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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 4: whill we welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You've heard
Speaker 4: of the ripple effect, how one thing you do can
Speaker 4: make a difference in many lives. Well, it is said
Speaker 4: that when we pass, we have a life review. No
Speaker 4: one is making us right or wrong. It's just a
Speaker 4: moral inventory of what we accomplished and the difference we
Speaker 4: made in life. First, we review our lives from the
Speaker 4: perspective of others that we impacted. Then we get to
Speaker 4: see the ripple effect of our actions, those little moments
Speaker 4: that we made a difference, and where it carried on from.
Speaker 4: Then I have a real treat for you today. For
Speaker 4: the first time, medium Scott Milligan tells his story of
Speaker 4: a man named John Austen. Without John Austen going for
Speaker 4: his proof of life after death, he would have never
Speaker 4: brought Scott into his home circle. Had Scott not impacted
Speaker 4: my life, I would have never gone on to share
Speaker 4: the evidence of the afterlife, and shades of the afterlife
Speaker 4: would never have been born. You've heard Scott's voice before
Speaker 4: on the show, especially a gentleman by the name of
Speaker 4: Eric that speaks through Scott in trance. Scott Milligan is
Speaker 4: the top physical and trance medium in the world, and
Speaker 4: his story today is certain to give you goosebumps. He'll
Speaker 4: be sharing about home circles, but also something called table tipping.
Speaker 4: So just imagine, if you will, two or more people
Speaker 4: gathered around a small table fingertips resting lightly on it,
Speaker 4: and what was normal at the time was holding these
Speaker 4: seances and asking is there anyone there? And the table
Speaker 4: would lift, or the table would tap on the floor,
Speaker 4: one tap for yes, two taps for no. They'd even
Speaker 4: use the table to tap out certain letters in the
Speaker 4: alphabet to spell words. So buckle your seat belt and
Speaker 4: enjoy the wonderful story of John Austen, how his heartbreak
Speaker 4: led to the ripple effect and you and I being
Speaker 4: here today.
Speaker 3: He was a very strict man ex army, and he
Speaker 3: had two children with his wife Geraldine. One was called
Speaker 3: Howard and the youngest son was John junior. Howard was
Speaker 3: showing every sign of success. He was a very good runner, jumper,
Speaker 3: all round person and there was hopes for him to
Speaker 3: go to the Olympics at a young age. He traveled
Speaker 3: down to Hastings on the fifth of November nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: He was traveling from Hastings to charing Cross and Howard
Speaker 3: and his girlfriend and his best mate had their life
Speaker 3: come to end on hither Green train crasher incident. John
Speaker 3: remembered getting the knock and the policeman was standing there
Speaker 3: and he had to go and id his son's remains.
Speaker 3: He said he fell into a sense of grief where
Speaker 3: he didn't want to live anymore. He just wanted to
Speaker 3: lie down and sleep. It was his wife, Geraldine, who
Speaker 3: got him back to a place where he was able
Speaker 3: to go back to work. Unknown to him at this time,
Speaker 3: his auntie was a voice medium. She was able to
Speaker 3: hear the spirits but also create voices around her that
Speaker 3: were able to be heard. The family thought that his
Speaker 3: auntie was strange, but he said it felt quite natural
Speaker 3: to investigate that. So he started looking at the possibility
Speaker 3: of making contact. And the way he started to look
Speaker 3: at this was from the book On the Edge of
Speaker 3: the Etheric by Arthur Finley, which is a popular book
Speaker 3: within our community, tells you about how Arthur Finley himself
Speaker 3: investigated a direct voice medium by the name John Campbell Sloane.
Speaker 3: And without John Campbell Sloane, I don't think we'll have
Speaker 3: the wonderful Arthur Finny College. Because through his evidence that
Speaker 3: gave Arthur Finley the sufficient proof he bequeathed the House
Speaker 3: of Stancid Hall to the Spiritual National Union. So John
Speaker 3: looked at ideas of how to contact his son, and
Speaker 3: one of the most popular ones was to sit round
Speaker 3: a table and called it as table phenomena, or it
Speaker 3: was known as the parlor trick. Him and his wife
Speaker 3: would sit day in day out, seeing if it was
Speaker 3: possible for the table to move. He said, some days
Speaker 3: it moved, some days it did not. It could take
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty minutes before any kind of activity started
Speaker 3: to show. They used to play songs on the real
Speaker 3: to real, and then all of a sudden, the table
Speaker 3: started to move. On occasion, John told me that he
Speaker 3: was sitting there and his wife was opposite, and his
Speaker 3: wife was showing early signs of MS, and it was
Speaker 3: slowly attacking her body, and the table started to move
Speaker 3: in front, and then all of a sudden, the table disappeared,
Speaker 3: and he believed that his wife had stood up from
Speaker 3: the wheelchair and grabbed the table and lifted it to
Speaker 3: the ceiling. So he turned up the light and there
Speaker 3: was Jerry sitting opposite in the chair, amazed that the
Speaker 3: table had disappeared, and as they looked up, it was
Speaker 3: pinned to the ceiling and it came crashing down and
Speaker 3: the leg broke off. He wanted to know if it
Speaker 3: was possible that if this was being done by a trick,
Speaker 3: be it through their own power or from the spirits.
