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Speaker 1: Hey to welcome to I'm Doug gotlib this he is

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Speaker 1: all ball.

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Speaker 2: We got David Klass who course as the head coach

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Speaker 2: at and Why a U Part two coming up, which

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Speaker 2: includes what made him decide to leave Division one basketball? Actually,

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Speaker 2: you know he left the private sector to become a coach.

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Speaker 2: What made him leave a successful run in at Colgate

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Speaker 2: to be in to be a head coach at the

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Speaker 2: Division three level. So we'll get to that in a second. First,

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Speaker 2: a couple of quick thoughts. You know, I was watching

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Speaker 2: the US women's national team play and they got eliminated

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Speaker 2: Ian soccer in the World Cup in round of sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and it was it was making me think of those

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Speaker 2: those dreary years of the men's side in basketball. Right,

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Speaker 2: remember when we lost the World Championships on our old soil.

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Speaker 2: We actually got third place in Argentina won it. And

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Speaker 2: it's interesting, you know, we got the World Cup coming

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Speaker 2: up this summer to recap it.

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Speaker 1: Steve Kerr's coaching it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we've only been able to maintain this

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Speaker 2: level of dominance for the most part.

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Speaker 1: We have a couple of our star players.

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Speaker 2: You know, the last Olympics was Kevin Durant, who kind

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Speaker 2: of carried us actually probably last two Olympics. But now

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Speaker 2: as we start getting further and further down the pecking order,

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Speaker 2: we can act like we don't care, but even when

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Speaker 2: we do care, we're not nearly as dominant as we

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Speaker 2: used to be. And there's some parallels there obviously to

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Speaker 2: the women's national team in soccer. But I think it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be fascinating to see kind of

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Speaker 2: how we evolve as a national power in basketball as

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Speaker 2: people have individually caught up to us. And remember FIBA,

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Speaker 2: if you've played in those roles, it's a different game.

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Speaker 2: But I'm interested to see, with kind of kind of

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Speaker 2: some secondary even tertiary level talent for Steve Kerr, what

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Speaker 2: that looks like in an international setting, because the game

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Speaker 2: is very different, very physical, a lot more set oriented.

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Speaker 2: In the past, let's just be honest, we've been able

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Speaker 2: to win because we have a better player or two. Right,

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Speaker 2: We play hard, play physical, and then we just jump

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Speaker 2: up and make make a couple more shots and make

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Speaker 2: up more atholic plays than anybody.

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Speaker 1: Else, and that's that's been enough.

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Speaker 2: But now once you get to a slightly lesser level

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Speaker 2: of talent, I don't think you can win that way.

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Speaker 2: I just don't. It doesn't mean they can't win. I

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Speaker 2: just don't think they can win the way they've won previously. Right,

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Speaker 2: all right, let's let's let let's catch up with David Clasky.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's part two.

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Speaker 3: You finish up a penn what what was your what

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Speaker 3: was your thought in terms of your plan? What you

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Speaker 3: wanted to do?

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Speaker 4: So again, I worked that internship my junior summer and

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Speaker 4: I got offered the job right after. So I had

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Speaker 4: a job coming out of my senior year at marilynch

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Speaker 4: which was a big time job. So I was excited

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Speaker 4: had a good senior year and then never even really

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Speaker 4: call from a friend of mine who's an Asian, Keith Glass,

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Speaker 4: and it was like, I can get you a job

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Speaker 4: in Israel, Like you got citizenship, Do you want to play?

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Speaker 4: And this was in like April, like when I was done, right,

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Speaker 4: like I finished, and you you probably you played a

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Speaker 4: I love basketball, but I was kind of like, oh, man,

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Speaker 4: but I haven't touched basketball in two weeks, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I just I regret it now, but I wish

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Speaker 4: and I just I started working. You know, I think

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Speaker 4: traveled a little bit and then started the job. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: every day for my first part, I work down on

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Speaker 2: What is the floor like, you're twenty one years old

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Speaker 2: on the floor in you Ark stock exchange.

