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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.

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Speaker 2: I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to thank you for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Hope this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith. Hope

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Speaker 1: it gives you.

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Speaker 2: Perspective to see God is moving in your life.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the message.

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Speaker 2: Last week we met an interesting character. Does anyone remember

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Speaker 2: his name? Yeah, Cleo. We call them Cleo. The Bible

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Speaker 2: calls them Cleopus, but we're friendly with Cleo.

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Speaker 1: And so we gave him a nickname.

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Speaker 2: And we were surprised that we have never met him before.

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Speaker 2: And he's the first one that Jesus appears to. Well,

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Speaker 2: I should give you a little bit more context than that.

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Speaker 2: The women went that morning, because sometimes women have more

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Speaker 2: faith than men do. They have the ability to feel

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Speaker 2: God in ways. You know, men, when you get men

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Speaker 2: to worship, it's like a miracle. Women will lift their hands.

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Speaker 2: They just don't really have a problem coming into the

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Speaker 2: presence of God. Sometimes a woman will have the kind

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Speaker 2: of persistence and patience with a child.

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Speaker 1: I thought y'all would back me up right here. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to give some some love to the women.

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Speaker 2: But they went to the to remember to anoint Jesus's body,

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Speaker 2: but his body wasn't there. And in some ways I

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Speaker 2: guess it was an indictment that they thought he would

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Speaker 2: still be there when he told them I'm getting up

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Speaker 2: on the third day.

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Speaker 1: They didn't really believe that.

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Speaker 2: Even though they were sentimental, they had not yet experienced

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Speaker 2: that kind of supernatural resurrection power that enables you to

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Speaker 2: know that even if it seems dead, was dead, is dead.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to stay dead. That's what resurrection tells me.

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Speaker 2: That's why our logo is a church is a Neon logo,

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Speaker 2: a Neon arrow pointing upward to let you know that

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Speaker 2: wherever your life is today, Loff can lift you. Whatever

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Speaker 2: pit you've fallen into. Loff can lift you, whatever time

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Speaker 2: you've lost, whatever years you've wasted. Love can lit you

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Speaker 2: whatever fear has held you down.

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Speaker 1: Up until this point. The grave is empty, he is risen,

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Speaker 1: and we're going somewhere, going somewhere.

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Speaker 2: So the women come to annoying his body, but his

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Speaker 2: body isn't there.

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Speaker 1: Somebody say, it isn't there.

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Speaker 2: I feel excited today God's going to set somebody free.

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Speaker 2: I feel it in every fiber of my being. God

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Speaker 2: is going to set somebody free today. Yeah, yeah, his

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Speaker 2: body wasn't there. And okay, so his body isn't there,

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Speaker 2: So he's up out of the grave.

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Speaker 1: Where is he? Well, he kind of appears throughout the day.

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Speaker 2: But I want to go back to where can I

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Speaker 2: pick up where I left off last week?

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. If you weren't here, I'll bring

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Speaker 1: you in.

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Speaker 2: So he walks with Cleo in this unnamed companion some

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Speaker 2: scholar speculated could have.

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Speaker 1: Been his wife.

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Speaker 2: The text doesn't say that. The text doesn't give us

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Speaker 2: the other name because sometimes it's not about you. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't about revealing who the other person was. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: even about Cleo. And Jesus is sneaking up behind two

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Speaker 2: travelers who are disappointed and discouraged. Because God doesn't need

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Speaker 2: for you to be happy to do work in your heart. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't just hang out with people who pretend like

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Speaker 2: but in many ways he has crushed because his expectation

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Speaker 1: It crushed Cleo.

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Speaker 2: And Jesus comes alongside the one who has crushed and

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Speaker 2: the place where the promise will fall toward an unknown place.

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Speaker 2: Well it's unknown today. They knew where it was at

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Speaker 2: the time, but it was so insignificant in that day.

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Speaker 2: Because God doesn't just show up in big places and

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Speaker 2: appear too important people. He might show up and speak

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Speaker 2: to somebody in the back of the room, somebody in overflow,

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Speaker 2: there in a hospital bed. He goes to this village

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Speaker 2: awesome if Jesus himself preached to you. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know I'm pretty good, Stacy, But imagine so, y'all, you're

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Speaker 1: He just starts talking and he asks him a question.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen before before God gives you the answers, sometimes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is it good? Mighty quiet in this church today?

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Speaker 2: He shaved his head, looking like a UFC fighter, looking

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Speaker 2: But he goes for a walk and hey, what you're

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Speaker 2: talking about? And and they tell him about their disappointment

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Speaker 2: and he can handle it, doesn't chase them away.

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Speaker 1: They tell them about their doubt and he can handle it.