Speaker 3: But back then he was still having this argument, is
Speaker 3: it going to be wrong to contact the dead? Because
Speaker 3: back in those days religion had a very stronghold. But
Speaker 3: he started to go to different places and one of
Speaker 3: them was Belgrave Square, which was where the wonderful medium
Speaker 3: Doris Fisher Stokes was demonstrating. And Doris Fisher Stokes was
Speaker 3: a clare Audium, but she was also a stickler for
Speaker 3: if you turned up late to the demonstration. She never
Speaker 3: liked that. And lo and behold. John was the last
Speaker 3: one with his wife to enter the demonstration. As they
Speaker 3: were entering the hall, which was packed to capacity, John
Speaker 3: and Geraldine were being moved towards the front because Geraldine
Speaker 3: was in the wheelchair, and Doris Fisher Stokes stops and
Speaker 3: said you, pointing to John, and gave him something like
Speaker 3: thirty eight names of his family members, which all was correct,
Speaker 3: and she said, one day the trumpets will lift and
Speaker 3: the dead will walk again in your front room. Go
Speaker 3: away and work at it. So there was always signposts
Speaker 3: that something was going to happen, but it was a
Speaker 3: chance to meet him with the wonderful direct voice medium
Speaker 3: Leslie Flint. Leslie Flint used to sit there and suck
Speaker 3: on a sweep and voices were heard around him, and
Speaker 3: they believed that he had two vocal cords and he
Speaker 3: was throwing his voice. So they made him hold water
Speaker 3: in his mouth or marbles and then seal his mouth up,
Speaker 3: and then the voices would come. They put microphones to
Speaker 3: its own vocal chords, and when the voices spoke, there
Speaker 3: was no noises coming from him. So he had the
Speaker 3: title of independent direct Voice. John got a sit in
Speaker 3: with Leslie Flint with a few other people and paid
Speaker 3: two pound fifty per ticket, so that was five pound
Speaker 3: back then, and that was a lot of money. He
Speaker 3: sat there and he reminisced, and he said that Leslie
Speaker 3: would sit there and go, come along Mickey, which was
Speaker 3: his spirit helper. I said, come along, Mickey, come and
Speaker 3: talk to them. And Mickey would come and talk and
Speaker 3: went straight to Geraldine, and Geraldine was sitting there, and
Speaker 3: he said, oh, you've got a lot of power, and
Speaker 3: as Geraldine said, have I and he said, oh, hang on,
Speaker 3: there's someone pushing their way forward. And then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, Mickey's voice changed and out came the voice
Speaker 3: of their son, Howard. She said it sounded like him.
Speaker 3: The words that he used to use, was being heard
Speaker 3: again in the order the idiosyncrasy. She said, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's my son. And then the voice of Howard said,
Speaker 3: come on, Dad, talk to me. And you hear John
Speaker 3: on the the real to real saying, oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness. And I said to him, what was
Speaker 3: that like? And he said, imagine, imagine if you will.
Speaker 3: You're in the darkest and most painful nightmare, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden being ripped from that and being
Speaker 3: put in a place of paradise. He said, everything that
Speaker 3: was wrong with me was fixed with this moment of
Speaker 3: this voice talking. He said, it was my son. And
Speaker 3: not only did they bring the Sun, they brought the
Speaker 3: girlfriend of the Sun to talk. The parents of the
Speaker 3: girlfriend didn't want anything to do with what we know,
Speaker 3: and I felt John's pain, he said. I went round
Speaker 3: there and told them and they shouted back at me,
Speaker 3: which reminded me that not everyone is open to what
Speaker 3: we do. From that, the sittings became more frequent. That's
Speaker 3: all they seemed to do. They just wanted to make
Speaker 3: contact with their son. On one occasion that a lady
Speaker 3: from Cardiff came down who was friends of Geraldine they
Speaker 3: decided to do a table sitting, but by then the
Speaker 3: sitting had advanced and they had a real to real
Speaker 3: they would record their sittings because back then it was
Speaker 3: quicker to speak it than to write it. Jareddine opened
Speaker 3: the circle and the table started to move, and she said,
Speaker 3: is that you boys? And you would hear on the
Speaker 3: tape recorder Jaredine saying the table has responded yes. Then
Speaker 3: halfway through the cat walked in, and as the cat
Speaker 3: walks in, Jareddine said, be careful of the cat. The
Speaker 3: table has responded yes. At the end of the sitting,
Speaker 3: the lady from Cardiff said, I've never heard my voice
Speaker 3: on the tape recorder before, and John said, let's play
Speaker 3: it back. And as they wound it back, as they
Speaker 3: started to listen to each other, when Jeraldine said, is
Speaker 3: that you boys in Howard's voice, it responded yes, m'am,
Speaker 3: we're here. When it came to the cat, when she
Speaker 3: said be careful of the cat, Howard's voice as clear
Speaker 3: as I'm talking to you now bonds I won't hurt
Speaker 3: black Kie, which was the name of the cat. I
Speaker 3: think from then the proof just got more and more.
Speaker 3: They decided to renovate the front room with a red
Speaker 3: spotted carpet. Can you imagine it? Beautiful red with black
Speaker 3: spots and whatever else you can think of thrown into it.
Speaker 3: Because the spirit world said they need the color red
Speaker 3: within the room. So John said, fine, we'll get the carpet.
Speaker 3: So they went off to a carpet shop and there
Speaker 3: was a young man there in his thirties. He went
Speaker 3: over to speak to Geraldine, and Geraldine hushed him away
Speaker 3: very quickly. You're not selling me that. Go away, and
Speaker 3: they went round they found the red carpet that they wanted.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 4: We're talking with Scott Milligan and the amazing John and
Speaker 4: Geraldine Austin. Last week left them, they experienced a reunion
Speaker 4: with their son. They were told to redecorate their front room,
Speaker 4: and now they are in a carpet shop meeting a
Speaker 4: salesman for their brand new red spotted carpet.