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Speaker 4: Again, you're at the bottom of the food chain, So

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter how smart you are, doesn't matter how what

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Speaker 4: the food chain. So anything that somebody doesn't want to do,

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Speaker 4: And this was before you know, computerization basically took effect,

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Speaker 4: But it was I like to describe my jobs in

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Speaker 4: Wall Street, of ninety percent of the time it was slow,

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Speaker 4: You're messing around, you're doing fun you know, not fun things,

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Speaker 4: And then ten percent of the time it is super

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Speaker 4: You gotta be able to handle pressure, you got to

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Speaker 4: be able to react quickly. And those are the things

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Speaker 4: that actually liked about the job because of the sports background.

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Speaker 4: But that's basically what it was like, is you know,

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Speaker 4: ninety percent of a time you're just down there screwing around,

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Speaker 4: like trying to keep busy and figure out what to do,

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Speaker 4: waiting for that when you know a news story came out,

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Speaker 4: or earnings or something that would cause some craziness.

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Speaker 3: What brought you back to basketball?

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Speaker 4: So four years into working on Wall Street, and I

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Speaker 4: was playing men's leagues the whole time. I remember I

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Speaker 4: and I lost it. I was like, you know, twenty

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Speaker 4: was like, what are you talking about? That's exactly how

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Speaker 4: I don't like I'm making thirty bucks an hour here

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Speaker 4: like or probably less at that time, Like I don't

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Speaker 4: clicked that I need to get back involved in basketball

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Speaker 4: at a high level to teach the game, not just

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Speaker 4: I love the game. And so I went home and

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Speaker 4: hit him up and I explained him what I want

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Speaker 4: but I would just want to help. And he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Hopkins for a while. And Josh was like, great, so

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Speaker 4: we'll take you. So so for four years I just

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Speaker 4: like you know, the coaching ranks, you got to jump

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Speaker 4: I'm never going to do that, Like I got too

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Speaker 4: good a job. But then Matt Lango got Colgate, and

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Speaker 4: I remember hitting him up and be like, who's Dump

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Speaker 4: that's ludicrous to just be out of the business to

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Speaker 4: he was like, how about Like what do you think

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Speaker 4: about Colgate? And I was like, where's Colgate?

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Speaker 4: But then I thought about it and really was like,

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Speaker 4: was like, you should check into a mental health institution

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Speaker 4: getting out of finance coming into coaching, But if you

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Speaker 4: and then just kept going any regrets, No, No, I

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Speaker 4: I would say some misinformation in my own head, right,

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Speaker 4: Like I just assumed I was in finance. If you

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Speaker 4: That's just how it works, right, And and coaching, I

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Speaker 4: I think we all know that that's a really hard

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Speaker 4: thing to do from Colgate with my background. Right, if

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Speaker 4: But we did really well. And I just remember for

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Speaker 4: because this is such a hard business. It's it's I

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Speaker 4: know how to coach. But it's not paying dividends. You're

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Speaker 4: not moving up in the world. So that was that

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Speaker 4: was the only I wouldn't call her regret. I would

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Speaker 4: just misinformation in my own head.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm what about what about just the idea of like,

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Speaker 2: you know, your fourth year in finance. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how many years would have taken you to really kill it, right,

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Speaker 2: But like you see those guys that work for funds

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Speaker 2: that you know, magic seven figure level where you could

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Speaker 4: I wasn't in a position, I don't think where I

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Speaker 4: like was on a path to right, Like I wasn't

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Speaker 4: that's like a very prominent path, right. I was a trader,

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Speaker 4: He's the best coach in the country that no one

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Speaker 2: What about the old getting guys to play at that

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Speaker 4: I think honesty is a big part of his thing.

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Speaker 4: just like again that it's gonna be the fourth year

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Speaker 2: Classes, right, plus when he got there, when you guys

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Speaker 4: I can't believe my first game, I'm going to lose

432
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 4: at home to my friend. It was like, you know,

433
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 4: I'm happy for him, but I'm nervous that this is

434
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 4: what it's going to look like, NYU losing a Farmingdell state.

