1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna move the sticks. I'm Bucky Brooks and I 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: am here without my partner Danny Jeremiah. But this is 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna be an exciting show. Today. I have my man, 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Bruce Filman from the Athletic coming on to talk all 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: things football. And if you know Bruce, you know that 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: he is will connected and will plugged in. Man, Let's 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: just jump right to it. Let's get to my conversation 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: with Bruce film. Bruce, one of the big things that's 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: really impacted college football has been the n I O name, 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 1: image and likeness. When you take the coaches and administrators, 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: how has it impacted just the way teams are being 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: built in the college landscape, Bucky. I think the hardest 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: thing for coaches is they don't know really exactly how 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna land, meaning like, what will uh they be 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: able to do? What will they be able to offer? 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: How will it differ from somebody they're recruiting against. I 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of stuff up in the air. Um, 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I had a conversation probably about 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: ten days ago with I don't want to see who 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: it is. But it's somebody we both know who's a 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: college athlete who we knew through the Elite eleven, really 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: bright guy, and um, we had this conversation about kind 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: of how he saw it playing out for for people 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: like him, who's not like a superstar name, but as 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: a good player with a sizeable social media following. And 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: he was talking about, you know, as you know, most 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: guys who are college football players, they were probably the 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: star in their local community. And so does that mean 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: you could run a camp in your hometown or in 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: your area and maybe charged twenty five or fifty dollars 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: and you know, for a lot of kids, that's that 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: could be good money. That could be you know, if 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: you do too the course of a week and a 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: half or two weeks, that could be you know, five 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. But he made an interesting point. He said, 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, at my school, some of the gymnasts are 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: like rock stars and they have huge followings. And so 39 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: you take a lot of female al athletes, especially when 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: you know manle athletes we think of we think of 41 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: football and basketball, that those if you're great at it, 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: those leagues are gonna pay you a lot. Some of 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: these other sports don't really have that kind of uh 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: part of goals at the end of the rainbow necessarily, 45 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: and so he was like made the case. There's a 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of female athletes who I think I really have 47 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: a chance to make a lot of benefit here because 48 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: they do have big followings and yet maybe the sports 49 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: they are it's not like they're on national TV every weekend. 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: So how those schools are able to help leverage that 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: I think is is a challenge. But also a lot 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: of like strengthen conditioning programs. You know, they have like 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: a tailor made plan for Johnny Smith who might be 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: a tight end, and for Joe Jones who might be 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: a running back or whatever. They have the specifics for 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: how their bodies are. Our schools doing real deep dives 57 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: into each individual athlete student athlete to say, okay, this 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: kid has these interests, disconnections, this is where he's from, 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: this is a social media footprint right now. How can 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: we help them because there is a lot of opportunity there. Now. 61 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: It may not be Reggie Bush kind of money that 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: like if you're if you're just like an iconic player, 63 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: but I'm sure when you look back at your north 64 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Carolina team. There's probably more than a few guys who 65 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: didn't make it to the NFL who probably could have 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: benefited really nicely if the school and the program really 67 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: were out in front and embraced it. You know, It's funny, 68 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Buce there. There are a couple of different things in 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: that conversation that came to mind. You talked about guys 70 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: being really big stars in their hometown and how they 71 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: could benefit. So then I think about some of these 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: programs that throw a fence up around the backyard where 73 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: they really dominate in state recruiting, and they do it. 74 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: And so if you say you get a lot of 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: homegrown guys that are coming from these small towns where 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: they're still ours, is that an advantage for those teams 77 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: who have the ability to kind of be the big 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: show in the state. Like I think about North Carolina 79 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: and what Coach Brown has done in terms of bringing 80 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: in a bunch of North and South Carolinians, is that 81 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: an advantage? Does that change the way you're recruiting footprint 82 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: lands if you can be aild out the infrastructure to 83 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: really kill it in the n I L landscape, you 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: would think it would because it's almost like becomes this 85 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of feeder system, Like it's not an echo chamber, 86 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: but necessarily you know, you can say to that kid, 87 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: look your model. I guess it was about a year ago, 88 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: got a five star defensive back, ended up coming to 89 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: school early, and now all of a sudden, I think 90 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: you can show not just him, but you can show 91 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: that people from his high school and the people who 92 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: probably in all hit that region, who probably looked up 93 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: to him, and how this is how we have benefited him. 94 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: And it's more than just like for a lot of times, 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: I feel like, especially with us in the media, we 96 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of dumbed it down to the point where, oh, 97 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: can can this school get them to the league? Now? 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: Think about it? Whereas what else can this school do 99 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: for this athlete in addition to helping them get a degree, 100 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: in addition to developing some other skills. Now, I think 101 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: it can be really significant. It's a good point you're making, 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: because it's honestly one that I don't know if a 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of us and the media think in terms of 104 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: like on that degree of just yes, it can be 105 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: a recruiting benefit or recruiting asset, but also I think 106 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: how it can also you know, one of the things 107 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: you'd asked me about was, you know, how schools are 108 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: talking about I know some coaches are very skittish about 109 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: it because they are worried about how it might affect 110 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: the power structure of their program, meaning coaches up here, 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: players are down there. I don't know if they all 112 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: look at it that way. I know if you do, 113 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of a if it's a crude, 114 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, example of it. But I think they also 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: are worried about like little like you know, potential nightmare 116 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: scenarios in the locker room of how does this affect 117 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: team chemistry of who's making this money and and how 118 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: not only who's making this money, but who do they think? 119 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: Who do the players think we are putting our our 120 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: might behind? And I don't know. That's why I said, 121 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this yet, and I 122 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: don't know if anybody does. About how schools can they 123 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: cater to scholarships? You know, I mean, is that really 124 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: gonna be how it's gonna matter? Are they going to 125 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: really cater to five? Are they gonna cater to to 126 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: ten and be very strategic in that. That's something that 127 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: I think coaches are a little leery of at this point. Yeah, 128 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: what it sounds like, Bruce, It sounds like, just like 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: we've seen a change in the dynamics of the recruiting 130 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: staff and the coaching staff with some teams going to 131 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: the NFL model. It sounds like there's going to have 132 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: to be a liaison that handles the marketing and the 133 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: football stuff, like someone that is really tied in and connected, 134 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: that understands how to deal with it. You talk about 135 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: eighty five scholarship, can you have eighty five different quote 136 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: unquote marketing plans for those guys on your team, because 137 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: there is going to be potentially some I won't say discord, 138 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: but everyone is going to be looking at the haves 139 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: and the have nots. Who are the guys that are 140 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: getting the big marketing deals versus who's not? And why 141 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: is this person in this? And I maybe a better 142 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: player and all this It does sound like it could 143 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: be a bit of a headache. It could. And also 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: I think back to this, like there's a deal that's 145 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: gone on in the past couple of years as personnel 146 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: symposium more like the top recruiting analysts and the country 147 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: would meet. They didn't meet this past year because of 148 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: the pandemic, but the previous couple of years they did 149 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: in Nashville and they would all get together and I 150 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: remember Mark Pantoni, who's a long time recruiting guy with 151 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: for Urban Meyer, was at Florida now at Ohio State, 152 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: was talking about the way they message and it's not 153 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: really him, it's like people under him in terms of 154 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: how they connect and keep connecting with recruits with through Instagram, 155 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: and it's like almost subliminal advertising to keep getting you know, 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: the Buckeye logo or just so it's almost like they're 157 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: they're bombarding these, uh, the sixteen seventeen year olds with it, 158 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know on a daily basis, because 159 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: they know it's effective and they know probably other schools 160 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: are competing for that. So think about it through that 161 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: prism where you're saying they're gonna have to have liaisons. 162 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: I think you're right, because I think what really, you're 163 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: gonna start getting into our people who probably are not 164 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: versed normally in the college football, certainly not coaches. Now, 165 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: there may be coaches who may be more savvy about 166 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: how to deal with social media, Like I know, you 167 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: know there's an in that. Oh you Roy Manning, who 168 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: I think he's a defensive backs coach. He was at 169 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: Washington State and I remember seeing he would do these 170 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: little viral videos of himself in a car, kind of 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: like just to get people fired up. And then he 172 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: went to sail and I see still does it at Oklahoma. 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: I know there are guys and maybe there's one or 174 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: two on every staff who are very pretty savvy and 175 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: have a good feel for social media, But by and large, 176 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: when you're talking about leveraging these other things, this is 177 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: a different skill set that I have no doubt. Like 178 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: schools are already hiring people that they feel like are 179 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: versed in name, image and likeness. I think there's also 180 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: gonna be um. You know, they're gonna have to be 181 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: somebody who is football, people who are tied to it 182 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: as well. How do you manage it? How are we 183 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: just like what you said, the NFL model like right 184 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: now because of the portal, especially UM and the one 185 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: time transfer rule, you hear a lot of Okay, roster management. 186 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: That's a term. I don't know when I first heard 187 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: it in college football. I've heard it a lot lately. UM, 188 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: and that is something that is relatively new in terms 189 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: of how hands on they are. So now you're gonna 190 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: take this other part of it, and I think they're 191 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: gonna to be really hands on with that too. No, 192 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: it's funny you naturally took me to where I wanted 193 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: to go with the transfer portal because now I am seeing, 194 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: uh a shift in how teams are recruiting. It used 195 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: to be all about the high school kids and now, 196 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: but now it appears to be guys are plucking people 197 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: out of the transport portal combined with what you get 198 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: from the high school thing. And I just wonder how 199 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: is this going to affect the recruiting going forward, particularly 200 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: for the high school kids that are coming out, because 201 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: they appeared to be fewer spots. Maybe that may be 202 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: available for them than in the past. Absolutely, Look, I 203 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: mean Texas State to me, Jake's Babbottle, who is at 204 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Texas A and M West Virginia coach. He um has 205 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: taken the approach. Look, this is year three for him, 206 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: and I think he knows there's also a pressure on 207 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: him that they're looking he needs to win soon. I 208 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: don't know if he's if he's gonna have taking five 209 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: of the twenty five are gonna be high school players. 210 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: Almost all of them are gonna be transfers because I 211 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: think they know we need to win, and there's a 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: lot more pressure on coaches to win now. And I 213 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: think if you use the example of a lot of 214 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: teams used to take maybe five offensive linemen in the class, 215 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of those guys that be developmental. Even 216 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: if you have you, unless you have Jonathan Ogden coming 217 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: out of high school, most high school offensive linemen are 218 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: at least going to take a year before they're ready. 219 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: Maybe they may take three years before they're ready. A 220 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: lot of times coaches and then it's still a roll 221 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: of the dice. How are these kids bodies gonna respond 222 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: to either having to lose thirty pounds or gain fifty 223 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: or or whatnot. Whereas if, especially if you're a power 224 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: of five program, I think you could go back, because 225 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: we've seen this where they could go take a top 226 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: FCS offensive lineman or a MAC offensive lineman, or a 227 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: Sun Belt offensive lineman who maybe a guard and maybe 228 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: he's he doesn't have ideal length. Maybe you and you 229 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: and DJ would be like, he's a free agent. You know, 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: he's six one, But they list him at six three. 231 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: He's too ninety, but he's been in the weight room allot, 232 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: but he started for two years. You can roll the 233 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: dice on that guy because he's probably smart enough to 234 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: play guard or maybe center for you. He's not gonna 235 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: be a tackle does and have great length. But in college, 236 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: for the most part, you can get by with that 237 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: guy because you probably won't have a lot of mental 238 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: mistakes because he's played a lot. And I think what 239 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: you've seen and I can name like a dozen off 240 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: my head who are guys who went from smaller schools 241 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: two big programs, because those schools know, hey, he may 242 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: not be an All American, but it will probably start 243 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: for us, and he won't have a bunch of mental mistakes, 244 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and he also probably be good in the room. And 245 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: so I think you'll see people rolling the dice on 246 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: those kids. I also think you'll see kids you've you've 247 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: seen teams always roll the dice on. You know, the 248 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: former four star quarterback who got jumpy and was like, 249 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't a great fit, or maybe this or 250 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: that will roll the dice on him because maybe maybe 251 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: it will work out. And so, you know, I think 252 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: there's so many examples of that. And then the other 253 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: part of this is a lot of times kids see, oh, 254 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: I had this many offers out of high school. They 255 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: don't know that just because school X in the Big 256 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: twelve offered them out of high school, they may know 257 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: that school may not have a spot for you now. 258 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: So just because they were interested in you two or 259 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: three years ago, that may that you know that may 260 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: not be there. And so I think there's gonna be 261 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of players who do not have scholarship spots 262 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: landing anywhere depending on what the word is out about them. Yeah, 263 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: it's funny because you talked about it, because it is 264 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: a bit of a game of musical chairs, and it's 265 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: always been that way for quarterbacks. And I kind of 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: want to go down the road of when it comes 267 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: to recruiting quarterbacks because so many guys do get jumping 268 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: and they are leaving. How are coaches changing their approaches 269 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: when it comes to bringing in a quarterback or two 270 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: in a recruiting class due they expect one of those 271 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: to say, are you just We're always just gonna keep 272 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: recruiting quarterbacks because we know these guys are subject to lete. 273 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: I think they know the latter because I think for 274 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and I've talked to some coaches 275 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: would be like, this is the best quarterback room we've 276 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: had in years, because you look at it goes, Okay, 277 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: we got two guys compete for the starting job who 278 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: both can play, and maybe you have a third guy 279 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: who's a talented freshman who either was early enrolie or 280 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: has just had his freshman year. And then they we like, 281 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: who we just got committed, So you know, yeah, you 282 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: feel like you have four. The reality is, if you 283 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: make the decision of who's going to be the starter, 284 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: you probably lost that other kid who could play. And 285 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: then if you go with the younger player, if it's 286 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: between a sophomore and a senior, you may lose the 287 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: freshman because he's like, I'm not gonna sit for three years. 288 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, you're really down to 289 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: one scholarship quarterback. And I think that kind of that's 290 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: another aspect of roster management, but I think those are 291 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: the considerations because you almost never see the quarterback who 292 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: is Mac Jones who stayed and stayed and even though 293 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: people were like, you know, now we got Bryce Young's 294 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: in the pipeline, you're probably not gonna play here. He's 295 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: to me the exception of the guy. And I'm not 296 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: saying he's the only one who's done it, but you 297 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: just see a lot of times guys don't want to 298 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: wait or they just feel like, you know, what the 299 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: hand writings on the wall, and that happens so much, 300 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: especially because quarterbacks, I think they know. It's different if 301 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: you're a receiver, if you're a defensive line and you 302 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: can get in the rotation. There's really not a rotation 303 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: to get into if you're a quarterback, so you either 304 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: either get playing time or you don't. Yeah, it's funny 305 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: when you think about playing time and how important it 306 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: is in the development of the quarterbacks. We want to 307 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: see those guys, and playing time was an issue at 308 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: the end of the season when it came to him 309 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: to bowl season. We were seeing more guys opt out 310 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: of bowl games now more than ever, and I believe 311 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: that was part of the driving force behind the talks 312 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: of the expansion of the playoffs system. What are your 313 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on college football potentially expand into twelve teams when 314 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: it comes to the playoffs. I think Bucky so much 315 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: of it is the power brokers of the sport realize that, 316 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: you know what, come late October, definitely November, a lot 317 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: of games for each league that normally would be must c. 318 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: TV don't care because right now, you know, ESPN or 319 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: even whoever doing games is really only focused in on 320 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: who are the top six teams because that's who has 321 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: a shot to get in the playoff. It's basically playoff 322 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: or bust. So that USC Oregon game where both teams 323 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: probably have two losses into early um November or whatever, 324 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: or you know, you could pick this, you know, the 325 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: game in the Big twelve. It may have conference implications, 326 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: but like if Iowa State wins, no, they're not going 327 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: to the playoff, or if or if um, you know, 328 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Penn State wins unfortunately, you know, for for them, they 329 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: have two losses. You know, so you pick the schools, 330 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: they could be top ten, they could be around fifteen. 331 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: That game should be a big game, and it's not 332 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: unless you're a fan of those schools. And I think 333 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: the power brokers of the sport, including the TV people, 334 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, made the realization this is not great for everybody. 335 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's good for Alabama, it's good for Clemson, 336 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: and maybe it's good for Ohio States. Some times after 337 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: that it doesn't work out great, and I think it 338 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: doesn't work out great for the Big twelve. It doesn't 339 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: work out great sometimes for the Big Ten, certainly for 340 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: the Pact twelve, and it really doesn't work out great 341 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: for the Group of five because they had been marginalized 342 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: even further when you see Cincinnati had a really good 343 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: team last year and they were kind of had a 344 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: glass ceiling. You no, no matter what they did, it 345 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: was not going to help them. And so this will 346 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: I think, like most people think this will bring in 347 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: a lot more money and obviously after the pandemic financial concerns, 348 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: or even more than they normally are, you know, but 349 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: it appears like they're trying to kick the can down 350 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: the road, like they're talking about waiting four or five 351 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: years before this goes in. Bruce, And my mind, this 352 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: has to happen ACEP because you're going to lose the 353 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: answers of a lot of kids who will just go 354 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: on and forego their last couple of games and get 355 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: into the league. And you're, my, when do you think 356 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: this system could be set up and actually implemented from 357 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: what I understand, the earliest that could go in is 358 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: basically because they've kind of committed to this bowls cycle. 359 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: And one of the things that you know, I I've 360 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: covered college football for twenty years and I still have 361 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: a hard time wrapping my mind around how um trying 362 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: to think of like a not nasty way of saying, like, 363 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: how beholden the college football power brokers are to the 364 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: bowl games and where it seems nonsensical after a while, 365 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: but they are, and even when they try to, you know, 366 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: they just can't quit them, you know, kind of thing 367 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: where it becomes like irrational. Now, maybe they can they 368 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: look and say, hey, we're gonna go to the open 369 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: market and see what kind of bidding war we can 370 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: get for a twelve team playoff five years from now, 371 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: and maybe that will be a lot of money. But 372 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: as you said, you know, when you put that carrot 373 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: out there and you have to wait four years for it, um, 374 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: you know that's gonna be You know, I don't know, 375 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: this is not me because I will, you know, I'll 376 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: watch I was watching games and you know, two months ago. 377 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: But I think there are a bunch of football all fans, 378 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: whether they're NFL fans or college they're football fans who 379 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: are like, you know what, call me when you have 380 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: the twelve teams and you know, I'm good