Speaker 3: This young man came back. They explained to him that
Speaker 3: they needed for their front room. This young man was
Speaker 3: short stuffed this day, and he agreed to go round
Speaker 3: there and measure the carpet space. So the young man
Speaker 3: went to this room where they were holding frequent sittings
Speaker 3: with the spirit wild and as he was measuring up
Speaker 3: the carpet. John came in with a cup of tea
Speaker 3: and said, you know, we hold seances here and he
Speaker 3: said I would often say that to people to see
Speaker 3: how they responded. And this young man just took it
Speaker 3: in his stride and said oh. And John said, what
Speaker 3: do you think about that? So I'm interested. I've been
Speaker 3: to some meetings. He said, would you want to be
Speaker 3: part of a table sitting? Would you want to sit?
Speaker 3: And he said yes. So they decided to get the
Speaker 3: table out. And as they sat and the table began
Speaker 3: to move, John said, rocks to the strongest medium, and
Speaker 3: ordinarily it would knock into John, but this time it
Speaker 3: moved to the young man. He said, I've been waiting
Speaker 3: for you, and he remembered what Doris Fisher Stokes said
Speaker 3: forty years beforehand. The trumpets will lift and the dead
Speaker 3: will walk again. In your front room, young man sitting
Speaker 3: there was Colin Fry and he was the medium for
Speaker 3: that circle. Now, if Colin was in his thirties and
Speaker 3: the prophecy was forty years ago, it showed that the
Speaker 3: other world had already prepared the development before Colin was born.
Speaker 3: And that's why John, without any flicker, he sat with
Speaker 3: his wife to create good power. Within twenty one weeks,
Speaker 3: they sat with Colin for one hour a week, so
Speaker 3: it's twenty one hours. Colin went from being a person
Speaker 3: who was interested to being the materialization medium and having
Speaker 3: the dead materialize in the front room, and the prophecy
Speaker 3: came about.
Speaker 4: Just want to ask a question, when you said they
Speaker 4: sat for forty years, could you just give us like
Speaker 4: what that would look like John and Geraldine being together.
Speaker 3: Of course, if you could imagine this room, what they
Speaker 3: used to use was their front room, and they would
Speaker 3: black out the window so no natural light came in.
Speaker 3: So if the other world wanted to create a light
Speaker 3: or anything like that, it wasn't a passing car or
Speaker 3: anything like that at all. They would have two chairs
Speaker 3: in the middle, and in between the two chairs there'll
Speaker 3: be a table. To the side of that will be
Speaker 3: another table which will have the tape recorder on, and
Speaker 3: it will be very basic. They would sit be quiet
Speaker 3: for a few minutes to settle themselves down. They would
Speaker 3: then open traditionally in prayer, and then they would welcome
Speaker 3: the spirit close. But then they'll forget about the spirit world.
Speaker 3: They would just sit for the table without any pressure
Speaker 3: by saying come on or this or that. The table
Speaker 3: would just respond because there was no demands. I knew
Speaker 3: a husband and wife that sat for fifteen years, and
Speaker 3: every time they sat for the table, the husband say
Speaker 3: come on, move and all that business, come on, move,
Speaker 3: We're giving you everything, and it didn't move at all.
Speaker 3: And on this last day he said, if you're not
Speaker 3: going to move, we're not going to do it anymore.
Speaker 3: Nothing happened in that city. He said, we've given you
Speaker 3: fifteen years of our lives and all that business. We're off,
Speaker 3: probably off to the pub. And as they stood up
Speaker 3: and walked out the room, the table then walked independently
Speaker 3: behind them, knocking in. It showed them the moment we
Speaker 3: stopped demanding it, that's when the freedom comes from the
Speaker 3: spirit world. So basically, because Colin was showing rapid unfold
Speaker 3: and back in nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety one, I
Speaker 3: have to also note at this time that our world
Speaker 3: had two very great physical mediums, one being Gordon Higginson
Speaker 3: and the other one being Leslie Flint. Gordon Higginson had
Speaker 3: had a series of strokes and Leslie Flint was being
Speaker 3: diagnosed with lung cancer. So we had two of our
Speaker 3: big hitters preparing their final years. Gordon passed the spirit
Speaker 3: world in nineteen ninety three and Leslie in ninety four,
Speaker 3: so I think the spirit world was already preparing for them,
Speaker 3: leaving for someone else to take on the responsibility. Colin
Speaker 3: was showing rapid development, and they didn't want people to
Speaker 3: know who Colin was because with Leslie Flint, people would
Speaker 3: knock at all hours of the night and saying I'm
Speaker 3: in grief and I need your help. And little Leslie
Speaker 3: was so soft hearted he couldn't deny people that sit in.
Speaker 3: His partner Bram was like, no, no, no, you need
Speaker 3: your rest. So they changed Colin's name to Lincoln, which
Speaker 3: was like a kind of anagram of his name, so
Speaker 3: they used all the letters, mixed it all up, and
Speaker 3: he was known as the Medium Lincoln. Colin in the
Speaker 3: early days was very faster going off. He used to
Speaker 3: have a Oriental man that spoke through him called the Mandarin,
Speaker 3: and the Mandar would and set out the course of
Speaker 3: what was going to take place. But the first real
Speaker 3: voice that kind of identified themselves was Dr Alexander Bell,
Speaker 3: which was the inventor of the telephone. Alexander Bell was
Speaker 3: being used in how to communicate. He had the mind
Speaker 3: of making the wires in this world and in the
Speaker 3: spirit world. His talent who was being used to see
Speaker 3: if they can control Colin in a certain way. Colin
Speaker 3: was showing very quick signs of progression. John would tell
Speaker 3: me that he would have his son materialize and talk
Speaker 3: to him. But at this point Geraldine was becoming very,
Speaker 3: very unwell. She had to withdraw from the circle, and
Speaker 3: on the Sunday night she was bedbound and it was
Speaker 3: very clear that she wasn't going to see the morning.