435
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 4: But we ended up playing out of our minds and

436
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 4: I just remember him looking down. We must have shot

437
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 4: sixty percent from three and him just looking down at

438
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: me and be like, T class, what is going on here?

439
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: Because who shoots sixty percent? And I was like, I

440
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 4: have no idea, this is ridiculous. But it was a

441
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 4: precursor for for things to come, because we ended up

442
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 4: did shoot shooting really well this year, probably shot close

443
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: to forty percent as a team, and that was kind

444
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 4: of what we did. We fired threes.

445
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: How has and I obviously it hasn't been a long

446
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,479
Speaker 2: time for you at the D three level, but knowing

447
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 2: how recruiting at the D one level has changed, right

448
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: where guys, you know, outside of the top one hundred,

449
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: a lot of dudes are just waiting for an offer.

450
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll tell you take a D two, take a

451
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: D three, you know, have a good have a good

452
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: year or two, and then transfer up. And some of

453
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: that was more COVID, but still post COVID is still

454
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: still happening with the transfer portal. How has that changed

455
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: who you can go after when you go into a

456
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: gym to recruit.

457
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 4: So it's completely changed right now, especially at NYU and

458
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 4: knowing how successful grand transfers are being, well, of course

459
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to look at that again. So part of

460
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 4: some of our best recruiting this fall is going to

461
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 4: be calling my buddies, the ivy's and patriots, and who

462
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: are your seniors that can't transfer up, can't transfer latterly

463
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 4: but can want to continue to play and are pretty

464
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 4: good And there's our guys on our radar right It's

465
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 4: it's changed, and I am a little bit nervous, and

466
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how it's going to play out.

467
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 4: If there's going to be the trickle up effect at

468
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: our level right like it's happened at the low majors

469
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: now and there's this few holdouts that like Colgate where

470
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 4: the guys aren't leaving, but pretty much across the board,

471
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: if you have a good first two years, you're going up. Right.

472
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: Is that going to trickle down to our level where

473
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: we're high level D three? Are those guys going to

474
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: go low level D one? I don't know, you know

475
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: after two years? I hope because of our academics that

476
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: you're giving up that NYU degree, that maybe it won't

477
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 4: hit us as hard. But I am waiting patiently, hopefully

478
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 4: for that not to happen. But it is something that

479
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: I think about and again, like it's past the point

480
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 4: where loyalty. And I'm not saying I wouldn't do the

481
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 4: same thing, but you just have to understand that there's

482
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: a chance that may happen. If a guy as a

483
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: monster freshman sophomore year, you may have a sit down

484
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 4: with him and him say I gotta go, especially with

485
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: the money involved. Now, I gotta go, try and go

486
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: a little bit higher, and I'll be upset and I'll

487
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: talk through it and try and give the best advice possible.

488
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 4: But sometimes that advice is wait, they're gonna pay you what? Yeah,

489
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 4: you know, and it's still pretty good school. All right.

490
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 4: It sucks for us, but I get it.

491
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: What is D three like from a coaching perspective, because

492
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: you would you have one assistant.

493
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 4: I have two full time assistants in a part time

494
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: so a little bit than most D three.

495
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: Is right, So what is like, this is all you do?

496
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: But do you guys chase them the class?

497
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: You know?

498
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: Are you Are you in on a workout? Do you

499
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: guys have summer workout programs? Like what is what is

500
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: the job like at your level compared to other levels?

501
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: So D three there's no off season workouts, right, so

502
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 4: summer they just added a rule. Actually this year we

503
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 4: get eight out of season time days with our players,

504
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 4: so that does change the game a little bit, but

505
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 4: it's different like the summer, the fall and postseason. There's

506
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: just not that much you can do with the guys, right,

507
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: Like it's not the full time job. It is out

508
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 4: of season that it is in D one, right, you're

509
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 4: still doing workouts and left and then you have back

510
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: for the summer a little bit. Whereas our guys it's

511
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: you know, summer, we're checking in with them weekly, trying

512
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 4: to get on the phone with them. What are you doing?

513
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 4: What are you doing? Basketballall is trying to help them

514
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: find workouts, find pickup games. But it's it's a lot different,

515
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 4: which is good. Like, I mean, I enjoy the summers

516
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: in the fall so far, but I feel like I

517
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: have a million other things to do, meaning, okay, let's

518
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 4: run a camp, let's let's get on the road a

519
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 4: little bit more. Let's let's start to think about team

520
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: activities that we can do all those things. You just

521
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 4: have a little bit more time to think about. But

522
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: once you're in season, it's pretty much exactly the same.

523
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: Right then then because we can do individual workouts and

524
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 4: things like that. We'll have practice, then they'll get with

525
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: the assistant coaches and get some extra work in or

526
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: come later and either by themselves or with a coach.

527
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 4: Sometimes in the morning they'll come in for film. So

528
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 4: it's pretty similar during the year, but outside it's completely different.

529
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 4: I just you feel like you're involved in everything at

530
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: D one as a coach, and D three it's there's

531
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 4: just not as much as that. And again you asked

532
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: about like walking to class. We were fortunate enough at

533
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: Colgate not to have to worry about that as much.

534
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 4: There were a couple guys like I would say, you know,

535
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: one guy every two years that you really were worried

536
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: about on the academic side. But for the most part,

537
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 4: these guys take care of themselves, and especially at NYU,

538
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: where they there's no you know, you're not getting in

539
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: the guy down here on the academic totem pole, right

540
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: These guys are getting in on own for the most part,

541
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: So they're so driven that they are they're motivating themselves

542
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: to do what they need to do in the classroom.

543
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: So I came in like, yeah, we're gonna do study hall,

544
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: this and that, we're gonna meet And I talked to a

545
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 4: lot of the other coaches like, you don't really need

546
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 4: all that. You're not gonna need all that. They're they're

547
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: gonna take care of themselves. And we still try and

548
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 4: monitor it because they're eighteen to twenty two year olds

549
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: and they screw up. But for the most part, these

550
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: guys are on their own and they are self motivated

551
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: to do the best they can in the classroom.

552
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: What's the goal, right, Like you said you want to

553
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: be a coach. Now you're a coach, I'm sure you

554
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: want to try and win a Division three national championship.

555
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: But it's interesting, right, Like Matt's a perfect example. Maybe

556
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: those guys have it figured out, right that like like

557
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: just go somewhere that you can build a team and

558
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: have the same guys back instead of you know what

559
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: is it more money, more problems? Right, and that high

560
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: level stuff. One A lot of times you got to

561
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: go to a place that you don't really know anybody right,

562
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: and it becomes kind of insulurt. So it's like you

563
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: can bring your friends, but still it's it's a weird.

564
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: But two, you're just you know, especially now as you

565
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: mentioned with the nil, like I don't know. I mean

566
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 2: you're literally making a new team every year and as

567
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: as you know, and you can tell me if I'm wrong,

568
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: Like I just I think the magic to college athletics

569
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: is watching a kid like you come in as a

570
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: freshman as one thing, and then by a seat right

571
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: like and then all the things you do together. And

572
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: obviously I transferred, and I may have transferred and I

573
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: got in trouble note name, but I'm like, I remember

574
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: we're playing in the sweet sixteen Seaton Hall, Tommy and

575
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Christine and uh we had a play we had stolen

576
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: from Tim Floyd called Cyclone and we ran the ship

577
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: out of it our sophomore year and some of our

578
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: junior year and we never put it in our senior

579
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: year ever.

580
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: And uh, they were guarding us, weird.

581
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: They were not gardener us with two dudes, and it

582
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: was like a instead of a tryang one too, it

583
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: is like a guard three and an eye, you know.

584
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: Cut a formation. So we came up with the idea

585
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: of hey, let's let's run cyclone. Everybody know it.

586
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like hadn't practiced it, hadn't talked about it, Coaches

587
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. We're just like started running like a

588
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: and then we come over to the sideline and Sean

589
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: was like John Suttons.

590
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: It was like he's basically offensive coordinator, Like y'all know

591
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: the cyclone. It's like, yeah, that was a good idea.

592
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: It's like, you know shit. And then we had an.

593
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: Inbound play we ran and we like all saw it

594
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: and I mean just a little you know, like diagonal

595
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: screen or whatever and uh screen the screen reaction.

596
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: But we didn't have it in the package. And you know,

597
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: in the Sweet sixteen.

598
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: Games, you got a week to go through all the film,

599
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: so they go through every game that you didn't they

600
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: didn't go through last year.

601
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 5: But the idea that you.

602
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 2: Can actually run stuff and talk about reference things from

603
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: prese here. I was at Oklahoma State watching them work

604
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: out this summer. They got nine new guys. Nine not

605
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: a player that one player in their program. H and

606
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: he's one player program who started his career as that's

607
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: still that's that's a sophomore. Beyond right, they have like

608
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: six freshmen. But like it's crazy crazy, So I guess

609
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: that's the question to you. Right, you're in New York,

610
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: it's very early on, right, it's not like you've been

611
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: there for ten years. What's the thoughts of the climb

612
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: as opposed to be happy where you are?

613
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to touch on two different thing

614
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: here because you brought up something I think is really important.

615
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: And you know, in this day and age, freedom of

616
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: choice is so important and I feel strongly about that,

617
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: Like kids and coaches should have choice. Right, So that's

618
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: why this transfer thing has blown up, because we were

619
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: restricting their ability to have choice. The unintended consequences of

620
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: that is you lose what you just talked about and

621
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: was what my best experience of college was, right the

622
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: roller coaster and being with those same guys over four

623
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: years and going to the locker room and making fun

624
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: of Dom for or you know, imitating his voices. You know,

625
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: like those things are so fun. And now you look

626
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: at what college basketball is at the higher levels and

627
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: there's none of that. Like you're you're basically friends for

628
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: a year. You may stay in touch, but like, are

629
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: six those or you know, I think I had six

630
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: or seven guys at my wedding on my team, right,

631
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 4: and they're some of these guys are my best friends.

632
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if you get that anymore, which is

633
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: what college sports to me and you and everybody in

634
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: our generation was kind of about. And now it's like, okay,

635
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: well at least they have choice, but their experience isn't

636
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 4: as good. So it's like, I don't know what the rung.

637
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the I know it's become

638
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: like unintended consequences, but I mean, I hate to say it,

639
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: but I would telling people this shit was coming a

640
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: long time ago.

641
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: I remember when I was.

642
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: Coming out, when I was going into college sporting we

643
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: used to get the Sporting News and they had there

644
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: was a poll there where sixty eight percent of college

645
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: basketball players would transfer if they didn't have to sit

646
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: out a year.

647
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: I was like sixty eight percent.

648
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: So I mean, obviously like ten percent of the best players,

649
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: I think all the shots they ain't going anywhere. You know,

650
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: probably another ten percent of like, you know, I'm gonna

651
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: be the best player, so and then it's like everybody

652
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: else's but it's a I mean, look, basketball can be

653
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: a sea of unhappiness. You know, there's one basketball, there's

654
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: twelve guys, is only one guy gets to shoot. That

655
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: doesn't always work out great for everybody. But yeah, I

656
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: just I don't know how he put the genie back

657
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: in the bottle. But it's like all of the things

658
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: that made the sport great, with the exception of the

659
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, it's like the only thing that remains the

660
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: same are gone, you know, are gone. And I'd like

661
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: to think that people had their best intentions at heart

662
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: in evolving it. You know that they just wanted to,

663
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: like you said, give kids a choice, and now it's

664
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, put some money in kids pockets. But we

665
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: had a pendulum has swung to a level that it's

666
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: not in a super healthy place from people who like

667
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: love it. That's the other part to it. Is like

668
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: most guys and you can tell me if I'm wrong.

669
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Those guys like they love it, like this is not

670
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: a financial win, you know, you're not like, hey man,

671
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: when I get sixty three, I'm shutting it down and

672
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to live on an island. And I got

673
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: a boat and I got into their house, Like, that's

674
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: not how it works for most people, right, So I

675
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: just I do wonder how you fix it. But I

676
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: do think that like a division two and Division three

677
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: is they can be a little bit of the beneficiary

678
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: of all the mess that's Division one.

679
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: I completely agree. And when you ask about so now

680
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: I'll come back to the original question of just goals. Yeah,

681
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to be at that level. And it's

682
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 4: hard to say that because they throw so much money

683
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: at you that it's like, all right, well, can I

684
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: put up with that for four million a year? Probably,

685
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: But it's not why I got into coaching. It's not

686
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: what I enjoy about coaching. So for me, like when

687
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: I took this job, I took this full well knowing

688
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: that this was a good spot to be and if

689
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 4: I'm there for twenty years, that's great. Now, I do

690
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: think that the Ivs and the Patriots to a degree,

691
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: and some of the other high academic schools have a

692
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: little bit of what we have at the lower levels

693
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 4: of building. And so again, like if if they came calling,

694
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: sure I'd entertain it. But to me, this is where

695
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: I want to be, this is where I want to grow.

696
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 4: I think I can have a really good life, you know,

697
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: forget about winning, which I also think I can do,

698
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 4: but I think I can enjoy life with my family

699
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: at this spot. I think it's I think it's again

700
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 4: on biased. I think it's the best Division three job

701
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: in the country. I think we can win, and I

702
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: think I can have a good work life balance. But again,

703
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 4: like I don't want to say nothing would entertain me,

704
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 4: because I do like there is a there is a

705
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: difference between D one and D three A And the

706
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: example I use is when we wanted Colgate and got

707
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 4: to the nca tournament, I must have had five hundred

708
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 4: techs right from friends, from people in the business, just

709
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 4: everybody cares. Right, it's the NCAA torment. It's just the

710
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: magnitude is so big in Division three. I haven't done

711
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: this yet. But if you win the national championship, nobody

712
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: knows except for the Division three circles. Right, Like there's

713
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: there's people that are Division one coaches that if you

714
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: like who won the Division three championship, they may not know, right,

715
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 4: And that's no one would would feel that like and

716
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: even like my friends that aren't in basketball that I

717
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: live next to, like they don't know how I'm doing,

718
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: so that, but they would know if Colgate won a

719
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: game in the nca TORN or made the twin. So

720
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: the scope is just so much bigger. And I'm not

721
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: saying I need that. I'm just saying that is what

722
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: the difference.

723
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: No, but you want your everybody wants their work to

724
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: be rerecorded. Yes, that's yes, that's that's that's very normal.

725
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Is PEN The dream job.

726
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: Pen is a A I don't know if I have

727
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: a dream job. I feel I'm always like, I just

728
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: like where I am usually right, So I don't want

729
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: to say dream job. PEN is obviously a tremendous job

730
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: that if I ever got the opportunity, that would be

731
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: a really special opportunity, you know, going back to your

732
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: alma mater and doing what you love and hoping to

733
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: take them the new levels. But yeah, it's one of

734
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 4: the schools that fits in that bucket that I just

735
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: talked about where I think you can still have the

736
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: experience of coaching and building and not just you know,

737
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 4: talent acquisition, which is essentially what high level basketball is

738
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 4: right now. But I think because of the PEN degree,

739
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: you can build and people don't want to just leave,

740
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: like there's other reasons keeping them there, which is a

741
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: Pen degree or a Wharton degree, whatever school you're in

742
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: at Pen, So it would take a lot to leave

743
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 4: Pen if you're a player. But you know they just

744
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: lost their best player because he's about to get paid

745
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 4: right to Saint John's. So it does happen. And like

746
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: I said before, you have to be okay with that

747
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: situation arising, or at this point you can't be in

748
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: this business.

749
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 3: How do you do the work life balance thing.

750
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: It's challenging. It's challenging. I think every coach will will

751
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: say the same. And again, I have three kids under

752
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 4: seven right now, so there's a lot. It's my wife

753
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: is a saint and she is supportive and you need that.

