Speaker 1: Hey to welcome to I'm Doug gotlib this he is
Speaker 1: all ball.
Speaker 2: We got David Klass who course as the head coach
Speaker 2: at and Why a U Part two coming up, which
Speaker 2: includes what made him decide to leave Division one basketball? Actually,
Speaker 2: you know he left the private sector to become a coach.
Speaker 2: What made him leave a successful run in at Colgate
Speaker 2: to be in to be a head coach at the
Speaker 2: Division three level. So we'll get to that in a second. First,
Speaker 2: a couple of quick thoughts. You know, I was watching
Speaker 2: the US women's national team play and they got eliminated
Speaker 2: Ian soccer in the World Cup in round of sixteen,
Speaker 2: and it was it was making me think of those
Speaker 2: those dreary years of the men's side in basketball. Right,
Speaker 2: remember when we lost the World Championships on our old soil.
Speaker 2: We actually got third place in Argentina won it. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting, you know, we got the World Cup coming
Speaker 2: up this summer to recap it.
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr's coaching it.
Speaker 2: But you know, we've only been able to maintain this
Speaker 2: level of dominance for the most part.
Speaker 1: We have a couple of our star players.
Speaker 2: You know, the last Olympics was Kevin Durant, who kind
Speaker 2: of carried us actually probably last two Olympics. But now
Speaker 2: as we start getting further and further down the pecking order,
Speaker 2: we can act like we don't care, but even when
Speaker 2: we do care, we're not nearly as dominant as we
Speaker 2: used to be. And there's some parallels there obviously to
Speaker 2: the women's national team in soccer. But I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be fascinating to see kind of
Speaker 2: how we evolve as a national power in basketball as
Speaker 2: people have individually caught up to us. And remember FIBA,
Speaker 2: if you've played in those roles, it's a different game.
Speaker 2: But I'm interested to see, with kind of kind of
Speaker 2: some secondary even tertiary level talent for Steve Kerr, what
Speaker 2: that looks like in an international setting, because the game
Speaker 2: is very different, very physical, a lot more set oriented.
Speaker 2: In the past, let's just be honest, we've been able
Speaker 2: to win because we have a better player or two. Right,
Speaker 2: We play hard, play physical, and then we just jump
Speaker 2: up and make make a couple more shots and make
Speaker 2: up more atholic plays than anybody.
Speaker 1: Else, and that's that's been enough.
Speaker 2: But now once you get to a slightly lesser level
Speaker 2: of talent, I don't think you can win that way.
Speaker 2: I just don't. It doesn't mean they can't win. I
Speaker 2: just don't think they can win the way they've won previously. Right,
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's let let's catch up with David Clasky.
Speaker 2: Here's here's part two.
Speaker 3: You finish up a penn what what was your what
Speaker 3: was your thought in terms of your plan? What you
Speaker 3: wanted to do?
Speaker 4: So again, I worked that internship my junior summer and
Speaker 4: I got offered the job right after. So I had
Speaker 4: a job coming out of my senior year at marilynch
Speaker 4: which was a big time job. So I was excited
Speaker 4: about it. I was finally gonna make some money. I
Speaker 4: had a good senior year and then never even really
Speaker 4: thought about playing. And then I remember I got a
Speaker 4: call from a friend of mine who's an Asian, Keith Glass,
Speaker 4: and it was like, I can get you a job
Speaker 4: in Israel, Like you got citizenship, Do you want to play?
Speaker 4: And this was in like April, like when I was done, right,
Speaker 4: like I finished, and you you probably you played a
Speaker 4: couple of years after, so you were probably still in
Speaker 4: play mode. But I was already kind of checked out.
Speaker 4: I love basketball, but I was kind of like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: I play, Yeah, I do. I do want to play,
Speaker 4: but I haven't touched basketball in two weeks, you know,
Speaker 4: And I just I regret it now, but I wish
Speaker 4: I'd gone and played like a year or two and
Speaker 4: got to travel a little bit and competed and see
Speaker 4: see how it went. But I just I was so
Speaker 4: excited about this job and moving to New York City
Speaker 4: and having some money, and so I passed on that
Speaker 4: and I just I started working. You know, I think
Speaker 4: if we graduated in May, I probably started working middle
Speaker 4: of June. So I had a month to myself and
Speaker 4: traveled a little bit and then started the job. Yeah,
Speaker 4: every day for my first part, I work down on
Speaker 4: the floor of the New York Sock Exchange. So yeah,
Speaker 4: you would have to wear a shuit down there. It
Speaker 4: was more like a shirt and tie. Then you had
Speaker 4: a like a special jacket you would just put on
Speaker 4: you'd leave there, So yeah, dressed nicely. And then the
Speaker 4: next So I do that for two and a half years,
Speaker 4: and then five and a half years I was up
Speaker 4: on the like a floor at a different company called
Speaker 4: Night Capital, and that was Business Capsule, So that was
Speaker 4: you know, slacks and a button down.
Speaker 2: What is the floor like, you're twenty one years old
Speaker 2: on the floor in you Ark stock exchange.
Speaker 4: Again, you're at the bottom of the food chain, So
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how smart you are, doesn't matter how what
Speaker 4: you're going to be. You are at the bottom of
Speaker 4: the food chain. So anything that somebody doesn't want to do,
Speaker 4: or one of the senior traders, however they want to
Speaker 4: treat you, they can treat you. So it was pretty hectic.
Speaker 4: And this was before you know, computerization basically took effect,
Speaker 4: so there was a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 4: But it was I like to describe my jobs in
Speaker 4: Wall Street, of ninety percent of the time it was slow,
Speaker 4: You're messing around, you're doing fun you know, not fun things,
Speaker 4: but just like there's not a whole lot to do.
Speaker 4: And then ten percent of the time it is super
Speaker 4: intense and you have to be on top of your game.
Speaker 4: You gotta be able to handle pressure, you got to
Speaker 4: be able to react quickly. And those are the things
Speaker 4: that actually liked about the job because of the sports background.
Speaker 4: But that's basically what it was like, is you know,
Speaker 4: ninety percent of a time you're just down there screwing around,
Speaker 4: like trying to keep busy and figure out what to do,
Speaker 4: waiting for that when you know a news story came out,
Speaker 4: or earnings or something that would cause some craziness.
