1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are thoughts 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: and opinions only and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: your needs. 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: Hi. 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 4: whill we welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You've heard 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 4: of the ripple effect, how one thing you do can 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: make a difference in many lives. Well, it is said 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 4: that when we pass, we have a life review. No 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 4: one is making us right or wrong. It's just a 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: moral inventory of what we accomplished and the difference we 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 4: made in life. First, we review our lives from the 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: perspective of others that we impacted. Then we get to 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: see the ripple effect of our actions, those little moments 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 4: that we made a difference, and where it carried on from. 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: Then I have a real treat for you today. For 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: the first time, medium Scott Milligan tells his story of 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: a man named John Austen. Without John Austen going for 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: his proof of life after death, he would have never 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: brought Scott into his home circle. Had Scott not impacted 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: my life, I would have never gone on to share 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: the evidence of the afterlife, and shades of the afterlife 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 4: would never have been born. You've heard Scott's voice before 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: on the show, especially a gentleman by the name of 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: Eric that speaks through Scott in trance. Scott Milligan is 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: the top physical and trance medium in the world, and 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: his story today is certain to give you goosebumps. He'll 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 4: be sharing about home circles, but also something called table tipping. 39 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: So just imagine, if you will, two or more people 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: gathered around a small table fingertips resting lightly on it, 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: and what was normal at the time was holding these 42 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: seances and asking is there anyone there? And the table 43 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 4: would lift, or the table would tap on the floor, 44 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: one tap for yes, two taps for no. They'd even 45 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: use the table to tap out certain letters in the 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: alphabet to spell words. So buckle your seat belt and 47 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: enjoy the wonderful story of John Austen, how his heartbreak 48 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 4: led to the ripple effect and you and I being 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 4: here today. 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: He was a very strict man ex army, and he 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: had two children with his wife Geraldine. One was called 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: Howard and the youngest son was John junior. Howard was 53 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: showing every sign of success. He was a very good runner, jumper, 54 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: all round person and there was hopes for him to 55 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: go to the Olympics at a young age. He traveled 56 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: down to Hastings on the fifth of November nineteen sixty seven. 57 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: He was traveling from Hastings to charing Cross and Howard 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: and his girlfriend and his best mate had their life 59 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: come to end on hither Green train crasher incident. John 60 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: remembered getting the knock and the policeman was standing there 61 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: and he had to go and id his son's remains. 62 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: He said he fell into a sense of grief where 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: he didn't want to live anymore. He just wanted to 64 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: lie down and sleep. It was his wife, Geraldine, who 65 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: got him back to a place where he was able 66 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: to go back to work. Unknown to him at this time, 67 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: his auntie was a voice medium. She was able to 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: hear the spirits but also create voices around her that 69 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: were able to be heard. The family thought that his 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: auntie was strange, but he said it felt quite natural 71 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: to investigate that. So he started looking at the possibility 72 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: of making contact. And the way he started to look 73 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: at this was from the book On the Edge of 74 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: the Etheric by Arthur Finley, which is a popular book 75 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: within our community, tells you about how Arthur Finley himself 76 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: investigated a direct voice medium by the name John Campbell Sloane. 77 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: And without John Campbell Sloane, I don't think we'll have 78 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: the wonderful Arthur Finny College. Because through his evidence that 79 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: gave Arthur Finley the sufficient proof he bequeathed the House 80 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: of Stancid Hall to the Spiritual National Union. So John 81 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: looked at ideas of how to contact his son, and 82 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 3: one of the most popular ones was to sit round 83 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: a table and called it as table phenomena, or it 84 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: was known as the parlor trick. Him and his wife 85 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: would sit day in day out, seeing if it was 86 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: possible for the table to move. He said, some days 87 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: it moved, some days it did not. It could take 88 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty minutes before any kind of activity started 89 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: to show. They used to play songs on the real 90 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: to real, and then all of a sudden, the table 91 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: started to move. On occasion, John told me that he 92 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 3: was sitting there and his wife was opposite, and his 93 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: wife was showing early signs of MS, and it was 94 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: slowly attacking her body, and the table started to move 95 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: in front, and then all of a sudden, the table disappeared, 96 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: and he believed that his wife had stood up from 97 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: the wheelchair and grabbed the table and lifted it to 98 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: the ceiling. So he turned up the light and there 99 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: was Jerry sitting opposite in the chair, amazed that the 100 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: table had disappeared, and as they looked up, it was 101 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: pinned to the ceiling and it came crashing down and 102 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: the leg broke off. He wanted to know if it 103 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 3: was possible that if this was being done by a trick, 104 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: be it through their own power or from the spirits. 