1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Jist. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: and everybody. 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: You don't know if you don't lie about that, right, Lauren, Hey, y'all, 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: what's up. 6 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: It's Laura l Rosa and this is the latest with 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Laura l Rosa. This is your Deli dig on all 8 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of the conversations 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: that shake the room. Now today we are going to 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: be diving into Kamala Harris's book one hundred and seven 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: Days Now. The book has not been released yet, but 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: there was a three thousand word epsert from the book 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: published in the Atlantic which has been making the round. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris comes out and talks about how she really 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: felt about Biden running for reelection back in twenty twenty four, 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: and she's questioning whether this was loyalty, a great decision, 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: or was it recklessness And she says that it was 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: reckless for her to allow him to move forward with 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: running for reelection. 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: During that time. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Now, this is interesting because, as you guys know, we 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: have all been waiting to hear an honest truth about 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: how she really felt watching Joe Biden run for reelection 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: knowing that he shouldn't have knowing that even if because 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: even in this three thousand word epsird, Kamala Harri still 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: says that there was no big scheme to cover up 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: the fact that Joe Biden was incoherent. She says, many 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 2: people want to spend a narrative in some big conspiracy 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: at the White House to hide Joe Biden's infirmity. Here's 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: the truth as I lived it. Joe Biden was a 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: smart guy with a long experience and deep conviction, able 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: to discharge the duties of president. 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: On his worst day. 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: He was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. 36 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: But at eighty one, Joe got tired. That's when his 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: age showed in his physical and verbal stumbles. I don't 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: think it's any surprise that the debate debacle happened right 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: after two back to back trips to Europe, in a 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: don't believe it was incapacity. If I believe that, I 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: would have said so. As loyal as I am the 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: President Biden, I am more loyal to my country. 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: So don't get Kamala Harris twisted. 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: Right. She is still saying, look, we weren't trying to 46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: cover up the fact that there was anything wrong with 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: him health bossed despite the fact that the man is 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: eighty some years old and when he gets tired things 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: begin to slow down. 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: And this was after a long work week. 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: But I mean, no, I don't believe this part of it, 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: but I do appreciate her being honest to other parts. 53 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: So we're going to get into exactly what she says. 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: So the epsort in the Atlantic starts on the day 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris went to go speak in front of 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 2: a sorority caused Zeta Phi Beta. It is a part 57 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: of the Divine Nine, which are the black Greek organizations. 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: Sororities and fraternities make up the Divine Nine. Kamala Harris 59 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Aka, which is 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: one of the first Greek letter organizations. 61 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: Now, I remember when. 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: This happened, and it was the room was full of 63 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: about six thousand people when she went to go speak 64 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: to them. I remember when this happened because Kamala got 65 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: so much slack for deciding to go there and speak 66 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: to the women of Zeta Phi Beta instead of going 67 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: to another highly publicized event. And she says it in 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: the episode that I read as well, that you know, 69 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: if unless you really understand the connectivity the importance in 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: the power of the Divine Nine of Greek letter organizations, 71 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: Black Greek letter organizations, you don't understand why she chose 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: to be there. But at this point, she's very early 73 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: in everything, the race conversations, the you know everything, so 74 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: going to her core where it really mattered and made sense, 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: even if they. 76 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: Weren't directly saying, that's why she did. 77 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Us black people, we knew what this was doing because 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: we knew and we still know to this day, the 79 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: importance of community amongst black people, especially Divine nine Greek organizations. 80 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: Not only do they run culture on HBCUs, but even 81 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: following graduation into the world, the Divine Nine gets busy. 82 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: So she talks about being there and she says, Kamala 83 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: Harris says, I was in a room full of people 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: with whom, because of our shared experience, certain words did 85 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: not need to be said. 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Oh baby, I felt that. 87 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: There's an emotion that comes from being in a place 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: where people see you, support you, and know you. The 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: kindness and the love in that room penetrated the armor 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: I usually wore armor I need to put back on 91 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: as soon as I left that room. Now, Kamala Harris 92 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: does talk about in this ebsurd a bit just feeling overlooked, 93 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: undervalued her position, not you know, being one of substance 94 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: or treated like it was one of substance behind the scenes, 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: and how her team had to fight for her often 96 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: we'll get into that. 97 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: So once she speaks, she opens up. 98 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: In that setting with Zeta phi beta and says, you know, 99 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: she's giving her speech, and she's like, and when I 100 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: become president, and she talks about how loud the crowd cheered, 101 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 2: and let's take a listen to that speech. 102 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: Actually, you know, when he was president, Donald Trump, former president, 103 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 3: hand picked three members of the United States Supreme Court 104 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: because he. 105 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: Intended for them to overturn Roe v. 106 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 3: Wade, the United States Supreme Court previously the Court of 107 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: Thurgood and RBG. 108 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: And as he intended they did. 109 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you something. When I am President 110 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: of the United States, and when Congress passes along to 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: restore those freedoms, I will sign it into law. 112 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: Now reading this Ebsurd and understanding kind of where she 113 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: was and some of the things that she was dealing with. 114 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: And when I say where she was, I mean just 115 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: like mentally and spiritually. It seems like you're reading this Ebsurd. 116 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: Kamala had gotten almost to a place of autopilot a bit, 117 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: in my opinion, because she talks a lot about having 118 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: to prove her loyalty in the office over and over 119 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: and over again. She talks a lot about her team 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: having to fight for her for certain things. She says, 121 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: I was well aware of my delicate status. Laura has 122 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: it that every outgoing chief of staff always tells the 123 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: incoming president chief of staff rule number one, watch the VP, 124 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: because I going after him over Bussing in the twenty 125 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: nineteen primary debate. I came into the White House with 126 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: what we lawyers call a rebuttal presumption. I had to 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: prove my loyalty time and time again because she wasn't 128 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: the biggest Biden fan in the beginning of all of this, 129 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: which was no secret, but Biden at the same time, 130 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: and that's why, oh my god, like, as a black 131 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: woman reading this, what the feeling that I hated? And 132 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: it's crazy because I feel like as black women, as 133 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: black people, we have like a language that we speak 134 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: with sometimes without even saying words. 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: It can be hand gesture, it can be the way 136 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: you move your hit. 137 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: It can be you know, the laugh, the giggle, the 138 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: side eye, and a lot of Kamala Harris's responses, whether 139 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: she was in debates, or she was at speaking engagements 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: or you know anything public eye when we saw her, 141 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: there were so many times where that language was happening 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: between us and her, us and her, but a lot 143 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: of what she's talking about here in this episode, I 144 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: feel like we knew, especially black women. 145 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: I feel like we knew that there was a lot that. 146 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: She wanted to say in wouldn't or couldn't, that she 147 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: wanted to do and wouldn't or couldn't. And I also 148 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: think that as black people, we knew that pushing for 149 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: her to get on the ticket with Biden and making 150 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: that one of the you have to do this if 151 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: you want us to vote for you things, I feel like, 152 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: in my opinion, you know, as a person that voted 153 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: for the Biden. 154 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Harris campaign, I wanted our. 155 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: Support and us rallying together and our pressure that we 156 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: put on Biden. I wanted it to be a message 157 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: to Kamala that they had to tread lightly with her. 158 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: They had to talk to her very nice because she 159 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: had all of us behind her. If they did not 160 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: when she got in the White House, I felt like 161 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: even if she felt like that, or at one point 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: felt like that, she. 163 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: Had to put it to the side. It was like 164 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: she had to play nights. 165 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: She had to dress up small wave, you know, the 166 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: duality of black people, the code switching. She had to 167 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: do all the things which we know that's a part 168 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: of the walk and talk of a black person in America. 169 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: But we put her there because we wanted her to 170 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: feel comfortable enough. 171 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: To say fuck all that. And that is not what happened. 172 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: So she continues, and she says, when Fox News attacked 173 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: me on everything from my laugh to my tone of voice, 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: to whom I dated in my twenties. 175 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: She's talking about former Mayor Willie Brown. 176 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: When Fox News attacked me on everything from my lave 177 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: to my tone of voice, to whom I dated in 178 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: my twenties, poor claimed I was a DEI hire. The 179 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: White House rarely pushed back with my actual resume. Two 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: terms elected da top cop in the second largest Department 181 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: of Justice in the United States. Senator representing one in 182 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: eight Americans, Lorian vows, my chief of staff constantly had 183 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: to advocate for my role at events. She's just not 184 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: gonna stand here like a pouted plant. Give her two 185 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: minutes of remarks, have her introduced the president. They had 186 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: a huge comms team, but they had Kareem John Pierre 187 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: briefing in the press room every day. But getting anything 188 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: positive said about my work on any defense against untrue 189 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: attacks was almost impossible. Now that right there is tea 190 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: because I mean it's a white house, so of course 191 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: they have a huge comms team. But her pointing to 192 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: the fact that they had Kareem John Pierre briefing in 193 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: the press room every day, another black woman, getting anything 194 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: positive said in defense to my attacks was almost impossible, 195 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: And I don't know. And look, the way that normally 196 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: works is that when people remove themselves from politics, we 197 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: find out about the truth their truths about the politics 198 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: they dived in and the work that they did. Like 199 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: I think Kareem was also in a position as well too, 200 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: where it's like you gotta do the walk, do the dance, whatever. 201 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: But I'm not excusing it because I believe and I 202 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: feel like when you're in these positions where you are 203 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 2: one of few, one of only, you have like it's 204 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: so crazy to even think about. It's actually kind of 205 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: sad in twenty twenty five that have to sit here 206 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: and even think about how to say this the right 207 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: way when you're in these positions, especially as a black woman. 208 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: One of the biggest things I learned, especially when you're 209 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: in space, is that are very white, very misunderstanding of you, 210 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: your tone, your you're everything. She's in a position of 211 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: power right at this point, Kamala Harris. But you're not though, 212 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 2: Like you are, but you're not though. When you're in 213 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: that position, one of the things I've learned is it's 214 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: almost like playing chess, like you have to learn how 215 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: to knock everything off the board and get to what 216 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: you want done without people feeling like you're powerful or 217 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 2: you have power. You almost have to like, you know, 218 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: you take all the hits, you take all of the 219 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: you know, all of the stones, everything that is thrown 220 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: at you, you go through it, and then one day, 221 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: randomly the people in power standing right next to you, 222 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 2: who for some reason were able to not be empathetic 223 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: to anything they watch you experience in real time for 224 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: several reasons, because maybe you know a lot of times 225 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: it's you know, you're a woman and their man, or 226 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, of course color, her being a black woman 227 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: has a lot to do with it, and them just 228 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: not seeing the necessity or the need or understanding culturally 229 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: how attacked a black woman is, especially when she's in 230 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: a position of power and having to utilize, show and 231 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: exercise that power the way that you have to learn 232 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: duality and learn to be weak to be strong. It's 233 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: very sad, and it's sad to hear her say that 234 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: she specifically pointed out, you know, Kareem John Pierre, because 235 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: she's the person speaking and briefing the press every day, 236 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: but also she's a black woman in a position to communicate. 237 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: She's talking about to communicate. But at the same time, 238 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: I've had conversations with people about Kareean Jean Pierre and 239 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: her coming out, you know, as neither the Democrat or 240 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: Republican after leaving you know, her role and all the 241 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: things who say she was also in that same position, 242 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: which is very understandable. It is very understandable, but I 243 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: do think this screams to me that Kamala was looking 244 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: for an advocate on the inside and did not feel 245 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: like she had it, nor did she feel like she 246 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: had anywhere to turn. And the people who were advocating 247 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: for her the strengthened numbers, and she didn't have the numbers, 248 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: she says. An example of this is in twenty twenty one, 249 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: She says, I was dispatched to help reset the US's 250 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: tattered relationship with France after we signed the Australia UK 251 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: US Security Path. Australia had agreed to buy submarines from France, 252 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: but scrapped that contract when we in the UK agreed 253 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: to supply Australia with nuclear subs under a new agreement instead. 254 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: This had caused tremendous friction in our meeting. Emmanuel Macaron 255 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: and I warmed the chill by focusing on our many 256 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: areas of cooperation such as space or exploration, climate change, 257 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: Translantic security, cybersecurity. 258 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: In the Indo Pacific. 259 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: On that trip, I was invited to visit the renowned 260 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: Pastorier Institute, where my mother had worked on MRI research 261 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: related to breast cancer. I was speaking informally with the 262 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: scientists there about how I wish politicians were more closely 263 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: followed the scientistic method testing a hypothesis and adjusting according 264 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: to results, rather than coming in with the plan as 265 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: if they had already entered upfront. I said the plan 266 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: with an exaggerated emphasis in air quotes. Fox News, the 267 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: New York Posts, and New Max went while claiming I 268 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: faked a French accent. 269 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: We campaigned with the plan uppercase t uppercase p D planned. 270 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: We're expected to defend d plan. 271 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: That was totally nonsense, But the White House seemed glad 272 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: to let reporting about my gaff overwhelm the significant thaw 273 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: in foreign relations that I achieved. So basically, they let 274 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: the They let all of the the craziness fly when 275 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: it came to her, you know, the nonsense news, the 276 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: sensationalized headlines. You know, I remember one point people were 277 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: mad about her, Chuck Taylor's like things of that nature. 278 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: She says, they never made it a point to point 279 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: out the real work she was doing. 280 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: She was the distraction. She was a test dummy. 281 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: She was thrown into situations, or when situations what happened, 282 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: they would use her as a distractor. 283 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: She would have to bite the bullet. Even worse she says. 284 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris says, I often learned that the president's staff 285 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: was adding fuel to negative narratives that sprang up around me. 286 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: One narrative that took a stubborn hole was that I 287 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: had a chaotic office and unusually high staff turnover during 288 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: my first year. The plain fact is many people who 289 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: come to work with the new administration in the White 290 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: House haven't done it before. It's a job unlike any other, 291 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: and not every person, no matter how talented in their 292 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: former position, can step up into such a high stress, 293 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: around the clock role. Others find that they just don't 294 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: want the job that doesn't pay particularly well, that it 295 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: takes a massive toll on your family and rules out 296 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: anything resembling to a normal life. I'm not going to 297 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: keep people on who can't thrive at their jobs. It's 298 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: not fair to them and it's not good for the country. 299 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: So the first year in any White House see staff turnover. 300 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: Working for the first woman vice president, my staff had 301 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: the additional challenge of confronting gender stereotypes, a constant battle that. 302 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: Could prove exhausting. 303 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: I was the first vice president to have a dedicated 304 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: press pool tracking my every public move before me, vice 305 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: presidents had what's called a supplemental pool, as the first 306 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: lady does, only covering important events. But because of the 307 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: constant attention, things that had never been especially newsworthy about 308 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: the vice president were suddenly reported in scrutinizedaid, we know 309 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: why first black woman vice president. 310 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: So she goes on and on and on and on. 311 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: Like this episode is really really I'm actually really excited 312 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: to read her book. 313 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know how much her book would be, if 314 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: it would bes. 315 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: If I'm just being honest with you, I felt, and 316 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: I feel like whenever I get a chance to interact 317 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: with people on the Democratic side, like when they come 318 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: to the breakfast club for interviews or anything like that, 319 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: I always feel that what they really feel, what they 320 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: really want to say, is never what you get to 321 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: see and never what you get to hear. And it's 322 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: really not disheartening because it's politics. I think everybody is 323 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: doing the dance and putting on a cape and putting 324 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: on a mask and putting on a personality persona talking 325 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: in the talking points on all the things Republicans I 326 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: think are just they're a little bit more ratchet with theirs. 327 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: But I didn't know if her book would be that 328 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: because at the same time, all of this scrutiny and 329 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: all these things she's talking about, they're gonna come again 330 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, she's still a 331 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 2: black woman who was in the White House now and 332 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: this was my whole thing too, and now she's gonna 333 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: be looked at as disloyal and this is my whole thing. 334 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: When everything was happening and people were like, Kamala should 335 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: just come out say what's really going on, even before 336 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: people were talking about whether Biden should run again or not, 337 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: there's this code with us, and I get it. As 338 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: black people, I think we have a very what happens 339 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: in the house stays and now that's how we're raised, right, 340 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: But I think in certain instances that really it destroys us. 341 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: It destroys our voice, and it destroys the reasons why 342 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: we're put in a room. When Kamala Harris was elected, 343 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna get in there and blow 344 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: all of that up. 345 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: And I mean that in the best way. 346 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: I mean she was not going to stand for things 347 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: happening that shouldn't happen. She was going to speak directly 348 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: to the people, to her people to, you know, all 349 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: the people that get overlooked, and she talks about that 350 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: in this episode. She says that she felt like her 351 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: role was to really account for and continue to play 352 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: spotlight on those communities that people didn't care about, underserved 353 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: black women, black people, and not just us, but you know, 354 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 2: underserved and uncared for communities across the board. But I 355 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: think her voice was diminished. And I don't know, and 356 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, I haven't read this full three thousand words. 357 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to continue to do that on my own, 358 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: and I'm really looking forward to reading the book. I 359 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 2: don't know if her voice got diminished because the lack 360 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: of support and the scrutiny she felt, because everybody likes 361 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 2: to act like they don't care, but you do, and 362 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: you know, people would like to act like Kamala could 363 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: have gotten there and went off and did all the things. 364 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: And she could have. I believe she could have. 365 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing she probably was say 366 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: good about also is the disloyalty. And if she's being 367 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: dragged for something as simple as the way she laughs 368 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: and you know her hand jesters, imagine what they going 369 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: to do to a young black woman standing next to 370 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: this older white man in this White House, defending this 371 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: country that has historically not stood for her, but stood 372 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: for the counterpart and for the other. I think that 373 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: that was one of her things as well too. I 374 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: want to get into more directly what she like, where 375 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: her thoughts in her you know, her words were when 376 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: it came to Biden and him running again for president, 377 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: and one of the episodes, she says, I knew would 378 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: come off to him as incredibly self serving if I 379 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: advised him not to run, he would see it as 380 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: naked ambition, perhaps as dis loyalty, even if my only 381 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: message was don't let the other guy win. She also 382 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: goes on in an episot to talk about something that 383 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: they would say all the time, and you would hear 384 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: her say all the time when people would ask about 385 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: the president running again and whether she thought that he 386 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: was capable of becoming the president or being the president 387 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: doing the job because he was falling a partner in 388 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: front of our faces. She said, it's Joe and Jill's decision. 389 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: We all said that like a mantra, as if we'd 390 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: been hypnotized, And that right there, I think is a 391 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: bold statement as well. And she's coming out swinging. Kam 392 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: Lehrers is coming out swinging in his book. That's a 393 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: bold statement because even though in the prior epsert she 394 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: talks about there not being this whole scam or you know, 395 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: scheme or scandal to cover up Joe Biden being you know, 396 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: not capable medically, physically and just you know, his coherence 397 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: to run for president. 398 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: But I think even this is what we were saying. 399 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: What we were saying was that it's a lot of 400 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: it was okay, we're all watching this happen, but the 401 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: way that it was handled, Yeah, all of y'all were 402 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: giving a script and you guys all stuck to it, 403 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: and that, to be honest with you, I think that 404 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: had a lot to do with why Kamala didn't win. 405 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: It was that script, her not coming out and completely 406 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: distancing herself from everything that Joe Biden did and talking 407 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: about how things would be so different and like she's 408 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: still even in running for president for those hundred and 409 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: seven days, she still had to stick to this like 410 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: this this hopscotch, just this double dutch of like okay, 411 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm here and on what we need but wait, wait, 412 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: waitit wait, like we can't we can't take away from 413 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: what happened over here, or I'm still gonna stick to 414 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 2: this because me running doesn't mean that I disagree that 415 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: he shouldn't have ran for president. It's like a part 416 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 2: of her was still living in the middle of all 417 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: of these things, and you could still kind of feel 418 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: that in this episode a bit, because she comes out 419 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: swinging and then she goes back and says, but I'm 420 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: not saying that he wasn't capable. He was better than 421 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Like, I don't know what it is about politics. 422 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: I know what it is to be a black woman. 423 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: Don't have to play it safe. But at this point, 424 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: the gloves is off. Kamala Harris ain't playing to save 425 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: So I'm excited to read the rest of the book. 426 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: You guys, let me know what you think. She ends 427 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: a very strong, strong statement after talking about this mantra 428 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: that is Joe and Joe's decision, and she says, was 429 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: it grace or was it recklessness? In retrospect? I think 430 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: it was recklessness. And this was her comment on her 431 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: decision and everybody around her is decision not to sit 432 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: Joe Biden down and tell him do not run for 433 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: re election. 434 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: Get in the comments. I want you to take it 435 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: out to the streets in a tweet call we Outside, 436 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: we Outside, we Outside Outside, every other page. 437 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 2: On Twitter, Instagram, all the places I want to hear 438 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: from you, guys. Do you guys think that this is 439 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: a little too late. It's Kamala Harris a little bit 440 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: too late and telling us the truth about Biden running 441 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: for reelection, being reckless and honestly being the reason why. 442 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: Our country is doing shit right now. I'm Lorda L. Rosa. 443 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: This is the latest with Lorda L. Rosa. 444 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, like I tell you, guys, 445 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: every single episode, y'all could be anywhere with anybody talking 446 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: about all of these things, but y'all choose to be 447 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: right here with me, my lowriders. 448 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, guys. 449 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: I will see you in my next episode.