1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Taking a walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: And it's not like I choose to be vulnerable or 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: a person that tends to really answer the question when 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: you say how are you? I know I should probably 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: like sometimes say I'm doing great. Let's keep walking. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Taking a Walk. I'm Buzz's night and 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: we're thrilled to have Amanda Shiers join us once again. 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Amanda's journey since her last visit has 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: been deeply personal and transformative, culminating in her powerful new album, 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: Nobody's Girl. Known for her heartfelt storytelling and musical vulnerability, 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: Amanda opens up about the challenges and growth following her divorce, 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: weaving those experiences into songs that promise both raw honesty 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: and hope. Stay tuned as we walk through the stories 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: behind this compelling new chapter with a cherished guest who 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: never fails to inspire. Taking a Walk. Hi, Amanda, that's 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: so nice to see you again. 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: It's nice to be seen. 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: And welcome to taking a Walk. You know, since we 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: last did our episode, I asked this opening question, so 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: you're not going to get away with avoiding it. The 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: question is, since we call the podcast Taking a Walk, 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: is there somebody living or dead that you would like 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: to take a walk with and where would you take 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: that walk with them? 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I would take a walk, I know, I said 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: Leonard Cohen last time. I can't say the same one. 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know why you could not say that. 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: I'd take it. I'd take a walk with James Joyce 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: and complain about you know, some Ulysses and Finnegan's wake 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: a little and see what the response would be. 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Complain. Yeah, what do you think you would? What would 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: he say? 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: I have no earthly idea. 34 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: That's why you would take it right. 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. Maybe we would do the whole walk in 36 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Ireland even. 37 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Oh, that's magical. I think you guys would would have 38 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: a good conversation. 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd probably leave either after a fistfight and or 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, after a fist fight, then a beer or 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: a pint or something. 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: Congratulations on the new album, Nobody's Girl. It's described as 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: your most personal work to date, even though I feel 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: like all of your work is deeply personal. What inspired 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: you to take this direction and how did that writing 46 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: process for you unfold for this time? 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm inspired by kind of what I'm 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 2: always inspired by what's going on in my life. But 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it inspiration is as much as needing 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: to work through the storms in my life at the time, 51 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: And the process was just the same as a process 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: as it is when you're like not writing songs when 53 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: you're in the middle of ruin and trying to figure 54 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: out how to take what pieces persist and go forward. 55 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: And so in doing that, then in the time that 56 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: it takes and the thinking that it takes and the 57 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: reflection that it takes, I think there are a lot 58 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: of emotions that come with that, and a lot of 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: feelings and a lot of instances where I try I 60 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: was trying to work through and process my grief for 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: my life through writing about it. 62 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: And would you take breaks during that period, would you, 63 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, steamroll through a song and then take a 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: deep breath, start painting, or do other things to creatively released. 65 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, what what is your sort of workflow process? 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's an interesting question. The workflow is I'm 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: kind of a slow writer because well that's just because 68 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: that's how I am. I write slow, and I edit 69 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: and I revise, and occasionally I'll write something fast. But 70 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: sometimes when there's not enough words to describe what you're 71 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: going through. That's when I take it out on the canvas. 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: I feel like that. That's that's you know. I do 73 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: abstract painting and you know, gesture work because there's just 74 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 2: some things that are just either better unsaid or easier 75 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: to work out on a canvas where at the end 76 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: you can like it or paint over it. 77 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: Was there other stuff that was going on that you 78 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: were inspired by, whether it be particular readings during that 79 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: creative time or particular music by other artists during that time. 80 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Was there other stuff surrounding you as you were creating 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: this new work. 82 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: Maggie Smith's book You Could Make This Place Beautiful? I 83 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: was reading that book in just the beautiful way that 84 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: she shared her experience in her feelings made me feel encouraged. Well, 85 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: I mean, whether she knows it or not, she encouraged 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: me to share my own experiences and what I'd been 87 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: going through. There's also Glennon Doyle. We can do hard things. 