1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: We have to have this debating conference about whether we 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: should be in places like Afghanic death. This tell that 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: has changed. We've got a hold of accountable book. See 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: how they govern. Floomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and perspective 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: from DC's top names. 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The White House weighs in on Texas 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: new abortion law along with members of Congress, and we'll 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: talk next with Representative Lori Rahand, Democrat from Massachusetts, about 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: a possible legislative response, and later we'll discuss it with 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter Greg Store and thank you for 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: joining us on Bloomberg Sound On. Most people woke up 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: to the news of the Supreme Court ruling allowing the 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: new Texas abortion law to stand at least for now. 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Democrats are looking for options from the d J from Congress, 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: and that is where we start with Representative Lory Trahand, 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Democrat from Massachusetts. Congresswoman, Welcome to Bloomberg Radio. Thank you 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: for having me. You're calling the Texas abortion law the 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: greatest threat to women's reproductive rights in decades. You tweeted, 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: we must use every tool possible to defeat it. What 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: tools do you have in Congress? Well, first, I'll start 28 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: by saying the Texas abortion van is the greatest threat 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: to women's reproductive rights in decades, full stop. I mean 30 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: the Supreme Courts in action to protect the precedent it's 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: set in Roe v. Wade is shameful. Um. In Congress, 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you know I think what that means that, Uh, well, 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: first I do. I believe that we must use every 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: tool possible to defeat this fassault on women's reproductive rights. 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: And I believe in Congress that means enacting legislation that 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: will preempt the Texas abortion ban and laws that are 37 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: certain to emerge in Republican controlled states in the coming months. 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a strong supporter of the Women's Health 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: Protection Act, which will protect the right to access abortion 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: care throughout the entire country, no matter what state you're in. Um. 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: And there's no question that codifying Row is necessary in 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: the wake of the Supreme Courts and action. Uh. And 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: this legislation will will get us there. I notice your colleague, 44 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: Congressman Jim McGovern was also pushing for representative duty. Choose 45 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: Women's Health Protection Act? Is that the venue then the 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: Democrats will use? Absolutely? Uh, it's you know, it is 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: the the piece of legislation that will protect uh, you know, 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: women's access to abortion care. Uh, you know, federally on 49 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: a national scale, so that you know, this is an 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: a patchwork of you know, wherever a woman lives determines 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: what kind of health care she's going to receive. And 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, I think you're gonna hear you know, all 53 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: of the cosponses of which there are are many, are 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: our caucused talking about moving that piece of legislation in 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: the wake of this, uh, this Texas abortion dam. Do 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: you expect this will come back to the Supreme Court 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: or do you not plan to wait? Yeah? I don't 58 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: think we can wait. I mean, time is of the 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: essence right now. Laws are being enacted today that are 60 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: going to strip women of the rights. But the Supreme 61 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Court has you know, held up over time with Roe v. Wade. 62 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm not shocked that the Supreme 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: courts in action. Um uh. You know, in terms of 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: letting this this van goes through. You know, they're legislators 65 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: who gaslight of the American people by telling them that 66 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Rowe was safe while simultaneously birming Trump appointed judges he 67 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: promised would overturn the landmark legislation. They should be ashamed, 68 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's why we can't wait another day. 69 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: You know, Congress needs to use every tool possible to 70 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: defeat this assault on women's reproductive rights. Comerscewoman Trahan, you 71 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: co sponsored legislation to award the Congressional Gold Medal to 72 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Sergeant Johanni Rosario Picardo of Lawrence Mass and her fellow 73 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: service members who were killed in the bombing last week 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. When do you see that happening? Well, we 75 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: are certainly pushing to have a vote on that as 76 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: soon as possible. I mean, I I don't think we 77 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: can talk about Afghanistan without first acknowledging acknowledging that, you know, 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: the longest war in our nation's history is finally over. UH, 79 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: and we're forever indebted to the brave service members who 80 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: answered the call over the past two decades, including those 81 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: who executed the largest airlift in US history in recent weeks, 82 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: but certainly UM for the thirteen soldiers who made the 83 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: l him At sacrifice last week protecting vulnerable Americans and 84 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: our allies trying to get to safety. UH. You know 85 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: I've been I was at a candle light