1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, welcome back to I have some thoughts weekly 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: minisold episodes that are focused on pop culture topics, but 3 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: of course from a mental health limbs, and we are 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of exciting things. 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: So Bria, welcome back. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Yes, Hi, everyone so excited to join you again this 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: week to hear what we're talking about. 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: Yes, So today we have a couple of really interesting topics. First, 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this, but Serena and 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Venus Williams are going to be reuniting. So they have 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: announced that they're bringing their doubles partnership back and they 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 3: will actually compete at Wimbledon together and that starts in 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: just a few days. 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: At this point, they. 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: Haven't played together since twenty twenty two, and this comes 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: actually after I think a few weeks ago when Serena 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: announced that she was going to be returning to competition 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: after four years away from professional tennis. 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Now everyone's aware of what a powerhouse these two are. 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: They won fourteen Grand Slam titles together in doubles, including 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: six at Wimble then in the past throughout their careers, 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: so it's like about like what makes sibling relationships so 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: uniquely powerful or what can make them so powerful? So 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: how do sibling relationships shape our confidence, our identity, our 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: sense of belonging throughout our lives. 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: Ooh, so I'm very excited to see this comeback. So 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: I think when I heard Serena announced that she was 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: coming back, I don't know that I thought. 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: It would be like immediately. So clearly she has been 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: training for this. 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to see how they will do 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: in the doubles. But this question kind of makes me 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: think about our Siblings sit down series right where we 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: talk to different sets of siblings about their experiences, you know, 35 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: some siblings working together in similar to Serena and Venus, 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: and so I think that there is this shared language 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: in this shared history that often makes sibling pairs in 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: this case really dynamic. And especially in their case, we 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: know a lot about like how they were brought up 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: and how much their parents poured into them and very 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: strict kind of training schedules and really have been groomed 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: to be champions. And so I think when there is 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: that kind of shared history, that kind of sense of 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: shared values, it can go a very long way. 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: Especially for something like sports. Yep. 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: And I think even like with the fact that they've 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: been on similar paths but also at the same time, 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: like two different paths, like Seria stepped away from professional tennis, 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: Venis was competing more sporadically. 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: How can we learn from these. 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: Relationships, like as they're evolving, we're going through like different 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 3: seasons of success or changes or even challenges as siblings. 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: How can we grow through that? 54 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that has been really cool to see, 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: right that they have, of course had this kind of 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: shared path, but that they did stop and do their 57 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: own things. Venis has kind of competed pretty regularly for 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the past couple of years, and Serena did step away, 59 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: and I would imagine that that led to like lots 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: of conversations right around maybe even returning or is this 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: something that they wanted to do? 62 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: Was Venus more okay continuing on her own path right? 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: Like there may have been some tricky things to kind 64 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: of navigate, And so I think the key for siblings 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: and any kind of relationship is really what are those 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: conversations and how can we maybe sometimes have difficult conversations 67 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: where maybe awkward and like I don't know how to 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: tell you this, but I'm kind of interested in coming back, 69 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: like do you want to be Double's unders again? 70 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: Right? 71 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Like? That may not have been an easy conversation, we 72 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: don't know, but I think the key to any of 73 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: that is really being able to have difficult conversations and 74 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: to be honest with one another, and you know, but 75 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: also to be able to celebrate one another, right, Like 76 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure Serena was in the background celebrating her sister 77 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: while she stepped away, and Venus was celebrating the fact 78 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: that Serena was stepping away, right, And so I think 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: there's a sense of being happy for each other's individual goals, 80 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: but also really excited about the things that they are 81 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: able to accomplish when they're together. 82 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 83 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: I feel like that's such like an interesting point too, 84 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: because I feel like it's so easy to assume that 85 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: because their siblings and they spent all of these years together, 86 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: having those conversations might. 87 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: Be like quote unquote simple. With the end of the day, 88 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: everyone's still human, everyone's those feelings. It's like that too. 89 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: Well for our. 90 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: Next topic, are you familiar with the show Solo Traveling 91 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: with Tracy Ellis Ross? 92 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: I am? 93 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 3: I am? Yeah, Okay, so we got a first look 94 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 3: at season two. This new season is going to follow 95 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: Tracy as she solo travels to areas like northern Thailand 96 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: and Melbourne, Australia. And Tracy has been very vocal. She's 97 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: done tons of interviews about how she's happily single and 98 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: child free and how she's really in this season of 99 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: her life where she's choosing herself. She speaks a lot 100 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: about the importance of creating moments that are meaningful, whether 101 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: you're in a relationship or not, and if you have 102 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: to do them solo, not passing up on opportunities because 103 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: you don't have a partner to do like certain things with. 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: So how can solo experiences help people build confidence and 105 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: self trust, just like a stronger sense of identity along 106 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: the way too. 107 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: So I know that our community is very excited about too, 108 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: because I saw lots of excitement and lots of like. 109 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: Will we get a new season? 110 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: And so there were lots of cheers when we found 111 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: out that we were getting season two. And I think 112 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: that for so many people, Tracy really is like a 113 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: possibility model of what your life can look like outside 114 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: of like romantic partnership, right and not from like this 115 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: deficit like oh my gosh, what is me kind of place, 116 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: But like, I still have a very full life to 117 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: live and I'm going to do that. So I think 118 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: travel especially in like doing things. So then we've talked 119 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: about this on the podcast across probably several different episodes 120 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: at this point, around how things like solo travel and 121 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: doing different hobbies by yourself really. 122 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: Can instill us and of confidence. 123 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: I think, especially when you're traveling internationally, right where you 124 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: may be going to places where they don't speak the 125 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: language you are not familiar with, like the transportation system, 126 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: and so you're stretching yourself into some ways that may 127 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: be kind of uncomfortable, and then really forcing yourself to 128 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: rely on your own sense of adventure and like what 129 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of skills that you need to put together to 130 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: navigate and keep yourself safe and have fun in a new, 131 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: different place. So I think it is one of those 132 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: experiences that introduces skills and kind of test skills that 133 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: feel very difficult to embrace in tune in other places 134 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: of our lives. Right like, as you're going about your 135 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: regular life, maybe there are some opportunities but that kind 136 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: of thing. But I think things like solo travel really 137 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: stretch you in ways that are faster than you could 138 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: typically do in. 139 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: Your day to day. 140 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: Definitely, I totally agree. 141 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: And four people who aren't super familiar with solo traveling 142 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: or doing hobbies or going out even by themselves, what 143 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: advice would you give them as far as stepping out 144 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: and making those first steps to really enjoy like your 145 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: alone time and trying new things without waiting for a 146 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: partner in per se. 147 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: I've been really excited to see the kind of and 148 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: this is not a new thing. I'm sure like group 149 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: trips always existed, but there are lots of different organizations 150 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: and lots of different Black women that I've seen kind 151 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: of sponsoring like these group travel trips. So it's kind 152 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: of like you're alone, but like not really right. And 153 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: so for people who maybe want to do this but 154 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: are like a little anxious or nervers about like completely solo, 155 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: I think joining a small group trip could be a 156 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: great way to visit somewhere new and you still kind 157 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: of have some alone time, but you're there with other 158 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: people and meeting new people. Right if you don't go 159 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: with anybody else that you know, I think that's still 160 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: a very important skill, like social skills that you're cultivating 161 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: and learning new places and meeting new people. So I 162 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: think that that could be a great way to do that. 163 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: But I also think like committing to low stakes kinds 164 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: of things. So we've talked about, you know, like is 165 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: there like a community college clans that you want to 166 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: take or some workshop in your area, like just really 167 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: putting yourself out there and exploring the things that you 168 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: are curious about, not necessarily with any like in gold 169 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: in mind, but just I'm curious about this thing and 170 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: I want to know more about it. I want to 171 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: find new experiences to participate in. I think low stakes 172 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: ways really give you the opportunity to do that. 173 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: No, absolutely. 174 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: I did my first solo travel back in twenty twenty three, 175 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: and it was Portugal, and there's like this big group 176 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: chat of like black people in Portugal, and I didn't 177 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: know anyone when I was going, but they would do 178 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: like tours and things like that too, so you could 179 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: just kind of hop along and then there were other 180 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: people who were still troubling as well, and it just 181 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: made the whole experience a lot less intimidating. And I 182 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: think that applies to kind of what you were saying 183 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: too with some like the more low stakes things like 184 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: even with events or classes or things like that, there's 185 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: tons of people who are probably doing it by themselves too, 186 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: and so you can kind of make community through that 187 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: way as well. 188 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Exactly more from our conversation after the break. 189 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: Well, for our final story, let's talk about Lil nas X. So, 190 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: last year, Lil nas X was found wandering around Los Angeles. 191 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: He wasn't in a great state, he didn't have any 192 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: clothes on. It was an encounter that landed him arrested 193 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: and ultimately charged with recounts of battery. Shortly after, he 194 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 3: checked himself into a mental health treatment facility, but he 195 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: actually shared last week that he was out and he 196 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: was doing much better now. 197 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: He shared that while he was in treatment, he. 198 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: Received a bipolar disorder diagnosis, and he said it felt 199 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: very validating because he felt that he kind of knew 200 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: this already about himself, but simultaneously, he kind of felt 201 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: like he didn't want to admit it at the same 202 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: time because he had already made this choice that he 203 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 3: is living as a gay man, he's also living as 204 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: a black man, and he, in his words, feels like 205 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: he was already living life on quote unquote extreme hard 206 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: mode living under both of those different intersections there, and 207 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: I think it like opens a broader conversation about some 208 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: of the things that can really prevent people from seeking 209 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 3: support before. 210 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: Reaching a preaking point. 211 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 3: So like little Nazecsa had described that he was feeling 212 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: reluctant to acknowledge his diagnosis, and I'm wondering, from your perspective, like, 213 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: how can stigma make it harder for people to seek 214 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: help or to even accept what they feel is already 215 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: happening with them. 216 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: I was really excited to see that video across the 217 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: timeline last week because he looks so much better, right Like, 218 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: he looks like he's much healthier, in a very good place. 219 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: So I'm really happy that we kind of get to 220 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: see him again and that he is kind of sharing 221 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: this part of his life with us. I think for 222 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: something like a bipolar disorder diagnosis, you know, I think 223 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: mental health stigma, of course, is the large reason why 224 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: the podcasts. It's just in the first place, right, Like, 225 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: there's a stigma related to mental health kind of across 226 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: the board. But I think that there are certain diagnoses, 227 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: certain kind of classes of concerns that there is an 228 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: extenuating or there is even more stigma related to it, right, 229 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: And I think something like a bipolar disorder tends to 230 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: be one of those cases, just because you see so 231 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: much more disruption typically in that person's life and also 232 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: in the lives of people that like are surrounding them. 233 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: And so you know, for example, like when he was arrested, right, like, 234 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: there were other people involved, and you know, like we 235 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: don't even know all the details of that, but there 236 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: tends to be like an escalation in behavior that I 237 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: think makes it much more embarrassing to kind of talk 238 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: about and like, oh my gosh, I don't know what's 239 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: wrong with me, right, And so even he's indicating like 240 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I kind of knew something was going on, but I 241 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to admit it to myself. And I think 242 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of that comes from the ways that 243 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: we talk about people who have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, 244 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: the way that we treat people, the kind of casual 245 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: way we kind of throw around that kind of term, right, 246 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: like alsop being so bipolar, right, Like, those kinds of 247 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: things we don't always think about it, but those kinds 248 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: of things do actually increase stigma and make it more 249 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: difficult for somebody to come forward to get help and 250 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: also to be open and sharing about the ways that 251 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: they are struggling. And I think especially for artists and 252 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: like people who do creative things. And we talked about 253 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: this on the podcast when we talk about bipolar disorder, 254 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: people who are artists and creative often struggle with the 255 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: idea of like taking medication for things like bipolar disorder 256 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: because they're worried about what will this mean in terms 257 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: of my creativity. Will I still be able to access 258 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: that part of my brain? Will my creativity kind of 259 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: still flow the same? And so I think that that's 260 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: probably an added layer of nuance for him, and that 261 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: he may have been concerned about what this means in 262 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: terms of his ability to kind of make music and 263 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: still show up in the ways that he wanted to. 264 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that was a huge conversation for Kanye too, 265 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: as he was kind of struggling with his bibular disorder 266 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: and choosing to kind of go the unmedicated route because 267 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: he kind of felt it. 268 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: Was self tied to his creativity too. So that's a 269 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: great point. 270 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: And then there's also this added layer for someone like 271 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: Lil Naz X or someone like Kanye West who is 272 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: kind of battling some of these disorders and the symptoms 273 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: that come with that and the impact that it has 274 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: to them, and then also their communities as well. But 275 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: they also have this added layer of the fact that 276 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 3: they're in the public eye and that people are watching. 277 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: I struggle to believe that the video that we saw 278 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: of little Nazax would have went viral if somebody driving 279 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: by had been like, oh, that's a little not sex right. 280 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: Someone might have recorded it, but it. 281 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: Wouldn't have gotten all like uh press and all the. 282 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: News releases that it got. So like, what are some of. 283 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: The emotional challenges that can arise when someone's trying to 284 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: recover or heal but also trying to balance living in 285 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: the public eye as well. 286 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's really tough. I mean, because 287 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I think, again, a diagnosis like this is difficult, I 288 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: think to manage even when you're not in the public eye, right, 289 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: There tends to be lots of changes in terms of 290 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: lifestyle and getting your support system on board. Sometimes it 291 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: does involve trying different kind of medications and you know, 292 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: pretty consistent therapy, and so it is like a huge undertaking, 293 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: and so for somebody who is in the public life 294 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: or in the public eye, and like there are already 295 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: people checking hospital laws to see, you know what celebrities 296 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: have been checked in, and you know, like that kind 297 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: of thing. It doesn't give you the sense of privacy 298 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: that you sometimes need to be able to just tend 299 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: to like, Okay, let me get my life back on track. 300 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: And so I think that there is a tension between 301 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: wanting to do what you need to do for yourself, 302 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: but also this responsibility that I think, like artists have 303 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: to make music and how do I, you know, kind 304 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: of continue to give to my community, how do I 305 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: continue to express my art? But also I think that 306 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: there's just in the advent of everybody kind of being 307 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: on the ground reporter because we all have homes, it 308 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: really does take away any sense of privacy and confidentiality, 309 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: which I think could make you more reluctant to actually 310 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: doing the things that you need to do. And so 311 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: I think public figures do have that additional challenge that 312 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: it is very difficult, I think, for their privacy to 313 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: be maintained just because there are kind of reporters all 314 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: over the place. 315 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: YEP, totally agree and even like to your point, also, 316 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: it's like for the average person, you kind of have 317 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: to balance the perceptions of your family and your friends, 318 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: and then for sleverties it's like family friends and then 319 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: all these millions of people that are like familiar with 320 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: you and kind of know your name or have access 321 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: to you on social media and things like that too. 322 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you bring up a great point, right, I mean, 323 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: because if you know, you and I had a diagnosis 324 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: like this, like it would be maintained to eye families. 325 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: But he also has the public profile where people are 326 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: just kind of commenting about his health in ways that 327 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: aren't always like supportive or kind, right, And so in 328 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: addition to taking care of yourself, then you also have 329 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: to try to avoid all of this negative commentary that 330 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, a non celebrity does not have to worry about. 331 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yes, why I'm to your point. 332 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: I'm so happy that he's doing well, going to like 333 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: continue to send positive vibes and light his way and 334 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: hope that he stays on the right track too. But 335 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: that was our last topic. 336 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Perfect another great list. 337 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, Briya. 338 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: And if there are pop culture topics that you are 339 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: thinking about are excited about that you want us to 340 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: chat about. You can always send those to us at 341 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash mailbox. 342 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: But until next time, take good care of yourself.