Speaker 3: What brought you back to basketball?
Speaker 4: So four years into working on Wall Street, and I
Speaker 4: was playing men's leagues the whole time. I remember I
Speaker 4: was in a men's league and you know, shot gos,
Speaker 4: I box a guy to like the foul line, and
Speaker 4: ref blows the whistle and he calls a foul of me,
Speaker 4: and I lost it. I was like, you know, twenty
Speaker 4: five years all the time, still in good shape. I
Speaker 4: was like, what are you talking about? That's exactly how
Speaker 4: you teach it. And this ref is like, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't like I'm making thirty bucks an hour here
Speaker 4: like or probably less at that time, Like I don't
Speaker 4: want to hear from you. And I was just like
Speaker 4: what am I doing arguing with this ref? And something
Speaker 4: clicked that I need to get back involved in basketball
Speaker 4: at a high level to teach the game, not just
Speaker 4: how to box out, which to teach the game that's
Speaker 4: I love the game. And so I went home and
Speaker 4: I googled local division two and three spots near where
Speaker 4: my office was, and a steven Steck popped up, which
Speaker 4: is in Hoboken, New Jersey, and Shongely enough, my freshman
Speaker 4: basketball coach was working there as a coach. So I
Speaker 4: hit him up and I explained him what I want
Speaker 4: to do. I was like, look, I got a full
Speaker 4: time job. I don't want to like I don't need money,
Speaker 4: but I would just want to help. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: come on, come meet the head coach, who's Josh Leffler
Speaker 4: who's now at Cincinnati as an assistant coach who wasn't
Speaker 4: Hopkins for a while. And Josh was like, great, so
Speaker 4: you want to help and not get paid. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll take you. So so for four years I just
Speaker 4: did that. I worked and then I would shoot over
Speaker 4: Stevens and I just I really enjoyed it, Like I'd
Speaker 4: be at my desk at work calling him. And it
Speaker 4: was a different head coach next three years, Bobby Hurley
Speaker 4: who's still there at Stevens, and I just found that
Speaker 4: this is great and I didn't want to jump in,
Speaker 4: like you know, the coaching ranks, you got to jump
Speaker 4: in and like grad assistant and climb, climb, climb, So like,
Speaker 4: I'm never going to do that, Like I got too
Speaker 4: good a job. But then Matt Lango got Colgate, and
Speaker 4: I remember hitting him up and be like, who's Dump
Speaker 4: going to hire at Temple? And you know, looking back,
Speaker 4: that's ludicrous to just be out of the business to
Speaker 4: Temple assistant. But I knew I could do a good job,
Speaker 4: or I thought I could, and I knew Dump, but
Speaker 4: he was like, how about Like what do you think
Speaker 4: about Colgate? And I was like, where's Colgate?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: But then I thought about it and really was like,
Speaker 4: this is this is a great opportunity to come in
Speaker 4: as an assistant coach under a guy that I really
Speaker 4: respect and trust and and uh, and then just went
Speaker 4: for it hard and talked through it and he he
Speaker 4: was like, you should check into a mental health institution
Speaker 4: getting out of finance coming into coaching, But if you
Speaker 4: want to do this, let's do it. And so that
Speaker 4: so I kind of got in, not at the level
Speaker 4: that you have to get in always at that time,
Speaker 4: and then just kept going any regrets, No, No, I
Speaker 4: mean I think regrets is not the right word, because
Speaker 4: I love, like, I don't feel like I have a
Speaker 4: job now. It's great like, you coach basketball, It's it's tremendous.
Speaker 4: I would say some misinformation in my own head, right,
Speaker 4: Like I just assumed I was in finance. If you
Speaker 4: do well in your job, you make more money, right,
Speaker 4: That's just how it works, right, And and coaching, I
Speaker 4: was just like, Okay, we're gonna kill it. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: just I'm gonna be a Division one head coach in
Speaker 4: five to ten years. And I think that was flawed.
Speaker 4: I think we all know that that's a really hard
Speaker 4: thing to do from Colgate with my background. Right, if
Speaker 4: you're an NBA player or you have some coaching blood
Speaker 4: in your in your background, it might be a little easier.
Speaker 4: But we did really well. And I just remember for
Speaker 4: years being like, I don't know what my path is
Speaker 4: because this is such a hard business. It's it's I
Speaker 4: think I'm doing a good job. I think I know
Speaker 4: what leads to winning. I know how to recruit, I
Speaker 4: know how to coach. But it's not paying dividends. You're
Speaker 4: not moving up in the world. So that was that
Speaker 4: was the only I wouldn't call her regret. I would
Speaker 4: just misinformation in my own head.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm what about what about just the idea of like,
Speaker 2: you know, your fourth year in finance. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many years would have taken you to really kill it, right,
Speaker 2: But like you see those guys that work for funds
Speaker 2: or have their own fund and they can then do
Speaker 2: it literally whatever they want, yeah, right, And I just
Speaker 2: was it was it the right time or did you
Speaker 2: pull the ripcord early, you know, before you got to
Speaker 2: that you know, magic seven figure level where you could
Speaker 2: do whatever the hell you wanted.
Speaker 4: I wasn't in a position, I don't think where I
Speaker 4: like was on a path to right, Like I wasn't
Speaker 4: investment banking to buyside two portfolio manager, which is like
Speaker 4: a like a vary for those that don't know, that's
Speaker 4: that's like a very prominent path, right. I was a trader,
Speaker 4: and I actually was interviewing for a job to be
Speaker 4: a trader at a hedge fund that I probably would
Speaker 4: still be at. But I never was on the path
Speaker 4: to like I didn't see a path right. I mean,
Speaker 4: I was making good money and I would have continued
Speaker 4: to increase, but I don't know. I just thought that
Speaker 4: this was the time to do something you love and
Speaker 4: figured out later, Like I figured i'd figure out a
Speaker 4: way to make money and live. And obviously Hamilton's the
Speaker 4: cost of living is way different than what I'm dealing
Speaker 4: with now in the New York City metropolitan area. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it just all kind of came together. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like I hated my job. I
Speaker 4: loved my job in finance like trading, but this just
Speaker 4: seemed like I would you know, the alarm would go
Speaker 4: off and I'd still be like, oh, you know, now
Speaker 4: that doesn't have anymore. So that's that's the probably the
Speaker 4: biggest difference.
Speaker 3: Why why has Lango? Why has he been so successful?
Speaker 4: He's the best coach in the country that no one
Speaker 4: knows about is the is the best way to put it.
Speaker 4: He's extremely thoughtful and everything he does so he's really smart,
Speaker 4: he knows the game really well, and he is the
Speaker 4: most genuine guy you'll ever meet. So those three things
Speaker 4: will lead to win him. Right now. He is not
Speaker 4: a guy that's on social media or in interviews that
Speaker 4: you know out there self promoting, I guess, and so
Speaker 4: I have no problem with self promoting, but he's not
Speaker 4: that guy. So I think in his circles everyone knows
Speaker 4: how special he is and if you follow the Patriot
Speaker 4: League at all or you've you know, you've seen it
Speaker 4: because what he what he's done and what we did
Speaker 4: there is it's impressive. Like Colgate is a really hard
Speaker 4: place to recruit and key players, yet he's done that.
Speaker 4: We did that for many years now. So I think
Speaker 4: he's just he thinks about everything, and he cares, and
Speaker 4: it's obvious that he cares, and he's really smart. He
Speaker 4: knows the game, which I think a lot of coaches do,
Speaker 4: but he the way he presents it and how he
Speaker 4: can recruit to what he's doing is it's top level.
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Speaker 2: What about the old getting guys to play at that
Speaker 2: magic level? What's his secret to get getting in place?
Speaker 3: Had?
Speaker 4: I think honesty is a big part of his thing.
Speaker 4: Is like he'll be direct with you, like you can
Speaker 4: do better, right, and he has. He's very good with
Speaker 4: when you're not doing that, pulling you aside, having a
Speaker 4: meeting with you, talking through things. He calls himself like
Speaker 4: a shrink because you know, there's so many instances where
Speaker 4: these kids just need mentorship and that will help them.
Speaker 4: But I think because he believes in people so much,
Speaker 4: they want to do well for him. And again you'll
Speaker 4: never hear him say anything like demeaning, but he drives
Speaker 4: you to be your best. And now a little bit
Speaker 4: of is the culture that was created there. You know,
Speaker 4: you come in as a freshman and guys you're just
Speaker 4: in the gym working, and then practices, guys are competing.
Speaker 4: So it's like if I don't do that, I'm sticking
Speaker 4: out and that takes time. But that's where Colgate is
Speaker 4: at right now, is you go to go practice. It's
Speaker 4: just like again that it's gonna be the fourth year
Speaker 4: or they're old. But think about that. How does that work?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: It means you're keeping players and you have one or
Speaker 4: two in each class that are leaders that are dictating
Speaker 4: how the best of the program is working. Because that's
Speaker 4: what happened when they are freshman sophomorees. So it's just
Speaker 4: it's been a great cycle. And you know, like you
Speaker 4: said before, sometimes you have three good years and then
Speaker 4: you have the rebuilding year. Well it's been five. I
Speaker 4: think they made the championships six straight years now, So
Speaker 4: that's two cycles of recruiting.
Speaker 2: Classes, right, plus when he got there, when you guys
Speaker 2: first got there, and Bucknell was domin the Teama League, right,
Speaker 2: great town, the Austin Arena, good tradition, right, And their
Speaker 2: fall has coincided with the rise of Colgate, and Colgate
Speaker 2: is and I've never been to Hamilton, but it's it's
Speaker 2: not it's not Bucknell. Where is it Lewiston, Louisbourg, It's
Speaker 2: not Louisbourg. And the facility, you know again, it's like
Speaker 2: a high school gym at Colgate, right, whereas Louis Bucknell's
Speaker 2: is really nice, beautiful. It's just interesting to be able
Speaker 2: to do it from the bottom to the top. And
Speaker 2: you know, while there are other teams with maybe better
Speaker 2: resources and better history, that's that's even even more impressive.
Speaker 3: What was it like to lead?
Speaker 4: It was difficult but rewarding, right, Like I'd been there
Speaker 4: eleven years and I knew this was gonna be the case.
Speaker 4: But it recruited a lot of the players on the team,
Speaker 4: but I needed I needed more, Like Matt now is
Speaker 4: in a really good spot and he might I don't
Speaker 4: know what he's going to do, but he might be
Speaker 4: there for twenty years, right, and I just had bigger
Speaker 4: I said this all the time, even on recruiting visits
Speaker 4: when parents would ask me, like, what's your plan, and
Speaker 4: be like, look like, I love it here. I'm not
Speaker 4: leaving for just any job, but I have ambition. I
Speaker 4: want to be a head coach, and if the right
Speaker 4: opportunity ever presents itself, then yeah, I would have to
Speaker 4: take it, but like it's going to take a lot,
Speaker 4: because we had a real good thing going here, Matt.
Speaker 4: It's a great boss. Like I said, we had it going,
Speaker 4: but it was tough. I remember talking to the players
Speaker 4: and I'm not like the most emotional guy, but it
Speaker 4: was hard just to let them know, guys, I'm out
Speaker 4: of here. And and even in the back of my head,
Speaker 4: I know, like life will go on. You know, they'll
Speaker 4: still be good and everyone's thinks they're more important than
Speaker 4: they are, and they'll still probably win the next couple
Speaker 4: of years. But it's just, you know, you feel like
Speaker 4: you're leaving a little bit of who you are because
Speaker 4: I've been there eleven years. But on the flip side,
Speaker 4: I was so excited to finally be able to have
Speaker 4: my own flavor and control of a program right and NYU.
Speaker 4: It was the type of job that I thought was
Speaker 4: a really great opportunity that made sense leaving. And part
Speaker 4: of it was my fam. I grew up in New Jersey,
Speaker 4: so I was coming back to the Tri state area
Speaker 4: and and you know, there's you haven't been to Hamilton,
Speaker 4: but there's not a whole lot out there. You're you're
Speaker 4: the town is beautiful. You're isolated, though, and just getting
Speaker 4: back into civilization was exciting for me and my family.
Speaker 4: So it all kind of kind of made sense. So
Speaker 4: very difficult to leave. We've made a lot of close
Speaker 4: relationships and had some friends that we had to leave,
Speaker 4: but we were excited and ready for the new challenge.
Speaker 3: So what's the challenge like to build it at your level?
Speaker 4: It's different, It's different in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 4: So Number one, when I would recruit at Colgate, the
Speaker 4: first call, unless you were Northeast and kind of understood
Speaker 4: what was going on, nobody knew what Colgate was, right,
Speaker 4: tremendous product, but you have to explain that. So there's
Speaker 4: people in the Midwest and West they don't even know
Speaker 4: what Colgate is, right, Maybe they've seen us on the bracket,
Speaker 4: but they have no idea where we are, no idea
Speaker 4: what academics that are. But then they look it up
Speaker 4: and they see and oh, yeah, this is actually really good.
Speaker 4: NYU is the exact opposite. Everyone knows the NYU brand,
Speaker 4: everyone is familiar with New York City, so that right
Speaker 4: off the bat was a completely different situation. I'm getting
Speaker 4: calls from guys, I mean, like yourself, you know, like
Speaker 4: you got a friend that, oh, he really loves NYU.
Speaker 4: We never got that at Colgate. No one. No one
Speaker 4: is their sophomore junior year saying I want to go
Speaker 4: to Colgate. That my dream school, whereas we've had multiple
Speaker 4: players like NYU is my dream school. I really want
Speaker 4: to go to NYU and they're good players. So that's
Speaker 4: one of the biggest differences just in terms of scope
Speaker 4: of school. No one's Division three. One's Division one. And
Speaker 4: I'm talking on a relative basis here, like we're not
Speaker 4: out Colgate, but on a relative basis. It's been different
Speaker 4: in that regard now similar to what we had at Colgate.
Speaker 4: When we took over at Colgate, it was a team
Speaker 4: that had been struggling, but there were some promising pieces,
Speaker 4: and I thought the same thing about this NYU that
Speaker 4: had been struggling. But I was looking at the roster
Speaker 4: and saying, okay, if I can recruit one or two guys,
Speaker 4: which I ended up getting two tremendous grad transfers, which
Speaker 4: is part of the reason why we were good last year.
Speaker 4: But I thought that it would take some time. But again,
Speaker 4: I just wanted to build it and start with the
Speaker 4: culture and try and get it to what it was
Speaker 4: at Colgate, where guys were competing and playing hard and
Speaker 4: in the gym all the time and playing for each other.
Speaker 4: But that takes time. And luckily we had a group
Speaker 4: that really bought into just they all wanted to get better,
Speaker 4: so we were able to do it a little quicker
Speaker 4: than I thought. But it's not easy. It's not easy,
Speaker 4: and we're still working on. Like I'm terrified about this
Speaker 4: year because we did have a little bit of success
Speaker 4: last year, and we all know how small the margins
Speaker 4: are in college basketball. That if our guys come in
Speaker 4: thinking they're too good or better than they are, we're
Speaker 4: gonna get knocked off, which is what we were doing
Speaker 4: last year, and nobody thought that was possible.
Speaker 3: What about you mentioned your two grad transfers.
Speaker 2: What was that experience like for you, because I don't
Speaker 2: know for a fact, but I'm guessing at Colgate, you
Speaker 2: guys didn't have transfers.
Speaker 4: So Colgate actually when we first got there and transfers
Speaker 4: again weren't the thing that was our route. We got transfers,
Speaker 4: and for about four years, four or five years, every
Speaker 4: transfer we got was all leave. And then everybody got
Speaker 4: onto it. And now it's a little bit harder to
Speaker 4: get the good transfers at Colgate, but at NYU, because
Speaker 4: we have grad school, it's kind of a game changer.
Speaker 4: So we were able to get you know, Spencer Friedman
Speaker 4: from Harvard as a grad transfer, and then Michael Savarrino
Speaker 4: coached Szchewski's grandson from Duke as a grad transfer, and
Speaker 4: both those guys ended up. You know, Spencer was I
Speaker 4: think I'm biased, but he's the best point guarding the
Speaker 4: country at this level, and sav Reno was a starter
Speaker 4: for us. So two guys that were able to come
Speaker 4: in and want to be in New York City and
Speaker 4: have great attitudes and just you know, they had some
Speaker 4: struggles at their other school and then it's like boom,
Speaker 4: here we go. Now I'm a leader of a team
Speaker 4: I'm playing, so they were just ready to lead. And
Speaker 4: again we have two more grad transfers coming in. It's
Speaker 4: a route that I'll continue to look at. In addition
Speaker 4: to whatever everyone's bigging, I'll probably be zagging. But at
Speaker 4: n YU you can out recruit some guys, so we'll
Speaker 4: continue just trying to get the best available.
Speaker 3: What's that? What was it like to coach your first
Speaker 3: game as a head coach?
Speaker 4: The first game I'm playing against Farmingdale State and one
Speaker 4: of my closest friends, Brendan Toomey, who I worked with
Speaker 4: at Stevens. So I got the job and you don't
Speaker 4: know what the schedule is like when you get the
Speaker 4: job and he hits me up, he's like, yes, you're
Speaker 4: your first game is against It's like, no way, that's impossible.
Speaker 4: So so god it was. It was a weird experience
Speaker 4: because I'm rooting for him as well. You obviously moved
Speaker 4: for your friends and they're good, like they they made
Speaker 4: the NCA tournament this year. So I was just like,
Speaker 4: I can't believe my first game, I'm going to lose
Speaker 4: at home to my friend. It was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm happy for him, but I'm nervous that this is
Speaker 4: what it's going to look like, NYU losing a Farmingdell state.
Speaker 4: But we ended up playing out of our minds and
Speaker 4: I just remember him looking down. We must have shot
Speaker 4: sixty percent from three and him just looking down at
Speaker 4: me and be like, T class, what is going on here?
Speaker 4: Because who shoots sixty percent? And I was like, I
Speaker 4: have no idea, this is ridiculous. But it was a
Speaker 4: precursor for for things to come, because we ended up
Speaker 4: did shoot shooting really well this year, probably shot close
Speaker 4: to forty percent as a team, and that was kind
Speaker 4: of what we did. We fired threes.
Speaker 2: How has and I obviously it hasn't been a long
Speaker 2: time for you at the D three level, but knowing
Speaker 2: how recruiting at the D one level has changed, right
Speaker 2: where guys, you know, outside of the top one hundred,
Speaker 2: a lot of dudes are just waiting for an offer.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll tell you take a D two, take a
Speaker 2: D three, you know, have a good have a good
Speaker 2: year or two, and then transfer up. And some of
Speaker 2: that was more COVID, but still post COVID is still
Speaker 2: still happening with the transfer portal. How has that changed
Speaker 2: who you can go after when you go into a
Speaker 2: gym to recruit.
