WEBVTT - Fighting Back Against Extremism 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.800 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.479 Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:25.520 it has been now several days since Special Counsel Jack 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:31.640 Smith has indicted for twice impeached libel for sexual assault 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:36.760 and defamation disgraced former President of the United States Donald 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:43.080 Trump on thirty seven felony counts. Now, one would think, right, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.880 call me crazy, but one would think that there would 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:52.760 be a line, right that at some point Donald Trump 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.880 would cross in order to have Republicans be like, hmm, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.920 maybe he's not the best candidate for our party. Maybe 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:07.440 he's not the best representative of our values. Maybe maybe 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.160 we should look someplace else. Well, if you thought that, 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.640 you would be one hundred and fifty five percent fucking wrong, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.319 because what we saw over the weekend and at the 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.440 beginning of this week, as you guys will listen to 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.560 this today, Donald Trump will be arraigned by three pm 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:31.000 Eastern in Miami. And you know what is wild to 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:36.400 me are the ways that I watch Jim Jordan fucking 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:42.360 Lindsey Graham. You had Andy Biggs tweet out talking about 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.120 this is war and an eye for an eye and 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.240 then he had to backtrack on that fucking violent threat 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:52.200 that he sent out via Twitter. You had Jim Jordan 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:57.680 on CNN talking some crazy hot trash to Dana Bash, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.480 who was just like, so you think as they're showing 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.800 the pictures of Trump's tackyass bathroom and all of the 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.280 documents that were in there, all the boxes and stuff 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.120 grown on the floor and on the stage and in 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.679 all the pictures now that are infamous, do you think 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.600 that this is secure? Do you think that this is okay? 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.000 And Jim Jordan's response is like, well, he was the 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.160 president of the United States. He can do whatever the 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.880 fuck he wants. And I just gotta say, folks, like 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.000 if only Donald Trump wore a tan suit, maybe that 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.400 would be crossing a line, you know, Like, I just 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:39.960 don't know how these people still bring up Hillary Clinton's 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.960 fucking emails that were investigated for a year and guess 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.520 what they found, not a fucking thing. And they seem 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:53.720 to forget that Donald Trump was president for four fucking years, right, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:03:01.160 he had his hand picked attorney generals that could have 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.480 right opened up investigations did in fact open up investigations 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.840 into his political opponents for no other reason. Than the 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.280 fact that they were his political opponents, and do you 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.919 know what they came up with, Not a fucking thing 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:24.160 that would stand for a grand jury's indictment. So you know, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.680 I'm not saying, look, don't defend your boy. That's your boy. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.160 That's the fucking you know, Titanic. You wanna sail on 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.400 by all means. But the way that they are attacking 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:43.520 Jack Smith, attacking Merrit Garland, attacking Joe Biden, attacking our 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:49.400 judicial system is just absolutely bananas. But of course, instead 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:54.920 of instead of cable news really digging into that fact 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.880 and just how fucking unprecedented all of this is, they 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.480 got camera and fucking drone footage of Donald Trump on 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:08.080 a highway, Donald Trump on a tarmac, just giving the man, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.400 once again wall to wall coverage because we don't know 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:16.359 how one gets from their home to the airport, We 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.800 don't know what happens when the plane takes off. We 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.200 gotta watch it take off, and we gotta watch it 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:28.719 fucking land. It's absurd. It is absurd that this media 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.840 has learned absolutely nothing. And people will say like, it's 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.719 you know, it's money, Donald Trump is ratings, and I'm 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.600 just like, not really because people are tuning out and 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.200 turning it off, right like, until there is something of 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:52.880 substance to actually offer. But you know, Lindsey Graham saying that, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.200 you know, yeah, you know, Donald Trump may have done 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.440 some things, you know that we're wrong, but he's not spy. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.160 Well guess what, Lindsay Graham. Nobody said that he was 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.359 a spy. What the indictment clearly reads, though, is that 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.400 he violated the Espionage Act. What the indictment, forty nine 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.520 page indictment clearly says is that he obstructed justice, right 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:19.200 that he continually lied that this wasn't just a packing incident. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.120 This was moving boxes around so that his lawyers wouldn't 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.360 find out and wouldn't give them over to the National 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:32.560 Archives or to the FBI. So again, Donald Trump wouldn't 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:37.479 have been indicted if, when asked multiple fucking times over 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:42.359 to return said boxes, if he just said, okay, here 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.440 they are, come and get them. Much in the same 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.280 way that classified material was found at for or Vice 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.200 President Mike Pence's house, that classified material was found at 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:59.200 Joe Biden's house. Did any of those two say, oh, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.960 these are documents and you can't have them. Were any 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.560 of them caught on audio saying, oh look, look you 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.159 it's all secret stuff. You can't really see it. I 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.120 couldn't declassified it, but I can't classify it now. Like 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.920 I tell you, it's like Donald Trump is work. Like 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.520 I don't even want to make light of the stupidity 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.680 by comparing it to Scooby Doo, by comparing it to like, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.080 you know, some sitcom or show, but it is. It's like, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.400 it's wild. It's wild as fuck where we are as 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.159 a country. It is wild to me that you have 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.960 sitting members of Congress that are calling for people to 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.440 take up arms. It is wild to me that there 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.120 is no line that Donald Trump can cross, There is 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.120 no low that he can take them to where they 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.920 won't continue to defend this man, even if they look 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.640 like absolute fucking fools. It is, you know, it's insane. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.679 So you know, this case, it's going to be heard 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.719 before Judge Aileen Cannon. And if her name sounds familiar, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:10.200 it's because she was the one that initially tried to 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:16.920 slow the document's case. She did not want the Department 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.920 of Justice to be able to actually look through said documents, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.400 and then her decisions that she made in the initial 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:30.240 quote unquote raid intomorrow Lago was overturned by a conservative 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.840 three panel eleventh District Court circuit overturned her decision. And 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:40.600 not only, folks, not only did they overturn it. But 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.200 the funny thing is, and not funny ha ha, is 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:50.840 that they basically said that she's ridiculous, right like, they 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:59.760 basically said that she quote, her decision was clearly violating 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:06.040 the law. They said this, and this is according to 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:11.800 a Slate article that was written. That much maligned decision 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.600 right was later reversed by a three judge panel of 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.760 this US Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, consisting 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:24.000 of three conservative judges, two Trump appointees, and a George W. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.840 Bush appointed judge, Judge William Pryor. They wrote that her 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.480 decision violated quote clear law and that her approach quote 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.120 would be a radical reordering of our case law, limiting 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.840 the federal court's involvement in criminal investigations. They also went 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:50.840 on to say and quote violate bedrock separation of power limitations. Now, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.880 they go on to write in this Slate article now 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.760 that the same investigation has resulted in an indictment against Trump. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:04.040 Judge Pannon's prior fundamentally erroneous approach casts a shadow over 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.839 the proceedings and what they are arguing. What is being 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.240 argued in this piece that is up now at slate 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.240 dot com is that she must recuse herself right, that 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:21.560 there is no way that this woman, who her own 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:27.760 colleagues who were appointed by Trump and Bush, so these 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:33.240 are not Obama or Clinton federal judges, say basically, bitch 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.200 what you're doing. Do you actually know the law? And 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.640 remind you that this is a judge that was pushed 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.880 through by Mitch McConnell and Trump after he lost the election, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.960 so you know, knowing all of this, there is no 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:57.520 way in hell that this judge, Aileen Cannon, is going 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.240 to be impartial. There is no way that she is 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:06.199 going to allow the rule of law right to dictate 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:12.240 her decisions, because she made it clear even the retrieval 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.000 of the document she was trying a slow roll and 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.720 ordered a special master where one was not needed to 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.240 look at the contents of this. So it is clear 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.319 that she is a Trump lackeye and needs to recuse 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:32.400 herself and that the DOJ should take the very necessary 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:38.559 step right of getting her removed because there is absolute 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.960 precedent of this, and I just want to read you 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:46.040 this last part from slate. Federal law has a way 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.440 to deal with this challenge. Under twenty eight USC. Section 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.320 four five to five A, a judge shall disqualify himself or 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.920 herself in any proceeding in which his or her impartiality 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:06.760 might reasonably be questioned. Judge Cannon's situation clearly fits the test, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.840 and she is obligated to recuse herself in Trump's case. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.760 So we will see how this plays out and whether 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.880 or not the DOJ takes the step to even you know, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.320 to put her in the hot seat and let her 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.720 show us that she isn't a lackey. So, folks, it 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.640 is going to be a busy, busy week. We will 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:37.959 keep our eyes on everything. Coming up next my conversation, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.840 which is a deep conversation folks with Sarah Moore, who 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:48.679 is affiliated with ADL and GLAD to talk about the 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:57.080 rise in anti LGBTQ plus extremism. Folks, I am very 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.839 happy to be joined on wok F daily by Sarah Moore, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:07.840 who is an anti LGBTQ plus extremism analyst for both 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:12.160 the ADL the Anti Defamation League and works with Glad 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.760 double a Glad as well, Sarah. I want to start 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.800 off one because you must get a lot of questions 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:24.920 about your job title and exactly what it is that 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.640 you are analyzing and covering. But I want to jump 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:35.600 right in because we are seeing both arise in attacks 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.240 against the lgbt Q community, both violent and through online 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.760 kind of attacks, and we're also seeing a set of 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:49.520 policy measures that are couched in extremism, that are that 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.880 are being essentially the rhetoric is fueling the policies that 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.200 are then trying to erase right and vilify and oppress 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.360 the community. And so I want you to if you 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.880 can part and parcel for us the difference between anti 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:15.120 LGBTQ plus hate versus LGBTQ plus extremism, and if like, 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.959 what is the nuance and the needle we're trying to 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:18.520 thread there? 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.920 Sure, So first just want to say thank you so 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.880 much for having me on, Danielle. Very excited to be 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.960 talking with you today. So, as you mentioned, I work 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.400 with with both ADL and GLAD, and so one of 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.599 the ways that we define anti LGBTQ plus extremism in 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.320 ADL is we're talking specifically about this form of single 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:42.000 issue extremism whose adherents are focused on demonizing, attacking, or 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.800 otherwise targeting either the individuals, the communities, or the institutions 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.920 that fall under this LGBTQ plus umbrella or that they 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.000 perceive to fall under that umbrella. Right, So, sometimes folks 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.120 are passing as are presenting as queer, even if that's 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.319 maybe not how they identified and or a targeted because 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.679 of that clue, kind of that nuance into the definition 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.079 as well. And then we have this like much broader 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.400 bucket of ANTIOLOGBTQ plus hate. And so I think of 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.560 this form of extremism as just a subset of that 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.120 broader form of hate. But when we're looking at ANTILOGBTQ 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.960 plus hate, we aren't always seeing this same ideological commitment 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.760 in the same way that we do with extremism. So 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.760 a lot of times the folks that are dabbling in 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.040 this form of hate are also following into you know, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.000 other types of hate as well. You know, maybe they 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.560 are on the anti critical race theory train, or maybe 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.120 they are involved in like mass mandate protests or anti 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.400 vax protests, and so, you know, they oftentimes have a 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.800 lot of other issues that they care about and aren't 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.920 really committed to this form of extremism in the same way, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.240 or maybe you know, they have some hateful beliefs but 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.440 it's not a core part of their daily activities, or 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.560 you know, something that they're trying to act out in 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.320 real life. So, you know, there's a lot of different 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.640 ways that antology to kep us hate can manifest, but 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.000 we are also specifically looking at the ways that this 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.160 turns into extremes them as well. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.040 You know, there was a time not too long ago 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:18.440 when we were all applauding the Obama White House turning rainbow, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.560 where we were all applauding the passage of same sex 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:28.119 marriage across this country, where we were applauding those states 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.760 that were getting rid of really draconian sodomy laws that 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.600 were still on the books. And now, Sarah, we are 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.320 at a place where we are holding on for dear 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:44.960 life to the rights that have been so hard thought 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.240 over the last several decades. And so how do you 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:54.440 kind of wrap your mind around what feels like for 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.560 me at least, who is spent the last you know, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.080 ten to fifteen years of my career working on the 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:08.920 front lines of LGBTQ equality. And justice and watching that 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.640 fifty in just my little section right that time frame 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.880 now kind of descend into chaos where we're holding on 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.680 by our fingernails, Like, how do you make sense of 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:27.800 the erosion in acceptance that Republicans and their kind of 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.880 campaign of hate against the community has been able to do. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.120 Yeah, So I think it's kind of the million dollar question, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.680 you know, how did we get to this particular moment 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.440 in time. You know, the first thing I'll say is 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.640 that anti LGBTQ plus hate is not new, right, This 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.160 is decades old, a century's old phenomena, and it's taken 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.800 many manifestations, and it's been more prominent in the societal 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.880 discourse at different eras. So you know a lot of 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.000 today's conversation, for instance, around this rhetoric around grooming actually 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.640 has direct parallel back to campaigns in the nineteen eighties 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.640 like anant Saved the Children campaign and all the same 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.879 tropes that we saw back then. So we know that 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.320 there are different resurgences of anti LGBTQ plus hate and 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.560 extremists them at different periods of time. And I think 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.639 this particular moment in time, and we've seen the ways 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.320 in which some of these extremist narratives. For instance, this 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.160 one around grooming that I just referenced with the Nida 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.040 Bryant campaign, you know, that really picked up in popularity 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.359 in conversation around don't say gay back in twenty twenty 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.240 one because we actually started having mainstream politicians labeling their 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:39.640 bills anti grooming bills, or you know, following up on 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.160 some trends and some of these tropes that only extremists 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.639 had previously been talking about. So we've seen that, you know, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.040 this stuff has always existed on the fringes, but now 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.320 as folks are kind of turning their attention to this 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.320 more from the mainstream side, it's getting picked up and 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.000 replayed in popular discourse. We've also seen that happen too 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.840 with you know, other positions that the fire right has 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.240 often taken, so I referenced before, like the anti COVID measures, 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.959 some of the anti CRT measures, those have kind of 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.199 lost traction as they've now switched this focus into the 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:18.440 anti LGBTQ plus space, and so some of it is opportunistic, right, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.679 just making sure that they're keeping up like that extremes, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.920 they're keeping up with the popular talking points of the day. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.159 For recruitment purposes, but it also, you know, belies this 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.440 underlying hate that's always been there and has just kind 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.200 of become the popular moment at this point in time. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.239 You know, I think that one of the things that 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.200 troubles me the most is some stats. And you tell 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.280 me if I'm if I'm right or not. But some 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.360 of the stats that I'm seeing are that there are 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.800 about a million trans people in the country, a country 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:53.080 of you know, three hundred and thirty million people. They're 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.400 about a million trans people or gender nonconforming folks that 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.960 exist in the country. And there is an entire campaign, 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:08.240 an entire apparatus, an entire war being waged on a 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.760 minority of a minority right, And so how do we 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:22.200 articulate to the public through mainstream media? The fact is 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.800 that this monster, this quote unquote boogeyman that's being created 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.880 by the right is targeting a minority of a minority 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:37.000 of people that at least seventy percent of the country 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.480 has actually never come face to face or know somebody 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.200 that identifies as trans. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.120 Yeah, Danielle, it's you know, you're hitting on a really 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.919 important topic in that this this particular piece of this 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.600 transphobia argument that's being you know, such a big part 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.520 of the ANTILOGBTQ plus discourse. That's exactly what's being used 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.200 right now as this wedge issue. Right. So, like as 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.280 you discussed, we have seen increased acceptance for LGBTQ plus rights, 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.680 and so a lot of times the veneer that some 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.000 of these bigots or extremists will put on is saying like, well, 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.560 I don't you know, I do support gay marriage, but 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.840 I just don't support you know, these trans people right 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.159 or or the rights that they have to healthcare. And 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.880 so they're using it as this kind of wedge issue 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.639 to try to break folks away and break apart the 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.240 LGBTQ plus community. We've unfortunately already seen that with some 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.119 groups that actually themselves identify as gay and are going 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.879 after trans or intersex or asexual people and saying, you know, 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.440 we don't want you as part of the community because 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.280 they think that, you know, that will allow them to 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.560 hold on to the rights that we've worked so hard 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.040 to achieve, or you know, maybe they don't see and 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.320 you know, which is baffling to me, they don't see 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.399 the humanity in you know, our fellow trans folks. And 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.560 in intersex folks and asexual folks in our community, you know, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.040 when we're all part of the same struggle. And and 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.240 as you pointed out, like all of our rights are 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.120 on the line here, it's not just trans rights. It's 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.480 an issue facing all LGBTQ plus people right now. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.480 I think that that's why the trans community has always 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.920 been a target. I can remember working on Capitol Hill 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.720 back in the one hundred and thirteen Congress, so this 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.000 is quite a while ago, and at that time, Barney 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.280 Frank was still on the Hill. He was the sole 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:31.800 LGBTQ person on the Hill representative out of Massachusetts, and 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.840 you know, and there was conversation about this, you know, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:40.960 this this bill that was coming forth about equity and 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:48.840 inclusion and including lesbian, gay, and bisexual lgb people in 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:56.320 protections right civil rights protections. And I remember being in 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:00.320 offices where they said, we'll come back for the t 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:06.760 like it's too hard for people even within the LGBTQ 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:11.879 plus community to quote unquote understand, so we'll come back 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.800 for those folks. And so, you know, you say that 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:19.320 to me, and it's so triggering because I thought we 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.679 had moved to a place where we had moved past that, right, Like, 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:27.640 you know, when that bill was introduced, it was only LGBT, right, 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.040 we weren't at the Q and the I and the 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:34.200 A and the plus part of the acronym. And so 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:39.840 to hear that there are queer groups, gay groups that 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:46.359 would be willing to sacrifice this marginalized targeted group in 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.720 order to hold on to what they have, how do 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.080 you even work with that? Like, how do we you 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.880 know what I'm saying, Like, we're trying to convince cis 0:22:56.119 --> 0:23:00.200 straight people right to be our partners and ally and 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.280 be vocal, and yet we're still having this kind of 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.840 discourse inside of the community, right. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.119 It's it's baffling to me. And I think that that 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:15.199 just underscores the importance of you know, when we say equality, 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.919 we have to mean equality for all. We cannot be 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.439 leaving folks behind in this conversation. I mean to me, 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.399 it brings back parallels to like even the beginnings of 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.359 let's say the suffragette movement movement, right, and the ways 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.800 in which white women at the time we're willing to 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:33.119 leave out are the women of color in the communities 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.960 and saying, you know, I'm going to try to take 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:37.960 this for me right now, and you can have it 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:39.679 at some point in time, but it's not going to 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.840 be right now. And so I think we really need 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.360 to remember these historical parallels and the ways in which 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.280 we've left folks behind and make sure that we're not 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.400 doing that in this current moment, because again, it's all 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.479 of our rights on the line right now. You know, 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:54.760 these folks aren't just going to stop when they've banned 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:58.480 trans healthcare. We're they're also you know, pushing for provoking 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.840 you know, same sex marriage. They're also pushing for you know, 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.240 we're moving like LGBTQ plus curricula in schools, and so 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.359 these are things that affect all LGBTQ plus persons and 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:13.000 frankly all persons, right And so because of that, you know, 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.320 and not to mention the fact that you know, our 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.240 trans brothers and sisters like they're humans too, why would 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:19.160 we not want to fight for there? 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:19.440 Yep. 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.120 So that's just a little bit of VI tangent there, 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:25.639 and I think that kind of hits them, what you're 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.560 talking about, you know. 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.119 So when we look just like across the country over 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.920 and let's just take the beginning of the Trump years 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.040 to now, because this is when we've seen a real 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:45.199 escalation in violence towards marginalized communities, whether that be anti 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:50.280 Asian hate, whether it is unarmed black people being killed 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.080 in the streets, on playgrounds, in stores, at churches, whether 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.840 it be you know, the queer community, and also the 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:05.320 Jewish community, which is always also a target. How do 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:09.720 we like, how do we connect or what? What? What 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.960 do you like? Is there a connection to be made 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.480 so that each group is not fighting on their own 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.520 against the same perpetrator, do you know what? I like? 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:25.320 The people that are harassing and harming Asian people are 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:29.119 the same people that are targeting trans children. Are the 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.760 same people that say black lives don't matter. Are the 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:37.800 same people that are voting against bodily autonomy and abortion rights. 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.600 You know, So it's like, how do you work to 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:46.160 make the connection you know in this space? 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.959 Yeah, it's a great question. So my particular role is 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:55.439 actually a result of folks having that same conversation. I 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.679 work for both ADL and GLAD. ADL is a Jewish 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.680 organization and GLAD is an LGBTQ plus organization, and I'm 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.560 part of a new program that we're launching that they're 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.320 calling kind of the embed program, which means that they're 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:13.800 taking researchers from organizations that serve different constituencies and putting 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.440 them inside ADL Center on Extremism so that we can 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.280 all sit together and work on the same issue, because, 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.719 as you're pointing out, we're all fighting the same people, 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.359 you know, the same groups that are going to be 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.360 anti Semitic, that are going to be racists, that are 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.320 going to be against the Asian community, are also coming. 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:30.640 For the LGBTQ plus company. 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.440 And so that's really what we're working on as part 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.760 of this partnership, and we're actually expanding and bringing in 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.680 folks that are going to look at some of these 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:41.120 other areas as well that have been kind of underrepresented 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.200 in some of the work that we've been doing so far, 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.320 and making sure that we're serving those communities and as 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:47.879 you're saying, you know, and making sure that we're all 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:48.680