vigil too 86 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: nights ago for Sergeant Johanni Rosario Paciardo. I have the 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: honor of representing her and her entire family, UM, and 88 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: each of them are heroes and its. It falls it 89 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: falls to us now to UH to continue their mission 90 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: getting our remaining allies to safety. UM, but to do 91 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: so without further endangering American service members and frankly honoring 92 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: that sacrifice that UM, that those thirteen service members made. 93 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: Have you spoken then with her family and do you 94 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: support the president's withdrawal from Afghanistan? I do, I so, 95 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: I have spent time with the family. I mean, there's 96 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: nothing harder than losing a twenty five year old woman 97 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: who's committed for life to UH servicing, uh, serving her country, 98 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: giving the old him it's sacrifice. I mean it was 99 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: it was hard, you know, a bright light was extinguished 100 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: in our community and uh, and that will never be 101 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: able to fully repay Johanni or her family for their sacrifice. 102 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: But I think that right now, you know, we we 103 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: have a president who has done frankly, what you know 104 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: four preceding presidents have not done, which is end this war, 105 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: which is overwhelmingly you know a majority of Americans agree 106 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: with him on that. And so uh, you know, I 107 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: believe that. You know, when the when the president talks 108 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: about a successful mission, he's talking about in the LASS 109 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: seventeen days alone, more than a hundred and twenty four 110 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: thousand people Americans, Afghan partners, and allies from around the 111 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: world airlifted to safety and assurance that we would not 112 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: enter a third decade of a war that's gone on 113 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: too long. People who support the presidents, whether it's in 114 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: Congress or beyond Congress one seemed to look at this 115 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: in two different ways. That the idea of ending the 116 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: war good, the way the withdrawal was handled bad. And 117 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: as you serve on the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations. 118 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if you're preparing for hearings on how the 119 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: withdrawal was executed. You certainly, you know, we've start in 120 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: briefings with UM, with the leadership and with the administration 121 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: to hear about the the evacuation of of Americans and 122 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: of our Afghan allies. And some want to continue to 123 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, certainly, whenever you execute a mission 124 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: like this, you want to ring out all of the 125 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: lessons um so that historically we can we can learn 126 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: from them. I think that right now it's important for 127 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: us to recognize that the war in Afghanistan is over. 128 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: That was a necessary first step in ending two decades 129 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: of war, of pain, of sacrifice. But let's be clear, 130 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't mean our foreign policy goals are over. 131 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, we we must, you know, learn from these 132 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: past twenty years. We have to set missions with clear, 133 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: achievable goals and ones that don't plunge hundreds of thousands 134 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: of American service members back into a war with no 135 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: end date. And I think the President has laid out 136 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: those goals in terms of a roadmap going forward. You know, 137 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: we're going to continue hunting down those who engage in 138 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: terrorism against US and our allies, and and they will 139 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: pay the ultimate price. We're going to continue supporting the 140 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: African people through diplomacy, international influence, humanitarian aid. UH. You 141 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: know we're gonna We're going to continue to push for 142 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: regional diplomacy engagement to prevent violence and instability. And now 143 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: leant me to continue to speak out the basic rights 144 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: of the Afternan people, especially women and girls, as we 145 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: do around the world. And and we'll continue to keep 146 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: human rights at the center of our foreign policy, not 147 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: through endless military deployment, but with diplomacy, economic tools, and 148 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: US rallying our allies in the world. Kevin McCarthy, the 149 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Republican leader in the House, as promised to make this 150 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: a major campaign issue in the mid terms, and he 151 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: seems to be in lockstep with his caucus on that. 152 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: As as you debate the next Defense authorization UH spending 153 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: bill here the annual spending bill, do you think any 154 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: authorization of force should come with an end date? So 155 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: I've been a huge proponent of ending UH or having 156 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: you know, Congress re established UM. You know, it's authority 157 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: in how we authorize our youth militarily for getting pretty 158 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: long in the tooth. Absolutely, and we we can't we 159 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: can't allow that, uh, you know, to continue, UM. And 160 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: I think that's why so many of us are on 161 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: the record, uh in terms of ending the a U 162 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: M S and Iraq