Speaker 3: John stood at the end of her bed along with Pat.
Speaker 3: They said that you saw this light leave her and
Speaker 3: said it's not going to be long now, and John said,
Speaker 3: you go home, let me sit with my wife. By
Speaker 3: the time she got home, the phone rang and he said,
Speaker 3: it is a great joy that my wife has now
Speaker 3: joined my son. And Pat said, are you wow? Do
Speaker 3: you need me? And he said, I'm okay, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: I will see you on Tuesday for circle. So Tuesday came,
Speaker 3: the circle was broken. They tied Colin to a chair
Speaker 3: and they willed Geraldine's wheelchair into the room. As they
Speaker 3: sat out came this wonderful woman, not bound in a chair,
Speaker 3: not had any illness, and said to John, you can
Speaker 3: get rid of that. And the chair flew back towards
Speaker 3: the door and said I'm fine, I'm well. And John said,
Speaker 3: who met you? And she said Howard. Of course, my
Speaker 3: mother was there, my sister was there. Oh, John, heaven
Speaker 3: does exist. And I remember him telling me that, and
Speaker 3: I said, how do you feel? And he said, how
Speaker 3: can I be upset? This woman was confined to a
Speaker 3: chair and now is walking with my son. How can
Speaker 3: I be upset? I'm just frustrated now because I'm here.
Speaker 3: And Geraldine said, you need to continue the work. You've
Speaker 3: got more work to do. We've got things to do
Speaker 3: over here when it's time you come over. So then
Speaker 3: the circle carried on, and John made that promise, same time,
Speaker 3: same place, same people, and harmony moving swiftly on. If
Speaker 3: I may, many of you know of my coming into
Speaker 3: this form of work, so I'm not going to bore
Speaker 3: you with that. I was traveling to Hayward, Teef, which
Speaker 3: is a town next to my five minutes. That's where
Speaker 3: Colin lived. We were going to speak to Magnus. We
Speaker 3: were allowed to ask questions, very similar to what we
Speaker 3: do on a Friday night with the questions and answers
Speaker 3: with our friend Eric. I thought, oh, I don't want
Speaker 3: to sound silly in front of all the people that
Speaker 3: sit more often than I do. So I started to
Speaker 3: formulate a question in my mind and said, oh, Magnus,
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask this. And I thought, that's silly, Magnus,
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask this, and in my head that's
Speaker 3: how I sound. So I started to travel on the train.
Speaker 3: I thought, now I'm going to ask Magnus this one.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I get to the
Speaker 3: meeting room, I sit in there and I've forgot my question,
Speaker 3: and so I've now started to panic. And then I thought,
Speaker 3: I'm going to think of this question as it came
Speaker 3: to ask questions like being picked for the gym. You're
Speaker 3: going to be the last one. So you're sweating and
Speaker 3: you're not relaxed because you think you're going to be silly.
Speaker 3: And I went hello Magnus and he said, my dear boy,
Speaker 3: the answer to your first question is this. Answer your
Speaker 3: second question is that, And he said, in answer to
Speaker 3: your third question, we heard you on your CHEW two
Speaker 3: train and that then catapulted me even further. But the
Speaker 3: one that got me, I think really besides my personal
Speaker 3: communication from my sister and having her materialized, I was
Speaker 3: so angry that my father died in the way he died,
Speaker 3: and as I was really in a bad place, my
Speaker 3: sister's voice returned to me and said, you've had him
Speaker 3: for thirty five years, my turn, and that anger left
Speaker 3: me because I've had him for Christmas and listened to
Speaker 3: his voice, and my sister, Emma, the only child in
Speaker 3: the spirit world of my father, has probably sat there
Speaker 3: and gone, excuse me, I'm here, and we've all ignored her.
Speaker 3: So that anger that I had had melted away. So
Speaker 3: with Colin, I think the haha moments became when I
Speaker 3: was part of other people's messages. There was this little
Speaker 3: old lady and she must have been in her seventies.
Speaker 3: Her husband materializes. She's not interested in talking to her husband.
Speaker 3: Her husband's brought the parrot that used to be a
Speaker 3: family pet. The parrot has flown out the cabinet and
Speaker 3: flying around the salts room, and she's oh, pretty boy,
Speaker 3: pretty boy coming back, and all of this husband's trying
Speaker 3: to talk. She's not interested in husband. She's talking to
Speaker 3: poll parrot whatever the name was, which was a family pet.
Speaker 3: So we cannot measure grief of who we want to
Speaker 3: talk to.
Speaker 4: As Scott talks about those questions I've had that happen
Speaker 4: to me. On our fridays with Scott when he does
Speaker 4: the trance demonstration, people type their questions into a Q
Speaker 4: and A box. Scott's eyes are closed. I'm the only
Speaker 4: one who can see the questions, but very often Eric
Speaker 4: can read the questions and knows what people are going
Speaker 4: to ask him. We'll be right back with more stories
Speaker 4: from the seance Room with Scott Milligan. We're listening to
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 4: These stories are incredible and if they seem too good
Speaker 4: to be true, they're not. Go way back to episode
Speaker 4: number three. Listen to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. He gave
Speaker 4: up writing Sherlock Holmes when he found out about this
Speaker 4: form of mediumship. So let's get back to more stories
Speaker 4: with Scott Milligan.
Speaker 3: Another time, a lady next to me called Hazel Hunt.
Speaker 3: She was sitting there and earlier that morning her cat
Speaker 3: was euphanized. Her uncle Ted walked out the cabinet, went
Speaker 3: over to her who was sitting next to me. Took
Speaker 3: my hand off of her because we always used to
Speaker 3: sit and hold hands because it was a nice comfortable
Speaker 3: thing to do. Took my hand off without fumbling, took
Speaker 3: her hands and then the cat materialized from the uncle
Speaker 3: landed on that jumped on my lap. And you know
Speaker 3: how cats do this like kind of claw and scratch.
Speaker 3: That was happening to my kneecap. The cat jumped on
Speaker 3: the floor. The spirit child ran out of the cabinet said,
Speaker 3: get back here. Uncle Ted's still talking. The cat's running
Speaker 3: around the room like a lunatic kid on sugar. The
Speaker 3: kids trying to catch the cap. And this was normal
Speaker 3: because you feel the love within the room, and that's
Speaker 3: the important thing. Death destroys us. Death rings that dark,
Speaker 3: unbelievable suffocation of grief. And the reason we feel so
Speaker 3: rubbish is because we have loved someone, truly loves someone
Speaker 3: and that's what comes is like the sun being chased
Speaker 3: by the curtain of night. When their sun has set,
Speaker 3: this darkness descends on us and it's overbearing. But then
Speaker 3: when you hear a voice or you have these moments,
Speaker 3: a little star appears, and then the moon appears, and
Speaker 3: then that fades and the sun rises again, and you
Speaker 3: learn to breathe, you learn to live. And that's what
Speaker 3: happens in the sales room. It's love. These people who
Speaker 3: play around with it, they are more for the phenomena,
Speaker 3: but we for the voices. We sat to bring a
Speaker 3: loved one back into the room. Nothing you can say
Speaker 3: to me, whatever, shake me from this rock.
Speaker 4: Talk about how you witness this, because there are times
Speaker 4: that a red light is on. Most of it's held
Speaker 4: in the dark, so you're hearing things. And this is
Speaker 4: happening in private homes. This isn't somebody charging you two
Speaker 4: hundred dollars to come witness this. These are private citizens
Speaker 4: and private homes where this is taking place.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, But before I go with that, can I
Speaker 3: be controversial and explain the reason? Sure, I think it's important.
Speaker 3: Some city so and so decided to fake a demonstration.
Speaker 3: It was all the scandal, and it sent a shock
Speaker 3: wave through people like myself had to come out fighting.
Speaker 3: We had to come out and say we need to
Speaker 3: educate as much as possible. A seance is about a
Speaker 3: loved one, not about the phenomen If the phenomena happens,
Speaker 3: it's got to be intelligent. If objects appear, it's got
Speaker 3: to have meaning. If money is to change hands, we've
Speaker 3: got to ensure that whatever happens, this is coming from
Speaker 3: the spirit world, not through ego. I was met by
Speaker 3: a lady who will remain nameless, who was very good
Speaker 3: at drawing the faces of people who are in the
Speaker 3: other world, a spirit portrait artist. And she came, we've
Speaker 3: all steamed from her and said, the spirit worlds and intelligence,
Speaker 3: they don't need darkness. And I said, you're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: but the medium's body needs that darkness to produce the
Speaker 3: energy that helps with the phenomena. I hear you are
Speaker 3: a spirit artist and she said yes. I said, I
Speaker 3: hear you're a very good one. She said yes, and
Speaker 3: I thought, no, we go there then, and I said,
Speaker 3: so how do you work. Do you use a piece
Speaker 3: of paper? Yes, and started giving me the regalia of
Speaker 3: what she uses. And I said, the spirit world's in intelligence.
Speaker 3: They don't need all of that, but your body needs
Speaker 3: the paper and the pencil to express what is moving
Speaker 3: through you. So please respect at the moment that people
Speaker 3: will have to sit in the dark. But we are
Speaker 3: moving towards the light. So that's the reasons why at
Speaker 3: the moment, because our body needs it. But there are
Speaker 3: times when the other world, when we're patient, when we
Speaker 3: have the opportunity, the other world will say it is time.
Speaker 3: And one of these occasions, I remember Colin was behind
Speaker 3: a curtain. He had been searched as we always do, restrained,
Speaker 3: as we always do. If it's private or public, we
Speaker 3: would always time down. As we were sitting there, the
Speaker 3: voice appeared and said, put on the light. And the
Speaker 3: light was low, but we were still able to see
Speaker 3: each other and there was no trickery. There's no wires.
Speaker 3: And the cabinet curtains parted and out came a baby head.
Speaker 3: And this baby's head came out so far it had
Speaker 3: no shoulders, but it was just a head. The eyes
Speaker 3: opened and it blinked and the facial express changed. Back
Speaker 3: then they didn't have the doors. What could do that?
Speaker 3: This was a baby, This was a living breathing baby,
Speaker 3: and then it just evaporated. But then hands would appear
Speaker 3: through the curtain, so you would see this hand would
Speaker 3: come out, but then it will go further than someone's arm.