Speaker 4: So it's completely changed right now, especially at NYU and
Speaker 4: knowing how successful grand transfers are being, well, of course
Speaker 4: I'm going to look at that again. So part of
Speaker 4: some of our best recruiting this fall is going to
Speaker 4: be calling my buddies, the ivy's and patriots, and who
Speaker 4: are your seniors that can't transfer up, can't transfer latterly
Speaker 4: but can want to continue to play and are pretty
Speaker 4: good And there's our guys on our radar right It's
Speaker 4: it's changed, and I am a little bit nervous, and
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how it's going to play out.
Speaker 4: If there's going to be the trickle up effect at
Speaker 4: our level right like it's happened at the low majors
Speaker 4: now and there's this few holdouts that like Colgate where
Speaker 4: the guys aren't leaving, but pretty much across the board,
Speaker 4: if you have a good first two years, you're going up. Right.
Speaker 4: Is that going to trickle down to our level where
Speaker 4: we're high level D three? Are those guys going to
Speaker 4: go low level D one? I don't know, you know
Speaker 4: after two years? I hope because of our academics that
Speaker 4: you're giving up that NYU degree, that maybe it won't
Speaker 4: hit us as hard. But I am waiting patiently, hopefully
Speaker 4: for that not to happen. But it is something that
Speaker 4: I think about and again, like it's past the point
Speaker 4: where loyalty. And I'm not saying I wouldn't do the
Speaker 4: same thing, but you just have to understand that there's
Speaker 4: a chance that may happen. If a guy as a
Speaker 4: monster freshman sophomore year, you may have a sit down
Speaker 4: with him and him say I gotta go, especially with
Speaker 4: the money involved. Now, I gotta go, try and go
Speaker 4: a little bit higher, and I'll be upset and I'll
Speaker 4: talk through it and try and give the best advice possible.
Speaker 4: But sometimes that advice is wait, they're gonna pay you what? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's still pretty good school. All right.
Speaker 4: It sucks for us, but I get it.
Speaker 2: What is D three like from a coaching perspective, because
Speaker 2: you would you have one assistant.
Speaker 4: I have two full time assistants in a part time
Speaker 4: so a little bit than most D three.
Speaker 2: Is right, So what is like, this is all you do?
Speaker 2: But do you guys chase them the class?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Are you Are you in on a workout? Do you
Speaker 2: guys have summer workout programs? Like what is what is
Speaker 2: the job like at your level compared to other levels?
Speaker 4: So D three there's no off season workouts, right, so
Speaker 4: summer they just added a rule. Actually this year we
Speaker 4: get eight out of season time days with our players,
Speaker 4: so that does change the game a little bit, but
Speaker 4: it's different like the summer, the fall and postseason. There's
Speaker 4: just not that much you can do with the guys, right,
Speaker 4: Like it's not the full time job. It is out
Speaker 4: of season that it is in D one, right, you're
Speaker 4: still doing workouts and left and then you have back
Speaker 4: for the summer a little bit. Whereas our guys it's
Speaker 4: you know, summer, we're checking in with them weekly, trying
Speaker 4: to get on the phone with them. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: What are you doing? Basketballall is trying to help them
Speaker 4: find workouts, find pickup games. But it's it's a lot different,
Speaker 4: which is good. Like, I mean, I enjoy the summers
Speaker 4: in the fall so far, but I feel like I
Speaker 4: have a million other things to do, meaning, okay, let's
Speaker 4: run a camp, let's let's get on the road a
Speaker 4: little bit more. Let's let's start to think about team
Speaker 4: activities that we can do all those things. You just
Speaker 4: have a little bit more time to think about. But
Speaker 4: once you're in season, it's pretty much exactly the same.
Speaker 4: Right then then because we can do individual workouts and
Speaker 4: things like that. We'll have practice, then they'll get with
Speaker 4: the assistant coaches and get some extra work in or
Speaker 4: come later and either by themselves or with a coach.
Speaker 4: Sometimes in the morning they'll come in for film. So
Speaker 4: it's pretty similar during the year, but outside it's completely different.
Speaker 4: I just you feel like you're involved in everything at
Speaker 4: D one as a coach, and D three it's there's
Speaker 4: just not as much as that. And again you asked
Speaker 4: about like walking to class. We were fortunate enough at
Speaker 4: Colgate not to have to worry about that as much.
Speaker 4: There were a couple guys like I would say, you know,
Speaker 4: one guy every two years that you really were worried
Speaker 4: about on the academic side. But for the most part,
Speaker 4: these guys take care of themselves, and especially at NYU,
Speaker 4: where they there's no you know, you're not getting in
Speaker 4: the guy down here on the academic totem pole, right
Speaker 4: These guys are getting in on own for the most part,
Speaker 4: So they're so driven that they are they're motivating themselves
Speaker 4: to do what they need to do in the classroom.
Speaker 4: So I came in like, yeah, we're gonna do study hall,
Speaker 4: this and that, we're gonna meet And I talked to a
Speaker 4: lot of the other coaches like, you don't really need
Speaker 4: all that. You're not gonna need all that. They're they're
Speaker 4: gonna take care of themselves. And we still try and
Speaker 4: monitor it because they're eighteen to twenty two year olds
Speaker 4: and they screw up. But for the most part, these
Speaker 4: guys are on their own and they are self motivated
Speaker 4: to do the best they can in the classroom.
Speaker 2: What's the goal, right, Like you said you want to
Speaker 2: be a coach. Now you're a coach, I'm sure you
Speaker 2: want to try and win a Division three national championship.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting, right, Like Matt's a perfect example. Maybe
Speaker 2: those guys have it figured out, right that like like
Speaker 2: just go somewhere that you can build a team and
Speaker 2: have the same guys back instead of you know what
Speaker 2: is it more money, more problems? Right, and that high
Speaker 2: level stuff. One A lot of times you got to
Speaker 2: go to a place that you don't really know anybody right,
Speaker 2: and it becomes kind of insulurt. So it's like you
Speaker 2: can bring your friends, but still it's it's a weird.
Speaker 2: But two, you're just you know, especially now as you
Speaker 2: mentioned with the nil, like I don't know. I mean
Speaker 2: you're literally making a new team every year and as
Speaker 2: as you know, and you can tell me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: Like I just I think the magic to college athletics
Speaker 2: is watching a kid like you come in as a
Speaker 2: freshman as one thing, and then by a seat right
Speaker 2: like and then all the things you do together. And
Speaker 2: obviously I transferred, and I may have transferred and I
Speaker 2: got in trouble note name, but I'm like, I remember
Speaker 2: we're playing in the sweet sixteen Seaton Hall, Tommy and
Speaker 2: Christine and uh we had a play we had stolen
Speaker 2: from Tim Floyd called Cyclone and we ran the ship
Speaker 2: out of it our sophomore year and some of our
Speaker 2: junior year and we never put it in our senior
Speaker 2: year ever.
Speaker 3: And uh, they were guarding us, weird.
Speaker 2: They were not gardener us with two dudes, and it
Speaker 2: was like a instead of a tryang one too, it
Speaker 2: is like a guard three and an eye, you know.
Speaker 3: Cut a formation. So we came up with the idea
Speaker 3: of hey, let's let's run cyclone. Everybody know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like hadn't practiced it, hadn't talked about it, Coaches
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. We're just like started running like a
Speaker 2: and then we come over to the sideline and Sean
Speaker 2: was like John Suttons.
Speaker 3: It was like he's basically offensive coordinator, Like y'all know
Speaker 3: the cyclone. It's like, yeah, that was a good idea.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know shit. And then we had an.
Speaker 2: Inbound play we ran and we like all saw it
Speaker 2: and I mean just a little you know, like diagonal
Speaker 2: screen or whatever and uh screen the screen reaction.
Speaker 3: But we didn't have it in the package. And you know,
Speaker 3: in the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2: Games, you got a week to go through all the film,
Speaker 2: so they go through every game that you didn't they
Speaker 2: didn't go through last year.
Speaker 5: But the idea that you.
Speaker 2: Can actually run stuff and talk about reference things from
Speaker 2: prese here. I was at Oklahoma State watching them work
Speaker 2: out this summer. They got nine new guys. Nine not
Speaker 2: a player that one player in their program. H and
Speaker 2: he's one player program who started his career as that's
Speaker 2: still that's that's a sophomore. Beyond right, they have like
Speaker 2: six freshmen. But like it's crazy crazy, So I guess
Speaker 2: that's the question to you. Right, you're in New York,
Speaker 2: it's very early on, right, it's not like you've been
Speaker 2: there for ten years. What's the thoughts of the climb
Speaker 2: as opposed to be happy where you are?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to touch on two different thing
Speaker 4: here because you brought up something I think is really important.
Speaker 4: And you know, in this day and age, freedom of
Speaker 4: choice is so important and I feel strongly about that,
Speaker 4: Like kids and coaches should have choice. Right, So that's
Speaker 4: why this transfer thing has blown up, because we were
Speaker 4: restricting their ability to have choice. The unintended consequences of
Speaker 4: that is you lose what you just talked about and
Speaker 4: was what my best experience of college was, right the
Speaker 4: roller coaster and being with those same guys over four
Speaker 4: years and going to the locker room and making fun
Speaker 4: of Dom for or you know, imitating his voices. You know,
Speaker 4: like those things are so fun. And now you look
Speaker 4: at what college basketball is at the higher levels and
Speaker 4: there's none of that. Like you're you're basically friends for
Speaker 4: a year. You may stay in touch, but like, are
Speaker 4: six those or you know, I think I had six
Speaker 4: or seven guys at my wedding on my team, right,
Speaker 4: and they're some of these guys are my best friends.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you get that anymore, which is
Speaker 4: what college sports to me and you and everybody in
Speaker 4: our generation was kind of about. And now it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: well at least they have choice, but their experience isn't
Speaker 4: as good. So it's like, I don't know what the rung.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the I know it's become
Speaker 2: like unintended consequences, but I mean, I hate to say it,
Speaker 2: but I would telling people this shit was coming a
Speaker 2: long time ago.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was.
Speaker 2: Coming out, when I was going into college sporting we
Speaker 2: used to get the Sporting News and they had there
Speaker 2: was a poll there where sixty eight percent of college
Speaker 2: basketball players would transfer if they didn't have to sit
Speaker 2: out a year.
Speaker 3: I was like sixty eight percent.
Speaker 2: So I mean, obviously like ten percent of the best players,
Speaker 2: I think all the shots they ain't going anywhere. You know,
Speaker 2: probably another ten percent of like, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be the best player, so and then it's like everybody
Speaker 2: else's but it's a I mean, look, basketball can be
Speaker 2: a sea of unhappiness. You know, there's one basketball, there's
Speaker 2: twelve guys, is only one guy gets to shoot. That
Speaker 2: doesn't always work out great for everybody. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I don't know how he put the genie back
Speaker 2: in the bottle. But it's like all of the things
Speaker 2: that made the sport great, with the exception of the
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, it's like the only thing that remains the
Speaker 2: same are gone, you know, are gone. And I'd like
Speaker 2: to think that people had their best intentions at heart
Speaker 2: in evolving it. You know that they just wanted to,
Speaker 2: like you said, give kids a choice, and now it's
Speaker 2: you know, put some money in kids pockets. But we
Speaker 2: had a pendulum has swung to a level that it's
Speaker 2: not in a super healthy place from people who like
Speaker 2: love it. That's the other part to it. Is like
Speaker 2: most guys and you can tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Those guys like they love it, like this is not
Speaker 2: a financial win, you know, you're not like, hey man,
Speaker 2: when I get sixty three, I'm shutting it down and
Speaker 2: I'm going to live on an island. And I got
Speaker 2: a boat and I got into their house, Like, that's
Speaker 2: not how it works for most people, right, So I
Speaker 2: just I do wonder how you fix it. But I
Speaker 2: do think that like a division two and Division three
Speaker 2: is they can be a little bit of the beneficiary
Speaker 2: of all the mess that's Division one.
