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Speaker 1: our reparations. Now you got that one that'll be the intro. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we were busy this weekend where we got out, how

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Speaker 1: it's been crazy times in doora down here, man, But

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Speaker 1: the black community in the hip hop community itself, like

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00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: niggas might literally be caveman right now, literally Queen Latifa's

428
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: you and I t y. That is a reaction and

429
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: a criticism of hip hop from within, like these things

430
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: are important. And what it did is it kind of

431
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: made more like thinking rappers like Iced Tea and Ice

432
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: Cube to have to be able to defend their reflect

433
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: evolve or even digging in their views. But you're confronted

434
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: with it, and then the next generation of hip hoppers learn,

435
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: which is why you have a new generation of the

436
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: generation of hip hop that came after that was more

437
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: conscious to issues like that. In the generation that came

438
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: after them was more conscious issues like that from a

439
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: mainstream level. I don't see that ship anymore that you

440
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: don't go there. I disagree. I feel like we're in

441
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: an era where everything gets put on the under the

442
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: microscope to a much higher degree because everybody's got my

443
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: fucking blog, you know, Blevity or Bustle or whoever is

444
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna make a click quick buck off a clickbait article

445
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: writing about how Taylor Swift is actually not a feminist

446
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: or whatever like so um, I don't know, man, I

447
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: necesarily this is starting to creep into the area of

448
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: respectability politics. But I don't really funk with that. I do.

449
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: He's I think when you when you start going down

450
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: this road, that's kind of because she should be complaining

451
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: about rap. I'm of a certain age. I'm not going

452
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: to say I should be complaining about rap because it's

453
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of a young person's sport and disagree with that.

454
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god, we can't agree on anything. Nas

455
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: got props because he was a kid that sounded like

456
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: a grown ass man, not because he was a dumb

457
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: fucking kid that was sounding like a dumb kid on

458
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: the mike. This aspect of the ship is to be continued. Yeah,

459
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: every every person in the history of ever who got

460
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: old started to crying. Yeah, the habits and the customs

461
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: of the newer generations as somewhat deteriorated. Yes, I'm going

462
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: back to ancient fucking greed. Yes, really, how all those

463
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: newer generations kept that Greek empire going after all these

464
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: years too? They're thriving. If you guys are on the

465
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: train that the reason that a fifty year old in

466
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: nineteen wouldn't like NASA's Illmatic album is the same reason

467
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: that like a thirty year old in two thousand nineteen

468
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: doesn't like Takashi six nine. I think that's nuts. I

469
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: don't because I guarantee if you played any rap album

470
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: for Salors Tucker, she'd say this is trash. It didn't

471
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: matter what rap album was. She just picked Ice Team

472
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: Ice Cube because they were easily like targetable. Yeah, but

473
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: if you played her fucking I'm trying to think of

474
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: of a clean wrapper from the night played like a

475
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: she might be Okay. Will Smith, if you played their

476
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: Tribe album, She's gonna find something. Will Smith had, Will

477
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: Smith had a racist song. Will Smith had this one song,

478
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was Asian that I do remember that.

479
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: It was like like that it happened, didn't happen. It

480
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: was literally like yo, Fresh Prince got that one song

481
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: where he said, but did you really say it? Though?

482
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: That's weird to me. But anyway, we're back back. We're back.

483
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: We're talking about problematic content and hip hop songs where

484
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: we draw the line, if any So let's talk about

485
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: that lite which line the line like where is the

486
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know where is everyone's line? Mike,

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: what is your line on? Like? What is it. What

488
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: are the things that is, you cannot allow the slickness

489
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: of the rhyme or the beat or however you feel

490
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: about the song to like, let's what you just heard slide.

491
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even gonna sit here in line.

492
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I have a line, because you know, unfortunately,

493
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm privileged enough to not have to worry

494
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: about certain things. So I mean, even even though I'm

495
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: listening to something and I can critically analyze that thing,

496
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm not gonna lie and be

497
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: like yo, if I'm trying to think, Like if if

498
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: killing Mike one day slips up and says some really

499
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: fucked up ship in the bar, I'm just gonna be like,

500
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm done with killing Mike forever. I'm not. Yeah,

501
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I'm not either. Um. But even even

502
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: on a personal level, you know, I'm not saying like

503
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go public and be like, yo, everybody stopped

504
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: listening to this certain rapper. Even on a personal level,

505
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like, all right, well, I can

506
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: no longer listen to any of your music because you

507
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: said this one thing. I don't think I have that

508
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: and again I think that comes from a place of privilege,

509
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: because I mean, what can outside of a white person

510
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: calling me, you know, nigger, what is there that a

511
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: rapper could possibly say that will personally offend me to

512
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: the point where I have to draw a line. I

513
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: don't have that issue, So I can I have the

514
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: privilege of ignoring certain things. That's kind of what I'm

515
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: getting at. Yeah, And I mean I feel like with

516
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: the misogyny inherent and a lot of hip hop music,

517
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't have that privilege when I hear certain things.

518
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Take the classic example, the blurred lines Robin Thick, Like,

519
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: when I hear that rape kind of insinuation being made,

520
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't help that it's a rip off

521
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: of fucking Marvin Gay and so say, I'm sorry, I

522
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: know you want it. You know you're an animal. I

523
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: know you want it. Is that legits like the hook hook,

524
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: you know you want it. It's blur blord lines. The

525
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: idea that like taking advantage and like domesticating women like

526
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: their animals. I'm a domestic like whatever, like so see

527
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: and you got this face like, oh I do. But

528
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: if Benny said that should probably like, yeah, blur them

529
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: lines that that, and you know what, I think the

530
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: pupil's reactions should be. Like for me, it's kind of

531
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: like what do I believe? You know what I'm saying?

532
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: Like if I hear somebody say something that does hit

533
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: me in that spot, then it comes down to do

534
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that this person is like advocating something?

535
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: So it kind of comes back to that like literal question,

536
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: what do you take seriously or not? I mean, I

537
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: know with me, I have I say ship that I

538
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: don't mean all the time, either just jokes or I'm

539
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: just wrapping or making a point or whatever. I'm totally

540
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: open to somebody being like, oh, that's in bad taste

541
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: and them not working with it because I feel that

542
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: way about other ship. But for somebody to make an

543
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: assertion is if they know like who I am based

544
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: on that, Like I'm not about to meet al Pacino

545
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: and start yelling at him about like why did you Kilfrado?

546
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure he would look at me and be

547
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: like it's a movie, dumb fuck? You know. So it's

548
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: like not everything is real. Yeah, I think with alternative

549
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: or underground hip hop as well as mainstream, a line

550
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: of new draws when people are reporting on facts versus

551
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: like touting like a way of life that others should

552
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: endorse an embrace. So if someone's like, yo, I shot

553
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: a nigger, like, I'm gonna just I'm gonna have to

554
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: just listen to that and not take offense to it.

555
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: So that's just sucking real life, a real, real last

556
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: thing that he's reporting, Like, I'm not gonna you know,

557
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know though, even in the case when

558
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: we're like yo, Wenna, come buy your block fucking light, yo,

559
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: shut up, Like I'm not gonna I'm probably not gonna

560
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: WinCE at that because I don't know. I just don't

561
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: really normalized And do you listen to that stuff though?

562
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: Does it not? Does it? Does it not turn you off? No? Okay,

563
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: because it does to me, Like, yeah, you know what

564
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I I I'm one of those sort of

565
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: cats where it's like I try to make an effort

566
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: to listen to like a lot of ship and and

567
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: as much stuff as I can, just because I like rap.

568
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: I just like to consume wrap and you know, I

569
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: mean at least be able to say I've heard something once.

570
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: But like because of how I know the stuff that

571
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: makes me feel some sort of way. It makes me

572
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: feel it's like yeah, like the none of the beats

573
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: are hot enough for me to be like, oh yeah,

574
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna listen to this song because it makes

575
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: me feel sort of way. And I know that about myself,

576
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna like listen to it just so

577
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: I can get mad, you know what I'm saying, Like

578
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: like if I put on a music video and I

579
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: see a bunch of like sixteen year olds pointing automatic

580
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: weapons at the camera, Like, there's no part of me

581
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: that thinks that that's cool. Therefore, like I don't feel

582
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: any pressure to like say that I like it or

583
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: anything like that. I don't think that it shouldn't exist

584
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: or that people who do like it shouldn't be able

585
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: to like it. I just know that I don't funk

586
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: with it. I feel, you Like, when I was younger,

587
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, I would listen to sex Style all the time.

588
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I would listen to fucking Kool Keith records.

589
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: I would listen to Necro records. But as I get

590
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: older and I start realizing, like, yo, nah, lot of

591
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: that ship you're saying is really fucked up. You rapping

592
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: about chaining women up in your basement. No, bro, I

593
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: can't lack with that anymore. Yeah, I mean I did

594
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: when I was younger. And the thing is, uh, when

595
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: I was younger, I felt like I was really in

596
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: this struggle. I was out in the streets from this

597
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: this quote unquote PC thing. But I was still listening

598
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: to the ship and it didn't bother me. But as

599
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm older, it's just like, man, nah, that ship is

600
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: really fucked up. To me, it's the to me listening

601
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: to old stuff like that, the pointlessness of it is

602
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: what gets to me. You know what I mean? Is

603
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: this just like it's like it's not funny because I'm

604
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: not saying yeah, yeah, but again, you know they weren't

605
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: sixteen when they made isn't that kind of weird? Yeah?

606
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: But but again it all goes you know, I know

607
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: that people, you know, the comic consensus is that intent

608
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter and it's all the only thing that matters

609
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: is what happens. But you know, there's a certain there's

610
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: a certain level of like Necro for example, right like

611
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: as a specific example of Necro, where it's like, you know,

612
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: I I know that Necro like has like a family

613
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: with like you know what I'm saying, and nephews and nieces,

614
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: and he's like and I know that he's like really

615
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: in the horror movies and and old Italian horror movies

616
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So from that perspective, it's like

617
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: everything or in that in that light, like everything that

618
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: necro does in his music makes sense from that standpoint,

619
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is like a horror movie fan

620
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: who's making you know what I mean? Now, if the

621
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: basis is no, horror movies are wrong and it shouldn't

622
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: exist because it's problematic, I'm not saying I agree with that,

623
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: but that's the stance that I feel that you should

624
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: come at that from. I don't know what you're talking man, Okay,

625
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: Necro is a I guess you could call him out.

626
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: He's a horrorcore rapper, to put it simply, more simply

627
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: than it should be put. He's the sort of rapper

628
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: who like he watches horror movies a lot, and he'll

629
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: be like, Yeo, I'm gonna write a song as the

630
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: slasher who's going after the babysitter, and the whole song

631
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: will be from respect. You know what I mean? That

632
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: that sort of. I kind of sort of get what

633
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, because I mean a lot of a lot

634
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: of those old Italian horror movies, as yellow movies, are

635
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: very much misogynist because it's just about hunting and killing women.

636
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: At the same time, he's not stupid, he's not he

637
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: should know, like, Yo, I put this ship in here,

638
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. I feel you're about that.

639
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm hit you with a different one, al right. So

640
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: remember remember back in the day when Rick Ross had

641
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: that line about putting the pilling her and everyone was outraged.

642
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, I didn't listen to Rick Ross anyway,

643
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: so it didn't make a difference to me. I was

644
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: just like, either way, I'm not listening to his music.

645
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: But I understood why people were piste off, and I

646
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's a really fucked up line. Why

647
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: would you say something like that. That's crazy? And I remember, no,

648
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: it's the Necro line there on the On the Run

649
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: the Jewels album. Um, No, neither rapper said it, but

650
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Prince Paul had like this interlude type of dealing. He's like, Yo,

651
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: it's probably that half of Molly I put in her drink. Yeah,

652
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: And I remember I listened to an album probably thirty

653
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: five times, and that line never ever even popped out

654
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: to me at all, and it was just one day

655
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: at the gym. I was like, damn, that's kind of

656
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: fucked up that heat like even. But at the same time,

657
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't skip that song because it's the intent. But

658
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: what is though, I have no idea, no idea what

659
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: that think when they write he's trying to be funny?

660
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Is that is he trying to be funny? I mean

661
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just like, look, but I don't hear that

662
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: skit and think, oh man, Prince Paul's being a really

663
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: that's like a really cool dude, Like yeah, that's like awesome,

664
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: Like it's I think they're like satirization, you know what

665
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean. But again, it's just like all specific, you

666
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like it's that specific line

667
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: and what I interpreted it. But let me ask you, Mike,

668
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: why don't you skip over it? Not as a challenge

669
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: to you, but like what makes it make it so that? Yeah?

670
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: Because I'm I'm interesting, because I'm interested in like what

671
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: makes it so that people make give a pass on

672
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: certain music? Because I definitely have music I give a

673
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: pass on to yeah. I think again, it goes back

674
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: to the idea of I have the privilege to ignore

675
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: it because I, as a man, I know it happens,

676
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: but it's a lot less likely that I'm going to

677
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: go to a club and someone's gonna spike my drink. Yeah,

678
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: I that's not something that I have to go out

679
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: into the world and really worry about. So I have

680
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: the privilege of saying, you know what, Yeah, that's fucked

681
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: up in the sense of I wouldn't want anything like

682
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: that to happen to any of my of my friends,

683
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: but I personally don't have to worry about that. And

684
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: also it goes back to the aesthetic thing that we're

685
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. It's a fucking dope song and I

686
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: have literally I've listened to the ship out of r

687
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: t J and I can't even pick out what you're

688
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't even I don't even remember. It

689
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: doesn't jump out because it's the exciting experience. And that's

690
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: not even me trying to criticize R t J. It's

691
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: just it's just a matter of because I mean, Mac

692
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: is right, they were obviously, you know, trying to be

693
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. I just but that goes to the

694
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: thing you're talking about earlier though, that if I just

695
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: handed you that line and nothing else, you had never

696
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: heard the song. If I just put that line in

697
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: front of you, where he's like, why is this girl

698
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: so happy? Oh, it's probably the half of Molly I

699
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: put in her drink, and I just gave you that

700
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: walked away. You're gonna think, oh my god, run the

701
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: dual supports rape, So should they have to explain that

702
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: or should you actually have to like bear the responsibility

703
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: to go hear the entire song and determine, okay, are

704
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: they actually endorsing scumbaggery or it all comes down to

705
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: like a personal choice all the way around. In my opinion,

706
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: it's personal on the fan on how they want to

707
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: interpret it, and it's personal on the artists and on

708
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: how they want to interpret it for me personally, Like

709
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: my most popular song, I have a line where I

710
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: said Obama killed way more kids than Adam Lanza. I

711
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: wrote that in I meant every single syllable of it

712
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: when I wrote it, because that's how I felt. You

713
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: fast forward to three years after that, and if I'm

714
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: doing a show, I gotta like think about how I'm

715
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: going to rework that line, because somebody could come up

716
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: to me afterwards and be like, hey, so I heard

717
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: that ship you said about Obama, So like what you

718
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: funk with Trump or something. Now, as an artist in

719
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: that situation, you can have one of two reactions. You

720
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: can either have the reaction of I don't give a

721
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: funk what you think, you think, whatever the funk you

722
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: want about my ship, I ain't explaining ship. Or you

723
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: could be the sort of artist that's like me. It's like,

724
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: oh man, I don't want somebody to go away with

725
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: the wrong impression than what I intended to elicit with

726
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: the art I made, So let me explain that. And

727
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: it just comes down to comes down to that that

728
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: interaction right there. Do you know how many parties I've

729
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: gone to and someone finds out, like like Detton hip

730
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: Hop did this thing with Patreon in uh in California,

731
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and this white dude came up to me and Fivo

732
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: and found that we did hip hop stuff and I

733
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what he asked me, but he asked

734
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: me something that required me to defend some kind of lyric.

735
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: And you can ask Fivo I got my ship. I

736
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: still up and I walked away and Ralph asked me later,

737
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: He's like why, And I was like, Bro, I'm not

738
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: doing this with people like he. He he wasn't curious

739
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: about my opinion. He had his opinion. He was waiting

740
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: for me to give half of mine so he could

741
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: give all of his. It was not an inquisitive question,

742
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: and I can sense that kind of ship out. This

743
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: dude didn't listen to wrap. He clearly didn't you know

744
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like if you came up

745
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: and wanted to ask me, like, Yo, what do you

746
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: think about this? Yes, so now let's talk about it.

747
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: But some random dude off the street and a fucking

748
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: Abercrombie and Fit shirt, no, bro, And that's not like

749
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: a racist thing. He could be black and white whatever,

750
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: but I'm just not going to entertain that kind of ship. Hey, dope,

751
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: knife here. So that was just part of the interview

752
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: that we do to Mike c Town a year ago.

753
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: There's still an hour and a half of that interview

754
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: left because we didn't know what we were doing back then,

755
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: So who knows, Maybe sometime in the future we'll post

756
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: the rest that up. But um, fast forward to now

757
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: present day. Um, we brought Mike back on this show

758
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: just to touch base, just to get some of his

759
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: thoughts and pick his brain a little bit about some

760
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: of the things that have happened in between when we

761
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: recorded that interview and now. Um. Yeah, So, how do

762
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: you feel about the way that rappers are engaging with

763
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: our current political moment or just the current life moment,

764
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: life moment, you know, whatever moment this is right, this

765
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: moment that we're in, this moment in human history. Do

766
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: you think in general rappers are like, well, what do

767
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: you think about what they're doing? Yeah? What do you

768
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: think about the chants? I mean, I guess it depends

769
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: on who we're talking about. I mean, talk us through

770
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: a couple in your eyes, maybe the highlights and then

771
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: some of the low lights. I don't I don't honestly

772
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: know that I have any highlights man like that out

773
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: here It kind of is, Man, I don't really see Like,

774
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: I know this sounds bad, but I don't really see

775
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: a lot of rappers that are like really stepping up

776
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: to like you know what I'm saying, Like at least

777
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: not like these like mainstream guys that have like a

778
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: lot of young eyes on them, you know. Unfortunately, I'm

779
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of just like let down by you know, big

780
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: time mainstream rappers right now. They're like they're just kind

781
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: of more focused on their money than they are people. Man,

782
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: what else would you expect really from a mainstream rapper anyway?

783
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's they've been telling you for

784
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: years they don't give about nothing but but the paper.

785
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: But I mean I am of a mind that like,

786
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: if you don't have something to say, don't just say

787
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: something to say something, so they admire that some folks

788
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: are like, we have anything intell didn't to articulate about

789
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: this situation, And they don't because when people do, they

790
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: started running up saying ship and everyone looks to them

791
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: like a leader of a movement. When they're like not

792
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: actually on the ground doing organizing these communities, then it's

793
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: just like shut the funk up and like, let us

794
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: do what we're doing. So I actually I'm very thankful

795
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: for those that have not spoken out of uh at

796
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: least everyone had a good take or like, you know,

797
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: but they don't. So it's better than they're quiet. Aren't

798
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: we supposed to be in a recession? Didn't like people

799
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: lose their job and ship, and it's just like, I

800
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: don't know, the that hasn't affected the big money talk

801
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: at all. You know, it's it's almost liked the words yeah,

802
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: because now now you're really bragging to people that don't

803
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: have ship, and then you're wondering, I know this sounds bad,

804
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: but then you're wondering why, you know, ship that happens

805
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: to people like Boosey, and then ship that happens to

806
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: people like many of the Butcher Like I was, you

807
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: wonder why these things happen. Like you're fucking bragging about

808
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: your chains and all this ship, and then you're riding

809
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: through neighborhoods where motherfucker's don't have anything and you're riding

810
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: arounding rolls royces. Yeah, of course you're gonna get run

811
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: up on. Those are just two names, and like a list,

812
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: there's like been like five or six cats who have

813
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: been shot in Texas and stuff, and it's been, you know,

814
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: weird because it's all been happened, you know, bunched up

815
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. But then you just

816
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: have to wonder. Coincidentally, last weekend, there was like one

817
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: of the longest food lines that we've ever seen in

818
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: American history. In Texas, you know, like six thousand cars

819
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: were lined up for a food bag. So that go

820
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: hand in hand with the desperation that people feel and

821
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: situations like that. Yeah, I mean I I look at that,

822
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: because we talked about that today a little bit, But

823
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: I mean I look at that now. I don't want

824
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: to blame Benny for what happened. I mean, I hope

825
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: he's okay and all that good ship, But with Benny,

826
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it seem like I'm like, oh, well,

827
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, you should have known better, You shouldn't have

828
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: been doing X y Z. No, that still sucks if

829
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: you got shot in the leg because somebody tried to

830
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: rob you. But at the same time, I would think

831
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: that maybe once everyone calms down and understand situation and

832
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: thinks about it, it's kind of one of those things

833
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, this was kind of bound to happen,

834
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, for people that are less fortunate. You can't

835
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: like roll through the hood in a Rolls Royce like

836
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: you just kind of can't. You know. The last time

837
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: that we talked, you know, we were talking about problematic

838
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: lyrics and things of that nature. So I guess at

839
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: this point in my life, I don't particularly look to

840
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: rappers to do these kinds of messaging. I don't know

841
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 1: if that's good or bad. Um, I guess I don't

842
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: really look to musicians period anymore to to get these

843
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: kinds of messages out, which I guess that is kind

844
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: of sad, isn't it kind of a yeah, isn't it

845
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of a bad thing? And I don't mean that

846
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: on hip hop. I just mean that just in general,

847
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: that we have such a cynical view towards like artists

848
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: and ship It's like we just we expect the default

849
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: of them is to, you know, kind of not be

850
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: worship as far as things like that go. Yeah, no, Yeah,

851
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: the more I'm thinking about it, it is kind of bad.

852
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: But I also understand that most musicians are working for

853
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: the machine anyway, so it's just kind of how things go,

854
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: and you know, And at the same time, I'm also

855
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: getting to this point where I don't necessarily want to

856
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: put that burden on musicians anymore. I think that people

857
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: having access to social media and all this, they should

858
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of know who to look to, Like I don't.

859
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: I don't think people should be going to Little Wayne

860
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: to get political advice. You know, I don't think that

861
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: people should be pulling up a Kanye West tweet to say, oh,

862
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: you know what do I think about this bill? Or

863
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, at this point, we

864
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: all have access to the direct thoughts of political analysts.

865
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: So why are we still waiting for fucking push a

866
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: t to tell us who we should vote for? I can,

867
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: I can give you kind of an answer to that.

868
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: We shouldn't. No one should be looking towards the Donald

869
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: Trump for anything either. Sure know what I'm saying, because

870
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: like he's the same manner of celebrity. No one should

871
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: be looking to Paris Hilton to get any advice about

872
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: anything important. Nobody should be looking. But unfortunately we're just

873
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: in that reality to where we are to the to

874
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: the tune of seventy one million people. You know what

875
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, who, and it's it's I don't. I don't think.

876
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: I think the biggest explanation for is celebrity and the

877
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: celebrity culture that we live in where and you add

878
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: in social media, where people can cultivate these like bubbles

879
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: in these cultural personality, you know, in in a positive

880
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: note for artists, you can use that to sustain yourself

881
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: and to strive, you know, and you cultivate your fan

882
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: base that will support you no matter what and they're

883
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna ride with you. But then if you see what

884
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: what happens when you add in a couple of couple

885
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: million dollars and some political uh political strategists and ship

886
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: like that, and you can make a megaphone that just

887
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: hypnotizes people in a way. So I guess in a

888
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: certain way, it's it's kind of out of people's control

889
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. Yeah, I don't know. I go

890
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: I go back and forth about this quite a bit.

891
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, this whole idea of I want I want

892
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: rappers to talk more. And then I start thinking, like,

893
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: why should they have to? Like an artist's job is

894
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 1: to create art, right, And on one hand, I'm like, well,

895
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be held responsible for anything outside of that.

896
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if this is also a

897
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: culture thing, like you know, if you're if you're at

898
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: the forefront of a culture and you understand that your

899
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: culture is the most popular culture in the world, then

900
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, wouldn't you kind of want to make

901
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: things better? Wouldn't you, like, do you almost like a

902
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: would you feel a sense of because yeah, like if

903
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to think like I can't say

904
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: Kanye because Kanye is going through some ship, but like

905
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like a rap like I

906
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I hate, I hate to always throw this

907
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: on Kendrick Lamar, but I mean, I guess he's probably

908
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: the most popular example of this. But if you're a

909
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar and you know that your words have heavy, heavy,

910
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: heavy meaning and they they you know, wouldn't you want

911
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: to like at least understand the weight of your words

912
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 1: and use them in a way that could make things better?

913
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: Or would you rather just keep rapping about the same

914
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: ship that everybody's been rapping about for the last three decades.

915
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: Part of me wants to say, well, ship, why aren't

916
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: you using your voice right now to amplify the other

917
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: voices that are saying like what's going on? Or what

918
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean as opposed to just being

919
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: a part of the status quo. And I don't know,

920
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. So UM I

921
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: saw on Twitter when UM like fifty in them were

922
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: when everybody was getting on maggot out towards the end

923
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: of the election there that was kind of pissing you

924
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: off a bit. I mean, as as it was all

925
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: of us, I guess, but I mean I I was

926
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: one of the people who I just I knew I

927
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: wanted to just like sit down and talk and just

928
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: like pick their mind about what they were thinking during

929
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: that was you so okay? So with ice Cube, he

930
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: actually pissed me off the least out of the whole

931
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: group of rappers that all of a sudden started talking,

932
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: mainly because I don't think ice Cube meant any ill

933
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: will with what happened. I think that ice Cube got played.

934
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: And that's that sucks is ice Cube either doesn't understand

935
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: that he got played or he doesn't want to admit

936
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: that he got played. But he got fucking played. And

937
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: my whole thing is, I don't blame ice Cube for

938
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: trying to use his platform to make things better. I

939
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: blame ice Cube for being ignorant enough to think that

940
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: this was going to work. Like I didn't see this

941
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: contract with Black America. I never signed on for this ship.

942
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: And if I had a choice of the people that

943
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: I would want to represent me in something like this

944
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: no offense to ice Cube, but it wouldn't be ice Cube,

945
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like, but I don't

946
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: blame him for taking his contract to Biden and Trump.

947
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: I think what sucks is the narrative got switched up

948
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: after that to where it was like, oh, the Democrats

949
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: ignored ice Cube and Trump listened to ice Cube, when

950
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: it was really like, nah, man, the Democrats saw that

951
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: your ship was basically in line with what they were

952
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: already attempting to do. And Trump said, oh, look a nigger.

953
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: I can use nigger to get other niggers a vote

954
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: for me. And that was all it was. And eventually

955
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: ice Cube never saw that, and I that's what that was.

956
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: That's what I meant by disappointing. I didn't mean it

957
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: was it was disappointing as in he was like a

958
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: bad person. It was disappointing as in, yeah, you know,

959
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: I grew up thinking that like if something like that happened,

960
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: that ice wouldn't be able to or ice Cube wouldn't

961
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: be able to get like played by some punk as

962
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: politician like pro you know, yeah that you know. So

963
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: it was just kind of like a finding out there's

964
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: no Santa Claus type of ship, like, oh man, that

965
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: could happen to be He's just the regulative um. But

966
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: looking at it from ice Cube standpoint, right, ice Cube

967
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: just got into politics. He said this, Yeah, he said this.

968
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: He just got into politics. He writes up this contract

969
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: with Black America and almost fucking immediately he has the

970
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: President calling him being like, yes, let's talk, and he's like,

971
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: what ship? This was easy? That's all I had to do. Wait,

972
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something really quick. Were you

973
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: actually surprised by not ice Cube, but people like fifty Wayne.

974
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: Were you actually surprised by their stances on this? Here's

975
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: the thing, here's the thing. Mm hm. Fifty was frilling

976
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: to a degree, but no, I wasn't. And and this

977
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: is this is part of the thing, right, And it's

978
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: like we're it's not gonna work with what we had

979
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: recorded before. But it's kind of like a a thesis

980
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: that I've had where it's like, Yo, I think a

981
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: lot of these rap niggas are right wingers. Yo, you

982
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like for real, I think I

983
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: think we're I think we need to stop getting in

984
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: this mode. And I think that the Trump is um

985
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: stuff is kind of like bringing bringing making this more

986
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: of a point it But we need to stop getting

987
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: in this idea that like being black as a progressive position,

988
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's not I'm with you,

989
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: like that's that's not that's not how that works like that,

990
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: you know. So, So with that being is like we

991
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: need to understand that the fact the reason why a

992
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: lot of black people vote Democrat, or I should even

993
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: say why a lot of black people vote against Republicans

994
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: is because Republicans have openly embraced like weird Nazi ship

995
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: in fucking clan shit, you know what I'm saying, instead

996
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: of them, if Republicans were just smart enough to be like, yo,

997
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: let's I'll just be racist. But let's not say that

998
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: we're racist, Like let's like, yeah, let's just let's be

999
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: like we love money, poor people, We love money, I

1000
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: love Jesus and my guns and blah blah blah. Yo,

1001
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: you have a lot of black people in America that

1002
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: would be comfort But with that, like for real, like

1003
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: that's wrapped about the same ship, like exactly, yeah, I

1004
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: rap about shooting guns and hating gay people all the

1005
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: time too, So let me get in you know what

1006
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So I think that's part of it. And

1007
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: I think Trump, in his connection to hip hop in

1008
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: the past, like the sort of the figure, the stature

1009
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: that he had as a figure, I think that's helped

1010
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: come into play to where I think a lot of

1011
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: guys I might even heard Ebro talking about this on

1012
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: the show once, but I think a lot of cats

1013
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: or silent because it's like they don't really have that

1014
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: much of a problem with ship. I mean, fifty Cent

1015
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: in his troll summed it up best. I know Trump

1016
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: doesn't look like black people, but damn six in taxes.

1017
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: That's That's like they've been telling us this for forty years. Yeah,

1018
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's about time we listen some Mikey, thank

1019
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: you for coming in and talking with us man one

1020
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: more time. Let the people know where they can find

1021
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: out all the stuff you're doing. Sure, um, you can

1022
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: find me on dead End hip Hop at YouTube dot com,

1023
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: forward slash dead End hip Hop. You can find me personally,

1024
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: UM through my own avenues at mike ctown dot com,

1025
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: m y K E C t O w N dot com.

1026
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: I do other kinds of reviews, talk about records, talk

1027
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: about other nerdy ass ship you know, so yeah, you

1028
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: can get all your bases covered. You'll make sure you

1029
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: go check that out and supports coming on to come in. Well,

1030
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: that brings us to a close today and uh, I

1031
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna be the one closing the soft fire

1032
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: and m right, we got a little carried away with that.

1033
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: Interview is a second episode in a row with no

1034
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: music review. We gotta do a long one for you

1035
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: all next time, yo, Joe, let me get a beat

1036
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: one more time. Make sure you follow dead End hip Hop.

1037
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: Check out Mike Satown their reviews. Follow linga Franca and

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1039
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: Franca on Spotify. Subscribe to this podcast. Thank you guys

1040
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,959
Speaker 1: for supporting one year old. Do you believe it? Yo? Yo,

1041
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: y'are swimming in the kids pool. I'm trying to let

1042
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: the world know I even got the drip too. I'm

1043
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: pimping in the fur coat. I hit you with the

1044
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: big stool, swam sipping merlow and get up off my dick, fool.

1045
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: You probably call your girl bro. I'm knife, I in wonder,

1046
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: I brom when I'm in slumber. My mama or woop

1047
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: my ass on my music. I hired it from I

1048
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: bury these rappers not in the casket, but lying under

1049
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: the gap, spraying out more loads in the briant pumper.

1050
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm the precipice. Ain't nobody fresh is this? And it's

1051
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: like my Bible. Yo just rasped my will and testament remainstream.

1052
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: Niggas wanted to tell me I'm a relevant dog. I

1053
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: will reach into your ass, pull out your skeleton. You'll

1054
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: never win. That was uncalled for. That was uncalled for,

1055
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: an problem. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm gonna try to do better. Hey,

1056
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm Lingua Franca. I'm dope knife. We are waiting on reparations.

1057
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. See you guys next week.

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