754
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: I think it helps tremendously. But I just try and

755
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 4: try and do the best. You can read everything right,

756
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: So can I schedule a practice where I can make

757
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: my kids game at nine am? Which is great to

758
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: the head coach because you can do some of those

759
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: things now. And then just being president when you can

760
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: be president with the family and trying to just juggle

761
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 4: as many things as possible, but also giving your all

762
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: to the team and the players in the school. But

763
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: it's challenging. There's times where you have to be away

764
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: from the family and that's tough. That's tough. But there's

765
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: times now that you can't do much in the summer

766
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 4: where I get a little bit extra time with the family.

767
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: So I think it's possible. I think it's changed a

768
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: lot over the years too that maybe fifteen twenty years

769
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 4: ago it was like if you're not in the office

770
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: eight and leaving at eight, you're not doing a good job.

771
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: But like we're having this conversation on a computer right now, right,

772
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: So there's a lot that you can do from home.

773
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 4: Like I get my best work done from you know,

774
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: nine o'clock to eleven o'clock when my kids are in

775
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: bed right That I don't know if you could have

776
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: done fifteen to twenty years ago, or even when I

777
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: started eleven years ago. So there is a lot you

778
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: can do if you're efficient from a computer from a phone,

779
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: which makes it a little bit easier to manage your

780
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: work life balance.

781
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: Hardest trip, But what's what's the most difficult environment to

782
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: play in in Division three that you've competed in yet?

783
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: We played at Chicago and they had it pumping a

784
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: little bit it was a nice again at a University

785
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: of Chicago. University of Chicago. I would say that was

786
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: probably our best atmosphere this year. Trying to think who

787
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: else we played, but that was They seed about probably

788
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred to two thousand. There's probably about a thousand

789
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: people there, but it gets loud. It's one of those

790
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: gyms that gets loud even however many people are there.

791
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: The court comes like there's it's very similar to what

792
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: our gym is gonna look like now and to what

793
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: colgates look like when it's set up. So it's pretty fun.

794
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: I mean, this year we play at Yeshiva, which they

795
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 4: are known for packing them in. It's a smaller gym,

796
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: but it's gonna be rocking because they're gonna be really good.

797
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: We're gonna be pretty good, and that's gonna be an

798
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: extremely tough road game, and that atmosphere will be pretty special.

799
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: Do do your guys like, how does it work when

800
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: they're around playing pickup ball in the summer? Just do

801
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: they like do they cross pawn eate with the Yeshiva

802
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: guys at all?

803
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: No, Yeshiva is so far away, like I'm not so

804
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 4: far away, but relatively speaking, in New York City. It's

805
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: it's probably a forty five minute ride. And I don't

806
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: know again Division one, Division three is different, Like we

807
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 4: only have seven eight guys around. Most of them are

808
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: in internships right so I think they joined the Summer

809
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: league this year. But we have a couple guys. Everybody

810
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: hits me up in the summers. Coaches, Hey, my guys

811
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: can be in New York City. Can you play with

812
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: you guys? So that will be something that happens. Our

813
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 4: gym just opened, so we're still organizing these type of things.

814
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: Well I can't organize them, but I've told coaches like, yeah,

815
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: I'll get you, like they can put them in touch

816
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: with my players and whenever they're playing, they're more than

817
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 4: welcome to.

818
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 3: Uh.

819
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: You know, there's a there's a small fee membership that

820
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: you can do. So if you do have players in

821
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: New York City, hit me up. And I think going forward,

822
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 4: now that we have the gym available, we'll have some

823
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: pretty good pickup games for our guys going forward this

824
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 4: year and in future years.

825
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: What separates your style as a coach.

826
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: I think just the the detail that I try and

827
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: coach with and just again taking this from coach Lango,

828
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: Matt Langle and Frandophia is just being honest and being genuine, right,

829
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: I think I think information is what these kids want

830
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: in this day and age. Like it's not like what

831
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: we were talking about is like don't let them go

832
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: around you, right, Like that's like or don't do this,

833
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: do this because I said so, it just doesn't work

834
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: with this generation. So you have to explain the why.

835
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: And I watched a lot of film, I read a

836
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of articles. I'm a big stack guy,

837
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: so I have numbers to back up things, but I

838
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: usually can explain like this is why we're doing this,

839
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 4: and it's it's it's valuable. So I think just being

840
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: honest and helping these guys understand the why, Like all

841
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: of my decisions have thought in them, so you're gonna

842
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 4: have to trust me a little bit. But we can

843
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: talk about it also because it's not just like I'm

844
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: saying like, okay, we're doing that, right, Like I've thought

845
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: about it, We've talked about as a staff, We've talked

846
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 4: about it probably amongst the team, and I think it's

847
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 4: really valuable for me in the way I coach is

848
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: to be honest and be genuine and help them get

849
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 4: to be the best versions of themselves they can be.

850
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: When you're on the sideline, who are you most like?

851
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: Matt Dump? High school coach?

852
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: Who do you like?

853
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: If somebody was, Oh, that's who he's who are you

854
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: most like?

855
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: I'd like to think on my own person. But I

856
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 4: have taken bits and pieces from all of them. I think,

857
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: I think what I'll go through a couple of things

858
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 4: I've taken from each of them, right, I think my

859
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: high school coach, I've taken the ability to be demanding

860
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: without being demeaning from Dump. I've taken the intensity of

861
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 4: being ultra competitive at all times, like it's just who

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Speaker 4: I am, it's why we got along, it's probably why

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Speaker 4: you recruited me. And from that, I've taken the level headedness. Right. So,

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Speaker 4: I'd like to try and combine all those But I'm

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Speaker 4: just way different. My personality is just so different than

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Speaker 4: all three of those guys that I can't say I'm

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Speaker 4: most like one of them because I'm just so different

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Speaker 4: individually than each of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Last thing, who outside of the guys we've talked about,

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Speaker 2: who do you marvel at as a coach? You're like, man,

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Speaker 2: that guy's really good to me any level.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was a big fan of Brad Stevens.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a cop out because he's

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Speaker 4: not a coach anymore, but I just thought his ability

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Speaker 4: to communicate and use numbers to back up his decisions

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Speaker 4: but not ultimately decide his decisions is somebody that I

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Speaker 4: always like, had to respect for and was rooting for

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Speaker 4: because again, he is a guy when you watch him coach.

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Speaker 4: I never saw a practice, but I've heard about his

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Speaker 4: practices that he just he's very level headed, but he

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Speaker 4: is an expert in basketball. So again, when you're teaching

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Speaker 4: and it makes sense, yeah, guys are gonna do it.

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Speaker 4: And for me, that was always a guy that I

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Speaker 4: really respected and looked up to. Just from Afar.

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Speaker 2: Hey, man, listen, you've been awesome with your time and

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Speaker 2: you now have a fan I can't.

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Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 2: I will search out and find out when you win

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Speaker 2: the Division three national championship, and then I'll tweet it,

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Speaker 2: and then all your friends will know I will.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll do that.

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Speaker 3: We'll do the tweet chain.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, enjoy what remains of your summer,

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Speaker 2: and the three little kids, and don't be afraid to

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Speaker 2: close up that laptop at nine nine pm. Uh and

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Speaker 2: and and take care of mama because three hundred seven

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Speaker 2: is a lot, Yes, a lot.

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Speaker 3: And I appreciate you joining me.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. It was just fun. Glad you had

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Speaker 4: me on. And when you're in New York, hit me up,

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Speaker 4: come to a game.

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Speaker 3: Gets I got some dudes.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got dudes.

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Speaker 3: A man talk soon.

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Speaker 4: I'll talk to you, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to David Klassky.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome and a guy in a program you

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Speaker 2: want to keep an eye on, not just in New

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Speaker 2: York but nationally with Division three level and let's see

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Speaker 2: what happens when jobs open. But it is a that's

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Speaker 2: a high level D three job with high level players,

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see what they do this year. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for listening to mind me. The Doug

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Speaker 2: Gotlieb Show is daily three to five Eastern. Of course,

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Speaker 2: have any suggestions people you want to have on or

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Speaker 2: start cranking them out with more regularity. Hit me up

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