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Speaker 1: What is going on? Man? What do you got cooking? Yes?

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424
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Speaker 1: remembers the noise of the branches breaking pure and and

425
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: the boat went up, went up, and it just about

426
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Speaker 1: got to the top and it and I mean it

427
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Speaker 1: literally stopped. And in my partner and I we felt

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Speaker 1: ourselves dult forward that it was the scariest besides the

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Speaker 1: car accident. It was the scariest thing I've ever been

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Speaker 1: involved in. And once we looked at my partner said,

431
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Speaker 1: are you okay? We're both okay? All right, If we're okay,

432
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Speaker 1: everything else's secondary. And I got out and started looking

433
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Speaker 1: at what's going on here, and I climbed to the

434
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Speaker 1: nose of the boat and look down, and that embankment

435
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Speaker 1: on the other sound went down a couple hundred feet

436
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Speaker 1: almost straight. Now, I mean we we came within twenty

437
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Speaker 1: ft of We came within a bass boat length of

438
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Speaker 1: going over that bank. It totally. So this was the

439
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: craziest thing. So the tournament's still gone on. I'm only

440
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Speaker 1: about halfway through the day. I'm looking around. I'm just

441
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Speaker 1: it's there's trees this wide, you know, to the left

442
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: and right of a giant, full size streets. And so

443
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Speaker 1: I've actually been up that river gar fishing. I can

444
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Speaker 1: picture it. It's it's windy and crazy and there's yeah, windy,

445
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Speaker 1: crazy cypress trees. Just it's a zoo and we're up

446
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Speaker 1: there and and and just by happenstance, this local comes

447
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Speaker 1: idle the pass and he's like, we're like hey, hey,

448
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: and and once we're no, we're safe. Right, my competitive

449
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: mode still goes on. So I'm looking at my watch,

450
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship, i still got like three hours. I

451
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: gotta catch a lima. So I'm like, hey, he's got

452
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Speaker 1: toe straps. And the craziest thing. So we toe hooked

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Speaker 1: the toe straps on the back of the eye and

454
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Speaker 1: he's pushing, pushing, can't get it out, keeps trying, keeps trying.

455
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Speaker 1: Finally the back of the boat comes off of that

456
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Speaker 1: wedge of that stump and it comes down the embankment,

457
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Speaker 1: just like a slipping slide, right in the water. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, my god, we're out, We're out. I hopped

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Speaker 1: back in the boat. My partner has back in the boat,

460
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Speaker 1: and I just know, I just know something's messed up.

461
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Speaker 1: And I start the outboard and it cranks over Yamaha,

462
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Speaker 1: sounds good. Idle back out to the main river, put

463
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Speaker 1: it on pad and I'm gone, And I got the

464
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Speaker 1: fish the rest of the day. Now, I didn't catch

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Speaker 1: my limit I wanted. I caught a few, but uh

466
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Speaker 1: as the reality right of of tournament fishing or those

467
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Speaker 1: those scenarios. And I've been in twelve foot waves in

468
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Speaker 1: a bass boat. I've had lightning crack around me. But

469
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Speaker 1: it is. It is a dangerous sport for all everybody

470
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Speaker 1: Washington listen and thinks it's not a dangerous sport. You're wrong.

471
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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear some more stories like that, and they

472
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Speaker 1: never give up docuseries. There's a lot of good ones.

473
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Speaker 1: In there. There's a lot of good ones. There's definitely

474
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Speaker 1: some of those altercations we talked about in there. Uh,

475
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: there's some really strange, bizarre stuff that's happened with fans

476
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: over the years. You're going to hear it all. It's

477
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Speaker 1: all true. So what was the takeaway from that from

478
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: that accident? Man? Like, did you tone it down after that?

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00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: You know, I toned it down a little bit that

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Speaker 1: next year, right, Like something like that happens, it's pretty

481
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Speaker 1: present in your mind, but I think the competitor in

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Speaker 1: me forced it out of my mind. And and and

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Speaker 1: you know now I'm still driving like a maniac like

484
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: I did then too. You know. Well, so you got

485
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: never give up even when you tell your little straight

486
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: up into the woods if you have to. As always, man,

487
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Speaker 1: we appreciate you stopping by, Mike Stoked for this. Everybody

488
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Speaker 1: listening in February eight next week check it out and

489
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk to you again down the road. Man.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, And if you ever need any a v

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Speaker 1: audio technical difficulty troubleshooting, call will So that last part

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Speaker 1: that that Mike close was with there where we was

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Speaker 1: talking about if we ever need him for a v

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Speaker 1: trouble shooting. He said that because it took him a

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Speaker 1: little while to get online with us, right, He's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not tech savvy. My wife, my wife Becky is

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Speaker 1: like his I T person and she was not home

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Speaker 1: and it was hysterical because he was getting frustrated, but

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Speaker 1: we weren't. I just I I enjoyed it very much.

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Speaker 1: Mike is always a good time And after we finished

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00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: recording with him, we talked a little bit about sports

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Speaker 1: docks uh in general, and how something like what he's

503
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: doing might just have the sort of the tow appeal

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00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 1: to folks outside of the fishing world, because I'm not

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Speaker 1: much of a sports guy really, like I really don't

506
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Speaker 1: care about about sports, but I still get sucked right

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Speaker 1: into a good sports dock. Um. Matter of fact, one

508
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Speaker 1: of our listeners pardon me for not remember exactly who

509
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: recommended one called Untold Crime and Penalties, which is about

510
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: the Dan Barry trash Ers hockey team, and holy sh it,

511
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: was it wild. Like you, you don't need to care

512
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: about hockey at all to get lost in that one.

513
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: So I appreciate a good sports stock. Yeah, yeah, man,

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00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: uh drink um. I really liked the last dance documentary

515
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan's The Bulls, and uh, I don't really

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00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: give a shit about basketball. Yeah, exactly, and that's why

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00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: something's transcend Yeah, that's that's what I hate to say.

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00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: I have not seen, but it's uh, it's in my

519
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: queue anyway. Maintaining my title as news dominator is also

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00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: in my queue. Your quiz was cute and all, but

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00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Phil clearly values proper journalism over gimmickry. So let's see

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Speaker 1: what kind of consolation prize Phil has for you this

523
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: week in fish News. Fish News. That escalated quickly, So man,

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00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: tell you what I am the still getting feedback from

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Speaker 1: listeners regarding the kids fishing limit that question we had

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00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: and how limits separation varies state by state. Um, those

527
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: are still rolling in. That is apparently touched a nerve.

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Speaker 1: People are sharing all so sick you're taking this. I'm

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Speaker 1: done talking too. But I I that's too bad, because

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Speaker 1: I got a note from a listener via d M

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Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say his name, but I just

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Speaker 1: thought I would share this and then we'll stop talking

533
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: about this. But I thought I would share this for

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00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: some perspective on a rule that, as we said, many

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00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: people might overlook. He says, about fifteen years ago, he

536
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: was fishing with his stepson in Virginia and at the time,

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Speaker 1: the smallmouth limit was five per person. They had kept

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Speaker 1: seven total between them, but put them on the same stringer,

539
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Speaker 1: and then at the ramp awarden checked them and asked

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Speaker 1: who's fish these were, and of course they were like, well,

541
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Speaker 1: these are ours, me and my stepsons. And he says, well,

542
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Speaker 1: they're on the same stringer, so you're over the limit.

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Speaker 1: Who's taking the ticket? Naturally, this guy didn't want his

544
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: steps on to get in trouble, so he took it.

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Speaker 1: And it was a hundred bucks for being over the

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Speaker 1: limit and twenty dollars for each fish over the limit.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say, all in all right, that's not the

548
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: worst fine I've ever heard of. But he says to

549
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: this day that violation is still on his record and

550
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: comes up like every time he applies for a job.

551
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: It has been a thing ever since. So it's just

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00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: something to think about there when you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: rule that's like, oh God, get real. Well yeah, got

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00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: real for him, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean that's um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That sounds like something that happened. Man,

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Speaker 1: I believe him. I'm sorry. Yeah, okay, well you don't care,

557
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: but I know that's that's fine. But it intrigued me

558
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Speaker 1: enough that I I I felt like, after this whole thing,

559
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Speaker 1: I had to know that the local rules UM, and

560
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: I started, I will say I started. I tried to

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Speaker 1: search it out on both in New Jersey and p

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Speaker 1: A Fish and Game websites, and I couldn't find anything.

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00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: So like, the answer online is not jumping out at you. UM.

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00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: I called p A. They were mega awesome and helpful,

565
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Speaker 1: and the lieutenant I spoke to you said, you know

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Speaker 1: you're actually you're not gonna find you know. Wording verbiage

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00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: to that explicitly says phish limits must be kept separate

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00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: or anything like that. UM, and everything would be case

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Speaker 1: by case, and these says, obviously, if you've got three

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Speaker 1: guys on a boat and they're filling a single cooler,

571
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, fishing game knows what's up, barring any funny

572
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: business like you know, one guy not having a license

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Speaker 1: for them being over a combined limit, you know they're

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Speaker 1: they're they're not gonna they're not gonna be hard line

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Speaker 1: about that. He says, where people get in trouble is

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Speaker 1: you catch your limit, your buddy catches his, you put

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Speaker 1: him on the same stringer, and your buddy runs out

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00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: to get a sandwich, you know. He says like, that's

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00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: when they get suspicious obviously, when it's just one guy

580
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: over the limit. So if you're not with the group

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Speaker 1: or with that buddy, then they're gonna ask you more questions.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds to me like, um, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: maybe that officer of Virginia, he might have been having

584
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Speaker 1: a bad day because I don't know. I I think

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Speaker 1: the listener that wrote in it he made an honest mistake,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, man, I'm really trying to stop saying yeah, man,

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00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: I know I've had multiple listeners suggest yeah man, t shirts. Okay,

588
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: you ask Garrett about that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so often

589
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: in you know, conservation offenses or like whatever you want

590
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Speaker 1: to call it, it really does seem like there is

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00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: a fair like margin of that law that's up to

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Speaker 1: the interpretation of the officer who's like potentially issuing like

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Speaker 1: the ticket or whatever. Yeah. Um, you know, I've personally

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Speaker 1: been out and my dad, you know, when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, forgot his license and officer came out and

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Speaker 1: was like, do you have your license? And my dad

597
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: was like, shoot, I don't have my license, and the

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00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: officer was like, all right, well, your kid can stay

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Speaker 1: here and keep fishing while you go run back to

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Speaker 1: the house and grab your license and come back right

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Speaker 1: and the end of it. Other times, like people can

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Speaker 1: be like super super hard line on stuff that might

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Speaker 1: that might surprise you, but I would be inclined to

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Speaker 1: agree that the dude was just having a bad day,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, And I mean rules are rules, not

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Speaker 1: condoning it, but just saying like that seemed like one

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00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: where if both people were there, it's like, come on now.

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Speaker 1: I also wanted to see what the scoop was in Jersey,

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Speaker 1: but unlike the fine folks in p A that loved

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Speaker 1: meat eater, I said who I was to the very nice,

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Speaker 1: monotone lady that answered the phone at the d P

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Speaker 1: office in Trenton, and she was like, yeah, okay, hold

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Speaker 1: for transfer, and then I just ended up in a voicemail.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know about New Jersey. You

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00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: guys are on your own out there anyway. Whoever wins

616
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: news today will be eligible to have Phil Taylor record.

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Speaker 1: Um his voicemail message on one of our phones. How

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Speaker 1: about this up for grabs? Phil will do one of

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Speaker 1: our voicemails. UM, yeah, yeah, I'm in for that. I'm kidding,

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Speaker 1: although I'm sure we could arrange you. Remember this is

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Speaker 1: a competition, Hayden and I do not know which news

622
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Speaker 1: story the other Chap is bringing to the table at

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Speaker 1: the end. There it is, there it is. Wait, hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold up. I mentioned in a listener email we were

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Speaker 1: talking about our our vocal ticks, like, for instance, I

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Speaker 1: say like and yeah man, and sometimes can't put a

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Speaker 1: thought together. And you, Joe you every now and again, man,

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00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: you fall into this like British uh, like you'll say, like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, you just said, Chap, I've heard you describe

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Speaker 1: things as not like, oh, that's brilliant, like in an

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Speaker 1: American way, like brilliant, like like that sort of accent.

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Speaker 1: I know, but the flourishes applied, man, or good on

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Speaker 1: you do that order bunch. Sorry, I just listener who

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Speaker 1: wrote in this is what I was talking about. Continue

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Speaker 1: listening that road in. I am more worldly and that's

636
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Speaker 1: all it is. I have friends all over the world,

637
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: and I enjoy international dialects. Damn it anyway, at the end,

638
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: our audio engineered the Mighty Phil will declare a winner.

639
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Speaker 1: And uh, it's it's your it's your lead this week,

640
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: old boy, what do you got for us there? So

641
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: thank you, Joe. So this story comes to us from

642
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: the Washington Post. It seems that Russia has underestimated a

643
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: bunch of Irish fishermen who don't want war games going

644
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: down and their fishing grounds. Boy, oh, man's got to

645
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: drag the Russians into this. So so, Russia had planned

646
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Speaker 1: on doing some naval exercises some a hundred and fifty

647
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: miles off Ireland's southern coast, which international law permits. There's

648
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: no like, it's not like any sort of like stepping

649
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: over a boundary. However, that would have put the Russian

650
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: war games inside of Ireland's exclusive economic zone. Joe, do

651
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Speaker 1: you know what exclusive economic zone is? Man? It's the

652
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: easy Yeah you know me so, Yeah, we've touched on

653
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: this before. An exclusive economic zone or easy is the

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Speaker 1: stretch of ocean that in general extends like two miles

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Speaker 1: off the coast of a nation to which that nation

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00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: has exclusive economic rights. Uh. The context in which we

657
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: touched on. It was the New England cod Fisheries, where

658
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: in the mid seventies the Magnussen Stevens Act claimed the

659
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: stretch of ocean extending two miles from the coast has

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00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: sovereign territorial waters, in order to decurb various forms of

661
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: overfishing by international vessels. Ye informations. Yes, um, so you're

662
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: you know some fun facts are coming up. Though nations

663
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: had been laying claims of varying dimensions to what they

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00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: considered their territorial waters. In two the u unformally adopted

665
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: two nautical miles as a standard. So interesting facts, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Prior to this, sovereign territorial waters were considered everything was

667
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Speaker 1: silvereign or sovereign. Are they different? Sovereign? Sovereign, sovereign, sovereign.

668
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: There I can go back and edit all the ups

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Speaker 1: if it is in fact sovereign. There's a good lad.

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00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: I hate you so interesting facts. Prior to this, these

671
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: territorial waters were considered everything within twelve nautical miles of

672
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: the coast, and prior to that everything within three miles

673
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: from the coast. The estimated maximum range of cannon fire.

674
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: How do you like that? That's pretty I didn't know

675
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: that because there's three mile rules for all sorts of things.

676
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was anything tied to cannon fire there.

677
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: That's yeah. So the twelve of the you know, the

678
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: twelve nautical miles was like modern times and like, you know,

679
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: the three nautical miles was when they were still firing

680
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: cannons at each other. Anyhow, well, I gotta say I'll

681
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: just add real quick, like I've been offshore in Jersey,

682
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: like way way out when the coast Guard is out

683
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: there drilling and dude, like they don't mess it, like

684
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: you're literally tunaficient and it's like, holy sh it, what

685
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: was that and they like detonate something in your life

686
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: damn sound wave just like it takes you off the deck.

687
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: But they're totally allowed to do that. It's very cool.

688
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: It's eerie, but it's cool. And we're gonna get to

689
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: that in a minute. Um. Anyhow, the War Games, a

690
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles off ireland southern coast would have

691
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: put the Russians fifty miles inside of Ireland's easy. Yeah,

692
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you know me. Yeah. Uh. There are two primary concerns

693
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: with this. One is the short term obvious. It's awfully

694
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Speaker 1: hard to fish with warships and artillery crowding up the

695
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: fishing grounds. There's nothing like by catching the form of

696
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: a Russian nuclear submarine. Not that commercial fishing off shore

697
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: it's particularly safe in the first place. Um. The second

698
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: concern is long term and slightly less obvious, human disruption

699
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: and impact on future quotas. Human disturbance can have negative

700
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: impacts on wildlife. Du right. But one thing biologists were

701
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: particularly concerned with in this case was noise pollution generated

702
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: by what are presumably not very quiet war games. Um.

703
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: There's another So this is another thing that we've touched

704
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: on in a previous fish News story when we discussed

705
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: shark nets and their alternatives a couple of months ago,

706
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: specifically drum lines, which, in case listeners don't remember, I

707
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: know you do, Joe, are strings of devices that produce

708
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: loud noises to deter sharks from frequenting an area. While

709
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: drum lines can alter the behaviors of sharks, that they

710
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: can also alter the behaviors of what I guess you'd

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00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: call non target species. Um. So bring it back to

712
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: war games in Ireland's e Z. Biologists are concerned that

713
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: the noise generated could alter the behaviors of marine life.

714
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: In turn, fishermen are concerned that once this unforeseen environmental

715
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: factor is taken into account by fisheries biologists, uh, the

716
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: war games will translate into reduced quotas for commercially sought

717
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: after fish down the line. So like, theoretically, I mean

718
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: like the impact could extend into next season. Now, if

719
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: you're worthy, you don't understand the entirety of that long

720
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: and confusing explanation of ease s and marine noise pollutions

721
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: impact on commercial fish quotas. Fear not, because it is

722
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: no longer a relevant piece of information going forward. Over

723
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: the weekend, Russia decided to relocate naval exercises to areas

724
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: presumably outside the easy as a gesture of goodwill. The

725
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: news was received with elation by all, including the very

726
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: predictably named Patrick Murphy, chief executive of the Irish South

727
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: and West Fish Producers Organization, who of the victory said

728
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: to the equally predictably named Irish CNN correspondent Donnie O'Sullivan,

729
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. Seriously, though, if you're interested, go check out

730
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: the interview. If you YouTube, Russia blinks CNN Irish fisherman.

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00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: That's what I did. You'll find it um is information

732
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: dence and explains more than just the essential details as

733
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: I've done here. They take you more through the how

734
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: than the why. Uh, you know, basically how. These fishermen

735
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: recognize that this was an issue, banded together and asked

736
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: Russia please don't blow shut up in our easy um

737
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: and and it and it goes to show what can

738
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: happen when folks who care about a resource get together

739
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: and you know, make an effort to protect it. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: it's it's very interesting couple of thoughts on it, right. One,

741
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Like Russia, if I'm not mistaken, owns pretty much the

742
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: biggest land mass in the entire world. Like y'all ain't

743
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: got enough ocean that you can just do this ship

744
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: in your part of the ocean. I don't. I don't

745
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: understand why we need to be all the way down

746
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: off Ireland unless it's just too cold. But it's also

747
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: funny because like here's a here's a group of commercial fishermen.

748
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: This is their livelihood, and they're complaining that Russian warships

749
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: might be too noisy for their fish. Meanwhile over here,

750
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: like our guys are complaining that wind farms might be

751
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: too noisy for their fish. And it's just a very

752
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: stark difference in problems there when you think about it.

753
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, so good on the Irish boys for to

754
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: disrupting or threatening to disrupt this, But good on you

755
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, these guys are I know, these guys are

756
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: out there like fishing for whiting and stuff, and like

757
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: you've got your little Irish commercial boat and they got

758
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: a nuclear warship. So you know that's a that's that

759
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: takes some brass to just try to We're talking about

760
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: the Russians, not the wind farmers. Again, it's very stark

761
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: what we're trying to disrupt here. Um. But anyway, I'm

762
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: glad that works out. That's one less Russian thing to

763
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: worry about. As of eight, at least the fishermen are okay.

764
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: Please enter your password. You have one unheard message your dog.

765
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: You borrowed my augar for that ice fishing article. Never

766
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: held the article you still I'm giving me back the

767
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: aug trying to get ahold answer your damn clone calling back.

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00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: End of message, delete press seven save deleted. So you

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00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: talked about commercial fishermen in Ireland. They're out there making

770
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: their living from the sea. Let's talk about how you

771
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: can make your money's right here in the good old

772
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: us of A by catching fish. So a bunch of

773
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: folks sent me this story, and I thank you all.

774
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: And they did it because it ties back to a

775
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: piece we covered many moons ago about a bounty that

776
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: was placed on the heads of brown trout in Arizona's

777
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Glen Canyon stretch of the Colorado River. Now, when that

778
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: story first dropped, the going rate was twenty five bones

779
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: for any brown trout over six inches, and we joked

780
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: at the time that all you meet chucker should just

781
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: quit your jobs and head out, since you know you're

782
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: all just brown trout slayers anyway, right, it seems perfect

783
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: quick update on that As of December, the pay has

784
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: been increased to thirty three dollars per brown trout and

785
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: an additional fifty dollars for each three brown trout, three

786
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: hundred bucks for each harvested brown UH containing a pit tag,

787
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: fived bonus for the largest brown at the end of

788
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: each month, five bonus for the most brown trout harvested

789
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: at the end of each month. So you can you

790
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: can uh or those pit tags are those the ones

791
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: that a um CAW did a video of a similar

792
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: bounty on rainbow trout, and I forget where it was,

793
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: but it's Snake River, I believe. Yeah, But it's a

794
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tag. It's not like one of

795
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: the like the transduce through tags or whatever you'd call them,

796
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: with the that are actually like outside the fish, like

797
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: the ones with like you know, about an inch long

798
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: with like a number on them. They're invisible and they're

799
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: put into the heads of the trout. And the reason

800
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: that they do that is so you must kill one

801
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: um to to find out whether or not that the

802
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: trout that you submitted has been tagged, because otherwise, like

803
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: you could catch a trout look at it, so, oh

804
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: this doesn't have the tag, and drop it back in

805
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: and let it go. Yeah. To be honest with you,

806
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not that familiar enough with the

807
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: program out there. I know they want the brown trout out.

808
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: So it seemed to me like, if you were collecting

809
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: brown trout to put pit tags in them, why wouldn't

810
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: you just not put those back either? Because it decentivises

811
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: more people to go try and find Yeah, it may

812
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: be as simple as that, and it sort of ties

813
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: to the main story here. Um. So look, here's what

814
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. You pummel that scene off fall and winter,

815
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: and then right around May you head up to the

816
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: Umbia River and complete your annual earnings chasing northern pike minnows. Now,

817
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: according to this story, this is the one you guys

818
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: sent from the Tri City Herald. One Washington angler earned

819
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: himself sixty one thousand dollars catching pike minnows in te

820
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: Um And now a portion of the annual pay out

821
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: for for Washington's pike minnah sport reward program is actually

822
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: furnished by the Bonneville Power Administration and in nearly seven

823
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars was paid out in total right for

824
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: this program. According to the story, that's actually down from

825
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: eight hundred and forty thousand and twenty. And what they

826
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: say is that's that's because, um, there were condition issues.

827
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: There was a lot of grass and debris in h

828
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: in the rivers during peak fishing times last year, which

829
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: slowed down catch rates and productivity. UM. Now, to keep

830
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: people out there fishing, Washington is offering a raise here

831
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: to last season, they paid five bucks for every dead

832
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: pike minnah. Uh, this season, it's gonna be six bucks

833
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: each for the first twenty five pike minnows, eight bucks

834
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: each for two hundred fish, and ten bucks a pop

835
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: after two hundred. In addition, similar to the pit Tag deal,

836
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: especially tag pike minnow are worth five bucks a piece.

837
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: N I gotta make a confession. Yeah, um, this is

838
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna surprise no one. But I'm an idiot. And when

839
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: I first heard about this, particularly how you call them

840
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: northern pike minnows. But I thought like it was it

841
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: was like a bounty on uh, like the minnows of

842
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: the northern pike. You mean like pike fry, you mean

843
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: like juvenile pike. No, incorrect, It's a whole other species. No,

844
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: I know. And I cleared this up with Miles when

845
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: he like dropped his story like last year or whenever

846
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: it was. But yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. I don't

847
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: know your honesty. I appreciate your honesty. No, but no,

848
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's a whole separate deal. And what's funny again,

849
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: is there there there are are pike minnows. I don't

850
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: know if it's the northern or a different one, like

851
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: where they're protected. I believe in parts of the Colorado

852
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: River where there's giant ones that like those are protected.

853
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Yet up there, we we want these to go away.

854
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: And for anybody who doesn't get that, what's wrong with

855
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: pike minnose, Well, they're pretty voracious, right, and they gobble

856
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: up young salmon and steelhead, and as we know, as

857
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about, those two fish kind of take top

858
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: honors out there in those systems um as well as

859
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: in the Snake River, and this reward program is also

860
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: in play there. So it's the Columbia and the Snake River,

861
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon. So this is from the story kind

862
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: of fascinating. Biologists estimate that the reward program has reduced

863
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: predation on young salmon and steelhead by up to fort

864
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: from levels before the program began. The program's annual goal

865
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: is to remove ten percent to of pike minnows that

866
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: are nine inches or longer in the two rivers in

867
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon, and estimated at eleven point three percent

868
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: of pike minnows were removed, So I mean, that's that's

869
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: pretty significant. It's working. So this past year's top earner,

870
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: the guy that ended up with sixty one k personally

871
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: checked in seven thousand five pike minnows, seven of which

872
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: were tagged, therefore worth a lot more coin. I don't

873
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: think I've caught seven thousand life, right boy. So I'll

874
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: get to that for all you, like, for everybody out

875
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: there is like listening, like I need to go do this.

876
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: Just hang on. Understand some things. His wife, this guy's wife.

877
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: She also contributed one thousand, seven hundred pike minnows, thus

878
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: boosting the final cash payout even further. And the story

879
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: seems to suggest that they may in fact just kind

880
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: of do this for money, like that just might be

881
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: what these two folks do. This is their income, and hey,

882
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean that ain't bad, right um. The next three

883
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: top earners in the program during the past season each

884
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: had payouts between thirty thousand and forty thousand dollars. So

885
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: this is the tricky part, right um. To get back

886
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: to those brown trout for a second. You know, a

887
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: lot of people wrote in after and said, yeah, but

888
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: you gotta understand, it's not like Glen Canyon is rife

889
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: with them, Like there's not that many, you know what

890
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and they want them gone, So it's not

891
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: like a brown trout sligh fest. When you go down there,

892
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: you kind of work for browns in that system. A

893
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: little bit of the same deal here as I understand it,

894
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: pike minnows are not super hard to catch. They can

895
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: be really tricky to find. And having visited the Columbia,

896
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a huge river system. Um you know,

897
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: it's super wide, super deep. So from what I've read

898
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: and see it on YouTube, they'll eat almost anything, right,

899
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: They'll eat a spinner, they'll eat a spoon, simple piece

900
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: of cut bait, worm, whatever. But one angler in the

901
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: story was quoted as saying, like you can go to

902
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: a spot one day and you'll catch a pile, like

903
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I'll just you'll put up just a shipload of these

904
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: fish and the next day they're just gone and they

905
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: may never be in that spot again. So like this

906
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: guy who earned all this money, you said, you haven't

907
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: caught seven thousand fish in your life. For all of

908
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: you hopefuls out there current drafting letters of resignation to

909
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: your employer, keep in mind that like these top earners,

910
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: the time they put in is ridiculous, Like this is

911
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: not like blue gill fishing, like these dudes basically devote

912
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: every waking minute. You know what does sound a lot

913
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: like it sounds a lot like crappie fishing. Yeah, yeah,

914
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Now, I don't know enough about the science

915
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: or the behavior of pike minnows. It's something I've never targeted,

916
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: but it almost seems to me like they just are

917
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: always on the move, you know what I mean, Like

918
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: they're just piled in here and then they're gone. But um, yeah, man,

919
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean you could you can make some coin, that'd

920
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: be it would be hard for me. Me drink um.

921
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: The guy who sent in the story about getting getting

922
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: pinched on the stringer put yeah, man in his own

923
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: d M parentheses arrow, pointing to it drink. So that

924
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: is infecting people. I just wanted to say. So there

925
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: you go, go out and make some money catching pike minnows. Um,

926
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna catch some heat from Phil here.

927
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: We've got pike minnows today or the Irish whatever you're

928
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: more into Phil, I don't know if you're Irish. Phil

929
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: is probably very Irish. You're right, okay, yeah yeah, And

930
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: as soon as we're done being judged by Phil, we're

931
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: gonna do an end of the line. That sort of

932
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: keeps up the theme of of drama. This week. We've

933
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of dramatic documentaries. Were like, we'll

934
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: keep the drama going with a special story, a ballad line,

935
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: a ballad an ode an homage, end of the line homage,

936
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: Hayden Samic quit playing war games with my heart. You

937
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: are the winner this week. As a matter of fact,

938
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: I do have a bit of Irish in me. When

939
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm not editing podcasts, you can find me out in

940
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the woods looking for hearts, stars, horseshoes, clovers and blue moons,

941
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: pots of gold, rainbows and the red balloons. Also, my

942
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: ass is so pale that it kind of looks like

943
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: the stay puffed marshmallow man, all kind of scrunched up

944
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: and piste off, you know, after they shoot him with

945
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: the proton pack. Yeah, well that's not loud enough. This

946
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: story begins in Port Clinton, Ohio, in July, where I

947
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: was hanging out with my bud, Ross Robertson while filming

948
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: the Walleye episode of dost Boat season three. Now, during

949
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: that trip, we had a little downtime, and I'm always

950
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: interested in visiting tackle shops when I'm on the road,

951
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: especially in places like Port Clinton, as they cater too

952
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: vastly different angling needs than the shops back east. So

953
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: there we were in Fisherman Central, which is a badass shop,

954
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: and there I was staring down an entire wall of

955
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: smith Bick rogue jerk baits. I've already covered the rogue

956
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: on end of the line and told you about its

957
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: roots and how I've come to love this low, especially

958
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: for trout, but it doesn't have a cultural stronghold in

959
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: the far Northeast where I live like it does elsewhere.

960
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm lucky to find simple silver and gold

961
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: rogues back home, and if I do, they're generally the

962
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: deep diving models, not the smaller, suspending super rogue Junior.

963
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: Because that, my friends, is my money maker, and Fisherman's

964
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: Central had it in colors I didn't even know existed,

965
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: one of which, and admittedly the one that was least

966
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: appealing at the time, was a bloody crawfish red. Now

967
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: I bought two of every color that day, but only

968
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: one in that red. Those lawyers just sat in my

969
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: garage until November, when me and somebodies get more serious

970
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: about floating for big browns on a local river that

971
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: just tends to fish better in the colder months. Now,

972
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: for no particular reason, I tied on that red robe

973
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: during our first float of the season, and in a

974
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: few short miles it was smashed by three nice small

975
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: amounts three browns between seventeen and twenty two inches, and

976
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: it moved several more fish that day. Maybe there is

977
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: something to the red, I thought. But then in the

978
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: last run a whopper trout hit it so hard that

979
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: it snapped my leader. Knowing I'd be going back soon,

980
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I decided, rather than hurry up and order more lures,

981
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: I just make one. So I took an old silver

982
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: suspending super Rogue Junior that was missing an eye, broke

983
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: out the airbrush, compressor and the copic markers, and spruced

984
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: it up with new eyes, a fresh black back, blood

985
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: red sides, and a brighter orange belly. And I gotta

986
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: tell you, it looked really great. I was really proud

987
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: of myself. And then like an idiot, I sealed it

988
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: with clear enamel spray and all the marker ran and

989
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: then it just looked like total shit, or so I thought.