105 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: But back then he was still having this argument, is 106 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: it going to be wrong to contact the dead? Because 107 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: back in those days religion had a very stronghold. But 108 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: he started to go to different places and one of 109 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: them was Belgrave Square, which was where the wonderful medium 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: Doris Fisher Stokes was demonstrating. And Doris Fisher Stokes was 111 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: a clare Audium, but she was also a stickler for 112 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: if you turned up late to the demonstration. She never 113 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: liked that. And lo and behold. John was the last 114 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: one with his wife to enter the demonstration. As they 115 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: were entering the hall, which was packed to capacity, John 116 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: and Geraldine were being moved towards the front because Geraldine 117 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: was in the wheelchair, and Doris Fisher Stokes stops and 118 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: said you, pointing to John, and gave him something like 119 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: thirty eight names of his family members, which all was correct, 120 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: and she said, one day the trumpets will lift and 121 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: the dead will walk again in your front room. Go 122 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: away and work at it. So there was always signposts 123 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: that something was going to happen, but it was a 124 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: chance to meet him with the wonderful direct voice medium 125 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: Leslie Flint. Leslie Flint used to sit there and suck 126 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: on a sweep and voices were heard around him, and 127 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: they believed that he had two vocal cords and he 128 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: was throwing his voice. So they made him hold water 129 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: in his mouth or marbles and then seal his mouth up, 130 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: and then the voices would come. They put microphones to 131 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: its own vocal chords, and when the voices spoke, there 132 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: was no noises coming from him. So he had the 133 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: title of independent direct Voice. John got a sit in 134 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: with Leslie Flint with a few other people and paid 135 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: two pound fifty per ticket, so that was five pound 136 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: back then, and that was a lot of money. He 137 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: sat there and he reminisced, and he said that Leslie 138 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: would sit there and go, come along Mickey, which was 139 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: his spirit helper. I said, come along, Mickey, come and 140 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: talk to them. And Mickey would come and talk and 141 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: went straight to Geraldine, and Geraldine was sitting there, and 142 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: he said, oh, you've got a lot of power, and 143 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: as Geraldine said, have I and he said, oh, hang on, 144 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: there's someone pushing their way forward. And then all of 145 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: a sudden, Mickey's voice changed and out came the voice 146 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: of their son, Howard. She said it sounded like him. 147 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: The words that he used to use, was being heard 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: again in the order the idiosyncrasy. She said, oh my god, 149 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: it's my son. And then the voice of Howard said, 150 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 3: come on, Dad, talk to me. And you hear John 151 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: on the the real to real saying, oh my goodness, 152 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: oh my goodness. And I said to him, what was 153 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: that like? And he said, imagine, imagine if you will. 154 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 3: You're in the darkest and most painful nightmare, and then 155 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: all of a sudden being ripped from that and being 156 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: put in a place of paradise. He said, everything that 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: was wrong with me was fixed with this moment of 158 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: this voice talking. He said, it was my son. And 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: not only did they bring the Sun, they brought the 160 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: girlfriend of the Sun to talk. The parents of the 161 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: girlfriend didn't want anything to do with what we know, 162 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: and I felt John's pain, he said. I went round 163 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: there and told them and they shouted back at me, 164 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 3: which reminded me that not everyone is open to what 165 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: we do. From that, the sittings became more frequent. That's 166 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 3: all they seemed to do. They just wanted to make 167 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: contact with their son. On one occasion that a lady 168 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 3: from Cardiff came down who was friends of Geraldine they 169 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: decided to do a table sitting, but by then the 170 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: sitting had advanced and they had a real to real 171 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: they would record their sittings because back then it was 172 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 3: quicker to speak it than to write it. Jareddine opened 173 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: the circle and the table started to move, and she said, 174 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: is that you boys? And you would hear on the 175 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: tape recorder Jaredine saying the table has responded yes. Then 176 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: halfway through the cat walked in, and as the cat 177 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: walks in, Jareddine said, be careful of the cat. The 178 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: table has responded yes. At the end of the sitting, 179 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: the lady from Cardiff said, I've never heard my voice 180 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: on the tape recorder before, and John said, let's play 181 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: it back. And as they wound it back, as they 182 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: started to listen to each other, when Jeraldine said, is 183 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: that you boys in Howard's voice, it responded yes, m'am, 184 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: we're here. When it came to the cat, when she 185 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: said be careful of the cat, Howard's voice as clear 186 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: as I'm talking to you now bonds I won't hurt 187 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: black Kie, which was the name of the cat. I 188 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: think from then the proof just got more and more. 189 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: They decided to renovate the front room with a red 190 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: spotted carpet. Can you imagine it? Beautiful red with black 191 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: spots and whatever else you can think of thrown into it. 192 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 3: Because the spirit world said they need the color red 193 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: within the room. So John said, fine, we'll get the carpet. 194 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: So they went off to a carpet shop and there 195 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 3: was a young man there in his thirties. He went 196 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: over to speak to Geraldine, and Geraldine hushed him away 197 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: very quickly. You're not selling me that. Go away, and 198 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: they went round they found the red carpet that they wanted. 199 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: How does a new red carpet lead us to being 200 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 4: here today talking about life after death? They'll have to 201 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: wait and find out. We'll be right back. You're listening 202 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: to Shades of the Afterlife. 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They were told to redecorate their front room, 222 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: and now they are in a carpet shop meeting a 223 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 4: salesman for their brand new red spotted carpet. 