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Speaker 1: First of all, joining me, Benjamin Crump, the family attorney

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Speaker 1: for the victim's family, E. J. Bradford, Also with me

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Speaker 1: Dave Max, Indicated radio talk show host Dave explained to

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Speaker 1: me what happened, Nancy. There were actually two shootings inside

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Speaker 1: At nine fifty two pm shots rang out. That's when

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Speaker 1: Bradford Junior. Now, first of all, I'm not moved at

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Speaker 1: But you just enlighten me, Benjamin Crump. You are saying

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Speaker 1: two twins, okay, I'm not that upset if somebody pulls

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Speaker 1: he pulls his gun in self defense. Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: whole different scenario, Benjamin Crump. That is entirely different than

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Speaker 1: Police get there. According to Ben Crump, the family lawyer,

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Speaker 1: the logistics of this, Ben Crump? To support your theory,

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Speaker 1: on the ground dead and I saw the police handcuffing

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Speaker 1: two other suspects right there with him. Now, if they

431
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Speaker 1: were all fleeing the scene, they wouldn't have been caught

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Speaker 1: up at the same time with a gun right by

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Speaker 1: his side, with the police on top. So again we're

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Speaker 1: jumping to a lot of conclusions, and it doesn't seem

435
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Speaker 1: like any of this is based on race. It's merely

436
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: shots fired. They got the guy with the gun, and

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00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: there you go. Police tried to correct this within twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours, saying we announced the wrong thing and we

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Speaker 1: are investigating. They had to turn it over to the

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Speaker 1: Alabama Law Enforcement Agency so there wouldn't be a conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest with the newly elected sheriff of Jeff Wait, wait,

442
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Speaker 1: you're going so fast that I'm losing some of your information.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to what we know about

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00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: what happened at the scene. Guys, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: this over. Police say the preliminary information indicated that two

446
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Speaker 1: individuals were involved in a fight that led to an

447
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: eighteen year old mail being shot multiple times. That victim

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: remains in UAB hospital tonight. That twelve year old girl

449
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: who was shot in the back isn't stable condition at

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Speaker 1: Children's of Alabama. Hoover Police say Jefferson County shares off

451
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Speaker 1: his investigators examined critical evidence that now paints a different picture.

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Speaker 1: It suggests Bradford may have been involved in the fight,

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Speaker 1: but was not the shooter. You're hearing right there from

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Speaker 1: wb RCTV. That's Jamie's price reporting so to you. Josice

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan joining me. Forensics expert, Professor Forensics, Jackson State

456
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Speaker 1: University and author of a new book, Blood Beneath My

457
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what the truth is and when you're deciphering the truth,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, as I've learned at trial, sometimes both sides

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00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: can be speaking the truth. Okay. As I've told you

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Speaker 1: many times, Joe Scott, I once had a judge who's

462
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Speaker 1: eighty four years old, best judge in the courthouse, Luther Alberson,

463
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Speaker 1: and he would tell juries at the close of the case.

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Speaker 1: It is your duty to make all the witnesses speak

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Speaker 1: the truth and perjury on no one. In other words,

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Speaker 1: people can tell what they believed to be the truth,

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Speaker 1: even though it differs from other witness accounts. What I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is if amantic Bradford Jr. Was part of the

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Speaker 1: original fight that led to a shooting. I mean, arguments

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Speaker 1: break out all the time. If you're in front of

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Speaker 1: a footlocker or whatever it is, it could be an

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Speaker 1: argument over anything. They also say that he was not

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Speaker 1: They don't believe right now the original shooter. My question

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Speaker 1: is if cops saw him quote brandishing a gun, did

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Speaker 1: he pull out his gun. I don't see how they

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Speaker 1: could have known he had a gun if it was

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Speaker 1: in his waistband. And I think it would be easy

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Speaker 1: enough Joe Scott for the eighteen year old that was

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Speaker 1: shot multiple times to tell gobs who shot him? What

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Speaker 1: about that? Joe Scott, Oh, yeah, I think that it's accurate.

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Speaker 1: You know, the temperature is being turned up so much

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Speaker 1: on this case that what I'm hoping is with the

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Speaker 1: initial investigation, Dave had mentioned that there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of security police officers there on the scene at that moment. Tim.

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Speaker 1: I'm really hoping they locked this thing down really, really quickly, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: because now the you know, the media world has all

487
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: of these voices screaming. I'm hoping they locked this thing

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Speaker 1: down so that they were able to catch those eyewitnesses

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Speaker 1: in the immediate and take initial statements from them, because

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Speaker 1: you know, as doctor Boger can point out, people's memories change,

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Speaker 1: you know, their perception of things change. It all comes

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Speaker 1: down to the physical evidence and what we're going to

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Speaker 1: see displayed before us. And we have to be patient

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Speaker 1: in this particular too. Ashley Wilcott joining me Jeevenile, judge, lawyer,

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Speaker 1: founder of Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley help me out

496
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Speaker 1: way in Nancy. So I agree completely that we have

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Speaker 1: to be patient, but we also have to be thorough.

