1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. The second hour of Clay in Buck 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: starts right now. Everybody, thank you for being here with us. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: You know we started out we're talking a bit about 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Fentanel and the border crisis. And one thing that you 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: can get a very good sense of the lawlessness at 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: the border from is finding out what's going on from 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: those who live along the border. What is it like 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: if you happen to live, say in and around McCallan, Texas, 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: or in this case, if you live in the Tucson 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: sector in Arizona along the border, what are you subjected to? 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: What is it like down there? What when we talk 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: about lawlessness, what do we mean? Well, if you speak 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: to somebody who's property runs along the border or right 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: next to the US Mexico border, you find out very 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: quickly that there's endless human picking, drug smuggling operations, cartel 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: smuggling operations going on, that there are people who are 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: armed who are part of those operations. I've been to 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: the border be four Clay and heard machine gun fire. 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: I've heard Mexican police engaging in a gunfight with cartel 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: members just across the Rio grand and this is just 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: a reality of day to day life along along the 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: border for a lot of people. So that brings me 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: to this This ranch owner, George Kelly, he's a seventy 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: three year old man. He's currently charged with murder and 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: he's charged with murder in the shooting of somebody who 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: was a Mexican national involved allegedly involved in smuggling operations. 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Now he says that this was in self defense. He 29 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: says that that the individual flashed would he believed to 30 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: be a gun at him, and now he is facing 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: a murder murder charge. Right, so we know where the 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: prosecutors have come down on this one so far. There 33 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: were thirty or forty times in the last month alone, 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: according to the Daily Mail. Here last month when there 35 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: were calls made to border patrol because of people illegally 36 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: transitting his property. So people are trespassing on his property, 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: Kelly says, and his neighbors have confirmed that there were 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: people who had guns who were walking across illegally his 39 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: property that he believed to be part of the cartel, 40 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: and Border patrol was there so often that they actually 41 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: have keys to his gait. You could see by the way, 42 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: there's refuse and debris, you know, food, clothing, bottle, you know, 43 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: empty water bottles all over this guy's property. Just this 44 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: is like a highway for illegals, a highway for fent 45 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: and all the highway for the cartels, a highway for 46 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: human smuggling going through his property. And he thought that 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: he was in he was in jeopardy. And it is 48 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: known this is a high crime, drug trafficking and gang 49 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: area of the border that law enforcements has said that 50 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: in court, and they're they're charging this guy with murder. 51 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: I just think it's it's so telling that he's supposed 52 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: to live like this. The Biden administration does not want 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: this to stop. He's supposed to just have an endless 54 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: flow of drugs, illegal human trafficking, cartel members, armed cartel 55 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: members on his private property coming and going all the time, 56 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: because that's what is necessary for America to be in 57 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: a nation of immigrants, all the rhetoric that democrats use. 58 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: And people are looking at this and they're just saying, 59 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, what's going on here. This guy felt the 60 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: need to defend himself. He's claiming self defense. They're charging 61 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: him with murder. You know, the government shows you a 62 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: lot based on who it chooses to prosecute and who 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't. You're right on all this, and our earlier 64 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: conversation raises the question. I always say, Okay, everybody acknowledges 65 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: the border is a disaster, and I think everybody would 66 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that fentnol coming across the border is 67 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: killing hundreds of thousands of people over a course of 68 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: several years. Right, no matter who the president is, Right now, 69 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: how do we solve that? Right? If we acknowledge, it 70 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: seems that we are acknowledge that there's a problem. Now 71 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: you can argue, okay, Democrats don't really recognize or accept 72 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: or really care that much about people coming illegally across 73 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: the border, which is why one of the weakest areas 74 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: of all of Joe Biden's administration is his response to 75 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: what's going on at the border. So that is true. 76 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: But we talked earlier. Trump basically is saying that he 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: will unleash the American military. You heard Lindsay Graham questioning 78 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: Americ Garland yesterday about what basically naming the cartels as 79 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: terrorist organizations would do. How do we fix it? And 80 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: who is the guru that could fix it. Because here's 81 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: my thought in big picture form, Buck, the reason why 82 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: the finnyl exists is because there's a demand for it. 83 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: So as long as there is a demand for a product, 84 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: there will be someone who is trying to figure out 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: how to get that product to the demand. So that 86 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: is why there has long been an issue with drugs 87 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: in this country, because there is a demand for the product. 88 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: What's different to me about fentnyl compared to other drugs 89 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: is it's relatively rare. The first time you use a drug, 90 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: you could die from it. That's the case with vinyl. 91 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: So what do you think what is the solution. I'm 92 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: not claiming to know. We talked earlier about Hey, if 93 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: we name them a terrorist organization and we start going 94 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: after them, that requires us taking men in material frankly 95 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: from the United States and basically flying down to Mexico 96 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: and going to war with the cartels. But I think 97 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that basically Mexico can only go 98 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: so far because they are effectively a narco state. So 99 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: there is a cost of doing business that it seems 100 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: both Mexico and the cartels will accept because by and large, 101 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: this product is going to the United States and making 102 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: everybody richer in Mexico. And you know, if you pay 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: attention out there, that the Mexican cartels actually can have 104 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: pretty good relationships with the surrounding communities because they're not 105 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: really giving their drugs to those communities, are using some 106 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: of the money that comes back in, which is wildly profitable, 107 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: to help some of the local communities, almost like a 108 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: robin Hood type setting, depending on where you are in Mexico, 109 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: So they have some support for the Mexican people. I 110 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: don't know how you solve it, frankly without effectively declaring war. 111 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the only thing to think of, which 112 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: is people are using a lot of a lot of 113 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: very you know, war on terror rhetoric for what we 114 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: should with the cartels, and like the cartels are as 115 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: evil and a bigger threat to us than any you know, 116 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: jehattest organization on the scene today because of the numbers 117 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: of people they're murdering, their brutality, they undermine the Mexican state. 118 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: They undermine this country too, and very they're they're hollowing 119 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: out whole communities in America that are that are now empty. 120 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: And think of all, with every person who dies of 121 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: a fense on al overdose, there are family members who 122 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: are shattered right there. There are people whose lives will 123 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: never be the same, so and kids, so many of 124 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: these young people twenties and thirties who also never gonna 125 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: have a mom and a dad. It's you know, one 126 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: hundred and six thousand, I think it was the number 127 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: last year, and I believe seventy to seventy five percent 128 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: of those are all specifically opioid related, so something like 129 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: seventy to eighty thousand opioid debts. And then there's other 130 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: By the way, the cartels also traffic in math and 131 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: cocaine and the other things that people are dying from. 132 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: So the statistics on that it doesn't change the overall narrative. 133 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: But when I was reading about this case of this man, 134 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, George Alan Kelly, who's seventy three years old, 135 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: and the only the witnesses against him were part of 136 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: the group transitting the property. So you know, there's what 137 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: his defense attorneys are saying. And I understand this is 138 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: they initially charged him with first degree murder. Now they 139 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: have lowered it to second degree murder. And this is 140 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: based on the witness testimony and the fact that a bullet, 141 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: the bullet enter, you know, killed the individual who's a 142 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: Mexican national who was part of this illegal crossing party 143 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: in the lower right back and then exited through the ribcage. 144 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: I believe that's what it says in the news reports. 145 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: But you have a situation where Okay, the people illegally 146 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: transitting or saying this guy just decided to murder us, 147 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: basically just decided to shoot us with no warning. The 148 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: defendant in this case is saying I gave warning shots, 149 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: I called out, and they had guns. Now, the people 150 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: that were legally transiting, if they did have guns, they're 151 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: not going to obviously admit that, right. So this turns 152 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: into a who's this is a fact finding out of 153 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: who's actually telling the truth in this situation. But one 154 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: thing that is beyond dispute. No one disputes that this 155 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: guy was living in a narco trafficking zone that was 156 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: a free for all day in and day out. I mean, 157 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I imagine for anybody listening, imagine that you're living on 158 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: your property and men with guns who are part of 159 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: an organization that will saw people's heads off on video 160 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: to make a point to frighten the police or politicians 161 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: or whatever is just walking through your backyard every day 162 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: and and you call Border patrol. Border patrol says, well, 163 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: we can't do anything about it. We're trying to deal 164 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: with the hundred migrants who just surrendered a mild on 165 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: the road. This is so so with his reality. Even 166 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: apart from the specifics of who's telling the truth and 167 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: who's not in this, in this case, it seems very 168 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: It seemed odd that he would, as a seventy three 169 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: year old guys who be dealing with this, just decide 170 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: that he's going to have it. He's going to use 171 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: lethal force without thinking his life is in danger. People 172 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: may say, oh, he's mistaken. But this idea that he 173 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: just finally snapped and shot them, that's the claim that's 174 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: being made. I think there should be there needs to 175 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: be a heavy burden of proof, obviously beyond a reasonable 176 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: doubt on that. But Clay, this guy is just supposed 177 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: to live in Tucson or Tucson sector of the border. 178 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: I should say, as though this is you know, this 179 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: is the reality. People are just going to trespass, People 180 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: are going to be moving drugs with guns, through your property, 181 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: and you have to hope that they don't worry that 182 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: you're going to call border patrol so they decide to 183 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: take you out. You have to just trust that that 184 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: anybody associate with the associated with the cartels doesn't get 185 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: a little scared of you maybe calling the police on 186 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: them and decide that you're too much of a risk. 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: This is what it means to live along the border 188 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: these days, and does a Biden administration care at all 189 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: an urgent We can't even get Joe Biden to go 190 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: to the border. I would hope that the jury that 191 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: he would have in that community would be very disposed 192 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: towards him, right. Wouldn't you think in general that a 193 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: jury would look at a seventy three year old guy 194 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: who's been dealing with what you just described cartel smuggling 195 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: across his property for years that he didn't just suddenly 196 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: snap that he has been threatened and feels the need 197 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: to protect himself. I would think this would be a 198 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: very difficult because, again, the jurors in this community would 199 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: be well aware of what illegal immigration is doing all 200 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: along that area, and I would think they would be 201 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: very predisposed to be in favor of this man. But 202 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: your point is a good one, which is much of 203 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: what the government decides to do when it comes to 204 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: prosecuting people is about sending messages about what they care 205 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: more than focusing on justice itself. Right. That's how they've 206 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: ended up trying to put a guy in jail for 207 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: years because he shoves somebody at an abortion protest, when 208 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: they're totally ignoring actual violent crime from serial offenders. Again 209 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: the facts, Remember the the eyewitness testimony involves the people 210 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: who are illegally entering America on his property allegedly ties 211 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: to smuggling in the cartels, or at least the one 212 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: individual is a you know, this has not proven in 213 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: court yet, but these are where the allegations are certainly 214 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: crossing into his property illegally. Kelly called the US Border 215 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Patrol Ranch liaison five times on the day of the incident. Yeah, 216 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: so you're you're the one who's flagging law enforcement down. 217 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: You're just any shot, I believe from one hundred yards 218 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: or from one hundred yards away, you're going to just 219 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing. There's something that we need 220 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: to find out more of exactly what happened here. Because 221 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: he called in to say he was being shot at 222 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: and to shoot back. Yeah, So I mean, yes they can. 223 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: They're obviously claiming that he's lying and that's why they're 224 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: charging him with murder. 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What is your 261 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: experience with the legal immigran What do you think the 262 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: community thinks about this story? Most of us don't like it. 263 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: You have to get just a second. I'm working. No, 264 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: you're on radio, so we need to talk to you 265 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: right now. So I gotta call us back when you 266 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: can actually chat with us about this. But Clay, I 267 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: love the I'm working. Hold on, I gotta get out 268 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: of my get out of my office setting right now 269 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: to have a conversation. I mean, look, the larger context 270 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: here is, and we were just talking about this off air, Buck, 271 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: as it pertains to Murdoch, the situation in South Carolina juries. 272 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: You focus a lot on the idea of a jury, 273 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: right the juries, let's say in Washington, DC, that decide 274 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: whether or not Steve Bannon behaved in some way that 275 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: they find to be criminal. Well, they're already predisposed to 276 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: not like Republicans, to not like members of the Trump administration. 277 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: What I would suggest here is that, in particular on 278 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: the ground in Tucson, a lot of people are going 279 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: to be sympathetic to this man in the same way 280 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: that with the Murdoch trial. Buck, you were you put 281 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: up a poll about what people are going to find 282 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: in that case, and my suspicion if he's not convicted, 283 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: is that there's just somebody there who's like I've known 284 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: Murdoch since he was two years old. He's not the 285 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: kind of person to do this, because remember, it's a 286 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: jury of your peers, and sometimes those peers are different 287 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: than what the larger nation might think. One update. I 288 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure what George Kelly's claims because obviously 289 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: this case has been it has been getting a lot 290 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: of attention from the community, particularly in Arizona, and they've 291 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: raised a million dollar bond for him. The fact that 292 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: they charged him with first degree murder right right out 293 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: of the right out of the gate shows you that 294 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: the prosecutor wanted to make an example of him. Now 295 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: they've dropped it to second degree murder. But he claims 296 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: that he fired warning shots only and that he wasn't 297 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: even trying to engage and shoot at the individuals. He 298 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: also has claimed that all three of them were themselves armed. 299 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Now the only witnesses against him are part of the 300 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: illegal and he claims cartel affiliated individuals who were armed 301 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: on his property. Right, So that's that's all we're going on. 302 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Right now, So it's, uh, this is one that you're 303 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: going to see. I think that this this better get 304 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: attention from the community, because, look, this man's obviously the 305 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: rest of his life, his freedom is on the line here, 306 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: and you want to make sure you get the facts 307 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: right and that justice is done. Not only that, I mean, 308 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: how scared would you be if you actually had made 309 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: an enemy of the cartels and you live near the border. 310 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't talk much about this story, Buck, 311 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: but the awful story of the what was it a 312 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen year old mom and her baby who 313 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: were essentially executed by cartel in a cartel attack in 314 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: the United States. We know how violent the acts are 315 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: in Mexico, but they're spilling across into our country on 316 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: a regular basis. Now. I think cartel violence is going 317 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: to be on the increase in the next two years. 318 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: I think you're going to see a lot of it. 319 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt at all. A lot 320 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: of you out there right now. You have home insurance? 321 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: Do you have car insurance? How about life insurance? Most 322 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: of you probably do. 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Sometimes, 339 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Clay remembers that I remembered some of you will remember 340 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: there wasn't back in the Dana Carvey, Mike Myers era. 341 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Some of you even before that would point to the 342 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Dan ackroyd Eddie Murphy, Steve Martin era. Right there, Bill Murray, 343 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: Um did I always say him that there there was 344 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: a time when Sinel was actually pretty clever and was 345 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: a comedy actually was amazingly clever, and it was really 346 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist, depending on which period you're talking about. 347 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: We were discussing in the first hour that Keith Olberman's 348 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: suggestion for Ronda santism. When when Keith is not starting 349 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Twitter feuds with Clay or with me, Clay tends to 350 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: engage where I still laugh because he calls me tag 351 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: tug tug sex butt is what he always calls me 352 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter, which is pretty funny. I don't know where 353 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: the you know, anyway, that's what he says, that's what 354 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: he writes it me um. But he was the biggest 355 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: name at MSNBC for a long time. He was the 356 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: biggest name the host tent pole. And here he is 357 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: put through the prism of Ben Affleck discussing how when 358 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: his cat, Miss Precious Perfect, was a problem for the 359 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: co op board of his apartment in Manhattan, that that 360 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: was about as bad as the bombing of Pearl Harbor 361 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: or something along those lines. Clay, you've never heard it. 362 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: Here's just a little a little reminder of Ben Affleck 363 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: as Keith Olberman on SNL. The letter was brief and 364 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: to the point dear mister Olberman, that read the co 365 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: Op Board, having reviewed your request for an exception to 366 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: its no pets policy in order to accommodate your capped 367 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: miss precious, perfect regretfully concludes that, in consideration of the 368 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: rights of other Cooper residents, such an exception is not 369 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: possible at this time. Sincerely, Richard Lieberstein, co Op President. 370 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: And there it was all perfectly legal. Like the nineteen 371 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: forty two internment of more than one hundred thousand Japanese 372 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: American citizens, or the forced relocation of the Cherokee on 373 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: the Trail of Tears, or the monstrous and justice of 374 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: our nation's Jim Crow laws. It was all perfectly legal 375 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: and every bit as wrong, if not indeed more so. 376 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: You get very well done. It's pretty pretty good impression 377 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: of him for back in the day. I can't get 378 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: over how funny the idea is. I'm sure that Keith 379 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: Olberman has never been to Disney World. If you have 380 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: ever been to disney World, and if you're if you 381 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: missed earlier, Olberman said that because Ran de Santis has 382 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: been feuding with Disney World and has this new board 383 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: that is designed to govern that disney World should leave Florida, 384 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: which is again impossible. By the analogy I made Bucket 385 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: is like saying New York City should move to Idaho, 386 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: Like you just can't do it. But then the rest 387 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: of Disney World should all be burned down while Ron 388 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: de Santis is made to go watch it. Disney World 389 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: is so huge the idea, I don't even understand how 390 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: you could come up with the idea of just move 391 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: it right. It is such a monstrosity and all of 392 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: the buildings that are involved in everything else. This was 393 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: why Ron de Santiss could go toe to toe with 394 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: Disney because the investment in material, the investment in cost. 395 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know Disney has to have I 396 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: would think a billion dollars. I don't think that's crazy. 397 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: A billion dollars just in building fees at a minimum. 398 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: Not to mention that whatever the valuation of the Disney 399 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: World theme park is now the idea that you would 400 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: just pick it up and move it to Puerto Rico, 401 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: which is funny because nobody can get to Puerto Rico. 402 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: The great success of Disney World was it's open three 403 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five days a year, and it was 404 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: selected because the weather is great, but also because theoretically 405 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: so many people can get to Florida's it's mind insane. 406 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: It's insanity. You know. This is as silly an idea 407 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: as if someone were to say, hey, maybe we can 408 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: save the city of Portland by moving it from Oregon 409 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: to Texas or something. It'd be hard to move a 410 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: whole city, but you got to figure out something right now. 411 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: This was also just in the last twenty four hours 412 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: up on the Daily Mail. Business owners are fleeing Portland 413 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: in droves amid pronounced rise in crime and homelessness, and 414 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: public data shows that twenty six hundred businesses in the 415 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: downtown have left Portland in townland. Portland's not that big 416 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: of a city. So for two thousand and six hundred 417 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: businesses to just be like, we're out, we're not doing 418 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: this anymore, that's a lot. That's a lot of shuttered storefronts. 419 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: And I just think that what we've been talking about 420 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: with the sho look moving in the right direction. Chicago 421 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: is moving in the right direction now with now how much, 422 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: maybe it's only one or two steps, but getting rid 423 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: of Lory Lyfoot, who was an obviously horrific mayor, the 424 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler. I don't know if he's 425 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: still the mayor. He might be gone now I got 426 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: a check. He certainly was one of the worst mayors. 427 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: He was somebody who was sucking up to Antifa and 428 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: then went out, did you ever see this? And he 429 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: went out to be like, I stand with you Antifa, 430 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: and they just started cursing at him and screaming at him. 431 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: And you're a sellout and you're you know, you're the 432 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: man and the whole thing, and you know this is 433 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: what is. It's not like we just talked about this 434 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: because we're in conservative media. This is happening in places 435 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: so while while the Libs are all upset about Disney, 436 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: which is fine and going to be fine some great 437 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: American cities. I mean, I think Portland's a beautiful place. 438 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: I really, We've got a great audience in the Portland area. 439 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: They know I love the Pacific Northwest, but the Democrat 440 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: policies are making it a place people don't want to be. 441 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: Good way to describe the reaction to George Floyd And 442 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: I know this buck because I've been going through all 443 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: the numbers as part of my new book that's going 444 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: to be out in September. Portland from two thousand to 445 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: two nineteen had an average of twenty one murders a year. 446 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: After the George Floyd protests and the violence, in twenty 447 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: twenty one, I believe they went over eighty murders. Just 448 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: think about how crazy that is for a city like Portland. Again, 449 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: I just gave you almost a generation worth of murder data. 450 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: Around twenty one people a year would be murdered in 451 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: Portland in the wake of the George Floyd murders. They 452 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: went over eighty, right, And by the way, it's because 453 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: the people who were protesting decided, as we all know, 454 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: that cops are evil. But Portland had almost no crime 455 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: at the time, and then they totally have fallen apart. 456 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: So some of these white woke cities that have allowed 457 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: the white woke class to effectively take over I don't 458 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: know what's the percentage of white residents of Portland. I 459 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: bet it's eighty five percent. Right. It's not a particularly 460 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: diverse community, and yet they allowed this George Floyd incident 461 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: to so take over their city that it destroyed the 462 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: essence of one of the most beautiful places in America. 463 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: On the case of Portland, you had overwhelmingly white Antifa yep, 464 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: trying to burn down a federal courthouse, but just in general, 465 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: create anarchy and destruction in the downtown and to create 466 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: the political lack of will for doing anything about this. Right, 467 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: Oh no, we don't want to, We don't want to 468 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: crack down on them, which then results in the police 469 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: backing off. And who in general and who suffers the 470 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: most in American cities when police are unable to protect 471 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: their communities high crime neighborhoods, which are disproportionately minority majority neighborhoods. 472 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: So when you actually look at at who suffers as 473 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: a result of the whether it's the BLM narrative in 474 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Portland or across the country, the data speaks very clearly 475 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: on this. And I just I remember going to Portland 476 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: and thinking, this place is so cool and pretty and 477 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: have such great food. But this was back in two 478 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: thousand and ten, was when I was the last time 479 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: I visited. And I remember also though, seeing already in 480 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: the downtown you started to just have that people camping out. 481 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: People There was this whole attitude of we're going to 482 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: take this approach of let people do drugs and let 483 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: people you know, sleep in the streets and live in 484 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: the streets and sell drugs and all this stuff, and 485 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: it all just builds, It all just cascades and gets worse. 486 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: And this is what we've seen now, and places really 487 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: suffer once the businesses of left Clay that now now 488 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: you're already behind right now. It's you're trying to rebuild, 489 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: you're not trying to just get things to normal. And 490 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: buckets double barreled too. It's not only the rise of 491 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: homeless population to many of these cities, it's also that 492 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't going back to office buildings. 493 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: You walk around a lot of American cities now and 494 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: remote work has taken over to such an extent, particularly 495 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: in cities where people had long commutes in the first place. 496 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: New York City, buck I think is only back to 497 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: fifty percent occupancy for many of the big buildings. A 498 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't going in. Basically, Monday and Friday 499 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: are no goes for many people. They might go in Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 500 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: but people are not making that trip into the office anymore. 501 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: This is a big deal. I was just up at 502 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: Fox News in New York City, shows and doing some 503 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: events up there. It's wild to see how few people 504 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: there are walking around on the streets in the middle 505 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: part of the day when you used to see every 506 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: store packed. Basically, while the administration right now considers declaring 507 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: a public health emergency on abortion, it only leaves unborn 508 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: children that much more vulnerable. In the near future. There's 509 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: at least one prominant forest working harder than ever to 510 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: protect those children. It's the nationwide Group of Preborn Network Clinics, 511 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: a safe place that pregnant women can get to and 512 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: receive all kinds of support that includes meeting the child 513 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: they're carrying via an ultrasound. Over the last seventeen years, 514 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Preborn has rescued over two hundred thousand babies. 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That you didn't 532 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: here on the show, get podcast extras in the Clay 533 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: and Buck podcast feet find it on the Iheardhap or 534 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back in Clay Turravis 535 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. We are rolling through the Thursday edition 536 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: of the program. Mentioned earlier some interesting polling data. We're 537 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: gonna hit it with you at the top of the 538 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: next hour from the State of Virginia, which again it's 539 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: polling data. I understand the apprehension associated with it. It's 540 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: actually very positive polling data, in particular for Glenn Junkin. 541 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: What does it tell us we know there are a 542 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: lot of people running now in twenty twenty four as 543 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: we try and figure out exactly how all this is 544 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: going to shake out. And I'll play some of that 545 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: audio for you in a moment, But first I wanted 546 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: to go to Rob in Portland, Oregon, retired Air Force officer. 547 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: How long have you been in Portland? What have you 548 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: seen happen to the city? Hey guys. Yeah, So I've 549 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: born and raised in the city, been there my entire life, 550 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: in and out. But I was there on twenty twenty 551 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: when that all happened after George Floyd died, and immediately 552 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: within the first month, because the fiscal year that Portland 553 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: operates on is July one to June, so at the 554 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: end of June they cut the support to the Portland 555 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Police by a twenty million, They disbanded the Gun Violent 556 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: Task Force, and immediately shootings went up and averaged about 557 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: one hundred a month. And like you said, there are 558 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: now upwards of one hundred killings annually, whereas growing up 559 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: it would be maybe twenty five year exactly what you said, 560 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: And what INTIFA is it changing at all? Like our people, 561 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: they're fed up with the choices that were made. What 562 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: are you seeing now compared to the mediate aftermath of 563 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: the George Floyd incident. So what I witness is democracy 564 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: is working. The people of Portland like who they voted for, 565 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: they liked the policies, they don't mind living with the 566 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: policies that they've gotten, and it's horrific that there's lots 567 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: of downtown Portland is still boarded up. They're still graffiti. 568 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: When Black Lives Matter and Antifa unite as a group, 569 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: they're called a group of people. They own the streets 570 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: of Portland. They don't call gangs gangs anymore because that's 571 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: a racist term. So it's groups of people. Is that true? Play? 572 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: I know Posse was racist, and then like what like 573 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: all these different words have gradually gotten taken over, so 574 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: now you can't even say gang anymore. They don't report 575 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: gang on the met the local media won't, we won't 576 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: say it, and nor will the public affairs of the 577 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: Police Bureau say it. Thanks for calling in. I mean, 578 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, Clay I said this yesterday, and I think 579 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: this is something that we've we've seen in a lot 580 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: of cities, and it's that you have a tolerance among 581 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: the left for anarchy, violence, decay, trash in the streets, 582 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: people living in the streets, you know, vagrants everywhere, all 583 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: this right open their drug use. Eventually they realize it's 584 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: it's maybe too much for them to handle. But they're 585 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: tolerance for this because they view it as a side 586 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: effect of their virtuous policies. Right, yeah, it's necessary. It's 587 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: necessary to pass through these phases of urban degradation in 588 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: order to get to a more just society. You know, 589 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: to make an omelet, you got to break a few eggs. 590 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: That really is the mentality of the Democrats in charge 591 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: in these places. So when the number get worse, when 592 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: the crime goes up, because they do things like as 593 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: the caller just said, and we've got a lot of 594 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: people who listen on k EX in Portland and Portland 595 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: area and they know this. They cut the budget and 596 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: everything gets worse. The Democrat. The first impulse of the 597 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: Democrat involved in a situation like this or when they 598 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: see this unfold isn't oh my gosh, what have we done? 599 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: It's this is the price we pay for equity. This 600 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: is the price that the city must pay to be 601 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: less racist and more safe. And I'm not sorry, I'm 602 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: more safe less racist, even if it makes the city 603 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: less safe. Well, in the particular arrogance of it, buck 604 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: is many of these woke white liberals living gated communities. 605 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: So really what they're choosing to do is make minorities 606 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: much less safe because in their mind the equity is 607 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: worth They're not even actually having to trade safety themselves 608 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: for virtue, well, trading safety for poorer people in exchange 609 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: for being virtuous themselves. So maybe that I think that 610 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: actually ties in perfectly to their threshold is different for 611 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: the suffering because maybe that you're right, Maybe they read 612 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: about the suffering in the higher crime neighborhoods. You know, 613 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: if you if you're somebody who I can speak to 614 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: New York, you know, if you live on the Upper 615 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: West Side, you get your New York Times, you read 616 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: about the crimes that are happening. They're generally happening, even 617 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: during a crime surge in eastern part of Brooklyn, South 618 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: part of the Bronx. This is where most of the 619 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: violent crime happens. But eventually it's some lunatic comes at 620 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: you with an ice pick when you're walking, you know, 621 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: the dog next to Central Park. Eventually it comes to 622 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: their name tapping in Chicago for sure, and that is 623 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: where the turning point happens. This is the story of 624 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: Buckhead in Atlanta. You know, you got a grandma who 625 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: was going out to a garage gets murdered, and the 626 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: people who live for people who don't know the Atlanta 627 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: area well, and I know we have a lot of 628 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: people who listen in the Atlanta area. That is what's 629 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: happening there so much so that Buckhead is saying we 630 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: can no longer be a part of Fulton County. Like 631 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: they're talking about seceding their community so they can have 632 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: their own police force and their own security in a 633 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: way that doesn't exist right now. I don't know what 634 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: the legality of that's going to end up being, but 635 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: if you know the city of Atlanta at all, Buckhead 636 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: very wealthy, very nice area of Atlanta, but there's rampant 637 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: violence on the streets and Buckhead now you don't feel 638 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: safe because Atlanta has fallen apart to such a degree. 639 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: This is where it always goes. This is what happens 640 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: when you take the left wing approach. You go back 641 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: and just look at the nineteen seventies in America and 642 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: what was happening then right there was all there were 643 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: police departments, were president then Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter. Indeed, sir, 644 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: you got some presidential analysis for us, Sir, I do. 645 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna go up to Virginia. Interesting numbers coming out 646 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: of Virginia that could spell some doom for one Joseph Biden. 647 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: We will discuss next