with seeing 381 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen I've seen this movie before with 382 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: Alabama and Clemson. I don't you know, I'm not I'll 383 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: watch it maybe probably, but I think they're you know, 384 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: an l s U had that role two years ago 385 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: that got people excited. There was some new there, and 386 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: I think people want that um around the sport. And 387 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: as you said, I'm with you, I'm I kind of 388 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: thought the way they talked about it being the power 389 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: brokers of the sport, they sounded like there was a 390 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: lot of momentum, and I'm sure there's some momentum, but 391 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: the way they handle the pr of college football playoff 392 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: is mind boggling. It's just a really um just a 393 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: they're kind of idiots about it, you know, there's no 394 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: other way to say it. They do stuff and then 395 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: you find out, you're like, that makes no sense. It 396 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: makes no sense. And if you had anybody who really 397 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: cared about the sport, who is driving the pr aspect 398 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: of it, they could figure out a roadmap to roll 399 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: this out much better than what you guys did where 400 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: you just kind of like dumped a bunch of stuff 401 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: on the table then walked away and tried to say, Okay, 402 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: everybody else figure it out for a while. I mean, 403 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: it just makes no sense. It really doesn't make any sense. 404 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that somehow they can figure it out, because 405 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: I believe if you look at the college basketball model, 406 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: where March madness is big, a lot of times we 407 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: don't even really talk about the champion. The big thing 408 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: is can you be in the final four? And I 409 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: think if you can create a situation for coaches where 410 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: the playoffs are viewed as special in terms of a 411 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: you don't win it, but you're a playoff team, it 412 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: allows you maybe to put a banner up in the 413 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: stadium saying that you were a playoff participant. I think 414 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: it kind of changes the stuff. And I think we 415 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: all want to see these games that matter down the stretch, 416 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: and with the tenuous nature of I would say the 417 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: purse strings and the amount of money that's going to 418 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: coaches and those things they have to be But I 419 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: don't think if I'm a coach, I have to be 420 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: able to kind of validate why I'm making this money. 421 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: If I can get a playoff team, if I can 422 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: give a team to the playoffs, I think it will 423 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: do something to kind of push that narrative like, oh, 424 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: we do have a good coach. We don't need to 425 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: move it on because right now it's really four and done. 426 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: If you're not into four, you're not gonna do it. 427 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: And it's three or the four that are the same 428 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: every year, right and I look, and I think there's 429 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: a few schools that maybe it's like national title or bust. 430 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, look at l s U is one of 431 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: those because the last have been there. Of all one 432 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: national titles, less one one. Obviously you're on one one, 433 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: but beyond that in Ohio State, I think, you know, 434 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: if you're Oklahoma, now you're like, okay, Lincoln Rally has 435 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: had gotten us there a few times. Can we get 436 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: over the hump? But if you're Penn State, if you're 437 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: or if you an Oregon has been there at the beginning, 438 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: but but they've been down for a little bit now. 439 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you Florida hasn't been there. 440 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: If your look at your alma materity, if they got there, 441 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: that would be a huge deal. If Miami got there. 442 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: Even though Miami's won a bunch of national titles, it's 443 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: been a a long time. That would be a huge deal. 444 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: It would be a huge deal for Texas because I 445 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: think all these even these blue blooded programs have been 446 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: in the in the dark and in the shadows for 447 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: a while because that's the stuff that matters. Now, it's 448 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: the only stuff that really matters. It is and so 449 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: then when it comes to mattering in college football, it's 450 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: all about the quarterback. Uh As, NFL fans or whatever, 451 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: we we we always love the quarterback. You have an 452 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: opportunity this weekend at a lead of leven, not only 453 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: to see the next generational quarterbacks in terms of the 454 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: high schools, but they're gonna be some interesting NFL prospects 455 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: that are there. I think Spencer Rattler, Sam how Malik Willis, 456 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: all those guys skills would be there. What do you 457 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: know about those guys? Uh? So, we'll start with Malik Willis. 458 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: So I did some story for The Athletic where I 459 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: spent a bunch of time talking to uh to NFL 460 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: position coaches mostly, and at one point one of the 461 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: guys I talked to said, you know this, is there 462 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a quarterback draft, a quarterback heavy draft class, 463 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: because I'm not really sure. I don't know if people 464 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: are sold on what's coming out next. They're like, you know, 465 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: Sam how some people like him, some people love him, 466 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: But you don't feel the same way quite that you 467 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: had with Trevor Lawrence seemed like a no brainer. Justin 468 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: Fields felt like no brainer. You knew Trey Lance might 469 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: come out, and you knew there was a lot of 470 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: stuff to like about him. After Sam, how you start 471 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: getting into m I don't know about Keaton Slovis. You know, 472 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: he had a kind of a rough year last year. 473 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: He's got some injuries. You know, you wonder and then 474 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: this one guy said, you know, the mark the liberty 475 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: quarterback is interesting And I was surprised because all I, 476 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, I have seen Malik Willis play. I knew 477 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: he could run, and I knew he had a good arm, 478 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: but I didn't know I'll be honest. I watched him 479 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: for one game and the book on him from the 480 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: people around Auburn was he can't throw. So you got 481 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: a guy who quote a lot of people had the 482 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: perception can't throw. And then you start talking to people. 483 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: And I called a couple of coordinators who played him 484 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: this year, the defensive coordinator at the Coastal Carolina who, 485 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: by the way, he was like, they beat They held 486 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson the seventeen points and he was like, he 487 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: was like, cool, the singing will handedly beat us. I 488 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: talked to Tony Gibson from NS. He said, they did 489 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: a really good job of containing him. He's like, but 490 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: I had nightmares watching that that kid on film. He 491 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: has a cannon for an arm. Then you talked to 492 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: Quincy Avery, who we both know pretty well and Web 493 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: and coach. Quincy has been around some you know, he 494 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Tray Lance. Um, I 495 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I'd defer to you on this. Trey Lance 496 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: one of the strongest and not the strongest arm in 497 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: this quarterback class, right, And he said, no doubt, this 498 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: kid has a much bigger arm than Trey Lance. You 499 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: know he's seen those guys throw up. From what I understand, 500 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: Trey Lance made the comment, so all those are great, 501 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: he's tools. I get it. He can run. People like 502 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: his work ethic, people like that he's humble. I know 503 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: that Liberty guys really speak highly of it. So now 504 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: can he clean up his game even more? Um? And 505 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: can he can he keep advancing? I think he's a 506 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: really he's one of the most interesting quarterbacks out there 507 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: because of his physical skill set and because of the 508 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: the way he's responded from people writing him off coming 509 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: out of mur I think that's really cool, and so 510 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: we'll see where he goes UM from here. You mentioned 511 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: Sam how I mean, I remember liking him when he 512 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: was a quarterback at the elite Levan. I know DJ 513 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: mentioned Baker Mayfield. He actually looked a little like Baker Mayfield, right. 514 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: He had a little of the of the juice to him, 515 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: you know where you just kind of watch him. He 516 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: had a chip on his shoulder a little bit. He's 517 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: in a really good system for him, I think, you know, 518 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: talking to coaches in that league. So he lost two 519 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: terrific running backs too, terrific receivers. Now I know Deamy 520 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: Brown's younger brother Dynamite and can Lie Um and there's 521 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: there's still some good skill guys. But now now it's 522 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: his show entirely, and I want to see how he 523 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: does with that. I mean, I'd be surprised if he's 524 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: not an all America. Wouldn't shock me if he won 525 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: the Heisman. You know, I think he's that good, right, 526 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: And look, I mean there's enough guys back there where 527 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: I could see him putting up huge numbers. I could 528 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: I would definitely see him as a first round kind 529 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: of guy. Um, and then the other two guys. You know, 530 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: I know dtr is gonna be there. We both have 531 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: seen Brian Thompson Robinson for probably five years. He's a 532 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: former receiver who played one year a high school quarterback. 533 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: It's pretty coming out of his hands. He can run, 534 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: He's intelligent. The thing with him from talking to coaches 535 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: who faced him, they're like he's a little bit of 536 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: an enigma where sometimes he looks great and sometimes it's 537 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: like are you trying to be Superman on every play? 538 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: You know? And um, I feel like he still he 539 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: is close to being really good. I'm not saying close 540 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: to be in a playoff team, and I I think they 541 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: us to be in like a top twenty kind of team. 542 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: And if he can be, if he can clean up 543 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: the mistakes and maybe play within himself a little more 544 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: and just let the game come to him more, I 545 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: think he can have a great year. Um, you know, 546 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: and so of that group, who's the fourth one? Again 547 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: it's a d TR like, No, this is a great 548 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: pause because I want to have a separate conversation on 549 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler from Oklahoma. I can't remember if he's gonna 550 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: be there or not, but yeah, there's a lot of 551 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: conversation about Spencer Rata. There's a lot of conversation about 552 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: him being the number one guy in this class. I 553 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: remember a few years ago in Dallas. I want to 554 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: say he was the elite eleven m v P hot 555 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: shot arm. I got a chance to watch him on 556 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: QB one and there were things that you like, but 557 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: they were also not reflected, but things that you just 558 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: kind of raised the eyebrow, eyebrow, eyebrow about when it 559 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: came to his personality and those demeanor than skill set. Right. Yeah, 560 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: so when you've been around the programmer, you talk to 561 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: people around Oklahoma, what did they say about the intenda 562 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: because the game is off the charts, but what did 563 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: they say about the intangible qualities that he show? You know, 564 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: there was an interesting comparison one of the guys in 565 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: the staff made. I said, there's a story I did 566 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago about like the guys I 567 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: would buy stock and these are kind of breakout players. 568 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: And I said, who would be that guy at Oklahoma? 569 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: And this guy said he mentioned Mario Williams is a 570 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: young receiver. But he was like, the guy, I want 571 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: to give you a Spencer Rattler, but I know you 572 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: already think he's out there. And I was like, okay, well, 573 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: you know, kind of sell me on this. And the 574 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: guy said, listen, he's at the exact same stage in 575 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: his career, in his point in the system at Oklahoma 576 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: as Kyler Murray was. When Kyler Murray made a huge 577 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: jump in terms of from spring to season, and he 578 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: said his command of the offense and way way more decisive, 579 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: Like we see a difference now. They got really good, 580 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: They got really good receivers, and I think they are 581 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: much better. Like they didn't have Kennedy Brooks last year. 582 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: He's you know, he's back in. They got a really 583 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: good transfer running from Tennessee, who the guys in Tennessee 584 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: really liked and the guys at Olahoma really like. So 585 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: I think this is set up very well for Spencer Rattler. 586 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: I think that the thing that you alluded to, which 587 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: is something I think people get a little bit of 588 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: a feel for. It is um and I don't think 589 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: you're necessarily saying the quarterback needs to be humble with 590 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback needs to there is something there that I 591 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: think has rubbed a few, you know, a few people 592 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: the wrong way over time. I have not heard that 593 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: from people inside of Oklahoma this offseason. They seem to 594 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: really feel like he has a chance to to really 595 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: have a huge season. What you know, I'm trying to 596 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: separate like all the pre draft stuff that happens a 597 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 1: year out, I feel like stuff gets maybe baked before 598 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: you know it's ready. Um and I wonder if some 599 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: of that is was a five star And we've seen 600 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley do this time and time again. So we're 601 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna hedge our bets on that as opposed 602 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: to what do we really see that's so unique about 603 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: because not Spencer is not very big. He's not he's 604 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: not very big, He's kind of skinny and worried, he 605 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: doesn't have he's not a great athlete. I think, Yeah, 606 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm curious as to like what you guys 607 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: and and you know your colleagues see is saying, like, like, 608 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: I get why Trey Lance was like ended up where 609 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: he went because, yeah, there's some consistency issues, but he's 610 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: six three to thirty, has a huge arm. People rave 611 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: about his intangibles who've coached him and worked with him. 612 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: He's also fast enough where when things don't go great, 613 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, he could do the same some of the 614 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: same stuff Josh Allen did with the Bills when he 615 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: was a rookie when he didn't have anything around him, 616 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: and like the intangibles part, like all the like I 617 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: would and again it's not my money, but I would 618 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: miss on that kid. I would be willing to go, Okay, 619 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my chick on that because there's enough 620 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: stuff because of the work ethic, because of the football smarts, 621 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: because of the demeanor and the temperament and the physical 622 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: whether the consistency is there with some of these other ones, 623 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: it's a little more let the buyer be wear kind 624 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: of thing, you know. I don't know, we'll see. I mean, yeah, 625 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a tough one and I might 626 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: be a little too close to it. Like having coached 627 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: at the Elite eleven and coached against him. Um, there 628 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: is something to be said for like too cool for 629 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: school type attitude and demeanor, Like there's a bit of 630 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: that that kind of maybe just stuck out now when 631 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: you're around all these quarterbacks when they're like sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, 632 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: like they all think they're kind of like that back then, 633 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: did you think that? See? I felt like with Kyler 634 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: what was different is like Kyler was quiet and he 635 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: had that look, man, I know I'm the guy because 636 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: I've done it in a big time stage in Texas, 637 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: like this is what we do, we win. Spencer was 638 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: more vocal and overt with it, and I felt like 639 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: there were times when a mistake was made he wouldn't 640 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: own it. It always was something else. And and maybe 641 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: that's part of me being like a coach, a high 642 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: school coach to them like come on, dude, just own 643 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: this so we can move on, as opposed to like, 644 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: oh no, it's this his dad or whatever, and so 645 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: look first impression, I'm hoping I can get passes or whatever. 646 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: But it was very very similar to like how I 647 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: feel with other guys, and it just kind of sitting 648 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: you got so I'll be excited to kind of get 649 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: around them and see if that's changed, and also to 650 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: see what it looks like this year for Oklahoma because 651 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: to be honest, he's only played one real year at Oklahoma, 652 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Year two by the way. Yeah, a weird year, so 653 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: funky off season. Yeah, so this would be a chance 654 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 1: for us to really see it. I want to get 655 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: you out of here on this because you wrote a 656 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: piece in The Athletic on Trent dial first quarterback. Tell 657 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: me about trying difference quarterback and what's so unique about him? 658 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: So this is Luther Richardson and his dad. First of all, 659 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: the pedigree is fascinating. The dad is a longtime NFL 660 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: strength coach, Luke Richardson, who was with the Texans and 661 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: with the Broncos and UM. And I'll stay this first. 