and in Afghanistan. Yes, of course 163 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: we're going to debate this as we head into the 164 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: n D N D A A. Kevin McCarthy is going 165 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: to politicize this just as he has every other issue, 166 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: UM in the Congress. But really what we're going to 167 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: do is we're going to look at back, We're going 168 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: to engage in responsible policy making. And I think that's 169 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: what Democrats stand for, and that's what we're going to 170 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: continue to do. Look, we just went through eighteen months 171 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: of Republican politicizing, you know, the COVID public health crisis, 172 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: and we're paying a huge price right now for that, 173 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: with the delta variant taking people's lives where we shouldn't 174 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: be losing any live because we have the solution in 175 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: a in a vaccine. I understand, you know, Kevin McCarthy 176 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: wants to be Speaker of the House. He's going to 177 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes you can to you know, win 178 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: that majority. But I think what we have to continue 179 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: doing is responsible policy making based on facts, that based 180 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: on lessons learned, and uh in doing what's rights to 181 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: the American people. Congresswoman Lorie Trehan, Democrat from Massachusetts, many 182 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us on Bloomberg Radio. You're listening 183 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 184 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: Headline on the op ed in the Wall Street Journal, 185 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: why I won't support spending another three and a half trillion. 186 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: That's Joe Mansion writing that Senator from West Virginia and 187 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: the subhead amid inflation, debt and the inevitability of future crises, Congress, 188 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: he says, needs to take a strategic pause. And we 189 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: look at the calendar the second of September. Committees in 190 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: the House, we're supposed to have their work done by 191 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: the fifteenth on reconciliation. This was just getting going for real, 192 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: and so we talked about it with the panel Bloomberg 193 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: political contributors, Rick Davis, Genie Schanzano. Thanks to both of 194 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: you for being here. As always, Genie, did Joe Manchin 195 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: just torpedo this whole thing. We understand of course that 196 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: by part as an infrastructure doesn't go anywhere in the 197 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: House unless they get reconciliation done. He is really trying 198 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: to torpedo it, and he is not alone. We've heard 199 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: similar things from Kristen Cinema. But as we've all been 200 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: talking about from what seems like months now, this is 201 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: what he has said all along. He allowed out this 202 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: to go forward, but he was never supportive of a 203 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: three point five trillion dollar plan. Kristen Cinema has expressed 204 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: the same and that was always the reality of this. So, 205 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, I thought, reading his his his op ed 206 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: that he made a really important point that reflects what 207 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: many moderates, both Democrat and Republicans feel, which is that 208 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: this idea of reverse engineering that you establish a number 209 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: and then you figure out how you're going to spend 210 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: that number. And for most of us, we budget the 211 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: other way, right. We decide what we need, we decide 212 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: how much we can spend, and then wee Yeah, that's 213 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: real life. So for many Americans, I think this will resonate, 214 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: But of course it creates a huge headache for Chuck 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Well, that's for sure, Rick. I 216 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: can only imagine what we're gonna here tomorrow from progressives 217 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: on this, as Joe Mansion writes, by placing a strategic 218 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: pause on this budgetary proposal, by significantly reducing the size 219 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: of any possible reconciliation, build only what American afford it 220 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: needs to spend. We can build a stronger nation for 221 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: our families. He goes on to write, more, Uh, this 222 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: has been a very delicate dance for the Democratic leadership, 223 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: and if everybody moves to one side of the boat here, 224 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: this whole thing could tip over. Right, that's right, Joe, 225 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I think you you really point out an incredibly important 226 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: debate that's happening inside the Democratic Party, both in the 227 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: House and the Senate. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker, barely got 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: the resolution through to go to reconciliation, and she had 229 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: to buy off the moderate caucus within her her party 230 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: in order to do so, by promising a vote on 231 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: the seven September on on the on the infrastructure bill. 232 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: But between now and then, as you point out, September 233 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: fifteenth the first deadline, and right now the House could 234 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: pass this bill, but it would be dead on arrival 235 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Based on what Joe Mansion said today, 236 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: but Genie Joe Mansion wants that bipart as an infrastructure bill. 237 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: He he talked about it as as a great supporter, 238 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: having been involved in the deal was struck. Uh, he knows. 239 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that that will not pass the House if 240 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: reconciliation doesn't happen. Or does he know better? Is he 241 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: calling their bluff? Well? He he does know, Um, and 242 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: you're right, he's been incredibly supportive of the bipartisan bill. 243 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: And we do need infrastructure spending. He's pointing out obviously 244 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: how much and on what. But I do think that 245 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: this is one of the things that Nancy Pelosi and 246 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: Chuck Shermore will be able to use to potentially come 247 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: to a sort of resolution if it's possible on this, 248 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: and to keep him and Kristen Cinema on board, which 249 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: will be we've got to negotiate. So I think what 250 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: we are likely see is something closer to a two 251 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: trillion two and a half trillion dollar plan that they'll 252 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: be able to say yes to. Then they're going to 253 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: have to struggle to keep the progressives on board and 254 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: wait and see what gets cut out of that is 255 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: going to be the big fight for the progressives. You 256 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: know who else I'm thinking of right now, Rick Josh Gottheimer, 257 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: the moderate Democrat who the op ed with his nine 258 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: colleagues that said time kills deals. This is why they 259 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: wanted to pass the bipart is an Infrastructure deal before 260 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: the reconciliation debate because that was the wild West. Yeah, 261 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: and boy was he prescient in that. Look at what's 262 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: happened since that vote, and and one of them is 263 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: Hurricane Ida. I mean, if there is a argument for 264 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: infrastructure spending, it's the hurricane that just blasted through the 265 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: south and northeast. Um. That would be actually something this 266 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: administration could point to and say, hey, look, you know, 267 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: I've got a trillion dollars ready to go to fix 268 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: up those communities and make sure that the hurricanes like 269 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: that in the future aren't going to be able to 270 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: create the damage and death and destruction that that occurred 271 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: this time around. UH. State after state is already saying 272 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: in the repress, this bridge needs to be fixed, that 273 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: road is gonna get repaired. I mean, the momentum for 274 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: infrastructure is now, it's today. If the Democrats let this 275 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: fade until the I think they run the risk of 276 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: of their own party imploding one of the things that's 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: probably incredibly important to their prospects. Uh in the future. 278 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot on the line here. This is the 279 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: stuff that's gonna keep Joe Biden up at night. I 280 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: can only assume, Genie, So what's the leadership do right now? 281 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: I can only guess you've got a phone call in 282 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: the very near future with the President, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Felosi. 283 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: I think the White House, you know, they've been sidetracked 284 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: by obviously these crises Afghanistan and then also as Rick 285 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: was just talking about the hurricane, which continues um. But 286 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: I think they have to get back on track in 287 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: their messaging on infrastructure. They've got to make the case 288 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: that these investments most Americans Republican Democrats, so they can 289 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: go out of their house and know they're needed. We 290 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: see that with Ida in the last few days. And 291 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: of course they've got to say this is an investment 292 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: in jobs in the economy. I think that message keeps 293 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: moderates on board, maybe not at three point five trillion, 294 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: but somewhere in there. So I think the messaging is 295 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: going to be key. That gotten off track not their fault, 296 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: because they've gotten sidetracked by everything else. But I think 297 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: and hope they get back on track, and that keep 298 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: the moderates on board and try to make sure the 299 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: progressive see this. They can't get everything they want, but 300 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: they're going to get a lot more than they will 301 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: after this midterm happens in two and they are potentially 302 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: out of power. Welcome to the Thursday is an already 303 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: Thursday edition of Bloomberg. Sound on, We'll call it Little Friday. 304 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: As I read from Greg's store on the terminal. With 305 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the Court set to consider overturning the landmark Roe v. 306 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: Wade case in coming months, the five four decision stands 307 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: as an ominous sign for the fate of constitutional abortion rights. 308 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: Greg is with us now. I appreciate your being here. Greg. 309 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: We had a chance to talk a little bit earlier 310 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: on balance of power, and I'd like to push this 311 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: forward a bit because it is likely that this will 312 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: come back to the Supreme Court. Can you explain why. Well, 313 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: there are a couple of ways it could come back 314 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: to the Court. It could come back in the Texas case, 315 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: because that this is just an interim order that said 316 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: the law and go into effect while the litigation goes forward, 317 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: and then you have this case that the Court is 318 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: already planning on hearing arguments in. It's a Mississippi case 319 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: involving a ban after fifteen weeks of pregnancy, and in 320 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: that case, Mississippi is asking the court to overturn Roe v. Wade. 321 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: So sometime in the next year we're going to get 322 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: the court saying whether it will indeed do that. One 323 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: of the things that struck me as I read through 324 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: this law is that it's enforced by individuals. So now 325 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: we're in a scenario in which neighbors could be potentially 326 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: suing neighbors, but not the actual woman who sought the abortion. Correct, 327 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: it would be those who helped her get one, that's right. 328 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: So it could be, uh, you know, somebody who drove 329 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: drove her to to the place where she got it. 330 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: It could be somebody who set up an appointment, or 331 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: it could be the clinic that that performed the abortion. 332 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: But no, it does not make the woman herself liable. 333 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: And uh, that means that a woman could actually perform 334 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: the abortion herself or travel herself to another state and 335 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: there wouldn't be any liability. So that's likely to happen, right, 336 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: everyone will just leave Texas to get this done. Well, 337 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure everyone. Uh. Certainly women who can afford 338 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: it and want an abortion and have access to to 339 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: to going somewhere, well we'll consider doing that. But abortion 340 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: rights advocates, you say, you know, an awful lot of 341 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: the people are poor and they don't have the ability 342 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: to just pick up in and fly to some other 343 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: states to to get an abortion. And I don't mean 344 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: to suggest that everyone does have the means to do that. 345 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: But in terms of this this citizen enforcement, apparently, as 346 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: I'm reading now in the Houston Chronicle, uh, a conservative 347 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: group has actually set up a tip website where people 348 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: can can you know, anonymously name suspected violators of the law, 349 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: and and many are using it to troll the group. 350 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: They're putting up pictures of Shrek and all kinds of 351 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: other stuff. But this is just a sense rag of 352 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: where this is going. Yeah, and you know, one of 353 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: the aspects of this law. There there's a lot of 354 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: things that abortion rights groups say it is really nefarious 355 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: about this law. But one of it is that, um, 356 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: if you sue somebody under this law and you lose, 357 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to pay their attorney attorney's fees. But UM, 358 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: if you are sued and you and you lose, you 359 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: do have to pay the other sides attorney's fees. So financially, 360 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: there's more risk to somebody who is sued than somebody 361 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: who sues. And that's part of the reason why you're seeing, UH, 362 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: these groups be so aggressive about looking for people. Greg 363 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: We talked Olier this hour with the Congresswoman Laurie for Hannah, 364 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: Democrat from Massachusetts, who is one of many members of 365 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Congress Democrats who are circling around this bill, the Women's 366 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: Health Protection Act by Representative Judy Chew. This would ban 367 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: laws like these. Not likely to pass, but if it did, 368 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: would that be the end of this story as opposed 369 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: to waiting for the Supreme Court potentially to rule again. 370 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I haven't had a chance to really 371 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: look closely at that. I just wonder if any legislation 372 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: would simply prompt more court cases. I think it would 373 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: certainly prompt more court cases, and it may prompt in 374 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: abortion states to look for other avenues to UH enact 375 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: measures like this. Certainly, UH, most constitutional scholars would say 376 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: Congress has the ability to to step in and set 377 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: national rules for abortion. That that is something that that 378 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: the federal government could do. Uh, it just hasn't had 379 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: the will so far. You spend a lot of time 380 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: covering the Supreme Court. Obviously this was crafted. This law 381 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,239 Speaker 1: was crafted very carefully to evade court ruling or at 382 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: least allow it to take effect before courts could act. 383 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: How did they accomplish that? Yeah, Well, a big part 384 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: of it is that that bit about private enforcement. So normally, 385 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: if if a state passes a law and you think 386 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: it's unconstitutional, you just sue the state, or you sue 387 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: the official who would be in charge of implementing or 388 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: enforcing the law. Um. Here, there is no state official 389 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: or local government official who has any power to file 390 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: a lawsuit or or press criminal charges against somebody who's 391 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: evolved involved in an abortion. So you're left trying to 392 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: to sue individuals. And in the case that was at 393 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, they did sue an individual who who 394 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: who the group said had had threatened to file lawsuits. Um, 395 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: and he's saying, oh, I'm not going to file any lawsuits. 396 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: And even if you were to get an injunction against 397 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: that person, that wouldn't preclude other people from going after 398 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: somebody who was involved in an abortion. So there's not 399 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: the kind of mech easy mechanism to for a court 400 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: to jump in and say, hey, State of Texas or 401 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: or Harris County, you cannot enforce this law. Government reporting 402 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: that the Texas abortion law is sparking copycat consideration in 403 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: Florida is that the next leg in this story greg 404 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: that many other conservative leaning states will try to do 405 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the same. This this story may have a number of legs, 406 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: and that's certainly one of them. Uh. You know, it's 407 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: important to just back up for a second and say, 408 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did not say either that this law 409 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: is constitutional or that the procedure here, uh is okay, 410 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: that that this whole private enforcement magnet mechanism is legal. Um, 411 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: it just let the law go into effects. So we 412 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: don't have an absolute pronouncement on that. Having said that, though, 413 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: by letting the law go into effect, the courts sort 414 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: of signaled we don't have a massive problem with this law, 415 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: not massive enough that we're going to jump in and 416 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: stop it. So they did create something of a roadmap, 417 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: certainly one that conservative states are gonna think about taking 418 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: advantage of spark take is always from Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter. 419 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: Greg's stores had a long day and I appreciate it. Greg, 420 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: you're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew 421 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: on bloom Bird Radio. The Texas abortion law has occupied 422 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: quite a bit of time today in Washington. It's certainly 423 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: loomed large in the White House briefing as Press Secretary 424 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: Jen Saki was asked about President Biden's stand on this 425 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: as of course, a man of God, a Catholic, this 426 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: is how it went. Why does the president's support abortion 427 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: where his own Catholic faith and teacher's abortion is morally wrong. 428 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: He believes that it's a woman's right, it's a woman's body, 429 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: and it's her choice. Born truck. He believes that it's 430 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: up to a woman to make those decisions, and up 431 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: to a woman to make those decisions with her doctor. 432 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: I know you've never faced those choices, nor have you 433 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: ever been pregnant. But for women out there who have 434 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: faced those choices, this is an incredibly difficult thing. President 435 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: believes their right should be respected. Go ahead, and I 436 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: think I got to move on. I think we have 437 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: to move on. You've had plenty of time today. Go ahead, Wow, 438 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: And so we bring in the panel Bloomberg political contributors 439 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, Genie Chanzano with us for the hour. Genie, 440 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: what do you do with that? This is the first day, uh, 441 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: that this has been in effect with the Supreme Court ruling, 442 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: this is going to start snowballing. We just talked about 443 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: infrastructure potentially falling apart with Joe Manchin. This becomes a 444 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: bigger issue all the while. How does the White House? 445 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: How does the Democratic leadership in Washington handle it? You know, 446 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: we knew abortion was going to be a huge issue 447 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: this fall, as the Supreme Court had already taken that 448 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Mississippi case that challenges abortion or asks for the overturning 449 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: of row Um. I don't think many of us predicted 450 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: this Texas case coming up so quickly and bringing it 451 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: to the forefront forefront, but that has certainly happened, and 452 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: it raises, you know, a real challenge, not just for 453 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: the White House. UM and I think that Jensaki handled 454 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: those questions very well, but it raises I think questions 455 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: for Congress. What do they do? You talked about the 456 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: Women's Health Protection Act. Another novel approach is for them 457 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: to try to remove the courts appellate jurisdiction, which they 458 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: can do and haven't done for many, many years, but 459 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: they could do that. So Congress does have some options 460 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: because what we're starting to see in the United States 461 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: is that the party out of power, Republicans who are 462 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: out of power at the federal level, have an enormous 463 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: outsize power at the state level, and they are using 464 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: it in many ways, not only on abortion, but on 465 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: voting rights and other things. That means that Washington, both 466 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: Congress and the White House has to step up, and 467 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: I think Democrats in the White House and Congress are 468 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: prepared to do that, but it's going to be difficult 469 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: to pass that legislation, the Women's Health Protection Acts, it's 470 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: called jen Psaki was asked about that too. He does 471 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: intend to talk with them about this um so I 472 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: can't I can't tell you exactly when that will be, 473 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: but that he has every intention to do that. I 474 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: will note that Speaker Pelosi also put out a statement 475 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: about the intention to bring up the codification of Row 476 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: for a vote, which is something the President certainly supports 477 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: and would it be eager to sign into law. Asked 478 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: if President Biden had spoken with Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer 479 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: about this, Rick Davis, we're talking about really sensitive stuff, right. 480 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: This is the third rail issue. It has been for 481 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: over a generation. I'll probably get dinged on Twitter for this, 482 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: just for talking about it out loud. But this is 483 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: our job here, this is what we do, and it's 484 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: not going to get easier for the White House. What 485 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: if you were in that position as a press secretary 486 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: taking questions on this. It's it's such a personal matter, Rick, Yeah, 487 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: it's a personal matter. But I think that she accelerated 488 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: the personal side of it rather than trying to keep 489 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: it focused on a public policy debate. Look, we've never 490 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: reconciled this issue in the public domain. Uh. It's divided 491 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: our country, as you say, for a generation. But I 492 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: think we've got to be careful not to, you know, 493 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: get too defensive on it. Um. Look, I mean the Pope, 494 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: who guides Catholics all around the world has really made 495 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: this a very big issue, especially in Europe. But the 496 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: President has taken criticism, as have other Democrats who are Catholics, uh, 497 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: for not reconciling themselves on on this issue of abortion. 498 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: And so it's a legitimate question. Um to then throw 499 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: it back on you know, like, um, well, if you're 500 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: not a woman, you can't have a point of view 501 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: on this was a little bit I thought harsh, But look, 502 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: this is a White House that's under siege, right. Think 503 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: about the week they've had, Um, you know, I mean 504 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: the defensive nature of the President's speech on Afghanistan trickled 505 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: down throughout the staff. Um. You know, they've got a 506 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: hurricane now that is uh destroyed uh people's lives all 507 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: through the country, right and and and that was uh 508 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: something that they've had to deal with. It will be 509 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the topic tomorrow. But they've also got the border crisis 510 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: that's been ongoing, you know, the public school debate, um, 511 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: vaccine hesitancy. I mean, all these topics are every single 512 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: day crisis is within the White House, and they're just 513 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: going to have to find a way to be able 514 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: to manage sue them without getting so defensive, because otherwise 515 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: I think they're going to continue to make their world 516 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: smaller rather than create more influence around the country. So 517 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: what's the strategy than Rick Again, if you're in if 518 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you're in the press office, getting ready for that briefing tomorrow, 519 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: you're talking to the president. How do we communicate our 520 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: position on this? What should it be? Yeah, Look, they 521 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: control a huge federal government with lots of resources. Right. 522 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: We saw what they could do when they mobilized a 523 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: campaign on the infrastructure bill. Right, you had cabinet members 524 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: hitting the countryside. Um. And and you'll notice a decidedly 525 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: sort of withdrawing of all that activity. Uh. You know 526 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks, and and and by 527 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: the way, partly because of what we're seeing in the 528 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: White House, you've got eroding public public polling data on 529 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: the president's job approval. Um. It's it's he was plus 530 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: twelve on job approval three months ago and now he's 531 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: minus ten percent. I'm it's a huge twenty point swing, 532 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: uh in in just three months. So Uh, they've got 533 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: to mobilize the resources they have in the federal government. 534 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: It's enormous. They can do it. They have the skill 535 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: sets inside the White House to do that. But but 536 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: right now I see them becoming sort of bunkerd in Ginie. 537 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: You are a complimentary about the way Jensaki uh kind 538 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: of disarmed that reporter. But but the president is going 539 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: to have to talk about this at some point, and 540 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: when he starts talking about controversial issues, starts picking reporters, 541 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: the back and forth starts, things can get uh, well, 542 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, out of hand pretty quickly. How do you 543 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: advise Joe Biden to talk about this issue as a Catholic? 544 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: I think he should focus on the facts. And the 545 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: facts are that Texas has passed a law which says 546 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: that you cannot get an abortion after six weeks, even 547 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: in the case of rape and incest. Most women don't 548 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: even know they're pregnant at six weeks. I think he 549 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: can focus on the facts of how draconian this law is, 550 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: and how as Rick is talking about polls, most moderate Americans, 551 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: most Americans as overall, don't support those kinds of draconian measures. 552 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: And the other reality of this is that if Texas 553 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: passes this law, the impact is going to be on 554 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: poor women who can't afford to go over the border 555 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: and get an abortion. He should focus on that fact 556 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: as well. And it's not just the White House under siege, 557 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: it's also the Supreme Court. John Roberts joining with the 558 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: liberals because he's an institutionalist and he knows if the 559 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court makes a case on abortion, overturning row as 560 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: they are going to be faced with doing potentially in 561 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: this Mississippi case coming down the pike. They can be 562 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: back at the times of losing their legitimacy like they 563 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: were with dread Scott, like they were knocking down the 564 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: New Deal and Cora Matsu. That's a dreadful position for 565 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to be in. So I think Joe 566 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: Biden can focus on the facts here, and the facts 567 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: are on his side, leaving aside his his religion in 568 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: the private matter of how he chooses to practice his religion. 569 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: Rick Jensaki was also asked about the makeup of the 570 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: court and a study that's going on right now that 571 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: is soon to be concluded that the administration is looking 572 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: at in terms of the makeup of the court. They're 573 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: talking about term limits, all kinds of things. Does this 574 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: prompt Joe Biden to try to add justices? You know, 575 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: it's been hotly debated, especially by the Progressive and his party, 576 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: and and and he's gonna probably face a reconciliation of 577 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: that at some point in time. But but if you 578 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: if you try to pack the court, you're gonna involve 579 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: a lot of other topics. It's far more ranging than 580 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: than the abortion topic that that's discussed today. I mean, 581 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: this state law is going to see the light of 582 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: day when it comes to legal challenges. U. The court 583 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: gave a avenue for it to be uh challenge UH 584 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: once it goes into effect. But the reality is that 585 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: the minute you start breaking open big topics like court packing. UM, 586 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: I think moderates in his own party start to run 587 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: for the hills. And that's the thing. How do you 588 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: keep that crazy coalition of moderate Democrats who are causing 589 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: trouble for his administration on things like infrastructure and reconciliation 590 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: uh in line with a progressive group who frankly have 591 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: had their way with this administration for the first you know, 592 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: eight months of the year. And uh and and how 593 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: do you how do you broker that compromise within euro Party? 594 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Republicans can sit on the sidelines right now 595 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: and just sort of watch this happen and think, you know, 596 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: we can bide our time until the midterms. What do 597 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: you think about this? Genie? Joe Biden, the candidate, was 598 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: asked about that almost every day on the campaign trail. 599 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: He was and you know, I think he is facing pressure. 600 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: I I don't think court packing is necessarily the way 601 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: to go. I advocate a more novel approach of removing 602 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: the Court's jurisdiction when it comes to these appellate issues. 603 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: I think that is something Congress hasn't tried. But I 604 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: also want to just go back and and be realistic 605 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: about what the Court said, And you talked about this earlier, 606 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: which is they did even in that one paragraph unsigned order, 607 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: they said the providers had raised serious questions regarding the 608 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: constitutionality of the law, and they did not side with 609 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: either side. So I think there is still a little 610 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: bit of hope here for people who think this law 611 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: may not withstand should it come up again. And I 612 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: also would point to what John Roberts had to say, 613 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: was he said, this is such a novel question and 614 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: the way that they've gone about this taking the States 615 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: essentially out of it, that he would have stopped it 616 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: for those reasons. So I think there are other sort 617 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: of great signs here, if you will, on what the 618 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: Court may do. Bloomberg Political contributors Genie Chanzano, Rick Davis, 619 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: Thanks as always as we round out another Bloomberg Sound 620 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: on the Fastest Hour in politics. Do we get another 621 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: layer tomorrow? We will get the jobs report in the morning. 622 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it with the Labor Secretary. But don't 623 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: forget the Friday news dump looms. I'm Joe Matthew. This 624 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg.