Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. In this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: What do Pope Francis and the kicker for the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs have in comment? Well, they both made comment
Speaker 1: that many found offensive. What do they not have in comment? Well,
Speaker 1: only one of them has now apologized. Also, in this episode,
Speaker 1: the most dangerous, treacherous, and possibly stupid highway ride of
Speaker 1: my life happened over the Memorial Day weekend and Amy
Speaker 1: Robach sat there and watched it happen. Also, what do
Speaker 1: you do when your partner wants to plan your next
Speaker 1: vacation to Jamaica but you want to take an Alaskan cruise?
Speaker 1: How do you resolve that issue? And finally, folks, at
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, we truly, truly hope you
Speaker 1: will pick up your phone and message the person who
Speaker 1: deserves a long overdue check in from you, and welcome
Speaker 1: with all that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2: Roobes. Wow, I feel like I'm in the morning rundown.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got it with a lot's happened since we
Speaker 1: were on these mics last I guess.
Speaker 2: Yes, But I like how the podcast is just mapped out.
Speaker 2: It's great, I know, where we're going. I know where
Speaker 2: you're taking me.
Speaker 1: I like it. How about this? Where do you want
Speaker 1: to go first? I want to start and get it
Speaker 1: over with. The ride we took over the holiday weekend.
Speaker 1: Hope everybody had a good Memorial Day. It was some
Speaker 1: nasty weather up here that ruined the actual day for
Speaker 1: folks here in New York. But generally we were learning
Speaker 1: here from our producers in the room there was good
Speaker 1: weather or the weekend in New York, which is not
Speaker 1: Memorial Day.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I think we had spectacular weather. I think
Speaker 2: is fair to say Friday, Saturday, Sunday. The problem was
Speaker 2: our travel days, which were Thursday and Monday, were not
Speaker 2: just not spectacular, they were downright treacherous, severe thunderstorm warning. Treacherous.
Speaker 1: Would you say I said dangerous? Would you say stupid?
Speaker 1: As well? The ride? My ride was stupid. It was
Speaker 1: a stupid thing to do.
Speaker 2: Well given your level of experience. Yes, yes, we.
Speaker 1: Have to explain that, to have to throw in an
Speaker 1: insult as we were trying to tell this story. I'm trying, Andy,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be open, right, I'm trying to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1: And you hear that, and he heard it. He caught it.
Speaker 1: I some no, it's stood out there or whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: have a motorcycle that I'll ride around the city here.
Speaker 1: I love it. But we were going to a lake
Speaker 1: this weekend and took some time in Connecticut on the lake,
Speaker 1: and I was so excited get to put the bike
Speaker 1: on the road when this is my first actual road
Speaker 1: trip and beautiful ride out of the city, out of Manhattan. Oh,
Speaker 1: going on in the FDR. Well there, it's beautiful. How
Speaker 1: far did we get before things?
Speaker 2: I think we just passed Yankee Stadium, okay, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden the skies turned black. So I was
Speaker 2: in a car there it is in front of TJ.
Speaker 2: You were in a motorcycle behind me.
Speaker 1: How was your real view? How was that rear viewer?
Speaker 2: I honestly was looking back at you as much as
Speaker 2: I was looking forward, like I felt like I never
Speaker 2: took my eyes off you and the road at the
Speaker 2: same time, because I was worried about both for anyone
Speaker 2: even driving in these conditions, I could barely see. It
Speaker 2: was a flash flood. The skies opened up. It got
Speaker 2: so dark that you know when you're in your car
Speaker 2: when it turns to night and everything in the colors
Speaker 2: in your car changed to dark, like that's how dark
Speaker 2: it was. My car thought it was night time. And
Speaker 2: there was lightning and thunder and rained so hard that
Speaker 2: you couldn't like. I was slow down to twenty five
Speaker 2: miles an hour.
Speaker 1: And I am sitting on a motorcycle going down the highway.
Speaker 1: I mean, we best we could do. Still, people were
Speaker 1: hauling tails, so you had to get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Forty plus miles an hour. Cannot see a thing. I
Speaker 1: do not have on proper riding gear or weather gear,
Speaker 1: and I trucks were pat you saw it. Trucks were
Speaker 1: passing by. I was getting completely drink It was crazy.
Speaker 2: I was looking back and thinking, oh my god, Like
Speaker 2: when a semi truck would come by you and push
Speaker 2: an entire like tsunami of water on top of you.
Speaker 2: I thought it might knock you over, just the sheer
Speaker 2: force of the water like cascading over you. And I
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do. You had jeans, you
Speaker 2: were like soaked to the eventually had to pull.
Speaker 1: Over once we had a little clear but we had
Speaker 1: we couldn't stop in the middle of the mess with
Speaker 1: the lightning. It was just too bad. You couldn't go
Speaker 1: in an overpass, it was even more dangerous. I had
Speaker 1: to just keep going. It was an adventure. And to
Speaker 1: your point, I've only been riding a motorcycle full time
Speaker 1: for I mean, this summer will make a year, so
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of road trips, and so
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of experience with this kind
Speaker 1: of weather and what you should do and all that.
Speaker 1: So it was we got to where we were going,
Speaker 1: and it was a wonderful time in Connecticut on the lake.
Speaker 1: We didn't have the girls with us, no, no kids
Speaker 1: with us, so it was just the two of us.
Speaker 2: It was peaceful and wonderful. No. No, no, we love
Speaker 2: our girls. We love when they're with us.
Speaker 1: You're insulting everybody.
Speaker 2: No, I was just teasing. But no, to your point,
Speaker 2: you said, you got like five years worth of driving
Speaker 2: experience in one trip, because it was just so much
Speaker 2: and you were excited to actually take it out on
Speaker 2: the road and not be at a stoplight, not you know,
Speaker 2: being able to take it above twenty five miles an hour,
Speaker 2: which is a speed limit here in the city. So
Speaker 2: I was so excited for you. I was encourage you
Speaker 2: to bring the motorcycle. I'm like, it'll be fun. And
Speaker 2: then when we get up there, Yeah, you were the
Speaker 2: one push. I really was, because I know how much
Speaker 2: you loved the thing, and I knew it was like
Speaker 2: an opportunity to actually really learn what it can do
Speaker 2: and where it can take you and how much fun
Speaker 2: it can be. And then yeah, mother Nature had other plans.
Speaker 1: Other plans, But we had a good time. It was
Speaker 1: a good trip. But part of this trip was discussing
Speaker 1: another trip. Everybody's just guiding about vacation right now. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are already decided, but we were trying
Speaker 1: to figure out where we wanted to go. You and
Speaker 1: I are not on the same page a lot of
Speaker 1: times with the types of trips we want to take,
Speaker 1: because we are not always on the same page with
Speaker 1: the types of activities we like to do on vacation.
Speaker 2: Yes, basically I like to be very active during vacation,
Speaker 2: and you like to be very inactive during vacation.
Speaker 1: None of this is an old, old look. In our careers,
Speaker 1: we've gotten a chance. I mean, it's a blessing to
Speaker 1: be able to travel as much as we do, but
Speaker 1: travel has become so much work and just getting through
Speaker 1: the airport and then for us getting somewhere and then
Speaker 1: hoot and just having to hit it when it's time
Speaker 1: for vacation, I don't want to do anything. I need
Speaker 1: a direct flight to an airport that's only two or
Speaker 1: three hours away. Short flight, hop off, small airport, get
Speaker 1: me through, get me to my spot, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sit out.
Speaker 2: So nothing I'm used to. I like direct flights too,
Speaker 2: but I don't mind changing to get to a off
Speaker 2: the beaten path location. And then sometimes when it comes
Speaker 2: to exploring, I like to hit at least two or
Speaker 2: three different hotels, go from city to city, so I
Speaker 2: can see as much as I possibly can in the
Speaker 2: period of time. So now I've got parameters of direct
Speaker 2: flight no more than eight hours, more than eight hours,
Speaker 2: and we have to stay in the same hotel the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 1: Okay, what since do Okay, we're just different on this.
Speaker 1: I just unpacked these bags to get into this hotel,
Speaker 1: so in three days, you don't need to pack up
Speaker 1: again to travel to another hotel.
Speaker 2: When you know you're doing that, you don't actually unpack
Speaker 2: your bag. You just kind of.
Speaker 1: Live out of a bagel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't take the time to unpack it all
Speaker 2: because there's the I agree, that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: This is not relaxing, is my point. No, no, no, again,
Speaker 1: it's a different type of vacation. But what you described
Speaker 1: is when I say vacation, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you take a trip, sometimes adventure. Okay, sometimes
Speaker 2: what I like to do is you sometimes get the
Speaker 2: adventure in the beginning or and then the last half
Speaker 2: of it is the relax like I've done. Those those
Speaker 2: are fun. That's a compromise.
Speaker 1: Okay, well maybe we'll get at that later. But we
Speaker 1: went round and round and round trying to figure out
Speaker 1: we have for weeks trying to figure out where we're
Speaker 1: going on vacation and to make the point where Okay,
Speaker 1: the types of places we were they were very few
Speaker 1: that we were both excited about. Right, Okay, you have
Speaker 1: your list. Okay, this is this is my list. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go back and forth. I got six here and
Speaker 1: no particular order online.
Speaker 2: Oh you aren't in order?
Speaker 1: Okay, no particular order. But this this is the list now,
Speaker 1: folks of the positive, these are the places we would go.
Speaker 1: All right, he's gonna go back and forth. I'll say
Speaker 1: mine first, Las.
Speaker 2: Vegas, Italy, Cairo, Cairo, Cape Town, the Azores, I say
Speaker 2: it as it's the Azores.
Speaker 1: We're not going there. We can't even pronounce it. Uh, Majorca, Copenhagen.
Speaker 1: I think that's five right?
Speaker 2: Oh? No, no, I still have another one. Okay, I
Speaker 2: got port Oh, I said, Porto, Portugal.
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, different contents. Nothing in the States on your list, right? Okay?
Speaker 1: And that's very hard to narrow down. What do folks
Speaker 1: do we we have have narrowed it down. I woke up,
Speaker 1: what was it? I got up on Monday? Was it Monday?
Speaker 1: What day?
Speaker 2: Was it? Monday?
Speaker 1: Sunday? And you say, hey, I booked flights.
Speaker 2: It's true. I just want ahead and booked them.
Speaker 1: And I said, to where.
Speaker 2: If we had gone back and forth so many times?
Speaker 2: What we did? I don't know if anyone else has
Speaker 2: done this, but we pulled up the Google flights and
Speaker 2: it says anywhere. So give them like a two week
Speaker 2: period of time, and the month you want to go,
Speaker 2: and what airport you want to leave from, how many
Speaker 2: stops you're willing to take, which for us was NonStop only,
Speaker 2: which limits you significantly, And then and then you can
Speaker 2: select what classic you know travel you want to go in,
Speaker 2: and then it gives you the prices all on a map.
Speaker 2: So that narrowed things down. Because some places I would
Speaker 2: have loved to have gone, like Thailand or whatever, we're
Speaker 2: just stupid expensive, so that immediately got ruled out. But
Speaker 2: it really it's cool you can kind of see what
Speaker 2: you get price wise for where you want to go.
Speaker 2: So that helped us narrow it down. So where are
Speaker 2: we going, baby.
Speaker 1: Well we're will that's TVD. Wait, we had we have
Speaker 1: some time to cancel.
Speaker 2: No, that passed. I told you twenty four hours. It's
Speaker 2: already fast going.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get back to y'all. We're just different in
Speaker 1: that way, and we're different in activities. We just like
Speaker 1: we learned this this well, we didn't learn this this weekend.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's a big hiker. Some people love hiking.
Speaker 1: You are one of those people.
Speaker 2: I'm a big hiker, okay.
Speaker 1: I am. I think I am firmly not just not
Speaker 1: a hiker, like I am an anti hiking movement, like
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Like, no, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: walk up a hill, but.
Speaker 2: If it takes you to beautiful destinations and locations that
Speaker 2: you couldn't see in any other way or experience any
Speaker 2: of these wonderful talks along the way. So you're like
Speaker 2: working out without realizing you're working out, you're also achieving
Speaker 2: an incredible view or especially if you're going up a mountain,
Speaker 2: you can there's something that's kind of running a marathon.
Speaker 2: It's something you can say, wow, I did that and
Speaker 2: be proud of it because it wasn't easy.
Speaker 1: Also, but that's not hiking. That's different type of like
Speaker 1: mountain climbing versus hiking. What the hiking I'm referring to
Speaker 1: and please correct me if I'm wrong. Folks, just go
Speaker 1: out for a nature walk if you will. That's considered hiking.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I like that a lot. But I really
Speaker 2: like having like destination, Like I would like to go
Speaker 2: to Argentina to like, you know, the Patagonia area.
Speaker 1: It's more climbing, is it not.
Speaker 2: It's not climbing and hiking, it's both. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: and I like the idea of I don't mind backpacking
Speaker 2: and not showering for seven days, I don't mind staying
Speaker 2: on the mountain or what I was trying to convince
Speaker 2: you was like there are some really cool, like village
Speaker 2: to village to village, so you can hike into and
Speaker 2: you end up at a hotel at the end, so
Speaker 2: you don't have to do the tent. I get that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I know, you wouldn't like it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, Okay, now you're throwing in camping. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a second, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the most rudimentary form of hiking, which
Speaker 1: is not at extreme elevations, which not to a village,
Speaker 1: which is not camping. I'm just talking about putting on
Speaker 1: the boots and you go outside and you just walk
Speaker 1: through the woods. Yeah. I am not necessarily a fan.
Speaker 1: I've done it before, and I've enjoyed it when i've
Speaker 1: done it, but it's not something that is really in
Speaker 1: me that I enjoy doing.
Speaker 2: Right kind of yes, and so sometimes this is where
Speaker 2: I did appreciate you went on that kind of a
Speaker 2: hike with me this weekend, and unfortunately it different times
Speaker 2: of the year. It was a super buggy one, which
Speaker 2: I was bummed about because of course, no one likes
Speaker 2: to be like swarmed by nats and bugs and mosquitoes.
Speaker 2: And that was pretty much the entire time we were
Speaker 2: walking and I was like, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't fault you for that, but this is one
Speaker 1: of those things. Everybody's been here before at some point
Speaker 1: in the relationship where you are doing a solid for
Speaker 1: your mates. Now you are actually, I'm going to an
Speaker 1: event I don't want to go to. I'm watching something
Speaker 1: I don't really want to watch. I gotta go be
Speaker 1: around your family and whatever some of those things may be.
Speaker 1: I didn't, sweetheart. You have watched eighty seven basketball games
Speaker 1: with me since March Madness and that in the NBA playoffs,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mad you want me to walk. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna complain about it, but it's just not something
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I guess we've done well affair,
Speaker 1: it's up to this point, but it does. It can
Speaker 1: cause issues in a relationship when you are that far
Speaker 1: apart on where you want to go and the things
Speaker 1: you want to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you also have said that you don't like
Speaker 2: packing a winter coat. That's not vacation. And see, I
Speaker 2: love going to places like Iceland, and I really want
Speaker 2: to go to Greenland, and you know, I love seeing
Speaker 2: different landscapes and different climate zones and you're not a
Speaker 2: fan of.
Speaker 1: No, okay, but I like, I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: being cold, right right. I like landscapes. They have beautiful
Speaker 1: ones all over the Caribbean, beautiful lands apes. But if
Speaker 1: you telling me I need a Canada goose coat for
Speaker 1: a trip I'm taking, that's not a vacation.
Speaker 2: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's an adventure.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine. We could call it an adventure. So
Speaker 2: maybe we just every now and then go on an
Speaker 2: adventure trip and not call it vacation. And it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be like I'm telling you, most every trip
Speaker 2: I'd ever been on had been some sort of adventure,
Speaker 2: like some sort of work or some sort of goal
Speaker 2: oriented trip.
Speaker 1: Don't ever just go on a trip to sit down
Speaker 1: and get away and disconnect and relax.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it very often, but I am learning
Speaker 2: to like that more. I get antsy, but I you know,
Speaker 2: we're both learning each other's I mean, we knew it,
Speaker 2: but it's a little bit of a challenge trying to
Speaker 2: pick a place, just wanting everyone everyone, We all want
Speaker 2: to have a good time. But yes, we have very
Speaker 2: different ideas of what vacation looks like.
Speaker 1: Okay, is that. Okay, is vacation not really our problem
Speaker 1: we're fighting about.
Speaker 2: No, I oh oh, I thought about that. No, I
Speaker 2: just I just think.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: You know what, though we are navigating I think pretty
Speaker 2: well each other's differences, Like we just like I can't
Speaker 2: make you like hiking. You can't make me enjoy watching
Speaker 2: eighty seven basketball games through March through June, but you.
Speaker 1: Found a way. I mean, I have asked other things
Speaker 1: about the game you like. Yes, to your point.
Speaker 2: You are on dred percent right, But it's like, isn't
Speaker 2: it all about compromise? Like I wouldn't want to just
Speaker 2: it would be boring if you liked everything I liked
Speaker 2: and I liked everything you liked. So we can challenge
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: And isn't that what they say?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: The thing is that you need to be You don't
Speaker 1: need to be different in the ways that are deal breakers, right.
Speaker 1: It's okay to have differences, but you need to be
Speaker 1: alike in those main those specific ways that are more
Speaker 1: at your core of who you are, who you both are. Ye,
Speaker 1: But yeah, the little stuff this is. But the hike
Speaker 1: was hilarious because I know you felt bad and I
Speaker 1: was behaving the whole time.
Speaker 2: You never complain complaining one time. I agree. I have
Speaker 2: to give you full credit for Oh it was and.
Speaker 1: Again I like, I was there with you, I was
Speaker 1: outside with you, I was talking with you. I think
Speaker 1: we were in discussing vacation. But it was tough because yes,
Speaker 1: it was bug, it was net and all this, and
Speaker 1: we ended up Does anybody know what you call it
Speaker 1: a meadow?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can you easily quickly define what a meadow is? Does
Speaker 1: anybody like, off the top of your head, can you
Speaker 1: just say it? I've heard it. I get an idea
Speaker 1: of something, but we ended up in a meadow, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the what does a meadow?
Speaker 2: Lots of ticks? Unfortunately, I think that's what that meadow was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that gorgeous rolling hill of a meadow.
Speaker 2: I think meadows like grassland on a noll, like just.
Speaker 1: We talk about it.
Speaker 2: It's a hill but a little bit bigger than a hill,
Speaker 2: but it's not a mountain. Okay, it spelled knoll? Oh
Speaker 2: my god?
Speaker 1: Okay, No, you know what, if I hiked more, I
Speaker 1: would know what a metal and a nole was.
Speaker 2: Probably. Well, don't worry, you got plenty of years with
Speaker 2: me to figure it all.
Speaker 1: Out, all you know, and she just she comes right
Speaker 1: back and she brings it home, doesn't she. But though
Speaker 1: we will keep you all updated, we'll let you know
Speaker 1: where we end up for vacation, and if anybody has
Speaker 1: any weight, we could tip the scale her way or
Speaker 1: my way. We would love to hear how anybody else
Speaker 1: resolves any of their issues when it comes to vacations,
Speaker 1: because it is a big deal and you can't have
Speaker 1: one person pissed off on vacation the whole time.
Speaker 2: That would not be fun. Although we see it all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Actually it's one of the highlights of vacation looking at
Speaker 3: how annoying it is to everyone else when they're trying
Speaker 3: to deal with their spouse or their children while on
Speaker 3: vacation where you're supposed to I'll.
Speaker 2: Be having a lot of fun, Like there's so much pressure.
Speaker 1: You know what I have done that? No, okay, you
Speaker 1: know we talked about we'll get into this in another episode.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to sometimes being in the public eye,
Speaker 1: and this is not having anything to do with us
Speaker 1: being out there public couple, but just when I see
Speaker 1: so many couples that look so miserable, and I go man,
Speaker 1: I never want to look like that, never want to
Speaker 1: look like that. And I've said this to you at
Speaker 1: dinner or sitting out somewhere. You're on your phone looking
Speaker 1: down and I'm sitting there just looking like an idiot
Speaker 1: because you're doing something on your phone. Like baby, we
Speaker 1: look like them.
Speaker 2: We look to get off your phone.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: We do make a point. And I have been worse
Speaker 2: about it than you and you have. I've been on
Speaker 2: my phone more than you. You are really, really, really
Speaker 2: good about not being on your phone.
Speaker 1: Know why, Because I'm right where I want to be
Speaker 1: with the person I want to be with. I don't
Speaker 1: need my device.
Speaker 2: That's very sweet, but it felt like a result. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was our direct it was Yeah, I wasn't supposed
Speaker 2: to be subtle. I actually am into you versus no.
Speaker 2: So I I am always wanting to do better. But
Speaker 2: it's true, like you do. Look around and it's just
Speaker 2: a default. Everyone goes to their phone. You could be
Speaker 2: in the most magnificent place. I think we were, like
Speaker 2: literally one of the most magnificent places in the world
Speaker 2: in the French riviera, and we saw this family and
Speaker 2: they were all no one was even looking. Oh like
Speaker 2: they all had their phones up and like the little
Speaker 2: ones had like you know, the big iPads, and like
Speaker 2: there just had blinders on to what was all around them.
Speaker 2: And I just it's easy again, one of those things
Speaker 2: it's easy to see in other people and other famili
Speaker 2: it's harder to recognize when you're doing it. But when
Speaker 2: you do see that, it's always a wake up call,
Speaker 2: like what am I doing on this stupid device when
Speaker 2: I have all of this around me and the most
Speaker 2: amazing person right across from me.
Speaker 1: I give you, I'm talking a little trash here, but
Speaker 1: no you're not. This has not been an issue for us.
Speaker 1: I poke you a little bit about it, but it
Speaker 1: is not an issue for us.
Speaker 2: It's just that I think it's a habit more than anything.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you know, I need to be constantly
Speaker 2: stimulated at all times, so let me just you know,
Speaker 2: instead of just to your point, relaxing, unwinding, just being
Speaker 2: being still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to have an adventure on every vacation.
Speaker 2: You don't, and I am. And honestly, my mom probably
Speaker 2: if she could be here right now, would just give
Speaker 2: you a huge thank you. She has always my whole life.
Speaker 2: Asked me to slow down. Why can't you just slow down?
Speaker 2: Why can't you just relax? Why can't you just be?
Speaker 2: And every time I was going off on these adventures,
Speaker 2: she was worried about me because adventures do usually involve
Speaker 2: some level of risk, and so she was frustrated by
Speaker 2: my idea of fun and my idea of adventure and travel.
Speaker 2: So she's very happy to see me sitting peacefully somewhere
Speaker 2: and not dangling off the side of something.
Speaker 1: Well, you stick with me. Your mom's gonna love your
Speaker 1: safe travel. The other thing we mentioned here at the
Speaker 1: top that we actually did a previous episode here about
Speaker 1: was Harrison Butker from the Kansas City Chiefs, the kicker there.
Speaker 1: This is a few weeks ago he made at this point,
Speaker 1: can remember the name of the college, but he made
Speaker 1: a to a Catholic school in Kansas. In Kansas, he
Speaker 1: made a commencement address that many people found offensive for
Speaker 1: various reasons. They thought he was telling women to yes,
Speaker 1: you get your degrees, but your most valuable thing you
Speaker 1: could be doing is being a mother and being a
Speaker 1: white a homemaker. Yeah, so he hasn't apologized and by
Speaker 1: all he said, since it doesn't seem like he's gonna apologize,
Speaker 1: almost doubled down. He made another speech recently in which he,
Speaker 1: I mean, he acknowledged the controversy, but stuck to what
Speaker 1: his beliefs were about Catholicism and what he believed about
Speaker 1: the vocation of marriage.
Speaker 2: That's fine, and he also, we should point out because
Speaker 2: we did at the time as well. He also talked
Speaker 2: about Pride Month in a in a very offensive way,
Speaker 2: and that angered a lot of folks, as you might imagine.
Speaker 2: In the LGBTQ.
Speaker 1: No, and that one that was the one again we
Speaker 1: talked about it here to what, Hey, this guy has
Speaker 1: his right to his beliefs and a lot of these
Speaker 1: beliefs come from Catholicism, and that's fine. You can take issue.
Speaker 1: The LGBTQ plus comment was a kind of a throwaway,
Speaker 1: a one line. He didn't delve into anything, and that
Speaker 1: was the only thing that came across as unnecessarily unnecessary
Speaker 1: and even mean, I think is what I said at
Speaker 1: the time, just one line in which he was saying
Speaker 1: he used the word pride about something else unrelated, and
Speaker 1: he said, no, I'm not talking about the kind of
Speaker 1: pride that has a whole month dedicated to it. It
Speaker 1: was just a throwaway line and he believes it. That's fine.
Speaker 1: But you as you talked about here, I mean Catholics,
Speaker 1: Catholicism is very it's lots of people say, pretty clear
Speaker 1: when it comes to its views on homosexuality.
Speaker 2: I mean the Pope has the current Pope, Pope Francis
Speaker 2: has given some folks hope that he was going to
Speaker 2: be more inclusive, and he's tried to be inclusive individually,
Speaker 2: but he reiterated that he does not the Church does not.
Speaker 2: The Bible does not condone homosexual activities. So yes, they
Speaker 2: are very clear on that.
Speaker 1: So here we go now with Pope Folks Sai at
Speaker 1: the top. Pope Francis and Harrison Bucker have something in common,
Speaker 1: but the thing they don't have in common is that
Speaker 1: now one of them has apologized for comments that they
Speaker 1: made that came across as that were offensive to many people.
Speaker 1: And the person we're talking about now is Pope Francis,
Speaker 1: who was at I believe it was last week, a
Speaker 1: conference of bishops.
Speaker 2: It was a private conference.
Speaker 1: It was private, so yes, he will nobody, no recording
Speaker 1: devices in there. This wasn't for public consumption, but it
Speaker 1: came out of that, and initially tabloids, but then reporting
Speaker 1: by Italian newspapers that he made a comment, used a
Speaker 1: word that is absolutely a slur, a gay slur, in
Speaker 1: front of these bishops, and that has now gotten out right.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting. I guess you can't
Speaker 2: even keep a circle of bishops tight lipped. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a gossip is everywhere? Is that kind of amazing
Speaker 2: that in this private, you know, bishop, you know, private
Speaker 2: meeting there at the Vatican, that somehow it would get out,
Speaker 2: and all of the newspapers, the Italian newspapers who cided
Speaker 2: what the Pope said, said sources, so more than one
Speaker 2: bishop apparently, or it got out told someone who told
Speaker 2: someone that the Pope made this slur when referring to
Speaker 2: not wanting gay priests or priests who identify as gay,
Speaker 2: who have an active gay lifestyle, or who even say
Speaker 2: that they have deep seated feelings of homosexuality should not
Speaker 2: be allowed into the priesthood.
Speaker 1: Now you got that word, because I was always fascinated
Speaker 1: by that line, deep seated homosexual tendency. So that's what
Speaker 1: it was. So we were discussing this earlier and discuss
Speaker 1: whether or not we wanted to do this at the
Speaker 1: topic on the podcast at all, and we decided no,
Speaker 1: we didn't because sources say. We always our little warnings
Speaker 1: go up. What sources yes, So we did and feel
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about it when it was sources say, and
Speaker 1: this sword da da uh. Well, the Pope has now
Speaker 1: in just the past few hours since we came into
Speaker 1: the studio, has put out an official apology, an apology
Speaker 1: from the Vatican about the statement and the word that
Speaker 1: the Pope used, however.
Speaker 2: Robes it's oddly phrased, it's.
Speaker 1: Odd phrased, and I quote the Pope never intended to
Speaker 1: offend or express himself in homophobic terms, and he extends
Speaker 1: his apologies to those who felt offended by the use
Speaker 1: of a term as reported by others end quote.
Speaker 2: It's not acknowledging that he said it, so it's acknowledging
Speaker 2: that other people said he said it. And if what
Speaker 2: people said he said offended you, he apologizes. That's I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just think that's unnecessary. If you're gonna apologize,
Speaker 2: just apologies. It's interesting he didn't own, he didn't deny
Speaker 2: saying it. Obviously he wouldn't have apologized, but he's not
Speaker 2: fully admitting that he said it, so it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's a little strange. I was at first, really I
Speaker 2: was happy to hear because this is extremely rare for
Speaker 2: a pope to apologize for, you know, the Vatican, to
Speaker 2: release a statement like this of apology. And I also
Speaker 2: was hopeful because I thought, isn't that what it's all about.
Speaker 2: We all make mistakes. The pope is said, I'm a sinner.
Speaker 2: We're all sinners, So to hear someone apologize is so
Speaker 2: refreshing and wonderful, coming from the position he's in to
Speaker 2: encourage other people to do the same, to acknowledge, hey,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said that. I guess I just was
Speaker 2: a little I was disappointed that it fell short of
Speaker 2: acknowledging that he said it, but I guess at least
Speaker 2: something's better than nothing. I don't know how far it goes,
Speaker 2: if it went far enough for people, I don't know
Speaker 2: what the reaction is. But obviously this has always been
Speaker 2: a tough topic for Catholics because I know, I personally
Speaker 2: know and love many gay Catholics. A lot of homosexual
Speaker 2: folks who still want to be a part of the church,
Speaker 2: still want to be a part of a faith that
Speaker 2: they believe in and yet somehow feel ostracized by So
Speaker 2: I know the pope in recent years had tried to
Speaker 2: bridge the gap, saying he would bless people who were
Speaker 2: getting married, but not blessed the union. It was very specific.
Speaker 2: It's everything's threading a needle.
Speaker 1: There you go, and it's just it's.
Speaker 2: Frustrating because it it doesn't go into full acceptance.
Speaker 1: There we go, and therein lies the problem. A lot
Speaker 1: of people gave Pope France has a lot of credit. Actually,
Speaker 1: even if you don't change the church's stance on homosexuality,
Speaker 1: you can still change the approach, you can change the
Speaker 1: tone and how you talk about and I think he
Speaker 1: has gotten credit a lot of credit for that. And
Speaker 1: so here we go with something to what you were
Speaker 1: just saying about homosexuality and gay marriage. He comes out,
Speaker 1: he says one thing, and then the next day he
Speaker 1: has to come back and clarify. And that is what
Speaker 1: keeps people now like, h what is feeling better about it?
Speaker 1: Because now he said something that a lot of people
Speaker 1: say are absolutely wrong. He comes out and makes a statement,
Speaker 1: but still it seems to fall short. It seems to
Speaker 1: and I don't know any of this is lost in translation.
Speaker 1: Some are arguing that what he said was lost in
Speaker 1: translation because he was speaking in Italian, even though I
Speaker 1: believe didn't he grow up in an Italian speaking household,
Speaker 1: So they say it was a colloquialism that kind of
Speaker 1: got lost. He didn't realize he was saying something that
Speaker 1: was that offensive. Maybe that's the truth, But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, can't we give thee the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt?
Speaker 2: Or should we?
Speaker 1: Can we?
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we should hopefully give everyone
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. I mean, isn't that the
Speaker 2: spirit of what he's trying to say? And he's been
Speaker 2: trying to create a real feeling of unity and inclusion.
Speaker 2: It's just tough with any religion, but especially Catholicism. It's
Speaker 2: so storied in its history and dealing with so many,
Speaker 2: so many issues that we don't even have to get
Speaker 2: into here. But obviously, you know, power corrupts, and you
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of cleaning up to do and
Speaker 2: a lot of making amends I think to a lot
Speaker 2: of folks who have felt offended along the way from
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus community. Two women as I've talked about earlier.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of folks who do feel ostracized,
Speaker 2: and I know the church knows they have to do
Speaker 2: work to try and bring people back or at least
Speaker 2: include people into these conversations so that they don't feel
Speaker 2: like they're ostracized. That's been a huge problem. So anyway,
Speaker 2: it's it's I just I was happy to see that
Speaker 2: he apologized, but a little frustrated it the fact that
Speaker 2: it fell short.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it feel short. But again, here's this,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is just one of those things
Speaker 1: and one of these stories that you keep trying to
Speaker 1: give somebody to have been with the doubt, but to
Speaker 1: somebody from the LGBTQ plus community that heard it first
Speaker 1: of all and was heard by it, and then you
Speaker 1: have to hear the apology. But there are some who've
Speaker 1: come out and are defending him in what he said,
Speaker 1: and we get, but this was the guy, right Who
Speaker 1: am I to judge?
Speaker 2: We might to judge that was him. Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: went a huge way, A long way, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: and that that has that that sentiment hopefully is something
Speaker 2: we can build on, I guess is the best way
Speaker 2: to put it, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well finally here, folks, we hope if you've been
Speaker 1: listening to us here that when you finished listening to us,
Speaker 1: you'll pick up the phone and you will really give
Speaker 1: serious consideration to messaging someone that you have been putting
Speaker 1: off messaging for quite some time. Robot and I've been
Speaker 1: talking about this. I can't remember which day it was,
Speaker 1: but you saw my mood and my tone could totally change.
Speaker 1: I got a message last week. Wasn't last week. I
Speaker 1: could probably look it up here, but from an old
Speaker 1: friend in Arkansas that was telling me that one of
Speaker 1: our colleagues had passed. And that colleague is someone that
Speaker 1: a lot of people are familiar with from television over
Speaker 1: the years, Alice Stewart, who was a CNN contributor, a
Speaker 1: political commentator, and she's been doing that for many, many years,
Speaker 1: but she also worked for Shoe Bachman's campaign, going to
Speaker 1: Huckabees campaign, Tech Cruise's campaign. She is she has been
Speaker 1: an absolute force in Republican politics and circles for a
Speaker 1: long time. And I'm not sure if all of us
Speaker 1: as have been around enough you've got a chance to
Speaker 1: be around her, know her, or see her in some
Speaker 1: way form of fashion.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she And I hate to say this because
Speaker 2: in this but we've called certain like she's a reasonable
Speaker 2: like I had to say reasonable Republican. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to say that in any in any negative way for
Speaker 2: other Republicans. It's just you often find people who go
Speaker 2: on television who are on the left or the right,
Speaker 2: and they're there to stir the pot into make incendiary
Speaker 2: comments that a people are listening to them and react
Speaker 2: to them, and they can build whatever social media presence
Speaker 2: are trying to do. But it's all for show. Very
Speaker 2: often it's not what they really feel or think. They're
Speaker 2: not there to be reasonable. They're not there to actually compromise.
Speaker 2: They're not there to actually to find a common ground.
Speaker 1: They're there to be asked to come back correct right.
Speaker 2: So that they can be you know, they can they
Speaker 2: can bring the fire, they can they can rally the base,
Speaker 2: they can say those things that pissed people off. And
Speaker 2: we've seen that obviously throughout our entire career. So it
Speaker 2: goes for both sides of the aisle. But she was
Speaker 2: one of the really reasonable, smart, amazing ones, you know,
Speaker 2: and she wasn't like the others, And maybe that's why
Speaker 2: maybe some of you don't know her name because she
Speaker 2: wasn't there to make a name for herself.
Speaker 1: But she's been around for quite a while in Republican
Speaker 1: circles as just being known as a great communications director
Speaker 1: and strategist. But I loved her on television. A lot
Speaker 1: of people did, because she was never She was always
Speaker 1: respectful of the person sitting across the table. We can
Speaker 1: fight all day long and disagree about some issue, but
Speaker 1: it was never nasty. But alice for me. My second
Speaker 1: job out of college was in Little Rock, Arkansas, at
Speaker 1: the CBS station, but my first interview in that market
Speaker 1: was at the NBC station. Now, have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of anybody doing this? My interview at the NBC station.
Speaker 1: They flew me down and I walked in. I had
Speaker 1: the morning I went to their morning meeting. They gave
Speaker 1: me an assignment. I had to go, handed me a
Speaker 1: phone book and a phone, gave me an assignment, and
Speaker 1: I was reporting for them that day. That was my interview.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that? Okay me, neither. I've
Speaker 1: never heard that anywhere else.
Speaker 2: And you were actually on television.
Speaker 1: I was live on the air that day and you
Speaker 1: did it from the Little Rock post office standing next
Speaker 1: to a bunch of post office boy and you didn't
Speaker 1: even have the job yet, didn't have job. I worked
Speaker 1: that day for free. I didn't know. So this is
Speaker 1: not okay.
Speaker 2: That's never happened in any of the job interviews.
Speaker 1: That was my interview. But I went into that interview
Speaker 1: that day sitting in that newsroom. I remember where I
Speaker 1: was sitting, phone book and a rotary phone, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: And sister, that first one that came over and was
Speaker 1: kind to me was Alice Stewart, who was a reporter
Speaker 1: at ka r K at the time, the NBC station.
Speaker 1: So I did my reporting that day. She was cool
Speaker 1: as all get out. I was on the air because
Speaker 1: the reporter, the news director from the CBS station said,
Speaker 1: hey man, he called me, let me a message. I
Speaker 1: got your tape here. I just looked up and saw
Speaker 1: you on TV at KRK.
Speaker 2: Please don't do.
Speaker 1: Anything before you come talk to me. That's a true story.
Speaker 2: So their experiment blew up in their face and got
Speaker 2: me another job at the competitor.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that put me in a position to where
Speaker 1: now I'm not working with Alice Stewart. She's my competitor
Speaker 1: for my years there, and she and I got close,
Speaker 1: and that was back in two thousand, two thousand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we remained friends to the day she passed, which
Speaker 1: was very recently. If you haven't hear, she was just
Speaker 1: out on a walk and had some type of medical emergency.
Speaker 1: No foul play or anything like that, so expected, but
Speaker 1: she was one that I am. I'm glad. There are
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends of mine robes right now who,
Speaker 1: after all that you and I have gone through the
Speaker 1: past year and a half, they have gotten messages from
Speaker 1: me saying, hey, don't want anything. But I've learned over
Speaker 1: the past year or so that when somebody's on my mind,
Speaker 1: I do not hesitate to reach out and say hello.
Speaker 1: A bunch of people have gotten that message. And you
Speaker 1: know what, Alice got that message from me. She got
Speaker 1: it in March and we went back and forth a
Speaker 1: little bit and she was having a busy day with
Speaker 1: something Trump related. But I saw her on and just
Speaker 1: reached out to say hello, And it's happened. It seems
Speaker 1: like a lot lately, but we just lose people on
Speaker 1: the spot on a dime.
Speaker 2: Their dog is walking a dog.
Speaker 1: Fifty eight years old, healthy marathon, her and she is
Speaker 1: actually one robes. Don't be offended. She was the first
Speaker 1: friend I had who was actually a marathon hew. And
Speaker 1: to this day, if you showed me a lineup of feet,
Speaker 1: I could pick out Alice's feet. I say that because
Speaker 1: I had a party at her place once over at
Speaker 1: her a place, she was talking to me about running,
Speaker 1: and she showed me her feet.
Speaker 2: And anyone who is a marathoner knows exactly what you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: And I said, holy hell, I will never be a runner.
Speaker 1: But you know what I sit here now with what
Speaker 1: two miss now yep, And if I could do anything
Speaker 1: right now, I would show Alice Stewart my feet. If
Speaker 1: I could do anything, I would just do anything to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. So she was a gem.
Speaker 1: And man, it sucks to lose somebody, but something like that.
Speaker 1: So we hope folks do not hesit day for a second.
Speaker 1: There is somebody at the bottom of your messages that
Speaker 1: has a just sitting there you never responded. Scroll down.
Speaker 1: They just make today the day. Don't don't hesitate to
Speaker 1: reach out and just say hello to somebody you do
Speaker 1: not know.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that you had just reached out
Speaker 2: to her and that's such an amazing feeling to know
Speaker 2: that she knew that you were thinking of her and
Speaker 2: that you were on her mind. She was on your mind,
Speaker 2: and you would never have known that that would be
Speaker 2: the last How many times in this past year have
Speaker 2: I looked back at the last message, never knowing it
Speaker 2: was going to be the last message? And it's just
Speaker 2: every time you see the headlines. We had a lot
Speaker 2: of celebrities this past few days that just met untimely
Speaker 2: deaths at way too young of an age. And it's
Speaker 2: just a constant reminder to me in my circle, and
Speaker 2: I love the impetus to other people to think about
Speaker 2: it in that way, like you just can't take people
Speaker 2: for granted and assume that we've got tomorrow. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that when we get off the
Speaker 2: air and just check in.
Speaker 1: Do you know who already? You're going to check in.
Speaker 2: With my mom? It's been a while, No, you know what?
Speaker 2: I feel bad. I start to realize when it goes
Speaker 2: more than a week and I haven't called her, it's
Speaker 2: on my mind, And so I'm going to do that today.
Speaker 1: Andy, who's on your mind? My No, No, Sydney, who's
Speaker 1: on your mind and Grandpa are all right, our two
Speaker 1: producers in the room telling us they're going to reach
Speaker 1: out to you.
Speaker 3: Know what.
Speaker 1: Lenny's on my mind, Byron's on my mind. Now talk
Speaker 1: to Montel this morning. There's several folks that, oh, I
Speaker 1: need to, I need to, I need to I need to.
Speaker 1: Oh I meanto, Uh that's no good, do it now,
Speaker 1: got to do it now. So, folks, we appreciate you
Speaker 1: always for spending some time here with us. By all
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Speaker 1: on vacation. You folks who prefer warm, quiet destinations. I
Speaker 1: really would appreciate you chiming in. We should let people
Speaker 1: just vote on where we're going.
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, we already bought the plane tickets, but maybe
Speaker 2: next time we did.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, folks, let's talk the also sh