662 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: And like, so when I talked to Trent and Joey 663 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: Roberts and Joey's Trent's right him man, and you know 664 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: him well from UM. One of the things they talked 665 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: about was that how the relationship came to be. And 666 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: Trent didn't know Luke Richardson the dad, but he started 667 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: calling around because he knows a lot of people in 668 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: the NFL, and people were raving about him. My story 669 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: went up sometimes Sunday. It's basically twenty four hours ago 670 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: from what when we were talking. I can't tell you 671 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: how many people either former players that I know or 672 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: guys around the league who I know a little bit. 673 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying these are like guys I'm that close to, 674 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: but I've gotten texts from people that I know who 675 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: are like, I love the dad he was, He's he's special. 676 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm not at all surprised that he's raised the kid 677 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: who you wrote about. And so so there's that's the 678 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: dad the mom. Anita was in a Olympic world record 679 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: holder and swimming at fifteen, right, So think about those 680 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: two sports by the way, So you know it's like 681 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: you got to put in a lot of miles. Obviously 682 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: have to be great athlete, but you have to put 683 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: on a lot of miles to be an Olympic world 684 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: record holder as a fifteen year old swimmer and a 685 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: strength coach. So you know, like kind of the discipline 686 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of like what that in a positive way? Um, 687 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: And so when he was when he was twelve, his 688 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: dad was was the strength coach of the Broncos and 689 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: he's around Peyton manning a lot and they go to 690 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, and so he was like, you know, 691 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was a little too young to 692 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: know everything. But he could observe the leadership skills and 693 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: some of those other traits that he saw around the 694 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: team because he was around the team a lot. So 695 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: he put that to heart. He said, he was watching 696 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: a documentary on the Elite eleven and as you know, 697 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: as you know being around it, they've run a bunch 698 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: of documentaries and he was fascinated by Trent. The parents 699 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: were the dad and mom were looking for something different. 700 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: They were living in the in the Denver area, and 701 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: they google Trent Dilford saw that he had actually just 702 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: taken a job at this private Christian high school in 703 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: the Nashville area. They wrote a letter to admissions. It 704 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: eventually got to Trent. Trent did some calls. He was like, 705 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna take a chance on this kid. 706 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: And they have piled so much on his plate. Because 707 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: Trent was like, you know what, this kid seems to 708 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: handle everything and he's just got a great capacity to work. 709 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: What also is now unique about him in in the 710 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: era of one, he has no social media presence at all. 711 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: You know, snapchat, you no TikTok, no Instagram. Uh. Dilford 712 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: and Joey Roberts convinced him, you should at least start 713 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: a Twitter profile just so coaches can d M you. 714 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: So he did that. He's not really tweeted anything, but 715 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: that's a pipeline for coaches to reach out to him. 716 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: The other thing is he doesn't leave, like he doesn't 717 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: want to leave his team there because there there's the 718 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: way their school set up. He can practice and run 719 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: those workouts and work out with and be around the coaches. 720 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: So he has not camped anywhere. So so you take 721 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: this odd recruiting year that it's been where people haven't 722 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: been able to really leave their campus, and now for 723 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: the past month of June, where all these you know, 724 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: college kids, uh, college recruits have been all over the country, 725 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: he hasn't. So he did go to one or lead 726 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: eleven work out in Indianapolis and did really well. He 727 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: got a ticket to the finals. I think he's ranked 728 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: fifty six among quarterbacks by two four seven. But I 729 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: did talk to a Power of five coach who watched 730 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: his film and he's like really excited about him. The 731 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: six three. You know, I'm not saying he's going to 732 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: be Peyton Manning. I'm not saying they're saying he's gonna 733 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: be Uh, he's gonna be Trey Lands. But he's a 734 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: very he has a very interesting story, and as Joey 735 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: put it, it's a really interesting case study because so 736 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: many of these quarterbacks are around it. Alad eleven spend 737 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: a lot of their downtime, downtime and with their heads 738 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: buried in their cell phones on social media. And this 739 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: kid doesn't do any of it. Well, it's a fascinating 740 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: a watch. Can't wait to see him work out this weekend. 741 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you because I know you'll be 742 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: down to the event. We'll get a chance to catch 743 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: up in person. Not only talk about these high school kids, 744 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the college guys and everything that's going 745 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: on around college football. You want the best to do it. 746 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: Bruce Felman, thanks so much for coming on the move 747 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: to six podcasts. Always a pleasure. Thanks blocking as you expect, man, 748 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: Bruce has all of the insight and the intel. Great 749 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: conversation on name, image and likeness. Uh. We talked about 750 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: the transfer reportal but more importantly, we talked about these 751 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and who to watch, particularly Malik Willis from Liberty. 752 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: This should be an exciting college football season, so I 753 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: know we can have to bring Bruce back on later 754 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: to talk about it all um. So that's gonna do 755 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 1: it for it today's show. Thanks so much for checking 756 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: out Move the Sticks. Make sure you check out our 757 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: videos on NFL dot com Slash empty s video. Until 758 00:37:52,120 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: next time, Smooth the Sticks on Bucky Brooks. Talk to team, 759 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: talk to talk about what you want you. 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