990
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: Next round on the river, I had my bud and

991
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: frequent vent guest, Jim Fee chuck that lure that looked

992
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: like it was painted by a preschooler, and we had

993
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: some pretty terrible conditions that day, But wouldn't you know it,

994
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: a tiger trout, a small brown, and a fatty over

995
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: twenty inches a k a. The nicest wild stream brown

996
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: Jim had caught in years, piled on to that rogue.

997
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks later, that ugly rogue jacked another

998
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: twenty two for me and moved a few more and

999
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: scored a giant pickerel, And just like that, my halfass

1000
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: custom lure kind of became the one. In fact, it

1001
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: closed out the season on that river with a twenty

1002
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: five in brown, the biggest I'd taken there to date,

1003
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: and the lure, which by then I had quietly dubbed

1004
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: Sweet Rusty, had become my most trusted jerk bait in

1005
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: a matter of about a month and a half. On

1006
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: January PM, Sweet Rusty died tragically, and I do mean tragically,

1007
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: because Rusty's final swim was while targeting, of all things, walleyes. Now,

1008
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: if you've been listening to Ben for a while, you

1009
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: know walleyes are not really my jam, but inevitably, come midwinter,

1010
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: my cabin fever gets so excruciating that I talked myself

1011
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: into visiting one of several known walleye wintering holes on

1012
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: the Delaware River. And these are all places that just

1013
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: get pounded, and my success at any of them over

1014
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: the years has been nominal, mostly because if it's freezing

1015
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: cold and I'm walleye fishing and I don't get bit

1016
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: in like fifteen minutes, I completely lose interest. But on

1017
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: the January twenty five visit, I had something I didn't

1018
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: have before, sweet Rusty. I thought maybe this Jackson Pollock

1019
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: theme bait would be as much of a ringer in

1020
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: walter World as it had been in Browntown. It was

1021
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: on the second retrieve that I got thumped, or at

1022
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: least that's what I thought at first, But then I

1023
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: remembered I was walleye fishing, and hadn't been a walleye,

1024
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: i'd have felt nothing, just sudden dead weight on the

1025
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: end of the line. No, my friends, it was a

1026
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: rock that Rusty had connected with, and the poor fellow

1027
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: came back in twirling just under the surface, only half

1028
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: a lip remaining on his face, and I was heartbroken

1029
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: for Rusty who would survived miles of river, thousands of casts,

1030
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: repeated knocks off bank, would crushing blows from big browns

1031
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: and pickerel. This was an embarrassing demise. It was like

1032
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: a valiant soldier surviving many heated firefights only to be

1033
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: killed later by a nerf bow and arrow. Now, at

1034
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: the end of the day, and kidding aside, Rusty is

1035
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: nothing but a suspending super rogue Jr. And I own

1036
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of those, So what's the big deal? Right?

1037
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: He didn't swim any differently than the rest of them.

1038
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: So was my botched paint job really the magic? I

1039
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: mean maybe, But my guess is had I been fishing

1040
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: factory red or silver instead, all the eats and moves

1041
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: would have happened anyway. The fish were just on they

1042
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: were chewing. The only reason I stuck with Russ was

1043
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: because I had confidence in them, even if deep down

1044
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: I knew that was an unfounded confidence, because I mean,

1045
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: it's not like other people on the boat weren't moving

1046
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: or catching trout on other ship. I think most anglers

1047
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: have owned similar lures, and in some cases they may

1048
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: be legitimately tweaked to perform differently than they would right

1049
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: out of the package. But most of the time that's

1050
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: not really the case. Most of the time nothing's been tweaked.

1051
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: It's just that this black jitter bug or whatever just

1052
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: has the it that the rest of them don't. It's

1053
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: got the mojo, the juju, the juice, and they are

1054
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: all different ways A lure fly can attain this mojo.

1055
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: But while you can replace and replicate pretty much any

1056
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: lure or fly, you can't easily build in the confidence

1057
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: that you add in the original. I'm sure some of

1058
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: you have lures like sweet Rusty, and whether they're living

1059
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: or they've passed on, we'd love to hear about them,

1060
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: So send your homage to Bent at the meat eater

1061
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: dot com. You know that was that was kind of

1062
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: a sad story, Joe. I did I not say it

1063
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: would be dramatic? Dramatic? I can. I can sympathize with this, though,

1064
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: because you know that when I'm conventional fishing, I'm doing

1065
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: like a lot of like chunking and soft plastic ship

1066
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: like I don't really mess around with like stick baits

1067
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: too much. Um. And then I, you know, I fly

1068
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: fish a bunch and that's typically like a pretty transient

1069
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: um like like flies are transy, man, you never really

1070
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: hang onto them too long unless you're not using them.

1071
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: It's not but everything else. Yeah, you can hold onto

1072
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: like a bugger or some ship. But like anyhow, um,

1073
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: my favorite lie like ever is this one I tie.

1074
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: It's like a it's a copper tongue head, so copper

1075
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: colored tongue head with an orange hot spot. Uh CDC

1076
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: soft tackle, a pheasant tail body with like a little

1077
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: ostri turtle is like the thorn, not ostri turle up

1078
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: peacock curl is the thorax. And then I I tail

1079
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: it with CDL which if if you guys aren't as

1080
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: hip as I am, that's a cock de leone, which

1081
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: is just like it's basically a spate tackle fiber kind

1082
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: of you know, but it's like barred and it's it's

1083
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: a really good tailing material. Anyhow, I love that fly.

1084
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: I hate tying that fly. So when I would like,

1085
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: I I tie him in like you know, sets of

1086
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: three and four, and when I would get to that

1087
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: fourth one. This happened this past winter. Man, I just

1088
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: did not feel like tying more of those, so I

1089
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: just remember seeing this beat up crusty one in my box.

1090
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: That was just I mean, it had like pheasant tail

1091
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: fibers like popping out of the middle, like the the

1092
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: hotspot was coming undone. And I just prayed to the

1093
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: fishing gods, please please let this last throw a handful

1094
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: more trout and and I'll be happy. And I kept

1095
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: repeating that prayer and on on some Hanukah sh it.

1096
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: You know. It was like the oil just kept lasting

1097
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: and then I lost it, and then I I was

1098
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: equally heartbroken. Yeah yeah, Well what's funny about this is

1099
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: I posted this really goofy Instagram video about losing about

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: the destruction of rusty, and I said it to candle

1101
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: in the wind. And maybe I made it too sad

1102
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: because people from all over were hitting me up, like

1103
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: send me that Lord, and I will fix it. Like

1104
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: people are likes, he's not gonna die on my watch,

1105
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, people like get a guitar pick in retro fit.

1106
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: I'll drop everything and and triage just for you. And

1107
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate that so much from the bottom of my heart.

1108
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: But while sad like I was, I was also mostly

1109
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: joking like I wasn't. I wasn't like losing sleep over

1110
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: did call me in tears that one night. But I

1111
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: think you'd like drank a little bit too much or

1112
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: something that was something else that we won't know. I'm kidding, um,

1113
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, like it was a great lure. I might

1114
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: actually fix it. I've been given some great suggestions, but

1115
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 1: still like, like it wasn't like it didn't crush my soul,

1116
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: especially since I have more of those, and I have

1117
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: piles of Loco special jerk baits from our sponsors thirteen Fishing,

1118
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: some of which I've already added similar red accents to um.

1119
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: They make a three to five foot diver, a six

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: to nine ft diver, and the three to five is

1121
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: my jam. They actually have, unlike many stick baits, jerk baits,

1122
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: a weight transfer systems, so they bomb. And also the

1123
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: hooks that come on them are scary sharp, way sharper

1124
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: than Smithwick Rogue factory hooks, so that is something to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind. That they are not that I have

1126
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: used mind yet because everything here is I don't know,

1127
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: frozen solid, but they but they do catch shirt sleeves

1128
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: quite effectively. Hey, you know you know what else is sharp?

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: The question we got from one of you out there

1130
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: for this week's bent Helpline. What do you laugh without Martin?

1131
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, You're not Jam Looney, how boy,

1132
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: You're a fisherman. What's your emergency? So, for the first

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: time in bent Helpline history, we have our our first

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01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: audio question this week. Correct me if I'm wrong, and

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: this is an audio question this week, right, sure? Yeah,

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01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: And this one comes from Jim Morrison. Um, not of

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: the doors, although it's a great Jim has actually been

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: following me and my stuff for a long time, so

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: it's cool that that Jim has worked his way into

1140
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: bent here and um, it's nice because we have to

1141
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: do a little bit less reading this week, Jim. So

1142
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: here's Jim's question, directly from Jim himself and John Hayden.

1143
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: I love the show, got a good one for you guys.

1144
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: So let's talk first mate, some tips. What is the

1145
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: driver of a tip for first mate? Is it the

1146
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: catching of the fish or the overall experience? This past

1147
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: summer I had a first um, which was a bad

1148
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: first mate. We had charter five guys went five a

1149
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: guy um two. Two of my buddies have never really

1150
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: fished before offshore. So the first mate was yelling at them, swearing,

1151
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: slapping the rout out of their hands. Uh, Frankly, it

1152
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: was just a dick um. When it was time to

1153
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: leave at the end of the day, the three of

1154
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: us tipped him a hundred bucks each who've all fished before,

1155
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: and the two guys who frankly had a bad time

1156
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: stiff him. I want to get your thoughts on that, um,

1157
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: what distinguishes how you should tip a first mate. It

1158
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: always creeps me out to get those voice members from

1159
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: beyond the grave, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,

1160
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: the number was from France. Uh yeah, exactly. Um. So

1161
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think this is. This is

1162
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: a terrific question, and this pops up for me at least,

1163
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, six seven times a year from people

1164
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: who are traveling to book charters who just don't have

1165
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot of experience iNTS with this um. And I

1166
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: really wish that there was an easy, definitive answer, but

1167
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: there is not. Although I will say this tipping in general,

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01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: I think, in my opinion, it's ultimately about service. Like

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: you can put percentages on it and say like, oh,

1170
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: well that you know it's customary to tip. Yeah, it

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01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: might be customary if you're pleased with your service to

1172
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: give somebody twenty percent of whatever it may be. But

1173
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: like if it's shitty service, basically people want to know, well,

1174
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: how do I figure out how much to give a

1175
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: first mate? How do I figure out how much to

1176
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: give a captain? It's ultimately stemming from how good of

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01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 1: a time you had and how hard they worked, so

1178
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: to jump right in, you know, with with Jim scenario

1179
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: here where you had two guys that knew what they

1180
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: were doing and the first mate was awesome with them,

1181
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: and two guys that kind of didn't and the first

1182
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: mate treated him like shit. Assuming that those two guys

1183
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: who got treated like ship were good friends of mine,

1184
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: I not have tipped the mate anything because, like, to me,

1185
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: it's like you're there for the whole experience, you're all

1186
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: on the boat together, and if you're being an ass

1187
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: to my boy like that would have factored into me

1188
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: tipping the guy. Yeah, I think like this is a

1189
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: particular um. This is like kind of a conundrum that

1190
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: you run into on chartered boats. Sometimes it's it's it's

1191
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: not like it's not like shitty service at a restaurant,

1192
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: because anybody whets shitty service at a restaurant is going

1193
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: to be like, well that was shitty service. Um, if

1194
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: you're on like a fishing charter and you're coming from

1195
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: the position where like you don't know anything about fishing,

1196
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, dude, I mean if this happens, man pay

1197
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: the charter blank the mate. Yeah, I mean, and that's

1198
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Like that's you. You

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: reserve the right to do that. And how you determine

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: what that tip is worth, I mean, in very simple terms.

1201
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: I always just look at it like kind of like

1202
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: the cost of goods. So just hypothetically, if you're if

1203
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: you're paying for a charter, like an in short charter,

1204
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Um, we'll say an in short

1205
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: charter on averages six d bucks seven bucks. I mean,

1206
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: just in this day and age, like I think of

1207
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: that scene not to bring up the Christmas vacation where

1208
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: the grandmother's like if you rub, I have a painful burrow.

1209
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: I here, and if you rub it for me, I'll

1210
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: give you a whole quarter. Well, like, dude, in this

1211
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: day and age, like if if a mate was good,

1212
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: I always look at it like the kids should be

1213
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: at least getting you know, a hundred bucks total, like

1214
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: chip in from all the guys or whatever it is.

1215
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: And if he was a rock star, you can go

1216
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: from there, right, Um, I mean you could call it.

1217
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of you know, in the ballpark.

1218
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: But how you determine what was good? I think he's

1219
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: on case by case. It's certainly wouldn't be for me

1220
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: how many fish we caught. As an example, we go

1221
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: out dog fishing. We might have a horrible day. They

1222
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: might not be biting. It might totally suck. But if

1223
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: that dude's constantly cutting crabs, making sure your bait bucket

1224
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: is full, helping you get unstuck running up on the bow,

1225
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, to put two anchors out, set two anchors

1226
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: in rough ass ice, cold season, the wind, Like he's

1227
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: working his ass off to to to make your trip

1228
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: as successful as possible. For me, it's always more determined

1229
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: by that how hard did he work? It's not what

1230
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: you caught, that's how hard did he work? Yeah, to

1231
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: come back to like the waiter, you know, uh analogy right,

1232
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't poorly tip a waiter who gave you

1233
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: excellent service because the food sucked, you know what I mean?

1234
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: Like that's not on the waiter. The waiter did everything

1235
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: that they could that said, man, um, you know you're

1236
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: gonna tip a guy like this in one of two ways.

1237
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 1: You know, You're either gonna tip them by like letting

1238
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: him stroke his own ego and be like, look, I'm

1239
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: the man, I know how to catch fish. These guys

1240
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: are idiots, you know, great, that's his tip, man that

1241
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: that dude got to like feed his ego for the trip,

1242
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: and you know whatever. But if you have another dude

1243
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: who's like trying his hardest man and isn't trying to

1244
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: feed his ego, that's when you tip that guy. Yeah, exactly,

1245
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: And another way to look at it too, in certain scenarios.

1246
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: I think more so that you'll see this more in

1247
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: fly fishing, because there's no first mate in fly fishing.

1248
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: But you know, you you book a fly guide, you

1249
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: float the river, you wade, whatever it is. I know

1250
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: a ton of fly guys, and there are some guys

1251
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 1: who like your tip is directly tied to how many

1252
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: fish they caught that day. They You know, these people

1253
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: don't think about the fact that the guide can't catch

1254
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: them for you. He can put you on them. He

1255
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: could take you to where they're rising. He can give

1256
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: you the bug and he can coach you through that,

1257
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: but he can't. He can't execute the cast unless you

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Speaker 1: want him to, and then he hands you the rod.

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Speaker 1: But I think, um, for the good guys in that scenario,

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Speaker 1: they also have the respect to tip based on what

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Speaker 1: did I learn? Okay, well maybe we didn't have a

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01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: great day of fishing, but like, did this guy improve

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Speaker 1: my cast? Did he teach me something about entomology I

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't know before. That's another way to look at it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think the final thing that um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to kind of touch on is like the

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Speaker 1: general DeMier of the guide. There are a couple of

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Speaker 1: different types of guys you'll run into. There's like the

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Speaker 1: guy who wants everybody to go out and have a

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Speaker 1: good time and isn't really taken it that serious. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're at a bachelor party, you're with a couple of

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Speaker 1: your buddies, and like you're trolling for Mahi in some

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01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: like tropical like destination and you don't really care too

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01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: much about like the fishing. You care more about like

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Speaker 1: the fun and the experience. Like that's one kind of

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: guy to run into. The opposite of that maybe in

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Speaker 1: the same general area is if you go on the

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: bone fish flats with like a hard and salt water guide,

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: that experience is like more serious because you're really trying

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Speaker 1: to pursue something. And a lot of times those kind

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: of guides they'll give you like tough love on stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: they'll because they want to function as a team and

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01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: they want to be successful too. But there is a

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: fine line between giving you a little bit of tough

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: love and like, you know, seeing how good of an

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: angler you are and like trying to help you live

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: up to that and being a dickhead and you know,

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: and like that's something you gotta have the confidence to

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01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: recognize and be like, I didn't like that, and this

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: is not the way that this should have gone. Yeah,

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01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, people ask me for guide and captain recommendations

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: all the time, and if there's one piece of advice

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: I can give you with it and this ties to

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: tipping talk to basically exactly. In my opinion, your experience

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: starts a long time before you ever end up on

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Speaker 1: the boat or wherever. And you know, people hit me

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: up and they're like, well, I have my son is

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Speaker 1: five and we're going here and I'd like to do this,

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Speaker 1: and who do you recommend? I'm you gotta pick up

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01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: the phone and I'm like, give every detail, be super explicit.

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing my son. All he wants to catch is

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: a barracuda. It doesn't have to be a big one.

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: We don't have to be out all like, don't just

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01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: jump on a boat blind because in his resume he

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01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: says he targets the thing you want to target, Like,

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01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: ask a million questions and if the guy or or

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: or girl kind of blows you off and act like

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01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: they don't have time to answer all your questions, wrong, wrong,

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: wrong guide, wrong guy. They're there there to make your

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: experience exactly what you wanted to be. And assuming they

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: do that, then they deserve as much tip as you

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Speaker 1: want to give them. Tip, tip them out. Same time,

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: if you get on a boat and the mates and

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Speaker 1: asshole and you're not going to tip him, I would

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: go right to the captain be like, sorry, dude, your

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: maid's an asshole. You know, like he needs to know

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: that if if that's really affecting your experience. So no,

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01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: no hard and fast rule there, but it is at

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01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: your discretion and the best thing you can do is

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Speaker 1: ask a million questions before booking any any charter guided trip.

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Speaker 1: Um Jim, thank you for that. Thank you for the

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Speaker 1: voice memo too. That was a nice change. Good to

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: hear from you. We we accept voice memoss Yeah, we

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01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: love them emails. You can hit us up on d

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01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: m um Bent at the Meteor dot com if you

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: want to go that route. Please keep those questions coming.

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Speaker 1: We are really enjoying this. A lot of them have

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01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: been super awesome and um you might get years answered

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01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: right here on the Bent helpline. So that's it for

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Speaker 1: this week. Thanks again to Micha Conelly for dropping by

1331
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: when in doubt, whether you're watching a fish documentary or

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: running a jet boat or or or screaming at a

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01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: shitty first mate like you stole it all of Micai

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: Canelly go all in on that. You know what I'm saying. Also,

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Speaker 1: never give up on sending those awkward photos, sale bin items,

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Speaker 1: bar nominations, and helpline questions to Bent at the Meat

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Speaker 1: Eater dot com and keep using those degenerate Angler and

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Speaker 1: Bent podcast hashtags and go ahead and follow them yourself.

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Speaker 1: It will give you something to scrutinize other than my

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Speaker 1: shitty power tools because that's what we all want to see.

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Speaker 1: Hayden's power tools. I don't forget. If we re share

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Speaker 1: anything that you tag, you get some sweet vent stickers,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to up your chances of us resharing,

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Speaker 1: we accept tips in the form of bitcoin, homemade Lure's

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Speaker 1: hand tie flies, and Walmart gift cards. Send the drill,

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Speaker 1: be right. View videos,