
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: Now now all they now I can listen.

644
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 6: Now, all of a sudden, it makes more sense. Or

645
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 6: let's say the first three games of the series are

646
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 6: all in Cleveland. Okay, right, you.

647
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: Know it's the same. It's giving more importance to that

648
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 3: season series.

649
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 6: It's giving more importance to the regular season because I

650
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 6: think right now, and it happens every time, like the Nuggets,

651
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 6: the Celtics, the Warriors, at the end, they don't care

652
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 6: like they'll just get to the playoffs, and they have

653
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 6: more moxie and they have more experience.

654
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: I think you away is going to actually have unintended consequences.

655
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: I think teams could say, well, we don't really care

656
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: about the regal season, but we're gonna really we're gonna

657
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: empty the bucket in those four games against the Celtics,

658
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: because that's all we care about. We need to have

659
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: that home court against them. It doesn't matter if we

660
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 4: don't have as good a record as they do. So

661
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: we'll rest all our guys more than we normally would, right,

662
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: because all we got to do was worry about those

663
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Speaker 4: four games. Yeah, I mean I would rather have, like

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Speaker 4: for the Celtics eighty two games. What do you say,

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Speaker 4: this is probably maybe twenty that they looked at and said,

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Speaker 4: you know, the two against Denver, the two against Okay,

667
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Speaker 4: see the Knicks games, the Bucks games Cleveland, Cleveland, you know.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's one of the they're focusing on. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's because the league stinks, right, there's only six good

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Speaker 3: teams level right, right, the West is better than the East.

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Speaker 4: The West is way better.

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Speaker 6: But when you look at you know, the Celtics again,

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Speaker 6: like every time they play one of those teams that

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Speaker 6: you mentioned, it's a pseudo playoff game.

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Speaker 4: They tried.

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Speaker 6: They you know, it's it's all hands on deck and they.

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Speaker 3: Put a lot but anyway.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but you know, he's he's a wild card

679
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Speaker 6: to begin with. But you have those are real games,

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Speaker 6: Like you know, I have Ma Siico, so I watch

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Speaker 6: every single game. But like there's a big difference between

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Speaker 6: the game against Brooklyn the other night and the OKAC

683
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Speaker 6: game that I went to last week, right, and that

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Speaker 6: that's just and.

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Speaker 4: You see this, You could tell the scores when the

686
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Speaker 4: Celtics took like they beat Utah like a week and

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Speaker 4: a half ago by like six points, the game that

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Speaker 4: the two of them had forty Yeah. Right, then they

689
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Speaker 4: beat Brooklyn by two the other night, like you know,

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Speaker 4: when they took the foot off the gas. There's no

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Speaker 4: way that they're only beating Utah by six points if

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Speaker 4: they're giving in an honest effort. But you know, the

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Speaker 4: game against Cleveland, the game against Okay, see, those were awars. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: those are really hard fought. That the game that they

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Speaker 4: beat Denver on like the Sunday afternoon, that was a

696
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Speaker 4: hard fought, well played game.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: But there's just not enough of them in that league.

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Speaker 4: That was our NBA minute.

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Speaker 3: It was just something I was thinking about to just

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Speaker 3: give a little bit more shoes to these regular season games.

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Speaker 3: A five to five past five hundred is the a

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Speaker 3: ticket hotline. No, I'm sorry, it's just the hot line.

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Speaker 3: Nobody sponsors it's.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then podcasts at Patriots Dot com is the email

707
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Speaker 3: address getting a lot of people want to weigh in.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine what they want to weigh in. Uh,

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Speaker 3: so let's start with Todd North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

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Speaker 12: Hey, guys, It's been an interesting conversation, but I just

711
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Speaker 12: like to relate some of the conversations that I've heard

712
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Speaker 12: around here. I don't know why, but I'm in the

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Speaker 12: middle of a Pittsburgh fan base and there's tons of them,

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Speaker 12: and they're really serious about if Shador's still available at

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Speaker 12: four they want them. They want the tomlind to do

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Speaker 12: whatever it takes to get up there and get him

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Speaker 12: because they feel like Tomlin's, you know, his his tenure

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Speaker 12: is coming to a close througher then later and they

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Speaker 12: think they have enough talent.

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Speaker 11: Now to maybe make it somewhere.

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Speaker 3: So you say, the Pittsburgh like, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 12: So that's what they're they're interested in. So I'll take

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Speaker 12: the answer up there.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, all right.

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Speaker 8: So it's the biggest question draft from respective is what

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Speaker 8: teams really want him and are willing to spend capital

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Speaker 8: to get up and get him. And I think I'm

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Speaker 8: still skeptical. Well, it sounds nice for the fans I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know twenty one, so I just can't see that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess we have to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: If we're going to talk about the Steelers, we have

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Speaker 3: to talk about Aaron Rodgers, right, because he's now connected

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Speaker 3: to them. He says he's going to reveal his decision

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Speaker 3: on Thursday.

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Speaker 6: I love how he acts like it's his decision.

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Speaker 3: Right and who is it from the Steelers? On his

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Speaker 3: accounts that either you're a Steeler or you're not, either

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Speaker 3: you want to be with us or not, aiming that

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Speaker 3: at Aaron Rodgers, and I agree, like, if you're a

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Speaker 3: Steelers player, it's like, screw you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Patriots fans would probably hope he goes

742
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Speaker 4: to Pittsburgh because that's outside of you know, the structure.

743
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Speaker 4: You they've had. There's been ties with Russell Wilson to Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: I think he visited Cleveland recently. There's been ties to

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Speaker 4: Rogers with the Giants. Like that would be a disastrous

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Speaker 4: scenario for the Patriots that if those two things both happened,

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Speaker 4: then there's no way that obviously by process of elimination,

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Speaker 4: that both quarterbacks can go in the top three. So

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Speaker 4: I think you're looking at someone like Pittsburgh. To take

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers would be better because that leads both Cleveland

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Speaker 4: and the Giants also in search of a veteran quarterback

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Speaker 4: to eliminate the need to take Sanders.

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Speaker 3: And then Rodgers has also been tied to Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: Minnesota, which I don't really which is.

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Speaker 3: So wild because that's the exact path of Brett Favre.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like, can you guys, I mean, you guys

757
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Speaker 4: are smarter than me. You guys always tell me these things.

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Speaker 4: I don't look at them. Sometimes I think that would

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Speaker 4: be crazy for Minnesota. First of all, everybody knows what

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Speaker 4: I think of Rogers, Like, I just think he's a

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Speaker 4: bad teammate. Yeah, I don't think he has the ability

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Speaker 4: anymore to overcome his bad teammateenance. To make up a phrase,

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Speaker 4: but if you wanted to roll the dice with him,

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Speaker 4: and just like, I'm not only going to bring that

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Speaker 4: into my team that won fourteen games last year, but

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Speaker 4: I'm going to risk doing damage to my young quarterback

767
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Speaker 4: who sat out his rookie year as a red shirt

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Speaker 4: with injury like that can't be a good situation for

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy to be in.

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Speaker 3: I heard about like I heard a report on McCarthy

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Speaker 3: that like he's down to like one hundred and seventy pounds.

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Speaker 4: He lost a lot of weight after the surgery. He

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Speaker 4: had to have a clean up procedure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're not even sure he's going to be ready.

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Speaker 4: No, I understand the reservations about, Like I understand why

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Speaker 4: they wanted to entertain Sam Donald coming back, do you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Yes, well, he's just thought about

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Speaker 4: taking gentyet. I understand the reservations about wanting to, you know,

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Speaker 4: bring back Sam Donald, you know, as an insurance policy.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand Aaron Rodgers is the fallback.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I think that's all coming from Rogers. I think the

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Speaker 6: Minnesota buzz is coming.

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Speaker 4: For Kevin O'Connell's sake. I hope you're right.

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Speaker 6: I just I don't see it either as a fit.

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Speaker 6: I don't see this system as a fit either for him.

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Speaker 6: You know, the way they run their office, and so

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Speaker 6: I don't see that as a as a great Rogers

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Speaker 6: style system either. And I just I think that that's

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Speaker 6: all Rogers would of course, he would love to go

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Speaker 6: to throw to Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and the

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Speaker 6: weapons that they have in Minnesota. Like it's clearly an

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Speaker 6: attractive team to quarterback, like you look at Sam Darnold

794
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Speaker 6: did last year with that offensive system and those weapons.

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Speaker 6: But I don't think that the Vikings have a ton

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Speaker 6: of interest in Donald. I think Donald has a ton

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Speaker 6: of interest in the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: Rodgers, Rogers, Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, So I mean I

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Speaker 4: do think that Rogers is going to impact at least

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Speaker 4: a couple of teams, if not more. And what does

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Speaker 4: he say?

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Speaker 3: Thursday Cousins is still out there too, right because.

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Speaker 4: He's on in Atlanta. But you know, I think I

804
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Speaker 4: think he can be had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they have a like a roster bonus situation

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Speaker 6: going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's still on the roster.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Those are the three vets right now. Is there anyone

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Speaker 8: else other than Wilson Rodgers?

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Speaker 4: And I mean you could make I mean, not that

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Speaker 4: you would want to start, like.

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Speaker 8: Huh, Jill Milton the course another.

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Speaker 4: But I mean you have Jameis Winston, Gardner, Minshew, not Gus,

816
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Speaker 4: not guys that you want to start. I mean I

817
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Speaker 4: think that if you were a team that got left

818
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Speaker 4: at the altar, you could sort of sell yourself on

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Speaker 4: a Russell Wilson or a Kirk Cousins. But I don't

820
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Speaker 4: know if you want to go into a year with

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Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew as your starter.

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Speaker 8: And who was at Tennessee Cleveland the Giants? Is there

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Speaker 8: anybody else who was clearly without us starting?

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Speaker 6: I mean, like the Raiders in New Orleans are long

825
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Speaker 6: term needs right, Like they're not. They don't necessarily need

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Speaker 6: a twenty twenty five starter, but they're going to be

827
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Speaker 6: in the quarterback harrousel at some point, you know here soon.

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Speaker 3: I heard a report that the Patriots are asking for

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Speaker 3: a third rounder for.

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Speaker 4: Milton Cleveland's Cleveland Plain dealer Tony Grossi, I believe, said

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Speaker 4: that the price that the Patriots are asking for would

832
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Speaker 4: be a third round pick, which I think is smart.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they'll get it, but I think that's smart.

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Speaker 6: See, I would have asked for more, like you can

835
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Speaker 6: only be told you're crazy, Like you know, like why

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Speaker 6: stop at a third round pick? Like I'm not saying

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Speaker 6: I'll ask for a first round pick necessarily, but like, but.

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Speaker 3: How much weight do you give to the Grossi report?

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Speaker 3: I think he's like did he get that from another

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Speaker 3: team that inquired with the Patriots?

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Speaker 4: And the Patriots said, I don't know he's I mean,

842
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Speaker 4: he's a pretty respected guy who's been around for.

843
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Speaker 3: A long time.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a good it's a fair point doesn't

845
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Speaker 4: mean it doesn't mean it's fact, but I just think

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a good uh. I mean, I think

847
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Speaker 4: it's unrealistic for the Patriots, but I think it's good

848
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Speaker 4: to shoot high. I think that he was a he

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Speaker 4: was a sixth round pick. He's a Day three guy.

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Speaker 4: You're probably getting a Day three pick back for him

851
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Speaker 4: if you trade him. I wouldn't trade him, not for

852
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Speaker 4: a Day three pick. You know, I wouldn't trade him.

853
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Speaker 4: I would. I would hope that he can be the backup.

854
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Speaker 4: I don't know that he can. And I know they've

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Speaker 4: signed Joshua Dobbs, but I don't I would, I would

856
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Speaker 4: keep him.

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Speaker 8: I just want to bring up Chase and Higgins signing

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Speaker 8: with the Bengals.

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Speaker 5: So I think that T.

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Speaker 8: Higgins dreams didn't see that probably gone. It's not funny

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Speaker 8: how they stayed aimed it though, like the highest paid

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Speaker 8: number two of all time.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think strive you numbers in your letters.

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Speaker 9: The best Z.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't and Kyle re signed.

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Speaker 4: What was that?

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Speaker 8: So what they just did your salary and they try

868
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Speaker 8: to get him back for Yeah, just.

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Speaker 5: I don't know you could.

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Speaker 4: I was happy for Evan because everyone was so conflicted.

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Speaker 4: Last week they're blowing it up like did Kyle really

872
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Speaker 4: do this?

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Speaker 3: Kyle still knows ball?

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Speaker 6: I mean, Kyle did this had to be something.

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Speaker 4: Whispers.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to Patty and agawam. What's up Patty?

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Speaker 13: Afternoon?

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Speaker 14: Gentlemen?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Brad?

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Speaker 15: Can you give me a little bit of a vine,

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Speaker 15: because I did want to cover a few things. The

883
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 15: first thing is, I'm sorry. I said this the last

884
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 15: year and I'll stay it again this year. I want

885
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 15: no part of Brandon Ayuk. I don't think he's the

886
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 15: number one guy. To me, it looks like after he

887
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 15: got paid in stan Brand last year, he looked and

888
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 15: played like a third and and he ended up getting hurt. Sorry,

889
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 15: I don't want them. I just want to be on

890
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 15: record with that.

891
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: And I think the mutual for him. But that's how

892
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: many games?

893
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 15: That's all right, I don't want them. The second thing

894
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 15: you were talking about is there do you believe that

895
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 15: the Titans are going to take Ward with the first pick?

896
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: Well, don't believe.

897
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 15: Now we said for well for many years, what did

898
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 15: we what did we stay around here?

899
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 9: Fred?

900
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 15: Don't listen to what Belichick says, look at what he does.

901
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 15: I can't take credit for this, but I think I

902
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 15: was listening to Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah, and I

903
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 15: think Brooks brought up that said, like, gms will lie

904
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 15: to the media, but they won't lie what they're wallet.

905
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 15: And look at what they did in free agency. I

906
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 15: mean they signed Dan Moore Junior and Zeitler pretty much

907
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 15: shored about the offensive line, and I mean everyone that

908
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 15: I'm listening to says is saying the exact same thing.

909
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 15: They're showing up the offensive line. To draft a quarterback

910
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 15: with the first pick might not be Ward. It could

911
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 15: be standards, which would be crazy. But to me, I

912
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 15: think Ward's going number one overall. Now, let's get the deuce.

913
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 15: I listened to a few podcasts last night taking shots

914
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 15: that you two deuces. I don't think gen you would

915
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 15: be a bad pick. Maybe in the future. Mike Evan said,

916
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 15: once we you know, get a couple of pieces, once

917
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 15: we solidify the left tackle position. But I think at

918
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 15: this point where this team is right now. I don't

919
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 15: think he moves the needle because I mean, if we

920
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 15: can't open up holes, yeah, I mean, are you just

921
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 15: gonna run behind the right hand side of all year

922
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 15: long and you know not try and run up the middle.

923
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 15: I mean, we we need we need a center, we

924
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 15: need left guard, and we need a left tackle. We

925
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 15: need to solidify those positions before we can even consider

926
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 15: taking a running back of.

927
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 12: That high value.

928
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 15: That's all I got. I'll talk to you guys on Thursday.

929
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Thanks, Patty.

930
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 8: See, sometimes though, I just feel like we've lost the

931
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 8: plot a little bit.

932
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 9: You know.

933
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 8: It's just like, and I remember when I first started

934
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 8: working here, and these kind of lines are like, we need.

935
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: A god, we need a guard so bad.

936
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 8: I'm like, I get it, Like, and that's kind of

937
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 8: like the football thing to say, like we've got to solidify.

938
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: But it's also just.

939
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 8: Making the case that if there was an all Pro

940
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 8: talent on the for the worst offense in football last year,

941
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 8: that maybe it makes sense. Maybe you know, I know

942
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 8: we didn't put it together and right the right way,

943
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 8: but maybe it makes sense to draft a guy who's

944
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 8: arguably maybe depending on how I feel about Travis.

945
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 5: Hunter, the second best offensive.

946
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, people with the order of things. Okay, so maybe

947
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: maybe this year, maybe this year they only win seven games,

948
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: and maybe having the running back was you know, helped

949
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: you win a couple of extra games this year. But

950
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: next year, now you've already got that guy and now

951
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: you add the tackle or you know, like you can

952
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: do it that way.

953
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 6: But I just I can't, Like, do you have to

954
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 6: the floor of the running game is the blocking Okay?

955
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 6: The floor like how good your body?

956
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 8: Like?

957
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 6: Your floor is is blocking schemes, system and the infrastructure

958
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 6: around the running back. Yeah, so the running backs the

959
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 6: finishing touch, right Sakuon Barkley in Philadelphia, he comes in

960
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 6: and he takes their running game from a B plus

961
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 6: to an A plus because he's really good. Okay, but

962
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: if you have an f as your infrastructure to the

963
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 6: running game, the running back is not going to make

964
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 6: it any better.

965
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: Okay for one year, but what if the next year

966
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: you do add those pieces.

967
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: Okay, so we're just gonna kick the can down the

968
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 6: road on left tackle and receiver again, like we're just

969
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 6: gonna be doing having the same conversations again.

970
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 8: Now you might have to regardless of My point is

971
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 8: if there was a left tackle.

972
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: If Orlando Brown was in this draft, it be a

973
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: no brainer or one of my I say, Orlando Brown,

974
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: I think Orlando, Yeah.

975
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 6: Now I would not.

976
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: If there was a blue chip tackle in this draft,

977
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 3: it would be a no brainer. That's the there isn't though, Okay,

978
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: and I think that this running back might be a

979
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: blue chipper.

980
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 6: Okay, you guys are higher on him than I.

981
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 4: I will just say that.

982
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: All we're doing is, you know, changing the order.

983
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 4: Of he and I don't have any problem with changing

984
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: the order. And I'm a little surprised than Patty just

985
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: alluded to this too a little bit too. I'm a

986
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: little surprised with how many people are out on so

987
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: many good players, because well, what good would that do.

988
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: They're not gonna They're not gonna make a Super Bowl

989
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: run this year anyway. Like right, They're so lacking in

990
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 4: talent that I think any players that you can get

991
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: that will increase your roster's talent level in general, you

992
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 4: should be in on.

993
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 6: But by how much. But like the gap between Remandre

994
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 6: and Genti, it's not the same as Viderien Lowe and

995
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 6: the tackle.

996
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: I started the whole thing by saying this, has nothing

997
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: to do with gent d Like I'm just saying, how

998
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 4: many you know? Like, well, T Higgins is available, Patriot's

999
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: not ready for t Higgins, Like they're not They're not

1000
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: good enough. Why why spend the money now Brandon Nyuk

1001
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: might be available. I don't want Brandon Nyuk. He played

1002
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 4: like a turd last year, Like I don't know what

1003
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: that even means, Like he got hurt, he tore his

1004
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: a cl in the seventh game of the year, Like,

1005
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: so he's a turd. Now let out if you do.

1006
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: If you don't want him because you're worried about the knee,

1007
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: that makes sense. I'm worried about the knee, especially explosive

1008
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: players like that. Oftentimes it takes a whole year and

1009
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: a lot of times they don't get it back at all.

1010
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: So that's a concern if you don't want to give up,

1011
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: to Evan's point, at what cost, If you don't want

1012
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 4: to give up the resources that it would take to

1013
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: get Brandon Ayuk. I get it. But people don't necessarily

1014
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: want these good players because the Patriots are in a

1015
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: position to get them. And it's like Mike said, it's

1016
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 4: all like a flashback to last year. You can't take

1017
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: Drake May because you're not ready for him. At some point,

1018
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: your sole goal needs to be I don't care what

1019
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: position they play, and I don't care what it takes.

1020
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 4: We need to get better. And if Fred's theory can

1021
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: come true and you can go from four wins to

1022
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: eight wins, that's not acceptable to anybody.

1023
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1024
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: It has to go from four to twelve like Washington did.

1025
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: That's the only way you can rebuild one year all

1026
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: at wants Bang. We have to go from nothing to

1027
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: the NFC Championship, right, Like I think, you just need

1028
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 4: to get better.

1029
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 6: I don't think Gent makes you any better.

1030
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: Again, this is not about Gent. This is not about

1031
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 4: if it's Will Campbell. If it's Will Campbell, I'm fine.

1032
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: Like this whole idea that you have to do it

1033
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 4: this way I hate because I've seen so many different

1034
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 4: teams do it so many different ways. Just get better

1035
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 4: players and the rest will take care of itself. And

1036
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: I understand Evan's reservations because I agree with Evan on

1037
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: running back. I do this, But if this is just

1038
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: thinking that Genty is head and shoulders better than Will

1039
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: Campbell and Tyler Warren, then I would take him. I

1040
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: don't believe he is. That's why I'm with Evan. But

1041
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: if you thought that, I don't think that's a dumb pick.

1042
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: Now, if you're telling me, a better offensive line makes

1043
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: Drake May better and it makes the existing wide receivers better,

1044
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: and okay, I get it, I get it. But you

1045
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: know people are nobody's selling me on these these tackles.

1046
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 6: Well that's I mean, I I don't know. I can't

1047
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 6: sell you on the tack anymore than I've tried. But like,

1048
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 6: I think the other thing that needs to be.

1049
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: Saying, are you picking Will Campbell number four?

1050
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd pick Will Campbell, okay, because I think that

1051
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 6: Will Campbell elevates the talent level of your offensive line,

1052
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: no matter if he ends up being a guard because

1053
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 6: of the arms and he ends up being a guard,

1054
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 6: your offensive line is gonna be a lot better with

1055
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 6: Will Campbell on it than it is without it. Right,

1056
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 6: And I'd say the same thing about armand Membu depending

1057
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 6: on which side he plays, Like, I don't think it

1058
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 6: especially at that position, it matters less and less right tackle,

1059
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 6: left tackle, because there's a lot of really good guys

1060
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 6: that rush over the right side too. So like it

1061
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily make that big of a difference, But I

1062
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 6: think it also has to be said in a draft

1063
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 6: like this, like the running back class is absolutely stacked,

1064
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 6: So you're talking about a class that's gonna have twenty

1065
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 6: plus guys drafted in the first four rounds at the position.

1066
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 6: So not only are we talking about is it the

1067
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 6: most valuable position to draft for the Patriots, but we

1068
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 6: also have to compare what's the drop off between genty

1069
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 6: and the running backs that are going to go on

1070
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 6: Day two in early Day three? And is that significant

1071
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: enough to take genty at four? Like I think that

1072
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 6: out of everything is why I just can't fathom any

1073
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 6: team doing it. It's like, like, why would you draft

1074
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 6: genty at four overall when you could draft somebody.

1075
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: The only reason you would you think the gap is

1076
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: bigger and you think Genty is that good. That's the

1077
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: only reason you do.

1078
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: Right, But when you combine the gap probably not being

1079
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 6: as big, especially relative to other positions in the gaps

1080
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 6: at those spots, with the positional value of running backs,

1081
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: like it just inherently cannot be that big, Like we

1082
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 6: just know that it's not that big period, Like Sakwon

1083
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 6: Barkley is a fantastic running back, but even he is

1084
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 6: not that much better than like the fifth or sixth

1085
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 6: best running back in the league from a value standpoint.

1086
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 6: So even if you look at gent and say he's

1087
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 6: better than Amari and Hampton, or he's better than Cam Skataboo, like,

1088
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: the actual impact on the field is not going to

1089
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 6: be felt. Like you're gonna have very similar comparable stats

1090
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 6: as long as the blocking and all that stuff is good.

1091
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 6: So I just the drop off at that position is

1092
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 6: just there's just so many guys there, like you could

1093
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: list off, you know, every guy that ran a four

1094
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 6: to four at the combine at that spot. It was

1095
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 6: like ten guys in a row, you know.

1096
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: But there were a lot of people like when you

1097
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: listen to them, you know, Cooper Cup. We talked a

1098
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: lot about Cooper Cup and Fred by the way, I'll

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00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: give you your flowers as you kids say. There was

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00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 4: there was a market form a bigger market than I thought.

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00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: It would be fifteen million three years.

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00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: That's but I also think that there was some interest

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00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 4: in him. I didn't I thought there would be one

1104
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: of two teams. It seemed like there was more than that.

1105
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: And certainly fifteen million. I know that's fake money, but yeah,

1106
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: fifteen millions is a higher you know average than I

1107
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: was anticipating. So you were right on that one. See

1108
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: I don't always, I don't always just take my ball

1109
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: and go home. I actually sent that to Fred over

1110
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: the weekend when I saw all the the Cup. But

1111
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 4: people didn't want Cup, like people don't didn't want DK Metcalf. No, no, no,

1112
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: we're not ready for him. That's not gonna We're not ready.

1113
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: We're not We're not going to at some point. You

1114
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: just have to find a way to get better players

1115
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: to help your young players look better and progress and

1116
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 4: develop as much as they can. Lineman, Absolutely, you need

1117
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: better Lineman, you need better everything better coaching. Why did

1118
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: they it's all about the defense? Why is all a

1119
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: free agentcy? Because the defense stunk too. They needed to

1120
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 4: fix the defense just as much as the offense. They

1121
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 4: went out and they did that. You know, they got Spolene,

1122
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: they got Harold Landry, they got Milton Williams, Carlton Davis.

1123
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: Like they needed those players. They're all going to start.

1124
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: And those were lower hanging fruits, so like take take them,

1125
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: make those apples and then we'll go for the ones

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00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: that are a little higher up.

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00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 8: It makes you feel a little bit better looking at

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00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 8: it at four. Overall, from that perspective of that, they're

1129
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 8: probably going to get better. And I think you know,

1130
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 8: you just wanted them to hit the home run. You know,

1131
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 8: you want them to take the guy that five years

1132
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 8: from now when you look back, you say, yeah, he

1133
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 8: was staring us in the face.

1134
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: And we and if it's genty, you'll be mocking Evan And.

1135
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 6: I like, and I'll lay down my sword here and

1136
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 6: a second on the gent thing. But like, how could

1137
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 6: it be genty? Like he's literally gonna have to be

1138
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 6: like Walter Payton for it to be genty. We still

1139
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 6: entertained the possibility because I just I don't I don't

1140
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 6: see the vision of like unless you're projecting that he's

1141
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 6: gonna be Ladanian Tomlinson, Like I like, did where's how.

1142
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 4: Do you how he and Thomlinson sign me up?

1143
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: Right?

1144
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 6: But he's not gonna be Ladanian Thomlins.

1145
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: You would have to think that that's who we you know, he's.

1146
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 6: Of that caliber, right, Like if he's just gonna be

1147
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 6: you know the other comp A lot of people used

1148
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 6: for him is like Alvin Kamara, who's like a really

1149
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 6: good player, but like that's not like Ladanian Tomlinson.

1150
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: But it's so funny. It just shows you the value

1151
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: of that position now because like for Will Campbell, we're like, man,

1152
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 3: as long as he's serviceable and he can play the position,

1153
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: it'll be fine. That's not the case with running back.

1154
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: He's gotta be Walter.

1155
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: I don't want a serviceable Taco at number four, Like

1156
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want Matt Light put the fourth.

1157
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 3: Well, that's who you're gonna get.

1158
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's I would be out if that's if

1159
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 4: that's his ceiling is serviceable. I want the elite SEC

1160
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 4: tackle that played for three years and he can play tackle.

1161
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: But if they think his ceiling is just he could

1162
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 4: play tackle. But if Matt Light was a really good

1163
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 4: Patriot for a decade.

1164
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I think.

1165
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: But he was a second round pick, right, I wouldn't

1166
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 4: have wanted that at the fourth overall pick. I don't

1167
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 4: think he was that level of a tackle.

1168
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 3: But this year, that's what you if you if you

1169
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: end up getting a ten year tackle for your team

1170
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: out of this fourth pick, you're you're okay with that.

1171
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 4: But is he just playing or is he excelling?

1172
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: Well, least he starts, he never loses the job.

1173
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that. You know, that's a good point

1174
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 6: by Fred.

1175
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: It just like to get it in this draft.

1176
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 6: And I've had to go through my own thing with

1177
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 6: this draft, and like I think Teed McMillan for me

1178
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 6: is probably the biggest one with this example. But like

1179
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 6: it's just not a great year. So Teed McMillan. No,

1180
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 6: he's not Malik Neighbors, Like, he's not Marvin Harrison junior

1181
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 6: as a prospect, but in this draft other than Hunter,

1182
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 6: he's the best receiver in the draft. Will Campbell is

1183
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 6: not Jolt. Jolt is not in this draft, like, but

1184
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 6: Will Campbell's the best tackle in this draft. So unfortunately,

1185
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 6: like he's worth the fourth overall pick in this class.

1186
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone's gonna go forth.

1187
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 8: He keeps saying, Hey, I got two questions for you it.

1188
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 8: First of all, did you try to talk yourself into

1189
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 8: Tech McMillan in this mocked draft?

1190
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 5: Und tried to get there? You couldn't. And what was

1191
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 5: b What's Bart's feeling on all this? I need to

1192
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 5: know Bart's feelings on all Well.

1193
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 6: It was funny because when when Coffee Boy there broke

1194
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 6: four four eight and like that was the scoop that

1195
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 6: it was four four eight. He was texting me in

1196
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 6: like four four eight, Oh my god, And I was like,

1197
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 6: there's no way.

1198
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 4: He's too savvy. No, you just completely ignore pro date time.

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00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 6: I was like, there's no way he ran a four

1200
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 6: four eight and I probably at least a ten slower.

1201
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: Will Campbell's gonna have thirty five inches.

1202
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I like, you know, this is jokingly, jokingly,

1203
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 6: but I'll text him like gifts of like sloss when

1204
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 6: he talks to me about tech McMillan, you know, like

1205
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 6: you know, like guys moving in slow.

1206
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: Motion, like called Will Clark three toward slot. Yeah.

1207
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 6: Now, I've I tried to talk myself into it, and

1208
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 6: again it goes back to what I just said, you

1209
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 6: have to adjust your thinking to this talent role. Right,

1210
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 6: Like he's no, he would not be the fourth overall

1211
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 6: pick in last year's draft, right, But I think what

1212
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 6: we see even rookie seasons, last year's draft was a

1213
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 6: hell of a draft. Like it looks like that draft

1214
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 6: is gonna be one of the best drafts we've had

1215
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 6: in recent memories.

1216
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: So like you have to just adjust first three receivers.

1217
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a break. My foods here.

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Speaker 7: I want to thank Robert and Jonathan's not able to

1254
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 7: be here today, but I want to thank them on

1255
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 7: behalf of just the coaching staff. I think the personnel

1256
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 7: an echo Elliott's comments just about the support and the

1257
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 7: commitment that they've made.

1258
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 9: Just in getting this.

1259
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 7: Process and this just being able to build a program

1260
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 7: every single day and allow us to have the resources

1261
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 7: that we've needed to do that to provide our players

1262
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 7: with everything that they need to be successful on and

1263
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 7: off the field. So thank you, Thank.

1264
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 9: You, Robert. I want to thank Elliott.

1265
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 7: I want to thank his personnel department, specifically to pro

1266
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 7: Scouts and that staff that really teed it up for

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00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 7: for me and the coaches to come in and and

1268
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 7: evaluate as we work through the personnel you know stage

1269
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 7: and in the preliminary stages of that, so you know,

1270
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 7: I thought they did a great job.

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00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 9: I want to thank them.

1272
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 7: Would love to thank Nancy Meyer and Stretch for for

1273
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 7: kind of coordinating everything.

1274
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 9: Everything moves pretty quick.

1275
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 7: And they kept us in line and they kept us

1276
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 7: and they handled travel and just the communication and getting

1277
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 7: everybody here, So I want to thank them. I would

1278
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 7: love to thank Ritchie and Mitch and and and Halle

1279
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 7: who are going to form our player engagement on department

1280
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 7: and the being able to just meet with these families

1281
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 7: and visit and help this transition that you know, there's

1282
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 7: going to be some new players here, there's many new

1283
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 7: faces here, and that that department is critical and you

1284
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 7: know we want to support them. The I want to

1285
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 7: thank specifically our little free agent group which was Me, Elliott,

1286
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 7: Ryan Cowd and Matt grow Richard Miller. That we were

1287
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 7: firing them off left and right, just trying to get

1288
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 7: back touched, go pivot.

1289
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 9: Because everything happens pretty quick.

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00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 7: And uh, that was fun just being able to everybody,

1291
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 7: you know, work at a different angle, Uh, getting the

1292
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 7: contracts done, communicating on that, going to plan B and

1293
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 7: and really it was fun. And and we're excited about

1294
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 7: the players that we had. And you can see that.

1295
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 7: You know, once you get to know these these players

1296
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 7: and these men that that we we're going to be

1297
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 7: just as excited as them off the field as we

1298
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 7: are on the field. But I want to welcome you guys.

1299
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 7: I want to welcome you. Guys are our Patriot family.

1300
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 7: And I think that we were all excited about getting

1301
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 7: you as players, but then when we met in the

1302
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 7: in the hallway and met your families, were even more

1303
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 7: excited to meet your support system and understand.

1304
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 9: Why you guys are the way you are.

1305
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 7: And you know, we're gonna We're gonna support the things

1306
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 7: and the people that are important in your life.

1307
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 9: That's what we believe in.

1308
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 7: We believe in make and connections and making sure that

1309
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 7: then when they come to work here, or that we're

1310
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Speaker 7: doing everything we can so that we can we can

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Speaker 7: put the product on the field that Robert talked about,

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Speaker 7: and that's a that's a championship product, and that starts

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00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 7: by investing in people and and and I'm confident that

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Speaker 7: we got the right people and then now it's our

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Speaker 7: job to put him in the right places UH as

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Speaker 7: players to get the best out of them.

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Speaker 9: Until I'm excited to to start that process so that that.

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Speaker 7: UH, I'll I guess I'll take a few c UH

1319
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Speaker 7: questions as it relates to some of the players, and

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Speaker 7: then what we plan on doing going forward, Karen, I'm

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Speaker 7: on Karen.

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Speaker 19: In prior meetings with us, you've talked about UH wanting

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00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 19: to support Drake Bay and protecting him with an improved

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Speaker 19: offensive line.

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Speaker 11: UH.

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Speaker 19: With the news of the release of David Andrews today,

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Speaker 19: they're now appear multiple holes to fill. Have things not

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 19: gone according to plan? And are you now forced to

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Speaker 19: draft for need in that area?

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Speaker 9: No, I think that there's a lot there. Karen.

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Speaker 7: You mentioned David and want to thank him, you know,

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Speaker 7: having played at this organization, not quite as long as

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Speaker 7: he had, but but being here. I want to thank

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Speaker 7: him for that, for for being here and carrying on

1335
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Speaker 7: a tradition that so many great players before him had.

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Speaker 7: We're going to continue to support as Elliott Elliott mentioned,

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 7: the needs that we feel like are on the team,

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Speaker 7: and we'll target the offensive line. There's still quite a

1339
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 7: bit of time before we get to the draft, but

1340
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 7: but there's also you know, we we don't want to

1341
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 7: just be careless, right we talked about there's a difference.

1342
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Speaker 9: We want our players to play aggressive.

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00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 7: We don't want him to play reckless, and so we

1344
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 7: don't want to be reckless through this process. We want

1345
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 7: to be very intentional with the with the people that

1346
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Speaker 7: we bring on this football team, and we'll we'll continue

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Speaker 7: to target all those needs that we feel like and

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Speaker 7: the players that can help us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, hey, Mike.

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Speaker 20: When with Milton Williams, there was a report that he

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Speaker 20: was close to signing to another team, and I think

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Speaker 20: like an hour or so later, you know, you guys

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Speaker 20: finalized a deal with him. Can you take us through

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Speaker 20: the emotions of sort of that swing and what was

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Speaker 20: it about Milton that made you guys feel comfortable to

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Speaker 20: give him the deal you did?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's always about the entire package. When

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 7: you look at compensation, right, it's the it's the body

1359
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Speaker 7: of work, it's the what they're going to do for us.

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Speaker 7: We always want to be able to, you know, not

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Speaker 7: rely on on past performances, but that was something there's

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01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 7: a there's a high ceiling and a great vision about

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Speaker 7: the person, the effort, the skill set, you know, the

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Speaker 7: speed in which he plays, there's a there's a power,

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Speaker 7: so certainly there's an aggressiveness and being able to add

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Speaker 7: him to our defensive line is something that was really exciting,

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Speaker 7: you know.

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Speaker 9: But you talk about the character and.

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Speaker 7: Hopefully we're going to be able to I hope you

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 7: want to play more than then. They're played in Philadelphia

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Speaker 7: and I know that you guys are extremely successful, but

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Speaker 7: we want to play them a little bit more than that,

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Speaker 7: and hope we can do that.

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Speaker 9: You know, you just try to.

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 7: You do your best in a short amount of time

1376
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 7: to make a connection with the player and kind of

1377
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Speaker 7: what we are, right, we don't want to sell anything

1378
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 7: like what we want to sell is just who we are.

1379
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 7: It's not we want them to want to be here,

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 7: and then if they want to be here and we

1381
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 7: want them, we'll figure out a way to make it

1382
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Speaker 7: work contractually, but they we want people and players that

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01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 7: want to be here, that want to be a part

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Speaker 7: of what we're doing. And that's what these guys are

1385
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Speaker 7: and there'll be more that come along after them.

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Speaker 21: Hey, Mike uh Town, you mentioned you didn't want to

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Speaker 21: be selling people, but the reality of having had to

1388
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 21: unsuccessful see and then ending up at the top of

1389
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Speaker 21: the draft, you had to make some kind of a

1390
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Speaker 21: pitch to convince guys. And we'll certainly ask them about

1391
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 21: it too, But what was your main pitch to say, Hey,

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Speaker 21: I know it on paper has not been positive the

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01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 21: last two years, but this is what we're building.

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Speaker 9: What was what was the.

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Speaker 21: Main thing you were articulating to these guys and convincing them.

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Speaker 7: I mean, just just who we are as people that

1397
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna care about them. We're going to

1398
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 7: push them about the team. Right, you have to target

1399
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 7: the right player, you know, making sure that that our

1400
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 7: vision and want them to help us build a program

1401
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 7: that that when the players walk back in here on

1402
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 7: April seventh, that they're proud of that they want to

1403
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 7: protect that they call their own. You know, just what

1404
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 7: we've we've done and what were the relationships that we

1405
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 7: try to make and and what we want to build

1406
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 7: the entire player around and then put them in good spots.

1407
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 7: And I think we've been able to to put some players,

1408
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 7: specifically Milton, put players like that in our history of

1409
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 7: coaching and good spot to be productive and make plays

1410
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 7: that can help the team win.

1411
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 9: Hi, Mike, Hi, Sophie.

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Speaker 22: I was just curious there were the reports about you

1413
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 22: guys going after Chris god when obviously he resigned with

1414
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 22: Tampa Bay. I'm curious what your thoughts are, what your

1415
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 22: plan is at the wide receiver position, and how you

1416
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 22: plan to address that, whether it's free agency or the draft.

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about any of the players.

1418
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 7: Are the ones that are right here and the ones

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01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 7: that are gonna currently on our football team. We'll continue

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 7: to target. Matt Collins will be in here tomorrow. He's

1421
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 7: a wide receiver, you know. But we'll continue to look

1422
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 7: at the wide receiver position as it relates through free agency,

1423
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 7: explore every option uh with other teams, and potentially, you know,

1424
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 7: then we'll get to the point where we're where we're

1425
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 7: looking in the draft, and there's just a lot of

1426
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 7: time and I know that everybody's like it's over at

1427
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Speaker 7: free agency.

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01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 9: It's it's never over. And and Zoe's you know, wherever

1429
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 9: Alonso is. I don't know, but he keeps reminding me and.

1430
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 7: I think everybody else that because he's been around a

1431
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 7: lot of times. He's like, there's players that are going

1432
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 7: to come available, whether it be now, or whether it

1433
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 7: be in May or after training camp. Like it's just

1434
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 7: he's like, I've seen it enough to know that there's

1435
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 7: going to be someone that's currently not on our roster

1436
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 7: that's going to help us win a game this year.

1437
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 9: We just he's not in Foxboro.

1438
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Speaker 11: Hill.

1439
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 4: Hey, Mike, what do you remember about Robert Spoline when

1440
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 4: he first came to Tennessee as a trial player?

1441
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: And just what do you think about the crew that

1442
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: he's put together since then?

1443
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 9: Well, I mean it was just you couldn't you know.

1444
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 7: We went out to practice and he didn't make any

1445
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 7: mental mayors. He was athletic, he was excellent in this

1446
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 7: open field tackling drill. Did the same thing the next day,

1447
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 7: did the same thing on Sunday. You know, it got

1448
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 7: to be a joke where we would just keep throwing

1449
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 7: them in and be like, hey, let's see if somebody

1450
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 7: can make Splaine miss. And then you know, John Robinson

1451
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 7: and I were just like, we have to have him

1452
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 7: on the football team. And I think he's earned the

1453
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 7: right to be here on those three days. And you know,

1454
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 7: Robert may Or may not share this story, but he

1455
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 7: got that we told him and it was on Mother's

1456
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 7: Day and he got to call his mom and it

1457
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 7: was you know, it was pretty special, you know, especially

1458
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 7: for me being a young football coach or a young

1459
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 7: head coach, to be able to see a player that

1460
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 7: had earned the right like we didn't hand him anything.

1461
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 7: Like That's what we want for every single player on

1462
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 7: our team. We want them to earn everything that they get.

1463
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 7: And that was an example of what he earned his

1464
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 7: opportunity in the National Football League. So that's no surprise

1465
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 7: of the career that he's had based on how it started.

1466
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: And now great moments in history. Sam's and San fran Cisco.

1467
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 3: They don't like it when they say Sam Frae, Frisco.

1468
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 3: I thought they didn't like. You're right, Frisco. They don't like.

1469
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 4: They don't like that.

1470
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 3: They don't like Frisco. And people in Oregon don't like

1471
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: when you say Oregon with that Frisco che fresh comb.

1472
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 4: What is what is francs.

1473
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 18: Between this and you're analyzing Bill's fine.

1474
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 4: Oh, the Bill swooting thing is the tamest thing he's

1475
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 4: got going right now. I won't forget you.

1476
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 23: Yeah, I told I, Well, I guess I should tell

1477
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 23: I went so back.

1478
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 5: This is a little side story.

1479
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 8: But back when Brady got hurt in two thousand and eight,

1480
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 8: I made a video and.

1481
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 4: I should probably share it with Matt.

1482
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: It is on YouTube.

1483
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 8: I made a music video of set to the tune

1484
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 8: of poisons, I Won't Forget You Baby. But I made

1485
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 8: an I Won't Forget You Brady music video that was

1486
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 8: very very still hired him, but I was saying, you know.

1487
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: If it didn't come up on the search, no, that's

1488
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: another great moment.

1489
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: From Patriots Unfiltered is sponsored by the Massachusetts two fifty campaign,

1490
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: commemorating a history of possibility, Plan your revolutionary weekend at

1491
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Speaker 3: Massachusetts two fifty dot.

1492
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Speaker 8: Org and conquered, you know, to the Boston Tea party ship.

1493
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like Mike's district. Like you play these old

1494
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: clips and he's just like singing, I say in the.

1495
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 3: Background, he was meant for Broadway. You know, he really missed.

1496
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 8: I crushed it as Luther billis in South Pacific in

1497
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 8: fifth grade and I'm still trying to get back to

1498
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 8: that point.

1499
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: Really should have been Broadway.

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01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 4: Evan just looks at me, he goes, so he was always.

1501
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: Like this, Yeah, I could see you, you know, being

1502
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: King Arthur and Camelot.

1503
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 6: This one's just out there.

1504
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 5: Actually, maybe we.

1505
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 6: Should uses to.

1506
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: This one's the micro made his name in blogging, and

1507
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: he's a youth hockey with for me. Don't you ever

1508
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: forget those twenty eight to three ties. He's less in

1509
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: the picks and he's taking negative, but he knows his

1510
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: hoodies and he knows them good.

1511
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: Did you know that he used.

1512
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: To live in Holly would Okay, this one's from this,

1513
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: one's from this.

1514
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 4: That's great.

1515
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 5: Did you guys want to hear some tweets?

1516
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: I would love to hear somets.

1517
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 5: I would call them mean that.

1518
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 8: So maybe some of them are, but I call them

1519
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 8: more angry to the.

1520
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 4: One I sent, the one that you're gonna read from me?

1521
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 5: Is this mean that there's one?

1522
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, there is one that I included up from Paul,

1523
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 8: but I screenshot at some of these so uh, in

1524
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 8: no particular order.

1525
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Speaker 5: Here's one.

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01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 8: I'm still pissed, y'all post this. Never associate with Mike again.

1527
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 9: That's not too much.

1528
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 5: I will.

1529
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 4: That's not mean.

1530
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:42,520
Speaker 3: I will associated.

1531
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 8: I will commit seppuku at the lighthouse if that happens.

1532
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 8: That was from Fat Mac Jones. It's at Fat Mac

1533
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 8: Jones if you want to hit him up.

1534
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 9: Uh.

1535
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 8: If we drafted RB in the first round, I will

1536
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 8: personally show up in camp and fling feces at Rabel.

1537
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 8: Good luck, Marty the party eighty two.

1538
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 6: Or that one.

1539
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 8: Delete this and fire whoever Mike is. Okay, I want

1540
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 8: to fire Elliot Wolf for you even posting this. Mike

1541
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 8: is an idiot. Just straight to the point, you know,

1542
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 8: ha ha. The first pick is just to torture p

1543
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 8: f W Paul and see if he will get up

1544
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 8: and leave in the.

1545
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 5: Middle of the live draft pot.

1546
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 8: Pretty close stuff, now this one. This guy, this guy

1547
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 8: went next level. This guy went next level. This is

1548
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 8: not real. Trying to throw other teams off, so you know.

1549
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: The bidding of the front.

1550
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 8: Uh, Mike, who this is worse than drafting Sony Michelle

1551
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 8: in the first round. Yeah, and then the last one,

1552
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 8: best Mark I've ever seen. Well done, genty is the

1553
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 8: only choice at the first pick.

1554
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 9: There you go.

1555
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 4: You're welcome.

1556
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: So when I checked last night, the Patriots tweet had

1557
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 3: your graphics had over five hundred thousand views, and so

1558
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 3: I imagine it's probably over a million now, right. You

1559
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 3: know you're really just trying.

1560
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 8: I'm trying to riled up the nation, trying to start conversation.

1561
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 3: But now I.

1562
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 8: Appreciate all the you know, everybody reaching out.

1563
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm good.

1564
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 8: Start, great, thanks, Wait for my next monk next week.

1565
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, something totally different, all right? That five hundred is

1566
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: the hotline podcast at patriots dot com is the email address.

1567
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: Let's get some people off the phone here. Christians in La.

1568
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 3: What's up, Christian?

1569
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 23: Hey you guys, how are you doing today?

1570
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 5: Hey?

1571
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 4: Hey man?

1572
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 3: All right, great, So.

1573
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 23: I'm gonna I'm gonna die right into that. I know

1574
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 23: I'm probably too shows, too late, but I've been trying

1575
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 23: to get in but I just got to say this,

1576
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 23: And I'm going to use an analogy of you can't

1577
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 23: use limes to make lemonade. Yes, it'll be lime a,

1578
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 23: which is kind of like lemonade, but it's not lemonade.

1579
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 23: And what I mean to say is, with no disrespect

1580
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 23: to Mike Krable, I think what he's done this is

1581
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 23: going to boost our defense and we're gonna win some

1582
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 23: games possibly because.

1583
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 14: Of our defense.

1584
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: This year.

1585
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 23: However, it seems like we're trapped in this weird like

1586
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 23: twilight zone thing where we think defensive coaches are gonna

1587
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 23: ever fix or give us a great offense. Right, we

1588
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 23: had Bill Belichick, and yes he was the greatest defensive

1589
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 23: coach ever, but he also happened to have the greatest

1590
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 23: quarterback ever, and as soon as the greatest quarterback left, Bill.

1591
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 14: Couldn't really win.

1592
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 23: We went from that to hiring a defensive coordinator to

1593
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 23: fix the offense, and that was a disaster. We went

1594
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 23: from there to hiring a first time coach who was

1595
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 23: a defensive player to fix the team and the offense.

1596
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 23: And now we've gone to a guy and again with

1597
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 23: respective Raible and what he's done so far in his

1598
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 23: last tenure, decided to trade premium offensive players to try

1599
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 23: to help bolster his defense, which got him fired. And

1600
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 23: now in his first moved really here in New England,

1601
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 23: whether it seemed to have a choice or not, he

1602
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 23: fostered the defense first. We're going into a draft where

1603
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 23: it seems like a premium talent at least value wise,

1604
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 23: is on the defensive side.

1605
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 14: Well, even with the few guys that.

1606
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 23: We want the most, like Hunter and Carter, is it

1607
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 23: possible that something that we're rooted in.

1608
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: No, And I hear what you're saying it, but you

1609
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: can't forget and you can criticize them for not getting

1610
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 3: the job done, But they tried to throw big money

1611
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 3: at offensive players. They just didn't get it done, you know,

1612
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 3: So I don't think that you know they would. They

1613
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 3: did try to bring in some really high priced offensive players.

1614
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: I don't think they're ignoring do you think do.

1615
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 23: You guys think they're having an offensive minded coach? What

1616
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 23: even changed the strategy of who we go after on

1617
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 23: the offensive side and how they feel about us. Like

1618
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 23: if I was a premium offensive player, I would not

1619
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,480
Speaker 23: be excited to go to a team that's the defensive

1620
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 23: focus team with the guy who doesn't know how to

1621
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 23: coach oftense.

1622
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 6: But what is where are you getting that from? Like

1623
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 6: we're a week into free agency, Like this is kind

1624
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 6: of starting to bug me just in general, not with

1625
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 6: Christian but but like that they're neglecting the offense. There's

1626
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 6: an entire draft that still has yet to come, and

1627
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 6: I understand that a lot of people don't have a

1628
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 6: ton of trust right now in their ability to draft.

1629
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 6: But like, if we're gonna sit here and hold Nikhil

1630
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 6: Harry and Taekwon Thornton and these guys against Mike Rabel

1631
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 6: and Ryan Cowden who were in Tennessee coaching an entirely

1632
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 6: different team, Like I mean, we're gonna we're gonna hold

1633
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 6: Aaron Dobson against them too, like in Chad Jackson, and

1634
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 6: we'll go right down the line, Like I don't I

1635
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 6: don't see how that's relevant. So, like they're gonna address

1636
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 6: the offense. They're gonna take big swings on offense. It

1637
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 6: might come through the draft and you might all be

1638
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 6: wary of that, but this offense is they're not gonna

1639
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 6: put this offense on the field in September, Like they're

1640
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 6: gonna have additions to the offense come September. So I

1641
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 6: just I don't think that it's an offensive, you know,

1642
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 6: like they're neglecting it or that it's he's only able

1643
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 6: to coach defense, and they're just like he didn't get

1644
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 6: fired because he traded a J.

1645
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 9: Brown.

1646
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 6: John Robinson got fired because he traded a J.

1647
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 3: Brown, Right, Christian does have a point it's valid is

1648
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 3: if you had an offensive minded head coach, would that

1649
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: be more attractive to maybe at least one of these

1650
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 3: guys that they swung and missed on.

1651
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna step back for a second. I

1652
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 4: do There's no way of knowing that for sure, but

1653
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 4: I do think that that is probably part of the equation.

1654
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 4: But just just I'm just going on this year because

1655
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 4: that's all I can go on is Mike Rabel, Ryan Cowden,

1656
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 4: Elliott Wolfe and how they're trying to put together the

1657
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 4: twenty five Patriots. There wasn't a lot. I mean, I'm

1658
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 4: not even going into my old argument of the defense

1659
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 4: needed just as much attention as the offense, because I

1660
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 4: think it did. But where would the the opportunities lost,

1661
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 4: specifically on offensive players. I would say that most the

1662
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 4: good offensive players that changed teams were trades, like I

1663
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,440
Speaker 4: think DK Metcalf would have made some sense for the Patriots.

1664
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 4: And to my knowledge, and you correct me, they went

1665
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 4: after Chris Godwin, yeah, and didn't and didn't get them.

1666
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 3: He stayed put.

1667
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 4: Who else did they go after Cooper Cup.

1668
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 3: Did they I think they were in on it. Yeah, absolutely, Well.

1669
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 4: Then they should have gotten them because it didn't cost

1670
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 4: that much.

1671
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 3: We all the reports said that they were in on it,

1672
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: so that the.

1673
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 4: Report said they were interested. But did they go after him?

1674
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I mean, so, what what do

1675
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 3: you mean by interesting? I don't think.

1676
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 4: That's like to me, that's not a difference making player.

1677
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 4: I would have taken Cooper Cup, but I think DK

1678
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 4: Metcalf could be your number one receiver. Cooper Cup couldn't,

1679
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: but he would be right to be their number one,

1680
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 4: but not a number one. So my point is, I

1681
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 4: don't think they had a lot of offensive options, right.

1682
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 4: I unfortunately don't think there are a lot of great

1683
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 4: offensive options in the draft either. I think Evan's right

1684
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 4: there that they will take some. They'll probably get some. Uh,

1685
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 4: they'll they'll get another receiver and probably a running back

1686
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 4: even you know, at some point in the draft, and

1687
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 4: they'll they'll you know, you know, if Genti's available, they'll

1688
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 4: add some pieces on offense. But just because they didn't

1689
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 4: add it immediately doesn't mean they're neglecting it, right you know.

1690
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 4: So that's why, like I'm in the middle, like they

1691
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 4: have not necessarily gotten the guys, you know, and I'm

1692
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 4: a little tired of the Well they went after Calvin Ridley,

1693
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: they went after Brandon Ayuk, they went after Chris Godwin, whatever.

1694
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 4: Like that's I've heard that about the Red Sox for

1695
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 4: five years, you know, like they need to make some changes,

1696
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 4: they need to add some talent. But I'm not, you know,

1697
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 4: willing to just say, well, this is Mike Rabel and

1698
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 4: he's a defensive guy and he doesn't want offense. I

1699
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 4: think that was true with Bill. I think Christian's argument

1700
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 4: against Bill in that regard was accurate. I think Bill said,

1701
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 4: I want to have defensive players, and Tom Brady will

1702
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 4: fix the offense, and he'll do enough on the offense.

1703
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 4: You don't have that luxury anymore. But I'm not here

1704
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 4: to tell you that that's what Rabel's doing. I want

1705
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 4: to give it a little time before I start criticizing

1706
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 4: him for not getting offensive players, because I don't think

1707
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 4: they've missed out on a lot of guys.

1708
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: People They're getting impatient at the end of the day,

1709
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 3: no matter what they do, Like you said earlier, the

1710
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 3: odds of it, the Patriots being able to do what

1711
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: the Commanders did last year are long. You know, you're

1712
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 3: not going to build this team to a playoff caliber

1713
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: team this year most likely mostly.

1714
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 4: Now they could be They could if everything.

1715
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 3: Works, everything has everything works.

1716
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 4: They could be a playoff contender, right, And I honestly

1717
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 4: believe that. I'm not trying to.

1718
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 3: Play a lot of ifs have to become real.

1719
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 4: If Milton Williams is the same player at seventy five

1720
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 4: eighty percent playtime as he was at forty five percent,

1721
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 4: you know, if Harold Landry goes on the wayback machine,

1722
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 4: if Robert Splaine turns out to be this sideline to

1723
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: sideline whirling dervish that he looked like he was in Vegas,

1724
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 4: and Carlton Davis stays healthy, Yeah, then I think you

1725
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 4: have a chance to beat you know, sort of the Cleveland's,

1726
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 4: the you know, like the lesser teams in the AFC

1727
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 4: that you lost to last year. I think become wins

1728
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 4: and that goes from four to eight or nine. Yeah,

1729
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 4: in my in my view, because I think the schedule's light.

1730
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 3: And then when December rolls around, you're in it.

1731
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that could happen.

1732
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: The path.

1733
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 6: I just feel like everybody. The first week of free

1734
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 6: agency ended, and now the roster building's over, Like there's

1735
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 6: no there's no way to.

1736
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 4: I'm in the middle of that. I think largely it is.

1737
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 4: But there will be a guy that you don't know,

1738
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 4: to Evan's point, that'll be on the team and he'll

1739
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 4: probably play a role.

1740
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 6: But can we just at least wait until April twenty

1741
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 6: seventh before we jump off the bridge that they have

1742
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 6: no offense? Like if Travis Hunter is on this team

1743
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 6: on April twenty fourth, then we're all gonna look like idiots,

1744
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 6: Like just relax, Like, let's lee what happens at the draft.

1745
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 6: If they get to the draft and he and he

1746
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 6: goes like build it a couple of years ago with

1747
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,839
Speaker 6: Gonzo and Kean White and Marte Mapu and they go defense, defense,

1748
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 6: defense again at the top of the draft. Then have

1749
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 6: at it. Then sit there and say they did they

1750
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 6: neglected the offense?

1751
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a chance that that could happen?

1752
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 4: Because no, I do, No I do, And I wouldn't

1753
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 4: necessarily criticize it if they think that, like the Georgia guy,

1754
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 4: let's say that Hunter and maybe at the time, for

1755
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 4: the purpose of this let's take Carter and Hunter off

1756
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 4: the board.

1757
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Walker or Williams.

1758
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: Right, So if one of your Georgia guys is the pick,

1759
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 4: and then you know, all of a sudden, you get

1760
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 4: in the second round. And I'm not as up to

1761
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 4: date on all the slots for all the prospects, but

1762
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 4: all of the guys that you like at receiver are

1763
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: off the board at that you don't want to you

1764
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 4: don't want to reach, and all of a sudden there's

1765
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 4: a you know, maybe another edge player or something else.

1766
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 4: I don't think that that would be a terrible way

1767
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 4: to go. Where you get in trouble is reaching reaching

1768
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 4: for need. Yeah, you know, I don't want to do that.

1769
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 8: If you flash back two weeks ago, a lot of

1770
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 8: what we said was this is a really good free

1771
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 8: agency class for the defensive front seven, cornerback, you know

1772
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 8: those specific positions.

1773
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 5: Those are both positions that.

1774
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 8: They went and added, you know, some quality players at

1775
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 8: and we knew it was going to be competitive at

1776
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 8: tackling receiver, that there were only a couple guys really available.

1777
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 8: And you know, once Ronnie Stanley was off the board,

1778
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 8: and everyone was just acting like Ronnie Stanley, like that's

1779
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 8: you know that's the plan.

1780
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 4: It's not a great free agent crop, especially in my

1781
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 4: view on offense. And I'm not stunts that they didn't

1782
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 4: get difference making players on offense.

1783
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 8: I'm just realizing for a lot of fans, I think,

1784
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 8: you know, kind of what Christian was saying, that it

1785
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 8: all carries over, like all the problems everything, like you

1786
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 8: don't put it down and leave that with Alex van

1787
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 8: Pelt and Jirabo. It's all carries over when you have

1788
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 8: back to back four win seasons, no matter who was

1789
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 8: in charge and what I feel frustrating.

1790
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 4: Would I feel better if they signed Cam Robinson, Yeah,

1791
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 4: I probably would, But the reality of that is you're

1792
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 4: probably not all that much better. Like I would feel

1793
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 4: better because he's an NFL tackle and they don't have one,

1794
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know, a left on the left side.

1795
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 4: You know, they have Morgan Moses my New Life. But

1796
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 4: I would feel better with Cam Robinson. But I'm not

1797
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 4: gonna I'm not here to tell you that, well, your

1798
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 4: left tackle problems are solved, because I watched those last

1799
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 4: couple of games last year and it would scare the

1800
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 4: crap out of me.

1801
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 6: I mean, your left tackle options in free agency besides

1802
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 6: Cam Robinson, We're paying Dan Moore Junior forty million dollars

1803
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 6: over the first two years of his contract, and like

1804
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 6: that's being graded out as the worst contract handed out

1805
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 6: in free agency by pretty much everybody.

1806
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:18,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's in agreement.

1807
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so it just I'm not saying, don't criticize,

1808
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 6: Just can we give them a second to before we criticize,

1809
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 6: Like it's not all over, Like the draft happens. Draft

1810
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 6: Day trades happened, Draft Day, weekend trades happen. Like stuff happens,

1811
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 6: and you know, throughout the process.

1812
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 3: So I'd love to know from the Christians of the world,

1813
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 3: if the Patriots draft Will Campbell with the fourth pick,

1814
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 3: will that Will they be happy with that?

1815
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 6: No, because they'll move the goalpost again and they'll say

1816
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 6: he's a guard.

1817
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 4: But if he is a guard, I would and I

1818
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 4: felt like Christian doesn't. I don't. I think, like I said,

1819
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 4: I'm in the middle of Christian and you. But if

1820
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 4: he's a guard, then I wouldn't feel great about that. Okay,

1821
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 4: if he's a tackle.

1822
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 3: Well, I mean on the day of the draft, their

1823
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 3: intention is to play him at tackle. Are the Christians

1824
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 3: of the.

1825
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 4: World Okay with that, I would think so, yeah, I

1826
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 4: would hope. So they need a left tackle, Yeah, I

1827
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 4: would hope.

1828
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 3: So.

1829
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 6: I just feel like we're holding we're holding things from

1830
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 6: past regimes against Mike Rabel. Like it's not Mike Rabel's fault.

1831
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 4: That's why.

1832
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 3: It totally out because Elliott Wolfe was part of past regimes.

1833
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he doesn't Like I personally do not think

1834
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 6: that he's running the show.

1835
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a big part of it.

1836
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 6: Come on, absolutely, I didn't say it wasn't a big

1837
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 6: part of it.

1838
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's all his work right now.

1839
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 6: I don't think that it's his final say.

1840
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 3: Right And I mean his scouts in his department did

1841
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 3: all the work up to this point, up to the

1842
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 3: point that you well, he did his own work for

1843
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 3: another team, you know, but it's not always the same,

1844
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 3: Like your focus is a little bit different. Maybe I

1845
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 3: don't know, you know.

1846
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 8: But am I wrong to think that there might not

1847
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 8: be a wow, that's the guy confirmed answer at left

1848
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 8: tackle and number one.

1849
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 5: Wide receiver this season?

1850
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 8: Like I that's that's I don't know that there's going

1851
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 8: to I understand. I know that's hard pill to swallow, but.

1852
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 4: And then listen. I'm not teasing. I'm not making fun

1853
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 4: of my guys my shows, okay, because I understand they

1854
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 4: they're doing. They have a they have a job, and

1855
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 4: they can look at it at black and white. They

1856
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 4: took almost entirely defensive players in free agency, so that

1857
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 4: in their view, means they're neglecting the offense. And I

1858
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 4: can't tell you that that's wrong. When they signed Mogan

1859
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 4: Moses and mac Collins, right, those are the only two

1860
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: offensive guys. Did I miss one? The yes, Schiser, we

1861
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 4: should probably go over those the official announcements of more signings.

1862
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 4: So on paper, that's fact, right. You know, Felger likes

1863
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 4: to say scoreboard right, facts, it's it's it's but it's

1864
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: but it's nuanced. It's not just black and white. They're neglected.

1865
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 4: They only signed defense. That means they're neglecting offense. That

1866
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 4: means that that was the opportunity.

1867
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: That presented with the low hanging fruit.

1868
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 6: But he also has no time for the draft, So

1869
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 6: like I, it's hard for me to like listen to

1870
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 6: him say those things and then know, on the other

1871
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 6: bread that every single time you bring up a prospect

1872
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 6: in the draft, he puts his nose up to it

1873
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 6: and says, well, he could stink. Well, yeah, like obviously

1874
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 6: he could stink.

1875
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 3: And free agents may not work out, right.

1876
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 6: Or he you know, you could take DK Metcalf in

1877
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 6: the second round and he could turn out to be

1878
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 6: DK Metcalf, right, you know. So, like if we come

1879
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 6: out of the draft and they've done nothing to add

1880
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 6: talent to the offensive side of the ball, then they'll

1881
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 6: all be right that they neglected the offense.

1882
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 4: But until we get I think there's a chance that

1883
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 4: that could happen, But not because they you know what

1884
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, I don't know if this is a

1885
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 4: great yes, like it might work out that Like, like

1886
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 4: Mike said, is there like a slam dunk wide receiver

1887
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 4: or left tackle to choose from? So if you come

1888
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 4: out of this without guys at those positions, does that

1889
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 4: mean you neglected the offense?

1890
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 6: I think I don't know if I would use the

1891
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 6: word neglected. But you should be able to find you

1892
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 6: want to call him dart throws, call him you should

1893
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 6: be able to make top one hundred picks a wide

1894
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 6: receiver intact, but.

1895
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 4: And you will. But that doesn't mean that you've saw.

1896
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It doesn't mean that's all,

1897
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 4: that's that's all my.

1898
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 6: Point, but you should have an infusion of talent at

1899
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 6: those two so real quick.

1900
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 4: We did have the Patriots officially announced a few more

1901
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 4: though I don't know if we talked about Chase on

1902
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 4: last week. Edge rusher from the first round pick, a

1903
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 4: guy who I happened to love coming out of l.

1904
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 6: S U, who has.

1905
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 4: Been okay, hasn't really best year last year. They hasn't

1906
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,799
Speaker 4: been great safety from the Raiders, Mike Marcus Epps, that's correct.

1907
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 4: And the offensive lineman.

1908
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 8: Was with then Wes Schitzer Shitzer Schitzer s h y

1909
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 8: pronouncer Schitzer s h y t z e R Schitzer Schitzer,

1910
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 8: Wes Schitzer.

1911
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 5: Who's started a bunch of games.

1912
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 4: Kind of like Max a name that I cannot say.

1913
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's been in and out of interior, swinging back up,

1914
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 8: getting thrust into starting roles. You know, he's kind of

1915
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 8: like a little bit like Nick Levertt was last year.

1916
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 8: Maybe a little more experience than Nick Levett last year.

1917
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 8: But I mean, I said Evan, like I look at

1918
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:20,480
Speaker 8: this front now and to me, it's Landry Tonga Williams

1919
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 8: Chase on. That's your starting front four for this defense

1920
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 8: to me right now?

1921
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, unless us bar more healthy.

1922
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 4: So that's eleven guys that they've signed. I think all

1923
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 4: of those have now been made official by the Patriots.

1924
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 4: I don't think I missed any of them.

1925
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

1926
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 4: Just a couple of things to update in terms of bookkeeping.

1927
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 4: Daniel Aqualley yep signed with Pittsburgh, so they lost him

1928
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 4: as a free agent. Interesting tweet. I read yesterday that

1929
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 4: Christian Ellis, who is a restricted free agent, and received

1930
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 4: a tender from the Patriots, the non yeah, non compensation.

1931
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 4: So Christian Ellis, I evidently, is visiting with the Raiders. Yeah.

1932
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 4: So my guess is if you're visiting, you're probably preparing

1933
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 4: to give him an offer sheet of some sort, and

1934
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 4: the Patriots will have a decision to make whether or

1935
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 4: not to try to retain him if they.

1936
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 5: Do for him.

1937
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's the up to date Ells transactions on

1938
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 4: my handy little cheat sheet.

1939
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: All right, back to your calls. We'll go to Kendall

1940
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 3: in North Carolina.

1941
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 14: Hey Kendall, Hey, Hey, how you guys doing it?

1942
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 9: All right?

1943
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1944
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 14: I would just if my chrisms for Fred, but like

1945
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 14: all of y'all can answer, y'all all was on set too, Fred,

1946
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 14: Where did you see the report that Rogers was going

1947
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 14: to make a decision? Third that I've been looking at it.

1948
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 3: I was listening to one of Paul's shows today and

1949
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 3: they said on the Pat McAfee show.

1950
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 4: That is not one of my shows.

1951
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no. On your show they said on the.

1952
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 4: Even though he made even though he made fun of

1953
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 4: me on that no no, not I'm not saying.

1954
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 3: But they mentioned the Pat McAfee show, your show today

1955
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 3: saying that Rogers was going to be on Thursday to

1956
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:04,959
Speaker 3: give his decision.

1957
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 14: Oh okay, Because I had been trying to google, I

1958
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 14: couldn't find about anything like that. I thought they had

1959
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 14: said that last week too.

1960
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 4: But the McAfee show would know about Aaron Rodgers went

1961
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 4: to bed with him more than that show.

1962
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 3: So I don't know where they got the report, but

1963
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 3: that's what.

1964
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 12: I heard, Okay.

1965
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 14: Because I've been looking at everywhere, I couldn't find anything.

1966
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 14: But yes, we'll wait till Thursday to find out. And

1967
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 14: y'all think if Russell Wilson goes to the jobs, how

1968
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 14: y'all feel about that. Do you think they still take

1969
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 14: to doing three or any or what they had doing

1970
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 14: three and now take it off?

1971
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 3: Thinks Okay, thanks Kendall.

1972
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 4: I don't think if Russell Wilson signs with with Cleveland

1973
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 4: or the Giants, I don't think that either one of

1974
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 4: those teams would then take Sanders.

1975
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 6: The only way you know that it would happen to

1976
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 6: me is like with Pennix, with Kirk Cousins last year,

1977
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 6: Like you would have to think that he was truly

1978
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 6: that dude, Like he's a franchise quarterback and you just

1979
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 6: because you can't pass on them. And that's what happened

1980
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 6: with Atlanta.

1981
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I thought that was a really surprising pick

1982
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 4: even with all of that. Now and you know, they

1983
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 4: might have ended up being right, being right, although I'm

1984
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 4: not sold on Penix, but they doubling down, you know,

1985
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 4: having something behind for insurance turn turned out to be

1986
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 4: a good move. I could see a team a little

1987
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 4: bit later on. You know, maybe the Raiders are Lycia's Falcons.

1988
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 4: You know the Raiders traded for Gino Smith. Yeah, they're

1989
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 4: going to give him the deal. He's going to be

1990
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 4: their their starter for the for the now. But I

1991
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 4: could see if they really liked Sanders new was available,

1992
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 4: they could still take him. I don't think they would,

1993
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 4: but I that would be kind of similar to the Falcons.

1994
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 6: It is a often, you know, copycat league, and the

1995
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 6: Falcons it really worked that they did, Like if they

1996
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 6: hadn't done that, then you know, they would have been

1997
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 6: really screwed at quarterback with the way Kirk Cousins looked

1998
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 6: last year. So I wouldn't be surprising if one of

1999
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 6: those teams said, well, the Falcons did then it worked

2000
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 6: out for them. So we're gonna do the same thing.

2001
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 3: And it is a copycat league. Let's go to Andrew

2002
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 3: and Casey. What's up? Andrew are a game?

2003
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 13: I am really intrigued by the idea of using trading

2004
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 13: Joe Milton and something else to get a passage for

2005
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 13: someone that's worth more than Joe Milton by himself. So

2006
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 13: I wanted to run a couple of scenarios. Body, see

2007
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 13: if you think you start realistic or I'm just living

2008
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 13: in a fantasy land. So the first would be to

2009
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 13: trade Joe Milton and a fourth round pick and pick

2010
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 13: up Proderi Jones from the Trailers, get a little bit

2011
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 13: of a recollection of projects who's still probably better than

2012
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 13: anything I would And then the second would be to

2013
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 13: trade Joe Milton and a third to try to move

2014
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 13: up to three with a giant and make sure we

2015
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 13: get Abiel Carterner travel. What do you think either of those?

2016
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 3: Joe Milton are a third to trade up.

2017
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 4: A third round pick. Basically, you're trading a third round

2018
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 4: pick to move up a spot in the first round.

2019
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 4: I don't know is that enough? It might be in

2020
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 4: this draft. I don't know.

2021
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2022
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 8: It seems I don't think there might be other teams

2023
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 8: if that team's willing to move, there might be other teams.

2024
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 9: I will.

2025
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 4: I am that this will be the next thing that

2026
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 4: I'm proving grossly wrong about Joe Milton's trade value. I

2027
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 4: don't see it. I don't. I just don't see it.

2028
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 6: I mean, I think his trade value could be you

2029
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 6: draft him in the sixth could you get a fourth

2030
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 6: round pick for him?

2031
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 4: Like my guess is that be a future fourth round pick?

2032
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 4: Which is really a.

2033
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 6: Fright If I the Patriots best case scenario with Joe

2034
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 6: Milton in terms of value is for him to go

2035
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 6: ball out in the preseason again, and I should say

2036
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 6: again the preseason this year and then trade him at

2037
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 6: the end of the summer for a team that gets

2038
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 6: desperate and you know, has an injury or something like

2039
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 6: that at quarterback.

2040
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 3: You know.

2041
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 6: But even then, I think you're looking at you know,

2042
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 6: what did the Patriots get from Brissett Philip Dorsett? Right

2043
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 6: like you're looking at a trade like that, like it's

2044
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 6: a third fourth receiver that this team doesn't really want.

2045
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,560
Speaker 4: Two players that were both gonna get cut. Yeah, I

2046
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 4: mean got traded for each other. And I know that

2047
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 4: with certainty the Patriots were going to cut per set.

2048
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 8: Like real question, who's the number two quarterback on this

2049
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,600
Speaker 8: Patriots team with Dobbs in the mix? Now, I mean,

2050
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 8: who's actually the backup play?

2051
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 4: I guess is Dobbs. And I think of it, you know,

2052
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 4: And here's where like I'm not willing to say that

2053
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 4: like the Christian, like the call that we got from

2054
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 4: Christian ten minutes ago was completely wrong with regard to Rabel,

2055
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 4: I look at a guy like Dobbs for Vrabel and

2056
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 4: he's like, that's my kind of backup quote that that's

2057
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 4: a safer backup quarterback. I know him a little bit

2058
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 4: of familiarity with him. He came in. Do you remember, like,

2059
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 4: was it Rabel's last year or second to last year.

2060
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 4: They had a winner take all last game of the

2061
01:32:55,479 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 4: year in Jacksonville and they had no Tannehill and Malik

2062
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 4: Willis was had played a little bit, not very well.

2063
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,799
Speaker 4: He just brought in Dobbs kind of off the street

2064
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 4: and started him in that last game, and Dobbs played

2065
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 4: reasonably well, gave him a shot to win that game.

2066
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 4: I think he I think he liked Dobbs and I

2067
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,520
Speaker 4: think he thinks of that as a safer alternative.

2068
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 8: I mean, it's not plus, it's different than Jacoby, Like

2069
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 8: he's kind of kicked around a little bit. He's never

2070
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 8: really been the guy or had any like Jacoby. Still

2071
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 8: seemed to me like he wanted to be the starter here.

2072
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 8: He wanted to stay in the starting lineup.

2073
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 5: I don't think, yeah, that's it going to that exists.

2074
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 8: See how many games with Dobbs he started.

2075
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 5: But yeah, I agree Mike to Evan's point.

2076
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 8: I'm just interested to see Joe Milton play in the preseason,

2077
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 8: to see him playing training camp, get out there. I mean,

2078
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 8: I don't know how much we talked about it, but

2079
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 8: everybody reacts to what he did in that last game

2080
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 8: of the season. But to me, like, he looked pretty

2081
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 8: good in seven on seven, and as soon as became

2082
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 8: eleven on eleven and there was a pass rush and

2083
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 8: there was actually some kind of coverage to read through

2084
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 8: in training camp, he looked pretty lost. So I mean,

2085
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 8: credit to him, he looked like he made remarkable strides.

2086
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 8: But how sustainable and real is that based on just

2087
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 8: one game at the end of the season where Buffalo

2088
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 8: is kind of mailing it in. I don't know, but

2089
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 8: everyone you know wants to react on it. But I'm

2090
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 8: just curious to see him.

2091
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 4: A fifteen start.

2092
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 6: He started off so not not not as many as

2093
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 6: I just look at that last game against Buffalo, and

2094
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 6: that's why it melds all the like it's a preseason game, yeah, right,

2095
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 6: Like he played well in the preseason game at the

2096
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 6: end of the season. Uh, for all intensive purposes, if

2097
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 6: he does that again two or three more times in August,

2098
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 6: then maybe he would have some value.

2099
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 4: And I do think it's like I can I could

2100
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 4: be talked into it either way, because if you think

2101
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 4: he's really good, and that was the tip of the

2102
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 4: iceberg of his development, then you hold on to him.

2103
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 4: But if you still kind of think, oh jeez, right,

2104
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 4: we didn't see that coming.

2105
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 9: Where did that go?

2106
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 4: Then his trade value is not going to be much higher.

2107
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 4: So that's what you're weighing right now.

2108
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, he might maybe selling exactly like.

2109
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 6: Point like every Joe mill the thing that you heard

2110
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 6: about coming into the draft where he duped two really

2111
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 6: big college football programs into thinking that he was going

2112
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 6: to be the next big thing in Michigan and Tennessee,

2113
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 6: and then they get him there and you start to

2114
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 6: peel back the curtain a little bit and you're like,

2115
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 6: all right, this isn't what we thought it was. Like

2116
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,839
Speaker 6: that last game of the regular season is classic Joe Milton,

2117
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 6: classic awesome guy.

2118
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 8: Like left hearing from him like I mean, I mean, flip,

2119
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 8: I mean, he looks like Cam Newton out there. I mean,

2120
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 8: it's not that far off from just what Adonnis that

2121
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 8: guy is and the way he throws the football. It's just,

2122
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 8: I mean, it's intriguing. He can understand why all these

2123
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 8: teams are taking chances on him. He's got all the tools,

2124
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 8: and the tool makes.

2125
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 4: A sucker for a physique, I am, you know, but

2126
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 4: like even like Big Ben, you know, he has that

2127
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 4: like that huge stature, you know, mobility, the big arm. Yeah,

2128
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there are a lot of traits

2129
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 4: to Like I'm with Evan, I'm gonna need to see

2130
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 4: more before I forget about the college but experience. But

2131
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 4: I agree with with the way and said that about

2132
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 4: the preseason, like and a lot of people have been like, well,

2133
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 4: that's more valuable than the preseason. I don't think it is.

2134
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 4: I think, matter of fact, you can make an argument

2135
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 4: in the preseason there are guys desperately trying to forge

2136
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 4: their way into the NFL. In that game, there were

2137
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 4: guys desperately trying not to get hurt and get off

2138
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 4: the field. Like I don't think there was as much.

2139
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 3: Like making business decisions.

2140
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 4: There wasn't as much urgency in the second half of

2141
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 4: that game as there wasn't a typical preseason game.

2142
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 6: He has one of the best arms I've ever seen.

2143
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 4: It's amazing to watch him through the throw and how effortless, unbelievable.

2144
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 3: That was a rocket that didn't go more than four

2145
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 3: feet off the ground a straight line for.

2146
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 4: Fifty six so effortless when it leaves his hand, I mean,

2147
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 4: he's impressive to watch.

2148
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 3: Uh Norman Daytona Beach writes, and I think the problem

2149
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 3: with the negativity of the fan base is they listen

2150
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 3: and believe the crap that some of the sports talk

2151
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 3: shows in Boston spew out. Doesn't matter what the Patriots

2152
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 3: and other sports teams do, it's never going to be

2153
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,839
Speaker 3: good enough. They just love to criticize everybody and everything.

2154
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 3: See Paul, my God, give Rabel time and a chance

2155
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 3: to rebuild this roster. As I'm writing this email, Evan

2156
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 3: is saying basically what I'm typing. They took players in

2157
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 3: free agency on defense because there wasn't much on offense

2158
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 3: to pick from.

2159
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 6: Paul actually said that that's okay, But I'm not even

2160
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 6: using that excuse for him. I just because I would

2161
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 6: have traded for DK Metcalf, Like I think that was

2162
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 6: right there for them for the taking. I'm just saying, like,

2163
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 6: can we at least get to after the draft, Like

2164
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 6: if they come out of the draft and we still

2165
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 6: feel like we do now about the offense, then I

2166
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 6: will criticize them too for the way that they handle

2167
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 6: that side of the ball. But let's just show some

2168
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 6: patience because they could have Travis Hunter on this team

2169
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 6: in six weeks, or they could swing to trade on

2170
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 6: draft day. You know that that lands them a big receiver. Like,

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Speaker 6: let's just wait and see.

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Speaker 8: What the trades intrigued me. But I still just think

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01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 8: even if it's with the draft, that there's probably gonna

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Speaker 8: have to be some patients. And like you know, there's

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Speaker 8: not a surefire left tackle in this draft, so unless

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Speaker 8: they pull a trade off that we don't really see

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Speaker 8: coming at this point, there's gonna be a leap of

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Speaker 8: faith with an offensive lineman in this draft. If you're

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Speaker 8: expecting that somebody's gonna come in here and solidify that position,

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Speaker 8: it's it's.

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Speaker 5: Just I mean, I do all these mock drafts. It

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Speaker 5: seems it's tough.

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01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 8: It's tough to thread that needle.

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Speaker 3: Kelly and salt Lake. I'm sure Mike has caught hell

2185
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 3: for Jante at four, but I honestly don't hate it.

2186
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 3: I think the biggest way to ease the pain on

2187
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 3: Drake without getting a wide receiver one as the ball

2188
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 3: noa's say, is to make defenses play the run. If

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01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 3: they can have a back who can catch the ball

2190
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 3: the batfield as well as run through contact, they can

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01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 3: build the base of the offense and maybe, just maybe

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01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 3: be good enough to entice a wide receiver next year.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Kelly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so just the recap. Mike should be fired. Mike's

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01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 4: a moron. Don't ever do this again. Mike's a little smart,

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01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 4: but the one, the one on his side. I don't

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Speaker 4: hate it.

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Speaker 9: I like it.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't hate it.

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01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 5: There were a couple of those. Wait didn't you say?

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Speaker 8: I mean, well, Bart, I don't know what Bart's reactually,

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Speaker 8: but Katholics seemed like I think that it was just

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01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 8: like chaos.

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01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 6: They were there vouching for you because of the chaos.

2205
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 5: And what was the radio thing? Were they really talking about?

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01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 5: Did you say they were talking about on the radio?

2207
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 6: You just know there's some scuttle but about.

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01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 3: You, Kyle and Pembroke. I don't like going after Deuce

2209
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 3: like this, so I'm gonna do a compliment sandwich. Okay, Deuce,

2210
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 3: You're very funny and often get a laugh out of

2211
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 3: every show. However, the joke you made in your mock

2212
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 3: draft about the Patriots drafting right a running back at

2213
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 3: four in the first round wasn't funny, but I know

2214
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,799
Speaker 3: it was just meant as a joke. Well that you're wrong. However,

2215
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 3: you are a smart man who knows ball, so I

2216
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 3: can't wait for your serious mock draft one point zero

2217
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Speaker 3: to come out.

2218
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Speaker 8: He's not totally wrong on that second part, but it

2219
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 8: wasn't a total troll job. Like like Fred said, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean we talked.

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Speaker 3: We had a talk about it for a summary, I

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Speaker 3: mean behind it. While I agree the Patriots should draft

2223
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 3: a running back, I think it should be a Day

2224
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 3: three pick, not the fourth. Overall, with how heavily the

2225
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 3: Patriots went on defensive free agency, I think the draft

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01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 3: should lean offensive and McMillan at four makes sense, as

2227
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 3: well as trading up from thirty eight to get Ursery

2228
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 3: late in the first round. What do you guys, especially

2229
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 3: Douce think about this?

2230
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean you're gonna have to be creative

2231
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 8: with the left tackle. I mean that was the other thing,

2232
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 8: Like when I do these moss I just used the

2233
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 8: PFF one, which is obviously wrong. I mean, Ursery is

2234
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 8: not gonna be there in the third round. So I

2235
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,639
Speaker 8: just think if you I want to see them target somebody,

2236
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 8: I think, like speaking more towards feeling better, there will

2237
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 8: be a leap of faith with some of these guys.

2238
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 8: But I think if you really felt like they really

2239
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 8: wanted this guy, they packaged some picks, they moved up,

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Speaker 8: they got back up to get somebody, rather than all right,

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01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 8: the Jalen Pole thing or this is the guy that

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01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 8: fell to us and he's fine here.

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01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 5: Like, I don't think they can do that.

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01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 8: I think they need to be be targeted, and I

2245
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 8: think they need to the fan base needs to know

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01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 8: that they have a plan at those two positions, right,

2247
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 8: like you know, I but it's just hard at wide receiver.

2248
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 8: I don't know, second early, second round, not much there,

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01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 8: not much to choose from.

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Speaker 6: I wonder if a tackle like the bar might just

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01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 6: be serviceable, yeah, for a year like Brendan Coleman was

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01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:08,759
Speaker 6: last year for Washington.

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01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 4: That's why I would feel better if Cam Robinson just

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01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 4: signed a one year deal. Yeah, serviceable? Right?

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Speaker 5: What's he doing though?

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Speaker 8: I mean he's out there, he's a name, he's a

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01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 8: left tack.

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01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 6: I have to think that the market's not good for him, but.

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Speaker 8: As he gonna wait till somebody gets hurt or something, and.

2260
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Speaker 6: Just if they can get even if it's a you know,

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01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 6: if it's a Day two tackle, like if it's just

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01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 6: a guy that can play the position at a functional level,

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01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 6: then I think that's probably good enough for for all

2264
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 6: of us at that spot. Like, you're not drafting that

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01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 6: at four. But if that's who they pick a you know,

2266
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 6: thirty eight and sixty nine or whatever it is, then

2267
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 6: then there you go.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we can't trade that pick.

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Speaker 3: Speaking Fresno rights in Sorry, there's no rabbit dog barking

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01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 3: in the background of this email. Nonetheless, during nice during

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01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 3: Kendall's call with the Pat McAfee show reference, I was

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01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 3: sure Fred and Paul were about to get into an

2273
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,799
Speaker 3: argument about what is or isn't one of Paul's shows

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01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 3: last It'll be an all time argument that never was anyway,

2275
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 3: question for everyone not named Evan, do you ever feel

2276
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 3: like you need to convince yourself to care about a

2277
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 3: lot of the chatter going on at this time of

2278
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 3: the year. I always feel inclined to sit in my

2279
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 3: thumbs and just wait for it all to shake out.

2280
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 3: But wonder if you guys feel pressure to fluff up

2281
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 3: the fluff here in mock draft season. I think it's fun,

2282
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 3: you know.

2283
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 8: I just think they're fun. I mean, I don't you know,

2284
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 8: I like getting to know that the prospects. I like,

2285
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 8: you know, it's always fun to me finding a little jammer.

2286
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 8: You know, you just like names come up and you

2287
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,560
Speaker 8: look at them. I don't really like systematically early on

2288
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 8: go through some of the top guys, but you know,

2289
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 8: then you just kind of listen to what people say,

2290
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 8: and you know, someone will say a name you didn't

2291
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 8: really I haven't.

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01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 5: Who's that guy?

2293
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 11: You know?

2294
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 8: And that's what I find fun about it, just finding

2295
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 8: these little gems and then you get a few years

2296
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 8: down the road and all this guy's actually a player,

2297
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 8: you know, like Jake Bobo, just as a stupid example

2298
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 8: of you know, the guy, like I know, I'm not

2299
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 8: trying to take a victory lap on Jake.

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01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 5: Believe me, most of it was comedy.

2301
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 6: He was better than a lot of people thought he

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01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 6: was gonna be.

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01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 8: But you know, like that's the kind of stuff that

2304
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 8: happens where people are like this mock draft is stupid.

2305
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 5: This guy would never be there.

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01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 8: And you know that's just one easy example of something

2307
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 8: when nobody has any idea.

2308
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:14,759
Speaker 5: I mean, the guy's picking the failure.

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01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 6: I try to, like once the combine hits, I try

2311
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 6: not to change my opinions too much, like I, because

2312
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 6: we don't have all these measurables and stuff like the

2313
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 6: teams do. So once I know that, like I don't

2314
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 6: really the fodder and all that stuff, Like I try

2315
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 6: not to sway too much once that happens. But you know,

2316
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 6: yesterday I was watching guards and you know, a couple

2317
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 6: of those guys stood out. Now I learned a little

2318
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 6: bit about guards yesterday.

2319
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 3: Bill and San Diego. Paul, what's your issue with Matt Light?

2320
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 3: He was an eleven year stater who won three Pro

2321
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 3: balls in a first team All Pro in his career.

2322
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 3: Are you seriously saying that if someone told you that

2323
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 3: that will be Will Campbell's trajectory, you'd pass it for

2324
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 3: what exactly you holding out for? Nate Solda was a

2325
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 3: first round pick. Would you prefer whoever the Patriots get

2326
01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 3: has his trajectory? Yeah?

2327
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 4: No, Solder and Light would not be good enough for

2328
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 4: me at four, I would agree.

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Speaker 6: I think that you have to adjust your thinking of

2330
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 6: what the talent level is at the fourth overall pick.

2331
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:12,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I also don't think you have Tom Brady,

2332
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 4: So I don't think that Matt Light would have been

2333
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 4: to three Pro Bowls and named All Pro without Tom Brady.

2334
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 4: I watched him play against Jason.

2335
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 6: I think in this draft, if Will Campbell turns out

2336
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,560
Speaker 6: to be Matt Light or has that trajectory, maybe not

2337
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 6: the Pro Bowls, but as an NFL starting left tackle

2338
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 6: for a decade, I'd be happy. You've done very well.

2339
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 4: I see. I need him to be a good starter,

2340
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 4: and Matt Light was a good starter. Oh he was okay,

2341
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 4: he was okay.

2342
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 3: I think he's a little overrated, he's locally, but he was.

2343
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 3: He was. I'll take him in and I like Matt Light.

2344
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 4: I like him a lot personally, but I just think

2345
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 4: he was okay. I think you could do better than that.

2346
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 3: With the fourth overall pick in this draft. I don't know.

2347
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 3: I don't have to take a tap, but that's the

2348
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:59,759
Speaker 3: thing that's all about.

2349
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 8: There is no tackle, Like I know Paul's right though,

2350
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 8: it's there's.

2351
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 4: No tackle worthy of being taken with the fourth overall.

2352
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 4: Picture takes somebody out.

2353
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,799
Speaker 3: But it seems there's no nobody. That's that's what is nobody.

2354
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 8: I mean, that's what Daniel Jeremiah is saying, is making.

2355
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,719
Speaker 4: This I'm gonna make Evan faint. I'd rather have genty than.

2356
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 3: A tackle no tackle at four myself.

2357
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 4: Okay, but I wouldn't take genty either. But like you

2358
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 4: could tell me about the Georgia guys. You could tell

2359
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 4: me about Tyler Warren.

2360
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 8: But like Jeremiah, I listened Dale Jeremiah talk about like

2361
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 8: from basically like ten to forty. It's kind of like

2362
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 8: what do you like you know and and how good

2363
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 8: is your scouting staff at projecting how good these guys

2364
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 8: are gonna be. I think it's gonna be a really

2365
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 8: unpredictable draft for that second half of the first night

2366
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 8: and into this.

2367
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 4: I think the same five offensive lineman I think there

2368
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 4: was a year I want to say, oh seven that

2369
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 4: like four that made the Pro Bowl. You could have

2370
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 4: that same five be the offensive line right now and

2371
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 4: none of them would be Pro Bowlers. Tom Brady made

2372
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 4: those guys Pro Bowls. Yeah, I I no doubt.

2373
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,560
Speaker 6: Daniel Jeremiah is like everybody's trying to tell everyone the

2374
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 6: same thing about this draft. Like I would actually say

2375
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 6: it's even further up like he said ten to forty.

2376
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 6: I would say it's like four to forty. Like a

2377
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,639
Speaker 6: lot of this draft is gonna be fit like positional value,

2378
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 6: need scheme, like, you know, is this guy a scheme fit?

2379
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 6: Is he not a scheme like he's gonna It's not

2380
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 6: one of those drafts where there's such overwhelming talent at

2381
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 6: certain positions that you're just saying that's the best guy

2382
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 6: on the board. It's gonna have to make sense for

2383
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:26,719
Speaker 6: your team.

2384
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 8: It's just a question for I want to I want

2385
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,560
Speaker 8: to ask Paul a question. Oh, why is it so

2386
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 8: hard for Patrick Mahomes to find a tackle like Matt Lane.

2387
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:37,559
Speaker 4: I think he had one, but the Chiefs were too

2388
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 4: cheap to pay him and they let him go. Well,

2389
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 4: Lando Brown was better than Matt lt they let him go,

2390
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 4: And I think the Chiefs are exactly like the Patriots

2391
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 4: and they just say, hey, Patrick, make do yeah, yeah,

2392
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 4: and thanks for playing my side of the street. It's

2393
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 4: proof that you don't need that to win if you

2394
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 4: have talent in other places.

2395
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:02,799
Speaker 6: Right when the Super Bowl does.

2396
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 4: I know they've only won three of them, they haven't

2397
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 4: won all five. Admittedly they could have won all five.

2398
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 6: They haven't won the Super Bowl.

2399
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 4: If they had Orlando Brown for all five of those years,

2400
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 4: maybe they would have won all five. But they didn't

2401
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 4: because they cheaped out and you get what you deserve.

2402
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 4: Clock hunts. That's why you finish at the bottom.

2403
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 9: Of the lake.

2404
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 4: The list.

2405
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:22,839
Speaker 3: Let's go to back to the phones, Sewn's and Vancouver.

2406
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:23,639
Speaker 3: What's up, Sean.

2407
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 24: I have a couple of questions with the finding of

2408
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 24: best fights are do you think that's a depth or

2409
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 24: do the Patriots see that as a starter at left guard?

2410
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 24: And then the other question I have is in regard

2411
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 24: to the free agency. I the Patriots had lots of

2412
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 24: needs and I'm pretty happy with what they've done in

2413
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 24: terms of free agents because they've addressed a lot of them,

2414
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,240
Speaker 24: most of them. And when I say addressed, don't mean

2415
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 24: they solved them. We don't know, but they they seem

2416
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 24: to go after a lot of agents that could start.

2417
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 24: And there's two though areas where we haven't addressed them.

2418
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 24: And there's the biggest need, which is left tackle and

2419
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 24: starting to pop wide receiver. Do you think they'll address

2420
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 24: those before the draft happens, like with Cam Robinson or

2421
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 24: Amari Cooper or do you think there's the trade's going

2422
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,599
Speaker 24: to happen. What do you think they would do before

2423
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 24: before crazy then or actually not ends, but when the

2424
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 24: draft actually starts. So I'll take that offline.

2425
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 8: I mean, I think they'd be smart to try to,

2426
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 8: Like I'm with Paul and like sign Cam Robinson, even

2427
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 8: if it doesn't make that much of a difference. But

2428
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 8: I'm open to some of these receivers, the older guys

2429
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 8: that you know, the Steph Diggs, the Amari Coopers of

2430
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 8: the world, that I just don't know what else there

2431
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 8: is out there. And I don't really see with their

2432
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 8: draft position how you're going to land either one of

2433
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 8: those A plus kind of positions in this year's draft.

2434
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 8: Like it just doesn't line up for me. So I

2435
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 8: think they need to try to find some kind of

2436
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 8: answers before the drafts with it. You don't need to

2437
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:03,600
Speaker 8: find the starting left tackle in this draft like that

2438
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 8: seems like a really really hard position to be even

2439
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 8: though they might they might do it. I was was

2440
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 8: Schitzer Shitzer, I'd pencil him in as a starter. But

2441
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 8: I'm just looking at that as in the perfect world,

2442
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 8: Laden Robinson beats him out, you know, Yeah, I.

2443
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 6: Think that's he's starting caliber player, not anymore really, but

2444
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 6: I think he's a camp tryout. I think he's going

2445
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 6: to be He's going to have to make the team,

2446
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just.

2447
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 8: Look at it all like competition and we're praying to

2448
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 8: God that our young guys emerged. But here's a played

2449
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 8: some games and see how he stacked.

2450
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 4: And people have been throwing that Minnesota guy who got released,

2451
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 4: Garrett Bradbury. You know, maybe maybe he's a center. I mean,

2452
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 4: I said to Mike yesterday, like, Minnesota won fourteen games

2453
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 4: last year, he's making less than five million dollars as

2454
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 4: their starting center and they cut him.

2455
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's He was right next to Ben Brown in

2456
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 8: the PF.

2457
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 4: Can't be can't be very good because that's pretty cheap

2458
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 4: for a starting offensive lineman on a good team.

2459
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 8: This it just makes me under like, well, then what

2460
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,760
Speaker 8: are you doing with Cole Strange, Ben Brown and Jake

2461
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 8: Andrews already on the roster if you don't have any

2462
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 8: kind of confidence that three guys spots, you know, emerge.

2463
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,679
Speaker 6: It's a really good guard class, especially when you factor

2464
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 6: in the tackles in college that are probably all going

2465
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 6: to move inside to guard. So one of the better

2466
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 6: I would say probably the strength of the draft on

2467
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 6: offense besides running back as guard. So I don't think

2468
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 6: you have to draft it high, but like if you

2469
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,680
Speaker 6: drop the guard in the third or fourth round, just

2470
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 6: to kind of throw into that that pile with the

2471
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 6: names that you mentioned, and it's just another piece of competition.

2472
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 3: Let Doug Maroon Cook. I'm all for it, Doug Cook, Tyler,

2473
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 3: and Georgia. I agree with Paul that the current staff

2474
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 3: has not actively neglected the offense, and I agree with

2475
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 3: Evan that we shouldn't hold past regimes mistakes against Rabel

2476
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 3: and company. However, in defense of those losing patients for

2477
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:54,640
Speaker 3: offensive developments, it feels like receiver and right tackle have

2478
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 3: been towards the top of the need list going back

2479
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 3: to the Obama administration, whether or not they were as

2480
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 3: a realistic solution and free agency, that feeling of still

2481
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 3: needing those positions and finally building an offense that can

2482
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 3: actually score points is hard to shake.

2483
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 4: I agree it's hard. I think people would feel better

2484
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 4: if the offense was a lot better and the defense

2485
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 4: needed addressing, because you feel like you can win games

2486
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:24,560
Speaker 4: that way more consistently. But I go back to I

2487
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 4: don't have a blueprint that says you have to do this, this,

2488
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 4: and this first and then get that whatever you think

2489
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 4: presents itself, and I think this year Milton Williams was

2490
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 4: the best guy available in free agency by a lot

2491
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 4: of people's opinion. Right, he was the best free agent available.

2492
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,639
Speaker 4: He happens to play defense. The Patriots got him, don't.

2493
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 4: I don't see the need to criticize for improving the

2494
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 4: talent level of your roster, regardless of position.

2495
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 3: Dave in Maine says, I'd like to hear everyone's opinion

2496
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 3: on what Bill would do with the fourth overall pick

2497
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 3: if he were still here, assuming he can't trade down.

2498
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 3: We'd have to get a phone on the beach first

2499
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 3: and ask him. He's been spending time.

2500
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 6: In the beach lately, right, I think Mason Graham defensive line,

2501
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 6: I mean someone in the trench.

2502
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 5: I might say Will Campbell.

2503
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 4: I would have said Will Campbell, but I think he

2504
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 4: probably would have an abnormal thing on the arm length.

2505
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,680
Speaker 3: No, he'd say he can overcome it.

2506
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I think the opposite, Like the whole

2507
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 4: six four four six thing outside linebacker doesn't matter if

2508
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 4: you're an elite athlete.

2509
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 3: If you then again, we wouldn't have Drake May. So

2510
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 3: maybe you know we'd be looking for you.

2511
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 4: Probably wouldn't have Drake May.

2512
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 8: That's what I was thinking is what if they took well,

2513
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 8: you probably have JJ McCarthy. Yeah, if they took joelt

2514
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 8: last year, what would your what would the Patriots thinking be?

2515
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 4: Right now?

2516
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 5: At fourth overall no quarterback but left tackle.

2517
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 4: I think he's lost weight. I don't know. I mean,

2518
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to trust his one hundred and seventy. I

2519
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 4: heard that he's he's dropped some weight, and I think

2520
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 4: he had to have like a second procedure something to

2521
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 4: clean out the I.

2522
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:02,679
Speaker 6: Been able to work out play eventually.

2523
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 3: But all right, let's get back to these callers. We're

2524
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 3: gonna get them on. Eldred North Carolina. What's up? Eldred

2525
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:11,679
Speaker 3: wanted mcmellan.

2526
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 4: Hey, Paul, Yes, sir.

2527
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,479
Speaker 11: Y'all slipping, y'all sleeping on Milton man.

2528
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 14: Let me tell you why?

2529
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 5: Who Milton?

2530
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 11: I'm looking at NFL Milton, Joe Milton.

2531
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm guilty of that.

2532
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 11: You're right, NFL Network. What Darren James he's talking about.

2533
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 11: If I was the Giants, if I was Cleveland, I

2534
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 11: traded to go to the Patriot and get Joe Milton

2535
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 11: because I played against the men and that boy is

2536
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 11: something else and he he's better nose than the draft,

2537
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 11: and I heard that more than once from everybody. And

2538
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 11: if they're talking about them on the network, I wouldn't

2539
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 11: trade for a third. He's gonna give me a suck.

2540
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 3: So remind me he was the sixth round pick, freder

2541
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 3: six sixth round pick. Why did all these kids pass

2542
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 3: up with them in the draft and all of a

2543
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 3: sudden they're in love them, not only but everybody else.

2544
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 6: They didn't know what elgi He was in college for

2545
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 6: six years, Like, how do they not know it?

2546
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 3: Like he so one half of a game.

2547
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 4: I would even say if he had a great summer

2548
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 4: and then he got a chance to play in the game,

2549
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 4: he had a terrible summer. Again, better he got better.

2550
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,720
Speaker 4: He might have gotten better, But he played well in

2551
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 4: the first half of the last game of the year.

2552
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 6: He might have gotten better. That's he might have gotten better.

2553
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 6: But like everybody's had a chance to evaluate Joe Milton

2554
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 6: like they had.

2555
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 3: Him him now and.

2556
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 6: Everybody there's six years in college, he was at the

2557
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 6: Senior Bowl, he played in the preseason.

2558
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 11: This is not.

2559
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 3: Listen. I hope, I hope all these teams love him

2560
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 3: that much.

2561
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I really don't care what he is compared

2562
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 4: to Kim cam Wood like that doesn't like, that doesn't

2563
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 4: matter to me at all. I only care if he's

2564
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 4: an NFL player or not. If I think he could

2565
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 4: be a really good NFL quarterback, I would keep him.

2566
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 4: I don't care if he's better than Shudas Sanders or

2567
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 4: not as good as Will Howard. It doesn't matter to me.

2568
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 4: It only matters to me what I think of him.

2569
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you because he played, he played, he played.

2570
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 4: One game, Like would you would who's that guy that

2571
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 4: the Seahawks gave all that my Matt Flynn? Would you

2572
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 4: take Matt Flynn? He played a great he had that

2573
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 4: great little run there and got him a free agent

2574
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 4: contract at Seattle in a third round rookie who's five

2575
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 4: ten beat him out. Russell Wilson was before he was

2576
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson though, But.

2577
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 6: I just I mean, like you have a large, large sample,

2578
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 6: like maybe one of the largest samples you could possibly

2579
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 6: have on a player with Joe Milton up until this point,

2580
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 6: like the guy who was in college for six years,

2581
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 6: Like he had ample opportunities to start at Michigan and Tennessee.

2582
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 6: Like this is not a prospect that's taken everybody by surprise.

2583
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 4: But Eldred is right. He classified me I am a

2584
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 4: non believer, and I said, I think I said about half.

2585
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 4: This is going to be the next thing I'm wrong about.

2586
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 4: I just don't see it. But there's a million things

2587
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 4: that if you give you a list of that I

2588
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 4: was wrong about as could be the next one.

2589
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 3: Hey, Chester, what's up?

2590
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 25: Thanks for squeezing me in here. At the end, it's

2591
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 25: time for a little I'll call of crime.

2592
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 14: All right.

2593
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 25: This one goes out to mister tax bracket Chris Christian

2594
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 25: in La aka Chris with an STFU O. This guy

2595
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 25: is in short sided analysis is absolutely making my blood boil.

2596
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 25: You know, the whole goal going into this offseason was

2597
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 25: to build from the inside out, starting with heart, character

2598
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 25: and then obviously literally its physician. You know, getting Williams

2599
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 25: Moses Splaine really solidifies our d And you know, we've

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01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 25: been playing from behind for so long. I think we

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01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 25: can finally flip the script here now. You know, as

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01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 25: asing said right after the call, you know we've got

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01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 25: the draft.

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01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 10: We've got a lot to.

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01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 25: Look forward to here. But I got to tell you, man,

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01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 25: Splaine really gets me fired up. We need a guy

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01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 25: with a motor. That's passionate. You know, he's got a

2608
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 25: lot around him. But you know, I feel like we

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01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 25: got another Nikovich type of a linebacker back there to

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01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 25: really set the tone behind the D line. And you know,

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01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 25: feeling really strong about that. Another thing the elephant in

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01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 25: the room to me, guys, you know, where's Josh McDaniels

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01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 25: In the conversation of having an offensive mind on this

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01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 25: coaching staff. I feel like things are gonna get back

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01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 25: to where they need to be in terms of orchestrating

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01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 25: a competent offense. I'm excited about this.

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01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 3: You know, we gotta build it.

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01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 25: Running back. I think we go late, try to get

2619
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 25: guy like camp Scataboo. That's another passion guy, and you know,

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01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 25: hopefully he can fit in. But listen, I'm all in

2621
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 25: on getting excited, optimistic. Let's go, let's get to the

2622
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 25: pro shop. Let's slide from apparel and that's all I got.

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01:57:50,400 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 3: All right, thanks, jes Let's go. Let's go bring them in.

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01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:05,240
Speaker 4: They need to improve the offense. If they're going to

2625
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 4: do what he said though, you're gonna start playing from

2626
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,480
Speaker 4: in front, right, they need to find a way to score. Yeah, right,

2627
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 4: Having a good defense doesn't give you a lead. Let's

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01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 4: just maybe maybe you're not down by three touchdowns like

2629
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 4: you were last year, but you got to find a

2630
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 4: way to score in these games.

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01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 6: You can all you can all complain about the offense

2632
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 6: in May first, Okay, like just if they get through

2633
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 6: the draft and we're still in this position, even.

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01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 3: Then, there's gonna be some changes after that. You know, guys,

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01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 3: you still think that just happens. It's always happened. There's

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01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 3: a lot of history there.

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01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 4: Who's the guy that got last year?

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01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 9: After that?

2639
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 3: Say, every year it happens, but it's the guy.

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01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 5: They got the year before Cam Newton?

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01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 8: Was that the Cam Newton year.

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01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 3: We can't judge anything by the last four years.

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01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 4: That's that's what you get at that time of year,

2644
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 4: Cam Newton and.

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01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 3: At the time we were our heads were exploding, right.

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01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 3: We had an emergency podcast when we got him.

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01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 4: We did, but that's for the same reasons. It's not

2648
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 4: because we thought the offense was fixed.

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01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 3: No, But it was exciting to get a former m

2650
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 3: v P.

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01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:09,800
Speaker 6: You know, just like I'm to watch the new draft

2652
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 6: night if they do get Travis Hunter on Thursday night,

2653
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 6: and I believe that the plan will be to play

2654
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 6: them at wide.

2655
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 3: Try him there first.

2656
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that changes this then all.

2657
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 6: Of a sudden, like all these like people neglecting the offense,

2658
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 6: it's like not so much sitting there.

2659
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 4: And that's what keeps saying I'm not going to get

2660
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 4: them in trouble for things that they haven't done yet.

2661
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,320
Speaker 4: That's one of his stupid crutch phrases that he uses

2662
01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:39,000
Speaker 4: all the time. But like, if they do that, and

2663
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 4: he's the best wide receiver in the draft, like everybody says,

2664
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,839
Speaker 4: and the Patriots view him as that, right, the Patriots

2665
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 4: are on record, well not record, but there's reports that

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01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,680
Speaker 4: indicate the Patriots believe he's the best corner and wide

2667
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:54,000
Speaker 4: receiver in the draft, right, right, So if you draft him,

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01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 4: like Evan said at four, the generationalking about is your playing?

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02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, sign me up?

2670
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 6: Okay, do you want gent stop?

2671
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:08,440
Speaker 5: I mean, if he's still on the board.

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02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 3: What would you go? What would you give to go

2673
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 3: from fourth to number two in order to get Travis Hunter, Joe.

2674
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 4: Milton co sign I would give Joe Milton for that?

2675
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:24,680
Speaker 3: Would you give up two threes?

2676
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 8: Just not sixteen nine?

2677
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 4: I don't know what sure, I don't know what it

2678
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:34,040
Speaker 4: costs him about two spots in this draft.

2679
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either, Like.

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02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 4: I don't want to say, like, oh yeah, would give

2681
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 4: two threes to find out? Like what do you kiddit?

2682
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 4: You could have given up a fifth to do that,

2683
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:42,200
Speaker 4: Like I don't, I don't. I don't know those numbers

2684
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 4: off the top of my head.

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02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:43,400
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 3: So all right, that's all right. Well that's going to

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02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 3: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be

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02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:53,200
Speaker 3: back on Thursday with another show. Catch twenty two is

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02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 3: tomorrow at noon. Yes, okay, so catch Barth and Evan

2690
02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 3: on that one, and I'm sure they'll have some live discourse.

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02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 3: So we will see you Thursday.

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Speaker 6: I meant the tangible numbers.

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