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Speaker 1: For this reason, it is so imperative that an investigation

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Speaker 1: be completed and that all aspects be considered. You don't

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Speaker 1: want just the video, you don't want just the witness interviews.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement has to do all that thoroughly. And then

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Speaker 1: I agree we're going to have a better picture of

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened and whoever needs to be held responsible

504
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: can be should be at that point. Well, but I

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Speaker 1: I don't understand is you got a witness lying in

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Speaker 1: the hospital as to who shot him. Now, even if

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Speaker 1: it shows, if that witness says that Bradford was not

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Speaker 1: his sheeter, that still does not address the question of

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Speaker 1: did cop see Bradford at Manti Bradford Jr. Brandishing a

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Speaker 1: gun in a mall, listened to his father. My son

511
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Speaker 1: is gone. I can't get him back. But you vilified

512
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Speaker 1: my song like he used a straight criminal on Facebook,

513
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: National TV and never sold him no love. Fox six two.

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Speaker 1: You ran with the store and he was walking around

515
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: waving a God and he ran it to the officer.

516
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: That's a lie. So you need to clean that up.

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00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: You need to apologize, and I want apologizes. His mother

518
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: needs one. Your grandmother definitely needs one. But at the

519
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm hurt. I'm totally distraught about

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Speaker 1: the whole situation, and my baby was there from me.

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00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Always deare coming by checking on me, and I need

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Speaker 1: some understanding behind this. I just want everybody understand this

523
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: that Thanksgiving will never be the same for me because

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Speaker 1: that's the day. That's the last time I saw my son,

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Speaker 1: the last time. And you know, twenty one years ago

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Speaker 1: I was looking into the beautiful eyes and face of

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Speaker 1: my son, my firstborn carried them nine months and now

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Speaker 1: I won't see him ever again. And now I have

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Speaker 1: not heard the police. Is nobody even took the time

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Speaker 1: or had the decency to notify me of my son's

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Speaker 1: death instead is flashed all over social media. That is

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Speaker 1: no way that in the parent should have to find

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Speaker 1: out the death of their child. No parents should have

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Speaker 1: to ever go through that. You were hearing from Atmantic

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Speaker 1: Bradford Junior's mother, April Pitkins, She describes the death of

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Speaker 1: her son the last time she saw him. This is

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. At a crowded mall in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: a shooting breaks out, apparently in an altercation in front

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Speaker 1: of a store. Many believe it was a foot locker

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00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: erupts in gunfire and eighteen year old is shot multiple times.

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Speaker 1: A twelve year old girl named by her family as

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Speaker 1: Molly Davis was shot once and reported now to be

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Speaker 1: alert in talking. She's still in the children's hospital. Her mother,

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00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Julie Moore Bennett, post on social media or her daughter

545
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: was shopping with her family and did not even immediately

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Speaker 1: realize the pain she had in her back was actually

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Speaker 1: from a bullet. She was hurting a lot, according to

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Speaker 1: the mom. The eighteen year old at this moment has

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Speaker 1: not been named. By six am, the mall was opened

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00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: again for Black Friday shopping. You know you can't stop that.

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: I guess something seems so wrong that I see a

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Speaker 1: photo of this young man, Amantic Bradford Junior, lying in

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Speaker 1: a pool of blood on the mall floor, and within

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Speaker 1: a couple of hours, everybody is walking right over it

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00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: like nothing happened, doing their shopping. Let me see raised

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Speaker 1: this as crime stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: We are searching for the truth. Back to Dave Max

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Speaker 1: Indicated talk show host Dave Matt, you are convinced police

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00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: were right, but take a listen to this. A statement

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Speaker 1: from Hoover police on Friday said they believe Bradford had

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Speaker 1: a part in the fight, but it is unlikely that

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Speaker 1: he fired his gun. I'd review. We are going to

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Speaker 1: stop looking at a man as a pole a. Police

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Speaker 1: now believe that more than two people were involved in

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Speaker 1: the fighting before the shooting, and that the gunman remains

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Speaker 1: at large. You are hearing and right there w b

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Speaker 1: RC's Ashley Night reporting. So what does this mean, Dave

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Speaker 1: Mac talk show host. If Emantic Bradford Junior is not

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Speaker 1: the gun and that means the gunman is out there absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and that's why this investigation was. It was shut down

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00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: too quickly, you know, they announced they had the shooter

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Speaker 1: and it was over, and then they had to say, well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't he wasn't the shooter. We've got a shooter

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Speaker 1: out there. They're asking for the public to provide information,

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Speaker 1: and it's a sad reality that we live in today

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Speaker 1: because people jump to conclusions. I've been investigating this since

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Speaker 1: it happened, Nancy, and the one thing that really truly

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Speaker 1: bothers me are that facts seem to get left out

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Speaker 1: of this discussion. Every time you realize that twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: blackmails accounted for twenty two percent of all people shot

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Speaker 1: and killed by police, White's accounted for forty four percent.

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Yet we seem to hear whenever there's a shooting that

583
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Speaker 1: the cops shot the black guy. And in this particular case, yes,

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00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: a young black man was shot, but we don't have

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Speaker 1: any other facts. The police said they believed he was

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Speaker 1: involved in the altercation, his gun was pulled. I don't

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00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: know anything else because we don't have videotape of everything.

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Speaker 1: But are we going to believe just people running around

589
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: saying whatever they feel is emotionally safe to say, or

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Speaker 1: we're going to actually believe the facts. Got a question

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00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert in this case. The

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Speaker 1: cops are now saying that he Bradford Jr. Was not

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Speaker 1: the sheet or in the original incident, but that he

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Speaker 1: may have been part of the altercation. At what point

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Speaker 1: do we believe or has it been reported that Bradford

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00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: pulled his gun? Did he pull it during the altercation?

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Speaker 1: Did he pull it as he was running away? What

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Speaker 1: are you learning at What difference would that make forensically

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00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Well, it's it's gonna make a difference

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Speaker 1: relative to his attitude, physical attitude directed toward the sound

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Speaker 1: of the shooting, and is he confused? Used? I think

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00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: in this case, you know, we talk about how police

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00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: are are run around with their weapons drawn. I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: how many rounds were actually discharged at the scene. Were

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00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: they're multiple rounds? Did the police fire prior to this

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Speaker 1: kid with his gun out or did the kid react

607
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: to that? That's going to make a huge difference, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: In perception, and I'm not talking about our perception. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the perception of the individual that has been shot,

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Speaker 1: in the perception of the of the police that are

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Speaker 1: there to try to at this Joe Scott, we're getting

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Speaker 1: some reports that at the Gallery of Mall, the police

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Speaker 1: recovered another gun in what's called Santa's Village where they

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Speaker 1: actually take the Santa photos. Man, I never thought I'd

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00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: put all that in one sentence. A gun recovered in

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Speaker 1: Santa's Village. How will that help the case? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think that if they have that weapon sequestered, and obviously

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00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: they do, they know where it was, they can tag

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Speaker 1: this thing back the weapon itself, it's if it has

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Speaker 1: been fired, and they can recover Yeah, and they can

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Speaker 1: match the thing up forensically. That is significant. You know,

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Speaker 1: here's another theory, just to throw out there. Asky Wilcott.

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Speaker 1: We all know what felony murder is. Felony murder is

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: when you're in the commission of a felony. It could

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00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: be child abuse, it could be a bank robbery. You

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00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: don't intend for a murder to happen, any shooting. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you go in to rob the bank and you never

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Speaker 1: pull your gun. But in the middle of your felony

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Speaker 1: you're a bank robbery, the security guard tries to pull

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Speaker 1: his gun and it goes off and shoot somebody dead.

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Speaker 1: Guess what you're guilty a felony murder because a death

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Speaker 1: occurred during the commission of a felony. So what I'm

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00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: saying is the original shooter maybe looking at felony murder

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Speaker 1: charges because of his felony double aggravated assault in front

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: of the foot locker. Somebody is dead. What about that? Ashley? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that legal theory, and that's the reason

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: the intent behind the felony murder charges, because even if

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00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: it was unintentional to murder someone, if you're going to

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: commit a felony and that's the result of the felony

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00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: you committed, then you should be held criminally responsible. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I have to say is talking about

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Speaker 1: jumping to conclusions. Yes, lots of people are jumping to

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Speaker 1: conclusions because of the emotional nature. We have lost a

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Speaker 1: young man who was shot by police. The parent indicates

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Speaker 1: that they were not notified that he had been killed

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Speaker 1: or that he was dead. So there's so many emotions

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Speaker 1: around this. But again, as a judge, I see this

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Speaker 1: all the time. It's hard to do, but there's got

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Speaker 1: to be caution around any conclusions and let the investigation

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Speaker 1: play out to get the accurate information to see what

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Speaker 1: really happened, even if he pulled a gun to protect people,

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Speaker 1: he pulled a gun. I'm not saying he should have

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Speaker 1: been shot. Don't misunderstand me, but all of these facts

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Speaker 1: have to be investigator right now. The gunman's still at large.

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Speaker 1: If you have information, called two zero five eight two

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Speaker 1: two five three hundred repeat two O five eight two

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Speaker 1: two five three hundred. Nancy Grace crime Story signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend