1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, and welcome back to Cardinal Territory. I'm Katie 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Wu and that is the one and only Aj Presinski, 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: a guest host today. Happy Friday. Indeed, Aj, thanks for 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: coming on the show. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Uh, no problem. 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 3: You know, Katie, when you're a cardinal legend like I am, 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: you know I'm happy to do anything Saint Louis related obviously. 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Well right, that's why I had to you know, big 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: guns and be like a Friday show. I got to 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: get the special the special guests. So I'm glad you're here. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: You know, I've had a lot of fun over the 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: last year or so on Foul Territory with you, so 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: I figured I would just cash in the favor request 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: and now we have a little bit of a role 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: reversal here. 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: So thanks again for joining anytime. Happy to do it. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: Obviously part of Foul Territory Network. I guess we're calling 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: it now. We're proud of you, guys. We're proud of 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: you and Trevor. 20 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: I'm just Matt. Trevor's not here. I mean I would 21 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: love to give him some grief. 22 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: Well that just means you can come on again, so 23 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: be careful signing up. 24 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Okay, disappearances. 25 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it, because as a former Cardinal, 26 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: you have a lot of I don't know, a lot 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: of connections to this organization, a lot of feelings about 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: the direction. And today on the athletic Ken Rosenthal of 29 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: Fair Territory as well, he had this piece up today 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: and the headline, despite promised reset, Cardinals now find themselves 31 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: stuck in the middle. And it's a really fair column 32 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: done by Ken, in my opinion, probably one of the 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: most fair things out there. And before we get into 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: that age, I just want to ask, what's your opinion 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: of this kind of crazy offseason for Saint Louis. 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: Well. 37 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: I never thought i'd see a time where the Cardinals 38 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: weren't trying to win, because the fans have come to 39 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: a point even the last couple of years when they 40 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: were down, they were trying. But I love what Ken 41 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: said about being stuck in the middle. You can't be 42 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: stuck in the middle, and you either have to go 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: complete reset or rebuild, whatever the Cardinals want to call it. 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: But you can't be stuck in the middle where you have, 45 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, at best, the Cardinals maybe a little bit 46 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: over five hundred, I don't know. I don't know the 47 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: answer to that, because it depends on pitching. You know, 48 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: Michaelson and Matt's and Fetti and these guys in Sunny Gray. 49 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: They stay healthy. But then where the run's gonna come from? 50 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: You know, Nolan Arnano plays still play because he had 51 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: a you know, he hasn't been as great the last. 52 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: Couple of years. So what what's the ceiling for this team? 53 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: And that's kind of what he means by being stuck 54 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: in the middle, is the ceiling isn't good enough probably 55 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: to win a World Series, but the floor is bad 56 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: enough to where you can still be not very good. 57 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: And I think you don't want to be there as an organization. 58 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: You don't want to be There's a team in it somewhere. 59 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: I never thought the Cardinals would be because for the 60 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: half year I was there, I was impressed they wanted 61 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: to win. I know Mozay Loog well, I know hein Bloom. 62 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 3: I obviously know Oli Marmole. We went to the same 63 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: high school, so I know a lot of the people. 64 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: Daniel Descalsto teammate, John Jay a teammate, ex teammate of mine. 65 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: You know, these guys they want to win they want 66 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: to do well, and the Cardinal fans expect him to compete. 67 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: So to hear them say, you know, it's a reset, 68 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: but is it really a reset, Because if it's a reset, 69 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 3: you figure out a way to trade arna a right, 70 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: you figure out what to do with Sonny Gray and 71 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: some of the other veterans. So that's why being stuck 72 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: in the middle is a bad spot, because even if 73 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 3: you have your best year, are the Cardinals going to 74 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: win the World Series this year? 75 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think they can the way 76 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: they're constructed now at least yeah. 77 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny that we use the word 78 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: reset because after a couple of weeks in spring training, 79 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: obviously I'm not there right now. I will be back 80 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: in Jupiter next week. Moe has actually pushed back on 81 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: the term reset, a term he coined by the way, 82 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: and now was referring to this as a transition year. 83 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: So they went from they never used the word rebuild, 84 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: can't use that word. And to be fair, the Cardinals 85 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: didn't need to rebuild entirely. Their roster is not to 86 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: the standard where they would coming after the twenty twenty 87 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: four season. Need to tear it down completely to the studs. 88 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: But any version of what they were doing or what 89 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: their plans were doing over the winter is some definition 90 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: of a rebuild. But they went from reset now to transition, 91 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: and I think part of the reason why is because 92 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: if you look at this roster, and this is something 93 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: Ken touched on quite extensively in that article, recommend if 94 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: you're a Cardinals fan that you read it. They haven't. 95 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: They're the almost the exact same team. Now. They lost 96 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: four pivotal guys Paul Goldschmidt, Lanceln, Kyle Gibson, and Keenan 97 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Andrew Kittridge. They were all very valuable for 98 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: last year's squad, But when you're looking at the position 99 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: playing side of this sans Goldie, it's almost the exact 100 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: same roster. I mean, I'm having conversations with Allie Marmel 101 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: talking about roster construction, and they're the exact same questions 102 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: I asked last year in June and July about the bench, 103 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: about playing time, about depth. It's just like a continuation 104 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four season. And I think that's 105 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: what they have has fans really frustrated. If it was 106 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: a reset, we're not still harping on the same kinds 107 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: of issues that we were harping on last year. And 108 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: there are some some factors we have to consider here, 109 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: right Ah. I mean, the Cardinals couldn't trade Nolan Arnatto. 110 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: They tried, They tried extensively. It's a complicated situation. We've 111 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: gone over it almost every week here at Cardinal Territory. Wilson, 112 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: Contraras and Sunny Gray they didn't want to be traded, 113 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: they didn't want to exercise waving their no trade cuid 114 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Did that impact John Mozelok's thinking of, Hey, if Contreras 115 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: and Sunny are staying, you know, maybe I can still 116 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: build a competitive club this last year. Maybe it's hard 117 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: to say. Would any other executive gone out and traded 118 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley, Eric Fetti, possibly Stephen Mattz I would think so. Uh. 119 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: Hellesley himself, when I talked to him a couple of 120 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: days ago, said probably ninety nine out of one hundred 121 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: percent of the time I would have been traded. So 122 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things that make me kind 123 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: of question the direction of this supposed reset. But at 124 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the Cardinals are still trying 125 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 1: to compete, which is a good thing. I don't believe 126 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: in the hole. Either you tear it down completely or 127 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: you're all in to win. I think bait. That's a 128 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: very dangerous precedent to send. But I just wonder, like 129 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: we talked all off season about this being a platform 130 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: here to twenty twenty six, all of a sudden, we're 131 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: now talking about, like, what can the Cardinals do in 132 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five? How are they going to solve all 133 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: of these questions or answer all these questions about the 134 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: future if they're competing to win games in twenty twenty five. 135 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: This is what I don't understand. 136 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: Well, my thing is, yeah, I agree with everything you 137 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: just said, because if they're resetting, rebuilding, whatever they want 138 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: to call it, you know, transition year, Well, yeah, if 139 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: you're John Moaelah, don't you want to make the trades 140 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: for Ryan Helsley and Eric Fatty and then see what 141 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: you can get back to help Hein Bloom make the 142 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: team better for next year? Like that would be the 143 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: thing to me. The thing what I look at is, 144 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 3: and I say, Cardinals fans don't expect to rebuild. They 145 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: don't expect a retool whatever you want to call it, 146 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: a reset. So they're trying again be in the middle. Yeah, 147 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 3: we're trying to compete, but we're also trying to get 148 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: the young players. Listen, you got to give. 149 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: Jordan Walker five hundred bats and say, listen, what do 150 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: you got? Right? You mentioned Wilson and Trareras. You signed 151 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: him to be your catcher. 152 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: He's not a catcher now, he's a DH slash, first baseman, 153 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: slash whatever. They can put him at right, left field 154 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: they tried, were trying, but left field last year at 155 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 3: one point, So why why'd you sign Wilson and Treras? 156 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: You know, and he won't wave his no trade. Of course, 157 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: that's his right, but then why did you sign him? Right, 158 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: Sonny Gray doesn't want to move. Sonny Gray is a cardinal, 159 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 3: he was a cardinal last year. You got a no trade. 160 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: That's his right. 161 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: But again it goes back to, well, if you're not 162 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: if you're only going to try to compete in twenty 163 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: twenty four, and why did you sign these guys to 164 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: these long term deals? Just sign them to one year deals. 165 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: You wouldn't have got them. But then why sign them? 166 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you did it with Lynn, he did it 167 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: with Gibson, right, So I mean Kittridge is going to 168 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: be a big loss for them because he was the 169 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: one guy in their bullpen that could come in and 170 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: strike guys out, and he was a guy that could 171 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: go out there every day. So, I mean, I look 172 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: at this Cardinals roster and I always question this. I 173 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: have questions for a couple of years now. 174 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: They got a lot of the same guys. 175 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: It's like it's like New Bar Donovan, all these guys 176 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: right or like Boo, and they're very similar players. There's 177 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: you know, Victor Scott obviously can bring a speed thing. 178 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: Mason Wynn can possibly be a difference maker. But the 179 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: rest of them, you know, they had Dylan Carlson forever 180 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: and then they had you know, then they bring New 181 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: Bar and then they bring in Donovan, and they have 182 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: all these guys, and you're just like Gorman, You're like, man, like, 183 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: these guys are all the same player, Like there's not 184 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: a different guy in different positions. 185 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: You look at the good teams. Look, I mean, obviously 186 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: you can. 187 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: Look at the Dodgers and say, all right, well they 188 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: have a first basement then mashes right, they have this guy. 189 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: But they're all different players and different roles and different things. 190 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: They also have some lesser guys that know their role. 191 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: You know Will Smith right for example, he's not an 192 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: MVP like the other you know, Mookie and Showhand those guys, 193 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: but he knows his role. 194 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: He hits mine. 195 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: Freddy does a great job, he catches right. And then 196 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: you have Maximunts he was an on base guy with 197 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: some power. So they're all different guys in different situations. 198 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: And sometimes when I look at the Cardinals, they say, okay, 199 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: they tried that. 200 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: Now. 201 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: Obviously Goldie got old fast last year, which nobody expect. 202 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: He did have a better second half, but it didn't. 203 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: They didn't expect that, right, And then Arnatto kind of 204 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: has has done the same thing. Not that he's done, 205 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: but it's just it comes down to roster construction. If 206 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: you don't have different guys in different roles, in different 207 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: different things for the opponents to look at. 208 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, we have these guys that are all 209 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: the same. 210 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: They can kind of all play different positions, they all 211 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: kind of but nobody does anything that you're just like, wow, 212 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: look how great so and so does something that makes 213 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 3: it tough. And then and from the pitching side, none 214 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: of the young guys that they've tried to develop from 215 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: a pitching side, have worked out, have they? I mean 216 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: Libertor was supposed to be a dude, he hasn't really 217 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: worked out. I mean Hellsley obviously the closer has been good. 218 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: But look at all their pitchers. They're mostly free agents, right, 219 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: Matt's Sonny Gray, Lancelin last year, Gibson. Now can Polante 220 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: and some of the other guys take this next step 221 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: and possibly be something for him? Yes, but there's not 222 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: a lot of homegrown guys. Where the Cardinals used to 223 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: have homegrown guys everywhere that were difference makers. You know, 224 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: obviously Yati when you know those guys you could look at, 225 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: but you know, John Jay desclso the guys who were 226 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: on the staff, they were homegrown guys that came up, 227 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: did it the right way. 228 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: But they also had roles, right, I mean that's the thing. 229 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: What's the role Like if I if I'm the Cardinals, 230 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: I go to Jordan Walker say, okay, listen, you're not 231 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: the greatest right fielder in the world. We're gonna stick 232 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: you out there though maybe you'll get better, but we 233 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: need to see what you can do for five hundred 234 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: bats and not give them what they can sixty last 235 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: year and like, okay, you got to go down hit 236 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: the ball in the air. More like, no, how about 237 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: you just get five hundred bats? You're still what's the 238 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: twenty two years old? Twenty two go figure it out, 239 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: Go figure out the big leiglove. We think you're gonna 240 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: be a star, Go figure it out. So I want 241 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: to see that. I want to s see them not 242 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: go halfway and say, Okay, we're only hitting two fifty 243 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: or two hundred bats in we're gonna say no, like, 244 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: let him figure it out, because this guy's I mean, 245 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: you've seen him. He's a monster. He can hit, he's 246 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: hit his whole life. Let him go figure it out. 247 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: He'll figure it out. And I think that sometimes too. 248 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: The Cardinals are so quick to be like and again, 249 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what goes on in the organization. 250 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: I'm not there, but it's like, oh no, he's not 251 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: doing this. 252 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: Oh let's try the next guy. Right, Like, sometimes if 253 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: you're going to do a reset, you got to let 254 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: the young kids play. And like you said, by being 255 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: able to trade art Audo, which obviously they couldn't do 256 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: because of his no. 257 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: Trade, but trading some of these older guys. 258 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: To get the younger blood in isn't always a bad 259 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: thing because it just brings an energy and brings something 260 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: different to the team. 261 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: And sometimes, I know. 262 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 3: The Cardinal fans don't want to hear this, but sometimes 263 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 3: you got to go backwards and go forwards. 264 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you hit the nail on the 265 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: head of what to that entire thing. But you said it, 266 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: especially roster construction and role players. 267 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: And hold on, I'm in my hotel room and the 268 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: maids walked it home. Excuse me that fine? Excuse me? 269 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: Oh mind, my wife, never mind. I thought it was 270 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: the maid Okay. 271 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. 272 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: I thought it was I was like, whoa, okay, welcome. 273 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: No different, It's fine. So you talked about the roster construction. 