Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, living in.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL
Speaker 2: the Week thirteen flagship program.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Dan Hans is here with Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler's
Speaker 2: heroes both and this is an interesting Week thirteen. We
Speaker 2: had six teams on Buy and Boys. I there are
Speaker 2: many times where I miss living on the East Coast.
Speaker 2: It's days like today where I sit down and I
Speaker 2: turn on the ten am starts and up and down
Speaker 2: the Eastern seaboard, just miserable weather messing with everyone's lives,
Speaker 2: like destroying any semblance of having a fun day at
Speaker 2: the stadiums. And I think, okay, it's pretty nice out here, yo,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, we got some weird weather
Speaker 3: suspended play which happens. It seemed to happen like once
Speaker 3: a year whenever's covering that game. Yeah, and I believe
Speaker 3: it was you, Greg, that you're suddenly watching games an
Speaker 3: hour and a half later than all the other early
Speaker 3: slot games.
Speaker 4: And I mean the Cardinals Steelers deserve to be a
Speaker 4: four and a half hour game.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 4: But yes, I'm always happy we're here on the West coast,
Speaker 4: so we're not driving home either at their Sunday night
Speaker 4: football at twelve thirty at night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: So you had, yeah, multiple games in raining or downpour conditions.
Speaker 2: You had all the soggy fields, slippery fields, all those
Speaker 2: black pellets everywhere, like on the cleats and on their
Speaker 2: faces and their face mess ah.
Speaker 1: But and then you had all these backup quarterbacks, oh oh,
Speaker 1: and all these guys that can't play. So you got
Speaker 1: some things going on around the league.
Speaker 2: But the one thing we did have, one thing that
Speaker 2: we knew we had in our back pocket in this
Speaker 2: week thirteen were the Eagles and Niners.
Speaker 1: And here's the good thing, and we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: And maybe it wasn't the barn burner we were expecting,
Speaker 2: but we learned a lot about both teams.
Speaker 1: And also Greggy. These guys hate each other and to
Speaker 1: just get the feeling. It was round one to set
Speaker 1: it up for a better one.
Speaker 6: Next to Philadelphia, we go first and ten Niners in
Speaker 6: the Philly four eight party looks lap now middle throws
Speaker 6: caught Brooke and tackled by Deebo Samuel dows not thirty.
Speaker 7: Twenty j turn five touchdown. He is going sack Francisco.
Speaker 7: What an absolute peast debo Samuel oh Man, Greg Papa
Speaker 7: and Tim Ryan with the call K and B.
Speaker 2: Are you know there's so many stars on the Niners
Speaker 2: and superstars of the Niners. I have long thought debos
Speaker 2: Samuel is one of those people that he's in my
Speaker 2: superstar club.
Speaker 5: And if you look at.
Speaker 2: The Niners bump in the road this season, it neatly
Speaker 2: coincides with Deebo Samuel out of the lineup. He is
Speaker 2: such a devastating jack of all trades and we saw
Speaker 2: it again in Philadelphia where Samuel scored three touchdowns. Who
Speaker 2: the star of a dominant offensive performance for Kyle Shanahan's
Speaker 2: offense and a forty two nineteen win over the Eagles.
Speaker 2: That's just the second loss of the season for Philly
Speaker 2: and that tightens up the top of the NFC picture considerably.
Speaker 5: Greg, the game started.
Speaker 2: In one place, yep, and then once San Francisco kind
Speaker 2: of got things.
Speaker 1: Calmed down, the whole game change.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The first quarter was completely dominated by Philadelphia. They had
Speaker 4: seven first downs to only six plays for the forty
Speaker 4: nine to one hundred and twenty four yards to negative six.
Speaker 4: And then after that the forty nine Ers put together
Speaker 4: what was really one of the best offensive performances of
Speaker 4: the season by any team and zooming out. I think
Speaker 4: it really brings into focus this matchup forty nine Ers
Speaker 4: offense versus Eagles defense specifically, because that's where I'm concerned
Speaker 4: about this Eagles team. Their linebackers have been poor all year,
Speaker 4: the safeties up and down, and Shanahan just put a
Speaker 4: big circle on those linebackers and he kept putting them
Speaker 4: in conflict, and their tackling was poor. And it was
Speaker 4: Kittle and it was Samuel, and it was Ayuk, and
Speaker 4: it was Purty on some early third downs being very
Speaker 4: calm and making good throws in this Eagles defense, seventheeth
Speaker 4: and dvaa coming into today. To me, it is a
Speaker 4: season long issue. And once again they get out gained
Speaker 4: by ninety five plus yards. That's five straight games that
Speaker 4: that's happened.
Speaker 3: That is wild, And it's like this is a matchup
Speaker 3: situation too, because I'm with you, we're gonna see these
Speaker 3: guys playing again and for the Niners to start well, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna be repeated a confluence of these teams.
Speaker 2: Though, as football fans, I want to feel like we
Speaker 2: got cheated. If these teams somehow don't meet again and
Speaker 2: hopefully the NFC title game or at the very least
Speaker 2: the divisional players, we gotta get these guys back.
Speaker 9: In the same Yeah, you throw Dallas in there too.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think to start the way they started,
Speaker 3: and you you're wondering, did the Eagles just have this
Speaker 3: team's number? And to turn around with these long Shanahan
Speaker 3: esque touchdown drives, six touchdowns in a row, clock chewing,
Speaker 3: high yardage, multiplay situations where it's like every game someone
Speaker 3: else steps up and plays the star for San Francisco
Speaker 3: and this version of Deebo Samuel. When you have Trent
Speaker 3: win Was back in the lineup, it just makes it
Speaker 3: impossible to figure out how to defend them.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 4: You mentioned it coincided with Debo being out, and that's
Speaker 4: totally fair. But Trent Williams is the guy I feel like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's a to me, a first ballot type of Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame type guy who's still playing at a high level.
Speaker 4: And when they got going early and they were down
Speaker 4: six to nothing and Philadelphia went zero for two in
Speaker 4: the red zone, settling for field goes, they did it
Speaker 4: by going left it was running left behind Trent Williams,
Speaker 4: and I also think about a play to start the
Speaker 4: second half. They did so well going into halftime, a
Speaker 4: four minute drive that killed the clock, didn't give Philadelphia
Speaker 4: a chance to score coming back, and then a four
Speaker 4: minute drive out of halftime, and there was just no
Speaker 4: pressure on Perdy for the most part on those throws.
Speaker 4: And I think of a third and seven to start
Speaker 4: that drive coming out of halftime, which is an out
Speaker 4: route to Ayuk to the opposite hash And you don't
Speaker 4: think a party in terms of his arm strength or anything,
Speaker 4: but that was a real deal pro throw. He had
Speaker 4: a nice run in the red zone where he bounced
Speaker 4: off the tackler. It was a great day out of
Speaker 4: him too, Like it's pretty rare that, you know quarterback
Speaker 4: hats three hundred and fourteen yards and twenty seven attempts,
Speaker 4: four touchdowns, and he does feel like the third or
Speaker 4: fourth person that you talk about on this team. But
Speaker 4: it was really just personally met life for party, right,
Speaker 4: it's perfect for everyone. Schio Capatia put that this was
Speaker 4: the second best EPA per drive performance by any team
Speaker 4: all year, which makes sense. They went six straight touchdowns
Speaker 4: and then finished the game after that.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta give us a little bit of
Speaker 2: credit because I think as a group, we were kind
Speaker 2: of on this as a possibility with the Eagles living
Speaker 2: dangerously these last few weeks and the Niners looking for
Speaker 2: that revenge, playing at a high level, being in a
Speaker 2: place where they kind of needed the win, and there
Speaker 2: seemed like an opportunity for this Mark. I think you
Speaker 2: locked it up. I did good job there. I almost
Speaker 2: came with you. Yeah, And I would have been safe
Speaker 2: in that spot too, And you know, so you just
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta give the Niners a ton of credit.
Speaker 2: And they're, like I said, a lot of bad blood
Speaker 2: here between these two teams.
Speaker 5: Will get into what happened with the director of.
Speaker 2: Security in a little bit, but for them to put
Speaker 2: him on them that way with the six straight scores,
Speaker 2: and I think, you can't win a game in the
Speaker 2: first quarter, but you can lose one. You could let
Speaker 2: a game really sneak away. And you look at the
Speaker 2: way the game started. Greg mentioned that Eagles went red zone,
Speaker 2: red zone, field goal, field goal early. They also the
Speaker 2: Niners first possession minus two yards, their second possession minus
Speaker 2: four yards, and they're facing a third and three in
Speaker 2: their third possession, and Perty connects with Kittle to move
Speaker 2: the change. They're facing a third and one. A few
Speaker 2: plays later, it's Purty again.
Speaker 1: And that's where he was so common. Yeah, just kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for Diba to get open on a third
Speaker 1: and one is very.
Speaker 2: He hit Samuel for thirteen yards and once they kind
Speaker 2: of got the crowd a little bit taken out of
Speaker 2: it and they got calmed down, they just started rolling.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the sign of a championship team, and
Speaker 2: we're not going to go back, and Eagles fans don't
Speaker 2: want to hear it, and the Niners fans wouldn't help
Speaker 2: them anyway.
Speaker 1: I kind of think the Niners were the team led
Speaker 1: in the NFC.
Speaker 2: In the way played out an NFC title game was
Speaker 2: heartbreaking for them and their fan base. This was a
Speaker 2: This was an announcement to the Eagles, like, this is
Speaker 2: us at full strength, and.
Speaker 1: You don't want to see us in January.
Speaker 4: Let's see what happens, right, because the forty nine Ers
Speaker 4: defense got more pressure on Hurts than vice versa. Now,
Speaker 4: sometimes I feel like Hurts left the pocket when it
Speaker 4: was clean and just held it forever and wanted to
Speaker 4: make a play and it was back to a little
Speaker 4: bit about what we saw from Hurts. I don't think
Speaker 4: their offense was bad today. They finished with nineteen points,
Speaker 4: was just disappointing, but they moved the ball. They didn't
Speaker 4: have a ton of possessions either. He almost had three
Speaker 4: hundred yards, but no running game at all. And then
Speaker 4: Hurts just not feeling like comfortable going to his first read.
Speaker 4: Not a lot in rhythm for them, And so give
Speaker 4: Charvarius Warden in some of the other defensive backs credit
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like it's so easy to, you know,
Speaker 3: magnify the Niners offense and talk about how versatile they
Speaker 3: are in all their stars, but it's like their defensive
Speaker 3: front is growing more powerful, and like they gave up
Speaker 3: two point six yards per Kerry to we an Eagles
Speaker 3: team that you know has been hot and cold on
Speaker 3: offense in some ways, but they were able to lean
Speaker 3: on their ground game heavily early in the year, and today.
Speaker 1: They couldn't at all.
Speaker 3: And I think to go do this in Philadelphia, which
Speaker 3: is one of the nastier places to play and come
Speaker 3: out from the West Coast, it's like this is a
Speaker 3: statement operation by the Niners, and stop telling me that
Speaker 3: Brock Party is so far down in this MVP race.
Speaker 3: It annoys me. It annoys me because I don't know
Speaker 3: what else he needs to do. I don't know what
Speaker 3: else he needs.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's the thing that's and I'm with you, fundamentally,
Speaker 2: I'm with you like it needs to he needs more credit. Also,
Speaker 2: like I think Christian McCaffrey deserves real MVP, a real look.
Speaker 1: And this is one hundred and thirty three yards in
Speaker 1: this game. We haven't even mentioned him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like for him, that's a quiet but
Speaker 2: he was. Every time they kind of needed a play,
Speaker 2: he made a play. He had a couple of runs
Speaker 2: where he just showed the best footwork of any running
Speaker 2: back in the league. Just a brilliant, brilliant offense. And
Speaker 2: you could tell when they had a nice sideline shot
Speaker 2: of Shanahan Party, I thought I kind of bailed him
Speaker 2: out a little bit on the play, the short touchdown
Speaker 2: pass to get them going, and you saw you saw
Speaker 2: Shannan like pump his fist on the sideline and like
Speaker 2: they were off and running, and it was just another
Speaker 2: show of Shanahan's might. So you know what, let's do
Speaker 2: the do this game on the NFL Plus on Monday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, game of the Week.
Speaker 3: We've we've tilted towards you know, the closest game of
Speaker 3: the week sometimes had This has a meaning in a
Speaker 3: very different way.
Speaker 1: Now what we do game of the week if Big
Speaker 1: Dom was not involved.
Speaker 2: Listen, big Dom is someone who I think we need
Speaker 2: to have long conversations about. It was made clear to
Speaker 2: me from John Kelly that Big Dom, the director of
Speaker 2: security for the Eagles, is a folk hero in Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: and apparently his skirmish with who's at Drake Greenlaw that
Speaker 2: led to green Law suspension and the head of security
Speaker 2: for the Eagles being escorted from the side to off
Speaker 2: the sideline, Which is funny that I was a little
Speaker 2: bit worried, I gotta be honest with you, hmmm, that
Speaker 2: that was gonna spark some type of magical moment and
Speaker 2: then we were gonna have to deal with Bradley Cooper
Speaker 2: jumping up and down and lead chance and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But it didn't happen that way.
Speaker 1: It didn't.
Speaker 3: And this was you know, like it's not the ira
Speaker 3: ironic nickname where they call a large very large person
Speaker 3: tiny like back in the thirties. Yeah, yeah, he literally
Speaker 3: is just a giant guy and that's they call him
Speaker 3: Big Dom and they should.
Speaker 1: I'm not now he's been going to become He would
Speaker 1: have become an even bigger folk here.
Speaker 4: People love him. Andy Reid loved him too. He called
Speaker 4: him my big Italian son back in the day. Like, uh,
Speaker 4: I think that was on Chris Laws podcasts. Hey, I
Speaker 4: saw him tweet that out and people loved him. But
Speaker 4: Big Dom ultimately like kind of skated in terms of
Speaker 4: the broadcast, like, like, let's calm down, Big Dom. I
Speaker 4: get why Kyle Shanahan was pretty fired up afterwards. He
Speaker 4: was slander He does not need he does not need
Speaker 4: to be involved, and Nick Sirianni actually agreed and said,
Speaker 4: like Dom should not have been involved there either didn't
Speaker 4: approve of his actions and kind of baited like he
Speaker 4: did a good job baiting Drake Ivelaw into he ejected,
Speaker 4: but I'm not sure he needed to be ejected when
Speaker 4: some big guy on the sideline is pointing a figure
Speaker 4: in his face, like get out of there.
Speaker 1: You know the Eagles have problems after this game.
Speaker 2: I feel like Big Dom's long the list and there
Speaker 2: it is, you're watch it on YouTube. They got to
Speaker 2: figure out how to stop a team, an elite team
Speaker 2: because they have not been and guess what they get that?
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys next week and all of a sudden, everything's.
Speaker 1: Up for grabs. Number one seed, spicy, It is delicious.
Speaker 2: All right, let's see, let's move on. Let's go to
Speaker 2: another game. Uh, that looked like it was going to
Speaker 2: be a blowout. That got tight to the Superdome. Two
Speaker 2: tight end set for the Lions. Golf takes fakes, the
Speaker 2: give goes end around. Now they flip it on the
Speaker 2: second back coming around. That is jameson Williams.
Speaker 11: It's the before it's side the ten Dogs into the
Speaker 11: end zone, touchdown Detroit Lions.
Speaker 8: A little razzle dazzled.
Speaker 1: A number nan dive into the enisode.
Speaker 8: The Lions extended their lead.
Speaker 2: You know these are the great that's Dan Miller of course,
Speaker 2: and Lomas Brown of WXYT. These are all amazing athletes
Speaker 2: that we watch every Sunday. But sometimes you see you
Speaker 2: see a play and you see a player and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: he looks different than the other guys.
Speaker 1: Jameis and Williams, we see you Bud. He's through the
Speaker 1: air there.
Speaker 2: Barely, but not even just the sword, just the speed
Speaker 2: in which he cut through those twenties.
Speaker 1: Tell me he did not run thirty three miles per hour.
Speaker 2: On I swear to God if he was not, and Eric,
Speaker 2: if there's a way to track this down, if there was,
Speaker 2: if he is not above twenty one miles per hour,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be sick to my stomach for the entire
Speaker 2: next gen industry. Rightfully, so, the Lions got that well
Speaker 2: time TD from their first round mystery Man and another
Speaker 2: huge performance from breakdout, breakout tight end Sam Laporta in
Speaker 2: a thirty three to twenty eight win over the Saints.
Speaker 2: Mark Detroit jumped ahead early, nearly let it slip away,
Speaker 2: but the ability to make big plays when it mattered,
Speaker 2: that was the difference.
Speaker 3: They did They obviously, I think De Troit and we've
Speaker 3: identified that there are certain weaknesses that they carry into
Speaker 3: their postseason journey. But at the same time, it's exciting
Speaker 3: to see what you got from Jameis and Williams and
Speaker 3: Sam Laporta is emerging as like a rock solid star
Speaker 3: tight end who is a heap becoming a bigger and
Speaker 3: bigger part of their offense. They jumped out to a
Speaker 3: twenty one to nothing lead in the first seven minutes.
Speaker 3: Derek Carr through a terrible interception on the first offensive
Speaker 3: play of the game. Detroit popped it in a couple
Speaker 3: of plays later. He had a rough fumble in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, and that was when they were climbing back
Speaker 3: into this game. Derek Carr got whacked at one point,
Speaker 3: looked really banged up. Left with a shoulder injury, a
Speaker 3: back injury. I got thrown into the concussion portal and
Speaker 3: you know, at one point he's getting bid.
Speaker 5: I hope everyone's happy.
Speaker 9: Well, no, you know what you know, life once and
Speaker 9: for all, I know portal.
Speaker 3: Well, it does sound dark, but like you, you like
Speaker 3: have been defending him, and I had to say that
Speaker 3: at one point, like with the Superdome, which was massively
Speaker 3: filled with Lions fans, So it's like that's that's telling
Speaker 3: me that a lot of Saints fans are about as
Speaker 3: frustrated as possible and selling your tickets. But he's getting
Speaker 3: booed relentlessly because it was a rough Like the way
Speaker 3: this whole thing started, it was not a good look
Speaker 3: for Derek Carr.
Speaker 4: Like Quin Taysom Hills on the field. They then boo
Speaker 4: when Car comes back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Car, it was, and you just saw a
Speaker 3: look on his face on the sideline. But at one
Speaker 3: point he's getting lustily booed by this crowd and he'd
Speaker 3: hit fifteen straight passes and.
Speaker 1: Then his interception was just a drop. It was not
Speaker 1: on him to be fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think I think the problem with I
Speaker 3: think the whole thing, with the whole whole experience here
Speaker 3: is becoming like the whole Saints team feels like they're
Speaker 3: floating away to me, and it starts.
Speaker 1: With the coach. It's the quarterback situation.
Speaker 2: He's like the face of it, and he's become the
Speaker 2: main target and he absolutely has played a role in
Speaker 2: what's happening here, Mark, and I'd love to hear more,
Speaker 2: although I'm still trying to wrap my head around next
Speaker 2: gen stats report here that Jamis and William reached the.
Speaker 1: Top speed of twenty point seven.
Speaker 4: Okay, here's because you only get you only get those
Speaker 4: what you only get those top speeds if you run
Speaker 4: for like twenty five straight yards, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You no one can get it in the first fifteen yards,
Speaker 4: you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2: Tell me, you can't tell me you watch that play
Speaker 2: in real time. He's not going sixty miles an hour.
Speaker 2: I yeah, it's it's questionable.
Speaker 4: And when he jumped and then the celebration like multi part.
Speaker 4: He only has a couple plays every week, but they're
Speaker 4: among the most exciting plays in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I love me some Jamis did with but.
Speaker 2: No, all right, let's let's watch them James and Williams
Speaker 2: post game one way play.
Speaker 1: We already know what's going on. When waimore get, I
Speaker 1: just got a giddy.
Speaker 5: Let's go tend down.
Speaker 12: Wait, wait, let's go.
Speaker 5: It's such a great guy.
Speaker 1: I gotta start start calling. I thought it was Jamo,
Speaker 1: but I guess he's Weimo Mark.
Speaker 2: Let's getting back to the game, and along lines what
Speaker 2: you're saying with carr Andy and Jameis, Winston comes in
Speaker 2: and they have a chance to steal this game, and
Speaker 2: then he's scattershotting the ball over the place. So just
Speaker 2: be careful, Saints fans of who you're getting after, because
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot of people that aren't getting jobs.
Speaker 1: Well they're not to some of their parts.
Speaker 3: And I don't think I think it's pretty clear to
Speaker 3: most Saints fans the Jameis Winston's not going to give
Speaker 3: you a completely different experience. I thought this game mattered
Speaker 3: a lot for Jared Goff, who was money when it mattered.
Speaker 3: In the final couple of minutes. It was third and eight,
Speaker 3: They're up thirty three to twenty eight with two plus
Speaker 3: to go, and Goff hit Sam lad Part a beautiful
Speaker 3: throw and then on that same drive on third and
Speaker 3: nine to ice this thing to not allow the Saints
Speaker 3: back in when it was so close, hit Josh Reynolds.
Speaker 3: And it's like this was a game where Jared Goff
Speaker 3: returned to the player that we've seen, not you know,
Speaker 3: critical mistakes down the stretch. And for the Lions, like
Speaker 3: had they somehow crumbled here, we'd be asking a lot
Speaker 3: of questions.
Speaker 1: Now they're nine and three for the first time in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era, right, Yeah, big win on the road,
Speaker 1: a game like I expected quite a stat nine and
Speaker 1: three for the first time in fifty seven years. The Lions,
Speaker 1: they're gonna.
Speaker 9: Have it's been the dark organizational journey for.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have a lot of these little numbers. And
Speaker 4: this game kind of went like I thought, we're just
Speaker 4: there would be messiness these two teams. The the Lions
Speaker 4: defense is a problem enough that there's gonna be messy moments.
Speaker 4: I was nervous, Greg, you were nervous. You jumped on
Speaker 4: my lock. But you shouldn't have been nervous, because they
Speaker 4: always give.
Speaker 1: It to give it to once, give it to us.
Speaker 1: The vibes are right, give it to me again. I
Speaker 1: gotta say one thing real quick.
Speaker 3: I thought that was gonna be a very annoying aspect today,
Speaker 3: and you guys barely even talked about it.
Speaker 1: So good that you made the office more than what
Speaker 1: were you expecting.
Speaker 3: Just a lot of you guys like.
Speaker 4: Like like, I'm not gonna honk too much about uh,
Speaker 4: the Saints losing here, But that third and nine you
Speaker 4: just mentioned, so that the Laporta catch before that nails.
Speaker 4: He has a chance Laporta to set the all time
Speaker 4: record for yardage as a rookie.
Speaker 1: I mean, you went nine today.
Speaker 4: That's that's the record, I believe for a single game
Speaker 4: for a rookie tight end. And now he's got a
Speaker 4: chance to break that the season record. He's got a
Speaker 4: pretty good chance. I think he needs a couple hundred
Speaker 4: yards to go in the last five games. He's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: But that throw on third and nine to Reynolds, that
Speaker 4: play call and then Gof's execution of it was as
Speaker 4: gutsy to me as any fourth down call that Campbell's
Speaker 4: made all season. That was as gutsy as going for
Speaker 4: it on your own thirty two because the Saints had
Speaker 4: no timeouts there. The Cowboys were in a very similar
Speaker 4: spot actually on Thursday night when they went for that
Speaker 4: touchdown late. A little different situation, but if all the
Speaker 4: Lions had to do there was run the ball and
Speaker 4: they get to punt with a minute left up a touchdown,
Speaker 4: and instead they call pass on third and nine, and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that's one of those plays where you tell golf, like,
Speaker 4: if it's not there, just eat it and the clock
Speaker 4: will run and we have like a ninety five percent
Speaker 4: chance to win. Yeah, and there's pressure early. Goff actually
Speaker 4: takes a hit on that play. He's moving left to
Speaker 4: get out of the way. It's like second reaction golf play,
Speaker 4: and when he throws that ball, I'm thinking, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: this is such a bad idea. And he puts a
Speaker 4: dime on Renolds while moving left and Reynolds makes a
Speaker 4: great catch with it too and run after the catch
Speaker 4: to get the first out. That was it was a
Speaker 4: really high level play by by Goff and Reynolds, and
Speaker 4: a ton of guts by the coaching stuff, and a
Speaker 4: lot of trust. They really do trust Jared Goff an
Speaker 4: incredible amount in these big tits.
Speaker 3: And he's shown them outside of the past couple of
Speaker 3: games where you know he deserves that trust. There was
Speaker 3: one moment in this and it wasn't really like the
Speaker 3: it wasn't the network's decision to do this, but how
Speaker 3: like Kamara raised out of bounds and like ran into
Speaker 3: the legs of like a chain gang dude.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and like the camera was sort of fixed, like
Speaker 9: the camera.
Speaker 3: Guy was sort of fixed on the whole situation, and
Speaker 3: it was uncomfortable to watch because it was just like
Speaker 3: not an athlete but a like a normal man, just
Speaker 3: like writhing on the ground in a way that like
Speaker 3: it was worse than stuff.
Speaker 2: I was a catastrophic lower leg injury as a dislocated
Speaker 2: kneecap or something.
Speaker 4: Jeff Duncan of The Times picky and reported that, yeah,
Speaker 4: that he was at University Hospital in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: It's gonna have surgery. It was uncomfortable to watch. We
Speaker 1: wish him well.
Speaker 3: It's like when we've been on the like the games
Speaker 3: in London on the sideline, there's always this like under
Speaker 3: belly of concern that like a football is gonna hit
Speaker 3: me in the head, where a player is gonna smash
Speaker 3: in me and I'll.
Speaker 9: Just be killed.
Speaker 2: Right, that would be in some ways a pathetic way
Speaker 2: to go, but also kind of cool. I mean, we
Speaker 2: would be They're all just specs on this universe, and
Speaker 2: at least that would be a memorable death.
Speaker 1: It'd be pathetic.
Speaker 5: Oh has your buddy Mark doing? Oh?
Speaker 2: Died killed on the sideline by Derrick Henry in Week five,
Speaker 2: like oble keg all right, Uh, let's head to Houston,
Speaker 2: where the Texans were looking to keep their playoff push
Speaker 2: going and the Broncos we're looking to keep a winning
Speaker 2: streak intact.
Speaker 11: Third and goal from the eight, Wilson and the gun
Speaker 11: one back p Ryan Wilson gets to snap wilsonid Chase.
Speaker 13: Wilson escapes the sack, throws what's out of the ends
Speaker 13: are accepted, Yes, Texas, Yes, Houston's gonna win.
Speaker 8: Nine seconds to go.
Speaker 2: Yes, Mark Van Demir and andre Ware with a yes,
Speaker 2: Ki l T andre Ware, that's awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The fun and surprising Texans season has been defined by
Speaker 2: the play of wonder kind QB Bryce Young Thanks C. J.
Speaker 5: Stroud.
Speaker 2: On Sunday, we were reminded of the huge gains made
Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball, Jimmy Ward's end
Speaker 2: zone I n T save the day for the home
Speaker 2: team and a twenty two win over the Broncos, who's
Speaker 2: winning streak comes to an end and the Texans keep
Speaker 2: themselves in the playoff mix. Interesting game, all right, Let's
Speaker 2: start with the big injury news because it's it's terrible
Speaker 2: because Tank Dell on the Texans from in close touchdown
Speaker 2: run he's blocking, he gets rolled up on and he's
Speaker 2: got a broken leg and he's out for the year
Speaker 2: and he's going to injured reserve. And it's hard to
Speaker 2: understate how important or overstate how important he is to
Speaker 2: this team and what he has meant to SAYJ. Stroud
Speaker 2: and what has been kind of a historic rookie season.
Speaker 2: When you have a quarterback having a historic rookie season,
Speaker 2: there's usually a wingman that's helping him make it happen.
Speaker 2: And that has very much been Tank del so losing
Speaker 2: him for the balance of the season is devastating. That said,
Speaker 2: this is not a one trick pony act this offense.
Speaker 2: And on the day that they lose tanked Dell for
Speaker 2: the year. Nico Collins goes nine for one ninety one
Speaker 2: and a touchdown. They still aren't getting anything from the
Speaker 2: running game, but Stroud was able to find a way.
Speaker 2: And most importantly, as I said at the top here,
Speaker 2: it was the defense because you had, like I said,
Speaker 2: you had the interception to seal it. That was one
Speaker 2: of three picks by Russell Wilson. The other two were
Speaker 2: by Derek Stingley, their number three overall pick two years ago,
Speaker 2: and Will Anderson had two sacks and two tackles for
Speaker 2: a loss. So you have all these guys when they
Speaker 2: were the worst team in the league the last few years,
Speaker 2: and they're starting to bank these high level draft picks.
Speaker 2: It's really looking like they're hitting on these guys, and
Speaker 2: you're seeing with Dimico Ryans leading the way, progress on
Speaker 2: that side, and that makes Texas the Texans dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like there's a connective DNA to what
Speaker 3: Demiico Ryans was able to do in San Francisco before
Speaker 3: he got this job where there's player development, like Will
Speaker 3: Anderson's growth has like he was a fascinating player today
Speaker 3: and wreaking all sorts of havoc. Like you bring in
Speaker 3: Jimmy Ward, who obviously you know they knew each other
Speaker 3: from San Francisco, and he's making big plays, and like
Speaker 3: Derek Stingley, it's like it's the Yes, CJ. Stroud is
Speaker 3: the biggest story in Houston, but this defense can make
Speaker 3: a difference too. And I kind of just like the
Speaker 3: way this whole team building situation has gone for Texas.
Speaker 4: Pretty quickly, right, Jimmy Ward and Stingley. You look at
Speaker 4: when they were in the lineup and when they weren't,
Speaker 4: and that kind of coincides with them playing much better now.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line has also gotten healthier, and I think
Speaker 4: that's how too in terms of the past protection for Stroud,
Speaker 4: but they are box office every week, that is now.
Speaker 4: And they showed a graphic during game like heartbreaking losses
Speaker 4: for the Texans that they had suffered. Their last three
Speaker 4: losses were all heartbreaking, and I was looking at them,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, well, that's true, but like every time they
Speaker 4: win it's a heartbreaking loss for the opponent. That is
Speaker 4: now eight straight games that have been decided by one
Speaker 4: score and I'm just eyeballing them. And I think all
Speaker 4: of them were like the last drive, where like someone
Speaker 4: has the ball and they either win the game or
Speaker 4: they don't win the game with the ball in the
Speaker 4: last seconds. And that's just it makes sense that they're
Speaker 4: a young team, and I think they got to be
Speaker 4: so excited about the Stingley Anderson combos as well, said Dan, this,
Speaker 4: thankurt it out, Thank you Greg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have that side of things and the reason.
Speaker 2: And again they just lost their most important offensive player
Speaker 2: beside Stroud. So I'm not going to come down on
Speaker 2: the offense too hard, but they really struggled to put
Speaker 2: this game away third down. They were four for sixteen
Speaker 2: in this game, and it allowed Denver to hang around
Speaker 2: even on an imperfect day from their offense. So Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: we just talked about him. Greg is pumping his fist
Speaker 2: right now because Wilson after going.
Speaker 1: He didn't say a word.
Speaker 2: No interceptions during that that's five game winning streak. He
Speaker 2: throws three interceptions in this game, and it's kind of frustrating.
Speaker 2: I know Denver fans are feeling it because the interception
Speaker 2: that ends the game, he makes a really athletic play
Speaker 2: to escape the rush and he actually he kind of
Speaker 2: sets himself a little bit and takes an extra beat.
Speaker 2: He probably doesn't throw that ball up for grabs because
Speaker 2: he had he had some time, but I think he
Speaker 2: was rushing after the hurry and it led to the interception,
Speaker 2: so that those turnovers were killer. He also had a
Speaker 2: touchdown pass and a touchdown run and did move the offense,
Speaker 2: especially in the second half, but it wasn't enough.
Speaker 5: Arrow up on court Courtland Sutton by the.
Speaker 9: Way, Oh, I feel like every week he's doing something.
Speaker 5: Really and I was, I was.
Speaker 2: I think I had a tweet earlier today that he's
Speaker 2: really kind of arrived.
Speaker 5: But he had like a twelve hundred yard season a
Speaker 5: few years ago.
Speaker 4: One of West's favorite players thought he was kind of
Speaker 4: an all Pro that was buried on a team that
Speaker 4: it depressed his stats even though he was just incredible.
Speaker 5: But he's kind of back now that that version of
Speaker 5: him his best.
Speaker 2: He had his ninth catchdown touchdown catch of the season,
Speaker 2: so that was the positive. Denver and Houston still in
Speaker 2: the playoff mix. But that was a big win for
Speaker 2: the text loss in the injury.
Speaker 3: Wilson on the ground last you know, three or four
Speaker 3: weeks has been looking a little bit more like the.
Speaker 4: Old Yes had a big fourth down pick up their
Speaker 4: six and six Texans seven and five. We'll see if
Speaker 4: that tiebreaker ends up mattering. But even just the fact
Speaker 4: that the Texans get a game up and have a
Speaker 4: fairly favorable schedule moving forward, as Big James Palmer pointed out,
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson three point eight yards per attempt and play
Speaker 4: when they weren't doing play action in you know thirteen
Speaker 4: when it was And I think that points out a
Speaker 4: little bit of what I've been just saying with Russell Wilson,
Speaker 4: which is that like there's still like kind of a
Speaker 4: limited offense. They can't just like drop back to pass
Speaker 4: and win. That's not what they're doing. It's like play action.
Speaker 4: It's like scheming up types of plays.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean he's a nobody's pounded the table
Speaker 2: for MVP for Russe Wilson.
Speaker 1: No, there was like one Broncos fan, But you don't
Speaker 1: want to be but you don't want to listen to
Speaker 1: this closely block it was like, this is better MV.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 9: Yes, I saw one that feels slightly disconnected from reality.
Speaker 2: I think he's probably a big wins as a QB
Speaker 2: stat guy, would be my guess. On that play one
Speaker 2: last thing before we move on, we need Uh. This
Speaker 2: happened a couple of times. H that I saw in
Speaker 2: games I watched today. Happened in the Meadowlands too, against
Speaker 2: the Falcons when they blew a play dead on a
Speaker 2: strip of Trevor Simeon that would have went for a touchdown.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 2: They overturned it on review from an incomplete pass, But
Speaker 2: if they just let the play play out, it's a
Speaker 2: touchdown and a game icing touchdown for Atlanta. In this game,
Speaker 2: the Texans hit some a JP ryand for no game
Speaker 2: They took the ball away ran it in for a
Speaker 2: tv TD, but officials ruled forward progressing stopped. A replay
Speaker 2: showed it that that was you could very easily have
Speaker 2: gone the other way on that.
Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, come on, bad officiating game whistles.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was watching a lot of bad
Speaker 2: officiating in the games I watched today.
Speaker 5: I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: And the Texans.
Speaker 4: First touchdown was after Alex Singleton roughing, which was pretty
Speaker 4: soft like where it was. That was a fourth down
Speaker 4: turnover that it kept the drive going because he like
Speaker 4: lightly pushed C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud.
Speaker 4: Although if I was Texans fans, I would love the
Speaker 4: fact that Stroud like immediately got right back.
Speaker 1: In his face. And that's why I was surprised, like
Speaker 1: Singleton just got the penalty and Stroud at all. But
Speaker 1: it was I liked it.
Speaker 3: I would say, if you're an official and it's pouring
Speaker 3: rain or it looked like it was hailing at one
Speaker 3: point down in Tampa, like I think it'd be, you know,
Speaker 3: I would do a lesser job.
Speaker 4: Not a problem at NRG Stadium if that's what it is.
Speaker 4: It's still energy. I don't they flipped that way. So
Speaker 4: you're saying they wouldn't try as hard if the weather
Speaker 4: was better.
Speaker 3: I don't, but try as hard. It's like to go
Speaker 3: go do anything just as good. If it's freezing rain
Speaker 3: and you're like soaking, well, it's your job. The professional
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 1: If job to begin with.
Speaker 5: If this is open air and the rains pouring in.
Speaker 9: Oh, we'd be professional.
Speaker 2: But this is what we just stays at a level
Speaker 2: absolutely of greatness. All right, let's take a break and
Speaker 2: we will march on.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Around the NFL the Flagship Program, Week thirteen.
Speaker 2: It's time now for the Sunday Drive presented by the
Speaker 2: first ever Toyota Grand Highlander.
Speaker 1: It is Nick Shook time. So let's head to Nashville.
Speaker 1: Two thirty four to go in overtime, second down and
Speaker 1: goal at the four Hanks. You out of the guns,
Speaker 1: shotgun snap looks to is right, Indians close, Michael Pittman
Speaker 1: looks down.
Speaker 8: Touchdown. Michael Pittman ball game?
Speaker 1: Why gee?
Speaker 11: Why Michael Pittman into the inZone from Carnivent.
Speaker 1: You and the cool Quinn thirty one.
Speaker 8: C bang in Nashville. Yes, sir, how the Bungos are out?
Speaker 2: Matt Taylor and Rick Van Turry with the call w
Speaker 2: f N I Gardner means you threw a four yard
Speaker 2: touchdown pass to Michael Pittman with two thirty one to
Speaker 2: play in overtime, allowing the Colts to escape Nashville with
Speaker 2: a thirty one to twenty eight win over the Titans.
Speaker 2: That's four straight wins for the Colts to keep them
Speaker 2: in the playoff race in the AFC. The Colts had
Speaker 2: needed that touchdown because Nick Folk booted a forty six
Speaker 2: yarder earlier in ot But they would not be denied.
Speaker 1: Another man who will never be denied in all things,
Speaker 1: but especially in the gym.
Speaker 2: The pipe pipe, pipe, pipe pipe.
Speaker 1: Game turned on that block punt, didn't it. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit. I got the Colts back to the game.
Speaker 14: Titans were got out too an early lead, kind of
Speaker 14: had a little bit of control of the game. Colts
Speaker 14: couldn't do all that much offensively. You get the block pun,
Speaker 14: everything swings. Suddenly the Colts are stringing together good drive,
Speaker 14: They take the lead, they get it to overtime, Titans
Speaker 14: fight back.
Speaker 1: This game had everything.
Speaker 14: This game had pretty much every element you'll expect from
Speaker 14: an NFL game. There was all kinds of wackiness. You
Speaker 14: had two former backups now starters playing pretty good football.
Speaker 14: A classic meeting between the Colts and Titans. This used
Speaker 14: to decide the division. It's not going to decide the
Speaker 14: division this year, but it was worthy of that type
Speaker 14: those types of steaks and Colts.
Speaker 5: Come away a winner.
Speaker 14: And I don't know if if you know, but just
Speaker 14: just so you're certain in case the radio call didn't
Speaker 14: get it through to your head.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he got it, He's got it, he got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can watch games all season and not I
Speaker 4: would imagine we won't see any other game where a
Speaker 4: punt is blocked twice in a row by the same team,
Speaker 4: which knocks out the punter and then brings a Nick
Speaker 4: Folk to punt who, by the way, punted. Fine, sure,
Speaker 4: let's just save a roster spot and have no as
Speaker 4: the holder. Yeah he didn't, which that may have cost
Speaker 4: them because they missed the extra point with Tannehill the laces.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, can we calm down to the laces
Speaker 4: and hit an extra point?
Speaker 1: What do I know?
Speaker 5: You're out of your element.
Speaker 4: And then, more importantly, I mean the same game that
Speaker 4: we have two straight block punts, we have a pick two,
Speaker 4: which is one of my favorite things. If this game
Speaker 4: did not involve the Colts Titans, it would absolutely be
Speaker 4: our game of the week. Maybe we should rethink it.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there said there was a.
Speaker 1: Lone going on tangle. Yeah, go ahead, shooky, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: kind of are.
Speaker 14: I mean Gardner minshe had a strong day. You know,
Speaker 14: he didn't make any mistakes. He had a beautiful touchdown
Speaker 14: pass to Alec Pierce, who I think is kind of
Speaker 14: coming on as of late. He's a guy who I've
Speaker 14: kind of liked, and and you look at the receiving
Speaker 14: corps and you think, well, they don't have all that
Speaker 14: much talent. But if a guy like Piers can produce
Speaker 14: like he did today, then suddenly it'll be much better
Speaker 14: and be more than just Michael Pittman, who also had
Speaker 14: a strong day. But it's you know, it's a cold
Speaker 14: team that's hanging around guys. I mean, we know who
Speaker 14: the Titans are. They went through a stretch last couple
Speaker 14: of weeks where they couldn't move the ball at all,
Speaker 14: and it was nice to see Will Levis get some
Speaker 14: time to throw. And because Derek Henry found some success
Speaker 14: in the ground before he exited with an injury, you know,
Speaker 14: Levis was able to operate the offense and you kind
Speaker 14: of see what Greg was all high on Levis for
Speaker 14: like a month ago or however long ago. It was like,
Speaker 14: it's there, it is there. I totally see it. But
Speaker 14: once Henry leaves, that offense kind of shrinks, gives the
Speaker 14: Colts an opening. And again, like I said, the Colts
Speaker 14: are hanging around. They're seven and five. They're probably the
Speaker 14: ugliest seven and five team in the league right now
Speaker 14: outside of the Pittsburgh Steelers. But then again, you have
Speaker 14: to take them seriously from here on out, especially when
Speaker 14: they find ways to win this game, because for a
Speaker 14: while there it looked like they were going to drop
Speaker 14: one to a division rival.
Speaker 3: And they're not going away if they play like this
Speaker 3: and if they're coached like this, because they've got the
Speaker 3: Bengals Joe Burrow free Bengals next week, a Steelers team
Speaker 3: that's going to be playing with their backup quarterback, a
Speaker 3: Falcons team that's beatable, the Raiders who are beatable.
Speaker 1: And then that final game with the Texans. So it's
Speaker 1: like we.
Speaker 3: Talked a lot about the Colts last week, and I
Speaker 3: hear it like they're not always exciting to watch. But
Speaker 3: I do think that change psyching is a difference making
Speaker 3: type of coach. And I look at the overall jobb
Speaker 3: he's done this year, I'm really impressed. And you get
Speaker 3: this version of Gardner minsh, You're not the one that's
Speaker 3: throwing three interceptions and you can win.
Speaker 4: Right That was his best throw of the game in overtime.
Speaker 4: And I want to give them credit because they're just clutched.
Speaker 4: They always find a way here. And then I look
Speaker 4: and like the offense I think had a total of
Speaker 4: fourteen yards on their last five possessions of the in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, So their offense did not was not
Speaker 4: clutch in the fourth quarter, but their defense made just
Speaker 4: enough place to get him to overtime.
Speaker 1: And then Minshew makes the play, and it's just like
Speaker 1: and that the culture now three and zero.
Speaker 2: When min Chew does not throw an interception, which you
Speaker 2: know he does do that a lot, so but when
Speaker 2: he plays the clean version of a Minshee game, it's
Speaker 2: just like the Coult server a reminder, and I hope
Speaker 2: teams are learning from this in this very sloppy quarterback
Speaker 2: season twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Your season doesn't have to be over because your starting
Speaker 1: quarterback got hurt. It doesn't have to be right.
Speaker 2: For many teams, it is because they don't prioritize or
Speaker 2: invest in the position beyond the starter. And Minshew was
Speaker 2: out there for anybody, and the Colts said, Okay, we
Speaker 2: like having that guy behind our rookie. And when the
Speaker 2: rookie disappears at the end of September, they were still
Speaker 2: okay because the rookie was still figuring things out, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't even like you were going from up here
Speaker 2: to down here. And Minshew somehow has to find a
Speaker 2: balance like he came in playing. I mean he's a
Speaker 2: lower level, he's a high backup, you know, lower rung starter,
Speaker 2: but that's enough in a division like this, and a
Speaker 2: team like you're saying credit to Stichen and the whole operation.
Speaker 2: They've been able to win a lot of these like
Speaker 2: coin flip games, and they're in the mix as a result.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you can have a fringe starter as
Speaker 3: your backup, you're in a different place than teams that
Speaker 3: you know, with a lack of creativity stick someone behind
Speaker 3: your starter, like in Cincinnati and if anything happened to
Speaker 3: Josh Allen in Buffalo, where it's like your season is
Speaker 3: lost if you sticking a guy who's just a ham
Speaker 3: and egger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it also is kind of.
Speaker 14: They're indicative of how strong your coaching staff is because
Speaker 14: we've seen this happen over the last few years, and
Speaker 14: you've seen it in this season, where you know, a
Speaker 14: team like San Francisco in previous years had to go
Speaker 14: through a number of different quarterbacks and yet found a
Speaker 14: way to still be kind of competitive. Or this year
Speaker 14: with the Colts, and how Shane Stikeen's doing such a
Speaker 14: great job. He'd be a Coach of the Year candidate
Speaker 14: if Demico Ryans didn't exist, I think, or you look
Speaker 14: at all and they've had to go through all these
Speaker 14: things with their quarterback situation, and Kevin Sevanci has been
Speaker 14: up and down in that department, but yet they've stayed
Speaker 14: a flow. It really is the silver lining of a
Speaker 14: messy quarterback season is you get a better evaluation of
Speaker 14: how strong coaching staff is and how well they're equipped
Speaker 14: to handle adversity. And and you know that sometimes that.
Speaker 4: He is a candidate, they invite three coaches to the
Speaker 4: NFL honors.
Speaker 1: He certainly got. He certainly got a chance. Don't invite
Speaker 1: two coaches who aren't gonna win. I don't know how
Speaker 1: that works. Maybe they don't, but they definitely you don't
Speaker 1: invite multiple coaches, then you.
Speaker 2: Then you got to give you the idea of Manu
Speaker 2: Chaange Stegonds, like I could be Coach of the Year
Speaker 2: if only Demiko Ryans didn't exist. It's like Josh Malwitz
Speaker 2: on Dateline the same record.
Speaker 1: They got the same record, and one's coaching with with Minschew.
Speaker 4: So, uh, you might have a point, but it's one
Speaker 4: of those seas insinuating murder. Yeah, everything goes right for
Speaker 4: them that you get two block punts. Jeffrey Simmons leaves
Speaker 4: with an injury and Derek Henry leaves with an injury
Speaker 4: in the same game.
Speaker 2: Henry went over one hundred with two scores. Hopefully he's
Speaker 2: going to be okay, shookie, Thank you buddy. Easy one week. Hey,
Speaker 2: no more buys in a couple of weeks. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna need you down the stretch.
Speaker 9: I'll be getting my back ready to carry the load
Speaker 9: or you.
Speaker 5: Don't skip back there.
Speaker 8: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't, Shooky.
Speaker 5: Thank you buddy.
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Speaker 2: I think we had a good Thursday show, guys. I
Speaker 2: keep looking at some of the results and it's syncing
Speaker 2: up with our commentary going into these games. We looked
Speaker 2: at this Dolphins Commanders game and said, you know what,
Speaker 2: these fish, it's been a while since. They gave us
Speaker 2: some explosive fun and it was explosive. Well, it's explosive
Speaker 2: fun for the Dolphins and explosive something else for the
Speaker 2: Commanders and their fans.
Speaker 5: Let's head to landovers.
Speaker 13: Kill e motion goes to the right looking for him
Speaker 13: keep down the field.
Speaker 8: What a movement by a heel to kicks that football.
Speaker 2: He was turned inside Joe the bolls it, throw it
Speaker 2: to the outside and he weeded his way back. Another
Speaker 2: bomb to its Hill touchdown Jimmy Cefalo.
Speaker 1: WBGG with it called.
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill had two more touchdowns in five catches for
Speaker 2: a buck fifty seven that was basically in a half
Speaker 2: a word, and he and the Miami Dolphins absolutely hammet
Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders forty five point fifteen to remain comfortably
Speaker 2: atop the AFC East and they're nine to three for
Speaker 2: the first time since two thousand and one. How about that, Greggie,
Speaker 2: This was it? This was that a dominant Miami offense.
Speaker 2: And of course if they're having a dominant day, Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill is all over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want it to be dazzled. I said it.
Speaker 4: It's been a while since we had one of those
Speaker 4: two games and we got it, and yes, Tyreek Hill
Speaker 4: is ridiculous, and that is such a great adjustment on
Speaker 4: the ball there where maybe they weren't on the same
Speaker 4: page exactly, and he gets the long touchdown. But Tua
Speaker 4: creates math problems with these receivers. Those two long touchdowns
Speaker 4: that he threw were in getting rid of the ball
Speaker 4: in two point one to three seconds, in two point
Speaker 4: twenty five seconds, which is so fast, and yet the
Speaker 4: ball is fifty yards.
Speaker 1: Down the field and Hill is catching up to it.
Speaker 1: So it's timing, it's footwork.
Speaker 4: I think Tua's really improved at resetting and making the
Speaker 4: first pass rush or miss missed. That wasn't maybe the
Speaker 4: case on those touchdowns, but there were many plays today
Speaker 4: where Washington actually did get pressure quickly and he just
Speaker 4: does a little shoulder shake or he moves to the
Speaker 4: side and then he resets. It's very Tom Brady is
Speaker 4: just in terms of the pocket presence of just quickly
Speaker 4: moving and then making a nice throw. So I'm I'm
Speaker 4: all aboard the Tyreek Hill is the MVP right now.
Speaker 4: I've been saying that for a while. He's at ninety
Speaker 4: three for one, one twelve, but this was absolutely also
Speaker 4: a great TUA performance and it was nice to see.
Speaker 1: We needed that.
Speaker 3: I mean, Tyreek Hill is just doing this every week.
Speaker 3: Part of it is the opponent. Washington has given up
Speaker 3: one hundred and five points in three games, and well,
Speaker 3: I think Sam Howell has been.
Speaker 1: A visually intriguing player to watch.
Speaker 3: Everything is falling apart and it's it's clear, you know
Speaker 3: the coach is going to be gone, the GM is
Speaker 3: going to be gone. I think Howell deserves a chance
Speaker 3: to stay as your future starter. I think he's shown
Speaker 3: a lot, but he also, like is not protected well,
Speaker 3: walks into a lot of his own sacks. And when
Speaker 3: you get the version of them throwing a pick six today,
Speaker 3: lighting now, I think it's a good sign that without
Speaker 3: Jill Phillips, the Dolphins like defense played another good game.
Speaker 4: They got so much pressure on how this. I thought
Speaker 4: Howell played well in this game, which will sound crazy
Speaker 4: because he had one hundred and twenty seven yards in
Speaker 4: an interception. The interception to me is not on the quarterback.
Speaker 4: It was a great read by Andrew van Ginkle, like
Speaker 4: a play that they through film study. He just read
Speaker 4: it and picked it off. Van Ginkel had a sack,
Speaker 4: a pick six and almost blocked a pun and then yeah,
Speaker 4: Seeler and ogbad getting pressure. They were all over how
Speaker 4: who had a couple of rushing touchdowns. And he only
Speaker 4: took three sacks in this game. This is one of
Speaker 4: those where he could have taken about eight sacks in
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 5: You can't give somebody a staff for almost doing something.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he was amongst after stats.
Speaker 1: I just made like vig Gego is everywhere.
Speaker 4: And there was a moment like right after a pick
Speaker 4: six and a sack that he then almost blocked the button.
Speaker 2: I was just like, nice, was great. You know, I think, uh,
Speaker 2: we now have Ron Rivera. He has now graduated, uh
Speaker 2: to the uh Frank Reich dead man walking club.
Speaker 1: It's no longer a matter of if, It's a matter
Speaker 1: of when.
Speaker 2: And there is certainly a case to be made here
Speaker 2: and everyone out there wants Eric Pienemy to get a
Speaker 2: shot as a head coach with his resume to give
Speaker 2: the enemy, you know, four or five weeks.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I don't think you let you.
Speaker 3: I don't think you just let him gocuse. I think
Speaker 3: he's been he's been a big shot.
Speaker 2: See what happens with the team, see how they play
Speaker 2: with him, and see how the offense operates with him
Speaker 2: kind of having more responsibility. Now I might look smart
Speaker 2: if this happens on like tomorrow, would not shock me.
Speaker 2: But they also just let go of the defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: and that was kind of the blood letting that I
Speaker 2: thought would take Rivera to the finish line.
Speaker 1: And yet games like these make you think, like what
Speaker 1: is the point, Like they're also going to they're entering
Speaker 1: their bye week too, so.
Speaker 5: Another reason why it could happen.
Speaker 1: Okay, it could.
Speaker 4: And there was like a moment where Bienemy was kind
Speaker 4: of like barking at Howell on the side. I just
Speaker 4: don't know, Like it's not a good position for Bienemy
Speaker 4: to be in either. I don't think it helps anyone.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Rivera's defense. The Dolphins only had nine drives.
Speaker 1: In this game and they put up forty five points,
Speaker 1: So it was rather that was rather a need and
Speaker 1: a chain came back scored a couple of times. They
Speaker 1: you know, that was a kind of get right game.
Speaker 1: That was a nice adjust I.
Speaker 2: Had not thought of it in roughly twenty five years.
Speaker 2: But on NFL Primetime on ESPN. Back in the nineties,
Speaker 2: Eric Benemy was a running back. Oh yeah, and Chris
Speaker 2: Berman would call him sleeping.
Speaker 5: With the enemy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Julia Roberts vehicle on one of his
Speaker 1: best Yeah, maller and technicical. Now sleeping at the enemy
Speaker 1: is that's a classic sleeping with the enemy.
Speaker 5: Good stuff. All right, here we go.
Speaker 2: We move forward because that's the only thing we can
Speaker 2: do across the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler was not in attendance, and maybe that was
Speaker 1: a good thing.
Speaker 15: So has seven seconds to work with as they set
Speaker 15: up from the thirty second and one from the pocket,
Speaker 15: he deals.
Speaker 2: Down the scene, hits pot, broke it field holcoh oh,
Speaker 2: that was pretty Pooka.
Speaker 11: To the crib, just touchdown.
Speaker 1: Alan.
Speaker 5: To the crib.
Speaker 1: You know, we love our guy, Davey Long with the call,
Speaker 1: great guy, great announcer. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford threw three touchdown passes and that guy pooking
Speaker 2: Akoua the first ever Rams rookie wide receiver across one
Speaker 2: thousand yards in the season.
Speaker 1: It's December third, how about that?
Speaker 2: Wow, the Rams keep winning. That's three in a row,
Speaker 2: sneaky three game winning streak. Thirty six nineteen over the
Speaker 2: Browns at so far mark that final score is misleading
Speaker 2: because we were sitting next to each other. The Browns have
Speaker 2: a chance to tie this game, I believe in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then what midway through down one right, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you're one of the most reliable kickers in the league,
Speaker 3: misses an extra point and things go south from there
Speaker 3: and Dustin Hopkins, Dustin Hopkins, I think this this feels
Speaker 3: like a lot of Browns games. We're gonna get down
Speaker 3: the stretch because you got you had Joe Flacco. And
Speaker 3: I'll say one story for Cleveland is that I would
Speaker 3: not have been as surprise if we got a version
Speaker 3: of Joe Flacco that literally was a statue, couldn't move
Speaker 3: and any fumbles today, no, no fumbles through the ball.
Speaker 2: He had a stone age pony. He can do something.
Speaker 2: He also looked to me refreshed.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna he's he's not
Speaker 3: going to like like confuse anyone on the ground, but
Speaker 3: he didn't look like he looked to me last year
Speaker 3: with the Jets. I thought he threw the ball outside
Speaker 3: of you know, the one interception that was so costly,
Speaker 3: like threw the ball really well at times, and like
Speaker 3: you kind of it's like, oh, well, if you had
Speaker 3: this version of of a quarterback play like during this,
Speaker 3: Like you know, they've been on four of them and
Speaker 3: it's been real up and down. Maybe they win some
Speaker 3: of these close games, but I like this is an
Speaker 3: example of like Omari Cooper goes out with an injury,
Speaker 3: they've got very little else happening, you know, through the air,
Speaker 3: and like they're they're a patchwork ground game without Nick
Speaker 3: Chubb and so it's like they're the amount of mistakes
Speaker 3: they can make in a Ford is so narrow unless
Speaker 3: their defense has one of those games from Miles Garrett
Speaker 3: has three sacks and you're turning the ball over, you know,
Speaker 3: take generating takeaways, and they weren't doing that today.
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a couple of weeks in.
Speaker 3: A row where it's kind of just like concerned about
Speaker 3: the overall journey of this Browns team. R I feel like
Speaker 3: other AFC teams at the bottom of that, like wild
Speaker 3: Card Grid are starting to heat up, like Cleveland's going
Speaker 3: in the other direction, and I don't really think you
Speaker 3: can rely on Joe Flacco and left of this offense
Speaker 3: to save you.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, midway through the fourth quarter, which is crazy
Speaker 4: looking at the final score. The brown score touchdown, they
Speaker 4: missed the extra point, but then they get a quick
Speaker 4: punt from the Rams and Joe Flacco actually has the
Speaker 4: ball with six point fifty one to go down one point.
Speaker 4: And at that point there were a lot of tweets
Speaker 4: and I was half watching this game too.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of drops.
Speaker 4: I thought Flacco was playing great, like Tony Grose's saying,
Speaker 4: this is the best game any quarterbacks played for the
Speaker 4: Browns this season. And then Flacco just forced one. He
Speaker 4: took a shot that he shouldn't have taken. John Johnson
Speaker 4: intercepts it, returns it, and suddenly the Rams are rolling.
Speaker 4: But you can tell me more, Mark that I was
Speaker 4: surprised to see the Rams rack up four hundred yards
Speaker 4: almost in this game. And I think Stafford played well
Speaker 4: and Pukinoku is great and they get the running game
Speaker 4: going late. But if you had just said, Okay, this
Speaker 4: is an average defense, they're playing like they looked like
Speaker 4: an average defense based on the stats.
Speaker 1: Did they look like that?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because it wasn't the way that the Rams.
Speaker 3: The Rams did it a lot through the air. I mean,
Speaker 3: Nakua fried them. They don't have Denzel Award and that's
Speaker 3: two weeks in a row. Yeah, they really miss him.
Speaker 3: I think that if you look at Jim Schwartz's defense
Speaker 3: is historically like they've shined when he's had like that
Speaker 3: shutdown corner and they're picking on other cornerbacks in this game.
Speaker 3: And like Nikua had one hundred plus yard because of
Speaker 3: that play right there, but he hit one hundred plus
Speaker 3: yards in the first quarter and then like what he
Speaker 3: looks like he had a nasty injury.
Speaker 1: It was a rib injury, but came back in.
Speaker 3: So it's like, this is a gritty young guy who
Speaker 3: like when you don't get big numbers from Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: Stafford Kaleen on him, and it's like they found different
Speaker 3: ways to beat a pretty banged up Browns defense.
Speaker 2: Browns didn't force a turnover, the Browns didn't have a sack.
Speaker 2: A lot of talk about the Browns is a historic
Speaker 2: defense that's kind of out the window now. They've been
Speaker 2: normal for a few weeks now. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if Males Garrett's healthy or not, but you know that's
Speaker 2: now a very quiet game and a big spot. And
Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball. You know Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: You know he's six foot six and he's got the howitzer.
Speaker 2: Even on the Jets last year, if you protected him,
Speaker 2: he made some plays like he could so if they
Speaker 2: can block for him. He cannot play behind a bad
Speaker 2: offensive line at this stage of his career.
Speaker 1: But did they block for him. I'm sure he could
Speaker 1: keep this offense moving.
Speaker 2: But the defense has to rediscover that spark or yeah,
Speaker 2: they're going to fade out of this very quickly.
Speaker 5: The Ramps are interesting.
Speaker 2: This is their first greg three game winning streak since
Speaker 2: their Super Bowl season.
Speaker 4: Wow, and they're limiting teams. I think this is four
Speaker 4: street they've held opponents under twenty one points. The defense,
Speaker 4: which is so undermanned, gets better and better. Kobe Turner,
Speaker 4: a rookie, had a really nice game. But I think
Speaker 4: this was a reminder. Flaco's old, for sure, thirty eight
Speaker 4: years old, but it's easy to forget Matthew Stafford's thirty five,
Speaker 4: and he is just next freaking level. There was a
Speaker 4: play they hit a couple big plays to DeMarcus Robinson
Speaker 4: in the second half, and there was one where Kyron
Speaker 4: Williams is coming out of the back we field on
Speaker 4: a wheel route, and Stafford turns his whole soulder and
Speaker 4: Williams is open, turns his whole soulder to kind of
Speaker 4: look at him, doesn't even do a pumping, but just
Speaker 4: moves his feet and his shoulders to look at Kyrien.
Speaker 4: Williams gets the safety to bite and then just throws
Speaker 4: a total dime behind the safety on that touchdown to Niakua.
Speaker 4: That was an audible at the line of scrimmage. Sean
Speaker 4: McVay did not call that play, and so awesome. Stafford's
Speaker 4: operating at a really, really high level, and that's why
Speaker 4: they're six and six. He still is the biggest reason
Speaker 4: to me that they're six and six.
Speaker 3: You know what, Lebron James and Kareem Abdul Jabarbara booth
Speaker 3: at this game?
Speaker 1: Who at the football game?
Speaker 4: The two highest scoring players in the history of basket.
Speaker 1: But they're basketball players. I don't know, why would they
Speaker 1: be at the I don't know. It made no sense
Speaker 1: to me from that angle that they're not the same sport.
Speaker 1: Doesn't it seem like we should have heard something by now?
Speaker 5: What I mean, how much more time do I have
Speaker 5: to buy for you, Bud.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is the most completely different
Speaker 1: in basketball now. I don't know why this is the
Speaker 1: drop for of all the drops that have gotten the
Speaker 1: most used. There was something highly comical about like flying
Speaker 1: up the rappaport connection, like ian was your supposed to
Speaker 1: from basketball?
Speaker 5: See, yeah, that one.
Speaker 3: Right, an NFL insider saying that, So you know I'm
Speaker 3: getting but I agree.
Speaker 2: I think we all agree with you. So that's why
Speaker 2: I was surprised they were even at the football game.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I it is illogical, all right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of ill logical, the Jets for the past twelve years,
Speaker 2: oh fifty twelve to the medal.
Speaker 10: Ends Boyle from under center here on second at nine,
Speaker 10: play fake to Dalvin Cook. Boyle wants to hang one
Speaker 10: up fort Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 8: And it's picked.
Speaker 10: Jesse Bates has got another one fifth interception of the
Speaker 10: year for Jesse Bates, and like last week, he read
Speaker 10: it from center field.
Speaker 1: In Atlanta.
Speaker 10: Celebrates the pick by Baits with twenty six seconds.
Speaker 5: To go into third.
Speaker 2: Yes, that right there might be the final throw of
Speaker 2: Tim Boyle's NFL career. Yes, another benefactor of the Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers Scholarship fund bit the dust on Sunday, be fuddled
Speaker 2: by the Falcons defense and an ugly thirteen to eight
Speaker 2: win for the NFC South leaders. Desmond Ritter back in
Speaker 2: the lineup for the second game. He threw a twenty
Speaker 2: yard touchdown pass to Mikole Pruitt in the second quarter.
Speaker 5: That was the only touchdown in the game, and that was.
Speaker 2: The only thing that you would really need to beat
Speaker 2: the Jets, who cannot score touchdowns. So the Falcons they
Speaker 2: keep their spot top the NFC South. However, man, if
Speaker 2: you want to talk yourself into the Falcons, go do
Speaker 2: it until you're blue in the face. And I'm not
Speaker 2: going to take anything away from him. They won this game,
Speaker 2: but I just I still don't see it with this team,
Speaker 2: and they could not get the running game going. They
Speaker 2: really won because how inept the other side of the
Speaker 2: ball is here.
Speaker 1: They're a tough watch.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking at this drive chart that the Jets
Speaker 3: had six drives that win for less than six yards,
Speaker 3: I mean, and they seem to look at like it
Speaker 3: every week.
Speaker 9: And I guess i'd ask you this.
Speaker 3: Like, do you see the team con you mean to
Speaker 3: splinter and fracture or was this a little bit better?
Speaker 2: That's almost too exciting a faith for the Jets at
Speaker 2: this point, they just stink.
Speaker 5: They're a bad team.
Speaker 2: They are now on their third quarterback Trevor Simmons came
Speaker 2: in after that boil throw and was equally ineffective. It
Speaker 2: was so and credit the Falcons defense, Okay, you got it,
Speaker 2: because you know, you gotta win games in the league.
Speaker 2: And when the Jets took the field for their last possession,
Speaker 2: they are down. What are they down? They're down five
Speaker 2: points and they have the ball with less than two
Speaker 2: minutes to play. They don't have any timeouts, but they
Speaker 2: have the ball and they just have to go down
Speaker 2: the field and score a touchdown.
Speaker 5: There was no one watching this game.
Speaker 2: There was no one at Metlive Stadium that thought the
Speaker 2: Jets had any chance to go down the field. They
Speaker 2: had one completion on the drive to get near I
Speaker 2: think the forty yard line, and then they just marched
Speaker 2: backwards and didn't even come close. So the Falcons, you know,
Speaker 2: as frustrating and up and down as their offense has
Speaker 2: been this season, and again you would have liked to
Speaker 2: see their running game, you know, do better in this game.
Speaker 2: Their defense has been at times pretty good this year,
Speaker 2: and against a bad offense like the Jets and weather
Speaker 2: like this, it was miserable at the metal ends. They
Speaker 2: took advantage of their setup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is sometimes I think the narrative's
Speaker 4: been played up too much that the Jets defense is
Speaker 4: just holding on, holding on, holding on some of those
Speaker 4: games that they haven't been, you know, pristine this game.
Speaker 4: You give up one hundred and ninety four yards, you
Speaker 4: give up three yards per play, You hold the Falcons
Speaker 4: running attack, which was outstanding last week, to ninety yards.
Speaker 4: You keep giving your offense a chance after chance after chance.
Speaker 4: The Jets offense had seven possessions in the second half.
Speaker 4: They did everything humanly possible. This was kind of the
Speaker 4: stereotypical Jets game that we've been talking about all years,
Speaker 4: and now they have the fewest touchdowns of any team
Speaker 4: through twelve games in thirty years. And I saw this
Speaker 4: stat from whoa from it was? I think it was
Speaker 4: on true media. I forget who tweeted out. I apologize,
Speaker 4: but two of the top five worst games of off
Speaker 4: target throws from quarterback, so they measure how many throws
Speaker 4: did you have in the game that gave your receiver
Speaker 4: no chance to even make the catch. Tim Boyle in
Speaker 4: this game was I think third worst all season, and
Speaker 4: Trevor Simeon was fifth worst.
Speaker 1: So it was like they.
Speaker 4: Can't find they can't find a quarterback who could just
Speaker 4: throw the ball. And I know there was bad weather,
Speaker 4: but it's like Ritter wasn't on that list.
Speaker 2: As I will do on these Sundays this season, because
Speaker 2: this has been, honestly, and there have been so many
Speaker 2: but in a lot of ways, the most frustrating worst
Speaker 2: Jets season ever because of the Rogers side of things,
Speaker 2: and maybe if there's any positive to this, this almost
Speaker 2: certainly should take Aaron Rodgers out of play trying to
Speaker 2: force his way back on the field because they are
Speaker 2: essentially eliminated at this point four and eight. I heard
Speaker 2: there were Zach Wilson apologists in my mentions being like, oh,
Speaker 2: and you wanted and you wanted Zack Wilson out of lineup.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it didn't work, but it.
Speaker 2: Was always a hail Mary to see if one of
Speaker 2: these guys could provide a spark.
Speaker 1: Neither could, and now you have Bob Sala, who.
Speaker 2: Has completely been stripped of any dignity up on the
Speaker 2: press on the day of saying, oh, you know, you
Speaker 2: might be turning to another quarterback next week. And again,
Speaker 2: it didn't have to be over after Week one. Maybe
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl dreams had to be over, but you
Speaker 2: could have still been competitive this year if you went
Speaker 2: out and got a real quarterback. You didn't, and like
Speaker 2: I said, you get what you deserve. So another gruesome
Speaker 2: Sunday at the Metal Lands. And the thing I worry
Speaker 2: about spinning forward now is, and I've seen it before,
Speaker 2: they got some really talented it's a top heavy roster
Speaker 2: for the Jets, but a lot of talented young guys
Speaker 2: that are living through a gruesome season after a horrible
Speaker 2: ending to last season, and it's just bad energy and
Speaker 2: bad vibes, and that leads to negative talk and guys
Speaker 2: maybe not.
Speaker 5: Wanted to be in the building anymore.
Speaker 2: And they're seeing what's going on elsewhere in the league
Speaker 2: where people are having fun and winning games.
Speaker 5: It's gotten to that place for the Jets.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much else needs to be
Speaker 2: said about this game. The Falcons took care of business,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't overly impressed by them. It was like
Speaker 2: a mediocre team against a team that is completely imploded
Speaker 2: and the mediocre team came out ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel really ultimately incorrect about what I thought
Speaker 3: the Falcons would be. And they're just the middle of
Speaker 3: the road team and a terrible division. They're gonna get
Speaker 3: an extra game in January that I don't need to watch.
Speaker 4: But maybe maybe there's there's six and sent that they're
Speaker 4: in that world, there's six and six, so that gives
Speaker 4: them a one game lead over the Saints and the Bucks.
Speaker 4: Hopefully it's only one NFC South team to sneak in,
Speaker 4: although if the you know, the Falcons are at six
Speaker 4: and six, they were one of four teams we just
Speaker 4: mentioned the Rams that are at six and six.
Speaker 1: It might turn into five. It's a six and sick
Speaker 1: God help us, and they.
Speaker 9: Get two teams from that Southern Probably won't happen.
Speaker 1: Probably won't happen. A. J.
Speaker 4: Terrell got hurt in this game, by the way, their
Speaker 4: best defensive day after losing Grady Jarrett.
Speaker 1: You know they need him back, all right, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see.
Speaker 5: Let us move to you're dying with anticipation Arch.
Speaker 2: Let's move to Pittsburgh, where the Steelers are looking to
Speaker 2: continue their quest twelve and five.
Speaker 15: They're down on a yard on the nine. Three tight
Speaker 15: ends Murray under center, Connor behind him, one receiver to
Speaker 15: the right. They hand it off Connor.
Speaker 3: To the left.
Speaker 15: First down, Connor dies for the end zone touchdown. James
Speaker 15: Connor with two scores and the welcome back party in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: All the Carls just.
Speaker 8: Broke out the black and blue brigade.
Speaker 13: Baby light up and suck the beating heart leaf.
Speaker 8: Speaking of your opponents.
Speaker 1: Whoa put that to clip it?
Speaker 2: And I know, Eric, you know when we're saying this,
Speaker 2: do we have a folder of the top calls of
Speaker 2: the year. I have a folder because because once again
Speaker 2: Ron wolf Lee is announcing this is my competition to lose.
Speaker 2: I like that, he clarified, metaphorically, speaking right. James Connor,
Speaker 2: the former Steeler, ran for a buck five and two touchdowns,
Speaker 2: including the game Icer and the Cardinals beat the Steelers
Speaker 2: twenty four to ten at the field formerly known as Hines.
Speaker 2: It's their first win in Pittsburgh since the Summer of Love, Mark, which.
Speaker 9: Was nineteen sixty nine. Well, it depends who you are, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and Gregy, I mean, oh soon, come
Speaker 2: on now, Steelers.
Speaker 5: We can't.
Speaker 1: We can't. It can't be December and we're losing games
Speaker 1: to the tanking card.
Speaker 4: We can't this for a game that was delayed by
Speaker 4: lightning multiple times in Pittsburgh in December, come back to us,
Speaker 4: mother Nature.
Speaker 2: It's a high desert team flying across the country. They're
Speaker 2: just looking to get this game over.
Speaker 4: With right, And at one point was twenty four to three.
Speaker 4: It was highly entertaining and surprising. Sometimes you watch a
Speaker 4: game and you're just not expecting it to go a
Speaker 4: certain way, and late in the second quarter of this game,
Speaker 4: it was going how we expected that the Steelers had
Speaker 4: out gained the Cardinals at that point one sixty one
Speaker 4: to thirty six, and then a two play sequence on
Speaker 4: the goal line changed everything. Kenny Pickett scrambled trying to
Speaker 4: score at the four, he got to the one yard line,
Speaker 4: he hurt his ankle. We're now hearing again that it's
Speaker 4: a significant injury according to Jerry Dulac, and that he
Speaker 4: just said not good and that'll miss some time, extended time.
Speaker 4: So if it's an ankle injury too.
Speaker 1: He's ducked serious and you just get hurt every few.
Speaker 4: Weeks and he takes a lot of big hits, so
Speaker 4: that sounds like a multiple week injury. In comes Trubisky.
Speaker 4: He hands it off to Nase Harris. It's three to
Speaker 4: three at the time, even though the Steelers have totally dominated,
Speaker 4: they hand it to Harris.
Speaker 1: He gets stoned at the one.
Speaker 4: Well, at least he got the Steelers defense backed up
Speaker 4: or playing against the Cardinals, who have ever done anything
Speaker 4: backed up. Kyler Murray leads one of the most epic
Speaker 4: drives of the year, fifteen plays, ninety ninety yards for
Speaker 4: a touchdown, and you know what, Kyler Murray played fantastic
Speaker 4: the rest of the game. So did James Connor, and
Speaker 4: they kind of dominated the second half of this game.
Speaker 4: Trey McBride went wild the second year, tight and eight
Speaker 4: for eighty.
Speaker 1: Nine in a touchdown.
Speaker 4: He dominated that that ninety nine yard drive and I
Speaker 4: was just floored by how much this game changed in
Speaker 4: that sequence.
Speaker 3: That fifteen play touchdown drive was Arizona's longest march since
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: That you know what else is it's the longest march
Speaker 4: in NFL history. I mean yards wides, you can't can't
Speaker 4: top it. It's tied a bit.
Speaker 9: And on top it can't beat it. I have a
Speaker 9: weird stat from this game.
Speaker 5: Weirder than what Greg just said. I guess that was weird.
Speaker 9: I think it's I'd say it's less trenches.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray at five to ten in a quarter inches
Speaker 3: to rondeel Moore, who's five to seven.
Speaker 1: Their touchdown combination.
Speaker 3: Is the shortest duo to connect for a touchdown since
Speaker 3: Pard Pierce, who was five foot five, threw a touchdown
Speaker 3: to Dutch s Tournament was five foot eight on the
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty Decatur Staley's I think it was football.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's a different sport, Gunners. That's pretty good. Although
Speaker 1: they dead that came from Adam Harstadt and that was
Speaker 1: fa That was one of my favorite plays and throws
Speaker 1: of the week, and they actually called it back because
Speaker 1: of a holding call.
Speaker 4: But he has thrown touchdowns to rondel Moore in the past,
Speaker 4: I believe, so that would still be a true statement unless.
Speaker 3: One of them was much taller when that happened.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was Kyler.
Speaker 4: You look at the box score and you see one
Speaker 4: hundred and forty five yards on twenty three attempts at
Speaker 4: a touchdown, you think, okay, it was good game, nothing crazy,
Speaker 4: but he had two of the best throws I saw
Speaker 4: a week. One was would have been a sixty yard
Speaker 4: play to Moore who dropped it, and the other was
Speaker 4: like a forty yard touchdown to More where Moore made
Speaker 4: a great play. It was a great throw on the
Speaker 4: run and it ends up getting called back. And it
Speaker 4: was very confusing because they never showed flag on the
Speaker 4: on the broadcast got suddenly they just are lining up again.
Speaker 9: But wow, they brought us asleep at the wheel.
Speaker 1: Little James Connor revenge game in Pittsburgh, it was fun.
Speaker 2: How about Mike Tomlin, who's got to be I mean,
Speaker 2: we know our boy Mike t the Aviators. He had
Speaker 2: to be furious with his Steelers laying an egg against
Speaker 2: the Cards.
Speaker 5: Let's listen, you know that was a horrible day at
Speaker 5: the office. We didn't do much right in that game,
Speaker 5: to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 13: So we got to own that obviously, starting first and
Speaker 13: foremost with me.
Speaker 5: Just losing football.
Speaker 1: A lot of it was like bad snaps called it JV.
Speaker 1: He said it was a JV. Performed had a lot
Speaker 1: of bad penalties.
Speaker 4: Team, Yeah, they had a lot of big penalties. Nine
Speaker 4: for seventy seven, and they're usually one of the least
Speaker 4: penalty teams. They had like three different bad snaps, so
Speaker 4: you'll see in the box score that Trubisky and Picket
Speaker 4: both had fumbles, but those were the bad stumps. They
Speaker 4: lost one, so they set up a short field. Like
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, touchdowns were often other than the ninety nine
Speaker 4: yard one. We're on short fields, and yeah, it was
Speaker 4: just sloppy. Trubisky wasn't great, but he took a couple
Speaker 4: of shots. He wasn't He wasn't a disaster. It was
Speaker 4: just they got down fast in a hurry, and JJ
Speaker 4: Watt went out with an injury. He did say after
Speaker 4: the game, JJ Watt did our TJ Watt sorry, that
Speaker 4: he's fine and he'll be playing on Thursday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that says.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be that guy because you guys
Speaker 2: are excited about it, but I just couldn't get on
Speaker 2: board with this Pittsburgh offense turning the corner talk this
Speaker 2: week and then this game happens and I have to
Speaker 2: watch it. But it's just like, even when they were
Speaker 2: putting up more yards, they still weren't scoring points.
Speaker 1: And once again, they can't. You can't score.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was a reminder their running game
Speaker 4: was working great until the moment they got stuffed on
Speaker 4: the goal line. But when you suddenly get down two
Speaker 4: touchdowns like that kind of went out the window.
Speaker 3: Well that's so called explosion happened against the Bengals team
Speaker 3: with zero offense.
Speaker 9: Right now in the defense thought and.
Speaker 4: It included again sixteen points, as Dan pointed out, normal
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, this guy, this guy McBride who again
Speaker 4: for the seventeen people like myself who watched all or
Speaker 4: Nothing and Trey McBride was featuring out hard knocks in
Speaker 4: the very likable guy who had very little role last year.
Speaker 4: I think he is their leading receiver for the season
Speaker 4: now Dan, which maybe is not a great thing, but
Speaker 4: he's on pace for over eight hundred yards. That's pretty
Speaker 4: big time for a tight end.
Speaker 1: Let's big weapons in the off season. It's hands Mark.
Speaker 5: We got to to get twelve and five.
Speaker 2: Now, we got to be Patriots at Indy verse Sincy,
Speaker 2: at Seahawks, at Ravens, need them all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna happen in the Cardinals. It's not happening.
Speaker 1: Thank you Cardinals for winning this game and helping out
Speaker 1: the tankathon exploits of the Patriots. Here, let's take a
Speaker 1: break and then we'll hit those patriots.
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Speaker 1: That's good, you know what I mean. And so that's
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Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, you could have a last
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Speaker 1: I mean, that seems like a downer. Seems like a downer.
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Speaker 5: That would be that would get people talking.
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Speaker 3: Just why have they never why have they never invested
Speaker 3: even a penny on our shows before?
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Speaker 1: All right, let's head to Foxborough where the bizarre misery continued.
Speaker 1: For Greg's patriots Herbert to throw.
Speaker 12: As a man, it's the game, Alex Erickson.
Speaker 1: When the game demanded, excel.
Speaker 12: Etta, do not shrink when the lights are the brightest.
Speaker 12: He puts the ball in his most valuable weapons hands
Speaker 12: and justin Herbert delivers the victory.
Speaker 1: Put that on the list.
Speaker 5: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: You gotta know money like you got a chance to
Speaker 2: work with money for a few years of powering. The
Speaker 2: man's got a keen sense of humor and a dry wit.
Speaker 2: You could you could hear the sarcasm pulsing through that call.
Speaker 2: And again, also, if you're gonna put any other guy
Speaker 2: from San Diego too, If you're gonna put you're gonna
Speaker 2: take money out of seal beach where he's doing his
Speaker 2: surfing at six am, and you're gonna put him on
Speaker 2: a plane and send him to New England in December
Speaker 2: for this nothing burger of a game. At least get
Speaker 2: a w Chargers and they do as Cameron Dicker made
Speaker 2: two thirty eight yard field goals Hunter JK. Scott, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's been in the Pats inside the twenty all day,
Speaker 2: seven times in the in the and rain, and Herbert
Speaker 2: picked up that late completion. Mark Sessler six nothing the final, WHOA.
Speaker 1: This was the worst football game I've ever watched?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: Six nothing?
Speaker 1: Two field goals, two short field goals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'd say from a distance, I'd kind of
Speaker 3: be into that kind of a game because it stands
Speaker 3: out is something very usual dog type of game.
Speaker 1: You're right unwatchable.
Speaker 3: How so, Bailey Zappi is in there, Yon Uh is
Speaker 3: a worse than Mac Jones. I think it's hard to
Speaker 3: detect who is worse because there's also nothing around them.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: They lost Formandri Stevenson with an ankleer injury pretty early
Speaker 3: in this and that's really all they seem to have.
Speaker 3: I thought Zappi's day was characterized by a pretty great
Speaker 3: deep shot in the third quarter the trailing six nothing
Speaker 3: horrible drop by Tykwon Thornton. It's like they just can't
Speaker 3: get anything done. The Patriots defense looked good because that's
Speaker 3: the Chargers. The Chargers are spiralingly a little on offense.
Speaker 3: They cannot run the ball, they have no balance the Patriots.
Speaker 3: This is a This is a wacky stat They are
Speaker 3: the first team to lose three straight games despite allowing
Speaker 3: ten or fewer points in those three games since go
Speaker 3: back to nineteen thirty eight to the Chicago Cardinals. Every
Speaker 3: other team this year that has allowed fewer than ten
Speaker 3: ten or fewer points is fifty three and zero. That
Speaker 3: this offense is so bad. Three yeah, this offense is
Speaker 3: so bad. They're so unwatchable. And yet I kind of think,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we don't know where anyone where
Speaker 3: Belichick will be after all that. It's like what they
Speaker 3: did last year by or last week by you know,
Speaker 3: I think overtly missing that final field goal and try
Speaker 3: to miss I don't know, I you.
Speaker 1: Know, weren't playing for the win. That remains like the
Speaker 1: jury is out.
Speaker 3: In my opinion on that, that was drastic. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's kind of working out perfectly. They're so bad that
Speaker 3: they're probably gonna guess get snagged the number one number.
Speaker 2: And I'll take it a step further. Everyone's connecting Belichick
Speaker 2: to the Chargers. I don't know whether there's actual logic
Speaker 2: to it, Well, there's logic but actual smoke to it,
Speaker 2: or if there's.
Speaker 5: Fire to it or what.
Speaker 2: But not only did you lose again, and it's it's
Speaker 2: remarkable how badly this season has gone. I never thought
Speaker 2: it could get this bad for Bill belichicking doing because no,
Speaker 2: and I'm not I don't even want to go down
Speaker 2: the road of like if he's really the greatest coach
Speaker 2: of all time, how could this be happening, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of things going on here. But like you know,
Speaker 2: he also made the Chargers look bad again in its
Speaker 2: own way, So it's another nail and the coffin of
Speaker 2: Brandon Stalley despite getting the win in a way, so
Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to Renferral, like wo Staley's defense just
Speaker 1: pitched the shutout.
Speaker 3: No, so that's a thing like that is it's not
Speaker 3: all negative because I like I'm losing hope in their offense.
Speaker 9: Quentin Johnson another terrible drop today.
Speaker 1: Oh that was awful.
Speaker 3: I mean, if it's happening every week, so I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's there's no new story there.
Speaker 1: But Khalil Mack had two more secks. He has fifty.
Speaker 1: He leads the NFL with fifty.
Speaker 2: When I saw that on Twitter, I was thinking to myself, Okay,
Speaker 2: we know he had that insane when he had seven,
Speaker 2: So that's always gonna juice it. But he has a
Speaker 2: chance to challenge for the all time sack record Khalil Mack,
Speaker 2: he's twenty three, Yeah, that could happen. He certainly could
Speaker 2: challenge for a twenty sex season, which only about what
Speaker 2: twenty guys or whatever.
Speaker 4: All he's got to do is play Zappi and Indan
Speaker 4: O'Connell every week and he'll he'll get it done because Zappy,
Speaker 4: the little I watched, was just holding onto the ball
Speaker 4: forever on some of those plays. But this still fifteen sacks, No, Still,
Speaker 4: he has been third. He's been fantastic this year. That
Speaker 4: the thing that gets me, and it happened these last
Speaker 4: two weeks with this team is Belichick has spent more
Speaker 4: money and more time and he's so worried about the details,
Speaker 4: and he invests in all these special teams only players,
Speaker 4: and their special teams are terrible, their bottom five and
Speaker 4: Dvoa their kicker who they drafted and got rid of
Speaker 4: focus terrible. And then every other time I was I
Speaker 4: looked at this game, you got Bryce Behringer, who's one
Speaker 4: of the worst punters in the league. Bryce Behringer, who's
Speaker 4: another rookie punter who they also drafted. The drafted a punter,
Speaker 4: and the kickers, and like the difference in punting in
Speaker 4: this game and the kicker, like, it's just if you've
Speaker 4: lost that with Belichick. I know the defense has been
Speaker 4: playing well, and yeah they have been. Uh it's still
Speaker 4: not good.
Speaker 5: But we could save this conversation.
Speaker 1: But how is it?
Speaker 2: How is Bill Belichick presiding over something this truly dreadful?
Speaker 2: How has this happened? How could it happen?
Speaker 4: Well, it's been in the same place, and he has
Speaker 4: no checks on his power. And the few people that
Speaker 4: maybe not had checks on his power, but would you know,
Speaker 4: answer to him or like have some power in the organization.
Speaker 1: They're all they're all long gone. Nick Casserio, he's long gone,
Speaker 1: Like they're all Tom Brady's long gone of course as well,
Speaker 1: that's for a long time. Yes, let's hear from Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Awkward press conferences are the norm, and now you know
Speaker 2: he's forced to answer these questions about his own job security.
Speaker 1: Bill, do you want to stay here and keep coaching
Speaker 1: the Patriots?
Speaker 5: I look forward to this weekend right for a Steelers
Speaker 5: read that.
Speaker 2: You know that's kind of a Bill answer, But it
Speaker 2: all feels like the beginning.
Speaker 5: Of the end.
Speaker 3: You and I are getting Steelers Patriots on Thursday nights in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a little trubisky zapp dog. How about this?
Speaker 2: The world is getting Jets Patriots in week eighteen. It's
Speaker 2: not like many people watch at the Earth like ready
Speaker 2: to eviscerate everything that lives upon it.
Speaker 1: I take the medior.
Speaker 4: By the way, the Chargers in the AFC at five
Speaker 4: and seven are two games back of a playoff spot.
Speaker 4: You can't totally ax them out. But if they were
Speaker 4: in the NFC, it'd say they'd have a chance. In
Speaker 4: the AFC, two games back with five games to play
Speaker 4: and a lot of teams to hop is a lot.
Speaker 5: But can't do that.
Speaker 1: They have to just win out essentially and go there,
Speaker 1: which they will not be doing they will not be
Speaker 1: doing that. Most likely.
Speaker 3: We're in that of the year where we have these
Speaker 3: conversations and you're just waiting for the slow crawl of
Speaker 3: time to remove these teams permanently and mathematically.
Speaker 2: All right, let's head to Tampa where the Panthers and
Speaker 2: Bucks did battle in the downpour.
Speaker 11: The snap of Goodwin bell Hide dropping to throw Bryce
Speaker 11: Young flushed out of the pocket, flushed down the holds
Speaker 11: the ball upfield. It is in a sap that packed
Speaker 11: pop with the forty three yard line and John magnificent
Speaker 11: Antwuan wentfield want he was up. The whole hung theel
Speaker 11: was an inn second shaster down to the sideline and
Speaker 11: Young those a pick and the Bucks.
Speaker 1: Happened the Great Jean decker Hoff with a call.
Speaker 5: Yes, Antoine Winfield.
Speaker 2: When it looked as if the Panthers could somehow find
Speaker 2: a way, Bryce Young threw it up for grabs. Winfield
Speaker 2: came away from the ball with the ball through the
Speaker 2: from the sideline, steps from the sideline, and the Buccaneers
Speaker 2: escape with a twenty one to eighteen.
Speaker 5: Win over the Mori Bun.
Speaker 2: The Carolina Panthers, playing their first game without Frank Reich.
Speaker 5: So what to take away from this game.
Speaker 1: First of all, let's let's look on Mike Evans.
Speaker 2: Just when this game appeared to be slipping away from
Speaker 2: the Bucks and Baker was having a miserable game, he
Speaker 2: was averaging like four yards. In attempt, he hits Evans
Speaker 2: over the middle. Evans goes down the sideline like a
Speaker 2: house on fire. He dives toward the pylon. They mark
Speaker 2: him down at the one, as the officials often were today,
Speaker 2: they were wrong. He actually cleared the pylon and upon review,
Speaker 2: he gets credited with the touchdown as he deserves seventy
Speaker 2: five yards. Changed the game, got everybody back in line,
Speaker 2: and gave Baker a stat line that you wouldn't be
Speaker 2: afraid to show to your family. Evans finished with seven
Speaker 2: for one sixty two. He is now over one thousand yards.
Speaker 2: He has now gone over one thousand yards for ten
Speaker 2: concent executive seasons. Jerry Rice has the record of eleven
Speaker 2: straight seasons. Wild and It's funny. I think it was
Speaker 2: Nick Westling who texted me at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: year and says, like Mike Evans doesn't get enough respect.
Speaker 2: He should be in the Superstar club. Look what this
Speaker 2: guy's done. And the interesting thing about Evans' career is
Speaker 2: he's gone over one thousands. I just said, every single
Speaker 2: year for a decade. He has ten touchdowns this year,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the quarterback is. And he had that
Speaker 2: golden period with Brady, but he's also played with a
Speaker 2: lot of ham and Eggers, Mark and Baker is you know,
Speaker 2: kind of on the upper scale of that type of
Speaker 2: group of quarterback. He is just an incredible player. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a superstar, but I think
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer right.
Speaker 3: Because, I mean, you know, literally, Jerry Rice is one
Speaker 3: of the greatest players of all time.
Speaker 9: But Jerry Rice had great quarterback play.
Speaker 1: Around him, and he didn't do it to art the career.
Speaker 4: This is a record in terms of starting his career that,
Speaker 4: like Evans, is just way ahead of anyone else.
Speaker 3: I think one thing about Evans this year's simply because
Speaker 3: I remember they were just an unwatchable mess on offense
Speaker 3: for much of last season and it was like tons
Speaker 3: Tom Brady and Tom Brady and Evans were not on
Speaker 3: the same page. When Baker's been good, I mean, Baker
Speaker 3: and Evans have had a pretty good connection from wire
Speaker 3: to wire this season, and it's just another example of
Speaker 3: like Evans adjusting to whatever's around him and being that consistent.
Speaker 4: Right, and he could he I think he only topped
Speaker 4: fourteen hundred yards once. He had a fifteen hundred yard
Speaker 4: season in twenty eighteen. I mean, he's got a chance
Speaker 4: to even get there this year. He's in a contracts
Speaker 4: on pace for about fourteen hundred yards. Yeah, he's in
Speaker 4: a contract year. Between him and Winfield, they actually have
Speaker 4: two teams, two guys that have a chance.
Speaker 1: Evans probably isn't gonna.
Speaker 4: Make All Pro because the receivers so tough to make that,
Speaker 4: but I think Winfield has a chance. I really have
Speaker 4: just been so impressed by Winfield each and every week.
Speaker 4: He had a sack, two tackles for the lost three
Speaker 4: passes defense, He had the interception eight times. I just
Speaker 4: haven't seen a more impactful safety. So that's been a weekly.
Speaker 1: Thing with him.
Speaker 2: He is Evans, and we'll move off Evans, but he
Speaker 2: is an interesting player, and he's kind of the fascinating
Speaker 2: greg when you get to your free agency one oh one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think age thirty one season, one of the most
Speaker 2: consistent players in the history of the sport, Like, what
Speaker 2: kind of market would he have Anyway?
Speaker 5: The Bucks in the NFC South, which is bad.
Speaker 2: As we've stated, that was only the second win for
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay in the last eight games, but now that
Speaker 2: they are in a tie for second place in the division,
Speaker 2: so they are in the mix. And it wasn't always
Speaker 2: pretty in this game, but they got the job done
Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball. No Basachia bump
Speaker 2: here for the Panthers, who were competitive in the rainy conditions,
Speaker 2: but they're still just you're not seeing anything with this offense.
Speaker 2: Chuba Hubbard did some things, got in the end zone
Speaker 2: twice for him, but I just just don't see it.
Speaker 2: I have this theory that I'm working on. I'm work
Speaker 2: shopping that Bryce Young is getting one in shorter every
Speaker 2: week now, so now he's about five or six at
Speaker 2: the top many more weeks. The pocket feels impossibly muddy
Speaker 2: around him. And there was one play in this game
Speaker 2: where the rush was coming, he kind of just turned
Speaker 2: and threw it behind him and it bounced that a
Speaker 2: bounds for a fumble and earths like there was another
Speaker 2: play it was a big I believe it was a
Speaker 2: third down where it was very clear he had to
Speaker 2: check out of a play and he doesn't, and they
Speaker 2: run right into a big loss where they're showing a
Speaker 2: blitz and he just doesn't see it. So whoever it
Speaker 2: is that's tasked with kind of getting him on the
Speaker 2: right track, he just has They have a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a lost year and it's like it's gonna
Speaker 3: be an off season of a billion storylines about how
Speaker 3: now he feels comfortable and it's it's a new start.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's been a rough spot.
Speaker 3: But like I thought that final, that fourth down game ender,
Speaker 3: like he had a chance to if he were little,
Speaker 3: if he were reacting more quickly to hit Adam Feeling
Speaker 3: it was like it shouldn't have happened the way it happened.
Speaker 1: Like it was just anothers right, somebody's just.
Speaker 3: Sort of like not really, there's not a part of
Speaker 3: it where you see. It's crazy to me that he
Speaker 3: outdueled if that's how you want to put it.
Speaker 5: C J.
Speaker 3: Stroud in the one time they met, like it was
Speaker 3: like the most atypical.
Speaker 5: Game duel that strong.
Speaker 1: You know, to go and have won that game.
Speaker 9: It feels like four years ago.
Speaker 1: It's out played slightly. I would I would say best game.
Speaker 1: I think usually out duled is like two y athletes
Speaker 1: playing on a high fifty the other.
Speaker 4: I could be wrong. I don't think the Panthers scored
Speaker 4: a touchdown in that game. I believe they won with
Speaker 4: five field goals. But I was getting a lot of
Speaker 4: texts that you mentioned they didn't get the Bassachia bump.
Speaker 4: But according to our friend Spice Rack, the fired coach
Speaker 4: principal at least in terms of the desert is nine
Speaker 4: and oh since September twenty O.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't fact check.
Speaker 4: This mean he's including, he's including college, but Carolina kept
Speaker 4: it closer than expected.
Speaker 1: It is my point here, you.
Speaker 2: Don't get credit for the bassac bump when you lose. Now,
Speaker 2: this isn't We're not all in the desert. Okay, Now
Speaker 2: that's for teams that win after the firing.
Speaker 4: I do want to use his comparison ails who win,
Speaker 4: because he was going nuts because he wanted the Panthers
Speaker 4: to do better and win this game, and at one
Speaker 4: point the fire, he was on fire, comparing Young to
Speaker 4: Bryce Young in terms of his body language, saying it
Speaker 4: was identical Bryce Young to Achilles Smith was his comparisons,
Speaker 4: but he wants to be anywhere by here. I will
Speaker 4: just push back just just a little slightly, which is
Speaker 4: just it reminds me a little bit, maybe because they're
Speaker 4: all number one picks. Alex Smith's rookie season was the
Speaker 4: worst top pick or really rookie pick I've ever seen,
Speaker 4: and he bounced back pretty quick to be okay.
Speaker 1: And Eli and Jared Goff were close.
Speaker 4: So all those guys were in a similar situation where
Speaker 4: they they showed almost no bright spots their entire rookie season.
Speaker 1: So it's it's happened before.
Speaker 3: There's something else here though, Like, yeah, you're right, and
Speaker 3: it's like there needs to be patients. But I really
Speaker 3: watch Bryce Young and feel like, to your point, Dan,
Speaker 3: like he plays small, and it's like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's not Eli Manning, you.
Speaker 1: Know, his prototypical perfect quarterback type build.
Speaker 2: Right, Like he is small. It is he plays small.
Speaker 2: He's small, and he's getting sacked. They're on pace to
Speaker 2: Carolina line is not helping him. He's on pace to
Speaker 2: be sacked sixty six times, which is almost the team record.
Speaker 2: So that's a recipe for disaster as well. Oh Man
Speaker 2: they are hot on our tails. Greg in the in
Speaker 2: the pits competition, they are right behind us now two games.
Speaker 1: You should have seen a face when when you said
Speaker 1: us just now, He's like, what is this narrative?
Speaker 5: Dan, You're wrong right now? Greg? And what is our record? Greg? Eleven?
Speaker 1: And what are you talking? I'm eleven in one. You're
Speaker 1: one to o jumping on with me. Actually you're not
Speaker 1: because the one week I got wrong. Now the three
Speaker 1: of us all did it together. Well, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different standings of play.
Speaker 2: So I'm one and one when we picked, I'm talking one,
Speaker 2: and since I just got on the train, I'm one
Speaker 2: and one overall. After they blew up the entire operation,
Speaker 2: after the horrible Joe Burray injury designation UH fiasco. And
Speaker 2: then if you want to look at the the broader,
Speaker 2: I think I'm I don't want to eleven.
Speaker 9: I don't want to look at the broader like I
Speaker 9: think this is a this is a farce.
Speaker 2: You want to join the Rosenthal train because it was
Speaker 2: a it was a little bit of a bumpy ride today,
Speaker 2: but weed on the champagne and eating Caveo.
Speaker 3: I locked up the Niners with confidence and never for
Speaker 3: a second had any concern about that.
Speaker 5: Affair us job, that was a good luck get it.
Speaker 5: We all got done. Yeah, right across the board.
Speaker 3: I'll travel my own path though, You're a brave man.
Speaker 3: Me makes second to last place.
Speaker 5: So it's just me. It's Greg in the motorcycle and
Speaker 5: me in the sidecar.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most bizarre podcast strategies you
Speaker 1: ever had. Storyline Right Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 13: Three receivers right, shootable life, snapped to my homes looking,
Speaker 13: steps up, scrambling left, still looking still waiting, fires it
Speaker 13: into the end zone, broken up, incomplete and.
Speaker 1: Dagger your dagger. The game is over.
Speaker 13: The Packers have defeated the Chiefs twenty seven to nineteen.
Speaker 1: I what a moment for this young team.
Speaker 2: Wayne Laravie with the call for Packers Radio, and yes,
Speaker 2: it is a big moment for the green Bay Packers,
Speaker 2: a team on the rise now uh six and after
Speaker 2: a twenty seven to nineteen win over the mighty chief
Speaker 2: Well are the Chiefs mighty? I'm not sure about that anymore,
Speaker 2: but a big win for the Packers coming off obviously
Speaker 2: a huge Thanksgiving win over the Lions, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden green Bay looks like a team that makes
Speaker 2: some real noise in a wide open NFC. And boys, look,
Speaker 2: we got to start unfortunately, and we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 2: give the Packers their flowers, but we got to talk
Speaker 2: about what everybody's gonna be talking about, which is an
Speaker 2: absolute meltdown by the officiating crew in the final minute
Speaker 2: and a half of this game.
Speaker 5: I'm actually looking at it right now.
Speaker 2: Boys, there were you can make the case that they
Speaker 2: blew five calls in the final sixty five seconds of
Speaker 2: the game. Patrick Mahomes scrambles out of bounds at the
Speaker 2: CAC forty for ten yards. They penalize Owen's on green
Speaker 2: Bay for unnecessary roughness. Bogus call, not the right call,
Speaker 2: not even.
Speaker 4: A question, and was an emphasis on the by the
Speaker 4: rules committee in the offseason to not let quarterbacks bait
Speaker 4: defenders into those costs.
Speaker 2: And they still Terry McCauley comes in for NBC says, hey,
Speaker 2: this is the wrong call.
Speaker 5: This is that you cannot throw a flag here.
Speaker 2: The very next play, Patrick Mahomes to Rashid Rice for
Speaker 2: ten yards, he's down by contact. They rule it a
Speaker 2: fumble that gets overt turned on review. But that even
Speaker 2: has a butterfly effect by missing that call and ruling
Speaker 2: rice up when the pall comes out. That leads to
Speaker 2: the Pachenko fight Isaya Pachenko fight where he takes a
Speaker 2: swing and he gets suspended. That's a missed call, overturned
Speaker 2: on review.
Speaker 3: And that took about twenty seven minutes, it felt like
Speaker 3: for them to sort.
Speaker 5: All that out.
Speaker 2: Then you have Patrick Mahomes dropping back to pass and
Speaker 2: he unfurls a deep ball to Marquez Valdez Scantling a
Speaker 2: clear pass interference once again, no doubt about it. They
Speaker 2: do not throw the flag again. They bring in McCauley
Speaker 2: and McCall. He says, yeah, that is obvious past interference.
Speaker 2: It should also be said that mvs also made a
Speaker 2: catch on the play prior to that, where he had
Speaker 2: his forward momentum had stopped and he's moving backwards as
Speaker 2: he's pushed out of bounds, but the side jes rules
Speaker 2: that he was able to stop the clock.
Speaker 5: That's a blown call. And then finally, and I know.
Speaker 2: This one is gonna be one, especially Packer fans are
Speaker 2: gonna say, shut up, Dan, but a hail mary throw
Speaker 2: and it's not really even a hail mary guys.
Speaker 5: It was from the thirty three yard line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Travis Kelcey gets a two handed shove in the
Speaker 2: back as the balls approaching the end zone, taking him
Speaker 2: out of the play. And yes, Greg, you can say
Speaker 2: on that play, nobody throws the flag there but one.
Speaker 1: He took the essentially the guy most capable of making
Speaker 1: that play out of the play with a two handed
Speaker 1: shove and two men.
Speaker 5: I know, makeup calls exist.
Speaker 1: If there's a way to make up for the MVS
Speaker 1: blown call, maybe you throw the flag there. But they didn't.
Speaker 1: And the packers of the Bend.
Speaker 4: Well, they're all they're all humans, And I don't know
Speaker 4: who made them non call.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. We got to get some AI refs
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 4: I don't know who made the non call on the
Speaker 4: pass interference to uh vow the scantling should have been
Speaker 4: a pass interference. It was Corey Valentine that was in coverage.
Speaker 4: That to me in the moment felt like a makeup call,
Speaker 4: makeup non call essentially from the Mahomes because that happened
Speaker 4: right after the Mahomes which they blew that call.
Speaker 1: It was brutal.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they somehow knew that they brewed
Speaker 4: that call, but they were suddenly in the crosshairs.
Speaker 1: It like they helped the Chiefs get to that point.
Speaker 4: And then right after that was the throw down the field,
Speaker 4: and that was the one of all of these that
Speaker 4: was truly egregious.
Speaker 1: And probably changed the game. I think it's worth going, Yes.
Speaker 5: It's first and ten at the sixth Greg.
Speaker 1: Okay, first goal, okay.
Speaker 4: And they struggled twice in the red zone tonight, and
Speaker 4: they had to hit a two point conversion and there's overtime,
Speaker 4: so it changed how the whole rest of the game
Speaker 4: would have gone by just worth noting, like, you don't
Speaker 4: know that the result of the game is right, it's.
Speaker 3: Still brutal, right, It's like we were saying, you know
Speaker 3: before we recorded, like it wasn't like any one of
Speaker 3: these calls is going to stir up like the competition
Speaker 3: committee to look at things differently. The combination of all
Speaker 3: of them, though, suggested officiating gaggle of officials who seemed completely.
Speaker 9: Out of control.
Speaker 3: There was just an air of like the game was
Speaker 3: melting down and it's like who's in charge here?
Speaker 1: And why is this taking so long?
Speaker 3: It's like none of it was so overly complex that
Speaker 3: it should have looked the way it did to us.
Speaker 9: And when you got McCauley, I thought he did a
Speaker 9: good job.
Speaker 3: He came on three or four times and forcedly said wrong,
Speaker 3: wrong call, And like, I guess for me the whole thing.
Speaker 3: They are human, but the concept of a makeup call
Speaker 3: is not how things should be done. Like it's like,
Speaker 3: if you made one mistake, you don't then allow yourselves
Speaker 3: to visibly make another right. So without telling us what's
Speaker 3: going on and just you just look, it looked like
Speaker 3: they were falling further and further from an element of control.
Speaker 2: I think that MVS no call given the stakes is
Speaker 2: one of the worst non calls I've seen period. That
Speaker 2: was one of the worst blown DEPI calls you could
Speaker 2: possibly see. And the fact that it was dead center
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, no question about it.
Speaker 5: It can't happen.
Speaker 2: And you know what I mentioned it earlier in this episode,
Speaker 2: I guess I had my eyes, Like on a typical Sunday,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have our eyes individually on about five games
Speaker 2: pretty closely almost every game I watched today, there were
Speaker 2: really bad mistakes being made by the officiating and I
Speaker 2: hate talking about this because obviously you want to focus
Speaker 2: on what Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: And the packagers are doing about look at it to it.
Speaker 2: We have to talk about it, and I know on
Speaker 2: Park Avenue that they're going to be talking about a
Speaker 2: first thing Monday morning because it's affecting the quality of
Speaker 2: the product.
Speaker 4: It's just rare that there's two calls in that spot
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes in Lamboat Sunday Night football, the biggest stage.
Speaker 4: We have a really unique entertaining game, and that you
Speaker 4: have two calls and I'm separating the Mahomes hit out
Speaker 4: of bounds in the first pass in the past interference
Speaker 4: non call as just clearly wrong.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna argue that we will see the pool reports.
Speaker 4: They might be out by the time we finished talking
Speaker 4: these ten minutes. They will have to just admit we
Speaker 4: missed those calls. They were absolutely crystal clear, and that
Speaker 4: it's pretty unique. I can't remember any game in this
Speaker 4: sort of spotlight where there's a cavalcat of calls like
Speaker 4: this all in a row.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty it was a pretty unique circumstance.
Speaker 1: The problem is they could admit after what we all
Speaker 1: see with our own eyes, I'm just guessing the night man.
Speaker 1: They try not to, but those two would be tough too.
Speaker 3: It was just the lack of I wouldn't say the
Speaker 3: words accountability, but it's just like when this happens to
Speaker 3: a team and you get totally hosed on an island
Speaker 3: game on national television in a circus of officiating.
Speaker 9: All just leaves you with is the loss.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the backers, and they deserve to lose too,
Speaker 1: by the way, Jeeves.
Speaker 5: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I just mean teams frits out, players fritz out, coaches
Speaker 1: fritz out, and sometimes to your point, I think mark
Speaker 1: officials often fritz out too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that I can't live with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's as a fan like, I want
Speaker 2: the officials to do their job and stay out of
Speaker 2: the way, and we're just never going to know, really
Speaker 2: how that game really should have turned out because the officials.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: All I mean is they were in that position where
Speaker 4: they had no timeouts, they had to drive the length
Speaker 4: of the field in one oh nine for a touchdown
Speaker 4: and a two point to tie.
Speaker 1: So they had put themselves in that position.
Speaker 2: They certainly did, and the reason they did is because, yeah,
Speaker 2: for the most part, Packers outplayed the Chiefs in this game,
Speaker 2: and you're seeing it in Matt Lafour by the way,
Speaker 2: the bearded boy himself sixteen and oh in December games. Wow,
Speaker 2: the Packers who were left for dead, I think they
Speaker 2: said on the game telecast, And it checks out because
Speaker 2: it felt that way once went forty days the season
Speaker 2: without winning a football game, and now they you can
Speaker 2: make the case that outside of the Niners, they're the
Speaker 2: hottest team in the NFC. So they're very interesting, Mark
Speaker 2: from that perspective. And the thing I'll say about Jordan
Speaker 2: Love in this one, Mark, and I'm curious what your
Speaker 2: thoughts are. It's not just the stats that look great
Speaker 2: right now, it's how confident he's playing, and how you
Speaker 2: could tell he's in control of everything he sees. And
Speaker 2: for a guy that's as young as he is, as
Speaker 2: inexperienced as he is, and as loss as it seemed
Speaker 2: to he was like a month or so ago, it's
Speaker 2: pretty remarkable to turn around.
Speaker 3: It's I think one thing that's wonderful about kind of
Speaker 3: covering the whole league versus just your team is that
Speaker 3: you start to see operations just grow up right before
Speaker 3: your eyes and it's Jordan Love and it's like the
Speaker 3: offense around him. And I thought tonight there were four
Speaker 3: or five throws, well, I can think of one to
Speaker 3: Christian Watson where it's like he is just throwing with
Speaker 3: intense like confidence and putting in like into tight windows.
Speaker 3: And there's a couple you know, there were a couple drops,
Speaker 3: but he put the ball right on the money. And
Speaker 3: I just think on top of that, like the way
Speaker 3: he's seen the field, the way he uses his legs
Speaker 3: and moments, the fact that he's pairing well in a
Speaker 3: Matt Lafleor offense, and Matt Lafleur two weeks in a row,
Speaker 3: because what Thanksgiving feels like about seven eros ago, two
Speaker 3: great Matt Lafleur coached games. I think that like this
Speaker 3: isn't working well because they're kind of all growing up together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, when they were at their nadir, I
Speaker 4: brought up how in the off season we said we're
Speaker 4: gonna learn a lot about Matt Lafleur, and I ended
Speaker 4: it with some smug little thing of like they are
Speaker 4: right now like one of the worst offenses in the league. Okay,
Speaker 4: right now, we're gonna learn a lot about Matt Lafleur
Speaker 4: this season, he has taken a young quarterback, and I
Speaker 4: think Love deserves the most credit. But I think with
Speaker 4: the weapons around him and the amount of play action
Speaker 4: he really there I hit on, you know, Russell Wilson
Speaker 4: really relying on play action for that's not necessarily a
Speaker 4: bad thing. I mean Ryan Tannel did it for years,
Speaker 4: A lot of teams do it. He is relying on
Speaker 4: play action as much as any quarterback in the league,
Speaker 4: and it is hitting guys are open. And then when
Speaker 4: he is doing that backpedal and he has to do
Speaker 4: something special like that rain Bo shot to Romeo Dobbs,
Speaker 4: which looked like a bad idea, And I don't know
Speaker 4: how it fell down in there, like there's it still was.
Speaker 4: He still got it exactly triangle in there, He got
Speaker 4: exactly where it wanted to go.
Speaker 1: And I think you're right.
Speaker 4: He's playing with such incredible confidence that when he's doing
Speaker 4: these back pedals and making these crazy throats like I'm
Speaker 4: almost surprised when he's not hitting him. These are all
Speaker 4: like chunk plays too, so like rookies Malik Heath and
Speaker 4: is that even a person Dontavian Wicks and just all
Speaker 4: these guys like fifteen to twenty five yard chunk plays.
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. And it's gotten this bad for the
Speaker 1: Chiefs with their offense. If Patrick Mahomes is not handing
Speaker 1: the ball off, for getting the hand the ball in
Speaker 1: the hands of Jaco who's a very good running back,
Speaker 1: or getting it to Travis Kelce who's not you know,
Speaker 1: dominating at the same clip as past years, or Rashi Rice,
Speaker 1: who's a consistent guy for them.
Speaker 5: Now it's bad news.
Speaker 1: But limited consistently good, but limited.
Speaker 5: Within the realm.
Speaker 2: Like today he had eight for sixty four on nine targets,
Speaker 2: Like at least he's a guy that he's not a
Speaker 2: liability everyone else that he's trying to get involved, whether
Speaker 2: it's mvs who yes, got jobbed, but let's face it
Speaker 2: probably would have dropped it anyway, Richie James Clyde, Edwards,
Speaker 2: Lair sky Moore that route he ran on the Mahomes interception.
Speaker 2: I mean you just like, who do you trust Caadarius Tony,
Speaker 2: who's like not even on the roster anymore at this point.
Speaker 2: They they have work to do in the offseason to
Speaker 2: fix it. And again, like every time you think maybe
Speaker 2: they're coming out of it. There's another one of these
Speaker 2: games that tell you no, there's just there's just a
Speaker 2: limit to this offense.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of a stunning subplot of this season.
Speaker 3: They're really frustrating when they get into certain situations where
Speaker 3: in the past you could simply trust or you'd be
Speaker 3: a fool not to trust Mahomes to bail you out
Speaker 3: and to have some targets that would help you too.
Speaker 3: But it's like we're running out of time here. I
Speaker 3: like with the chiefs'll just we'll see where we are
Speaker 3: on the playoffs. But you asked if they were mighty still,
Speaker 3: and I think it's a fair question because you can't
Speaker 3: just rely on Andy Reid, the mind of Andy Reid
Speaker 3: and the brilliance of Patrick Mahomes to rescue an offense
Speaker 3: that it's missing pieces and has been all year.
Speaker 4: So they finished the game so ugly, and that's what
Speaker 4: we remember three and out than the interception, which was
Speaker 4: going to be a tough pass, but more really did
Speaker 4: a terrible.
Speaker 5: Job and it wasn't even greater.
Speaker 4: And agree, yeah, he killed them by changing by slowing
Speaker 4: down on the route, and Keishak Nixon made a really
Speaker 4: nice interception too, that you don't see guys make a
Speaker 4: nice play like that, and then the way that game ended,
Speaker 4: I should know that. I mean, each of these teams
Speaker 4: only had seven drives. That is an exceptionally low number
Speaker 4: for both teams to have in an NFL game. So
Speaker 4: to me, this was sort of like an old Chiefs
Speaker 4: game where it was like, oh man, our defense thinks tonight,
Speaker 4: we need Patrick Mahomes to answer every single drive. We
Speaker 4: just haven't seen the Chiefs defense give up points like that.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven points and seven drives is terrible. The Chiefs
Speaker 4: even nineteen points and seven drives is pretty great. That
Speaker 4: points per drive, that would just barely like lead the
Speaker 4: league in points per drive, nineteen points and seven drives.
Speaker 4: Like it just was so limited here, but the Packers
Speaker 4: were scoring almost every single time. And the Chiefs, you know,
Speaker 4: are is there defense going to stay out this level
Speaker 4: the whole season outstanding?
Speaker 1: We've seen a little leakage lately.
Speaker 4: They've had some injuries at linebacker, Nick Bolton and Drew
Speaker 4: Treankoler out, so that that's part of it.
Speaker 1: Brian Cook got carted out of this game.
Speaker 4: They're starting safety, so that side of the ball might
Speaker 4: be creating a little issue too.
Speaker 2: Here's the final stat Okay, it's from Tony Holzman Escarano.
Speaker 2: He is the NFL idiot, senior researcher Kansas City, and
Speaker 2: I know points per drive.
Speaker 5: I understand it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying they were pretty they were Okay tonight they
Speaker 1: were pretty good. I know it doesn't feel that way anywhere.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs have scored fewer than twenty points in six
Speaker 2: games this season. The Chiefs had six such games and
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes's first five seasons as a starter combined.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it looks that way.
Speaker 4: Eight in that fourth loss is big. They're now behind
Speaker 4: three teams in.
Speaker 1: The AFC who have three losses Ravens, Jags we'll see
Speaker 1: on Monday night, and and the Dolphins and the Packers.
Speaker 1: Here at six and six.
Speaker 4: You look at their schedule and all the projection models
Speaker 4: now have the Packers business as the favorite, as like
Speaker 4: a decent size over fifty percent chance to make the play.
Speaker 3: You even think ru will be potentially in three weeks
Speaker 3: they're six and six. They play the Giants, the Bucks
Speaker 3: and the Panthers before finishing with the Vikings, and anything less.
Speaker 2: Than two dubs there is the disaster. All right, the
Speaker 2: disaster this NFC, they'll be fine matter they could probably
Speaker 2: all right. Uh, Tomorrow, Monday, we got a doubleheader, we
Speaker 2: got the NFL plus Game of the Week. We'll be
Speaker 2: breaking down the niners dominant effort against the Eagles, and
Speaker 2: then Monday night football and news recap. I'm sure there
Speaker 2: will be maybe some follow up to everything we just
Speaker 2: talked about here coming out of Lamba.
Speaker 5: Until then, you know what you got to do.
Speaker 8: He the call.