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Speaker 1: as content. Daisy dela Oh was not one of those people.

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Speaker 1: She was not an influencer, or a vlogger or a

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Speaker 1: content creator. She didn't like to share her secrets with

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Speaker 1: the world. Sometimes she even hid them from the people

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Speaker 1: of which showed her face. Slightly more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: social circle. Her profile was essentially unsearchable. Her LinkedIn page,

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Speaker 1: But when her life was cut short in February of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, a strange thing happened. Daisy went viral.

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Speaker 1: Photos and videos of her began to appear online, and

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Speaker 1: there was this one TikTok that really told the story

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Speaker 1: of her life and death. The first frame of it

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Speaker 1: showed Daisy on a carnival ride. It's the one where

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Speaker 1: This is my friend Daisy. Daisy is wearing wingtip eyeliner

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Speaker 1: and a gold septum ring. She's got black and turquoise

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Speaker 1: And there's something about her expression. It's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: It's it's mostly black, with a collage of photos of

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Speaker 1: someone else, someone suspected of murdering her. This TikTok it

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Speaker 1: was posted on May twenty six, twenty twenty one. It

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Speaker 1: was less than a minute long, but it accomplished two

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Speaker 1: that point, not the media and not the police. It

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Speaker 1: got people to care about this woman they'd never met,

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Speaker 1: who came from an immigrant family and a low income neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: I've watched this TikTok over and over again. I've studied it,

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Speaker 1: in awe of its storytelling. It has this precision to it.

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Speaker 1: It hooks you in gut, punches you with a series

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Speaker 1: sense of urgency, this need for justice, not later, but

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Speaker 1: It gives us permission to look for answers to take control,

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Speaker 1: to be the sleuts we wish to see in the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jen Swan from London Audio by Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: executive producer Paris Hilton. This is My Friend Daisy, Episode one,

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Speaker 1: Sitting Ducks. I would Never see.

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Speaker 2: My daughter crowl Susanna Salas is broken. A mother grieving

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Speaker 2: her only daughter, Daisy de Lao.

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Speaker 1: If you lived in la in the summer of twenty

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Speaker 1: the local ABC seven station. It was the kind of

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Speaker 1: It was about a promising young girl, the senseless violence

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Speaker 1: There were tearful interviews set to a slow piano instrumental.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing was deeply tragic, like unspeakably sad, but

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Speaker 2: La County Sheriff's detectives tracked every lead, and Friends of

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Speaker 1: It was the way detectives had been celebrated in that

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Speaker 1: the sheriffs. LA County homicide detectives worked endlessly on the case.

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Speaker 1: But as divine, I found it confusing because it raised

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Speaker 1: had been working endlessly on this case. Then, why did

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Speaker 1: Daisy's friends feel the need to get involved and try

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Speaker 1: I got in touch with Susanna Saulis. We talked for hours,

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Speaker 1: heard her talk about on that new segment. It. I

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Speaker 1: little to reassure her. When she heard them, she thought

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Speaker 1: to care about her? It turned out a lot of

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Speaker 1: people Daisy's friends made sure of it. I spent a

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Speaker 1: Daisy's murder. At that point, they hadn't been interviewed on

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Speaker 1: I wanted to understand what had compelled them to become

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Speaker 1: the world. And it became clear pretty quickly that these

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Speaker 1: posts for clout. They definitely did not want to be

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Speaker 1: investigating their friends unsolved murder, but they well, they had

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Speaker 1: no other choice. And this thing they did it was

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Speaker 3: I have never once met a family who said option

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Speaker 3: number one to help my family's case is to become

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Speaker 3: a content creator and try to become an influencer, not

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Speaker 3: once having met somebody where that was option A.

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Speaker 1: That's Sarah Turney. She's a true crime TikToker, YouTuber and podcaster.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever spent time watching true crime on TikTok

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Speaker 1: you've seen Sarah's videos. Talking to her over zoom felt

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Speaker 1: of her videos to ask questions, questions like what would

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Speaker 3: Usually, when people begin to tell their loved one stories,

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Speaker 3: it is their last resort.

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Speaker 1: They don't know what else to do.

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Speaker 3: You know, They've tried to go on the mainstream media

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Speaker 3: making a podcast or a YouTube channel or a TikTok

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Speaker 1: It's a last resort, Sarah told me, because it requires

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Speaker 3: We are sitting ducks for anybody to just pray on us.

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Speaker 3: We are asking the world, we are begging the world

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Speaker 3: a lot of negativity.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I first became aware of Sarah's videos when I

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Speaker 1: the my friend Daisy TikTok can you please help share this?

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Speaker 1: They'd written. Sarah didn't end up seeing the video. She

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Speaker 1: easy for stuff to get married. People who make videos

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Speaker 1: about missing or murdered friends and loved ones, they often

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Speaker 1: than a million TikTok followers. Sarah went viral in April

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Speaker 1: She'd tried for nearly two decades to get police to investigate,

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Speaker 1: but nothing worked until TikTok did.

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Speaker 3: I started TikTok to ask for gen Z's help to

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Speaker 3: share my missing sister Aliss attorney's story, and they are powerfull.

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Speaker 1: Four months after she posted the TikTok, the person she'd

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Speaker 4: murder of Michael Roy Turney.

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Speaker 1: A jury later acquitted him. But Sarah's TikTok was like

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Speaker 3: The algorithm behind TikTok. You know it's been likened to

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Speaker 3: and then again it goes viral. It's kind of addicting, right.

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Speaker 1: Sarah talks about TikTok as this democratizing tool, this thing

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Speaker 1: Like all social media platforms, it also carries a risk

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Speaker 1: But to people like Sarah, the risks are worth it.

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Speaker 3: I think that is why families gravitate towards TikTok. It

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Speaker 1: so many responses to the article that I ended up

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Speaker 1: writing about Daisy for New York Magazines The Cut. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it was the fact that her story first surfaced on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: But after the article was published, I had this feeling.

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Speaker 1: I was watching that new segment, like this wasn't the

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Speaker 1: And there were bigger questions I had too, like was

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Speaker 1: social media the only way to get attention on a

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Speaker 1: We ordered tacos and we got to talking. At one point,

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Speaker 1: She remembered vividly. She wasn't planning to do laundry that day.

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Speaker 1: Daisy had said. Daisy had this way about her, this

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Speaker 1: He's checking you out, Hugh gross, Daisy had said. At nineteen,

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Speaker 1: That's when Daisy started getting her life on track. She

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Speaker 1: She wore a floor length, baby blue dropless gown. She

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Speaker 1: looked like punk rock Cinderella, her white blonde hair glowing

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Speaker 1: She'd even gotten a job on campus welcoming new students,

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Speaker 1: Dreamed of becoming a makeup and tattoo artist, of starting

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Speaker 1: her own business. She didn't want to work for nobody,

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Speaker 1: Susie told me, But in the meantime she was super

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Speaker 1: to the kitchen. She made chicken tinga. She and Daisy

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Speaker 1: Spanish language news show was playing on the television. Daisy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Adam.

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Speaker 6: He was sick.

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Speaker 1: That's Daisy's grandfather, Juan de La He has a round face,

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Speaker 1: bushy eyebrows, and graying hair. He says that Daisy was

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Speaker 1: It was a big deal. In La A car means freedom,

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Speaker 1: which was probably really important when you share an apartment

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Speaker 1: because the bus from Daisy's apartment to work took her

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was her knowledge of all the good things

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Speaker 3: He is so they made a man.

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Speaker 5: He Teki.

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Speaker 1: Wallan says that that night he was sitting here, as usual,

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Speaker 1: It was a night that was neither cold nor hot.

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Speaker 1: He said, it was a quiet night.

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Speaker 5: I sa temples. They were watching, you know, their programs,

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Speaker 5: And he said later he said, he realized it stood

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Speaker 1: Daisy, Yeah, that's Miguel contraras he conducted this interview with me,

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Speaker 1: and he also served as a translator. Miguel and I

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Speaker 1: It's the top unit in a two story cream colored

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Speaker 1: building off a busy boulevard. It's the place where Daisy

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Speaker 1: Miguel noticed a piece of colored tinsel taped to the

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Speaker 5: Bright every then.

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Speaker 1: One said no, the tinsel was left over. Actually, from

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Speaker 7: Simple Yeah, Daisy had decorated and he hadn't bothered to

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Speaker 1: He called it silly, but it was clearly important to him.

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Speaker 1: It was a reminder of her. The night that he

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Speaker 1: because of how peaceful it was, how calm it was,

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Speaker 1: That's when Daisy got a text message. She looked down

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Speaker 6: The Cintia.

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Speaker 7: Was us.

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Speaker 1: Wan said that when Daisy said goodbye that night, she

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Speaker 1: the next morning, jose Teyas went to take out the trash.

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Speaker 1: He's the property manager at the building where Daisy's family lived.

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Speaker 1: He's in his late fifties with piercing green eyes, dark

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Speaker 1: hair speckled with gray, and a white goatee. He was

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Speaker 1: born in mitchwa Khan, but he spent more than half

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Speaker 1: time he's lived and worked here. The property consists of

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Speaker 1: lot of his tenants use Section eight vouchers. He told

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Speaker 1: here they tend to stay awhile Jose is always busy

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Speaker 1: he was busy trimming trees while we talked. Tenants came

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Speaker 1: up to ask him questions. He takes pride in his job,

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Speaker 1: he said, He's always working, and that Tuesday morning in

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Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty one was no exception. Jose walked

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Speaker 8: I laid the carpet the last because he's big, I

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Speaker 1: Jose walked over to it and lifted it up, but

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Speaker 8: So when I come, you picked out of the carpet,

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Speaker 8: I sold the body pull naked from the back, and

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Speaker 1: It was a body lying face down on the ground.

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Speaker 8: I'm a man, but I ask nothing, But hey, I find.

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Speaker 1: Some I'm a man, he said. I don't get scared

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Speaker 1: of nothing, but hey, I find some person there, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do. Jose had seen

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Speaker 1: and heard a lot during his more than three decades

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Speaker 8: Two weeks acause someone over there was a thrush at

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Speaker 1: But Jose had never seen anything quite like this, a

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Speaker 1: The first call he made wasn't to the police. It

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Speaker 8: Person, is they going to come and check?

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Speaker 1: Call the cops? Call the cops. She responded, it seems obvious,

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Speaker 1: But to Jose it wasn't exactly intuitive because like a

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Speaker 1: Jose had not had the best experiences with police. He

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Speaker 1: told me it often took them a long time to

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Speaker 1: Like there's this one time.

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Speaker 8: I called the police, the police coming and arrest me.

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Speaker 1: It's a long story. It involves an aggressive former tenant

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Speaker 1: it was to try to scare him away from the property.

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Speaker 1: But Jose's takeaway was that the next time he had

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Speaker 1: a problem, he deal with it himself, less of a

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Speaker 6: Call one on Tuesday, February twenty third, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 6: six forty eight am. I'm on one. What's your emergency?

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Speaker 1: Yes, good morning morning. That's Jose. You hear on the

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Speaker 1: nine one one call.

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Speaker 6: You have a what dead man? A dead man in

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Speaker 4: Yes, cycle my building.

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Speaker 6: What's your address?

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Speaker 1: The operator asks Jose to speak up. She sounds agitated.

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Speaker 1: She says she can barely hear.

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Speaker 6: Him speaker because I can barely hear you. No, no,

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't have you speak.

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Speaker 6: Hold on.

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Speaker 1: But it seems pretty clear it's not the volume that's

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Speaker 1: the issue. It's the language barrier.

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Speaker 6: Is he black white, Hispanic? Asient?

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Speaker 1: It's covered with a lampard, he's.

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Speaker 6: Covered in a blanket, and he's sure he did deceased.

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Speaker 1: He's a behind the blood carry the continuous, he's the

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Speaker 1: full moon. I'm going to pick it out the container.

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Speaker 8: But I see.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you don't know if he's black white or he's

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Speaker 6: just covered in a blanket like a white man or

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Speaker 6: a girl.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me get fire on the line. Don't hang up, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Nobody. As say waited for the police to arrive, his

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Speaker 1: mind raced with questions, who was this person, how do

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Speaker 1: they end up here? And who had done this to them?

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Speaker 1: This season on My Friend Daisy, did you hear anything

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Speaker 1: but had any noises? Way, any screaming or anything else.

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Speaker 5: There's no cameras here.

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Speaker 7: Most people thought, oh, this was an easy case, but

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Speaker 7: we didn't have any witnesses. I didn't find out about

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Speaker 7: her until I saw it on TikTok, and I was

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Speaker 7: just like shocked.

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Speaker 1: I was like, nah, like it's a lie.

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Speaker 5: You know it's a lie.

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Speaker 1: It was shocking. It was very shocking, like that could

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Speaker 1: have been my daughter, Like you never know.

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Speaker 7: They put out something on social media, so and they

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Speaker 7: put out my cell number. So I'd get caught in

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Speaker 7: the middle of the night all the time.

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Speaker 6: Because she'd him everywhere.

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Speaker 5: He's here, he's there, he's here, he's there. I would

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Speaker 5: tell other people to like, hey, you want to meet

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Speaker 5: up and look for him. I'd be so down and

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Speaker 5: I did make eye contact with him, and it freaked

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Speaker 5: me the hell out.

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Speaker 1: This parasite represents the way she fisially murdered her like

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Speaker 1: she was lucky. It's like, how do you think you're

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Speaker 1: going to get away with something like this? Like you

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Speaker 1: killed somebody? Hello, an incarcerated individual. My Friend Day is

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Speaker 1: a production of London Audio with support from Sony Music Entertainment.

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Speaker 1: It's reported, written and executive produced by me Jen Swan,

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Speaker 1: I'm also your host. Our executive producers for London Audio

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Speaker 1: Our executive producer for Sony Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch.

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Speaker 1: Our associate producer is Zoe Coulkin. Production assistants and translations

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