WEBVTT - Ep. 78: The First Mate Of Irish Spring 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.000 But then I remembered I was walleye fishing and had 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.639 it in a walleye, I'd have felt nothing, just sudden 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:12.959 dead weight on the end of the line, and when 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.239 I hit it, before I knew it, the boat was 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.799 being thrown onto the embankment. It happened at a second, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.400 but it felt like an eternity. The first man who 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.360 was yelling at them, swearing, slapping the rod out of 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.920 their hands. Uh, frankly, he was just a dick. Put 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:36.239 it together, idiots, I'm broke. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.479 welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that spot burned its 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.280 own streaming services by stupidly giving its Netflix password to 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.879 that one broke friend it thought it could trust. I'm 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.440 Joe Surmeli and I made in Samac And you have 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.280 other broke friends, man, because I asked multiple times for 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.520 the Netflix pass, where you just straight out refused to 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.080 give it to me. Ob yeah, I must have other 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.840 broke friends because I did not give it to you. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.200 Um No, if I was gonna send you something to 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.440 thwart your poorness, it would be a better cordless drill perhaps, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.800 or I knew this was gonna come up for anyone 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.240 who doesn't know what we're talking about. I posted like 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.520 an i G story where I shared a tackle hack 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.479 about using a drill to spool tip up lines fast. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.160 You're just connected to the top of like the spinner 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.600 that holds your flag and you can just with that 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.640 ship around instead of using like a one to one 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.319 gear ratio, like you know whatever. And uh. Instead of 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.920 people saying, wow, thank you for the tip, that's like 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.240 really helpful, all I got was, why are you using 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.920 that shitty Walmart house brand drill? Put it together? Idiots, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.000 I'm broke, dude, Like, oh he's broke. Oh he doesn't 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.440 have an expensive drill. Yeah. Man, I couldn't believe it. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.800 People were hitting me up about it. Like one guy 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.040 was like he said he copied the picture, was like, yo, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.040 come get your boy. Um. But there is a lesson 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.320 there that that I've learned, that being you have to 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.080 give thought to everything in the periphery of your social 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.240 media post because that's what people see. Dude, Like I 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.280 posted a picture of me and my garage not long 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.160 ago to promo UM. Some some of the new mediator 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.840 fish wet shirts and dudes are like looking at the 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.560 rack of jackets way behind me, like you can't even 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.280 make them all out, And they're like, is that one 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.800 with the yellow and gray sleeve of Cabella's wind dropper 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.240 from two thousand nine? And I'm just I'm like, but 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.080 also I'm like, yeah it is damn you know, so 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.200 people do people look at everything? Yeah, well, I think 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.320 I'm gonna make smarter decisions about that going forward. And 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.680 the guy who the guy who ripped on me hardest 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.640 about the drill, was like, Bro, I mean, I'll send 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.720 you a good power drill. Okay, bro, send me one 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.079 d me. I'll give you my ship, send me like 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.200 a three drill. Man, I'm about it. You should send 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:51.720 him your ship. I would take him up on it. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.839 But actually, the tip you gave was a great tip. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.000 So I hope some people also appreciate the tip you provided. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.560 Since it is ice fishing season and I'm I'm I'm 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.239 just kidding, just kidding, that's what we do. But it 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:04.880 is ice season, and you know, I was thinking we 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.800 talked plenty about ice last week. I thought I'd changed 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.400 things up a bit, because even if you're doing a 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.400 ton of ice fishing, winner I think is still kind 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.960 of couch trip in season right, um, And I believe 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.160 I've mentioned on the show before that you know, I'm 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.239 not much of a TV viewer, but if I am 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.760 watching TV, it tends to be a documentary or a 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.560 documentary series. So U you know, I'm curious, right, do 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.960 you have a favorite fishing related documentary? And I'm not 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.799 talking about a movie like A River runs through it, 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.120 I'm talking you know docs. Yeah, it would be live 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:41.080 this stream the story of Joe Humphreys. Great choice that 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.720 that is a fantastic documentary. Well, I'll tell you what 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.720 when when I uh, when I initially decided to watch 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.320 it was actually right when the pandemic was going down. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.640 I think it had just was it like just released 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.160 then or was that just when I got to it. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.360 I don't remember exactly, but I feel like that timing 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.480 is probably accurate. It was something like that. Yeah, you know, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.520 I wanted to watch it, and I was worried that 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.480 it was going to be like a super low budget 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.320 like you know sort of thing, and it's not. Man, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.840 it is just a good no matter what your taste, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.000 it is a good documentary fisherman or not. Um. And 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.920 for anybody who doesn't know who Joe Humphreys is one 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.800 shame on you but too. He was the fly fishing 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.640 instructor at Penn State for a bunch of years. He 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.440 developed a whole bunch of techniques, particularly like tightline nymphing techniques, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.920 and he's written tons of books to that end. And 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.360 he's just an all around, like really good guys a 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.320 lot of folks role model. And that documentary is so 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.599 much more than like the profile of an angler because 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.400 his life story is super interesting as well. H Yeah, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.880 did I teared up watching it? Like I got a 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.600 little emotion, And that's saying a lot considering I've watched 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.800 hundreds of fishing documentaries, right, and none of them have 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.360 ever made me tear up, But that documentary, Um, it's 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.200 also cool for me because it was Joe that, in 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.919 a roundabout way, got me to explore were the Limestone 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.000 Spring creeks in Central pre A. I saw him in 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.560 a VHS video in high school fishing on Penn's Creek 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.600 and my buddy and I went like, holy sh it, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.360 that's not that far away. So in a way, Joe 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.440 Humphries was sort of the reason I took my first 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.159 ever fishing road trip. Um, you had mentioned this before. Yeah, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.000 like I said, I idolized the guy. You said he 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.720 was a role model. He he was one of mine 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.119 early on learning to fly fish. Um, it's funny because 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.800 you know he's he's pretty old dude now, but he's 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.440 still like super super with it and walking around the 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.919 fly shows. And and just two years ago at the 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.880 fly show in Jersey, I bumped into him and he 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.440 certainly doesn't know who I am, but I told him 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:37.919 that story. Like he was sitting in a chair and 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.800 I was just like waiting in line for something. I 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.159 was like, hey, Joe, you know you're the reason and 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.240 and like doesn't know me from Adam. He was so tickled, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.320 stood up, shook hands, put a hand on my shoulder, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.280 and he's just like so nice. You just want to 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.360 hang out with that guy all day. Like he's got 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.880 to be amazing to fish with him. You know. Yeah, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.800 I I've met I've met Joe Humphries a handful of times, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.720 mostly at Edison. And the first time I ever met him, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.599 I was like it was like fourteen or fifteen or 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.080 something like that. And one of my dad's friends who 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.240 was more into fly fishing than my dad. Uh, my 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.480 father set me up with this dude, Wally, and he 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.360 was like, hey, let's go, uh, let's go to this 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.479 Edison show. So me and while he went to the show, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.120 and I wanted to get something for my dad, and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.120 so I picked a really nice net and I sought 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.760 out Joe Humphries because I had seen like a bunch 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.719 of people kind of congregating around him, and I was like, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.560 you know, like I said, I was fourteen fifteen, I 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.839 didn't exactly know who he was, but I knew that 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.760 he meant a lot to a lot of people. So 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.719 I went and I spoke with him and I said, hey, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.640 you know, I got this net for my dad, would 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.560 you mind signing the handle of it? And you know, 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.400 Joe Humphries obviously like super gracious and he was like, yeah, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.640 of course, Like I'll sign it for you. He ended 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.000 up talking to me a bunch and uh and I 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.080 gave that net to my dad and I think he 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:01.280 lost it, like immediately, that dude, that's a bummer. That's 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.039 a bummer. Yeah. I actually wrote Joe a letter years 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.520 before that, that last encounter, and he sent me a fly. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.800 It's a long story, but like I took it out 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.440 on the stream and like lost it immediately. I'm like, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.560 why did I fish that? Joe Humphreys tied that. Anyway, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.200 this I'd be interested to know. Now, what is your 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.400 favorite fishing documentary? Yeah, so Live the Stream fantastic, like 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.520 top three for me. But my my all time favorite 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.720 fishing documentary is called Gotham fish Tails and it was 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.480 made by Robert Moss, who, as far as I know, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.920 has has never really done anything else. He's not like 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.240 some big fishing filmmaker. Um. And it was released all 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.640 the way back in two thousand three. And what he 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.200 does is he just follows recreational and commercial fishermen from 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.080 all walks of life around New York City. Like there's 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.960 no narration, he's not he doesn't really play a host. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.760 There aren't any really, there aren't really any like traditional interviews. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.560 The whole thing just moves on unscripted audio from each character. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.200 And frankly, um, you were you were saying you were? 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.320 Would be your favorite documentary. It's so insane, very like 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.400 d A. Pen and Baker. You know, Yeah, I don't know, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.400 I have no idea, but I'll take the word Bob 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.800 Dylan documentary the same type of thing. Yeah, it's it's 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.120 just very it's like frankly, it's cheaply made right, it's 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.880 not flashy, but it just does such an incredible job 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.600 of capturing who these people are and what it means 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.600 to be an angler in and around New York City, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.560 and how the fishing community, both recreational and commercial, has changed. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.600 And I have just always loved it. It's basically an 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.200 hour plus of of Bob the garbage Men, like multiple 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.520 bomb the garbage Man's and one thing here, I will 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.520 do one clip. Listen to this. This bridge is real 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.040 productive late in the fall. I mean, you could call 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.240 me it's still flu you're going out of side. You 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.520 get some nice big sea bass. You got you flowers 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.000 and you went to time. And that guy, that guy 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:50.679 up there, it takes some nice keep up bass in 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.360 the full. He's always up here. He gets at least 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.280 one a week. Tuesday, I had over, I'm serious, but 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.480 I only kept that seven. You only allowed to keep six. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.960 You know, I've been fishing for about twenty years in 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.360 New York and we generally have a good time. You know, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.960 we have a better time of course if you catch fish, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.760 but even if it don't, we still have managed to 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.520 have a good time for me. It's like psychological therapy 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.120 for me to be out here next to the sea. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.400 All right, Well, I was skeptical at first, but this 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.120 sounds kind of right up my alley. Uh two questions. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.520 Is it on Netflix? And if so, may I have 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:31.720 your password? No? And no, it is not on Netflix. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.160 A matter of fact, it's not on any streaming service 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.480 i'm aware of. You can you can still buy it 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.840 from Amazon on DVD. I don't know if anyone does 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.920 that anymore. And I still have my DVD because that's 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.679 how I found it. It It ended up on my desk 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.040 when I was at Saltwater Sportsman, like my my very 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.720 first year in the industry, and I reviewed it. But 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.720 I can tell you it is currently on YouTube in 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.679 full now you know how it goes with stuff like that. Right. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.040 How long it will be there, I don't know because 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.480 I always assume it's pirated, you know, somebody ripped the 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.160 d and threw it up there. But as of this recording, um, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.520 it's there, so you can go check it out. Okay, So, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.000 folks listening, there's two for you to watch this winner, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.559 But we're about to clue you into something else. You 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.800 might want to watch, and we're going to learn all 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.240 about it in this week's installment of Smooth Moves. Now, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.520 usually we we have like captains and guides come on 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.120 to provide reality checks about their clients. But this week 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.760 we've got none other than the Mike I Canelli dropping 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:34.720 in to provide a little reality check on himself. Why 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:42.160 why did joining us for Smooth Moves. We've got our 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.120 old buddy Mike, Ike and Nelly here this week. It's 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.920 been a while. What's going on? Mike? How are you guys? 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.680 Good man? How's how's Winner treating you? Why do's treating me? Good? 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.880 Our legs froze up right after Christmas, so I've been 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.880 sort of locked up for a little bit. But here's 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.480 the good news. The season starting in a few weeks. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.839 I'm head at the Florida. It's gonna be warm, I'm 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.800 gonna catch It's gonna be great. Good for you man, 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.360 So we don't live too far apart. Do you have 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.280 good ice? Like could you walk on it? Or is 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.040 that like the crap ice we have up here? Crap ice? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.640 So it's just enough to stop you from doing anything 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.520 like really fun? Yeah, we have an amazing dog his 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.360 name is Quincy, and his my ice hester and the 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.600 dog has been cracking under his feet. So it's that 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.440 kind of ice that you just can't get out on yet. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.760 So it's kind of depressing. It's it's it's like a 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.680 purgatory time of year here. It's like there's not good 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.880 ice on the lakes, but then there's tons of ice 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.920 coming down the river here on the Delaware, so there's 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.520 like not much to do there either. I tried to 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.800 fish a few days ago and all the eddies that 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.240 are worth fishing were frozen over. The rest was wide open, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.120 but like all the zones were just completely frozen over. Um. Anyway, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.319 you're traveling, man, So you're going to Florida. That's cool. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.640 You've got some other stuff going on, one of those things, 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.480 you know, we wanted to talk about a little bit. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.120 You have a thing dropping neck week February eight on YouTube. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.679 What is going on? Man? What do you got cooking? Yes? 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.240 So I'm real excited about this one. It's um called 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.280 a docuseries. I don't even know what a hell a 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:16.040 docuseries is. But the team here that we work with, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.080 they convinced me to sit down. Over the course of 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.760 like two weeks and just lay it all out, my 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.600 life and my career, the state of the sport, the 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.760 battling leagues, all of it. And Wow, the last time 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.840 I did it was when I wrote the book, and 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:39.280 I forgot how freeing talking about something like that is. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.840 So I'm excited about it because this isn't a normal 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.840 you know, we're not out catching blue gil or catching sharks, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.320 and this is just a story about the sport, my 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:55.320 life where we're at now versus back in the nineties. Um, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.680 I'm excited about it. The interesting thing is one of 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.120 the league's which is s Angler Sportsman Society, the a 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.880 S s UH, really supported us on this project and 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.760 we've got some great original footage, some great original photos 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:15.480 in with this docuseries. And I'm excited something different. Yeah. Man, 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.160 I was gonna say, I feel like this is something 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.320 that's sort of long overdue, and I'm glad to see 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.079 that that you're doing it. Like um, you know, like 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.440 any sport, there's a lot of of of behind the 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.480 scenes stuff that I think the fans don't really understand. Um, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:29.840 but I guess you also sort of have to be 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.160 careful a little bit making a documentary like this, so 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.480 I feel like it could be a little bit edgy 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.200 and kind of kind of what the sport has been 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.120 been waiting for a little bit. I hope people like it. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.280 I mean, here's the deal. I I didn't throw anyone 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.160 under the bus, but I told the truth and I 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.880 think that's real and I think that's important. And you 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.160 hit it on the head. Um, when people look at 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.400 the sport from Afar, they're like, oh my god, they 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.120 put got these guys on a platform. They think they're magical. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.360 Here's the reality it for this. We're regular dudes like 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:07.760 everybody else. We got the same same problems, same issues. Um, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.680 so you're gonna hear on this. You're gonna I'm gonna 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.400 talk about depression. I'm gonna talk about addiction. I'm gonna 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:19.200 talk about divorce. Um, you're gonna hear what happened why 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.120 eighty of the best pros left bass? The real reason 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.320 you're gonna hear about it. Um, why I left Major 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.960 league fishing to come back to bass. You're gonna hear 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.320 about it. It's all true. That's exciting, man, I'm really 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.400 pumped for that. Now that's gonna be on your YouTube channel. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.080 But you say you don't know what a docuseries is. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.360 It's kind of what Netflix has been built on. That 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.640 to me sounds very like mainstream Netflix worthy. Man, you 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.040 know it might be. I hope people look at it 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.880 and they appreciate it. I did pour my heart out 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.680 on this one. It was interesting because, you know, Joe, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.680 like you, I'm I'm a Jersey guy, and I grew 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.000 up in an error when you're not supposed to have feelings, 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.520 You're not supposed to cry, you're not supposed to tell 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.840 the truth all the time. And this was one where 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.280 I sat down and I mean I got I got emotional. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.160 I teared up at points, I I got chills at points, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.120 remember and stuff. So it was a neat project. I 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.760 hope people like it. What's it called, Mike, It's called 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.840 Never Give Up. That was a stretch, right coming up 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.400 with that title. But I think everyone's life and everyone's 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.200 career you go through a bit of a roller coaster, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.080 and and when you're at the bottom, sometimes you don't 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.760 want to wait or you don't want to work to 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.360 get back up to the top. So, like I said, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.960 it's it's just it's a great story of the sport. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.240 More than anything and I hope people appreciate it. I'm 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:43.880 sure they will. Man, that's gonna be awesome. And it 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.880 sort of plays right into you the segment we're having 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.240 you on for here, so you're talking about this, this 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.040 this docuseries sort of showing you the reality and you 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:55.600 know how real you guys are so smooth moves, you know, normally, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.320 before we do that, Joe, before we do that, I'm 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.480 gonna start my own docuseries and it's going to be 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.360 called utting in a word edgewise with Joe Sph Mellie. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:07.480 One thing I wanted to say be a long documentary talk. Man. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.360 What I was gonna say is, you know, I've grown 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.320 up very much as like a recreational uh fisher, and 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.360 a document is that ILK even though like the pro 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.160 circuit in the tournament circuit has never really been something. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.800 It's been on like the periphery of a lot of 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.520 stuff that I've done, but it's never been anything that 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.120 I focused on personally. I think the way that you're 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.640 like approaching that is going to be super interesting not 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.880 only for people who are interested in the tournament scene, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.800 but just for people who wanted to know more about 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.800 the internal workings of an organization like that, and how 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.600 it relates to the people that you know, you end 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:46.280 up seeing on television. Yeah, I hope it does that. Um. Like, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.040 like I said, I'm here to tell you that pro 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.720 fishing is no different than any other profession or sport 0:16:54.240 --> 0:17:02.080 or occupation. There's politics, there's drama, there's heart, there's success, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.840 there's all that stuff. And you know, I'll even mentioned 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.879 other names. You know, guy, some of the best in 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.679 the world, right Rick Klein, Kevin Van Damn, Rowland Martin. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.120 These guys all dealt with the same stuff too, right there. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.080 They're not super humans. I mean, this is life and 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.480 it's it's an interesting look I think. Um, at this 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.000 stage in my career, even though I'm still tour fishing, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.720 even though I still have sponsors, I still have to 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:35.359 maintain that line. It was nice opening up and being honest, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.160 you know, again, without throwing anybody under the bus from 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.160 a name standpoint, It's felt very good to just say 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.640 this is how it happened. Yeah. Well, we we had 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.360 we had our buddies Carl and Brandon on the other day, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.600 and one of the things that Joe really kind of 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.880 brought up was the fact that everybody wants to thinks 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.760 they want to do this for a living, and and 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.760 and things, these certain things is about it. But one 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.600 thing that they don't consider is like the pressure and 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.040 and all that stuff that comes with it. And I 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.680 think it sounds like your doc series is like really 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.880 going to cover that. I'm super excited. Yeah, it's definitely. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.200 You look at both those guys, uh. You know, carl 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.600 And and Brandon are both probably the hardest working guys 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.600 out there. And I'm saying that for real. They're dark 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.240 to dark. They worked really hard. Their success shows. But 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.439 the interesting thing is carl and Brandon, we're always have 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.480 been branded as the nice guys. Very very early on, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.080 I got thrown under the bus is Bend the jerk 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:43.439 off of professional fishing, uh And, And I was okay 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.320 with that. I accepted that, right you know. ESPN did 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.159 an article and said I was the bad boy of 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.480 g Q did an article said I was the bad 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.720 boy of fishing. I'm not bad. I've already I've already 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.000 been in a street fight like once. I like any 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.080 but I accepted it, and I you know, I I 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.080 focused on what I thought was important and tried to 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.680 grow my fan base, and uh, I'm passionate about fishing, right, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.960 so in hindsight, all that stuff to help me. But 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.119 I really think they have it easier than I had it. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.399 Oh there you go, all right, all right, all right, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.560 well so we'll we'll we'll get into this story here again. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.879 This is perfect because we're talking about the behind the 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.240 scenes reality and if the street fight happen to have 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.520 anything to do with fishing, maybe that's your story today. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.879 Normally we have guides and captains on smooth moves to 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.920 you know, bitch about crazy things their clients have done. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.440 But um, you know, we want one from your personal history, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.560 just sort of one of those Holy sh it, I 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.480 can't believe I did that. Moments that that that makes 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.600 what you do real to the weekend Angler, and I 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.280 know you said you have tons of these, it's gonna 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.119 be hard to pick. Oh my god. If you guys 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.280 ever get bored and need material, please call me, because 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.400 I really did. We can do this every Tuesday. Money. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.720 I've got a little pile of thoughts over in the thousands. Uh, 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.520 that would fit this. But on the mike with Mike, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:11.000 I could by Uh, there's definitely been altercations and all 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:12.679 that stuff, and I got some of those stories, but 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.440 I sort of want to dip into the reality that, um, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:21.679 professional bass fishing is a very dangerous sport, right. You know, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.080 you look at like NASCAR, and it's very obvious, so 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.560 the dangers there. You look at football, you look at 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.840 those athletes, say, yes, I get it's very obvious. But man, 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.520 fishing is you know, it's one of those sports where 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.919 you don't know. And I'm gonna recall an incident that 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:42.240