274 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: This has been an issue dating back to twenty twenty 275 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: three even, and I expect it to be an issue 276 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: coming into the twenty twenty five season because you're right, 277 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: there are so many redundant players on this the way 278 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: the opening day roster currently projects, it is already so 279 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: left handed heavy. You think about guys like Gorman, Neubar Donovan, 280 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: both Victor Scott and Michael Siani are left handed defensive 281 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: first specialist in center field. You think about the right 282 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: handed bats, it's really just Contrarasts and Arnato as the 283 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: established ones. Can Jordan Walker be that right handed bat 284 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: behind him? Canny von Herrera step up? You have two 285 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: catchers in Herrera and Pahez who are both young in 286 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: their careers, so I definitely don't want to cast any 287 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: doubt there. I believe their ceilings are high. But no 288 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: clear front runner for your succession plan behind the plate. 289 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean there's succession plans in Siatti has not gone 290 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: according to plan, and arguably the most critical defensive position 291 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: out there. You have Contraras at first base and he 292 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: looks he looks fine, right, I mean do I do? 293 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: I think he's gold Schmid esque out there? Defensively? Nobody's serviceable? 294 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: What does that mean for Burlison though, another left handed 295 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: offensive first player. So already we're having the same conversations 296 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: about the roster as we did last year and then 297 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: with role players. I think you're exactly right, and that's 298 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: part of the reason why the Cardinals went out and 299 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: tried to build a bench with like veteran guys like 300 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: Brandon Crawford and Matt Carpenter. Last year, because those are 301 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: guys that had been in this game for a decade, 302 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: understood where they were in their careers, and we're okay 303 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: taking that backup to Mason win role or the backup 304 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: twenty sixth man on the roster role. But the Cardinals 305 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: have yet to really figure out who can do what 306 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: as a role player. So we know that they're going 307 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: to give Jordan Walker. Try to give Jordan Walker five 308 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: hundred of bats, same with Nolan Gorman. They should for 309 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: as high ceiling as those two have had. Two top prospects. 310 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Walker was a top prospect in baseball, 311 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: not just for the Cardinals. And they need to see 312 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: what they have in them so they can start planning. 313 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: And I think they have definitely the flexibility to do that. 314 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: It's the other players on the roster that I'm not 315 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: quite sure they're gonna be able to figure out. Are 316 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: they gonna know what they have in a Burlason? Are 317 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: they gonna know what they have in a Thomas to 318 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: jac Are they gonna know what they have in Victor 319 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: Scott the second again, elite speed, high defensive potential. The 320 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: bat looks really good so far in spring, but you 321 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: know it's spring. So those are the questions that we 322 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: went into the end of the twenty twenty four season asking, 323 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: and as we start the twenty twenty five season, are 324 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: no closer to answering. And this is where fans are 325 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: getting frustrated. They want the Cardinals to pick a lane. 326 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: And if the Cardinals said, hey, look this this sucks, 327 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: but we're gonna trade Ryan Helsley, I mean he's he's 328 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: in his tenth year in the organization, He's a brand 329 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: name at this point. We're gonna trade Helsley after his 330 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: career year. I think fans would have been disappointed, but 331 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: they would have understood, or hey, you know what, Eric 332 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Fetti is a bargain price on the market. Well, he's 333 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: valuable to us right now. What you know, Opening a 334 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: spot for Andre Polantaire and Michael McGreevey so we can 335 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: figure what we are in twenty twenty six is more valuable. 336 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: I think the fans would have understood that. What they 337 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: do not understand, and candidly I don't some days either 338 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: is the middle of the direction. And again, I don't 339 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: think that trying to win games is a bad thing. Obviously, 340 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: I think the Saint Louis Cardinals. You should be trying 341 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: to win as often as you can. But the Cardinals 342 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: went out, they were very honest about the direction they 343 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: were going in October, and here we are about to 344 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: be in March and all of a sudden that direction 345 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: is really murky again. 346 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, what moves did they make? Like you said, they 347 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: didn't make any moves? 348 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: I mean, was Eric Fetty traded to the Cardinals one 349 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: of the biggest surprises last year of all time because 350 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: most people thought Fetti would go to a team that 351 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: was really contending, and the Cardinals weren't really in the race. 352 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: I think the other thing that's frustrating for Cardinals fans 353 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: is they look at the division and they say, Okay, 354 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: there's not a great team in our division. If we 355 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: went out and made some moves, we could turn it 356 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: around this year or next year. Possibly because the Brewers 357 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: haven't really done anything right, I mean, I know there's 358 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: still the Brewers. The Cubs haven't used their might other 359 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: than getting Kyle Tucker, but they still haven't gone full 360 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: cubs what they could do with where they're at in 361 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: their market. The Reds are the Reds, right, So the 362 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: Pirates are still the Pirates. Yes, they have Skimes and 363 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: Jones and some other guys. But do the Cardinal fans 364 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: really think like, we can't compete with the Pittsburgh Pirates 365 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: right now or the Milwaukee Brewers. 