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Speaker 2: And that's revolutionizing me because I thought I had to

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Speaker 2: have faith for God to meet with me. But I'm

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Speaker 2: growing to understand that maybe maybe God's presence is most

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Speaker 2: powerful when I get honest about my doubt, get honest

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Speaker 2: about my pain, and seek him even still, maybe that's

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Speaker 2: where I learned the most.

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Speaker 1: When it doesn't go the way I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: The detours, the details, the dead ends, the detours.

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Speaker 1: Remember we said we want to see him in three D.

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Speaker 2: So here's the Son of God walking with two travelers

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Speaker 2: away from the destination. I'm supposed to be on that

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Speaker 2: stage right now, but we're walking the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: And as we're walking. As we're walking, he's.

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Speaker 2: Talking and he explains to them all about himself. The

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Speaker 2: and he talks about Maybe I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know exactly what he said.

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Speaker 2: Passover Lamb that Moses had the people prepare to celebrate

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Speaker 2: of sin. Now they're hearing about the Passover Lamb, but

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Speaker 2: they don't know that they're standing with the passover Lamb.

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Speaker 2: They won't recognize that right now, because usually you only

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Speaker 2: recognize the full extent of what God was doing in reverse.

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Speaker 2: So while you're on the road, you might not see it.

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Speaker 2: But they keep walking. Touch somebody say keep walking, and

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Speaker 2: Jesus is just talking, and they like his teaching and

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Speaker 1: In what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: You know how I know because when they got to

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Speaker 2: where they were going, the Bible says it was a

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Speaker 2: seven mile journey, and that's why we're calling it seven

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Speaker 2: seven last statements that Jesus made on the cross that

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Speaker 2: all seven miles. He went with them all the way

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Speaker 2: to stay there long. God will meet you where you are,

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Speaker 2: but he won't.

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Speaker 1: Leave you there. How good is this already?

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Speaker 1: This is the introduction. I got to my topic yet.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'll get you out on time. But I

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Speaker 1: got something to say today.

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Speaker 2: And as they walk, his words interested them. But when

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Speaker 2: starts where you are, but where it ends.

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Speaker 1: Depends on you.

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Speaker 2: And you decide whether you want your relationship with God

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Speaker 2: to just be some superstitious thing or whether you want

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Speaker 2: it to be something so real that you fully surrender

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Speaker 2: the operating system.

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Speaker 1: Write that down.

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Speaker 2: The Cross is my operating system.

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Speaker 1: It is not an addition. It is not an accessory.

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Speaker 1: It is not an app. It is the new way

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Speaker 1: that I do. What I do.

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Speaker 2: Whatever I do, it doesn't just change what I do

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Speaker 2: on Sunday morning. It matriculates into my Monday, it transforms

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Speaker 2: my Tuesday. It works on Wednesday, it comes through on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I follow him on Friday, and I'm still saved on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Because he's the god of all seven miles. How many

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Speaker 2: have decided I'm going all the.

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Speaker 3: Way with Jesus he began a could work with me,

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Speaker 3: will be faithful to complete it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not stopping where I started.

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Speaker 2: Who touch somebody say, I'm going all the way, all

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Speaker 2: eat something? Clio said, Man, we didn't really plan on

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Speaker 2: last week is that while look at verse thirty of

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Speaker 2: Luke twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I love this. This resurrection Sunday. Every day is Resurrection Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Every day is Easter at elevation.

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Speaker 2: A miracle can break out in any heart, at any time,

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Speaker 2: in any circumstance, in any grave. And so he sits

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Speaker 2: the Bible says, while he was at the table. Because remember,

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Speaker 2: they're interested in who he is, but they don't yet

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Speaker 1: It's cool.

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Speaker 2: You're not committed yet, but you're curious. You're like, that

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Speaker 1: He meets you where you are right and he sits

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, the son of God, has time for a

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Speaker 1: Bible says, he just starts taking over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you've you've heard before that God is a gentleman,

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Speaker 2: and he won't come in if he's not invited.

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Speaker 2: But once you let him in, he takes over. Be

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Speaker 2: ready for that. He takes over. He says, down, he

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Speaker 2: he gave thanks. So Mary taught him manners. Okay, said

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Speaker 2: that perhaps the reason they saw his presence when he

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Speaker 2: not only that he broke the bread like they broke

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Speaker 2: his body, but that when he gave it to them

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Speaker 2: in Jewish custom, the bread was broken like this and

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Speaker 2: given like this, and they saw where he was wounded,

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Speaker 2: lets me know that sometimes the power of an example

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Speaker 1: He walked with them seven miles.

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Speaker 2: He walked with them for the entirety of their journey,

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Speaker 2: and what his words could not show them they saw

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Speaker 2: in his wounds. Graham was listening to this sermon, and

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Speaker 2: How do you know, because he was pointing out to

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Speaker 2: When they saw the hands, they realized, this is not

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Speaker 2: See, it killed me, but I didn't stay dead. It

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Speaker 2: I'm not ashamed to show my scars. Christianity is not

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