Speaker 3: It was like two meters long, and it would move
Speaker 3: and come around the room, or occasionally, if they couldn't
Speaker 3: put on the red light, they would glow themselves. So
Speaker 3: this hand would start to glow and move across the room,
Speaker 3: physical that all of us can see. It wasn't an
Speaker 3: optical illusion. We saw this hand glowing, but then there
Speaker 3: would be a foot walking along. But the foot would
Speaker 3: go in a different direction to the hand, which was
Speaker 3: physically impossible. It wasn't someone just stretching out. They would
Speaker 3: move in separate directions. And bear in mind the ceiling
Speaker 3: was a Victorian house, so you're looking at three and
Speaker 3: a half to four meters high, which is two of
Speaker 3: me on top, the hands going up to the ceilum
Speaker 3: knocking on the ceiling. Whether the foot is carrying on
Speaker 3: bouncing around the room. So isn't someone sitting on a ladder,
Speaker 3: It's impossible. And another one was in Australia. The medium
Speaker 3: was restrained and the curtains in front and the red
Speaker 3: light came on and they started to put a hand
Speaker 3: under the curtain, and you think it could be the medium.
Speaker 3: It's got the hand three and the hands underneath the curtain,
Speaker 3: and then about I would say six to seven foot high,
Speaker 3: another hand came at the top. Now the medium is
Speaker 3: only five foot nothing, so very small. I'm a giant
Speaker 3: mix to this one. And both hands are moving, and
Speaker 3: then the curtain starts to lift, and you then start
Speaker 3: to see the medium's legs still the medium is seated.
Speaker 3: You see the medium's hands still tied. But these two
Speaker 3: separate hands would appear in light for all of us
Speaker 3: in the room to see. I think, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: what I tell you is my story. You may think, Scott,
Speaker 3: this is not possible. I have no reason to lie
Speaker 3: to you. But I do say. Believe not a word
Speaker 3: I say, and to experience it yourself, wherever that may be.
Speaker 3: There are other occasions when the light came on and
Speaker 3: you saw what looked like white cloth or from the
Speaker 3: medium's mouth down to about thirty to thirty five centimeters,
Speaker 3: and then it came back up and went over the
Speaker 3: head and then in through the left ear and disappeared.
Speaker 3: And that happened in front of thirty people and I
Speaker 3: was up close.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of great stories of mediums in the
Speaker 4: past asked with all these wonderful materializations, there was a
Speaker 4: point in your development that the spirit world, as I
Speaker 4: remember the story, you got the choice to go for
Speaker 4: those phenomena with lights on seeing the ectoplasm. There's pictures
Speaker 4: I've seen of you with the ectoplasm? Or is it
Speaker 4: more important to bring loved ones voices through? And I
Speaker 4: know you, but if you could just talk about why
Speaker 4: when you demonstrate or what your priority is and your
Speaker 4: spirit team.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think really I need to just give you
Speaker 3: a bit of background because with myself, the phenomena became
Speaker 3: very aggressive. And what I mean by aggressive. When I
Speaker 3: used to sit the sofa that two people would sit
Speaker 3: on would be pushed quite violently back, or will start
Speaker 3: to tip on one side and down on the other
Speaker 3: and rock like a seesaw. Trumpets would lift, the bells
Speaker 3: would ring really loud, and there was knocking on all
Speaker 3: the walls running across the ceiling. It was a very
Speaker 3: uncontrolled condition. But I had really good sitters that gave
Speaker 3: me a lot of power. It was John's wish back
Speaker 3: before he passed, which was in July of two thy
Speaker 3: and eleven, that if he could see the actor plasm
Speaker 3: through me, and I think the other world knew he
Speaker 3: was getting ready to transition. So they threw everything at
Speaker 3: me and we were able to put on the light
Speaker 3: and we had this pouring of phenomena. In those days,
Speaker 3: I was moving towards working in a professional capacity and
Speaker 3: I was being taken to the Artha Finley College to demonstrate.
Speaker 3: And part of the conditions of working at the Arfathinnity
Speaker 3: College was to show a form of phenomena. So I
Speaker 3: had a lot of the seances. At a certain point
Speaker 3: they say turn on the light and keep the light.
Speaker 3: E a lady who's just recently left the college by
Speaker 3: the name of Tania Smith. She can verify this for
Speaker 3: me along with the sixty people who were present. Exoplasm
Speaker 3: poursed from the nostrils, from the mouth and from my
Speaker 3: belly down to the floor, and it rolled and creeps,
Speaker 3: and at the end of it they formed the basics
Speaker 3: of a hand what started to walk across the floor
Speaker 3: and it was about three meters away from me. Tanya
Speaker 3: was asked to take the key and unlock the door
Speaker 3: of the library at the Art of Finley College and
Speaker 3: to open the door gently to allow natural light to
Speaker 3: come in. The ectoplasm was able to stay out and
Speaker 3: continue to move, even though it started to evaporate a
Speaker 3: little bit, but it was still there. I was becoming
Speaker 3: very popular, but I had to do eleven test seances
Speaker 3: each time achieving what they set out. And I remember
Speaker 3: this lady coming up to me. My ego was getting
Speaker 3: very big, and this lady came up to me and said,
Speaker 3: I've seen you a few times now, brilliant love it.
Speaker 3: And I thought, oh, thank you in my most humble voice.
Speaker 3: And she said, but it's not bringing my son back.
Speaker 3: And it hit me. It was like a knife, hot
Speaker 3: knife stabbing me in the stomach, and I thought, oh
Speaker 3: my God, and I actually felt her pain. And then
Speaker 3: I sat there and I thought about it, and the
Speaker 3: spirit world gave me the choice, continue down this path
Speaker 3: and you will show the phenomena. But if you want
Speaker 3: loved ones, which is going to take up the most
Speaker 3: of the power, we need to go a different course.
Speaker 4: What choice do you think Scott made, bring through the
Speaker 4: loved ones or show people phenomena. We'll find out when
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine. This
Speaker 4: is Scott Milligan talking about the ripple effect of his
Speaker 4: circle leader John Austen, And at this point he gets
Speaker 4: told by the spirit world, if you want to show
Speaker 4: the phenomena, you can or you can sit and bring
Speaker 4: through the voices of loved ones. Here's what he decided.
Speaker 3: As a circle, we decided quite quickly the voice of
Speaker 3: a loved one. Literally like overnight, I crept back into darkness.
Speaker 3: It was like someone has slowed down my development. But
Speaker 3: then the voices started to come and the voices were recognized. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I then got damaged. What I mean by that is
Speaker 3: that someone acted inappropriately and I got burnt and it
Speaker 3: was an accident that the trumpet went up in the
Speaker 3: air and it was floating around the room. And I
Speaker 3: was the medium and my little friend, my younger friend
Speaker 3: who brings the loved ones. I was preparing for the
Speaker 3: voice and said to the circle leader, who is not
Speaker 3: my circle by the way, who was the owned the venue,
Speaker 3: and say, could you put up the music? Please put
Speaker 3: off the music, And they couldn't find the music, so
Speaker 3: they decided to purn on the light the trumpet. What
Speaker 3: people saw was like a chord what was attached to
Speaker 3: the center of my stomach out to about two meters
Speaker 3: connected to the trumpet where it was in the air.
Speaker 3: It moved violently away from the light to the left
Speaker 3: hand side, dropped the trumpet and sucked back into the cabinet.
Speaker 3: And that set my development back. In the good of
Speaker 3: days when we probably first met, the voices of the
Speaker 3: loved ones were strong and people got more communication. And
Speaker 3: now they are only whispers. Because I need to go
Speaker 3: back into the stable home circle and really got to
Speaker 3: stop demonstrating to focus on myself so I can get strong. First,
Speaker 3: when the spirit world said you're going to stop for
Speaker 3: two years, and I said I can't. I can't. This
Speaker 3: is my job. This is my job. This is the
Speaker 3: promise we made. And they said, no, you're going to
Speaker 3: stop and the world is going to hold its breath
Speaker 3: and we were like, no, it's not. And then we
Speaker 3: started to hear about COVID. The world stopped for two years.
Speaker 3: It still goes on. So the choice was made back then,
Speaker 3: loved ones or the circus strict phenomena that's not going
Speaker 3: to get a mom up in the morning.
Speaker 4: No, So do you feel like me that there's people
Speaker 4: interested in maybe starting this and having experiences and offering
Speaker 4: themselves quite humbly to the spirit world saying I'm here,
Speaker 4: use me, how can I serve?
Speaker 3: I think absolutely. I think the world has changed, but
Speaker 3: also we have changed. I think now more than ever,
Speaker 3: the spirit world are going to say we need to
Speaker 3: help prove that life is sacred, but life continues. So
Speaker 3: if you're interested in mediumship, you're probably finding this itch
Speaker 3: of your gifts starting to develop and so that you
Speaker 3: can be the voice of those who are voiceless. So
Speaker 3: I do feel it's now more than ever we need
Speaker 3: to be looking at spirituality development and development as groups
Speaker 3: of people that can fight a spiritual war and that
Speaker 3: spiritual war is the lie about death. Everyone who's pass
Speaker 3: in the war, I take comfort to know that they
Speaker 3: don't remember that. I remember listening to a recording of
Speaker 3: Leslie Flint of a soldier who was forced to go
Speaker 3: out of the trench and run towards the enemy. And
Speaker 3: he said, I ran, and then as I was running,
Speaker 3: people weren't staring at me. I ran past the enemy
Speaker 3: who didn't look at me. I realized I didn't have
Speaker 3: me gun. And then as I went past the enemy,
Speaker 3: the battlefield faded away, and I started to run in
Speaker 3: a street where everyone was looking at me. Everyone was
Speaker 3: pretty clean, handsome, and he said, this is a funny place.
Speaker 3: And someone shouted out, wit, where are you run into
Speaker 3: And he said, and that was the voice of my father.
Speaker 3: So he didn't know that he had transitioned. I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened to his body. His body may have
Speaker 3: experienced in horendous pain, but he didn't. So all those
Speaker 3: people who have passed in the most horrific manner, is
Speaker 3: the body that went in the pain, not the person
Speaker 3: that you love. I think more than ever now.
Speaker 4: If you just want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 4: why you've come together and of course this year you
Speaker 4: have events in Massachusetts, in New Orleans, in Brighton, England,
Speaker 4: in Barlow and the Netherlands, and there'll be more in
Speaker 4: the future, together with spirit dot com as the website
Speaker 4: for that. But would you want to talk a little
Speaker 4: bit about the genesis, the idea behind these retreats and
Speaker 4: what happens.
Speaker 3: First of all, I need to mention that we've all
Speaker 3: done silly things, haven't we. Back in my younger life,
Speaker 3: I knew Dominic. I knew him to be a rebel.
Speaker 3: And then this extraordinary man gave Darren a reading and
Speaker 3: he did not know who Darren was. Darren went in
Speaker 3: with a pseudo name. We got someone else to book it,
Speaker 3: and this young man gave me a hundred percent proof
Speaker 3: of my father, Darren Paul Love. He didn't get any
Speaker 3: kind of communication really from his loved ones. It was
Speaker 3: all for me Dominic. He is registered blind, he's only
Speaker 3: got a very small percentage of his site, so he
Speaker 3: couldn't see our faces or because it was all done
Speaker 3: by phone. I wasn't there, and he gave Darren absolute
Speaker 3: proof of my father's existence. So first of all I
Speaker 3: can credit him for being absolutely outstand him to test
Speaker 3: him again. I booked my mother through someone else under
Speaker 3: a different name, a different phone number, and lo and behold,
Speaker 3: he gave absolute proof, even down to the street that
Speaker 3: the cafe was on when the attack happened. So for me,
Speaker 3: absolutely incredible man. And he's still younger than me, so
Speaker 3: he's got many years ahead of him. He invited me
Speaker 3: on one of his retreats, but I wanted to bring
Speaker 3: a bit what I could bring to the table. We
Speaker 3: then started to put our heads together along with a
Speaker 3: couple of us, and we want to do retreats where
Speaker 3: people can feel safe, people can feel immersed in an experience.
Speaker 3: But these retreats were made to be a buffet of ideas.
Speaker 3: So for me, I bring the trans and associated phenomena.
Speaker 3: Dominic brings the mental mediumship. Josephine when she's with us,
Speaker 3: brings the spirit portrait art your Landa when she's with us,
Speaker 3: connects with the power and the trance states Sonjo Ronaldi
Speaker 3: does the ITC and communication, and we start to bring
Speaker 3: ideas to people because not everyone wants to sit with me,
Speaker 3: but they want to do art instead. But it gives
Speaker 3: you an opportunity. If you don't like me, You're only
Speaker 3: here for a little while with me, and then you
Speaker 3: move on to your next tutor and so on, and
Speaker 3: we try and share what we can. When you come
Speaker 3: on a retreat, what you're doing is you're feeding up
Speaker 3: the psychic power of the tutor, so I will try
Speaker 3: and pour into you whatever I can. And that's the
Speaker 3: whole idea of the retreats.
Speaker 4: They're wonderful and you get to sit in sayance with you,
Speaker 4: Yes you can. The thing is whether you're alone or
Speaker 4: you have someone to attend with. I'm always someone who
Speaker 4: travels alone. Don't let being solo stop you from attending.
Speaker 4: I tell you meet the best friends of your life
Speaker 4: that you'll have forever. And it is so rare to
Speaker 4: have people that you can actually talk about life after
Speaker 4: death and living a powerful life. And most everyone has
Speaker 4: shared grief. So you're in a good place with good
Speaker 4: people and good environments. And whether or not you want
Speaker 4: to explore mediumship, you get an opportunity to try different things.
Speaker 4: Whether it's art, whether it's evidential mediumship, you just get
Speaker 4: to learn and explore. The one thing you do leave
Speaker 4: is really feeling comforted and inspired of the reality of
Speaker 4: the afterlife and there is a mediumship demonstration that you
Speaker 4: get to be a part of, and you get to
Speaker 4: see how close loved ones are and how real all.
Speaker 3: Of this is.
Speaker 4: So you can go to Together with Spirit dot Com
Speaker 4: and see what's upcoming. Scott, what final words would you
Speaker 4: like to say before we wrap up this episode together?
Speaker 3: I think, really, once again, as we turn that age
Speaker 3: of life. I don't know your story. I don't know
Speaker 3: how you have lived, but those who have fallen into grief,
Speaker 3: I know what that feels like. Whose grief is more
Speaker 3: or less That's something we will never discuss. But what
Speaker 3: I can tell you is that your loved one, whoever
Speaker 3: it may be, is there with you. They haven't lost
Speaker 3: their life. They've just lost their voice. They've lost the
Speaker 3: ability to show themselves clearly. But it doesn't stop them
Speaker 3: waving their hands in front of you when you're in
Speaker 3: your despair. So when you are having that absolute dark moment,
Speaker 3: sit close your eyes and think of the happiest time
Speaker 3: that sends this light into that darkness and they step
Speaker 3: close to you. The tingle around your head is them.
Speaker 3: If your life one has been taken to the spirit
Speaker 3: world through murder, don't let the title murder define a
Speaker 3: lifetime of happiness. For instance, my father, his life was
Speaker 3: ended by someone else, by five other people, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people said, that's Frank who was murdered. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: this is Frank who lived. And a medium should tell
Speaker 3: you not how they died, but how they lived. You
Speaker 3: will see them again. We will meet in the spirit world.
Speaker 3: Some of us may go sooner, some may drag our hills,
Speaker 3: some may go dramatically, and some may go peacefully. But
Speaker 3: whoever's the last flick off the switch as our job
Speaker 3: is done and let's have a party in the spirit world.
Speaker 4: There will be a party in the spirit world. Your
Speaker 4: loved ones are around you right now. You are never alone.
Speaker 4: Have faith in that. If you want to join Scott
Speaker 4: at an upcoming you can easily go to We Don'tdie
Speaker 4: dot com and click on the Scott Milligan page. Our
Speaker 4: medium tutors Carrie and Phil are also on the road,
Speaker 4: as well as online classes. And if you're interested, as
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Speaker 4: Like Scott says, don't believe what I say, go experience
Speaker 4: it for yourself. As outrageous and incredible as these stories are,
Speaker 4: they're very real, I'm saying, champlain. Thank you so much
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