366 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: And the Brewers every year have figured out something. 367 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: They go out and they have a plan, and they're 368 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: always better than what people think they're gonna be. 369 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: So I think that's also what's frustrating for Cardinal fans is, oh. 370 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: My gosh, we're in the NL Central, which isn't a finding. 371 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: It's not the AL East, right or the NL West 372 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: where you have these financial juggernauts. 373 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: We're in the NL Central. Much like the AL Central. 374 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: There's not really a team that goes out and just 375 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: uses their might to help maneuver everybody and out pay 376 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: you for these teams. 377 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: So I think that's also the frustration. But like you said, 378 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: if they would just. 379 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: Come out and say, you know what, we're gonna need 380 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: one year guys, and we're gonna trade away some players, 381 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: but in two years from now we're gonna be a 382 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: better organization because of it, I think Cardinal fans are 383 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: smart enough to say, you know what, You're right, we 384 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: can live with a bad year as long as you 385 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: tell us. I think that's what most baseball fans have 386 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: become accustomed to. Other than obviously Yankees, Dodgers, even the 387 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: Red Sox fans have been through it, right, And you 388 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: never thought we'd see a day where the Red Sox 389 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: were like, oh man, we can't spend. So I think 390 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: the Cardinal fans would be okay with it because they're 391 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: smart enough. But just do that, Just say that, Just 392 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: come out and say, you know what, guys, Yeah, we're 393 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: gonna trade healthy. We're gonnarade fetti, We're gonna trade mats 394 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: if we can't. Sunny Gray obviously would be a great 395 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: trade piece if he would go somewhere, like, you know, but. 396 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: Just say it. 397 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: I just I just want an organization to be honest, 398 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: and I think, yes, sometimes they can't be honest because 399 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: of whatever they is going on behind the scenes. But 400 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: I think Cardinal fans would understand. I mean, I'm looking 401 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: at their roster right now, and I'm like, who's gonna pitch? Okay, yes, 402 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: Gray fetti matts or starters. Polonte's probably a starter. Livery, 403 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: what are they doing with Livertor? Is he gonna be 404 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: a starter? Is he gonna be a reliever, right, It's like, okay, 405 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: then what then who's after them? 406 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: Who's coming after them? 407 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: I want to see the guys who are coming after 408 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: those guys because Gray is a veteran, Fetti's been around 409 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: for a while, Matts has been around for a while. 410 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: Matts can't stay healthy. Seems like anytime, right, so you 411 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: know you have to have at least one other starter. 412 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: How all Plante reacted to the rotation, It's just an interesting 413 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: time because I think they would have been better off 414 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 3: just selling everybody, but without telling the Cardinals Fianth plus 415 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: mosaics last year. He doesn't want to go out on 416 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: you know nine, he lost team, right, He wants to 417 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: try to go out on a high note. But I 418 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: think the high note would actually be setting it up 419 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: for the future in heim Bloom and whoever else comes 420 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: in there, for the future, not this year, but twenty six, 421 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: twenty seven, when hey, you know what, we're going to 422 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: get back to winning the Cardinal Way. 423 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: And I think that was the plan when they first 424 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: an ount. I mean, it was a terrible end of 425 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: season press conference, but at least we had an understanding 426 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: of where the organization was going. And I think, you know, 427 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: in that in September early October. That's what they wanted 428 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: to do, That's what they intended to do, and I 429 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: think it's fair again the question if Contraras and Sunny 430 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: Gray stain impacted that. I think you're right about John 431 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: Moselac who and this is brought up in Ken's column 432 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: as well, maybe it is facing some some internal pressure 433 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: to not go out like that. I mean, can you 434 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: blame him? Look, I know it's popular to dunk on 435 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: MO right now, and I understand, and he's probably a 436 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: little I think fans think that he's overstayed his welcome. 437 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: But let's not that he hasn't done what he's done 438 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: for this organization. It has not been impactful that he's not, 439 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, made the Cardinals where they are right now. 440 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: It's easy. It's it's what have you done for me 441 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: right now? Business? But John Moselock's tenure will be one 442 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: of the best that we see in Major League Baseball, 443 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: and I don't blame him for not really wanting to 444 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: go out like this, especially with what you said about 445 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: the division. The NL Central is again wide open. There 446 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: is no clear cut favorite. It's a five hundred division again, 447 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: unless the Brewers do one of their Brewers things and 448 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: figure it out. We can't rule it out, but you know, 449 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: they're a different team without Devin Williams and Willie Damas. 