Speaker 4: I completely agree. And when you ask about so now
Speaker 4: I'll come back to the original question of just goals. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be at that level. And it's
Speaker 4: hard to say that because they throw so much money
Speaker 4: at you that it's like, all right, well, can I
Speaker 4: put up with that for four million a year? Probably,
Speaker 4: But it's not why I got into coaching. It's not
Speaker 4: what I enjoy about coaching. So for me, like when
Speaker 4: I took this job, I took this full well knowing
Speaker 4: that this was a good spot to be and if
Speaker 4: I'm there for twenty years, that's great. Now, I do
Speaker 4: think that the Ivs and the Patriots to a degree,
Speaker 4: and some of the other high academic schools have a
Speaker 4: little bit of what we have at the lower levels
Speaker 4: of building. And so again, like if if they came calling,
Speaker 4: sure I'd entertain it. But to me, this is where
Speaker 4: I want to be, this is where I want to grow.
Speaker 4: I think I can have a really good life, you know,
Speaker 4: forget about winning, which I also think I can do,
Speaker 4: but I think I can enjoy life with my family
Speaker 4: at this spot. I think it's I think it's again
Speaker 4: on biased. I think it's the best Division three job
Speaker 4: in the country. I think we can win, and I
Speaker 4: think I can have a good work life balance. But again,
Speaker 4: like I don't want to say nothing would entertain me,
Speaker 4: because I do like there is a there is a
Speaker 4: difference between D one and D three A And the
Speaker 4: example I use is when we wanted Colgate and got
Speaker 4: to the nca tournament, I must have had five hundred
Speaker 4: techs right from friends, from people in the business, just
Speaker 4: everybody cares. Right, it's the NCAA torment. It's just the
Speaker 4: magnitude is so big in Division three. I haven't done
Speaker 4: this yet. But if you win the national championship, nobody
Speaker 4: knows except for the Division three circles. Right, Like there's
Speaker 4: there's people that are Division one coaches that if you
Speaker 4: like who won the Division three championship, they may not know, right,
Speaker 4: And that's no one would would feel that like and
Speaker 4: even like my friends that aren't in basketball that I
Speaker 4: live next to, like they don't know how I'm doing,
Speaker 4: so that, but they would know if Colgate won a
Speaker 4: game in the nca TORN or made the twin. So
Speaker 4: the scope is just so much bigger. And I'm not
Speaker 4: saying I need that. I'm just saying that is what
Speaker 4: the difference.
Speaker 2: No, but you want your everybody wants their work to
Speaker 2: be rerecorded. Yes, that's yes, that's that's that's very normal.
Speaker 2: Is PEN The dream job.
Speaker 4: Pen is a A I don't know if I have
Speaker 4: a dream job. I feel I'm always like, I just
Speaker 4: like where I am usually right, So I don't want
Speaker 4: to say dream job. PEN is obviously a tremendous job
Speaker 4: that if I ever got the opportunity, that would be
Speaker 4: a really special opportunity, you know, going back to your
Speaker 4: alma mater and doing what you love and hoping to
Speaker 4: take them the new levels. But yeah, it's one of
Speaker 4: the schools that fits in that bucket that I just
Speaker 4: talked about where I think you can still have the
Speaker 4: experience of coaching and building and not just you know,
Speaker 4: talent acquisition, which is essentially what high level basketball is
Speaker 4: right now. But I think because of the PEN degree,
Speaker 4: you can build and people don't want to just leave,
Speaker 4: like there's other reasons keeping them there, which is a
Speaker 4: Pen degree or a Wharton degree, whatever school you're in
Speaker 4: at Pen, So it would take a lot to leave
Speaker 4: Pen if you're a player. But you know they just
Speaker 4: lost their best player because he's about to get paid
Speaker 4: right to Saint John's. So it does happen. And like
Speaker 4: I said before, you have to be okay with that
Speaker 4: situation arising, or at this point you can't be in
Speaker 4: this business.
Speaker 3: How do you do the work life balance thing.
Speaker 4: It's challenging. It's challenging. I think every coach will will
Speaker 4: say the same. And again, I have three kids under
Speaker 4: seven right now, so there's a lot. It's my wife
Speaker 4: is a saint and she is supportive and you need that.
Speaker 4: I think it helps tremendously. But I just try and
Speaker 4: try and do the best. You can read everything right,
Speaker 4: So can I schedule a practice where I can make
Speaker 4: my kids game at nine am? Which is great to
Speaker 4: the head coach because you can do some of those
Speaker 4: things now. And then just being president when you can
Speaker 4: be president with the family and trying to just juggle
Speaker 4: as many things as possible, but also giving your all
Speaker 4: to the team and the players in the school. But
Speaker 4: it's challenging. There's times where you have to be away
Speaker 4: from the family and that's tough. That's tough. But there's
Speaker 4: times now that you can't do much in the summer
Speaker 4: where I get a little bit extra time with the family.
Speaker 4: So I think it's possible. I think it's changed a
Speaker 4: lot over the years too that maybe fifteen twenty years
Speaker 4: ago it was like if you're not in the office
Speaker 4: eight and leaving at eight, you're not doing a good job.
Speaker 4: But like we're having this conversation on a computer right now, right,
Speaker 4: So there's a lot that you can do from home.
Speaker 4: Like I get my best work done from you know,
Speaker 4: nine o'clock to eleven o'clock when my kids are in
Speaker 4: bed right That I don't know if you could have
Speaker 4: done fifteen to twenty years ago, or even when I
Speaker 4: started eleven years ago. So there is a lot you
Speaker 4: can do if you're efficient from a computer from a phone,
Speaker 4: which makes it a little bit easier to manage your
Speaker 4: work life balance.
Speaker 2: Hardest trip, But what's what's the most difficult environment to
Speaker 2: play in in Division three that you've competed in yet?
Speaker 4: We played at Chicago and they had it pumping a
Speaker 4: little bit it was a nice again at a University
Speaker 4: of Chicago. University of Chicago. I would say that was
Speaker 4: probably our best atmosphere this year. Trying to think who
Speaker 4: else we played, but that was They seed about probably
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred to two thousand. There's probably about a thousand
Speaker 4: people there, but it gets loud. It's one of those
Speaker 4: gyms that gets loud even however many people are there.
Speaker 4: The court comes like there's it's very similar to what
Speaker 4: our gym is gonna look like now and to what
Speaker 4: colgates look like when it's set up. So it's pretty fun.
Speaker 4: I mean, this year we play at Yeshiva, which they
Speaker 4: are known for packing them in. It's a smaller gym,
Speaker 4: but it's gonna be rocking because they're gonna be really good.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be pretty good, and that's gonna be an
Speaker 4: extremely tough road game, and that atmosphere will be pretty special.
Speaker 2: Do do your guys like, how does it work when
Speaker 2: they're around playing pickup ball in the summer? Just do
Speaker 2: they like do they cross pawn eate with the Yeshiva
Speaker 2: guys at all?
Speaker 4: No, Yeshiva is so far away, like I'm not so
Speaker 4: far away, but relatively speaking, in New York City. It's
Speaker 4: it's probably a forty five minute ride. And I don't
Speaker 4: know again Division one, Division three is different, Like we
Speaker 4: only have seven eight guys around. Most of them are
Speaker 4: in internships right so I think they joined the Summer
Speaker 4: league this year. But we have a couple guys. Everybody
Speaker 4: hits me up in the summers. Coaches, Hey, my guys
Speaker 4: can be in New York City. Can you play with
Speaker 4: you guys? So that will be something that happens. Our
Speaker 4: gym just opened, so we're still organizing these type of things.
Speaker 4: Well I can't organize them, but I've told coaches like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll get you, like they can put them in touch
Speaker 4: with my players and whenever they're playing, they're more than
Speaker 4: welcome to.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a there's a small fee membership that
Speaker 4: you can do. So if you do have players in
Speaker 4: New York City, hit me up. And I think going forward,
Speaker 4: now that we have the gym available, we'll have some
Speaker 4: pretty good pickup games for our guys going forward this
Speaker 4: year and in future years.
Speaker 3: What separates your style as a coach.
Speaker 4: I think just the the detail that I try and
Speaker 4: coach with and just again taking this from coach Lango,
Speaker 4: Matt Langle and Frandophia is just being honest and being genuine, right,
Speaker 4: I think I think information is what these kids want
Speaker 4: in this day and age. Like it's not like what
Speaker 4: we were talking about is like don't let them go
Speaker 4: around you, right, Like that's like or don't do this,
Speaker 4: do this because I said so, it just doesn't work
Speaker 4: with this generation. So you have to explain the why.
Speaker 4: And I watched a lot of film, I read a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of articles. I'm a big stack guy,
Speaker 4: so I have numbers to back up things, but I
Speaker 4: usually can explain like this is why we're doing this,
Speaker 4: and it's it's it's valuable. So I think just being
Speaker 4: honest and helping these guys understand the why, Like all
Speaker 4: of my decisions have thought in them, so you're gonna
Speaker 4: have to trust me a little bit. But we can
Speaker 4: talk about it also because it's not just like I'm
Speaker 4: saying like, okay, we're doing that, right, Like I've thought
Speaker 4: about it, We've talked about as a staff, We've talked
Speaker 4: about it probably amongst the team, and I think it's
Speaker 4: really valuable for me in the way I coach is
Speaker 4: to be honest and be genuine and help them get
Speaker 4: to be the best versions of themselves they can be.
Speaker 3: When you're on the sideline, who are you most like?
Speaker 3: Matt Dump? High school coach?
Speaker 1: Who do you like?
Speaker 3: If somebody was, Oh, that's who he's who are you
Speaker 3: most like?
Speaker 4: I'd like to think on my own person. But I
Speaker 4: have taken bits and pieces from all of them. I think,
Speaker 4: I think what I'll go through a couple of things
Speaker 4: I've taken from each of them, right, I think my
Speaker 4: high school coach, I've taken the ability to be demanding
Speaker 4: without being demeaning from Dump. I've taken the intensity of
Speaker 4: being ultra competitive at all times, like it's just who
Speaker 4: I am, it's why we got along, it's probably why
Speaker 4: you recruited me. And from that, I've taken the level headedness. Right. So,
Speaker 4: I'd like to try and combine all those But I'm
Speaker 4: just way different. My personality is just so different than
Speaker 4: all three of those guys that I can't say I'm
Speaker 4: most like one of them because I'm just so different
Speaker 4: individually than each of those guys.
Speaker 2: Last thing, who outside of the guys we've talked about,
Speaker 2: who do you marvel at as a coach? You're like, man,
Speaker 2: that guy's really good to me any level.
Speaker 4: You know, I was a big fan of Brad Stevens.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a cop out because he's
Speaker 4: not a coach anymore, but I just thought his ability
Speaker 4: to communicate and use numbers to back up his decisions
Speaker 4: but not ultimately decide his decisions is somebody that I
Speaker 4: always like, had to respect for and was rooting for
Speaker 4: because again, he is a guy when you watch him coach.
Speaker 4: I never saw a practice, but I've heard about his
Speaker 4: practices that he just he's very level headed, but he
Speaker 4: is an expert in basketball. So again, when you're teaching
Speaker 4: and it makes sense, yeah, guys are gonna do it.
Speaker 4: And for me, that was always a guy that I
Speaker 4: really respected and looked up to. Just from Afar.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, listen, you've been awesome with your time and
Speaker 2: you now have a fan I can't.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: I will search out and find out when you win
Speaker 2: the Division three national championship, and then I'll tweet it,
Speaker 2: and then all your friends will know I will.
Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll do that.
Speaker 3: We'll do the tweet chain.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, enjoy what remains of your summer,
Speaker 2: and the three little kids, and don't be afraid to
Speaker 2: close up that laptop at nine nine pm. Uh and
Speaker 2: and and take care of mama because three hundred seven
Speaker 2: is a lot, Yes, a lot.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. It was just fun. Glad you had
Speaker 4: me on. And when you're in New York, hit me up,
Speaker 4: come to a game.
Speaker 3: Gets I got some dudes.
Speaker 4: Everybody's got dudes.
Speaker 3: A man talk soon.
Speaker 4: I'll talk to you, all right.
Speaker 1: Thanks to David Klassky.
Speaker 2: That was awesome and a guy in a program you
Speaker 2: want to keep an eye on, not just in New
Speaker 2: York but nationally with Division three level and let's see
Speaker 2: what happens when jobs open. But it is a that's
Speaker 2: a high level D three job with high level players,
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see what they do this year. Hey,
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Speaker 2: start cranking them out with more regularity. Hit me up
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Speaker 2: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is All ball