224 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: This young man came back. They explained to him that 225 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: they needed for their front room. This young man was 226 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: short stuffed this day, and he agreed to go round 227 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: there and measure the carpet space. So the young man 228 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: went to this room where they were holding frequent sittings 229 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: with the spirit wild and as he was measuring up 230 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: the carpet. John came in with a cup of tea 231 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: and said, you know, we hold seances here and he 232 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: said I would often say that to people to see 233 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: how they responded. And this young man just took it 234 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: in his stride and said oh. And John said, what 235 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: do you think about that? So I'm interested. I've been 236 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: to some meetings. He said, would you want to be 237 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: part of a table sitting? Would you want to sit? 238 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: And he said yes. So they decided to get the 239 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: table out. And as they sat and the table began 240 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: to move, John said, rocks to the strongest medium, and 241 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: ordinarily it would knock into John, but this time it 242 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: moved to the young man. He said, I've been waiting 243 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: for you, and he remembered what Doris Fisher Stokes said 244 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: forty years beforehand. The trumpets will lift and the dead 245 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: will walk again. In your front room, young man sitting 246 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: there was Colin Fry and he was the medium for 247 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: that circle. Now, if Colin was in his thirties and 248 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: the prophecy was forty years ago, it showed that the 249 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: other world had already prepared the development before Colin was born. 250 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: And that's why John, without any flicker, he sat with 251 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: his wife to create good power. Within twenty one weeks, 252 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: they sat with Colin for one hour a week, so 253 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: it's twenty one hours. Colin went from being a person 254 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: who was interested to being the materialization medium and having 255 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: the dead materialize in the front room, and the prophecy 256 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: came about. 257 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: Just want to ask a question, when you said they 258 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: sat for forty years, could you just give us like 259 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: what that would look like John and Geraldine being together. 260 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: Of course, if you could imagine this room, what they 261 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: used to use was their front room, and they would 262 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: black out the window so no natural light came in. 263 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: So if the other world wanted to create a light 264 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: or anything like that, it wasn't a passing car or 265 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: anything like that at all. They would have two chairs 266 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 3: in the middle, and in between the two chairs there'll 267 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: be a table. To the side of that will be 268 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 3: another table which will have the tape recorder on, and 269 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: it will be very basic. They would sit be quiet 270 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 3: for a few minutes to settle themselves down. They would 271 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: then open traditionally in prayer, and then they would welcome 272 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: the spirit close. But then they'll forget about the spirit world. 273 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: They would just sit for the table without any pressure 274 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: by saying come on or this or that. The table 275 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 3: would just respond because there was no demands. I knew 276 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: a husband and wife that sat for fifteen years, and 277 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 3: every time they sat for the table, the husband say 278 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: come on, move and all that business, come on, move, 279 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: We're giving you everything, and it didn't move at all. 280 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: And on this last day he said, if you're not 281 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: going to move, we're not going to do it anymore. 282 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: Nothing happened in that city. He said, we've given you 283 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: fifteen years of our lives and all that business. We're off, 284 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: probably off to the pub. And as they stood up 285 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 3: and walked out the room, the table then walked independently 286 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 3: behind them, knocking in. It showed them the moment we 287 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 3: stopped demanding it, that's when the freedom comes from the 288 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: spirit world. So basically, because Colin was showing rapid unfold 289 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: and back in nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety one, I 290 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 3: have to also note at this time that our world 291 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: had two very great physical mediums, one being Gordon Higginson 292 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: and the other one being Leslie Flint. Gordon Higginson had 293 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: had a series of strokes and Leslie Flint was being 294 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: diagnosed with lung cancer. So we had two of our 295 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: big hitters preparing their final years. Gordon passed the spirit 296 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: world in nineteen ninety three and Leslie in ninety four, 297 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 3: so I think the spirit world was already preparing for them, 298 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 3: leaving for someone else to take on the responsibility. Colin 299 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: was showing rapid development, and they didn't want people to 300 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: know who Colin was because with Leslie Flint, people would 301 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: knock at all hours of the night and saying I'm 302 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: in grief and I need your help. And little Leslie 303 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: was so soft hearted he couldn't deny people that sit in. 304 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: His partner Bram was like, no, no, no, you need 305 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: your rest. So they changed Colin's name to Lincoln, which 306 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 3: was like a kind of anagram of his name, so 307 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: they used all the letters, mixed it all up, and 308 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: he was known as the Medium Lincoln. Colin in the 309 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: early days was very faster going off. He used to 310 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: have a Oriental man that spoke through him called the Mandarin, 311 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: and the Mandar would and set out the course of 312 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: what was going to take place. But the first real 313 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 3: voice that kind of identified themselves was Dr Alexander Bell, 314 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 3: which was the inventor of the telephone. Alexander Bell was 315 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: being used in how to communicate. He had the mind 316 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: of making the wires in this world and in the 317 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 3: spirit world. His talent who was being used to see 318 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: if they can control Colin in a certain way. Colin 319 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: was showing very quick signs of progression. John would tell 320 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: me that he would have his son materialize and talk 321 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: to him. But at this point Geraldine was becoming very, 322 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: very unwell. She had to withdraw from the circle, and 323 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: on the Sunday night she was bedbound and it was 324 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: very clear that she wasn't going to see the morning. 325 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: John stood at the end of her bed along with Pat. 326 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: They said that you saw this light leave her and 327 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 3: said it's not going to be long now, and John said, 328 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 3: you go home, let me sit with my wife. By 329 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: the time she got home, the phone rang and he said, 330 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: it is a great joy that my wife has now 331 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: joined my son. And Pat said, are you wow? Do 332 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: you need me? And he said, I'm okay, I'm okay. 333 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: I will see you on Tuesday for circle. So Tuesday came, 334 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: the circle was broken. They tied Colin to a chair 335 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: and they willed Geraldine's wheelchair into the room. As they 336 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: sat out came this wonderful woman, not bound in a chair, 337 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: not had any illness, and said to John, you can 338 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: get rid of that. And the chair flew back towards 339 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: the door and said I'm fine, I'm well. And John said, 340 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: who met you? And she said Howard. Of course, my 341 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: mother was there, my sister was there. Oh, John, heaven 342 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 3: does exist. And I remember him telling me that, and 343 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: I said, how do you feel? And he said, how 344 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: can I be upset? This woman was confined to a 345 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: chair and now is walking with my son. How can 346 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: I be upset? I'm just frustrated now because I'm here. 347 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 3: And Geraldine said, you need to continue the work. You've 348 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: got more work to do. We've got things to do 349 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: over here when it's time you come over. So then 350 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: the circle carried on, and John made that promise, same time, 351 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: same place, same people, and harmony moving swiftly on. If 352 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: I may, many of you know of my coming into 353 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: this form of work, so I'm not going to bore 354 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: you with that. I was traveling to Hayward, Teef, which 355 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: is a town next to my five minutes. That's where 356 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: Colin lived. We were going to speak to Magnus. We 357 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: were allowed to ask questions, very similar to what we 358 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: do on a Friday night with the questions and answers 359 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: with our friend Eric. I thought, oh, I don't want 360 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: to sound silly in front of all the people that 361 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 3: sit more often than I do. So I started to 362 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: formulate a question in my mind and said, oh, Magnus, 363 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask this. And I thought, that's silly, Magnus, 364 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask this, and in my head that's 365 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: how I sound. So I started to travel on the train. 366 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: I thought, now I'm going to ask Magnus this one. 367 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I get to the 368 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: meeting room, I sit in there and I've forgot my question, 369 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: and so I've now started to panic. And then I thought, 370 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to think of this question as it came 371 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: to ask questions like being picked for the gym. You're 372 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: going to be the last one. So you're sweating and 373 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 3: you're not relaxed because you think you're going to be silly. 374 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: And I went hello Magnus and he said, my dear boy, 375 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 3: the answer to your first question is this. Answer your 376 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 3: second question is that, And he said, in answer to 377 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: your third question, we heard you on your CHEW two 378 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: train and that then catapulted me even further. But the 379 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: one that got me, I think really besides my personal 380 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 3: communication from my sister and having her materialized, I was 381 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: so angry that my father died in the way he died, 382 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: and as I was really in a bad place, my 383 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: sister's voice returned to me and said, you've had him 384 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: for thirty five years, my turn, and that anger left 385 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: me because I've had him for Christmas and listened to 386 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: his voice, and my sister, Emma, the only child in 387 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: the spirit world of my father, has probably sat there 388 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: and gone, excuse me, I'm here, and we've all ignored her. 389 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: So that anger that I had had melted away. So 390 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: with Colin, I think the haha moments became when I 391 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 3: was part of other people's messages. There was this little 392 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 3: old lady and she must have been in her seventies. 393 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: Her husband materializes. She's not interested in talking to her husband. 394 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: Her husband's brought the parrot that used to be a 395 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: family pet. The parrot has flown out the cabinet and 396 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: flying around the salts room, and she's oh, pretty boy, 397 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: pretty boy coming back, and all of this husband's trying 398 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 3: to talk. She's not interested in husband. She's talking to 399 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: poll parrot whatever the name was, which was a family pet. 400 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 3: So we cannot measure grief of who we want to 401 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: talk to. 402 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: As Scott talks about those questions I've had that happen 403 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 4: to me. On our fridays with Scott when he does 404 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 4: the trance demonstration, people type their questions into a Q 405 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 4: and A box. Scott's eyes are closed. I'm the only 406 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 4: one who can see the questions, but very often Eric 407 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: can read the questions and knows what people are going 408 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 4: to ask him. 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I'm Sandra Champlain. 436 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: These stories are incredible and if they seem too good 437 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 4: to be true, they're not. Go way back to episode 438 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 4: number three. Listen to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. He gave 439 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: up writing Sherlock Holmes when he found out about this 440 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 4: form of mediumship. So let's get back to more stories 441 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 4: with Scott Milligan. 442 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: Another time, a lady next to me called Hazel Hunt. 443 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 3: She was sitting there and earlier that morning her cat 444 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: was euphanized. Her uncle Ted walked out the cabinet, went 445 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 3: over to her who was sitting next to me. Took 446 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: my hand off of her because we always used to 447 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: sit and hold hands because it was a nice comfortable 448 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: thing to do. Took my hand off without fumbling, took 449 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: her hands and then the cat materialized from the uncle 450 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: landed on that jumped on my lap. And you know 451 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: how cats do this like kind of claw and scratch. 452 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: That was happening to my kneecap. The cat jumped on 453 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: the floor. The spirit child ran out of the cabinet said, 454 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: get back here. Uncle Ted's still talking. The cat's running 455 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: around the room like a lunatic kid on sugar. The 456 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: kids trying to catch the cap. And this was normal 457 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: because you feel the love within the room, and that's 458 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: the important thing. Death destroys us. Death rings that dark, 459 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: unbelievable suffocation of grief. And the reason we feel so 460 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: rubbish is because we have loved someone, truly loves someone 461 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: and that's what comes is like the sun being chased 462 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: by the curtain of night. When their sun has set, 463 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: this darkness descends on us and it's overbearing. But then 464 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: when you hear a voice or you have these moments, 465 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: a little star appears, and then the moon appears, and 466 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: then that fades and the sun rises again, and you 467 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: learn to breathe, you learn to live. And that's what 468 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: happens in the sales room. It's love. These people who 469 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: play around with it, they are more for the phenomena, 470 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 3: but we for the voices. We sat to bring a 471 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: loved one back into the room. Nothing you can say 472 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: to me, whatever, shake me from this rock. 473 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 4: Talk about how you witness this, because there are times 474 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: that a red light is on. Most of it's held 475 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: in the dark, so you're hearing things. And this is 476 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: happening in private homes. This isn't somebody charging you two 477 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 4: hundred dollars to come witness this. These are private citizens 478 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 4: and private homes where this is taking place. 479 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, But before I go with that, can I 480 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: be controversial and explain the reason? Sure, I think it's important. 481 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: Some city so and so decided to fake a demonstration. 482 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: It was all the scandal, and it sent a shock 483 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: wave through people like myself had to come out fighting. 484 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: We had to come out and say we need to 485 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 3: educate as much as possible. A seance is about a 486 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: loved one, not about the phenomen If the phenomena happens, 487 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: it's got to be intelligent. If objects appear, it's got 488 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: to have meaning. If money is to change hands, we've 489 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: got to ensure that whatever happens, this is coming from 490 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: the spirit world, not through ego. I was met by 491 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: a lady who will remain nameless, who was very good 492 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: at drawing the faces of people who are in the 493 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: other world, a spirit portrait artist. And she came, we've 494 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: all steamed from her and said, the spirit worlds and intelligence, 495 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: they don't need darkness. And I said, you're absolutely right, 496 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: but the medium's body needs that darkness to produce the 497 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: energy that helps with the phenomena. I hear you are 498 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 3: a spirit artist and she said yes. I said, I 499 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: hear you're a very good one. She said yes, and 500 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 3: I thought, no, we go there then, and I said, 501 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: so how do you work. Do you use a piece 502 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 3: of paper? Yes, and started giving me the regalia of 503 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: what she uses. And I said, the spirit world's in intelligence. 504 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: They don't need all of that, but your body needs 505 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: the paper and the pencil to express what is moving 506 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: through you. So please respect at the moment that people 507 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 3: will have to sit in the dark. But we are 508 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 3: moving towards the light. So that's the reasons why at 509 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: the moment, because our body needs it. But there are 510 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: times when the other world, when we're patient, when we 511 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 3: have the opportunity, the other world will say it is time. 512 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: And one of these occasions, I remember Colin was behind 513 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 3: a curtain. He had been searched as we always do, restrained, 514 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 3: as we always do. If it's private or public, we 515 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: would always time down. As we were sitting there, the 516 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: voice appeared and said, put on the light. And the 517 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: light was low, but we were still able to see 518 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: each other and there was no trickery. There's no wires. 519 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: And the cabinet curtains parted and out came a baby head. 520 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: And this baby's head came out so far it had 521 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: no shoulders, but it was just a head. The eyes 522 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: opened and it blinked and the facial express changed. Back 523 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: then they didn't have the doors. What could do that? 524 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: This was a baby, This was a living breathing baby, 525 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: and then it just evaporated. But then hands would appear 526 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: through the curtain, so you would see this hand would 527 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: come out, but then it will go further than someone's arm. 528 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: It was like two meters long, and it would move 529 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 3: and come around the room, or occasionally, if they couldn't 530 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 3: put on the red light, they would glow themselves. So 531 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 3: this hand would start to glow and move across the room, 532 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: physical that all of us can see. It wasn't an 533 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 3: optical illusion. We saw this hand glowing, but then there 534 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: would be a foot walking along. But the foot would 535 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: go in a different direction to the hand, which was 536 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: physically impossible. It wasn't someone just stretching out. They would 537 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 3: move in separate directions. And bear in mind the ceiling 538 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 3: was a Victorian house, so you're looking at three and 539 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: a half to four meters high, which is two of 540 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: me on top, the hands going up to the ceilum 541 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 3: knocking on the ceiling. Whether the foot is carrying on 542 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 3: bouncing around the room. So isn't someone sitting on a ladder, 543 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: It's impossible. And another one was in Australia. The medium 544 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 3: was restrained and the curtains in front and the red 545 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: light came on and they started to put a hand 546 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 3: under the curtain, and you think it could be the medium. 547 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 3: It's got the hand three and the hands underneath the curtain, 548 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 3: and then about I would say six to seven foot high, 549 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: another hand came at the top. Now the medium is 550 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 3: only five foot nothing, so very small. I'm a giant 551 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: mix to this one. And both hands are moving, and 552 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 3: then the curtain starts to lift, and you then start 553 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: to see the medium's legs still the medium is seated. 554 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: You see the medium's hands still tied. But these two 555 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 3: separate hands would appear in light for all of us 556 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 3: in the room to see. I think, ladies and gentlemen, 557 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: what I tell you is my story. You may think, Scott, 558 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 3: this is not possible. I have no reason to lie 559 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 3: to you. But I do say. Believe not a word 560 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: I say, and to experience it yourself, wherever that may be. 561 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: There are other occasions when the light came on and 562 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: you saw what looked like white cloth or from the 563 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 3: medium's mouth down to about thirty to thirty five centimeters, 564 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: and then it came back up and went over the 565 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: head and then in through the left ear and disappeared. 566 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 3: And that happened in front of thirty people and I 567 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 3: was up close. 568 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 4: There's a lot of great stories of mediums in the 569 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 4: past asked with all these wonderful materializations, there was a 570 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 4: point in your development that the spirit world, as I 571 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 4: remember the story, you got the choice to go for 572 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 4: those phenomena with lights on seeing the ectoplasm. There's pictures 573 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 4: I've seen of you with the ectoplasm? Or is it 574 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 4: more important to bring loved ones voices through? And I 575 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 4: know you, but if you could just talk about why 576 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 4: when you demonstrate or what your priority is and your 577 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 4: spirit team. 578 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 3: Okay, I think really I need to just give you 579 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 3: a bit of background because with myself, the phenomena became 580 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 3: very aggressive. And what I mean by aggressive. When I 581 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 3: used to sit the sofa that two people would sit 582 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 3: on would be pushed quite violently back, or will start 583 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 3: to tip on one side and down on the other 584 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: and rock like a seesaw. Trumpets would lift, the bells 585 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: would ring really loud, and there was knocking on all 586 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 3: the walls running across the ceiling. It was a very 587 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 3: uncontrolled condition. But I had really good sitters that gave 588 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 3: me a lot of power. It was John's wish back 589 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 3: before he passed, which was in July of two thy 590 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: and eleven, that if he could see the actor plasm 591 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 3: through me, and I think the other world knew he 592 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: was getting ready to transition. So they threw everything at 593 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 3: me and we were able to put on the light 594 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 3: and we had this pouring of phenomena. In those days, 595 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 3: I was moving towards working in a professional capacity and 596 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 3: I was being taken to the Artha Finley College to demonstrate. 597 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 3: And part of the conditions of working at the Arfathinnity 598 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: College was to show a form of phenomena. So I 599 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 3: had a lot of the seances. At a certain point 600 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 3: they say turn on the light and keep the light. 601 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 3: E a lady who's just recently left the college by 602 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 3: the name of Tania Smith. She can verify this for 603 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 3: me along with the sixty people who were present. Exoplasm 604 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 3: poursed from the nostrils, from the mouth and from my 605 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 3: belly down to the floor, and it rolled and creeps, 606 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: and at the end of it they formed the basics 607 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 3: of a hand what started to walk across the floor 608 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: and it was about three meters away from me. Tanya 609 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: was asked to take the key and unlock the door 610 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 3: of the library at the Art of Finley College and 611 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 3: to open the door gently to allow natural light to 612 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 3: come in. The ectoplasm was able to stay out and 613 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 3: continue to move, even though it started to evaporate a 614 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 3: little bit, but it was still there. I was becoming 615 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 3: very popular, but I had to do eleven test seances 616 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 3: each time achieving what they set out. And I remember 617 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 3: this lady coming up to me. My ego was getting 618 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: very big, and this lady came up to me and said, 619 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 3: I've seen you a few times now, brilliant love it. 620 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: And I thought, oh, thank you in my most humble voice. 621 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 3: And she said, but it's not bringing my son back. 622 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 3: And it hit me. It was like a knife, hot 623 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 3: knife stabbing me in the stomach, and I thought, oh 624 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 3: my God, and I actually felt her pain. And then 625 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 3: I sat there and I thought about it, and the 626 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: spirit world gave me the choice, continue down this path 627 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 3: and you will show the phenomena. But if you want 628 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 3: loved ones, which is going to take up the most 629 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 3: of the power, we need to go a different course. 630 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 4: What choice do you think Scott made, bring through the 631 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 4: loved ones or show people phenomena. We'll find out when 632 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 4: we get back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 633 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 4: and the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Normal Podcast Network. 634 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming 635 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: right up. 636 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 3: The four. The Art Belvault has classic audio waiting for you. 637 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 5: Now go to Coast to COASTAM dot com for details. 638 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 5: Take us with you anywhere. This is the iHeartRadio and 639 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 5: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 640 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine. This 641 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 4: is Scott Milligan talking about the ripple effect of his 642 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 4: circle leader John Austen, And at this point he gets 643 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 4: told by the spirit world, if you want to show 644 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 4: the phenomena, you can or you can sit and bring 645 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 4: through the voices of loved ones. Here's what he decided. 646 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 3: As a circle, we decided quite quickly the voice of 647 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 3: a loved one. Literally like overnight, I crept back into darkness. 648 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 3: It was like someone has slowed down my development. But 649 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 3: then the voices started to come and the voices were recognized. Unfortunately, 650 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 3: I then got damaged. What I mean by that is 651 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 3: that someone acted inappropriately and I got burnt and it 652 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 3: was an accident that the trumpet went up in the 653 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 3: air and it was floating around the room. And I 654 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,959 Speaker 3: was the medium and my little friend, my younger friend 655 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 3: who brings the loved ones. I was preparing for the 656 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 3: voice and said to the circle leader, who is not 657 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 3: my circle by the way, who was the owned the venue, 658 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 3: and say, could you put up the music? Please put 659 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 3: off the music, And they couldn't find the music, so 660 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 3: they decided to purn on the light the trumpet. What 661 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 3: people saw was like a chord what was attached to 662 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 3: the center of my stomach out to about two meters 663 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 3: connected to the trumpet where it was in the air. 664 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 3: It moved violently away from the light to the left 665 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 3: hand side, dropped the trumpet and sucked back into the cabinet. 666 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 3: And that set my development back. In the good of 667 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 3: days when we probably first met, the voices of the 668 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 3: loved ones were strong and people got more communication. And 669 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 3: now they are only whispers. Because I need to go 670 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 3: back into the stable home circle and really got to 671 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 3: stop demonstrating to focus on myself so I can get strong. First, 672 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 3: when the spirit world said you're going to stop for 673 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 3: two years, and I said I can't. I can't. This 674 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 3: is my job. This is my job. This is the 675 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 3: promise we made. And they said, no, you're going to 676 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 3: stop and the world is going to hold its breath 677 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 3: and we were like, no, it's not. And then we 678 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 3: started to hear about COVID. The world stopped for two years. 679 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 3: It still goes on. So the choice was made back then, 680 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 3: loved ones or the circus strict phenomena that's not going 681 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 3: to get a mom up in the morning. 682 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 4: No, So do you feel like me that there's people 683 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 4: interested in maybe starting this and having experiences and offering 684 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 4: themselves quite humbly to the spirit world saying I'm here, 685 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 4: use me, how can I serve? 686 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 3: I think absolutely. I think the world has changed, but 687 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 3: also we have changed. I think now more than ever, 688 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 3: the spirit world are going to say we need to 689 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 3: help prove that life is sacred, but life continues. So 690 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 3: if you're interested in mediumship, you're probably finding this itch 691 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 3: of your gifts starting to develop and so that you 692 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 3: can be the voice of those who are voiceless. So 693 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 3: I do feel it's now more than ever we need 694 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 3: to be looking at spirituality development and development as groups 695 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 3: of people that can fight a spiritual war and that 696 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 3: spiritual war is the lie about death. Everyone who's pass 697 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 3: in the war, I take comfort to know that they 698 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 3: don't remember that. I remember listening to a recording of 699 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 3: Leslie Flint of a soldier who was forced to go 700 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 3: out of the trench and run towards the enemy. And 701 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 3: he said, I ran, and then as I was running, 702 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 3: people weren't staring at me. I ran past the enemy 703 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 3: who didn't look at me. I realized I didn't have 704 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 3: me gun. And then as I went past the enemy, 705 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 3: the battlefield faded away, and I started to run in 706 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 3: a street where everyone was looking at me. Everyone was 707 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 3: pretty clean, handsome, and he said, this is a funny place. 708 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 3: And someone shouted out, wit, where are you run into 709 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 3: And he said, and that was the voice of my father. 710 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 3: So he didn't know that he had transitioned. I don't 711 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 3: know what happened to his body. His body may have 712 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 3: experienced in horendous pain, but he didn't. So all those 713 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 3: people who have passed in the most horrific manner, is 714 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 3: the body that went in the pain, not the person 715 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,280 Speaker 3: that you love. I think more than ever now. 716 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 4: If you just want to talk a little bit about 717 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 4: why you've come together and of course this year you 718 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 4: have events in Massachusetts, in New Orleans, in Brighton, England, 719 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 4: in Barlow and the Netherlands, and there'll be more in 720 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 4: the future, together with spirit dot com as the website 721 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 4: for that. But would you want to talk a little 722 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 4: bit about the genesis, the idea behind these retreats and 723 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 4: what happens. 724 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 3: First of all, I need to mention that we've all 725 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 3: done silly things, haven't we. Back in my younger life, 726 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 3: I knew Dominic. I knew him to be a rebel. 