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Speaker 1: have an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal? Indeed,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start with Ukraine. So lots going on. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they have made in order to you know, lock in

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Speaker 1: what they have done before we get into this long

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Speaker 1: cold winter. And you also have Zelenski himself revealing that

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Speaker 1: this is from just Foreign Policy, tweeted this out that

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Speaker 1: Western allies have told him Putin wants to begin direct negotiations.

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Speaker 1: This comes after million others and the Biden admen have

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Speaker 1: voiced support for talks publicly and privately, and Sullivan discussed

436
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Speaker 1: talks with Zelenski in a recent visit to Kiev. So

437
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Speaker 1: we shouldn't pretend like, you know, a lot of people

438
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Speaker 1: like to say, well, there's no chance for negotiations right now,

439
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Speaker 1: there's no possibility of diplomacy. So maybe later, maybe at

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Speaker 1: a later date, maybe we'll get down the road to that.

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Speaker 1: But there clearly is somewhat of an opening right now.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if if this aid comes out with

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Speaker 1: absolutely no conditions, I mean, this is a way to

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Speaker 1: exert pressure on the Ukrainians to say, all right, we

445
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Speaker 1: got to start being serious about trying to bring this

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Speaker 1: to some sort of a negotiated settlement, because that is

447
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Speaker 1: the only way this war is ultimately going to end. Yeah. Look,

448
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Speaker 1: I just think that it's not that difficult. Whenever everybody

449
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Speaker 1: Americans are sent, Americans supported ad to Ukraine. Americans were like, look,

450
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Speaker 1: we're good people. We decided, you know that this is

451
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Speaker 1: a just cause. But let me just lay it all

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Speaker 1: out again. The United States to date, in terms of

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Speaker 1: this is just pure military aid. This is not all aid,

454
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Speaker 1: although we can talk about all aid as well if

455
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Speaker 1: we want to. Has already spent fifteen point two billion.

456
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Speaker 1: We have an additional eleven point seven billion in reserve,

457
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Speaker 1: So why do they need twenty more billion in reserve? Now,

458
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Speaker 1: let's stack that up against every other country on Earth.

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Speaker 1: The United Kingdom to date has spledged to Ukraine one

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Speaker 1: point five billion euros. How kind of them? They have

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Speaker 1: two point three billion in reserve. Next to that is Poland,

462
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Speaker 1: which has done one point eight billion. Next to that

463
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Speaker 1: is Germany, which has done point seven billion. Next to

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Speaker 1: that is Canada point nine billion. Next to that is

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Speaker 1: Norway at point two billion, Denmark point three, Latvia point three,

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Speaker 1: the Czech Republic at point three. Am I making the point,

467
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Speaker 1: which is that twenty billion of extra military aid that

468
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Speaker 1: the Congress is asking, or that Biden is asking for

469
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Speaker 1: Congress is ten times more than ten times more that

470
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Speaker 1: the UK has spent on all military aid to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: This is a one to one conflict. And if that's

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Speaker 1: the case, well then I don't even know why we

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Speaker 1: consult with NATO and the rest of these people, because

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Speaker 1: we're the ones who are the driver's seat. No. I

475
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Speaker 1: was reading also on Ukraine. By the way, they're also

476
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Speaker 1: almost running out of ammunition. That's part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why they're asking for this. Well, where is all the

478
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Speaker 1: money going? I mean, also, does it really require that

479
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Speaker 1: much AMMO to keep this up? Because if that's true, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's take it on their face, let's believe them that's

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Speaker 1: the case. Well, then that means, ladies and gentlemen, we

482
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Speaker 1: just signed up for twenty billion dollar expenditures what every

483
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Speaker 1: three month perpetuity? Yeah, I didn't sign up for that.

484
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Speaker 1: We lost one seventh of the entire Pentagon budget. I

485
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Speaker 1: think the most important point is what you just said,

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Speaker 1: which is the reality that we are in the driver's seat.

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Speaker 1: I mean all of the like, oh, we're consulting with

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Speaker 1: our NATO allies. No, no, no, The whole policy of

489
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Speaker 1: the West is coming directly from the US. I mean,

490
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Speaker 1: we have pushed, you know, exactly the policy that we

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Speaker 1: want to see and approach this in exactly the way

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Speaker 1: that we want to approach this. So that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that drives me crazy is when people say like, oh, well,

494
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Speaker 1: we're just letting the Ukrainians do their thing. No, no, no, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's not pretend that we're anything other than a very

496
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Speaker 1: direct and active participant that is determining the course of

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Speaker 1: this war. Because we are i mean training intelligence on

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Speaker 1: top of you know, the military aid, the economic aid,

499
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Speaker 1: all of that. We are in the driver's seat in

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Speaker 1: terms of what is going on in this war. That

501
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Speaker 1: is just reality, and to pretend otherwise is to just

502
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Speaker 1: like sort of bury your head in the sand. So

503
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Speaker 1: at some point, you know, you have people in the

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Speaker 1: administration who have decided that, you know what the best

505
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Speaker 1: course right now would be to try to push for diplomacy.

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Speaker 1: That would be there's no guarantees there, but now would

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Speaker 1: be an opportunity to and I think that it is

508
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Speaker 1: at least worth the media taking that debate to the

509
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Speaker 1: American public and laying out for them. And we've just

510
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Speaker 1: had with this incident which could have ended in catastrophe

511
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Speaker 1: in Poland. I mean, it did end in catastrophe for

512
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Speaker 1: the two people whose lives were lost, but a larger

513
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Speaker 1: conflagration could have occurred. This is a perfect case in

514
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Speaker 1: point to say, listen, the longer this goes on, the

515
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Speaker 1: more we risk potentially catastrophic situations like what we narrowly

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Speaker 1: avoided here. Yeah, No, I think that that is very

517
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Speaker 1: well said. And finally, look, we'll give credit. I guess

518
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Speaker 1: where it's due. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green says, quote, I am calling for an

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Speaker 1: audit of all usaid and funding to Ukraine. The American

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00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: people deserve to know how their money is being spent

522
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Speaker 1: in defense of another nation's border. We'll leave the Biden

523
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: stuff all of that to the side. I agree with her.

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Speaker 1: I think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: twenty one point seven billion, and I have read here

526
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Speaker 1: before what exactly those appropriations sound like? It just says

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Speaker 1: ten billion dollars to be appropriated in the discretion of

528
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Speaker 1: the President of the United States and whatever he wants

529
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Speaker 1: from the United States Air Force? So what is it?

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Speaker 1: What are we sending? Why are we putting it all

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Speaker 1: in the hands of Biden? This isn't even saying don't

532
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: send the aid. It's just like, hey, what kind? What

533
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: is it deliver? And every a quarterly report to Congress?

534
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: Is that so much? Ask for you? Part of the

535
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Speaker 1: reason I'm up here speculating about AMO I have no idea. Yeah,

536
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: all I know is what the US government tells us.

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00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: Nothing there was that one report that came out. What

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Speaker 1: was that CBS, Yeah, CBS News was they had to

539
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Speaker 1: retract that they had to retract where it was like,

540
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Speaker 1: you know, some of these weapons aren't going where we

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Speaker 1: really think that they should, and they had to. There

542
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Speaker 1: was a whole uproar about it. But where's the follow

543
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Speaker 1: the follow up? Where's the rest of the journalism on? Oh?

544
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: Actually they fixed it and now it's going in the

545
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Speaker 1: right places, like we have not seen any follow on

546
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Speaker 1: reporting about how this is all going. There. You go, Okay,

547
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: let's turn two domestic politics, because twenty twenty four is

548
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: apparently here, whether you want it to be or not,

549
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: and we may be facing the rematch that absolutely no

550
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Speaker 1: one wants Trump versus by and he officially announced on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night we were here. Thank you to the many

552
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Speaker 1: of you who joined us here. It was a fun

553
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: night and great to have Ryan and Emily also to

554
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: join in and do the whole analysis and all of that.

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Speaker 1: So post announcement, actually, just as we were walking out

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Speaker 1: of here, we got the news that there was a

557
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Speaker 1: pretty notable no show at his announcement speech. That would

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Speaker 1: be his own daughter, Ivanka, who put on a statement

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Speaker 1: I guess shortly after or during the speech that said,

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Speaker 1: in part I love my father very much. This time around,

561
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Speaker 1: I am choosing to prioritize my young children and the

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Speaker 1: private life we are creating as a family. I do

563
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Speaker 1: not plan to be involved in politics. Well. I will

564
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: always love and support my father. Going forward, I will

565
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Speaker 1: do so outside the political arena. I am grateful to

566
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Speaker 1: have had the honor of serving the American people, and

567
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Speaker 1: I will always be proud of many of our administration's accomplishments.

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Speaker 1: That is from Avanka. And then another sort of notable

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Speaker 1: no show sager was Congresso Matt Gates. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. So obviously he's been a very

571
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Speaker 1: close Trump. He was one of the very few lawmakers

572
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Speaker 1: who had planned to go down and be present at

573
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Speaker 1: mar A Lago for the speech, but he bailed out,

574
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Speaker 1: saying the weather wasn't looking good for his flight down

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Speaker 1: from DC to Florida, but he will be there quote

576
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: in spirit. I'm sure that went down just fine with Trump.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, people were sharing pictures of like

578
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Speaker 1: the weather forecast for that day, which was like perfect,

579
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Speaker 1: no clubs, the weather was bad here. I don't know

580
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Speaker 1: if it was bad enough to ground flights. Look, I

581
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: don't think is it true or not? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So what did you What did you make of those two?

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Speaker 1: The Ivanka one is the biggest piece. Yeah, But at

584
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Speaker 1: the same time, I wish you would take her husband

585
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Speaker 1: with her, because Jared was in attendance on that speech.

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Speaker 1: He has not made any such declaration. That being said,

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Speaker 1: if she were to, you know, sit out the whole

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Speaker 1: Javanka part of the White House and contingent that was

589
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Speaker 1: such a mainstay during the Trump years, it would be significant.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. Especially Also, Jared is an egomaniac, right,

591
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Speaker 1: which is that he very much thought that he could

592
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Speaker 1: do immigration, he could run US foreign policy in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, in the Middle East, Yeah, he's in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East at the same time that he could do

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00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, criminal justice reform. So it's like you

596
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: put all those things together. I don't see a world

597
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: where he stays out, But when Ivanka not there, it

598
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: would be significant. The reason why is that Trump, at

599
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: the end of the day, really only trusted his children,

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Speaker 1: and Jared and Ivanka had walk in privileges to the

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Speaker 1: Oval Office. What does that mean, which is that traditionally

602
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: most almost nobody can just walk into the Oval office

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Speaker 1: without a clearing, an appointment, the approval of the White

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Speaker 1: House Chief of Staff, staff Secretary. Well, in his White House,

605
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Speaker 1: he had a lot of people with walk ins, and

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00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: anytime Vanka or Jared had something that they didn't like,

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00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: they would just walk in there and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: mister President, you know we need to do this. Hey,

609
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Speaker 1: mister President, what about that? So for her to sit

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Speaker 1: it out to about and not even appear at the speech, yeah,

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00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's clear the reputational damage that she suffered. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: it does not to do a January six like from

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Speaker 1: day one of the part of the administration. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it hurt her and her brand, like brand, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I would just say to her, like, sorry, sweete,

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Speaker 1: the damage as her agree, like, you're never not going

617
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: to be a trumpet. You're never not going to be

618
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: associated with everything that went down in your father's administration.

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Speaker 1: You were there every step of the way to defend

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Speaker 1: all of his actions. And you know, I remember in

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Speaker 1: the early days when before he got elected, or like

622
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Speaker 1: right after he got elected, there was all this kind

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Speaker 1: of Ohlevanka will be a moderating force and she'll be

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Speaker 1: there in his year and he won't be as unhinged

625
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: because she's gonna she's really, you know, sort of a

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Speaker 1: liberal and she'll be the one to bring him to

627
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Speaker 1: heal and she's the favorite and all of that, and like,

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Speaker 1: obviously that didn't really transpire, so you know, she is

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Speaker 1: clearly here trying to protect her brand. January sixth probably

630
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: was like a bridge too far for her. Uh, Don

631
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Speaker 1: Junior has been the one to step up to the plate,

632
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: to be all in extra crazy with his dad and

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Speaker 1: you know, try to claim that favorite child status from

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Speaker 1: his sister. But uh, like I said, I think if

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Speaker 1: Evanka is trying to protect her brand, good luck, because

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00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: that damage was ultimately already done. But nonetheless, the fact

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Speaker 1: that his own daughter is saying publicly that she is

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Speaker 1: not going to be involved whatsoever, that is pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: You also had interesting moment. There's a lot of reporting

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Speaker 1: about you know, Ruert Murdoch, who's Fox News and Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal and New York Posts that he is out

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Speaker 1: in terms of supporting Trump, that he's going to use

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Speaker 1: his media properties to try to push other GOP candidates

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Speaker 1: you've seen some signs of that. It's not across the

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Speaker 1: board at Fox, but you had Stuart Varney asking Laura

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Speaker 1: Trump a pretty pointed question about her father in law's

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Speaker 1: speech and just how the sort of like entertainment value

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Speaker 1: of it. Let's take a listen to that. So I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're very supportive of your father in law, but

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Speaker 1: those of us on the outside looking at it, it

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Speaker 1: didn't seem as he got the old magic, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Oh well, I highly disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: Look for Donald Trump from the very beginning, from the

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Speaker 1: first ai he came down the escalator in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: in Trump Tower, it's never been about elected officials, politicians,

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Speaker 1: people you know in the swamp in DC. It's been

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Speaker 1: about the American people. And if you look around the

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Speaker 1: room last night, you had people from all different walks

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Speaker 1: of life. The energy there at mar A Lago was

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Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. It really did to me feel like the

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen twenty sixteen campaign. So you see this from

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Speaker 1: Varney saying didn't feel like quite the same as before.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have quite the same magic, which is I

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Speaker 1: mean just kind of undenial. Yeah, you was a huge

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Speaker 1: Trump Booster. You're absolutely correct, Crystal. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to make of really like this entire thing,

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Speaker 1: but I do think we know that the response to

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Speaker 1: it was not nearly what Trump would have wanted, the

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Speaker 1: fact that that was even openly floated on Fox. Now

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Speaker 1: we'll get to the fawning coverage that he got as well.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Murdoch Empire, the New York Post,

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Speaker 1: they put it on page twenty six Trump's announcement. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like we should put dal that

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Speaker 1: much stock into it. MSNBC didn't even carry it live, CNN,

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Speaker 1: Fox and oursel we all cut away from it after

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Speaker 1: like forty five minutes or so, because we're like, listen,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of us have just heard a

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Speaker 1: lot of it before, So what is the actually utility

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Speaker 1: you know, to our audience necessarily for that. Also, many

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Speaker 1: of the people who were there for Trump, you know,

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Speaker 1: the donors and others, they've already bowed out and said

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Speaker 1: that they're not going to be doing it. Steve Schwartzman,

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Speaker 1: two other billionaire donors who backed Trump repeatedly all throughout

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Speaker 1: the cycle. None of them came and said that they

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Speaker 1: were going to be backing Trump this time around, So

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Speaker 1: I think that's very significant. Yeah, it absolutely is. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: let's also not oversell it. He has plenty of money.

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Speaker 1: He's going to have plenty of money. He has a

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Speaker 1: large fundraising base of grassroots donors and also plenty of

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Speaker 1: rich people who are sticking with him. He is the

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Speaker 1: former president, he is the head of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: And let's also not oversell the influence of Fox at

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Speaker 1: this point. You know, they did not go along, by

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Speaker 1: by and large with stop the steal. Some of the

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Speaker 1: primetime personalities, Tucker Carlson in particular, sort of with it

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Speaker 1: and played with it. But you know, you had people

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Speaker 1: like the breadbearers of the world and the Martha McCallum's

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Speaker 1: utter name of the world who were very adamant about no,

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Speaker 1: this was all above board. Base didn't go along with

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Speaker 1: them on that. Seventy percent of the Republican base says

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Speaker 1: the election was stolen. So you know, it's also it's

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Speaker 1: different now that Roger Als is no longer there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he really had like iron grip on all the personalities

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Speaker 1: and really sort of, you know, directly, there was a

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Speaker 1: more top down like this is what our line is,

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Speaker 1: and this is where it's going. I don't get the

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Speaker 1: sense that Fox is all on the same page the

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Speaker 1: way that they once were, and you see that already

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Speaker 1: in some of the coverage where yeah, you have some

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Speaker 1: personalities like Stuart Varney, who's want to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't all that great. You've seen on Fox and

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Speaker 1: Friends them taking some shots or like putting up graphics

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Speaker 1: of potential Republican candidates that don't actually include Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. But you also see other

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Speaker 1: personalities who continue to be big boosters, which we'll get

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Speaker 1: to in just a minute. Now. We floated during our coverage.

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Speaker 1: We'll go ahead and move on to this next part

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Speaker 1: that perhaps the audience, the intended audience for this speech

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Speaker 1: was not so much hey, let's you know, let's let

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Speaker 1: the good times roll, Let's get the grassroots space excited again.

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Speaker 1: Let's like, you know, jin up barser of grassroots supporters,

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Speaker 1: that it was more aimed towards the elite audiences and

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Speaker 1: elected officials and Republican taste makers and the consultant class,

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Speaker 1: who have been very skittish about going in again with Trump,

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Speaker 1: especially in the wake of the election results, and that's

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Speaker 1: why he really stayed on script. That's why he was

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Speaker 1: on the prompter, that's why he stayed away from some

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Speaker 1: of the craziest parts of his conspiracy theories and really

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Speaker 1: didn't go into stop the deal at all, which was

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily notable given that that is like his total fixation

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Speaker 1: for the past ever since he lost the election, and

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Speaker 1: at least with some of them, that approach seems to

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Speaker 1: have landed. So you have Senator Lindsay Graham, who of

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Speaker 1: course has always been you know, for a while now

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Speaker 1: I should say, a big Trump booster. He says, if

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Speaker 1: President Trump continues this tone and delivers this message on

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Speaker 1: a consistent basis, he will be hard to beat. His

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Speaker 1: speech tonight, contrasting his policies and results against the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration charts a winning path for him the primaries in

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Speaker 1: general election. You heard some of this commentary from others

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Speaker 1: as well. Basically, like you know, always, if he just

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Speaker 1: stays on message, if he just sticks to the script,

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Speaker 1: then he's going to be very hard to beat in

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Speaker 1: the general election. And so you know, he's the theory

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Speaker 1: of the case that that was basically his goal was

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Speaker 1: to prove he could be the good boy that he

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Speaker 1: could color within the lines and you know, do the

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Speaker 1: thing that makes these Republican elected officials more comfortable, and

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Speaker 1: at least with some of them, they were taking the bait.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was very significant. That was the immediate

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Speaker 1: response there from Lindsey Graham. Right. So let's go and

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Speaker 1: put the next one up there on the screen as well,

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Speaker 1: which shows you the way that Fox fond over the

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Speaker 1: Trump speech one they cut away from it, which Sean

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Speaker 1: Hanny was on the air. Well, Shawn, nothing like the

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Speaker 1: original there. He went back to the themes that put

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Speaker 1: him in the White House, from fair trade to borders,

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Speaker 1: to ending and nonsense foreign wars to saying, we the

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Speaker 1: people have been ignored by Washington DC. It's a forward

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Speaker 1: looking speech that recognizing the disaster of the last two years,

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Speaker 1: he said, as president, I delivered for you where other

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Speaker 1: presidents have not. This looks like Trump in as good

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Speaker 1: a form as you've ever seen him, sticking to the

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Speaker 1: issues that matter to his voters, making the case to

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Speaker 1: Republican primary voters that he's the guy to continue to

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Speaker 1: be the standard bearer as the original that remade the party.

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Speaker 1: There will be others many of which leverage their association

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Speaker 1: with Trump to get where they are. Who will try

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Speaker 1: to be like Trump. There's only one original who got

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Speaker 1: to the White House and fought and I think if

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Speaker 1: he stays on message the way he did tonight, he's

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Speaker 1: got a formidable case to make to a Republican elector.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's clearly a shot at Ron DeSantis. People

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Speaker 1: are trying to copy Trump, who owe their position to Trump.

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Speaker 1: There's only one original, and you should just assume. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the reason why I found this interesting is because you've

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Speaker 1: got this is Sean hannonh these hour, You've got Pete

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Speaker 1: Hagset and Mike Huckabee, and you can guarantee that Hegset

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Speaker 1: there is on exactly the talking points Trump wants them

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Speaker 1: to be on. So it's revealing of what Trump wanted

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Speaker 1: people to take away from this speech, which was number one,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing like the original and all the copycats can

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Speaker 1: you know, can stand down. And number two that he's

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Speaker 1: going back to the themes that won him the presidency

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, which you did hear an attempt to,

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Speaker 1: you know, grab back on to some of those themes

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Speaker 1: about trade and the economy that you know that he

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Speaker 1: ran on in twenty sixteen. Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: And look that level of fawning coverage that is going

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Speaker 1: to be a mainstay. This is the problem with the

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Speaker 1: whole idea of like the Murdoch Empire, turning on Foxy

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Speaker 1: turning on Trump. They tried that would stop the Steel

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Speaker 1: Crystal and what worked. Nothing. Their ratings dropped Newsmax and

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Speaker 1: ballooned Oan and all of them. Yes, they have now

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Speaker 1: the problems with dominion losses that are right now, but

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Speaker 1: in the temporary game it did not work out for them.

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Speaker 1: They will come around. We all know that to be

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Speaker 1: the case. So for all of the talk of you know,

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Speaker 1: the Stuart Varney's, we should always be mindful of the

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity's of the fact is that he is the incumbent,

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Speaker 1: he is the king, He's got the fundraising element. I

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Speaker 1: have seen no campaign apparatus yet from Rond de Santis. Also,

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Speaker 1: the theory of the case for Rond de Santis is

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Speaker 1: he's beating Trump in head to head. Mike Pence just

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Speaker 1: this morning got an endorsement from the National Right to

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Speaker 1: Life Group. They were like, we're ready for you, sir,

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Speaker 1: We're ready to run for you. Asa Hutchinson was on

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Speaker 1: CNN this morning, the governor of Arkansas, saying he was

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Speaker 1: thinking about running for president. Mike Pompeo wants to run

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Speaker 1: for president, So you'd have multiple people who would be splitting.

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott, he Haleyeah, there's a whole slew of them,

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Speaker 1: even if five of them don't run. Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: decent amount of split that you're going to see there.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I think it's very important to always try

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Speaker 1: and emphasize to everyone like this is Trump's to lose

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Speaker 1: and not the other way around. Hugreed. Absolutely. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, you know, Trump was pumping up Senator Rick

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Speaker 1: Scott as his candidate to take out Mitch McConnell as

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Speaker 1: a leader of the Republicans in the Senate. That did

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Speaker 1: not work out. McConnell was re elected yesterday. Let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen, comfortably re elected

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Speaker 1: despite what they described here in ABC News as a

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Speaker 1: historic challenge from Rick Scott, just because McConnell has really

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Speaker 1: never even faced a challenge. The vote here ultimately was

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Speaker 1: thirty seven to ten. And you know it's the stun

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Speaker 1: secret ballot behind closed doors they even tried. There was

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Speaker 1: an effort to just delay the vote, and you had

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Speaker 1: people like Josh Holly I think in particular, who was

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Speaker 1: making the case of like, oh, it's not fair that

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker. You know, we're telling him to go win

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't even have a voice or a vote

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Speaker 1: in this room, et cetera, et cetera. But that died

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Speaker 1: as well. So McConnell easily re elected as a leader

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Speaker 1: of the Republicans in the Senate minority leader. Let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this next. He's up on the screen. Here

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Speaker 1: is what we know about who voted against McConnell. You've

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Speaker 1: got Brown, You've got Cruz, You've got Graham, Hawley and

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Speaker 1: Johnson Ron Johnson. Still don't know who the one present

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Speaker 1: vote is. So you know, this is I guess the

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Speaker 1: most challenge that Mitch McConnell ever faced, but ultimately doesn't

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Speaker 1: even come close to success. Yeah, And from what I heard,

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Speaker 1: the reason was is that people knew it was a

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Speaker 1: doomed campaign and they voted for Rick Scott because they

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Speaker 1: didn't even like Rick Scott, but they wanted Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: to feel the heat. I mean, did he really feel

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Speaker 1: any heat. Yes, it is the first challenge. At the

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Speaker 1: other hand, you want it overwhelmingly. Yeah, I'm not even

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Speaker 1: sure what you particularly accomplished in voting for Rick Scott,

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Speaker 1: other than being on McConnell's shit list, which I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: he's eighty year old man. He's not going to reign

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Speaker 1: forever as head of the GOP, but he will be

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Speaker 1: the minority leader for the foreseeable future. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: so sure I would want to know. He's a big fundraiser.

854
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, all the power. I think the

855
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: reason why that we did this was to show people, look,

856
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: Trump's power, Yeah, it exists, but in the Senate they're

857
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: bucking him, as they did the entire time that he

858
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: was in office. And the next one is what I'm

859
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: really interested in, which was Trump's major pick was for

860
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: Rick Scott and he endorsed him against McConnell. Well, Scott

861
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: famously is the person who lost the Senate and blew

862
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: millions of tens of millions of dollars in the NRSC.

863
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: Now he's coming under a bit of scrutiny. Let's fill

864
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: this up there. Senators are considering floating an audit of

865
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: the NRSC This was by Marshall Blackburn and by Tom

866
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: Tillis said there should be an independent review of how

867
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: the party's campaign arm spent its resources before falling short

868
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: of its goal of winning the majority, and Scott responded

869
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: in a statement saying that actually, when he took the

870
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: committee over two years ago, he had learned that previous

871
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: staffers have been paid hundreds of thousand dollars in unauthorized

872
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: and improper bonuses. Lots of people who are slinging responses.

873
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: The previous director was actually Representative Todd Young. Now his

874
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: representative responded to the Scott saying that is what children

875
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: do when they are caught with their hands in the

876
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: cookie jar. They lash out, this is crazy. We welcome

877
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: a full audit of our finances, but does Rick Scott

878
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: welcome one of his. We know that he drained the

879
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: coffers of the NRSC of the tune of what one

880
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars? What did he spend it on? Why

881
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: was he hanging out on a super yacht in Italy

882
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of August whenever you had candidates that

883
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: were getting smacked in major polls, and I think didn't

884
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: He also spent on some races that were just like

885
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: absurd longshot Washington, Oregon, Colorado, places that ended up being

886
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: not even remotely close. While you know, Blake Masters was

887
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: out begging for cash, you know, lack salt. All of

888
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: them were sort of going having to go to McConnell

889
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: right and beg for funds there. And of course Trump

890
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't really pony up much of anything for anyone, despite

891
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the fact that his coffers were pretty full. There's some

892
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: fun like internescing little backbiting that's detailed in this article.

893
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: You also have this Scott advisor Kurt Anderson, who went

894
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: on Twitter to criticize Senate leader the Senate Leadership Fund

895
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: that's mcconnald's group, for not doing enough for the Georgia

896
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: Senate runoff election. He wrote on Twitter, have they given up?

897
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: And then you have the McConnell chief of staff chirping

898
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: back that the NRSC was barely making a mark in

899
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: the race. That's of course Scott's group, but he says, quote,

900
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: don't worry, little buddy, We're used to covering for you.

901
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: So total I mean total warfare between the mcconald camps

902
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: and the Rick Scott camps. It's also the other thing

903
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: that I always want to underscore here is that none

904
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: of this is like there's no ideology you could attach

905
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: to this, like Rick Scott if there ever was this

906
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: sort of like different Trumpist approach to economics. Rick Scott

907
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: is on the polar opposite side of that. It's just

908
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: that he was like willing to be loyal to Trump,

909
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: willing to to be the sacrificial lamb here, even though

910
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: he knew he had no shot of ultimately unseating Mitch McConnell.

911
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: And like, why would anyone vote for this dude, even

912
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: if you don't care about ideology, you just want to win?

913
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: Why would anyone vote for this dude when he just

914
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: was at the helm of total catastrophe, like wipe out

915
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: level catastrophe for the Senate GOP right, Yeah, no, I

916
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: think the look Rick Scott is moron. I think basically

917
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: everybody knows that and a fraudsters and yeah, beyond that,

918
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: and his conduct not like what we know about his

919
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: electoral capacity is not good so far. So I don't

920
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: know why exactly you would vote for him, As I said,

921
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: it's considered like a quixotic campaign, you know, right now,

922
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: as to why exactly they all these people even voted

923
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: for him in the first place. I don't see any

924
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: particular point to it. The only reason to do is

925
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: see McConnell, then do it. The only reason to do

926
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: it is prove your loyalty to Trump. Yeah, that's it.

927
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: You're more concerned about the Trump audience than you are

928
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: like the money from Mitch McCallum. Well, if you look

929
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: at the list of names of people who voted for

930
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Rick Scott, you know these are all people who basically

931
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: are safe in terms of their seats, so they don't

932
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: necessarily need the McConnell cash. So they feel like it's

933
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: important to stay where their bread is buttered with Donald Trump. Right,

934
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: That's how I read it. The Biden team has apparently

935
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: been preparing for a while for the Trump presidential announcement.

936
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: Of course, Trump has been telegraphing for quite some time

937
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: that he was going to run again. He even floated

938
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: announcing before the midterms, so they were ready to go

939
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: with a couple of videos that they pushed down on

940
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: the day of his announcement, including this one that they

941
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: posted on Twitter during the speech itself. Let's take a look.

942
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: Nobody has ever done what we've done in the last

943
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: four years, their entire economic plan, tax cuts for the

944
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: rich and corporations, and record breaking unemployment. The worst jobs

945
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: were port on record. Trump is the only modern president

946
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: to leave office with fewer jobs than when he took office.

947
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: Trumministration formally asking the Supreme Court to overturn the Affordable

948
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: Care Act. This could leave up to twenty three million

949
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: Americans without coverage. You also had people that were very

950
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: fine people on both sides. Do you believe in punishment

951
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: for aborship? Yes or no? There has to be some

952
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: form of punishment for the woman. Yeah, there has to

953
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: be some form. And if I win, we will treat

954
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: those people from January sixth sparely benefit requires pardons. We

955
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: will give them pardons. The tagline there for those of

956
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: you who are just listening and says Trump failed America.

957
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: And that's what the Biden team tweeted out. I have

958
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: to tell you this is actually to meet one of

959
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: the more effective democratic attacks on Trump that I've frankly seen. Well, yeah,

960
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: because it left the jan six stuff all the way

961
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: to the end with but they led with the economy.

962
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: They led with he rigged the economy for the rich,

963
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: and then they talk about healthcare. I mean, they talk

964
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: about and then they go on to talk about abortion,

965
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: they talk about extremism, and I think, obviously we saw

966
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: in this election those are potent attacks as well. But

967
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: this was one of the first times I've really seen

968
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Democrats with what I thought was a smart and effective

969
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: pitch characterizing his time in office as a time where

970
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: he failed the American people, where he towed the line,

971
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, delivered for the wealthy while sort of letting

972
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: everybody else whether her on the vine. And it's interesting

973
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: to me that, you know, instead of going with the

974
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: normals or Pearl clutching all his words, his language, his decorum,

975
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: et cetera, they actually dug into what some of the

976
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: policy failures were in a way that you know, I

977
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: think could have some resonance with people. It's possible. I

978
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I do think it was a smart initial attack.

979
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Biden all throughout twenty twenty led with soul the Nation,

980
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: all that other stuff, and I always thought it was

981
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: relatively I'm not saying it was enough, but it was enough,

982
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: but barely real more because of COVID. Yeah right, yeah, away.

983
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna beat Trump in twenty twenty, four,

984
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to run almost entirely on the economy, now,

985
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: you know. Look three weeks ago, I would have told

986
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: you there's no way that that was going to happen.

987
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: But Biden clearly got some pass from voters on the

988
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: economy whenever it came to the midterm elections and on

989
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party specifically Howie handles the next two years. Also,

990
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: look macroeconomically, it's possible I was looking that we could

991
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: see food deflation for the first time in two years.

992
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: This month we could see a slowdown and did see

993
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: a slight slow down in inflation. Let's say the worst

994
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: of the Fed reserve hikes are behind us. Well, a

995
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: year from now, we could be sitting in a much

996
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: better economy. We could have four point five percent unemployment,

997
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: lower inflation, and things could be rocking. So that's the

998
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: point is is that prognosticating two years out, it's possible

999
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden comes back from behind, I mean, and

1000
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: does win. On the other hand, he defied one historical

1001
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: trend by not winning midterms but far out passing expectations.

1002
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: So previous presidents, though had got did go on to

1003
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: win reelection, So he could reverse that trend too. There's

1004
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: no way to know. Yeah, I mean, I do think

1005
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: that after the midterms, we have to say the American

1006
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: people are pretty done with Trump and his bullshit, Like

1007
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: there was a pretty clear reckoning there. I'm going to

1008
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: talk to my monologue Nate Cone crunch. The numbers about

1009
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: the penalty for the like super Trump aligned candidates was

1010
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: about five points overall, and in swing districts it was

1011
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: closer to seven points. That was like the Trump tax

1012
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: on candidates who were too closely associated with him, and

1013
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: in particular candidates who were all in on stop this deal. So,

1014
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a at this point, I

1015
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty big hill for Trump to climb

1016
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: to make the comeback and win the presidency. I feel

1017
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: much more confident that he could win the Republican primary

1018
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: than I do that he could win the general election.

1019
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got an indictment hangingovers at all of

1020
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: that stuff. But that being said, Listen, as you're pointing out,

1021
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: it's a long time from God only knows what's going

1022
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: to happen with Ukraine. God only knows what other things

1023
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: are going to transpire that none of us is even

1024
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: thinking about. Right now, what the economy looks like in

1025
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: all of that. So I'd never want to say, like, oh,

1026
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: it's a sure thing that Trump will lose ultimately this time,

1027
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I did want to say. The other video that the

1028
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: Biden team put out, I also thought had a smart

1029
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: framing to it. They had on a split screen and

1030
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: on one side was Trump just like talking about infrastructure, infrastructure,

1031
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: infrastructure week, We're going to make you who's better at

1032
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: infrastructure than Trump? And on the other side you have

1033
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: Biden saying nothing, just signing the bill, and at the

1034
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: very end it's you know, people clapping and obviously him

1035
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: signing this infrastructure package into law, and it says basically

1036
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: like talk versus action. I think that's a smart framing

1037
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: as well, because obviously Trump is going to go after

1038
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: Biden for like his inability to talk, and so what

1039
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: he can say is like, all right, sure, you're great

1040
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: at like talking and you know, at in front of

1041
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: a rally crowd, but when it actually comes down to it,

1042
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: I got it done and you didn't. So I thought

1043
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: that was also a sort of smart framing and something

1044
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: they're likely to come back to in other instances as

1045
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: well that tries to protect Biden from the obvious attacks

1046
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: on him that he's too old and frankly not up

1047
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: to the job, which I do think has a significant

1048
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: amount of resonance with the American people, in with the

1049
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Democratic base too. Look, we all just learned in Pennsylvania

1050
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: ability to talk is not necessarily a prerequisite to whole

1051
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: eye office. So I think we should just put that

1052
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: one to the side. We have now two relatively certain

1053
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: political instances, which those have been put to the test.

1054
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: Let's or the next one up there on the screen,

1055
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: which I found really interesting. Crystal from the New York

1056
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Times ye specifically about the effort to coordinate the Trump

1057
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: response has now being led for months inside of the

1058
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: White House, and this ad was a result of kind

1059
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: of the autopsy that they decided to come to, they

1060
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: decided to lead with, so they clearly what you're seeing

1061
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: there is the amalgam of like polling data instinct and

1062
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: also a little bit of learning from the lesson from

1063
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: the midterms, which is the lead with the economy, then

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Speaker 1: you go to abortion, then you go to jan six,

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Speaker 1: so many the their issues and areas, you basically put

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Speaker 1: it to the side and you stick solely with economic recovery.

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Speaker 1: Biden again. You know, we have seen now with the midterms,

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Speaker 1: people think that inflation in the economy is much more

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Speaker 1: of a structural problem than it is a partisan problem.

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Speaker 1: That is a massive problem for Republicans who really wanted

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Speaker 1: it to not appear as a structural problem because then

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Speaker 1: they also may need to fix it and propose some solutions.

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Speaker 1: Per second, because it was thought to be such a

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Speaker 1: fantastic political asset. So for Trump, you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to say that he also led to kind of

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Speaker 1: structural good change in the economy when he was in charge.

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Speaker 1: Do people really have a memory of five years ago,

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Speaker 1: six years ago, really in twenty twenty four, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, you have a you

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Speaker 1: really have two very different narratives about the Trump era.

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Speaker 1: In the Biden ad that we put up there, they

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Speaker 1: say like historic job loss, which I mean, listen to

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Speaker 1: anything's fair in politics, Like it's technically true, but obviously

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Speaker 1: this is because of like COVID and like you know,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't really his not really his fault. But of

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Speaker 1: course they're going to spend that there he left office

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Speaker 1: with fewer jobs as first president in history or whatever.

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Speaker 1: They said, of course Trump is going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the first part of his administration when you have a

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Speaker 1: hot you know, job market and low unemployment and all

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Speaker 1: of those things. So that will be the battle of

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Speaker 1: the narrative. In this New York Times piece, they say

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Speaker 1: that Biden will continue to underscore his belief that Trump

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Speaker 1: is a threat to democracy, but his political handlers are

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Speaker 1: determined to show that mister Trump's four years did not

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Speaker 1: yield actual accomplishments for the American people. That obviously is

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Speaker 1: very much the aim of that ad that we showed

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Speaker 1: you where you know, they are leading with the economy,

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Speaker 1: the job loss, healthcare, reading the economy for the rich,

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Speaker 1: and then they go on to abortion and Charletsville and

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Speaker 1: January sixth. This effort is being led by some of

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Speaker 1: his top advisors, Anita Dunn and General Mally Dixon, who

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Speaker 1: ran his campaign last time around is now Deputy chief

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Speaker 1: of Staff at the White House. They also have already,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I mean, listen, this are

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Speaker 1: obviously is like coming from the Biden team. They're portraying

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Speaker 1: in the rosiest possible light. But I'm a little bit

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Speaker 1: surprised they have their act together this much to be

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Speaker 1: perfectly honest with you. And they have also started hiring

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Speaker 1: staff in early GOP primary states like New Hampshire and Florida. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously Democrats would want to win New Hampshire next time around.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have any hope of winning Florida

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Speaker 1: next time around. The reason they're putting staffers the DNC

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Speaker 1: is putting staffers on the ground there is so that

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Speaker 1: they can follow Republican presidential candidates around and record them

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Speaker 1: and grab any potential like missteps or extreme language or

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that they're saying on the trail to

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Speaker 1: potentially use against them. So that is the thinking. They're

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Speaker 1: very interesting, certainly. Okay, let's go to next one on

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Speaker 1: gay marriage. This was some news that we didn't necessarily expect,

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Speaker 1: and let's set up a little bit of history on

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Speaker 1: this because it's kind of interesting. Which is, after the

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Speaker 1: Dobbs decision where Clarence Thomas said in his concurring opinion

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Speaker 1: that not only should obergafe or not only should Roversus

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Speaker 1: wade beyond the table for being overturned, but Oberga fell

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Speaker 1: as well. It opened up door to a lot of speculation,

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Speaker 1: which is that, oh, my God, is the core going

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Speaker 1: to get or possibly get rid of gay marriage. Could

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Speaker 1: they even go back and get rid of interracial marriage too?

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Speaker 1: Of these things which were decided at the level of

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court, Senator Tammy Baldwin, one of the only openly

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Speaker 1: gay members of the Senate, decided to take it upon

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Speaker 1: herself to try and whip the votes for that type

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Speaker 1: of legislation. She was not able to get the legislation

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Speaker 1: on the floor or votes committed former Republicans before the election,

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Speaker 1: but she had promised before that it was going to

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Speaker 1: come during lame duck, which is that period right now

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Speaker 1: before the new Senate is then sworn in. What's interesting

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Speaker 1: is she actually delivered. She announced almost immediately after the election.

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Speaker 1: I have the legislation, I have the votes. Many of

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Speaker 1: these Republican senators their only objection was like, we need

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Speaker 1: to have some sort of religious liberty protection for religious organizations,

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Speaker 1: as in, it doesn't going to target them in ways

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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily worth getting into right now, because according

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Speaker 1: to these Republicans, they say that that language has been

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Speaker 1: added to the bill and they feel that this is

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Speaker 1: an actual up or down vote on gay marriage and

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Speaker 1: interracial marriage itself. That legislation then had a key of

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Speaker 1: vote procedural vote proceed yesterday in the Senate, and it

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Speaker 1: passed pretty overwhelmingly to put this up there on the screen,

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Speaker 1: sixty two to thirty seven, advancing the marriage equality bail

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Speaker 1: protecting same sex and interracial marriage under federal law. The

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Speaker 1: twelve Republicans is going to put the next one up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. This is important because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of diversity going on here. Senators Blunt, Burr, Capedo, Collins, Ernst, Loomis, Murkowski, Portman, Romney, Sullivan, Tillis,

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Speaker 1: and Young, and chrissel For me, that is just a

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Speaker 1: real amalgam of both retiring senators quote unquote moderates. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know Mitt Romney a Mormon. Romney's a little

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Speaker 1: surprising because he's obviously very religious Utah very religious states.

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Speaker 1: So that was exactly little surprised. Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

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Speaker 1: You know, Todd Young is from Indiana. You have Jony

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Speaker 1: Ernst from Iowa. Like that Iowa was saying is a

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Speaker 1: very Catholic state, especially with GOP voters. You have Cynthia Loomis,

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Speaker 1: I mean she literally Wyoming is one of the most

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Speaker 1: Republican states in the country. So for a lot of

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Speaker 1: these senators, they are not necessarily any political benefit in

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Speaker 1: voting for this at all. It also comes to a

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Speaker 1: real test for the rest of the Republican senators who

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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily vote in terms of the procedural bill. Now

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Speaker 1: that they have the votes, are you going to vote

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Speaker 1: up or down? You know? Marco Rubio famously said, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a waste of time. It's like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: now it's on the Senate floor, so are you going

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Speaker 1: to vote for it? Right or not? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you'll pay a price. By the way, he

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Speaker 1: won by almost twenty points in Florida, so you can

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Speaker 1: genuinely just vote however he wants. He is very religious.

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Speaker 1: It's possible that he goes with that one. But I

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Speaker 1: think it will be an actual test of kind of

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Speaker 1: the civil war within the GOP as to whether to

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Speaker 1: leave the old culture war behind and do a new one,

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Speaker 1: or to try, and I guess, reclaim an old position

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Speaker 1: which was held by the party and effectively abandoned after

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Speaker 1: a Bergerfeld but now being put back on the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you found this clip Ben Shapiro speaking on The Daily

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Speaker 1: wire declare you cannot be a Republican and support this legislation.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Let me just put this out

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Speaker 1: there for the Republican centers. If you vote in favor

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Speaker 1: of the idea that society has an obligation to recognize

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Speaker 1: male male or female female dieads in the same way

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Speaker 1: that society has an obligation to recognize male female, you

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Speaker 1: should not be in the Republican Party. You shouldn't. The

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Speaker 1: reason I say this is not because I wish to

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Speaker 1: shrink the size the Republican Party. Because if the fundamental

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Speaker 1: basis of human society is male female trial, and you

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Speaker 1: think that by passing a law you can change that reality,

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Speaker 1: you do not belong in government. I see. That's interesting

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Speaker 1: to me because on a public right there, I think

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Speaker 1: it's instrument on a couple levels. A, it presumes that

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Speaker 1: he gets to decide who's a Republican or not, which

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Speaker 1: I think that we all learn in twenty fifteen is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily how that entire guy game goes. But B

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Speaker 1: I think it does show that these people in this wing,

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Speaker 1: we haven't heard from them in a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: basically twenty fifteen and so yeah, Ted Cruz. He ran

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Speaker 1: for president, but even he wasn't talking all that much

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Speaker 1: about a Berger fell on the campaign trail in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and to the extent he was, he lost to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and Trump was like, I don't care about gay marriage,

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Speaker 1: and so everybody just kind of moved on. So from

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Speaker 1: that point forward, it really did become a test and

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Speaker 1: it was silent. It was, you know, established, they thought

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Speaker 1: it was settled. Clarence Thomas's descent really threw things for

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Speaker 1: a loop because it's now putting them back on the spot.

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Speaker 1: And look now that they do have the votes for

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Speaker 1: it for a lot of Republican hopefuls or not, I'm

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Speaker 1: personally of the opinion like, I don't think you pay

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Speaker 1: a price either way unless you literally are one of

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Speaker 1: those people like the Mike Pences or the Ted Cruisers

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Speaker 1: of the world who was a hardcore evangelical base. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so at that point, vote your conscience. So well we'll

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Speaker 1: find out, you know, we're exactly these people stand on this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, on the politics of this. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I didn't do this. I should have looked up when

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Speaker 1: those senators who voted to move this legislation forward when

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Speaker 1: they're up for reelection because obviously with the six year

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Speaker 1: terms in the Senate, if you're not up next time around,

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Speaker 1: you feel like you get a little more briefing room.

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Speaker 1: So that's one thing to consider. The other thing to

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Speaker 1: consider is, you know, theations very different for senators depending

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Speaker 1: on whether they are in a deep red state and

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Speaker 1: we're worried about a primary challenger to their right versus

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Speaker 1: in a swing state where if you vote against gay marriage.

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Speaker 1: At this point we're talking about this is a position

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Speaker 1: that seventy percent plus of the country will disagree with

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Speaker 1: you on, and by the way, a majority of Republicans,

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Speaker 1: which is also what I think is very striking about

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's comments here is obviously he's limiting this in

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Speaker 1: his like verbally to Republican elected office holders. But what

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Speaker 1: are you saying to the majority of Republicans at this

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Speaker 1: point who were like, you know what, we're good with it,

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Speaker 1: and we've moved on to other fights. I think it's

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Speaker 1: not just the Clarence Thomas, you know, affirming descent or

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Speaker 1: however they were that where he put back on the

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Speaker 1: table explicitly a Bergefell. I think it's also because a

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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives like Ben Shapiro and others feel like

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Speaker 1: they have gotten some traction with the there are attacks

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Speaker 1: on trans rites, and so that has also opened the

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Speaker 1: door to how far can we push this This stuff

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Speaker 1: drag shows all of that stuff, I think has also

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Speaker 1: sort of emboldened them to go back to some of

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Speaker 1: these arguments that they have been quiet on for quite

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Speaker 1: some years. Well, yeah, that's why I think it's weird.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a wrong move. I've actually openly said that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, you know, you want to fight about

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Speaker 1: gender ideology and whether you plug little kids full of hormones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's actually a winning fight and one that

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Speaker 1: should be fought. But on if you want to take

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Speaker 1: it back to gay marriage, I'm like, listen, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are of concerns about plugging little kids

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Speaker 1: full of hormones do not think that consenting adults shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to get married, and so when you put

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Speaker 1: it on religious and Christian grounds, then you're actually putting

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Speaker 1: yourself in a losing position. I've openly said this before

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Speaker 1: to a lot of them, and I do think that

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Speaker 1: it's part of the problem is that, look, a lot

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Speaker 1: of these people, they are deeply religious. They have felt

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Speaker 1: aggrieved on this front and have basically tried to fight

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Speaker 1: in a more secular realm of politics now. For quite

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Speaker 1: some time under Trump, they felt like they had won

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Speaker 1: abortion though was the greatest victory for a lot of

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Speaker 1: their lives, and it has now put them in a

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Speaker 1: position where they feel like they're winning. And all I

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Speaker 1: will say is good luck. After the you know, Luck

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01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: tried to tell you here about abortion and about how

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Speaker 1: people feel about that, even in deep red states, and

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: they didn't listen. And look the more I actually will

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: say this, if you care about the kid's issue and

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Speaker 1: gender ideology and all that stuff, making explicitly religious is

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Speaker 1: probably the single worst thing that you could do whenever

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Speaker 1: you're having that fight. Well, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw Rogan and Matt Walsh had a big

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: debate about Yeah, I saw that, which was which was

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Speaker 1: also very I mean, it was interesting, it was worth watching.

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Speaker 1: I thought Joe did a good job pushing back on

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Speaker 1: him because ultimately, Yeah, it came down he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to use the language of religion because I think he knows,

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: like you said, if you're trying to sell this to everyone,

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Speaker 1: just grounding it in your particular interpretation of your faith

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: is not going to be of you. That's held by

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: a large majority. But it was clear the only way

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01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: you could really defend this position is coming back to like,

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01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: this is a tenant of my religion, which is fine.

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01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: You believe what you want. Yeah, right, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: to a point. But I mean not to the point

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01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: that your beliefs are like infringing on other people's rights. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying again. Want you don't like

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: gay marriage, don't get gay married. That's fine for you

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Speaker 1: in your life. I mean, I have to say on

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Speaker 1: the on the kids piece, obviously we disagree on that

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01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: whole debate. But the other piece with that is, like

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you push a Matt Walsh or you

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01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: push a Ben Shapiro about they want to keep it

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01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: politically on the topic of kids because they have the

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: most political traction there. But if you ask them if

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01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: they've grown adults living their lives should be able to transition, no,

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: they don't think so I agree. I think that's a

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01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: big problem that's wildly unpopular. So anyway, this whole vote

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Speaker 1: with gay marriage, it is I do think it's a

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: problem for Republicans politically because a good chunk of their

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: base and many of these senators are really on the

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: wrong side issue. It is a little bit like abortion,

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: where the people you have a majority that are good

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: with gay marriage, but the people who are opposed are

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: more vocal and more influential in terms of Republican primaries.

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: So it's a tricky situation. And again we just saw

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: with abortion how potent it can be when people feel

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: like rights they have gained and take it for granted

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: are now being potentially rolled back. Yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: you know. On the kids front, I think is worth

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this. New York Times

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01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: actually did a decent write up about puberty blockers and

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01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: about the cost. I did see that. Let me ask

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01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Well, I do think that's important too.

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Speaker 1: But let me say that puberty blockers have been used

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Speaker 1: among girls who have early onset puberty for a lot

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01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: of years. So you know, the sudden, like obsessive concern

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01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: over it just seems more ideological than it is based

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Speaker 1: in like concern over kids. Now, I think there should

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01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: be more research. I mean, part of the problems they're

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: not sufficient research to know if this has long term impacts.

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Speaker 1: The whole idea of puberty blockers is just to buy

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01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: some time so that you know, you can wait a

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01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: few years before you do undertake some of the things

1335
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: like the hormone therapy. That's the part where things start

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01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: to be more irreversible. Puberty blockers, you just stop taking

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: them and then you go through puberty. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like cost as we learn from this, right, but it's

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: still like being researched. But there is also a cost

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: to gender dysphoria and to the fact that you have

1341
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, increased rates of suicide and increased rates of

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: like depression and anxiety. So it's not like that is

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01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: without a cost as well. So I am totally open

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: and I think we should be able to have a

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: good faith debate about what the care protocol should look

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01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: like for children who are trans and you know, for

1347
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: their parents trying to figure all of this out. There's

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of debate within the community about how long

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01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: is the consultation period, how you know, when do you

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: start puberty blockers, how long does that go on, what

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01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: about hormone therapy. All of that is totally up for debate.

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: But again to go back to people like Matt Walsh

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01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: and Ben Shapiro. Ultimately, they don't think you should be

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01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: able to do this at any age, at any point period. Yeah. Look,

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: and this is why I'm not welcome with a lot

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: of these people because I'm like, listen, I just think

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: we should talk about kids. I was like, I saw it.

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: You know, if you're an adult, you're eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think there's a lot to be

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01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: said about irreversibly changing your body. But you could do

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01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 1: what you want. You know, if you get a tattoo,

1362
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: you could go do this to yourself if you want to.

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of one of those places where they

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: have libertarianism to an extent, you know, on something economic,

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: not even necessarily in economics. On other social beliefs, Walsh

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: is actually pro weed. I need to go back and

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: check to see if he is or not, but I'm

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: pretty sure that he is. But then on this, it's like,

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: well we should ban it. And in general front Americans

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01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: do not like to ban things specifically for adults, like overwhelmingly,

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01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: that's not what they're for. That's why, as you said,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, everybody converges on the kids.

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: And again, I think it's a very important fight. That

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: being said, you know, the divergence and the real political

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: ground is it can't be a religious discussion and it

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01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: also can't be one that impedes on the ability for

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: adults to basically do within reason, whatever you want it right,

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: And I think that is where it's just real. It

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: really is one of those where if you don't give

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: that up, you're gonna lose the whole fight on all

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: of this. Anyway, I think it's very interesting. All right,

1382
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next part. Katar. You guys

1383
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: knew that I couldn't resist a good Qatar story. Fun backstory.

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: I lived in Qatar, went to high school there my

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01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: last two years, actually was there whenever they got the

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Speaker 1: World Cup. So this is kind of interesting for me. Well,

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01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people are finding out what I found

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: out in Katar. Turns out, Crystal, they don't have free

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: speech over there, they don't have the First Amendment, they

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: don't really like gay people. In response to our previous segment,

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: turns out that the Prince's brother decided just on a whim,

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: I don't like these alcohol tents next to my World

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01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,480
Speaker 1: Cup facility and moved them on a whim, forcing millions

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: of dollars to be able to put them quote out

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01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: of sight. People who are drinking at the World Cup

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: are going to have to drink, get on a bus

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: for forty five minutes really, and then come to Larry

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01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: the state. That's like you know when you pregame a

1399
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: wedding and then you get in one of those buses

1400
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: that and you're like, oh shit, You're like with this

1401
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: better last all the way I get to the venue.

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01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: So good luck to all of the folks who are

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01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: suffering Qatar, as I did while I was over there.

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: A perfect explanation illustration of this was a Danish reporter

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01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: was doing a live shot in a totally public area

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of Doha in Qatar, and he had

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01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: all the accreditations that since been confirmed. He had the accreditations,

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01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: his papers, his filming permit, all of that. He was

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01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: doing a simple shot there talking about that, and immediately

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01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of a segment comes up and starts

1411
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: being harassed by Qatari authorities for filming in a public place.

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01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: Let's watch what happened there, Slim who said fun he

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01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: did kasik but then Obli two for hatinu j we

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01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: alive on Danish television. All that can say if all

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: in the hair, mister, you invited the whole world to

1416
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: the You invited the whole world to come here. Why

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 1: can't we film It's a public place, this is the acquiditation.

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01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: We can film anywhere we want. They are only of course, no, no, no,

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: we don't need fami no no, but but listen, but

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01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: you can break the camera. You want to break them? Okay,

1421
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: break the camera. Okay, so you're threatening us by bye

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: bye by smashing the camera? Oh my god, can you

1423
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: mash them? Apparently wasn't threatening to smash the camera. He

1424
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: was like, no, yeah, I have a friend who got

1425
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: very upset with me, by the way, for highlighting this.

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01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: It was like to say, we're saying in Arabic, no,

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: just bring the camera over here. I was like, that

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: doesn't excuse the entire situation. And by the way, the

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: Qatari government has since apologized for that, so they're admitting

1430
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: actually wrong, that they shouldn't have been doing that. But listen,

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: it's a country. It's a theocratic monarchy, folks. Frankly, those

1432
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: shouldn't even exist in the year twenty twenty two, and

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: I encourage everybody to go and watch this new Netflix series.

1434
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: It's like FIFA Uncovered or something, which goes exactly into

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: how the Katari's and all them other bribe they're away

1436
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: into this and just the absurdities through which we have

1437
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: gone through to grant this nation the World Cup. It

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: seems like completely corrupt, right, not only process, not only

1439
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: completely corrupt, but let's consider this. They had to disrupt

1440
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: all of the major soccer schedules to hold it in

1441
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: December just to have in Katar. Qatar has now spent

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01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: some one hundred and twenty billion dollars on facilities for

1443
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: this and it hasn't even worked. You know, there are

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01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: videos coming out of Katar of temporary shipping containers being

1445
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: used as hotels which genuinely look like they're out of

1446
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: the fire festival from the Bahamas, like plastic little doors.

1447
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: It's all out there. People can go and watch it.

1448
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: And why do I care? I mean me personally because

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: living in Katar was the first time that I never

1450
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: had free speech, and I remember watching these you know,

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: it was a weird situation for me personally because I'm Indian,

1452
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: but Americans so they couldn't screw with me because I

1453
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: was an American, but watching the way that these Indian

1454
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: labors were treated, it killed me every day, you know.

1455
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: I remember they used to have these fake rules where

1456
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: like if you're a single male, you can't go into

1457
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: some public places on Friday, which is like the one

1458
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: day off for everybody. And if you're a single male

1459
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: who is an American, they're like, oh, yeah, you're good.

1460
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: And they would keep these labors just basically like sitting

1461
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: out in the middle on their one day off of working,

1462
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: not allowing them to do anything. They literally seize their passports.

1463
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: They're treated not even second class citizens, they're like third class,

1464
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: like straight up like effectively modern day slaves. I mean,

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: I've actually visited some of the camps. Like I walked

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01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: into a place to buy cigarettes when I was fifteen,

1467
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: sorry mom, and saw like fifteen different guys living in

1468
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: a single in like a single room literally with beds

1469
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: on the floor. It's basic squalor probably yeah, And they

1470
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: were telling me like, you know, oh, we don't have

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01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: our passport. We came to go home, like one of

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01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: it gets hurt. It's a real problem. Nobody knows how

1473
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: many of them died and constructing these World Cup facilities.

1474
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: It's a catastrophe, and everybody looks the way because they

1475
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: happen to have been born, these people on a pile

1476
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: of money, natural gas and in oil, and it's disgusting,

1477
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: it's corrupt, and frankly, you know my personal opinion, I

1478
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: think they played themselves because they can't give up, you know,

1479
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: their religion and the way that they run their society.

1480
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: And now the entire Western world is about to get

1481
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: a full view into how basically backwards and incompetent that

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Speaker 1: they really. Yeah, I mean they're under a microscope now.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the fire festival. It's terrible. It's not

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Speaker 1: quite as bad a fit, but it is just basically

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: like shipping container. Ask you said. Now, I read a

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Speaker 1: long piece about the migrant laborers that they depend on

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Speaker 1: and that they especially depended on to construct this World

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Speaker 1: Cup stadium and facility, and it really it is just disturbing.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely hard breaking. The estimate is that thousands

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Speaker 1: of migrant workers have died building these facilities, many more

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Speaker 1: of them because you're talking. I mean it's freaking hot there,

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Speaker 1: I mean one hundred and twenty degrees in the summer

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: not uncommon, and they're working outside in the elements. So

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Speaker 1: even the ones who then survive, many of them have

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: lifelong ailments because of the stress and the toll that

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Speaker 1: the heat took on their body, including kidney failure that

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Speaker 1: they have no ability to get treatment for. And so

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Speaker 1: it's very disturbing. You know, Indians Nepali is a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, absolutely, it is pretty heartbreaking. And they

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Speaker 1: used to have a policy where they would let employers

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01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: hold your passport so you can't leave. Now they have

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01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: technically gotten rid of that, but it's not enforced there.

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01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: It's still going on all kinds of wage theft, all

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Speaker 1: kinds because you know, you're talking about people who are desperate,

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01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: who don't have work back in the villages that they

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01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: come from, so you know, they're willing to take on

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01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: debt to get these jobs to go to you know,

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: Katar and other places in the region, and ultimately they're

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01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: just at the whims and mercy of their employer and

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01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: sometimes with deadly results. It is such a weird experience

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Speaker 1: for somebody who grew up in the West to be

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01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: in a situation like this, because I was like, man,

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01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: this is really messed up, and people would be like, hey, dude,

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: you need shut up. They're like, if you say that,

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: you're like your whole family's going to get kicked out

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: of this country. And I was like, oh my god,

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe they were living this way. I could

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01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: tell stories about this all day long. But I think

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: it's a very good illustration of like why caving to

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 1: these people just because they have a ton of money

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01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: is corrupt and it's morally bankrupt. So that clip really

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: put a lot, I think, for the world, and there's

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01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more to come. I can't

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: say I'm not sad. I can't say I'm not too

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: happy about it. Let's go to the next part, which

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01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: is even more important and illustrates why, you know, dealing

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Speaker 1: with despotic regimes like this is a problem. Put this

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01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: up there for the one million plus visitors who are

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01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: visiting Qatar for the World Cup. Qatar is requiring them

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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: to download an app on their phone. Well, European privacy

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01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: regulators are like, do not download that app. That app

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: is a massive security and spyware threat. Here's what they

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01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: here's what they say. The German Data Protection Commissioner said

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01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: that data collected by the apps that goes quote much

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01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: further than any of their privacy notices indicate one of

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: the apps collects data on whether and which number a

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01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: telephone call is made. The other app actively prevents the

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: device on it is installed from going into sleep mode.

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: It is also obvious that the data used by the

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01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: apps not only remain locally on the device, but is

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01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: then transmitted to a central server. The German data chief

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01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: it is app says only do it if it is

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: absolutely necessary, and then go do so on another air

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: gapped blank phone, which does not include turn down a

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01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: Jesus correct. Norway also said it was quote alarmed by

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01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: the extensive access that these apps require quote there is

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01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: a real possibility visitors to Qatar, and especially vulnerable groups,

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01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: will be monitored by Qatari authorities. The French are telling

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01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: their fans you need to take special care with your

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01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,799
Speaker 1: photos and videos and say that travelers should install apps

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01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: only before their departure and delete it as soon as

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01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: you arrive back in France. So I mean at least

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01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: has a little sophisticated with efforts. This is just out

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01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,879
Speaker 1: and out, this is very estanity you know to have. Again,

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01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: nobody is no like France, for example, has huge and

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: close ties to Qatar, so all the Europeans are willing

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: to say this even though they buy a ton of

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01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: Qatar is one of the largest LNG reserves in the world.

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: They have been literally labeled as straight up quote spyware,

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01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 1: literally give the Qatari authorities the access to all of

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01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: the data on your phone. Furthermore, I was reading that

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Speaker 1: Qatar because they want to have basically AstroTurf fans, was like,

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01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: we are offering fans around the world a round trip

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: ticket to and from Doha, accommodation, all of that, the

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01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: experience of a lifetime, but you better not say one

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01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: bad word about Qatar. And as part of your free trip,

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01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: you were required to report social media postings of anybody

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Speaker 1: that you see who is saying bad things about Qatar.

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01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: And it just so happened, by the way, I got

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01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: a flood of messages after I started posting about what's

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01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: happening there from not only people who I went to

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: high school with, but a bunch of fake anonymous like

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01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: Arabic accounts, effectively calling me like an Indian dog or

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: something like that. But it just shows you, look, these

1575
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: people are very sensitive, and I have always thought that

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01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: they're only the only thing they had going for them

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: is nobody really cared or knew anything about Qatar, And

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01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: so look the whole world they're finding out. They're under

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01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: a microscope. Now, yeah, absolutely, Crystal, what are you taking

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01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: a look at? Well, in the popular vote, another thing

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: that's not discussed. For the House, we must remember that

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01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: Republicans won five million more votes, the largest margin in many,

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: many years over the Democrats. Five million more votes. That's

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01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: a big thing. Famously, back in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: won more votes than Trump, but ultimately, of course lost

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01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: the presidency because of a structural disadvantage for Democrats in

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01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 1: the absurd electoral college system. Well, suddenly Republicans are a

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01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: lot more interested in the popular vote because for the

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01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, that dynamic actually flipped.

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01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: So in the overall popular vote, President Trump there is correct.

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01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: The House actually did shift pretty significantly towards Republicans. Counting

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01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: is still going on, but Republicans will end up with

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01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: maybe about a four point edge in the nationwide popular

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,440
Speaker 1: vote for the House. In spite of that, however, Democrats

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01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: are only losing the Chamber by the narrowest of margins,

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 1: outperforming their overall popular vote total. The big reason for

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01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: this is that Republicans wildly outperformed in non competitive districts

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01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: that Trump had previously overwhelmingly won. But if you show

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01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: up in droves in a district that you already hold

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01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: doesn't help you any in terms of picking up seats.

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: All the actions in the swing districts, and here the

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01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: Republican record is a lot less impressive. In the type

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01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: of seats that they needed to win in order to

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: manifest that full red wave, they underperformed. So here from

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01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: Patrick Graffini is a chart that shows exactly what I'm

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01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: talking about. In the nearly one hundred and sixty solid

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01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: red seats where Trump had previously won really easily, Republicans romped.

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01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: They voted around seven points, even more Republican in twenty

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01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: twenty two than they did back in twenty twenty. But

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01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: the GOP had their most underwhelming performance in the purple

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: swing districts where Biden had narrowly won. So in seats

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01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 1: that Biden won by between zero and five points, Republicans

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: managed to only improve a couple of points on their

1614
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: previous margins, enough to narrowly reclaim the House, but just barely.

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01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,759
Speaker 1: The exuberant performance in Trump Country boosted their popular vote numbers,

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01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: but it did nothing for them in terms of flipping

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01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: seats in order to achieve a larger House majority. Now,

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01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: the reason for GOP underperformance in those swing districts is

1619
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 1: pretty clear. Trump and has stopped the steel ob sessions

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01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: were very popular in deep red areas and were completely

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01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: toxic among independents. Nate Cohen at The New York Times

1622
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: crudged the numbers on exactly how much of a drag

1623
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: Trump and his conspiracies were on candidates, and the verdict

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01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: was it was a total, unmitigated disaster. MAGA candidates, on

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01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: average performed about five points worse than what they labeled

1626
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: traditional Republican candidates in swing districts. That penalty was even higher.

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: In the districts that were truly competitive, MAGA type candidates

1628
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: performed about six and a half points worse than those

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01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: traditional Republicans. Now, there were some high profile examples of

1630
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: underperformance that back those numbers up. You've got Lauren Bobert,

1631
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: who underperformed Trump by about eight points, and by the way,

1632
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: her race still has not been called it's going to

1633
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: a recount. Marjorie Taylor Green is in a deep red

1634
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: safe district, but she oo underperformed Trump by about six points.

1635
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: Herschel Walker underperformed fellow Republican Brian Kemp by about eight points. Now,

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01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: to state the obvious for Republicans, this is a big problem.

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01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: Trump's influence still hangs heavily over the party. He single

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01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: handedly made stop to steal a critical litmus test issue

1639
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two Republican primaries, and although there

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01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: is a lot of a lead hope that voters are

1641
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: ready to move on from that, there isn't a lot

1642
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: of evidence for that claim at this point. For now,

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01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: Trump is the Republican front runner for twenty twenty four.

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01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: But this data also contains a warning for Democrats. What

1645
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: it makes clear is that without Trump pulling candidates down

1646
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: by six and seven points where it matters, the predicted

1647
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: red tsunami would have been in full effect. You're talking

1648
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: a large GOP majority in the House, likely a clean

1649
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: sweep of the toss up races in the Senate to

1650
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: give the GOP a several seat margin to work with.

1651
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: If they had run the table in the toss ups

1652
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: and picked off places like New Hampshire, all doable. Without

1653
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: that Trump drag, the GOP could have been on track

1654
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: for a super majority in twenty twenty four. Bottom line,

1655
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: without Trump and without Row, Democrats would have gotten their

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01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: asses handed to them, which explains why now a number

1657
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: of Democrats are out there openly hoping for Trump to

1658
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 1: win the GOP nomination once again. Bernie Sanders was pretty

1659
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: honest on this point, tell in New York Times quote

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01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: as an American, the idea of another Trump campaign, in

1661
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: all of his lives and divisiveness and his efforts to

1662
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: undermine American democracy is an absolute horror show. On the

1663
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: other hand, I got to say that as a politician

1664
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: who wants to see that no Republican has elected the

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01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: White House in twenty twenty four, from that perspective, his

1666
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: candidacy is probably a good thing. Trump's next level insanity

1667
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: that has helped Democrats to paper over their own failings

1668
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 1: and inadequacies. There is simply no doubt without Roe and Trump,

1669
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: Biden's low approval and the poor economy would have led

1670
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: to a traditional midterm shellacking that would have forced a

1671
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: round of wrenching soul searching, but instead of an autopsy.

1672
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: Democrats are celebrating they were bailed out once again by

1673
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: the Orange. Save from haiming and consider how they might

1674
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 1: do more for Americans and deliver more than the baby

1675
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: steps of decent policy that I outlined here previously. And

1676
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: like Bernie, I'm kind of conflicted on this point, because

1677
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: I too would rather have Democrats and control at least

1678
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum for the working class and at

1679
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: least staffing the NLRB with decent personnel, than to have

1680
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: Republicans actively making everything worse for workers. But Trump's grip

1681
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: on the GOP will end at some point, whether he's

1682
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: tossed overboard by the GOP primary base or by the

1683
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: general electorate. This is pretty likely to be the last

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01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: cycle we actually have to deal with him, and when

1685
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: he's gone, Democrats have better house, some real answers, be

1686
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: ready to deliver more than the bare minimum for ordinary

1687
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: Americans because the Trump bailout has an expiration date and

1688
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: that is coming fast. I mean, saga, Listen, Democrats are

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01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: celebrating right now, and if you want to hear my

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01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a Premium subscriber today. At breakingpoints,

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Speaker 1: Dot com all right, saga aready looking at well? When

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes was finally revealed as a fraud by John

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01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: Carey of The Wall Street Journal, there was a lot

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01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: of blame to go around, first her and her partner

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01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: in crime, Sonny Balwani, for scamming people, but also the

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01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,480
Speaker 1: due diligence that New York City and DC elite billionaires

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01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: had in pumping her company full of billions of investment

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01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: for a genuinely fake product they never bothered to check.

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01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: But the reckoning that never came was for the media.

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01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: Holme's ability to scam elites and scam Walgreens, and to

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01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: deal with her genuinely hurt people's lives. It was based,

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: in part by the Steve Jobsmith that she created for herself,

1703
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: hand in glove with the mass media. Forbes Magazine, Fortune Magazine, Inc. Magazine,

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01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: the New York Times magazine. Every single one of them

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01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: had hay geographic view of Elizabeth Holmes as a visionary entrepreneur,

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01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: at last, a self made woman on the Billionaire's list.

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01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: They let their excitement at girl Boss feminism overlook any

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01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: real scrutiny of the company itself, and so when thereos crumbled,

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01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: they simply moved on. It's in that name that we

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01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: got to continue looking at Sam Bankman Freed, who appears

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01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: to have borrowed from the Homes Playbook but taken it

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01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: up a notch even further. I wasn't the only one

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01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: that noticed SBF's similarity treatment by the very same magazines

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01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: at Home wants Grace to cover of. But SBF is

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01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: no Elizabeth Holmes. Frankly, he was smarter. Holmes merely just

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01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: charmed the National press. SBF appears to have done everything

1717
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: he can to buy them off while also charming them.

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01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: He not only was treated the same as Holmes was

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01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: by the National Press, but he went further, making sure

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01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 1: to fund left aligned news outlets, including but not limited

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01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: to Pro Publica, The Intercept, the newly launched Semaphore, and

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01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Box News. All that funding, of course backed by his

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01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: potentially ill gotten gains, but it also explains the extraordinarily

1724
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: odd incident right now, which it really just underscored this.

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01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: The New York Times got what should have been the

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01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: scoop of the century, an interview with SBF after his

1727
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: potentially illegal diverting of ten billion dollars in customer funds

1728
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: came to light and after his company went completely bankrupt,

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01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: and so yet the way that it was written was

1730
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: completely insane. The interviewer accepted as fact SBF's explanation for

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01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: diverting ten billion of customer funds from the exchange. What

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01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,799
Speaker 1: really struck everyone, though, was what not included in the article.

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01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: As trunk Fan points out, the word fraud, crime, illiquid, stolen, hidden, criminal,

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01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: backdoor did not make one appearance in the story, a

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01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,520
Speaker 1: story written after he was exposed as at a minimum

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01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: historically incompetent and possibly actively a criminal. The explanation for

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 1: this press treatment is belied by several obvious factors. Number

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01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: one is embarrassment The Times crowned SBF the quote crypto emperor,

1739
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: so downplaying how much of a fraud they ended up

1740
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: to be, I guess is in their reputational interests. But

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01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: the other one is this too. SBF was a weirdly

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01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: ideological ally to the National press in a way that

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01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Holmes never was. He funded them. He was the second

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01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: largest Democratic donor this year, beaten only by George Soros.

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01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: He spent some thirty seven million dollars during the last

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01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: election cycle, with the overwhelming majority of it going to

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01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 1: Democratic candidates. He donated half a million to the DNC.

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01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: But here's really it's important to really dig down. It

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01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: wasn't just an SBF was just a Democrat because he

1750
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: was using his potentially ill gotten gains to try and

1751
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: influence Washington for a very selfish purpose. What many aren't

1752
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: realizing is that while SBF was the leftist front man

1753
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: at the top, his top lieutenant, Ryan Salim, was also

1754
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: pumping nineteen million dollars to Republican congressional candidates and committees.

1755
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: He was actually the tenth largest donor to the entire GOP.

1756
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Why were they conducting this multi pronged assault, you ask, well,

1757
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: SBF and his proxies were donating millions to the uniparty

1758
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: in Washington and cultivating the press because they were trying

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01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: to legalize their leverage trading platform in the US. It's

1760
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: that simple, the exact type of leverage that caused them

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01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: to go bust in the first place. Their money was

1762
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: propping up not only new media outlets, but several lobbying

1763
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: shops of very high acclaim here in DC. And the

1764
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: lesson to me is just exposing how corrupt this system

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01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: really is. If you're a billionaire. With the right ideology,

1766
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: the right amount of checks, cut to the right people,

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01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: you can make a hell of a lot happen in

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01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: a very short period of time. You can get the

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01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: press to cover you even when you've been exposed. You

1770
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: can come inches away from actually getting what you want.

1771
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Remember this FTX only went busts because of Elite document

1772
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: and the liquidity crunch. If that document never came out,

1773
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: we would still be chugging along. He would likely have

1774
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 1: prevailed in adopting a regulatory framework which would have only

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01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: made him ten times richer in the US, and it

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01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 1: would set him up to have wealth on par with

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01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos in like five years. If it was this

1778
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: easy for SBF, imagine what the real titans of industry

1779
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: are doing behind the scenes. Imagine how many of them

1780
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: are just full of it as he is. I mean,

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01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: that was an unbelievable expose a to me. A lot

1782
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: of people online are talking about and if you want

1783
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium

1784
01:31:55,080 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Matt, it's great to

1785
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: see welcome backe Man. Thanks for having me back. So

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01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize you're also writing a book right

1787
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: now to deal with the crypto years as they've been.

1788
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: But just give us your top line view of what

1789
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: has happened here with FDx and Sam Bankman Freed. Well,

1790
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: it's actually not a terribly news story, unfortunately. It's just

1791
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: that this is a story that has elements of things

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01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: that we've seen in the past on Wall Street. There

1793
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: is the dot com revolution, where you know, you had

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01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: all these people investing huge sums of money into companies

1795
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:39,719
Speaker 1: that had no plan, like no pitch, there are no numbers,

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01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,799
Speaker 1: no nothing. That was pretty common back in the nineties,

1797
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: and that seems to be the case with FTX and

1798
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: Sam Bankman Freed. There's the total absence of record keeping

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01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: or any kind of any kind of numbers that would

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01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: help an internal auditor figure out what's going on, which

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01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: is pretty much what we saw with Bernie May and on,

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01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: and that somehow they're banker ignored for a dozen years,

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01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: and you know, there were so there's a lot of

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01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: elements to scandals that we've seen before, and I think

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01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: that this is probably just the beginning of some stuff

1806
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen in the crypto world going forward. Even

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01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: though I think it's a good idea in principle, right,

1808
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 1: And so, Matt, you covered so extensively the two thousand

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01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 1: and eight moment and crash and the aftermath. We talked

1810
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: a lot here about how this was a quote Lehman moment.

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01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: You were speaking before to us about Bernie Madoff and

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01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: some of the history that that is aligned. Can you

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01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: lay some of that out for people who were maybe

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01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: too young at the time to remember some of the details. Yeah,

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01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean made Off was really just a straight up

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01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme where he convinced a bunch of He was

1817
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: wealthy himself, obviously, and he was telling wealthy clients that

1818
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 1: he could deliver and nible returns and he showed them,

1819
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, h records of returns that he was delivering. Actually,

1820
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: it was just a Ponzi scheme. He was taking money

1821
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 1: from new investors and using it to pay out to

1822
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: old investors, which is the oldest trick in the book.

1823
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 1: And there were no actual trades. There was a there

1824
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: was an investor named Harry Markoppolis or an investigator who

1825
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: told the SEC about this like ten years before it

1826
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: blew up. But a thing that Americans don't know is

1827
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: there's no there's nobody in the American government who investigates

1828
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: their regulates hedge funds, so this just went unnoticed. And

1829
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's not that much different for investment banks, which

1830
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: is how two thousand and eight happened, because there were

1831
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: all these messes in places like Lehman Brothers where they

1832
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: had basically no money and they were borrowing massively, and

1833
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, one day the piper, you had to pay

1834
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the piper eventually, and it turned out they had no cash.

1835
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 1: And the problem with the modern financial system is everybody's interrelated,

1836
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: and so when one goes, there's always the possibility that

1837
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: a whole slew of others are going to go with them.

1838
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of the problem here. There's a

1839
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: tweet that is going viral again that I want to

1840
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 1: see if you think is a fair characterization or rough

1841
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 1: approximation of a fair characterization, that says, I'm sick of

1842
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: people calling everything in crypto a Ponzi scheme. Some crypto

1843
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: projects are pump and dump schemes, others are pyramid schemes.

1844
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Others are just standard issue fraud. Others are just middle

1845
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: men skimming off the top stop glossing over the diversity

1846
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: in the industry. That's pretty I mean, that's very funny. Look,

1847
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: I hate to joke about this because I think crypto

1848
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: is a good idea. Actually, you know, it's it was

1849
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: designed actually specifically to get around the problems of two

1850
01:35:54,880 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. The blockchain technology is there that people

1851
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: can basically have a record of all transactions and then

1852
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: you get around the problem of centralized finance. Right, this

1853
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: is the big thing that they're after is to get

1854
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 1: get away from the problem of some body above all

1855
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,440
Speaker 1: the customers who's kind of telling you what's going on financially,

1856
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 1: but you don't get to see. And in an ideal world,

1857
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 1: that's how it would work. But this is this is

1858
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: the exact opposite of that that this is Sam Bankman

1859
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: Freed was basically just borrowing from Peter to pay Paul

1860
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: between these two companies, which is the definition of centralized finance.

1861
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: This is right, This is exactly what they weren't supposed

1862
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: to be doing well. And so where does the hopeful

1863
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 1: promise and idealism of crypto, like, is there a way

1864
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 1: to do this where it doesn't end up with just

1865
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: like total fraudsters rising to the top, because you know,

1866
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: it seems to me one of the lessons from two

1867
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: thousand and eight wasn't like let's go in a totally

1868
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: unregulated direction. It was like, oh, we actually need to

1869
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: go back to some of the old guardrails that used

1870
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: to make banking more boring frankly, and used to separate

1871
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 1: the like wild speculative thing like what Alameda was doing

1872
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: from the you know, boring business of like regular customer banking.

1873
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: So do you think that there is a way to

1874
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: do this that doesn't end up in the same place. Yeah,

1875
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: I think so. I think you need you need some

1876
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 1: basic regulations. I think those regulations probably already exist. It

1877
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: would just take it's just a question of the relevant authorities,

1878
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:40,440
Speaker 1: like the CFTC deciding that certain companies qualify for regulation

1879
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: under existing laws. And then once once you have that,

1880
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: then you'll you'll probably have sufficient authority to go in

1881
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: and make sure there's no hanky panky going on. But

1882
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: I do think that similar to what happened in the

1883
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 1: dot com revolution, where you had all these web bands

1884
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: and e toys and all the other all these other

1885
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 1: frauds tames, you know, sucking up massive amounts of money

1886
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: but in the end we did end up with Google

1887
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: and Amazon and other companies that were major revolutionary, you

1888
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: know companies. I think that's going to happen with crypto.

1889
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 1: I think there will be there will be products ethreim

1890
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: bitcoin maybe that will survive and they will become something

1891
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: that will grow out of all this. But for the

1892
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: time being, it's it's the wild West. And what anytime

1893
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: you have a loose monetary environment, lots and lots of

1894
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: places to borrow money and not a whole lot of

1895
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: places to put it. This is what's going to happen,

1896
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: is stuff like this. Yep. I think it's really well said. Well,

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01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us, Matt. We really appreciate it. Man,

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01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: great to see Matt, good to see both. Thanks very much. Yeah,

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01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: our pleasure. Thank you guys so much for watching. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. We got the live shows going on

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Speaker 1: New York Boston. Links are going to be down in

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Speaker 1: the description of the video for those of us who

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Speaker 1: can help us out look the premium membership. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we're building up for twenty twenty four. We've got two

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Speaker 1: new great hires that we're going to announce very very

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Speaker 1: soon here on the show. I think you guys will

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Speaker 1: be really excited. We're really just happy with you know.

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Speaker 1: Things are getting professional. We've got some upgrades we want

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Speaker 1: to do here, hire more people, give you guys the

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Speaker 1: best possible coverage that we can link us down there

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Speaker 1: in description. Otherwise, counterpoints will be tomorrow and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys next week. Love you guys, See you soon.