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Speaker 1: thirteen of the NFL season. They twenty in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am to twenty men, and I welcome in John Neo,

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Speaker 1: columnists for the Detroit News. This is the three key

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Speaker 1: segment and John, this Lions team just keeps on rolling.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. I mean, Week thirteen sounds crazy

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Speaker 2: as it is, but yeah, no, to have a team

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Speaker 2: ten and one, first time since nineteen. We keep doing that.

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Speaker 2: But there's a reason why we keep doing it because

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Speaker 2: this is rare air that they're in and they don't

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Speaker 2: show any signs of slowing down.

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Speaker 1: Before we start. I don't know if a lot of

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Speaker 1: people know this about me and you.

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Speaker 2: That's right, is that we've seen some things.

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Speaker 1: We have seen some things. So you know, I was

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Speaker 1: covering high school sports and kind of a general assignment

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Speaker 1: guy before I was assigned to the Detroit Lions beat

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. Well, John Neo just had

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Speaker 1: to be the I was eat writer. He was the

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Speaker 1: number one guy and I was the number two. And

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Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that that first season

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Speaker 1: I did learn a lot in.

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Speaker 2: That, and I shouldn't that I took over from the

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Speaker 2: great Michael here the year before. Yes, Mike took a

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Speaker 2: buyout at the News in two thousand after two thousand

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Speaker 2: and seven, So I took over in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 2: as Mike will do, dubbed me John three sixteen all

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Speaker 2: sorts of anyway. No, yes, it was a learning experience

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Speaker 2: for me and then for you as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I appreciated that first year you went on,

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Speaker 1: you were you were calumnist, You're promoted a columnist the

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Speaker 1: following year. I was took this job a year and

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Speaker 1: a half later, and all these years later, here we are,

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Speaker 2: And here the lions are. That's the I mean, to

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Speaker 2: be honest. That is the part that you know, for

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Speaker 2: reference points, you just you always go back to some

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Speaker 2: of those times, you know, yeah, this isn't the way

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Speaker 2: there was a before, and the before looked nothing like this.

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Speaker 2: This is fun, though, Yeah's absolutely come. That's why these

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Speaker 2: fans are twenty thousand, thirty thousand on the road. I

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Speaker 2: mean they are They've been waiting generations to experience something

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Speaker 1: Well, they hope to keep it rolling and to do that.

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Speaker 1: There's some keys to Sunday's game. Let's get into it

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Speaker 1: into a few of them. I think first off is

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Speaker 1: you've got another young quarterback coming in in Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: who is playing much better ball. They made a switch

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Speaker 1: last week. But to me, I think it's important for

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Speaker 1: this Lion's defense to do to Caleb Williams what they

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Speaker 2: No, the pressure Now, the Colts obviously were playing a

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams has done a good job of not throwing

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Speaker 1: In Thursday's game, in this Detroit Lions defense, they rushed

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Speaker 2: And those two guys DJ Reader and Lee McNeil had

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Speaker 1: So do the same thing they did to Anthony Richard,

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Speaker 2: Look he's got weapons. He's got some good weapons on offense,

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Speaker 1: And one thing I just watching some of the film

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Speaker 2: No, it is, No, it isn't. Look they were for

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Speaker 2: these last two weeks they've looked a lot better against

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Speaker 2: and they haven't figured that out yet.

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Speaker 1: Overtime loss, blocked field. Yeah, they hail Mary and Washington.

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Speaker 2: Again, like the last two weeks, it's been against two

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Speaker 1: All right, another one. The records don't look similar, but

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Speaker 2: I think that the one difference. Again, going back to

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Speaker 2: Away, Yeah rather no exactly and another day he's done

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Speaker 2: Get got to get it exactly, especially when you haven't

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Speaker 1: That's important when everything's tighter right, when everything goloser together

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Speaker 2: I mean, they again we talk about level four oh

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Speaker 2: the scheme, the coordinators of all the players are all

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Speaker 2: been here, you know for four years now. In some cases. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you see it in the turnovers because you know they're

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Speaker 2: And I think you'll see that a little bit on

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Speaker 1: I love being up top and watching watching you can

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Speaker 1: just watch him do it.

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Speaker 2: There was another one. It felt like there was another

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Speaker 2: one coming against the Colts and and you know it

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Speaker 2: didn't happen, but you could Yeah, we both saw it.

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Speaker 2: I could see him just waiting and obviously he didn't

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Speaker 2: and you know that's probably what was about to happen.

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Speaker 1: I think him and Brian are probably both the chomping

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Speaker 1: at the bit for sure for Thursday, because there's going

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Speaker 1: to be some opportunities and they need to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of it. Didn't in Indy, you know, had a chance

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Speaker 1: in an interception, did I know Jack kind of tip

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Speaker 1: that ball, But Carlton Davis was kind of lamenting after

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Speaker 1: the game not not take care of that. And look,

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Speaker 1: this is a two games last year. Jer go through

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Speaker 1: five interceptions in two games again last year and that

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Speaker 1: made both those games very close. It was a difference.

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Speaker 2: And they do have some defensive guys who playmakers, whether

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Speaker 2: it's Montes swipt Sweat up front or Jalen Johnson there,

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Speaker 2: they have guys who will make plays, guys who can

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Speaker 2: really change a game. And so you do have to

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Speaker 2: be careful. But again, you've got so many weapons on

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Speaker 2: the Lions offensive side that I think he's able to

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Speaker 2: take the easy play and know that that play could

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Speaker 2: go for fifteen to twenty plus yards easily.

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Speaker 1: It should be a fun match and then let's get

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Speaker 1: a win on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's the other part. That's I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about we've seen some things. We saw what

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Speaker 2: nine straight losses in one stretch with the Lions. This

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Speaker 2: is you know seven now, and that's you know that's

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Speaker 2: not okay. Yeah, so I think there is you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to get talked a lot about this week,

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Speaker 2: but I think that's in the back of everybody's mind.

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Speaker 1: One guy who did talk about it, Frank Ragnan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said, look, I'd like to enjoy it with my family.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I go home and I'm mad because we lost.

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Speaker 1: I don't talk to anybody. He's like, can I have

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Speaker 1: a nice thanks.

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Speaker 2: He's talking with Jack Campbello. He's only been through one

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Speaker 2: of these and now he had Iowa, the Black Friday

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Speaker 2: game at Iowa, so he isn't not a regular Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: a long time, but he was the same way. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: just kind of sucks when you you know, you want

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Speaker 2: to be nice. You know it's not their fault, you're

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Speaker 2: in a bad mood, but it's your fault. But you

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Speaker 2: are in a bad mood when you lose this game.

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Speaker 1: Well, can they win ten straight? Can they get in

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Speaker 1: a good mood on Thanksgiving? Stay at top the NFC?

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Speaker 2: Which you see And that's the other thing that's as

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Speaker 2: crazy as this ten in one start is the fact

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Speaker 2: that they don't have a lot of wiggle room yet

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Speaker 2: because the Vikings finding ways to win in the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Keep winning, and the Eagles look pretty dark and they

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Speaker 1: are right there too. It should be a fun. When

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Speaker 1: he is John New, you can catch everything of his

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Speaker 1: Detroit News does a great job him and Wojo over

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Speaker 1: there column miss where can they find you?

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Speaker 2: On Twitter John New, at John Neil at John Neo.

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Speaker 1: There it is