727 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 3: And then this extraordinary man gave Darren a reading and 728 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 3: he did not know who Darren was. Darren went in 729 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 3: with a pseudo name. We got someone else to book it, 730 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 3: and this young man gave me a hundred percent proof 731 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,919 Speaker 3: of my father, Darren Paul Love. He didn't get any 732 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 3: kind of communication really from his loved ones. It was 733 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 3: all for me Dominic. He is registered blind, he's only 734 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 3: got a very small percentage of his site, so he 735 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 3: couldn't see our faces or because it was all done 736 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 3: by phone. I wasn't there, and he gave Darren absolute 737 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 3: proof of my father's existence. So first of all I 738 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,879 Speaker 3: can credit him for being absolutely outstand him to test 739 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 3: him again. I booked my mother through someone else under 740 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 3: a different name, a different phone number, and lo and behold, 741 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 3: he gave absolute proof, even down to the street that 742 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 3: the cafe was on when the attack happened. So for me, 743 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 3: absolutely incredible man. And he's still younger than me, so 744 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 3: he's got many years ahead of him. He invited me 745 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 3: on one of his retreats, but I wanted to bring 746 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 3: a bit what I could bring to the table. We 747 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 3: then started to put our heads together along with a 748 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 3: couple of us, and we want to do retreats where 749 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 3: people can feel safe, people can feel immersed in an experience. 750 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 3: But these retreats were made to be a buffet of ideas. 751 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 3: So for me, I bring the trans and associated phenomena. 752 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 3: Dominic brings the mental mediumship. Josephine when she's with us, 753 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 3: brings the spirit portrait art your Landa when she's with us, 754 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 3: connects with the power and the trance states Sonjo Ronaldi 755 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 3: does the ITC and communication, and we start to bring 756 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 3: ideas to people because not everyone wants to sit with me, 757 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 3: but they want to do art instead. But it gives 758 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 3: you an opportunity. If you don't like me, You're only 759 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 3: here for a little while with me, and then you 760 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 3: move on to your next tutor and so on, and 761 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 3: we try and share what we can. When you come 762 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 3: on a retreat, what you're doing is you're feeding up 763 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,359 Speaker 3: the psychic power of the tutor, so I will try 764 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 3: and pour into you whatever I can. And that's the 765 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 3: whole idea of the retreats. 766 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 4: They're wonderful and you get to sit in sayance with you, 767 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 4: Yes you can. The thing is whether you're alone or 768 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 4: you have someone to attend with. I'm always someone who 769 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 4: travels alone. Don't let being solo stop you from attending. 770 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 4: I tell you meet the best friends of your life 771 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 4: that you'll have forever. And it is so rare to 772 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 4: have people that you can actually talk about life after 773 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 4: death and living a powerful life. And most everyone has 774 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 4: shared grief. So you're in a good place with good 775 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 4: people and good environments. And whether or not you want 776 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 4: to explore mediumship, you get an opportunity to try different things. 777 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 4: Whether it's art, whether it's evidential mediumship, you just get 778 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 4: to learn and explore. The one thing you do leave 779 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 4: is really feeling comforted and inspired of the reality of 780 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 4: the afterlife and there is a mediumship demonstration that you 781 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 4: get to be a part of, and you get to 782 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 4: see how close loved ones are and how real all. 783 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 3: Of this is. 784 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 4: So you can go to Together with Spirit dot Com 785 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 4: and see what's upcoming. Scott, what final words would you 786 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,720 Speaker 4: like to say before we wrap up this episode together? 787 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 3: I think, really, once again, as we turn that age 788 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 3: of life. I don't know your story. I don't know 789 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 3: how you have lived, but those who have fallen into grief, 790 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,240 Speaker 3: I know what that feels like. Whose grief is more 791 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 3: or less That's something we will never discuss. But what 792 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,280 Speaker 3: I can tell you is that your loved one, whoever 793 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 3: it may be, is there with you. They haven't lost 794 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 3: their life. They've just lost their voice. They've lost the 795 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 3: ability to show themselves clearly. But it doesn't stop them 796 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 3: waving their hands in front of you when you're in 797 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 3: your despair. So when you are having that absolute dark moment, 798 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 3: sit close your eyes and think of the happiest time 799 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 3: that sends this light into that darkness and they step 800 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 3: close to you. The tingle around your head is them. 801 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 3: If your life one has been taken to the spirit 802 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 3: world through murder, don't let the title murder define a 803 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 3: lifetime of happiness. For instance, my father, his life was 804 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 3: ended by someone else, by five other people, and a 805 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,919 Speaker 3: lot of people said, that's Frank who was murdered. No, no, no, 806 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 3: this is Frank who lived. And a medium should tell 807 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 3: you not how they died, but how they lived. You 808 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 3: will see them again. We will meet in the spirit world. 809 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 3: Some of us may go sooner, some may drag our hills, 810 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 3: some may go dramatically, and some may go peacefully. But 811 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 3: whoever's the last flick off the switch as our job 812 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 3: is done and let's have a party in the spirit world. 813 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,319 Speaker 4: There will be a party in the spirit world. Your 814 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 4: loved ones are around you right now. You are never alone. 815 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 4: Have faith in that. If you want to join Scott 816 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 4: at an upcoming you can easily go to We Don'tdie 817 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 4: dot com and click on the Scott Milligan page. Our 818 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,760 Speaker 4: medium tutors Carrie and Phil are also on the road, 819 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 4: as well as online classes. And if you're interested, as 820 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 4: in really interested in the afterlife and want a full 821 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 4: list of all the episodes here on Shades of the 822 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,760 Speaker 4: Afterlife and all the interviews on We Don't Die Radio, 823 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 4: I have a Patreon page, so for just one dollar 824 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 4: an episode, maximum of five per month. 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