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Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. In this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: What do Pope Francis and the kicker for the Kansas

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Speaker 1: that many found offensive. What do they not have in comment? Well,

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Speaker 1: only one of them has now apologized. Also, in this episode,

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Speaker 1: the most dangerous, treacherous, and possibly stupid highway ride of

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Speaker 1: my life happened over the Memorial Day weekend and Amy

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Speaker 1: Robach sat there and watched it happen. Also, what do

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Speaker 1: you do when your partner wants to plan your next

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Speaker 1: vacation to Jamaica but you want to take an Alaskan cruise?

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Speaker 1: How do you resolve that issue? And finally, folks, at

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Speaker 1: the end of this episode, we truly, truly hope you

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Speaker 1: will pick up your phone and message the person who

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Speaker 1: deserves a long overdue check in from you, and welcome

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Speaker 1: with all that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Roobes. Wow, I feel like I'm in the morning rundown.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got it with a lot's happened since we

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Speaker 1: were on these mics last I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But I like how the podcast is just mapped out.

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Speaker 2: It's great, I know, where we're going. I know where

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Speaker 2: you're taking me.

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Speaker 1: I like it. How about this? Where do you want

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Speaker 1: to go first? I want to start and get it

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Speaker 1: over with. The ride we took over the holiday weekend.

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Speaker 1: Hope everybody had a good Memorial Day. It was some

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Speaker 1: nasty weather up here that ruined the actual day for

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Speaker 1: folks here in New York. But generally we were learning

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Speaker 1: here from our producers in the room there was good

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Speaker 1: weather or the weekend in New York, which is not

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I think we had spectacular weather. I think

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Speaker 2: is fair to say Friday, Saturday, Sunday. The problem was

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Speaker 2: our travel days, which were Thursday and Monday, were not

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Speaker 2: just not spectacular, they were downright treacherous, severe thunderstorm warning. Treacherous.

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Speaker 1: Would you say I said dangerous? Would you say stupid?

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Speaker 1: As well? The ride? My ride was stupid. It was

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Speaker 2: Well given your level of experience. Yes, yes, we.

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Speaker 1: Have to explain that, to have to throw in an

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Speaker 1: insult as we were trying to tell this story. I'm trying, Andy,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to be open, right, I'm trying to be vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: And you hear that, and he heard it. He caught it.

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Speaker 1: I some no, it's stood out there or whatever. I'm

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Speaker 1: have a motorcycle that I'll ride around the city here.

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Speaker 1: I love it. But we were going to a lake

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Speaker 1: this weekend and took some time in Connecticut on the lake,

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Speaker 1: and I was so excited get to put the bike

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Speaker 1: going on in the FDR. Well there, it's beautiful. How

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Speaker 2: I think we just passed Yankee Stadium, okay, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden the skies turned black. So I was

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Speaker 2: You were in a motorcycle behind me.

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Speaker 1: So it was we got to where we were going,

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Speaker 1: and it was a wonderful time in Connecticut on the lake.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have the girls with us, no, no kids

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Speaker 2: It was peaceful and wonderful. No. No, no, we love

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Speaker 1: You're insulting everybody.

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Speaker 2: No, I was just teasing. But no, to your point,

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Speaker 2: it can be. And then yeah, mother Nature had other plans.

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Speaker 1: Other plans, But we had a good time. It was

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Speaker 1: a good trip. But part of this trip was discussing

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Speaker 1: another trip. Everybody's just guiding about vacation right now. A

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Speaker 2: Yes, basically I like to be very active during vacation,

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Speaker 2: So nothing I'm used to. I like direct flights too,

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Speaker 1: Okay, what since do Okay, we're just different on this.

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Speaker 1: I just unpacked these bags to get into this hotel,

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Speaker 2: When you know you're doing that, you don't actually unpack

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't take the time to unpack it all

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Speaker 2: because there's the I agree, that makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: This is not relaxing, is my point. No, no, no, again,

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Speaker 1: it's a different type of vacation. But what you described

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you take a trip, sometimes adventure. Okay, sometimes

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Speaker 2: of it is the relax like I've done. Those those

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Speaker 1: Okay, well maybe we'll get at that later. But we

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Speaker 1: the types of places we were they were very few

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, different contents. Nothing in the States on your list, right? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And that's very hard to narrow down. What do folks

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Speaker 1: do we we have have narrowed it down. I woke up,

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Speaker 2: If we had gone back and forth so many times?

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Speaker 2: What we did? I don't know if anyone else has

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Speaker 2: and then it gives you the prices all on a map.

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Speaker 2: So that narrowed things down. Because some places I would

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Speaker 2: So that helped us narrow it down. So where are

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Speaker 1: I didn't, sweetheart. You have watched eighty seven basketball games

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Speaker 1: No, okay, but I like, I'm not a fan of

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Speaker 2: That's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it very often, but I am learning

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Speaker 1: Okay, is that. Okay, is vacation not really our problem

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Speaker 1: The thing is that you need to be You don't

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the little stuff this is. But the hike

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Speaker 2: And every time I was going off on these adventures,

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Speaker 2: she was worried about me because adventures do usually involve

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Speaker 2: some level of risk, and so she was frustrated by

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Speaker 2: my idea of fun and my idea of adventure and travel.

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Speaker 2: So she's very happy to see me sitting peacefully somewhere

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Speaker 2: and not dangling off the side of something.

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Speaker 1: Well, you stick with me. Your mom's gonna love your

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Speaker 1: safe travel. The other thing we mentioned here at the

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Speaker 1: top that we actually did a previous episode here about

446
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Speaker 1: was Harrison Butker from the Kansas City Chiefs, the kicker there.

447
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Speaker 1: This is a few weeks ago he made at this point,

448
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Speaker 1: can remember the name of the college, but he made

449
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Speaker 1: a to a Catholic school in Kansas. In Kansas, he

450
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Speaker 1: made a commencement address that many people found offensive for

451
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Speaker 1: various reasons. They thought he was telling women to yes,

452
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Speaker 1: you get your degrees, but your most valuable thing you

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Speaker 1: could be doing is being a mother and being a

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Speaker 1: white a homemaker. Yeah, so he hasn't apologized and by

455
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Speaker 1: all he said, since it doesn't seem like he's gonna apologize,

456
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Speaker 1: almost doubled down. He made another speech recently in which he,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he acknowledged the controversy, but stuck to what

458
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Speaker 1: his beliefs were about Catholicism and what he believed about

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Speaker 1: the vocation of marriage.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, and he also, we should point out because

461
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Speaker 2: we did at the time as well. He also talked

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Speaker 2: about Pride Month in a in a very offensive way,

463
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Speaker 2: and that angered a lot of folks, as you might imagine.

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Speaker 2: In the LGBTQ.

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Speaker 1: No, and that one that was the one again we

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Speaker 1: talked about it here to what, Hey, this guy has

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Speaker 1: his right to his beliefs and a lot of these

468
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Speaker 1: beliefs come from Catholicism, and that's fine. You can take issue.

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Speaker 1: The LGBTQ plus comment was a kind of a throwaway,

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Speaker 1: a one line. He didn't delve into anything, and that

471
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Speaker 1: was the only thing that came across as unnecessarily unnecessary

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Speaker 1: and even mean, I think is what I said at

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Speaker 1: the time, just one line in which he was saying

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Speaker 1: he used the word pride about something else unrelated, and

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Speaker 1: he said, no, I'm not talking about the kind of

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Speaker 1: pride that has a whole month dedicated to it. It

477
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Speaker 1: was just a throwaway line and he believes it. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: But you as you talked about here, I mean Catholics,

479
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Speaker 1: Catholicism is very it's lots of people say, pretty clear

480
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Speaker 1: when it comes to its views on homosexuality.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Pope has the current Pope, Pope Francis

482
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Speaker 2: has given some folks hope that he was going to

483
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Speaker 2: be more inclusive, and he's tried to be inclusive individually,

484
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Speaker 2: but he reiterated that he does not the Church does not.

485
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Speaker 2: The Bible does not condone homosexual activities. So yes, they

486
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Speaker 2: are very clear on that.

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Speaker 1: So here we go now with Pope Folks Sai at

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Speaker 1: the top. Pope Francis and Harrison Bucker have something in common,

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Speaker 1: but the thing they don't have in common is that

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Speaker 1: now one of them has apologized for comments that they

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Speaker 1: made that came across as that were offensive to many people.

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Speaker 1: And the person we're talking about now is Pope Francis,

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Speaker 1: who was at I believe it was last week, a

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Speaker 1: conference of bishops.

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Speaker 2: It was a private conference.

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Speaker 1: It was private, so yes, he will nobody, no recording

497
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Speaker 1: devices in there. This wasn't for public consumption, but it

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Speaker 1: came out of that, and initially tabloids, but then reporting

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Speaker 1: by Italian newspapers that he made a comment, used a

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Speaker 1: word that is absolutely a slur, a gay slur, in

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Speaker 1: front of these bishops, and that has now gotten out right.

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Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting. I guess you can't

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Speaker 2: even keep a circle of bishops tight lipped. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a gossip is everywhere? Is that kind of amazing

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Speaker 2: that in this private, you know, bishop, you know, private

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Speaker 2: meeting there at the Vatican, that somehow it would get out,

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Speaker 2: and all of the newspapers, the Italian newspapers who cided

508
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Speaker 2: what the Pope said, said sources, so more than one

509
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Speaker 2: bishop apparently, or it got out told someone who told

510
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Speaker 2: someone that the Pope made this slur when referring to

511
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Speaker 2: not wanting gay priests or priests who identify as gay,

512
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Speaker 2: who have an active gay lifestyle, or who even say

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Speaker 2: that they have deep seated feelings of homosexuality should not

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Speaker 2: be allowed into the priesthood.

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Speaker 1: Now you got that word, because I was always fascinated

516
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Speaker 1: by that line, deep seated homosexual tendency. So that's what

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Speaker 1: it was. So we were discussing this earlier and discuss

518
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Speaker 1: whether or not we wanted to do this at the

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Speaker 1: topic on the podcast at all, and we decided no,

520
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Speaker 1: we didn't because sources say. We always our little warnings

521
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Speaker 1: go up. What sources yes, So we did and feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable talking about it when it was sources say, and

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Speaker 1: this sword da da uh. Well, the Pope has now

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Speaker 1: in just the past few hours since we came into

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Speaker 1: the studio, has put out an official apology, an apology

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Speaker 1: from the Vatican about the statement and the word that

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Speaker 1: the Pope used, however.

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Speaker 2: Robes it's oddly phrased, it's.

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Speaker 1: Odd phrased, and I quote the Pope never intended to

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Speaker 1: offend or express himself in homophobic terms, and he extends

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Speaker 1: his apologies to those who felt offended by the use

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Speaker 1: of a term as reported by others end quote.

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Speaker 2: It's not acknowledging that he said it, so it's acknowledging

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Speaker 2: that other people said he said it. And if what

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Speaker 2: people said he said offended you, he apologizes. That's I

536
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Speaker 2: don't know. I just think that's unnecessary. If you're gonna apologize,

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Speaker 2: just apologies. It's interesting he didn't own, he didn't deny

538
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Speaker 2: saying it. Obviously he wouldn't have apologized, but he's not

539
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Speaker 2: fully admitting that he said it, so it's I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's a little strange. I was at first, really I

541
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Speaker 2: was happy to hear because this is extremely rare for

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Speaker 2: a pope to apologize for, you know, the Vatican, to

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Speaker 2: release a statement like this of apology. And I also

544
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Speaker 2: was hopeful because I thought, isn't that what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: We all make mistakes. The pope is said, I'm a sinner.

546
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Speaker 2: We're all sinners, So to hear someone apologize is so

547
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Speaker 2: refreshing and wonderful, coming from the position he's in to

548
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Speaker 2: encourage other people to do the same, to acknowledge, hey,

549
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said that. I guess I just was

550
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Speaker 2: a little I was disappointed that it fell short of

551
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Speaker 2: acknowledging that he said it, but I guess at least

552
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Speaker 2: something's better than nothing. I don't know how far it goes,

553
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Speaker 2: if it went far enough for people, I don't know

554
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Speaker 2: what the reaction is. But obviously this has always been

555
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Speaker 2: a tough topic for Catholics because I know, I personally

556
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Speaker 2: know and love many gay Catholics. A lot of homosexual

557
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Speaker 2: folks who still want to be a part of the church,

558
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Speaker 2: still want to be a part of a faith that

559
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Speaker 2: they believe in and yet somehow feel ostracized by So

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Speaker 2: I know the pope in recent years had tried to

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Speaker 2: bridge the gap, saying he would bless people who were

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Speaker 2: getting married, but not blessed the union. It was very specific.

563
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Speaker 2: It's everything's threading a needle.

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Speaker 1: There you go, and it's just it's.

565
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Speaker 2: Frustrating because it it doesn't go into full acceptance.

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Speaker 1: There we go, and therein lies the problem. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people gave Pope France has a lot of credit. Actually,

568
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Speaker 1: even if you don't change the church's stance on homosexuality,

569
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Speaker 1: you can still change the approach, you can change the

570
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Speaker 1: tone and how you talk about and I think he

571
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Speaker 1: has gotten credit a lot of credit for that. And

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Speaker 1: so here we go with something to what you were

573
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Speaker 1: just saying about homosexuality and gay marriage. He comes out,

574
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Speaker 1: he says one thing, and then the next day he

575
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Speaker 1: has to come back and clarify. And that is what

576
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Speaker 1: keeps people now like, h what is feeling better about it?

577
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Speaker 1: Because now he said something that a lot of people

578
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Speaker 1: say are absolutely wrong. He comes out and makes a statement,

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Speaker 1: but still it seems to fall short. It seems to

580
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Speaker 1: and I don't know any of this is lost in translation.

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Speaker 1: Some are arguing that what he said was lost in

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Speaker 1: translation because he was speaking in Italian, even though I

583
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Speaker 1: believe didn't he grow up in an Italian speaking household,

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Speaker 1: So they say it was a colloquialism that kind of

585
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Speaker 1: got lost. He didn't realize he was saying something that

586
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Speaker 1: was that offensive. Maybe that's the truth, But at the

587
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Speaker 1: end of the day, can't we give thee the benefit

588
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Speaker 1: of the doubt?

589
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Speaker 2: Or should we?

590
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Speaker 1: Can we?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we should hopefully give everyone

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Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. I mean, isn't that the

593
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Speaker 2: spirit of what he's trying to say? And he's been

594
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Speaker 2: trying to create a real feeling of unity and inclusion.

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Speaker 2: It's just tough with any religion, but especially Catholicism. It's

596
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: so storied in its history and dealing with so many,

597
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: so many issues that we don't even have to get

598
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: into here. But obviously, you know, power corrupts, and you

599
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of cleaning up to do and

600
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Speaker 2: a lot of making amends I think to a lot

601
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Speaker 2: of folks who have felt offended along the way from

602
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Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus community. Two women as I've talked about earlier.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of folks who do feel ostracized,

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Speaker 2: and I know the church knows they have to do

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Speaker 2: work to try and bring people back or at least

606
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Speaker 2: include people into these conversations so that they don't feel

607
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: like they're ostracized. That's been a huge problem. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's it's I just I was happy to see that

609
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Speaker 2: he apologized, but a little frustrated it the fact that

610
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Speaker 2: it fell short.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it feel short. But again, here's this,

612
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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is just one of those things

613
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Speaker 1: and one of these stories that you keep trying to

614
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Speaker 1: give somebody to have been with the doubt, but to

615
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Speaker 1: somebody from the LGBTQ plus community that heard it first

616
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Speaker 1: of all and was heard by it, and then you

617
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Speaker 1: have to hear the apology. But there are some who've

618
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Speaker 1: come out and are defending him in what he said,

619
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Speaker 1: and we get, but this was the guy, right Who

620
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Speaker 1: am I to judge?

621
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Speaker 2: We might to judge that was him. Yeah, and that

622
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Speaker 2: went a huge way, A long way, you know, I mean,

623
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Speaker 2: and that that has that that sentiment hopefully is something

624
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Speaker 2: we can build on, I guess is the best way

625
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: to put it, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well finally here, folks, we hope if you've been

627
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Speaker 1: listening to us here that when you finished listening to us,

628
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Speaker 1: you'll pick up the phone and you will really give

629
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Speaker 1: serious consideration to messaging someone that you have been putting

630
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Speaker 1: off messaging for quite some time. Robot and I've been

631
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Speaker 1: talking about this. I can't remember which day it was,

632
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: but you saw my mood and my tone could totally change.

633
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Speaker 1: I got a message last week. Wasn't last week. I

634
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Speaker 1: could probably look it up here, but from an old

635
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: friend in Arkansas that was telling me that one of

636
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Speaker 1: our colleagues had passed. And that colleague is someone that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are familiar with from television over

638
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Speaker 1: the years, Alice Stewart, who was a CNN contributor, a

639
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Speaker 1: political commentator, and she's been doing that for many, many years,

640
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Speaker 1: but she also worked for Shoe Bachman's campaign, going to

641
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: Huckabees campaign, Tech Cruise's campaign. She is she has been

642
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: an absolute force in Republican politics and circles for a

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Speaker 1: long time. And I'm not sure if all of us

644
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Speaker 1: as have been around enough you've got a chance to

645
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: be around her, know her, or see her in some

646
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Speaker 1: way form of fashion.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she And I hate to say this because

648
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Speaker 2: in this but we've called certain like she's a reasonable

649
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: like I had to say reasonable Republican. I'm not trying

650
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: to say that in any in any negative way for

651
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Speaker 2: other Republicans. It's just you often find people who go

652
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Speaker 2: on television who are on the left or the right,

653
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Speaker 2: and they're there to stir the pot into make incendiary

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Speaker 2: comments that a people are listening to them and react

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Speaker 2: to them, and they can build whatever social media presence

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Speaker 2: are trying to do. But it's all for show. Very

657
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Speaker 2: often it's not what they really feel or think. They're

658
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Speaker 2: not there to be reasonable. They're not there to actually compromise.

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Speaker 2: They're not there to actually to find a common ground.

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Speaker 1: They're there to be asked to come back correct right.

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Speaker 2: So that they can be you know, they can they

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Speaker 2: can bring the fire, they can they can rally the base,

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Speaker 2: they can say those things that pissed people off. And

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Speaker 2: we've seen that obviously throughout our entire career. So it

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Speaker 2: goes for both sides of the aisle. But she was

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Speaker 2: one of the really reasonable, smart, amazing ones, you know,

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Speaker 2: and she wasn't like the others, And maybe that's why

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Speaker 2: maybe some of you don't know her name because she

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Speaker 2: wasn't there to make a name for herself.

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Speaker 1: But she's been around for quite a while in Republican

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Speaker 1: circles as just being known as a great communications director

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Speaker 1: and strategist. But I loved her on television. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people did, because she was never She was always

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Speaker 1: respectful of the person sitting across the table. We can

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Speaker 1: fight all day long and disagree about some issue, but

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Speaker 1: it was never nasty. But alice for me. My second

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Speaker 1: job out of college was in Little Rock, Arkansas, at

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Speaker 1: the CBS station, but my first interview in that market

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Speaker 1: was at the NBC station. Now, have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of anybody doing this? My interview at the NBC station.

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Speaker 1: They flew me down and I walked in. I had

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Speaker 1: the morning I went to their morning meeting. They gave

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Speaker 1: me an assignment. I had to go, handed me a

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Speaker 1: phone book and a phone, gave me an assignment, and

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Speaker 1: I was reporting for them that day. That was my interview.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that? Okay me, neither. I've

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Speaker 1: never heard that anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: And you were actually on television.

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Speaker 1: I was live on the air that day and you

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Speaker 1: did it from the Little Rock post office standing next

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of post office boy and you didn't

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Speaker 1: even have the job yet, didn't have job. I worked

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Speaker 1: that day for free. I didn't know. So this is

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Speaker 1: not okay.

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Speaker 2: That's never happened in any of the job interviews.

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Speaker 1: That was my interview. But I went into that interview

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Speaker 1: that day sitting in that newsroom. I remember where I

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Speaker 1: was sitting, phone book and a rotary phone, whatever it was.

699
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Speaker 1: And sister, that first one that came over and was

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Speaker 1: kind to me was Alice Stewart, who was a reporter

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Speaker 1: at ka r K at the time, the NBC station.

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Speaker 1: So I did my reporting that day. She was cool

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Speaker 1: as all get out. I was on the air because

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Speaker 1: the reporter, the news director from the CBS station said,

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Speaker 1: hey man, he called me, let me a message. I

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Speaker 1: got your tape here. I just looked up and saw

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Speaker 1: you on TV at KRK.

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Speaker 2: Please don't do.

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Speaker 1: Anything before you come talk to me. That's a true story.

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Speaker 2: So their experiment blew up in their face and got

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Speaker 2: me another job at the competitor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but that put me in a position to where

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Speaker 1: now I'm not working with Alice Stewart. She's my competitor

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Speaker 1: for my years there, and she and I got close,

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Speaker 1: and that was back in two thousand, two thousand, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we remained friends to the day she passed, which

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Speaker 1: was very recently. If you haven't hear, she was just

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Speaker 1: out on a walk and had some type of medical emergency.

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Speaker 1: No foul play or anything like that, so expected, but

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Speaker 1: she was one that I am. I'm glad. There are

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Speaker 1: a bunch of friends of mine robes right now who,

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Speaker 1: after all that you and I have gone through the

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Speaker 1: past year and a half, they have gotten messages from

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Speaker 1: me saying, hey, don't want anything. But I've learned over

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Speaker 1: the past year or so that when somebody's on my mind,

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Speaker 1: I do not hesitate to reach out and say hello.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of people have gotten that message. And you

728
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: know what, Alice got that message from me. She got

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Speaker 1: it in March and we went back and forth a

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Speaker 1: little bit and she was having a busy day with

731
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Speaker 1: something Trump related. But I saw her on and just

732
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Speaker 1: reached out to say hello, And it's happened. It seems

733
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Speaker 1: like a lot lately, but we just lose people on

734
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Speaker 1: the spot on a dime.

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Speaker 2: Their dog is walking a dog.

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Speaker 1: Fifty eight years old, healthy marathon, her and she is

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Speaker 1: actually one robes. Don't be offended. She was the first

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Speaker 1: friend I had who was actually a marathon hew. And

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Speaker 1: to this day, if you showed me a lineup of feet,

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Speaker 1: I could pick out Alice's feet. I say that because

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Speaker 1: I had a party at her place once over at

742
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Speaker 1: her a place, she was talking to me about running,

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Speaker 1: and she showed me her feet.

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Speaker 2: And anyone who is a marathoner knows exactly what you're

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00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 1: And I said, holy hell, I will never be a runner.

747
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Speaker 1: But you know what I sit here now with what

748
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Speaker 1: two miss now yep, And if I could do anything

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Speaker 1: right now, I would show Alice Stewart my feet. If

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Speaker 1: I could do anything, I would just do anything to

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Speaker 1: be able to do that. So she was a gem.

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Speaker 1: And man, it sucks to lose somebody, but something like that.

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Speaker 1: So we hope folks do not hesit day for a second.

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Speaker 1: There is somebody at the bottom of your messages that

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: has a just sitting there you never responded. Scroll down.

756
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: They just make today the day. Don't don't hesitate to

757
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: reach out and just say hello to somebody you do

758
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: not know.

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00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that you had just reached out

760
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: to her and that's such an amazing feeling to know

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00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: that she knew that you were thinking of her and

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00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: that you were on her mind. She was on your mind,

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Speaker 2: and you would never have known that that would be

764
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: the last How many times in this past year have

765
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: I looked back at the last message, never knowing it

766
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: was going to be the last message? And it's just

767
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: every time you see the headlines. We had a lot

768
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Speaker 2: of celebrities this past few days that just met untimely

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Speaker 2: deaths at way too young of an age. And it's

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Speaker 2: just a constant reminder to me in my circle, and

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Speaker 2: I love the impetus to other people to think about

772
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: it in that way, like you just can't take people

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Speaker 2: for granted and assume that we've got tomorrow. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do that when we get off the

775
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: air and just check in.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who already? You're going to check in.

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00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: With my mom? It's been a while, No, you know what?

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00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: I feel bad. I start to realize when it goes

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00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: more than a week and I haven't called her, it's

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Speaker 2: on my mind, And so I'm going to do that today.

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Speaker 1: Andy, who's on your mind? My No, No, Sydney, who's

782
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: on your mind and Grandpa are all right, our two

783
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: producers in the room telling us they're going to reach

784
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Speaker 1: out to you.

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: Know what.

786
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: Lenny's on my mind, Byron's on my mind. Now talk

787
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: to Montel this morning. There's several folks that, oh, I

788
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: need to, I need to, I need to I need to.

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Speaker 1: Oh I meanto, Uh that's no good, do it now,

790
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: got to do it now. So, folks, we appreciate you

791
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: always for spending some time here with us. By all

792
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: means right into us on our Instagram, at Amy and

793
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: TJ Podcast to let us know where we should go

794
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: on vacation. You folks who prefer warm, quiet destinations. I

795
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: really would appreciate you chiming in. We should let people

796
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: just vote on where we're going.

797
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, we already bought the plane tickets, but maybe

798
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Speaker 2: next time we did.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, folks, let's talk the also sh