88 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: And I got super into a new hobby called backgammon. Ah. Yeah, 89 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: and I'm looking for anybody I can find to play with. 90 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: I just really love it. I joined the Nashville Backgammon association, 91 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: and I'm not very good yet, but I will be 92 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: one day. 93 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: Maybe is there like a special card carrying membership that 94 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: you get her. 95 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: I think you just kind of get to say that. 96 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: It's well, everyone you know these days bragging about pickleball, 97 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: So I think this is sounds better to me, doesn't 98 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: it to you? 99 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: It does? And you know, I tried a lot of 100 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: things over the past couple of years to find things 101 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: that I like to do outside of gardening and making art, 102 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: and I tried pickleball. And I am like a giraffe, 103 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: a baby giraffe on roller skates when I do anything 104 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: like that. I mean, they just rolled their eyes a lot. 105 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: They're like, didn't haven't you ever played tennis? I was like, no, 106 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: there was a tennis in Lubbock, Texas. 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: Was there music from other artists during this creative period 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: for Nobody's Girl that you were particularly listening to or 109 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: was it sort of, you know, the same ebb and 110 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: flow that you would always go through with music. 111 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: Well, during this time I was I put on the 112 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: D'Angelo in the Vanguard Black Messiah a lot over and over. 113 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: I just the music relationship and the sounds, really they 114 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: took me Somewhere Else and it's just beautiful. And I 115 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: also listened to Jack White's No Name a lot, super loud, 116 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: like as loud as I could turn it up, especially 117 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: that song That's how I'm feeling right now, among others. 118 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: But then I listened to You Want It Darker Leonard 119 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: Cohen's work over and over because there's something beautiful about 120 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: the I don't know the acceptance aspect of that record, 121 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: not the mortality part. That part's beautiful, but I wasn't 122 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: listening to it for that. And I also just find 123 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: his voice very calming. 124 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: So who are the folks that you collaborated on with 125 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: the other musicians on Nobody's Girl. 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, my producer friend Lawrence Rothman. 127 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I thought so, I thought he would be there. 128 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: We wrote this song away it Goes Together one day 129 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: in La We were sitting around in the studio and 130 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: just started making up this little little chord progression and 131 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: then I wrote all the words in probably about two hours. 132 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: So there you have one. 133 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Fast song for me, and it's an amazing song. 134 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: Oh thanks. I also worked with my longtime piano player 135 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: Peter Levin. We wrote a song called Lately Together, and 136 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: it's on the record Nobody's girl, And that was a 137 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: conversation we were having that day about you know how 138 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: checking in with each other, how are you doing? And 139 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: then we decided to write a song as a conversation 140 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: about our conversation, and that's how Lately was born. 141 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I like that. I like the flow of that. That's 142 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: pretty neat. What was different for you though about recording this, 143 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: this particular album, just in terms of the technical aspects, 144 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: if anything different. 145 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: There's always different things. I mean, this is this. When 146 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: I went to do my second session of recording in 147 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: La Lawrence's air conditioner did not work and it was 148 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: the heat of summer and it was the sweatiest I've 149 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: ever been when I've recorded, And I definitely think that 150 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: was difficult. You find like your little instruments slipping off 151 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: your you know, your hand slip and you're holding things slippery, 152 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: and that was kind of different. Then we tried some 153 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: new things. We tried some new things with the fiddle. 154 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: We put the fiddle through a few we kind of 155 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 2: made like a sample of the fiddle a little bit 156 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: in that way you can play it with the piano. 157 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty fun and then kind of, 158 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: you know, may it sound less, fiddly. It's nice to 159 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: try new sounds when you're used to hearing it one 160 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: way your whole life. 161 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Is that one of the many things that makes it 162 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: special working with Lawrence. 163 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: Yes, And another special thing about working with Lawrence is 164 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: they bring a lot of energy and a lot of 165 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: a lot of positivity, super encouraging to be around. And 166 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: sometimes I would say one thing that's not my favorite 167 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: is that Lawrence will pushed me to write or record 168 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: even more than I want to. And that happened this time, 169 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: and in the end it was the right thing to do, 170 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: even though I I, you know, kicked and fussed, and 171 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm not easy when I get like that either I 172 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: get I get kind of mean. But I did it 173 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: and then I was grateful and everything was resolved and 174 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: I needed to get to those those couple of songs, 175 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: even if it meant writing a couple of trash songs. 176 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: And it's the process, really, how you The time it 177 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: takes is the time it takes, you know, And I'm 178 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: looking at this is my best friend. 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean that I can't picture you being difficult in 180 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: a process in the studio with with Lawrence. I think 181 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: you're being hard on your kind of. 182 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: Stubborn, you know, and sometimes I just I, you know, 183 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: I'm just like I don't want to do that. You 184 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: can't make me do something I don't want to do, 185 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: you know. And then it's like a kind of like 186 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth, and I finally do 187 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: what they want me to do, because how could you 188 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: not when you have a friendship and you know, I 189 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: could go stand outside and stop my feet, or I 190 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: could get to it, but sometimes you have to stand 191 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: outside and stomp your feet and then get to it. 192 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: But isn't some of it just playful jousting. 193 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: Yes, sometimes it is. And sometimes in the studio when 194 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: when Laurence is this only happened like twice would push 195 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: me and then I was hot and sweaty, and then 196 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: it's like I'm also singing about my feelings, which is 197 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: you know, which a lot of times when you're a 198 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: studios the first time you've ever played the song ever 199 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: you've played it and you wrote it and you said, good, 200 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: did that. Then you go in and then it's the 201 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: first time it's already uncomfortable, and then you add the 202 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: hot sweaties, and then you add the what's going on 203 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: in the world everything feels uncomfortable, and then suddenly you're 204 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: argued about how you I guess you're lazy Shires. 205 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: No now, but I bet there's a fair amount of 206 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: not only jousting, but but laughter and good vibes as 207 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: well in the studio. 208 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: Yes, they're definitely right. There is because I think we 209 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 2: can we tend to be able to turn anything into 210 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: a joke, and that's kind of that's that's a beautiful 211 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: thing when you have jokes and inside jokes that are 212 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: born out of ridiculousness. 213 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Is there anything in particular you could share that created 214 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: some belly laughter. 215 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: So there's this song peace of Mind, and the chorus 216 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: is like, oh I hope you like, Oh I hope 217 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: you're missing peace of mind. In the beginning, I wrote, 218 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: you're missing piece of pizzas of mind, and I tried 219 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: to sing it and it was pizza You're missing pizza mind. 220 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: That was hilarious, pizza like we're doing that little Caesar's commercial. 221 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: That was good. 222 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: That was really I love it. 223 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's pretty embarrassing. I don't know how 224 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: I didn't catch that early on. 225 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: I'd love to. I'd love to hear the outtake. 226 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes missing piece of piece and I'm so goofy. 227 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: How do you ban balance vulnerability and artistry when you're 228 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: sharing such personal stories through your music. 229 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: This is just how I am. I am just I 230 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: just have to be myself. And somehow I was just 231 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: you know, born like this or else I was, you know, 232 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: a product of my raising. I don't know the answer there. 233 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: But when people you know are open and honest with me, 234 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I I just feel like 235 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: I learned a lot or feel like there's a better 236 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: connection with people. And it's not like I choose to 237 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: be vulnerable or a person that tends to really answer 238 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: the question when you say how are you? I know 239 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: I should probably like sometimes say I'm doing great, let's 240 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: keep walking. But I've just never been like that. I 241 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: don't know if it's because it could be because of 242 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: my granddad. I'm not sure, because I asked him how 243 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: he was a lot, and he would always start talking 244 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: about his health, and at the end of those long 245 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: conversations he is like, don't ever ask an old man 246 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: about his health. I don't know why, but anyway, that's 247 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: just how I am. I just ramble along like I'm 248 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: doing now. 249 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: It's it's not rambling, it's a taken a walk interview, 250 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: That's what it is. Do you share in the process 251 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: of creating with others outside your your circle in the studio, 252 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: such as your mom? I mean, do you share what's 253 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: going on with her in the process of creating new stuff? 254 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: I do. I share with my mom, probably more than 255 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: I share with anybody. A lot of it is, you know, 256 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: very much like how your kid wants to show you 257 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: something that they're proud of, or in my case, if 258 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm proud of it, yes, that's one thing, but if 259 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: I want her opinion on it or thoughts on it. 260 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: I feel like she's always been a safe person to 261 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: share things with, and we've been close and talk about everything. 262 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: I'm lucky, but that's about all as far as people 263 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: I share it with. And I don't share like demos. 264 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: On occasion, I'll listen to my own demo to make 265 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: sure I like the words, but I don't listen to 266 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: it at all for my own self. And I also 267 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: like to share with my mom because she makes a 268 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: lot of what I do possible, whether it be making 269 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: snacks or helping me with my daughter, or overall like 270 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: backbone support. I feel like I got a lot of 271 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: my backbone and I guess chat I don't know what 272 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: the word for this is, but like where you feel 273 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: like questions are challenging or curious about things and wanting 274 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: to know how things work and why, and you know, 275 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: challenging kind of norms. 276 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: I guess you know, since we last we're together for 277 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: the podcast, one thing that is really gone crazy out there, 278 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: among many things, has been you know, things such as 279 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: chat GPT. What's your take on AI and things like 280 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: chat GPT. 281 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's already here, so it's a matter 282 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: of going along with it or not. Kind of like 283 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: how when we got t pats and horses and internet 284 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: and and things like that. Radio then it's it's a 285 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: bit scary when you go deep and read like how 286 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: how what? You know? Some people are saying about about 287 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: the future of humanity and things like that, But I 288 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: think that there are more more important things in the moment, 289 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: like yeah, I keep working on that, but they're more 290 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: probably important things to be thinking on and chat GPT 291 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: and the as far as they hear and now, I 292 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: mean it's both important, but maybe use it to learn 293 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: how to help other people. I guess I'm not sure. 294 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: It's hard to say, oh, I don't like it because 295 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: as much as I love Neil Young, I wish that, 296 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: you know, it was more cool with dreaming and stuff 297 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: like that. 298 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: So you're going to be hitting the road as always. 299 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Do you love the road as much as you always have? 300 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I am not sure. I haven't 301 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: been on the road since October of twenty twenty three. Really, 302 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: I've done a couple of one offs, and I love 303 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 2: to play live. I love to connect with folks that 304 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, feel similarly to me, and I love to, 305 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: you know, see the landscape and all that. But I 306 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: also do get nervous because it's it's gonna be you know, 307 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring mercy, My Mom's gonna bring mercy out 308 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: some and it's it's gonna be a different scenario than 309 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: it's been before. Not to say I'm not strong on 310 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: a four that I definitely am. So I don't really know, 311 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: Like I know, I loved it before, so how could 312 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: I not love it again? We'll see so far, I 313 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: still love it. 314 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: Different adjustments, you got different adjustments to make. 315 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: Last time I was on the road, I loved it. Yeah, 316 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: I don't know because I'm not on it. 317 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: Are there any genres you have in Touched that you 318 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: can envision touching creatively? 319 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: Genres? Let's think I'm open to everything, you know, especially 320 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: if somebody invited me to do something. I wouldn't just go, 321 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: you know, hop into a death metal band. I would 322 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: definitely lead the lead, the compadre there to invite me 323 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: and you know, work something out. 324 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: A death metal fan that you just. 325 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: I'll try anything, seven or eight times. 326 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I love I love hearing Amanda Shire say death metal band. 327 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: There's just something, Uh, there's an irony to that. I 328 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: don't know. 329 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't want to hear a death metal fiddle? 330 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: That's right? You got that right. Are there lessons from 331 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: the past year that found their way into your music, 332 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: intentionally or unintentionally. 333 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: That's a good lessons intentional or unintentional. 334 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: Well. 335 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: I did take a jiu jitsu class, and uh, and 336 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: I signed up for it because I was trying to 337 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: figure out a way to get cuddles. And at the 338 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: end of the class, I asked if next time I 339 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: could just be the person they demonstrated on and the 340 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: guy said no and kicked me out, and that lesson 341 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 2: I learned there was if you're going to sign up 342 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: for a new thing to do, make sure you're there 343 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: to try and do that thing. They kick you out 344 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: really well, they kind of just said, you know, they 345 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: didn't find it as amusing as I did. 346 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: They discouraged you from attending further. How's that? 347 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted to me to like, you know, really 348 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: participate and probably get you know, the room kind of 349 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: smelled anyway, It wasn't really set up for cuddling. Other 350 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: things I learned are I guess that resilience isn't you know, 351 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: glamorous or pretty. It's just you get your pieces and 352 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: you keep on going. Also learned that I'm tougher than 353 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: I think I am. 354 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: Any advice you'd give to others now navigating transitions. 355 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: You don't have to figure it all out, and you 356 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: don't have to figure it all out all at once, 357 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: or any of it all at once. You just got 358 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: to figure out what you can and keep on. Don't 359 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: have to figure it all out in one day. 360 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: Take your time, Amanda, I adore you. Thank you for 361 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: being on again taking a walk and congrats on the 362 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: new music and all the best always to you. 363 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: Awesome Thank you. 364 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 365 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 366 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 367 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 368 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.