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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: it has been now several days since Special Counsel Jack

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Speaker 1: and defamation disgraced former President of the United States Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump on thirty seven felony counts. Now, one would think, right,

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Speaker 1: call me crazy, but one would think that there would

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Speaker 1: be a line, right that at some point Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: would cross in order to have Republicans be like, hmm,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's not the best candidate for our party. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he's not the best representative of our values. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: we should look someplace else. Well, if you thought that,

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Speaker 1: you would be one hundred and fifty five percent fucking wrong,

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Speaker 1: because what we saw over the weekend and at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of this week, as you guys will listen to

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Speaker 1: this today, Donald Trump will be arraigned by three pm

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Speaker 1: Eastern in Miami. And you know what is wild to

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Speaker 1: me are the ways that I watch Jim Jordan fucking

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham. You had Andy Biggs tweet out talking about

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Speaker 1: then he had to backtrack on that fucking violent threat

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Speaker 1: that he sent out via Twitter. You had Jim Jordan

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Speaker 1: who was just like, so you think as they're showing

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Speaker 1: the pictures of Trump's tackyass bathroom and all of the

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Speaker 1: documents that were in there, all the boxes and stuff

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Speaker 1: all the pictures now that are infamous, do you think

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Speaker 1: that this is secure? Do you think that this is okay?

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Speaker 1: And Jim Jordan's response is like, well, he was the

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Speaker 1: president of the United States. He can do whatever the

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Speaker 1: fuck he wants. And I just gotta say, folks, like

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Speaker 1: if only Donald Trump wore a tan suit, maybe that

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Speaker 1: would be crossing a line, you know, Like, I just

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Speaker 1: don't know how these people still bring up Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: fucking emails that were investigated for a year and guess

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Speaker 1: what they found, not a fucking thing. And they seem

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Speaker 1: to forget that Donald Trump was president for four fucking years, right,

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Speaker 1: he had his hand picked attorney generals that could have

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Speaker 1: right opened up investigations did in fact open up investigations

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Speaker 1: into his political opponents for no other reason. Than the

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Speaker 1: fact that they were his political opponents, and do you

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Speaker 1: that would stand for a grand jury's indictment. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, look, don't defend your boy. That's your boy.

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Speaker 1: That's the fucking you know, Titanic. You wanna sail on

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Speaker 1: by all means. But the way that they are attacking

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith, attacking Merrit Garland, attacking Joe Biden, attacking our

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Speaker 1: judicial system is just absolutely bananas. But of course, instead

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Speaker 1: of instead of cable news really digging into that fact

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Speaker 1: and just how fucking unprecedented all of this is, they

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Speaker 1: got camera and fucking drone footage of Donald Trump on

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Speaker 1: a highway, Donald Trump on a tarmac, just giving the man,

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Speaker 1: once again wall to wall coverage because we don't know

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Speaker 1: how one gets from their home to the airport, We

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Speaker 1: fucking land. It's absurd. It is absurd that this media

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Speaker 1: has learned absolutely nothing. And people will say like, it's

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Speaker 1: just like, not really because people are tuning out and

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Speaker 1: substance to actually offer. But you know, Lindsey Graham saying that,

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Speaker 1: Well guess what, Lindsay Graham. Nobody said that he was

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Speaker 1: a spy. What the indictment clearly reads, though, is that

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Speaker 1: he violated the Espionage Act. What the indictment, forty nine

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Speaker 1: page indictment clearly says is that he obstructed justice, right

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Speaker 1: that he continually lied that this wasn't just a packing incident.

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Speaker 1: This was moving boxes around so that his lawyers wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Archives or to the FBI. So again, Donald Trump wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been indicted if, when asked multiple fucking times over

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Speaker 1: to return said boxes, if he just said, okay, here

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Speaker 1: they are, come and get them. Much in the same

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Speaker 1: way that classified material was found at for or Vice

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's house. Did any of those two say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I tell you, it's like Donald Trump is work. Like

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to make light of the stupidity

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Speaker 1: is no line that Donald Trump can cross, There is

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Speaker 1: no low that he can take them to where they

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Speaker 1: like absolute fucking fools. It is, you know, it's insane.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this case, it's going to be heard

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Speaker 1: before Judge Aileen Cannon. And if her name sounds familiar,

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Speaker 1: it's because she was the one that initially tried to

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Speaker 1: of Justice to be able to actually look through said documents,

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Speaker 1: and then her decisions that she made in the initial

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Speaker 1: three panel eleventh District Court circuit overturned her decision. And

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Speaker 1: not only, folks, not only did they overturn it. But

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Speaker 1: the funny thing is, and not funny ha ha, is

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Speaker 1: that they basically said that she's ridiculous, right like, they

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Speaker 1: basically said that she quote, her decision was clearly violating

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Speaker 1: this US Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, consisting

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Speaker 1: Bush appointed judge, Judge William Pryor. They wrote that her

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Speaker 1: the federal court's involvement in criminal investigations. They also went

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Speaker 1: on to say and quote violate bedrock separation of power limitations. Now,

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Speaker 1: Judge Pannon's prior fundamentally erroneous approach casts a shadow over

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Speaker 1: there is no way that this woman, who her own

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Speaker 1: is going to be a busy, busy week. We will

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Speaker 1: keep our eyes on everything. Coming up next my conversation,

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Speaker 1: which is a deep conversation folks with Sarah Moore, who

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Speaker 1: who is an anti LGBTQ plus extremism analyst for both

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Speaker 2: Sure, So first just want to say thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me on, Danielle. Very excited to be

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Speaker 2: talking with you today. So, as you mentioned, I work

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Speaker 2: real life. So, you know, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a time not too long ago

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Speaker 1: I think that that's why the trans community has always

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Speaker 2: And so that's really what we're working on as part

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Speaker 2: these folks aren't in the dark about what we all

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Speaker 1: Sarah, last question for you, what are what are the

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Speaker 1: things you know that people listening who feel really scared,

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Speaker 1: who feel this sense of hopelessness at all of these

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Speaker 1: attacks that they're reading in the headlines that they're seeing

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Speaker 1: order to be helpful to the work that ADL is doing,

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Speaker 1: the work that GLAD doing. How can this both look

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Speaker 1: like national aid in some type of way but be

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Speaker 1: localized as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have a ton of different ways that

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Speaker 2: do come up and your communities. So we will actually

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Speaker 2: be launching a report in a couple of weeks that's

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Speaker 2: tracking incidents of ANTIOLOGBTQ plus hate and extremism in the

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Speaker 2: US for the last eleven months, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: the ways that we collect these incidents are through reports

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Speaker 2: on ADL's reporting mechanism online, which connects folks with our

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Speaker 2: with the issues that we recognize in reporting to law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: So this can sometimes be an alternative for folks who

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Speaker 2: maybe don't need that emergent help, but you know, want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that somebody out there is aware of

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Speaker 2: what they're experiencing. We also at ADL and Glass have

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Speaker 2: Digital Safety Guide, So folks who are looking to better

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Speaker 2: really practical steps on things that they can do to

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Speaker 2: folks can use to report hate to platforms. It's not

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Speaker 2: to say that the platforms are always going to listen,

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Speaker 2: we are reporting this hate and that it is an issue,

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Speaker 2: and then we can put extra pressure on them to

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Speaker 2: make those changes online and then kind of at the

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Speaker 2: national level, you know, in at the state level too,

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Speaker 2: we really do need folks to stand out. Is to

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Speaker 2: stand up against the anti LGBTQ plus legislation that we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: I need to call in their lawmakers to stand strong

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Speaker 2: in the face of the community, in the face of

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Speaker 2: the hate that's being average against the community right now.

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Speaker 2: And we are supporting some bills that are are really

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Speaker 2: helpful as well. So one that we're looking right now

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Speaker 2: is FEMA's Nonprofit Security Grant program, which offers aid to

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Speaker 1: Okay, one this hate.

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Speaker 2: So we're supporting bills like that to be able to

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Speaker 2: they're currently operating in. So that was a lot, but

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Speaker 2: hopefully that gives kind of a range of things that

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Speaker 1: No, I really appreciate it because I know that people

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Speaker 1: and will make sure also to like put those details

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Speaker 1: and the links to the respective organizations in our show

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Speaker 1: notes so that people can easily access the reports and

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Speaker 1: can support the work that is happening at ADL and Glad. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join

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Speaker 1: WOKP and thank you very much for the work that

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Speaker 1: you are doing. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure to

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Speaker 2: be on the show. And I just want to end

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Speaker 2: to with saying, you know, thank you for highlighting queer

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Speaker 2: joy this month. I know that with my stuff that

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Speaker 2: I work on, you know, it's it's oftentimes the opposite

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Speaker 2: of that. Yeah, it's so important to have the joyous

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Speaker 2: and beautiful and diverse community is. So I think that

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Speaker 2: that's really amazing and it was a pleasure to be on.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you. That is it for me today, dear

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Speaker 1: friends on WOKP. As always, power to the people and

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Speaker 1: to all the people, Power, get woke and stay woke

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Speaker 1: as fuck,