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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: T Krulos is the author of a book which not

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Speaker 1: quite ten years old, but we're talking about it tonight,

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Speaker 1: getting an update on Heroes of the Night. And also

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Speaker 1: he's got other new books out. You can link up

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Speaker 1: to all of what he does at Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: am dot com and T you were just starting to

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Speaker 1: tell me about how you had read this story and

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Speaker 1: you investigated and you found out that in Milwaukee there

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Speaker 1: was a guy who was calling himself Watchmen and he

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Speaker 1: was patrolling the streets of Milwaukee as a crime fighter.

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Speaker 1: And that's what started you down this road. What was

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Speaker 1: he dressed like, what was his what was his persona

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Speaker 1: really about? Did he kind of just steal that from

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Speaker 1: the graphic novel? No, not quite um and this is

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Speaker 1: a night that I'll never forget, I'm sure. I contacted

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Speaker 1: him online and he suggested that we meet up at

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Speaker 1: a city park near my house. So I was at

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Speaker 1: this park at night walking around and I saw this

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Speaker 1: very normal looking car pull up and this guy got

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Speaker 1: out and he was wearing a red rubber cowl and

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Speaker 1: and it just was really a reality bending moment where

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Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is really happening. And he

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Speaker 1: introduced himself and we walked around the neighborhood for a

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Speaker 1: about him. I was like, this guy could be completely insane,

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Speaker 1: this might be a hoax, and I was standing here

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Speaker 1: all night and no one's going to show up. But

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Speaker 1: he was very interesting and certainly somewhat quirky, but I

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Speaker 1: really got a lot of what he was saying about

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Speaker 1: wanting to try to make the world a better place.

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Speaker 1: So I had this great conversation with him, and then

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Speaker 1: I think the really important thing was he sort of

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Speaker 1: put in a good word about me to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the real life superhero movement or subculture, and I

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Speaker 1: started to make some connections, and soon I was talking

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Speaker 1: to people like Razorhawk and Civitron and Zata Man. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a book deal or you know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't even really know how one goes about writing a book,

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Speaker 1: but I knew I had a good story. So every

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Speaker 1: few months I would take a little time off, and

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Speaker 1: I would go to New York City or Seattle or

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Speaker 1: San Diego and meet the real life superheroes there and

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Speaker 1: go out and patrol with them sometimes, and started to

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Speaker 1: find out what this was all about. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: love the fact that you went to different cities because

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Speaker 1: I gave you kind of an a B comparison of

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Speaker 1: like who had better superheroes real life superheroes? Right, So

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Speaker 1: which city had the best real life superheroes? You know,

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Speaker 1: I have some hometown pride. I really liked the guy

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Speaker 1: that I met from Milwaukee Watchman start to develop this

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Speaker 1: team of new real life superheroes here, and because I

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Speaker 1: a bit. So I think I have some some bias there.

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Speaker 1: But definitely the most action pack city I discovered was Seattle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a real life superhero there named Phoenix Jones, and

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Speaker 1: he led a team called the Rain City Superhero Movement.

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Speaker 1: So I actually went out there to go on patrol

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Jones ran into the middle of them and he

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Speaker 1: pepper sprayed everyone and then there was a scene of

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Speaker 1: just total chaos. People were running around streaming. Someone was

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Speaker 1: half blind with pepper spray and tried to drive their

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Speaker 1: hit a person in their arms. There not a bad injury.

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Speaker 1: But these guys that turned out were Russians that were fighting,

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Speaker 1: end up punched in the face that night by an

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Speaker 1: very frightened, and I thought that someone might die. Who

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Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate, But that's kind of an interesting superhero name.

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Speaker 1: But if I were to play Devil's Advocate, I would

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Speaker 1: say what was gained by pepper spraying a bunch of

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Speaker 1: even like a superhero weapon, right, I mean, that's a

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Speaker 1: very unsuperhero weapon. Pepper spray, Like anybody my mom has

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Speaker 1: pepper spray. And so what we started evening off, by

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Speaker 1: the way, he had a duffel bag that was filled

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Speaker 1: spray that looked like it was a mini fire extinguisher.

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Speaker 1: It was a very big bottle of pepper spray, and

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Speaker 1: he had some zip ties in case he needed to

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Speaker 1: put someone under systems the rest and like a collapsible

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Speaker 1: baton and stuff like that. Well, that's kind of a

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Speaker 1: thin line between super you know, hero and super villain

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Speaker 1: at that point. If he's going on pepper spray people

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Speaker 1: they they weren't attacking anybody innocent, I mean, And I mean,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be like doctor Pepper or something, should that being

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Speaker 1: like it's his moniker. But but I mean, what what

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Speaker 1: and you think, well that that's great, But what did

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Speaker 1: the local police think of that? Didn't he in the

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Speaker 1: commit a crime? Well? Yeah, they arrested him that night.

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Speaker 1: they at least they intervened and they were familiar with

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Speaker 1: him and they were not happy to see him. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: they he went to jail that night. Okay, So that

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Speaker 1: he's in Seattle and he led a group of people there.

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Speaker 1: He was sort of they was he kind of the

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Speaker 1: alpha of that particular real life superhero group. Oh oh yeah, definitely. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who else was in that pod? Do you remember out

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Speaker 1: that night with us? Was Ghost for a while. His

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Speaker 1: significant other, Purple Rain, was part of the group. Okay,

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Speaker 1: things together and when they put their head on the

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Speaker 1: getting like keys to the city and they would be

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Speaker 1: patted on the back by the mayor or something. But

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Speaker 1: has any of them Have any of them actually stopped

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Speaker 1: applauded forum. I believe that happened in San Diego. There

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Speaker 1: were some superheroes there that were doing more like a

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Speaker 1: costume neighborhood watch, I would say version, and they actually

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Speaker 1: good things in Seattle in the past. He has stopped

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Speaker 1: like some car break ins were on a video. He's

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Speaker 1: done some charity events, which is good, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the way that being a real life

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Speaker 1: like do a cool charity of and that superhero theme

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Speaker 1: or something like that, because those usually work out a

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Speaker 1: lot better than trying to mitigate a street fight or

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Speaker 1: to confront a drug dealer. Right, yeah, And I mean

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Speaker 1: in their pursuit of justice. I would imagine a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is really about the camaraderie of it, right

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Speaker 1: is driving around and you know, being together and talking

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Speaker 1: about life and their day jobs and that it's a

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Speaker 1: good it's kind of a fun activity, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit like the next level kind of you know, role

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Speaker 1: playing that you would see a comic con or something.

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Speaker 1: What are there some of their day jobs by the way, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a full range. That's one thing I found very

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Speaker 1: fascinating about this subculture or movement. It really does range

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Speaker 1: them put aside their differences and work together on stuff because,

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Speaker 1: do a couple of annual events they are called Hope,

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Speaker 1: i would say humanitarian angle to it. It's aspirational, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: if if breakable, as any way to measure this. In

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Speaker 1: order for you to ever be a successful superhero, you

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Speaker 1: have to have an equal level super villain that you're

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Speaker 1: fighting against, right, So is there a super villain movement

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Speaker 1: out there too that that they're chasing around at night

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Speaker 1: in their in their they're all you know, family trucksters

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Speaker 1: are around town. Well, actually there is. It's what I

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Speaker 1: people that call themselves real life supervillains actually do crimes

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Speaker 1: or villainous activities, but most of them are pretty much

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Speaker 1: costumed Internet rolls. Okay, so they will make videos in

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Speaker 1: which they disc the real life superheroes and make fun

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Speaker 1: they talk about how much superhero suck and stuff. They'll

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Speaker 1: have a bake sale they'll have. Doesn't sound very super villainous.

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Speaker 1: They have a blog. Okay again, my mother has a

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Speaker 1: blog and pepper spray, So I'm real life supervillain. Guess so, well,

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Speaker 1: she hasn't made up her mind, which one sou But

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Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. So what are some of the names

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Speaker 1: of the super villains that are up against the real

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Speaker 1: life superheroes. Oh, one of my favorites was Lord Maligna

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Speaker 1: and um he would have these short YouTube videos and

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Speaker 1: he would start every video the same way. He would say,

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Speaker 1: and then you would go into some you know, issue

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