450 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: So again it was I think the messaging has been 451 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: muddled a little bit, and I think fans are frustrated. 452 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: I think they were on board with the reset, but 453 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: now that it's not a reset and it's a transition 454 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: and it's more or less looking like running back the 455 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: exact same roster. And look, the Cardinals won eighty three 456 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: games last year. They were not a good offensive team. 457 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: They had a great bullpen. I still think if the 458 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals figured out a way to sneak into the playoffs, 459 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: we would have never even had this conversation. I think 460 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: we would have been actually, we would have been exactly 461 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: what we are right now. AJ THAT'EATNT and repeat. 462 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 463 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: So no matter what, we're still having the same conversation. 464 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: But I do understand fans frustrations, skeptics throughout the industry, 465 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: even players being confused on the direction of the Cardinals 466 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: because it doesn't really they have and they've stated what 467 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: they want their direction to be, but their actions haven't 468 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: really matched up there. 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I don't know 499 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: you went. You went out to a circle. 500 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: Oh perfect, No, I was bringing up the fact that 501 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: our our friend Eric Kratz was at Cardinals camp yesterday, 502 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: the foul Territory gag in Jupiter. You and I are 503 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: like ships in the night, just passing by, but never 504 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: close enough to say, hey. 505 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 3: One day, I think I do have a I do 506 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: have a Fox game coming up, so I think the 507 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: Cardinals game, so I think it maybe maybe you probably 508 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: won't be on that one, so it'll be fine. Everyone 509 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: Ritory network. I never meet in person it's like, I 510 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: just see you guys on TV. 511 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, it's if it's not TV or Twitter, it's Instagram. 512 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: It's never in person. I think the Cardinals do have 513 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: one Fox game, though I looked at their schedule a 514 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: sign of the times that the same. Those Cardinals have 515 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: one Fox game up until the All Star break. But 516 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: weirdly enough, they have the second Sunday Night Baseball Cardinals 517 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Red Sox, so probably the only time will see that. 518 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: That's because the Cardinals fans watch, right, they do watch 519 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 3: when they're on TV, they watch, they watch my game. 520 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: So that's why I mean, they still draw. They still 521 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: rate very well on television. 522 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: But I tell teams all the time people complain about 523 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: like when I go in to do a Fox Saturday 524 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: Night game, they're like, Kastria, have you guys tonight? Then 525 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: we have Sunday Night Baseball. I go, you know who 526 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: doesn't get on Sunday Night Baseball on Fox Saturday Night? 527 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: Bad teams. So if you're good, guess what you're gonna 528 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: have to do it. And if you want to not beyond, 529 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: then be bad, because you know who's not gonna be 530 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: on TV this year? The White Sox, the Rockies. They're 531 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: not gonna be on Fox. 532 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: Or about ESPN. I can't even I have no idea. 533 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 3: Unless they were playing the Dodgers, I don't know when 534 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm thinking the last time I did a 535 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: game in Colorado, they were playing the Dodgers, and it 536 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 3: was like a you know, which is a beautiful place 537 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 3: to go to Colorado. But they're not really I hate 538 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: to say this about any but they're not relevant right now. 539 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully that does not happen to the Saint Louis Binals. 540 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: And what's what's the ceiling? I mean, we talked about 541 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: this a little bit already, but when you're looking at 542 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: this roster, like who are the players that you are 543 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: looking to take big jumps for that you believe can 544 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: take some big jumps out there? 545 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think we're talking about one Jordan Walker. I 546 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: think he can take a big jump. 547 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: And I think. 548 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: I think whether it's Gorman new Bar Donovan, one of 549 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 3: those guys also needs to take a jump. And and 550 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: you got to figure out your catcher, right, is it 551 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: Herreras a Pies or is it somebody else you have 552 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: Contreras he can still catch. They don't seem to want 553 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: him to catch. But I didn't think he was that bad. 554 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: I know I'm not watching every single game, but he 555 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: did okay with the Cubs. But again, you sign him 556 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: with this big deal to be a catcher, not to 557 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: be a first baseman, not to be a d h so. 558 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: But but honestly, I think I think Walker offensively, and 559 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 3: then one of the other guys, whether it's Gorman, you know, 560 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: new Bar whoever, whoever, that next person in line is Donovan, 561 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: whoever that is, has to take that jump. And then 562 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: for me on the pitching staff, I think Polonte I 563 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 3: saw that. Like I said, I saw the Cardinals two 564 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: days ago, and in the Yankees and I was talking 565 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: to Jay and Descalsto and Holly, and they they love 566 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: what he can do. They love his armslot, they love 567 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 3: his action on his pitches. And he's the one guy 568 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: that everybody mentioned like, this guy's got a chance to 569 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: be really good for us. So I think he needs 570 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: to take a step. And then somebody in the bullpen 571 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 3: is going to be Was it Fernandez? They got Fernandez, right, 572 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: the guy who comes out of the bullpen throwing fire, right. 573 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I know Helsy's back there, but will he 574 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 3: be the guy if they do trade Helsey take over 575 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: the ninth inning. I think he can take a jump too, 576 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: because guess what, he went through it for a year 577 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: and now now we can do it again. So I 578 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: think he's another guy. So I think there's pieces there. 579 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: But I think that the pieces, like we kind of 580 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 3: talked about early, they don't all fit together like is 581 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 3: into one big unit. It's more of okay, they fit, 582 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: but how do they fit together? And I think all 583 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: he's gonna have a challenge like he's had the last 584 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: couple of years of figuring out playing time, where positioned, 585 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: where guys are gonna play. And I mean I think, listen, 586 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: Mason win had a great year. Is it going to 587 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: be Victor Scott in center field every day? Those are 588 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: the questions they have to figure out for the future, 589 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: not for this year, because I think even if like 590 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: they're stealing last year was what eighty three wins, that's 591 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 3: the one that's about as good as they could. 592 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: Have done this year. 593 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: There the way that they're look at their margin of 594 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: one run win games. I mean, they had no business 595 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: winning as many games, but they were able to because 596 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: their both pen But. 597 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: Isn't that they're stealing this year. Again, it's about the 598 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: same number, isn't it, Because you said they pretty much 599 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: have the same team minus gold Schmidt, Right, So I mean, 600 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 3: is that their best they could do? If eighty three 601 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 3: enough to get them into the postseason? 602 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it is. In the National League. I mean, 603 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: because you go you. 604 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: Can start going Dodgers, Padres, Diamondbacks, someone from the Central, 605 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 3: someone from the East. There's five of them right there, 606 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: right If you look at Nation League East, you have 607 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: the Phillies, Mets, Braves. I would think you'd say all 608 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: three that those teams are better than anybody in the Central. 609 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: And you could say Padre's Dodgers, Diamondbacks are better than 610 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: anyone in the Central. 611 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: So you got one spot. You basically have to almost 612 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: win the Central to get in. 613 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: And are the Cardinals the best team, I'd say you 614 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: put them at least third, if not fourth, right now, 615 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: right behind the Brewers, behind the Cubs, and behind the Reds. 616 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: Right. So, I mean, it's a tough road to hope 617 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: for these guys. I mean, I listen, I. 618 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: Love the Cardinals and I love the organization, I love 619 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 3: the fans, and I want them to do well. But 620 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: sometimes you just got to be truthful and say, let's 621 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: look at twenty six or any right. 622 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: And the weird part about this is that an eighty 623 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: five win team can can probably win the Central just 624 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: base how the division is projecting. And I think the 625 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals are capable of winning right around eighty three eighty 626 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: five games, eighty five games and everything goes right. But 627 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: as you know, a Jane, that never happens in a 628 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: baseball season, and that's no, come on, it doesn't even 629 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: happen in a day. But let's really think about this. 630 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: The Cardinals are confident in their ability to compete this year. 631 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: If Jordan Walker figures out how to hit consistently, if 632 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman can figure out the strikeout rate and to 633 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: hit the ball more consistently, If Lars Newpark can stay 634 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: healthy and maybe play center field, but that's a whole 635 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: other conversation. If Mason win repeats his rookie year, if 636 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: they can figure out the cashing situation, if Nolan Arnauto 637 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: bounces back, if Wilson Contreras can be a first baseman. 638 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: That's seven, IF's already when even gott into the pitchers. 639 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: So if you're the Cardinals, you're counting on all of 640 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: this to go right to be competitive. I mean, that's 641 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: not that's not a realistic strategy. Now, our some of 642 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: these players going to take some steps forward? I certainly hope. 643 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: So this is a pro Jordan Walker show. So there 644 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: will be no slander of Jordan Walker on the Office 645 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: program because. 646 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: You'll beat you up. He's so big, I mean, drag 647 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 2: me around. 648 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: He could do that. He's that's like a six foot 649 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: eight insane. I don't It's hard to envision the Cardinals 650 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: reaching their ceiling this year because so much is going 651 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: to have to go right. And if that's just not 652 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: that's not how baseball works. Now, do I think some 653 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: of these players are going to take some steps forward? 654 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: I would love to see a healthy Lars new Bar. 655 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: I think a healthy Lars new Bar is a difference 656 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: maker on almost any single of the thirty ball clubs 657 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: out there right now. Jordan Walker, sure, the defense probably 658 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: isn't the best in right field, but I mean you 659 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: saw some of his abats in Tampa. The big thing 660 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: for him is laying off the slider, which I thought 661 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: he did a good job against Bill Waldron four. I 662 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: mean he did eventually punch out but at least it 663 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: wasn't on the slider low and away and getting the 664 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: ball near more consistently, which the Abats have much better. 665 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: Can Nolan Gorman cut down that track out right? Again? 666 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: We didn't see that much of all last year, but 667 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: he's going to get a chance to try it one 668 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: more time. So I think if you're the sameless Cardinals, 669 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: you're evaluating the success or you should be evaluating the 670 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: success of the twenty twenty five season on individual performances. 671 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: But this goes back to the points we've made all episode. 672 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: They are still competing and still trying to win ball games, 673 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of writing down the middle, which, 674 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: as you said, as Ken said, which I agree with, 675 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: is the worst place to be if you're a baseball 676 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: team listener. 677 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: I agree with everything you just said. 678 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 3: The success of the Cardinals unless all those ifs go right, 679 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 3: and there's way more ifs in the seven you just name, 680 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: because like you said, you can be the pitching staff 681 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: is based on individuals taking the next step. That's what 682 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: you have to be excited about if you're a Cardinals fan. 683 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: The young guys you have that have the potential to 684 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: be stars. The Jordan Walkers, the Gorman's, the Donovan's, the 685 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: new Bars. Will they slowly start taking step And if 686 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: you listened to Oli marmal on foul Territory yesterday, he's like, 687 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: we're way better in analytics, We're way better at certain 688 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: things than we were a few years ago, which is 689 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: also a step for the organization. But can they translate 690 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: it to the players understanding taking those steps becoming the 691 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: players they think they can if they can listen, I'm 692 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: not saying they can be good good in twenty five, 693 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: but twenty six, twenty seven, because the Cardinals do have 694 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: financial might when they want to use it. And the 695 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: twenty five free aging class after this year is a 696 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: star studded one. That there's a lot of really good 697 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: players that are out there, and the Cardinals have shown 698 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: a propensity in the past if they want somebody like 699 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: when they went and got Goldsman, when they win got Arnatto, right, 700 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: I mean Goldsmith, they went got and signed them to 701 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: an extension. They can do these things the Sunny Grays, right, 702 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: they can go out and get guys when they want them. 703 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: Wistening to trais, they just have to find that the 704 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: right whatever it is deal that they want to go 705 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: get But when the Cardinals want somebody, they go get 706 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 3: them and they're not afraid because they can. They have 707 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: Ballpark Village, they have basically the whole Midwest other than 708 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: Illinois behind them, right, So, I mean even South Illinois 709 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: is all Cardinals fans. So I think I think the 710 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: Cardinals have to look kind of ahead down the road, 711 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 3: which no Fano wants to hear because every fan wants 712 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: to win. But yeah, you're right, It's going to be 713 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 3: measured this year by how the players take those small 714 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: steps to become something for the future, not for this year, 715 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: but down the road. 716 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: And that's again the whole point of this, not a rebuild, 717 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: not a reset, but just a casual transition for these Yeah. 718 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: Whatever you want to call it, Katie, whatever you guys 719 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: want to call it in. 720 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, I'm sure by opening day it'll be something 721 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: completely different. So that's just how it is around here. 722 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: A j. This is great. I know fans really like 723 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: to hear from you. You offered just such a real 724 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: perspective about the game, and I'm excited to be teammates 725 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: with you next time we do this, though, we should 726 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: wear our Fredbird hats. I think we kind of missed up, 727 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: missed opportunity here for that. 728 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: Well I don't I'm on the road, so I don't 729 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: have mine with me, but uh, I get every chance. 730 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 3: I don't carry it with me, no, sorry, but every 731 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: chance I get on Foul Territory to throw all my 732 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: friend bird at them all for it. 733 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: It's a great one, and they're giving them away again 734 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: one of the home weekend games in April, so you 735 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: know there's things are in that respect or that perspective 736 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: looking up in Saint Louis. As long as they keep 737 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: bredbird hats, I think we can all stick around. 738 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: Okay, this great. 739 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, and I'm looking forward to seeing 740 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: you at some point. Cardinal Territory fans, we're back again 741 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: with Trevor Rosenthal and Alexa Dat, who, if you may remember, 742 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: was supposed to be on this episode, but we had 743 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: some scheduling conflicts. So shout out AJ for being a 744 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: team player. Yeah, some fun stuff. I'm looking forward to 745 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: getting back to Jupiter, getting back with Trevor, but until then, 746 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: enjoy these spring training games. Have a very safe Marti 747 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: Gras make good decisions for AJ Prisinski I'm Katie Wu. 748 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: We'll talk next week.