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Speaker 1: Highs Pro Football Hall of Famerlarroy Butler, and you're listening

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Speaker 1: to the best podcast, the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Player Second

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Speaker 1: Acts Podcast. I'm Peanut to him in and this is

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Speaker 1: my guy, Roman Harper. He is the chaplain for the

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Speaker 1: entire NFL. Welcome to the show, Rome, Thank you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I mean the best thing about this

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Speaker 1: to say, and so every beginning it's like groundhog Day.

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Speaker 1: We just have no idea what we're going to get.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that introduction, Peanut, and we are often

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Speaker 1: running again on this episode of NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 1: First of all, let's get all the things out of

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Speaker 1: who we got in today? We got a good one.

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Speaker 1: This guy twelfth pick two thousand and five draft in

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Speaker 1: his first three season, he registered thirty nine and a

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Speaker 1: half thirty nine point five got thirty nine point five sacks,

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Speaker 1: first seam all pro, played eight years in the league.

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Speaker 1: Now he has his own MMA. It's called lights Out.

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Speaker 1: He has his own m a league. It's called lights Out,

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Speaker 1: Lights out Extreme. I'm sorry, lights on Extreme. Fighting ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, can y'all please give a couple of snaps

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Speaker 1: from my god, Sean Merriman himself.

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Speaker 2: It's lights We snapping the day we snapped.

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Speaker 1: We never snapped, but okay, we snapping the nud just

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Speaker 1: for today. I brought that sporadic baby, sporadic. I ain't

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Speaker 1: take my pills today. I feel like doing this clapping

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Speaker 1: is a little too violent. You here on the show.

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Speaker 1: We just gonna snap a little You're gonna snap a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Well sewn man, Thank you man. The whole

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Speaker 1: intro like this because I know y'all listening, But hey, Sean,

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Speaker 1: his neck is huge. This dude hadn't lost no, hey all,

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Speaker 1: his his neck is like oh, like, I know, y'all

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Speaker 1: could see the man's neck, my god, yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what a slapping that's you ever. You know, they got

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Speaker 1: the new thing, the slapping, the slap, the slap. You

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Speaker 1: look like you could just take one hard slap right

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Speaker 1: just it wouldn't even phase you. Bro. Yeah, now my

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Speaker 1: that if I get slapped. I don't want to return something.

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Speaker 1: I can't take a slap like that. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that's the crazy. What do you think about that? League?

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's uh, you know, I'm really close

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Speaker 1: with with Dana and obviously a lot of my a

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Speaker 1: lot of my fighters going to the UFC. It's entertainment, man, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, people make such a big deal about stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, but I think that most people forget that

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Speaker 1: they signed up for it, Like they just signed up

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Speaker 1: for this. It's not like somebody said, hey, you got

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Speaker 1: Like these guys signed the name on the doted line

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Speaker 1: to go get slapped. So you know, it's what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's what it is, Okay, all right. I just couldn't

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Speaker 1: I think it's crazy. I mean from the men and

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Speaker 1: the women. You know, they do have different sizes. It's

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Speaker 1: it's just crazy, all right. What was your welcome to

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Speaker 1: Like I remember Ray Lewis when I was in when

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Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I had I had one or two

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Speaker 1: and they're not my thirty two thousand dollars bill that

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Speaker 1: that welcome in. That was like a take time out, Tom,

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Speaker 1: you gotta tell them about this thirty two thousand dollars bill.

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Speaker 1: Where did we go? What do we do? How did

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Speaker 1: we get up to that number? So we went to

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Speaker 1: And so I'm just sitting there and they ordering stuff.

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Speaker 1: He said, Sean, deafitly, you want to see me in

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Speaker 1: the back. Right, So I got up, walked in the back.

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Speaker 1: We took back there by the kitchen and he hands

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Speaker 1: me the receipt. Now you ever see the receipts that

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Speaker 1: from CBS. One thing that dropped that like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So the receipt dropped to my almost my foot, no joke,

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Speaker 1: it dropped always. And so you know where the bill

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Speaker 1: looking like, hey, man, i' order these massed potatoes, right,

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Speaker 1: My knees got weak. I thought I was gonna pass out,

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Speaker 1: right and uh so anyway, I paid the bill. We

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Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was hoping they called me, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, call me in the restaurant. I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: my honest opinion, you should go to this store in

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Speaker 1: well it was like nine hundred and something at the store. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it's like four thousand. Yeah, you know what I'm

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Speaker 1: I got mine for like a little bit over one

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Speaker 1: So your first your first three years, I mean killing it.

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Speaker 1: mean I heard it in my in my in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: It's the absolute worst. And I have my knee. I

425
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Speaker 1: fully reconstruct the knee. I came back from that. I

426
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: was fine. Actually from the knee. The achilles is the

427
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Speaker 1: one that stopped me from the get off, from the

428
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of scrimmage. I lost that. And then when I

429
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: when I lost that, I became like an average above

430
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 1: average guy. Wasn't like great, and I wasn't explosive anymore.

431
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 1: And so I was watching film and I said, man,

432
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: that's just gotta be it, you know what I mean,

433
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: Like I was like because you know, it was the

434
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: same guy who I played against a couple of years back,

435
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: about four years before then. And I mean I was

436
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 1: dog and this guy couldn't block me and he was

437
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: blocking me, and man, I couldn't do nothing. He was

438
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: grabbing me up and I couldn't get off the block

439
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get around him. I couldn't retrace the football.

440
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: I said, there, that's about it. And so what did

441
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: that do to your ego? Watching that? Mentally? Yeah, well

442
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: that's what. So that's for me personally, that's what pushed me,

443
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: pushed me into retirement, right, because you know I played

444
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 1: with a level of confidence. You know what I'm gonna

445
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get off of every game. I'm to have

446
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: a big play or have a big sack, or do

447
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: something to change the games. And even at the end

448
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: of my career, I would have flashes to being able

449
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: to do it, but I couldn't do it consistently, you know.

450
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: So I'll pop up in the first quarter somewhere that

451
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: I disappear half the second quarter, and I pop up

452
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: again in the second half and make a big play.

453
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: When it's like every time I got off the ball,

454
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: you have to worry about me every single time. And

455
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,479
Speaker 1: then I got to the point where it was just

456
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: flashes of it, and so mentally it started to beat

457
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: me up more than physically. I could have went back

458
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: and played. I could have just you know, hoppled around me.

459
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: I could have stolen a couple of years. I could

460
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: sold a couple of years. But I said, man, if

461
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: I can't do what I did before, why am I here.

462
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't mentally grasp that to my by watching me

463
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: on the film and knowing that I wasn't I'm not

464
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 1: what I was. We're gonna take a short break and

465
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. So my guy room went to

466
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: radio row this last pass super Bowl and just he

467
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: fell in love with it, had an awesome time. He

468
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it was like, oh man, this is right here,

469
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: roll like this. It was my first it was his

470
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: first time. Like he was just eyes wide open, like

471
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: he was in Vegas for the first time. Now, I

472
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: know you went there and there was some type of

473
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: off There was an offensive line and this is before mma,

474
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: we'll get into that, but there was an offensive lineman

475
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: who challenged you to a fight. Yeah, who was that?

476
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: And like, let's let's let's dive in it out a

477
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: little bit. How does that? How does that story go?

478
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: Everybody said he want to fight? Man, you know, I

479
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: mean like you know, I mean, look at this, dude. No,

480
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: but but you know, okay, so this is my thing, right,

481
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm in to fight business in general. And so Yeah.

482
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: The reason why I love it because it reminds me

483
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: a lot of the locker room, like the back and forth,

484
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: like like even if guys don't fight, it's just a

485
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: constant what's up, what's up? Hey? What you know? It's

486
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 1: just that yeah, back and forth. And to me, the energy,

487
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: I love that energy. I love around it because it

488
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: keeps me. I'm laughing. I'm you know, I just stay

489
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: young with the rest of the guys. And so, you know,

490
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to spar pros. I sparred you know, cruiseweight

491
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: champion last week, and I'm in there and now we're

492
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: not going at it trying to knock your heads off

493
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: and knock the other out. But it's a lot of

494
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: good work. And so when you see, you know, a

495
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: guy you know, and I'll tell you who that guy is.

496
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: It was calch Early, Okay, you know that. I guess

497
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: he came up to my one of my publicists and

498
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, I wanted to fight. He

499
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: wanted to fight, right, And so I'm like, okay, cool,

500
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: who's he wanted to fight? Man? You know cause I'm

501
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm already in mass making mode. I'm I'm like, man,

502
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: I can match this guy up against him. And I'm

503
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: right because I'm already thinking about it. And You're like, yeah, Sean,

504
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: you know that the coment frogged me when it's kind

505
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: of looking So I was like, what, you know, you know,

506
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: that's not something that's smart for you. I don't think

507
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: you want to do that. Yeah, But there I'm open

508
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: to me. There's a couple of w W guys, former

509
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: current and former that want to that want to fight.

510
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: I told him, come over, I'll senior contract, we'll we'll

511
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: work out the details, and we can do it in

512
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: lights out of training fighting in my in my league,

513
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: we can. I got no problem with that. But I

514
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: also think that in the in this, in fighting, in this,

515
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: in the business in general, you don't go like, you

516
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: can play basketball, you can play football, you know, we

517
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: played it, but fighting it's just one of those things

518
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: like you can't play, you can't play. You better do

519
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: it or you or don't do it right, because if

520
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: you're not fully capable mentally, physically and you're ready to

521
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: go in there. We've seen some tragedies the Jake, the

522
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: YouTuber what's his name, Jake Paul, Jake Paul. When the

523
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: basketball Nate Robinson he you don't play boxing, Yeah, look,

524
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I'm gon just go find like yeah

525
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: he messed around and found out yeah quick. And it's

526
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: one of those things. I look, I love being on

527
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: the backside of things because we had production, you know,

528
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: TV trucks, and I love being on that side of

529
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: the business. The promoting the marketing, the putting the fights together.

530
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: I love that side of the business, but it also

531
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: too that edge of me, that little bit to say

532
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I can I can go with some of these guys nowhere. Yeah,

533
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: but unless you're ready to step in there and do

534
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: it all the way, man, I just I haven't. I

535
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: haven't done it. Now, what led to you trying to

536
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: own your I mean there's a lot of ups and

537
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: downs with it, but like what led you to owning

538
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: or getting into like trying to have your own league. Yeah.

539
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: So I started, you know, training on the off season

540
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: back in between two thousand and five and two thousand

541
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: and six. You know. So I'll go do my off

542
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: season workouts whatever, go get so I can get my

543
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: what do you call the bonus, the workout bonus. Yeah,

544
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: so I go, I'll go get that workout in and

545
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: I'll end up going to to train. I was training

546
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: in Jay Glaziers Gym. Yeah, yeah, for and I grew

547
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: up boxing. My uncles were professional boxer, so I grew

548
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: up just naturally boxing. And he's like, man, you can

549
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know you can box? And I said yeah, yeah,

550
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: he said, be able to try them in May? He

551
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: said no, he said, I think it'll help your hands

552
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: and being a better pass rusher I saw on linebackers.

553
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: I said, oh cool, I'm down. I'm done text men address.

554
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: I go to this address next day in La I

555
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: walk in the gym. Jay Glaziers here, Randy Gautore is here,

556
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: the great Yeah. So I'm looking at Jay. I'm like, yo, what,

557
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: I ain't fighting Randy, and I hope you know that

558
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: that's not you know. He said, no, no, no, we're gonna

559
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna work right show you how to use your

560
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: pumble grapple. Yeah, use your hands, leverage and all this stuff, man.

561
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: And that was It was humbling for me that day

562
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: because I'm fifty sixty pounds bigger than Randy. I'm stronger

563
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: than he as a more athletic, and yet he's sitting

564
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: there tossing me around and I can't figure it out.

565
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: And so I knew that there was something about this

566
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: sport that was going to help me in the field.

567
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I came out in two thousand and

568
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: six and I laid the NFL and sacks. I started

569
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: using my hands and being able to bend the corner. Yeah,

570
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: big time. I wasn't high anymore. I mean, I'm opening

571
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: up and turning around those big tackles. And that's when

572
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: I knew it was something about this sport that was

573
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: going to help me in football. And so fast forward,

574
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: I started doing every single year and I ended up

575
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: launching Lights Out Extreme Fighting back in twenty nineteen, and

576
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: we're on Football, Football TV, Football Sports. Yeah, and so

577
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: we just we just crossed over to the top ten

578
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: most watched all time. Our last fight we had in May,

579
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: we just crossed into the top ten most watched. And congrats,

580
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, man, we'll talk about Well, let's

581
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: let's stay on that topic. Where do you guys fight at?

582
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Because I want to continue to promote this. I think

583
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: it's awesome that you have gotten into this. I'm a

584
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: big MMA fan. I don't have football sports, so I'm

585
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: not able to watch it all the time. But where

586
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: do you guys have your fights at? How often do

587
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: you have them? And just kind of let's talk about it.

588
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: What makes your league until also what makes your league

589
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: different than the other leagues. Yeah, we we have the

590
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: next up and coming superstars, right, that's the difference. Yeah,

591
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: that's like UFC got me into the sport like they're

592
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: branding their storytelling, they're building their fighters. And so I've

593
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: been around my first UFC fighters in two thousand and

594
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I've been over thirty five fights over the last you

595
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: know how many years, and so I got a chance

596
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: to see that from a distance. But we also played NFL.

597
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Where's the biggest production, it's the biggest storytelling, it's the

598
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: biggest pathway to getting it out there, because nobody's really

599
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: done it bigger than the NFL, especially here in this country.

600
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: So we come from that. So that's what I'm used

601
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: to being a part of. And so fast forward, you know,

602
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: us launching the fights. We're doing a fight every six weeks,

603
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: so we'll go Saturday to we're October seventh, and we're

604
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: at the end of November Long Beach, and a lot

605
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: of these fighters in California in general, there's a ton

606
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: of fighters that just don't get an opportunity to coming up,

607
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: Like we have amateurs. We're gonna be showing amateurs live.

608
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing that, showing amateur fighters because these guys are

609
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: going to end up turning pro with us, you know

610
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: some of them. Yeah, I'm sure we end up turning

611
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: pro with us, and so we're we're kind of bringing

612
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: these guys all the way through and we're kind of

613
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: creating loyalty with them and kind of get behind them,

614
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: promoting them and giving them a shot because when it

615
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: comes time to turn proudem like, man, those guys put

616
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: me on TV like they you know, they took care

617
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: of me until a lot of these guys are end

618
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: up turning pro. But we want the young Connor McGregor's,

619
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: We want the young Rond de rousis a man in

620
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: New Nest. We always looking for them. And then when

621
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: we can't, you know, facilitate the partnership with like the

622
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: deal anymore, like have them there because either we can't

623
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: pay them or they want another opportunity. I tell them

624
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: I've dropped the Danny White myself up to the facility.

625
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, we don't we don't mind that. I saw

626
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: a picture of O'Malley who just won the belt for

627
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: the for the UFC in like twenty thirteen. This dude

628
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: like like just like skinny regular curly here yeh yeah yeah,

629
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: And now you see them, it's like, yeah, but that's

630
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. You want to get those early

631
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: guys and then we want to continue to promote you

632
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: come on here, let you fight in front of the

633
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: body with your on TV, and then you're going to

634
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: pretendue to progress. So you guys aren't enemies with UFC. No, no,

635
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: not at all. And then you know USC is so

636
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: big man, they're not you know, they're not worried about

637
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: anybody else. And so what you can hope to do is,

638
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, we got a lot of tech coming right,

639
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: fan engagement, tech, teching and gloves oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

640
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: different cameras. So we've become more of a incubator for

641
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: AI and tech and like we can do some really

642
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: cool and fun stuff that I just UFC they can't

643
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: do it too big. You know, they got too many

644
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: loyal fans. And we're just kind of getting off the

645
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: ground to the point where, yeah, we're our viewership is

646
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: great and people know about us. But we can start

647
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: implementing a lot of these things without messing things up

648
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: too much. We I mean, not this fight. This fight

649
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: will have the drone cameras and stuff we're trying out

650
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: because it's outside. We had the area of view. I

651
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: mean to see the top of the top of it.

652
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's done that yeah, so we that's gonna be cool innovative.

653
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: I like it, very innovative. And then after that, we're

654
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: starting to implement some of this other fan engagement tech

655
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: and AI that we got coming. Yeah. So, I know

656
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: when I played, one of the biggest things that I

657
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: would try to do is lessons learned. Right when I

658
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: think I became the player I was because I really

659
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: focused on my failures when we lose a game or

660
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: I'd have a terrible game, and I would look at

661
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: the film, take my notes and try to figure out,

662
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: like what could I do to become better. Now, you

663
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: starting out as an entrepreneur, you got your own league,

664
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: what have been some of the lessons learned for you

665
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: thus far? That is chaotic? You know, it's it's you

666
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: have to almost be able to operate in chaos. And

667
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: it's for because you know, this week we had a guy,

668
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: uh get went down accent on hit butt in practice,

669
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: like one of our top guys. He sold two hundred tickets.

670
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: And so when you have something like that, now you're like, Okay, well,

671
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: how do we feel. Yeah, a good really good fighter,

672
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: up and coming guy that sold two on the tickets,

673
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: and how do you replace that? And figure that out.

674
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Now you got to work with the commission to make

675
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: sure that they're medical. The new guy medicals are pushed

676
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: your last minute replacements. Find a guy who's ready in

677
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: four to eight or you know, four or five days. Right.

678
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: So although those things and also you have you know,

679
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: Fouboa like, my team is constantly in communication with them

680
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: on production engineering and you know, satellite feeds and secondary

681
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: satellite feeds, you name it. It's it's a non lot.

682
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's a NonStop thing, man. But I honestly,

683
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rather do anything else. Okay, I was literally

684
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, like, I mean, all this sounds hectic,

685
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: but but this is what you want. I wouldn't honestly,

686
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do nothing else, you know. For me,

687
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very hard to replace that filling and

688
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: run out the tunnel seventy thousand plus. It's very few

689
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: things in this lifetime can they can do that, or

690
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: big hit or pick or punching the dam ball out,

691
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, just it's a turnover play to just put

692
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: you guys in a different you know. So it's very

693
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: few things in this world that can do that. And

694
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of guys struggle when you're done,

695
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: because that you know, getting home to those text messages

696
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: and people calling you and everybody you know, just it's

697
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: very hard to replace that feeling. It. I found something

698
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: to replace that, and that's saying a lot because that

699
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: same passion to have you going to do this over here,

700
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: right that big player whatever it is, like I'm this

701
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: is it for me? Like I don't I don't want

702
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: to do anything else, and to bring a lot of

703
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: these guys along, up and coming guys. We got former athletes,

704
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: NFL guys or guys that didn't play that long maybe

705
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: four five years and still ready to go. We're transitioning

706
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: to these guys right now, we're going to be announcing

707
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: some really big signings here. People come and fight for us.

708
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: They played in the league, this didn't have that long

709
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: career that you know a lot of guys did well.

710
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: That was gonna be My next question was You've been

711
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: a really good outlet for that that realm where a

712
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: lot of the former players or athletes, whether it's football

713
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: or other sports that are very interested in mixed martial

714
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: arts that hey, you can come here and be a

715
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: part of it. Well, are you helping those guys train

716
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: for it? How is that transition going? And what kind

717
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: of advice would you give anybody who's interested into it?

718
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: Because you, like you said, it's more coming down the pipeline,

719
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: it's not. This is just beginning. This isn't something out

720
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: of the ordinary or something just a fad. Yeah, and

721
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: you're you're right, that's gonna happen a lot. You see,

722
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: Le'Veon Bell and Adrian Peterson took a fight. Greg Hardy

723
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: had a short stint and left c Frank Gore, you know, like,

724
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: this guy is coming and Ojoe Sinko box du didn't

725
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: he did and he looked good too. Yeah, we're gonna

726
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: do it, and so hold lights out. We on his

727
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: were fighting. Who we fight? We fighting each other on

728
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: light time? How much you wait? I'm too old, said

729
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm too ten, He too o five. Let's get it.

730
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm not two o five and I'm not fighting. But

731
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: we just talked about that, Tom. How much I'm not

732
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: play fighting? This is not it. How much you weigh

733
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: to me, I'm probably like one ninety eight two. I'll

734
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: get the two o five. You have a five, y'all

735
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: can do that dude, you don't play fight like you

736
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: just said this. This is what we just talked to.

737
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: We can't experiences, believe that's why to make it a

738
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: great fight. You gott you got to you know, see

739
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: sea level guys just fighting. Oh my gosh, this is

740
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I think that people want to see it. I think

741
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: that people want to see it too. Bro. Let's go.

742
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: Let's I'm trying to backpaddle the of this so fast.

743
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: How much time? How much time do you need? Give

744
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: me six weeks. I'm ready, coach wen, we're gonna be

745
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: in the October throw down? What seven?

746
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: You could be ready for that October seventh?

747
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I think I got work that day.

748
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: We was just talking about that. This is Saturday too,

749
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: so you're working on the weekend. I do work on Saturdays. Good,

750
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: all righty ga make it. We can do it on

751
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: a Sunday. I can move it. Were talking to the

752
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: man himself, Oh my god, we can do this. Look

753
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: at my tin, bro, I can't take a punch. My

754
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: tin is not why you see he look at his neck?

755
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: My next decent. We got six weeks to get got

756
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: every like, dude, how do you do that? Like? How

757
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: do you get better at taking the punch. Can you

758
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: do that? Now? The whole goal is not too so

759
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm all already looking at the wrongs that's to come

760
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: and listen. I don't want to get h in the

761
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: face and say, yeah, that's the whole point. You want

762
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: to avoid hitting the face, that's part of it. You

763
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: got me crying. I know, I know what's been one

764
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: of the worst punches knockouts you've ever seen.

765
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: You were just like, oh my god, you got.

766
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: You know the reference from Friday you got a m

767
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: M A in the name your league.

768
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, talking all lights.

769
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: Out in my league. It was actually amateur amateur kid

770
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: came through you, Ryan Shazaar. Okay, yeah, So we we've

771
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: had some guys, man, some knockouts and and obviously you

772
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: know that's I love it. I was like, isn't that

773
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: the best part about it? Well, you want everybody to

774
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: be be safe. It's the same thing, man, Like we

775
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: we all love like death shots and big knockouts and

776
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but also too, like, because I'm behind

777
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: the scenes and better around sports all that really technical

778
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: stuff too. Why I'm looking like, man, that dude scale

779
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: like his ground game, the way he get up his

780
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: takedown defense. I'm looking at everything you know and just

781
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: guys how they keep the composure. But I think at

782
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we all love a good knockout.

783
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, you've never done any boxing, no grappling, No, no,

784
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: I have. My son does jiu jitsu, so he does.

785
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: I tell look, I try. My son does it, and

786
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: he loves it. I just learned watching him and listening

787
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: to his coach. So I tell everybody it's especially former guys.

788
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: Man like, Okay, if you don't want to fight, no problem.

789
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: But what I do think that everybody should do, and

790
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: you see to a just start picking up jiudittionals. I

791
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: think that every former athlete should pick up some form

792
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: of combat sports. I don't thin if you're just boxing,

793
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, grappling, whatever it is. Pick something up, man,

794
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: because it does something for you. And whether you're going

795
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: to fight or not didn't matter. But I just think

796
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: in the head space mentally, the state disciplining state competing

797
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: in something, then yeah, it does allow for you.

798
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: So the name lights out.

799
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: Now. I did a little bit of research and they

800
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: say you knocked out full people in one game in

801
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: high school three in the first half, three in the

802
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: first half, one in the second half, one in the

803
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: second half. That's basic math for you. Three plus one

804
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: is fox not for but foe? Now, how walk me

805
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: through that? Like?

806
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: Was you mad?

807
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Was you? Would you?

808
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: Like Ladimer the program which you just like oh, like

809
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: were they little?

810
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: Were they big? Were you know? Like you have some

811
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: context if you ever had those games you feel like you, uh,

812
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: you're like in the zone that you just kind of

813
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: blank out, like it's just a blur. Everything you're doing

814
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: is right.

815
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: No, I remember, it wasn't a blur. Its just I remember.

816
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: It's just like you can start like you feel I

817
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: just start trying, I do I do? When and everything worked? Yeah?

818
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: And everything worked? I mean I had I had a

819
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: game like that in the pros. We played out of

820
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: Raiders on Monday Night football, I like four or five,

821
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Like I felt like I could have won for seven

822
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: sacks and kept me I din't play the fourth quarter.

823
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: It was one of those times where I felt like

824
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: I could have got seven eight sacks. They kept me

825
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: in the game. It was like that. In high school,

826
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: it was like anybody to come here is getting blown up.

827
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: Like that was like everybody that's coming my way is

828
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: getting blown up, and they did and some mad mamas.

829
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: So the next the next game we had, we had

830
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: a you can't you can't tell about next game, So

831
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: tell me the play. Who got dropped? All play? The

832
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: full back? You know, I broke So everybody go to

833
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: knockdown and go to sleep. But if they got up

834
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: and then return in the game, we counted that as yea,

835
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: the full back broken collar bone and he went off.

836
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: He was done. Offensive line, we would get the on

837
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: side kick. He was done. Quarterback on the sweep, he

838
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: was done. And I think it was a running back

839
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: who caught the ball out the backfield. And so you know,

840
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: at that at that the men amongst boys, you know,

841
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: but when this happens, right, this is pre social media.

842
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: And so what happened. And after that game, I had

843
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: about twenty students come run under me and said, man,

844
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: you knock you knock these guys lights out? And I

845
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, call me lights out. I didn't.

846
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I didn't expect for it to happen, you know, like

847
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah, you know,

848
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: call me, call me lights out. So that right, so

849
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: high school, Yeah, so with my software in high school.

850
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: This is pre social media. So I got to class.

851
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: I got my book bag on Monday, and I carried

852
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: my books around and people walking around They're like, yoh,

853
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: what's up? Lights like? And I was like, ooh, you

854
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: know like that. So I went home and I rushed home.

855
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: I went to knock my mom my mom door. She

856
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: was home, she was home from work already, and she

857
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: was smoking. She smoked cigarettes. And I'm walking in the

858
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: room like I'm doing that, and I said, ma, we

859
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: we uh. We got to get this lights out tattoo

860
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: on my right forearm. And so cause I had one

861
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: of my one of my boys to draw it up.

862
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, I want the lights out tattoo

863
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: on my forearm with the hand just what I got now,

864
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: And she said, boy, get the hell out of the room,

865
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: right She told me to get out. And so every day,

866
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: every day for two weeks, I was like, I'm hounding

867
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: there every day. And then finally that that at the

868
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: end of the two weeks, he said, all right, come on,

869
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: leave me alone. Let's go. You know we're gonna leave him.

870
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: She took me get this tattoo, and so that's where

871
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: the lights out thing happened. We had a game on

872
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: the ESPN, my freshman of the University Mayland playing Georgia Tech. Yeah,

873
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver Watkins. It was on the hits on YouTube. Watkins.

874
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: I just got I wouldn't started and I was dropping

875
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: into the flats. It was a crossing pattern and I

876
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: came in hit him, knocking me. His back went immediately

877
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: to the ground. Yeah, and I got up and I

878
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: and I did that and I didn't jump at first, right,

879
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: It's just that and the crowd got loud, and that's

880
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: when I did that. Yeah. So my coach, Rolph Friedan,

881
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: who's head coach at the time, he came over and said,

882
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: if you ever do that again, you'll never play. That's

883
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: what he told me. Celebrate, celebrate, and so uh my heads,

884
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm like cut down here, down, like, oh d I

885
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: can you know? I went from here to here in

886
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: two seconds. But I got walked down the sideline and

887
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: my coaches and the play hear me say yo, what

888
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: was that? And I was like that was lights out

889
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: dance and it off. That was it. Oh, So that's

890
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: how that happened. I'm amazed that you so, because I

891
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: didn't know about the lights out until you were in

892
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: the league. I thought it was you did it when

893
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: you was in the league that I thought. Your first

894
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: second was.

895
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh, that's that's pretty cool.

896
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: Like no, I didn't know. I just think it's school.

897
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: It's brilliant because the marketing was there, the passion was there,

898
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: and this was before anybody else was thinking about this.

899
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: But bro, you were onto it. Lights Out, Like that's

900
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: how we all know you, and we all saw you

901
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: with the switch on your arm. I mean, eventually you're

902
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: in the league, they can they can shine in on

903
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: your tats. Yeah, we can finally see it. I like

904
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: that brand building in high school. Yeah, on top of it.

905
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: I was wondering because that was gonna be My next

906
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: one was like, did you go by lights out or

907
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: lights and college? Yeah? I mean still and in fact,

908
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: so your homies call you light Yeah, lights okay, yeah.

909
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: Light skinned.

910
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: Look Thomas looking at me like really do really? He

911
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: look he hated. I'm not hating right now. So that's

912
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: that's why they that's why I got a problem, No problem.

913
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: No problem, but I don't want no smoke.

914
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: And so you know what ended up happening was my

915
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: second at the end of my first year. We got

916
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I got some money when I was in the league,

917
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: and I ended up buying the name in trademarks smart.

918
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: So it's a company called PJ. Salvage, what a big

919
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: pajama company. And Revine and my friend who was a

920
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: trademark attorney, we reached out to them and I ended

921
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: up acquiring all the trademarks and everything for light Time.

922
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: And that's how you're able to do lights out, extreme

923
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: fighting everything else. Man, that's with peanut punch, but Hershey

924
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: owns it. I couldn't couldn't get it. They don't need

925
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: your money, No, do not need your I I tried it.

926
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: I tried it. So look, man, you've great NFL career, college,

927
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: high school, You're doing your thing and uh in the

928
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: in the in the lights out of this mma with

929
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: your own league. Life's about journey. And we got guides

930
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: and they help us who have been the mentors in

931
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: your life. If you had your own personal Mount Rushmore

932
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: with four people who would be on it. It was

933
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: first of all my high school coaches. They took us,

934
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: they took me in. We lost, we lost our homes

935
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: and I was homeless for a while when we were

936
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: growing up as a kid and again in high school,

937
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: and so my my coaches and my dad wasn't around

938
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: like that, even though we got I got a good

939
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: relationship with my dad. Now my dad would around my

940
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: high school coaches kind of took that step to have

941
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: that kind of figure. And then for me, man, it

942
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I got really cult to like

943
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Diddy and Puff and you know, like a lot of

944
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: people who were smoke and so I got a chance

945
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: to spend time around them, like days, months, weeks, all

946
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: that stuff and spending time with them. So I started

947
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: to learn a lot faster than most people because I

948
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: can pick up the phone and call him and that

949
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: that that to me was invaluable to be able to

950
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call people like that. You know,

951
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, Stephen Jonah, who put me

952
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: onto the clothing space and showed me licensing. You know.

953
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Donald Donald Trump was another one who took me under

954
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: my when out early on in my career. I spent

955
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: a lot of time with him on the business side,

956
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: you know kind of mean he did, man, I was

957
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with him in his office

958
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: and hanging around him and flying places with him, and

959
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: he would go in and have his licensing department, and

960
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: all these people like, hey, whatever Sean wants, make sure

961
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: we get it. Nobody's better at branding than him. Yeah,

962
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: and I learned a lot of that from from him,

963
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: just the branding of the hotel, licensing of the hotels,

964
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: and so yeah, he was a big influence. You know,

965
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: go to Diddy the Trump right, I mean you do.

966
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: You're rolling some high class I'm not lying. I mean

967
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: I think romans the most. I think you endeavor the

968
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: two celebris. I know, I appreciate it. Well, now you

969
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: know three because I know lights out pretty big time.

970
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: And so I was I was fortunate man because uh,

971
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: either at a really good circle of people, very successful

972
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: girl friend of mine, Ted Wait who on sol Gateway computer?

973
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Hoff and who who who started? Uh? I think

974
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: the Price line or pceline. Uh? And so these you

975
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: have really met moguls, bro like being around them, you

976
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: can pick up talk to them and their ideas and questions. Yeah,

977
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: I think that's invaluable. And then uh, you know, like

978
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: I said, when you calling people like that pick up,

979
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: it means a lot. So well, I'm getting your number

980
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: after this because I might have to bounce an idea

981
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: or a question off you. So you're gonna You're gonna

982
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: be on my Mount Rushmore on my mogul you you

983
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: you are mogul now, so we're gonna be You're gonn

984
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: ask me? I got one more question before we get

985
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: out here. We usually end on the Mount Rushmore question,

986
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: but I got to know this is that is there

987
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: any former current player who Sean lights out Merriman would

988
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: love to go in the ring against. I mean, if

989
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Turley wanted. I'm just there's there's some there's some

990
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: guys I think I just for me man, being on

991
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: this side of the business, I stay out of calling

992
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: people out because I think that's what the fighters and

993
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: promoter fights. Yeah, and the contracts that I did, you know,

994
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: send out. Like Adam Hunter, who's a comedian for the

995
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: UFC and does a lot of stuff for the UFC,

996
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: he asked me the other day about three weeks ago

997
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: about me fighting Shot, right, He's like, hey, would you

998
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: fight Shock? And I'm like, yeah, of course, why wouldn't I?

999
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm I'm the type that if somebody's really serious,

1000
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: then I'll make it happen. If they're really serious, but

1001
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm the one that I was in the contracts out

1002
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. I ain't going to the media. I'm

1003
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: not the body. I'm gonna see if they really really

1004
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: want to do this, and they gonna get a contract

1005
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: for me. I'm gonna say, what's your price, and let's

1006
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: let's and what it's going to take for you to

1007
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: do it, and then I'll start to work that. And

1008
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: I was in a contract guy, but I don't getting

1009
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: up no responses, you know. So like some of these

1010
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: guys will will do that and disappear and like be

1011
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: on social media or somewhere and they're talking about it.

1012
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: I'm like Bobby Lashley from the WW you know, he's

1013
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: another one that wants to fight. I'm like, Okay, where

1014
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: do I s in the contract? You know? How can

1015
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: we get this done? So my answer to that is

1016
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: anybody who wanted I guess. I mean, I don't really

1017
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: have a Are you doing the lights out there? If

1018
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: you drop one, no question, you got to, you got to.

1019
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: I ain't seen it. I love to see it. I

1020
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: ain't seen it in a minute. So yeah, I'm looking

1021
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: forward to seeing it hopefully one day, one day, real soon,

1022
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: and then you can we'll talk offline and and figure

1023
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: out what we can send that contract for me in

1024
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: Rome for our fight when Sunday, Yeah, right after church,

1025
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: right after church, so we can get it in. We

1026
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: could get it in. I only hanging. He left me hanging.

1027
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: I got you.

1028
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1029
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, y'all, And that's the show man.

1030
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, that was im speechless.

1031
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: All right, you know what. All right, we're out of here.

1032
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: Thank you for all of our listeners wherever you pick

1033
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: us up at Sean Merriman, you've been a blessing man.

1034
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: Thank you for thanks spending time with us, man, encouraging

1035
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: us and really entertaining all of our listeners. And this

1036
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: was a good one. This was really good man. Anywhere

1037
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: you listen to it, man, keep listening, man, Tell a

1038
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: friend to tell a friend to tell a friend. Whether

1039
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: you listen at Apple Podcast or iHeart man, this has

1040
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: been a blessing man. This has been awesome. Thank you, La,

1041
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: thank you, NFL Studios, NFL Player, second X Podcast. We're

1042
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: out of here. Peace,