1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: my name is Nola. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you are here. 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: And that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: to know. As the West collectively tries to survive the summer, 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: or dare I say, the entirety of the northern hemisphere, 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: we have good news. This may well be the coldest 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: summer of the rest of your life. We're so glad 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: that you decided to spend some time with us this evening. 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: We're excited. We're fans of you, fellow conspiracy realists, and 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: that's why this is one of our favorite times of 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: the week. It's when we get to hear from you. 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: This is our weekly listener mail segment. We are going 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: to learn about some heist in the world of trading cards. 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about something that fascinated all three 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: of us. In the world of trading cards, you could 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: say it has a ring to it. And we're also 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: we're also going to hear a great anonymous letter explaining 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: some of our questions about the TUPAC investigation. That's true. 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: We're going to hear about some inspiring slash hilarious billionaire 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 1: hobbies before we do any of that. We are going 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: to follow up on an earlier promise from the week 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: previous where we wanted to talk about exorcisms. We got 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: some fantastic letters. Maybe we start there because we teased 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: letter from our fellow conspiracy realist Moshit, and we didn't 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: quite get to that letter, But we're gonna make good 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: on it now, right. 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And just to update on those computer issues, Ben, 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: Almost as you finished speaking there, my computer made the 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: riverside recording happen and then it cut off. So ah, 36 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: but we fooled you this time riverside because I'm recording 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: an audition. 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Gotcha, can't stop the signal, that's right. 39 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: So let's hear the message we were going to read 40 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: last time from Musha. Here comes team stuff they don't 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: want you to know. Comma, I recently finished listening to 42 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: your episode regarding the Exorcist files, and I have to admit, 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed that Ryan didn't reach out to 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: another community that also practices exorcisms, the Jewish community. That's right, 45 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: conspiracy realists and hobbyists. The Jewish people also practice exorcisms, 46 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: specifically casting out a type of malevolent spirit known as 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: a dibbuk or a dibbuk dybbuk, though at times demons 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: are also the perpetrators. Oh, those pesky demons. The practice 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: can be traced back as far as King Solomon, makes 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 2: sense and is still used in the circles of the Orthodoxy, 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: but widely hushed or laughed about by the modern conservative 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: and reform movements of Judaism. Now common knowledge would direct 53 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: you to the twenty twelve film The Possession, which is 54 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: allegedly based on a real life object known as the 55 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Dibbuk Box, which was supposedly a Holocaust relic portable wine bar. 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: It was passed off as a quote inspired by a 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: true story, unquote account of Jewish exorcism. However, the account 58 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: was confessed to be a hoax by the original owner 59 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: of said box. Well that's kind of disappointing everybody, all right, Well, 60 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: let's get back to it. Actual Jewish exorcism, though, well, 61 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: the Catholics had to get their ideas from. So how 62 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: would I know because I have personally witnessed such an event. Ooh, guys, 63 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: get ready, here comes. Let me give you an overly 64 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: simplified look at it. By my experience, a Jewish exorcism 65 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: is performed in the presence of a mignon or a 66 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: prayer gathering of ten or more men, using tools such 67 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: as smoke or burning sulfur to tempt the spirit out 68 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: a tifolin, which, guys, this is a term I was 69 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: unaware of until we got this message. So just quickly 70 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: talk about what that is. 71 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: Tifolin the string, right, or like the thing that goes 72 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 3: around the belt. 73 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: There are these tiny black leather boxes, that's right. Sorry, yep, 74 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: And I didn't I get Honestly, guys, I had no 75 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: idea what this was. Tiny black leather boxes. They contain 76 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: excerpts from Deuteronomy and Exodus written in Hebrew like inside 77 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: the box themselves. And then those boxes are attached to 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: leather straps which are wrapped around the body, and often 79 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: one is placed on the head, on the forehead somewhere, 80 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: and another one is often placed on the arm and 81 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: that is to place them close to your mind basically 82 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: and your heart, so when you pray, the word of 83 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: God is close to your body. 84 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: If you are not familiar with this practice and you're 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: a fan of film in the West, you may recognize 86 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: the use of this or the appearance of this process 87 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: in the film Pie Absolutely Ben. 88 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: That is a great example of where you can see 89 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: these perfect So let's go back to the message here 90 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: from Mosha. Another thing that's used during an exorcism in 91 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: this faith are blasts from a shofar. Just another term, 92 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: make sure everybody knows what it is. A shafar is 93 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: a musical rams horn. And if you're a fan of 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: Curb your enthusiasm and you've seen season eleven, you've seen 95 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: a hilarious cameo of a shofar in episode four Watermelon, 96 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: fantastic episode. And back to the message. Also, passages are 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: read from a torah, and just the presence of a 98 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: torah is important. And even prayers and psalms that were 99 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: found in the Dead Sea scrolls fascinating stuff. The dibok 100 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: or demon is then identified and the rabbi uses its 101 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: name to command it out. That's very important. That goes 102 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: back to King Solomon's stuff, the Lesser and the other 103 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: keys of Solomon. It's all about identifying what you know, 104 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: creature is inside there, at least according to those who 105 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: believe that there is an actual demon or dibbock or 106 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: somebody in you know, something possessing a person. 107 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: That's interesting if you think about like fairy tales too, 108 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: like rumpel Stiltskin's all about like naming, you know, the name, 109 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 3: having someone's name. It's almost like implied to have to 110 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: give you power over the thing. I just think it 111 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: just made me occurred to me that perhaps some of 112 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: those tropes in literature and fables and stuff are pulled 113 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: from this kind of you know culture. 114 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Mm hm oh, agreed. Let's go back to the message here. 115 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: In some schools of thought or philosophy of Kabbalah, if 116 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: dealing with a dbuk, there may be an attempt to 117 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: quote repair the broken spirit, to make it pure and 118 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: whole again. Fascinating stuff. The idea of repairing someone through 119 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: that process, not just you know, making an entity. Leave 120 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: back to the message. A Jewish exorcism is typically seen 121 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: as successful if the rabbi and Mignon witness bleeding from 122 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: a fingernail or toenail, or if the spirit violently exits 123 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 2: from the throat the nether regions like the sexual parts 124 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: or the rectum, and the afflicted shows an immediate change 125 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: in behavior. Fascinating. Continuing here, I should note Jewish exorcisms 126 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: are not always successful, though I know very little of 127 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: what happens in such an event. Anyhow, I thought you'd 128 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: find it interesting that the practice of casting out evil 129 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: spirits and demons isn't just limited to Catholics and Protestants. 130 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: If you'd like to hear about my personal experience witnessing it, 131 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: feel free to reach out. You can call me Mosha 132 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: should you choose to read this on air. Lahaiam Aahim. 133 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, this is awesome because you pointed this out. 134 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: In a previous Listener mail segment, Matt, we spoke about 135 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: several non Christian, non Judeo Christian exorcism rights and things 136 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: like exorcism in the Muslim faith. Right. We talked about 137 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: exorcisms in other parts of the world. This is a 138 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: common practice. I just want to personally thank Mosha for 139 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: bringing this to bringing this to us and giving us 140 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk a little bit more about this 141 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: is this is something that is eternally fascinating. I'm thinking, 142 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: like the Screaming girls in Malaysia episode that search was crazy. 143 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about just all the different ways that people 144 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: have pursued to cleanse themselves and others of unclean spirits 145 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: in their cultures and communities. What was your initial reaction 146 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: when you first read this letter? 147 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: Well, I received this message just as you know, something 148 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: that fascinated me, I guess, because I didn't know much 149 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: at all about this topic of exorcism within Judaism, and 150 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, I just wanted to learn more. 151 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: I mean, and I knew a little bit of this stuff. 152 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: I've certainly knew the concept of a dymock, but the 153 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: specifics and I love the cultural specificity and ritual because essentially, yeah, 154 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: it is, you know, an exorcism by any other name, 155 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: I guess or whatever, like whatever you want to call it. 156 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: It is ultimately just interacting with a foreign, malevolent spiritual 157 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: be right, And we know we talked I do believe 158 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: we talked about it in the episode. This isn't all 159 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: kinds of other cultures, you know, and you know, since 160 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: the beginning of civilizations, in the beginning of time, we've 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: seen evidence of ritual evidence of the belief in demonic 162 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: spirits that need to be cast out, whether it be 163 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: you know, voodoo or what have you. There's any number 164 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: of examples of this throughout you know the record that 165 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 3: we have. 166 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like it was one hundred percent. Like I 167 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: was saying earlier in our previous explorations of this idea, 168 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Just like I said a second ago, we find every 169 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: single culture, especially older cultures, will have some means of 170 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: addressing spiritual malady. In some cases, like in very early cases, 171 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: very early Buddhism, for instance, you'll see there's the idea 172 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: of recitation of Versus and holy scriptures to word off 173 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: or cleanse a place or person of danger or misfortune. 174 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: So very much exorcism is not solely a Catholic thing. 175 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: Pretty much any spiritual community has some version of that, 176 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: which I think is fair to say absolutely. 177 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: And with that, we'll take a break here, word from 178 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: our sponsor and be right back with more messages from you. 179 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: And we're back with another message from you, this one 180 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 3: from you, Captain Proton. That's right, Captain Proton, And it's 181 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: just a couple of links and a headline in the 182 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: subject thieves steal three hundred thousand dollars worth of trading 183 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: cards at convention, and a link to that. Another link 184 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: to something that we'll talk about momentarily. So there's a 185 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: link to this IGN article. Lovely video game website that 186 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: I've been enjoying for many years. You steal three hundred 187 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth trading cards from North America's largest board 188 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: game convention. Apparently, this is a convention that was started 189 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 3: by one of the creators of Dungeons and Dragons, which 190 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: is kind of cool, right, And it's called gen Con, 191 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: and it is one of the biggest events in the industry. 192 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: They were actually debuting a new Disney trading card game 193 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 3: called Disney Lorcana Larkana, But unfortunately that unveiling was not 194 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: really what made the news. It was this heist. And 195 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: I'll just read from this IGN article from Ryan Dinsdale quote. 196 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: The alleged thieves reportedly acquired a Pallette jack before removing 197 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: a palette of trading cards while vendors were setting up 198 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: their gen Con stalls. The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department set 199 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: the cars were moved to an unknown location and remain missing. 200 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: And you can actually see. 201 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: Some images, some surveillance images of these these card thieves 202 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: making their rounds. So the people are on the lookout. 203 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: Let's see if I can find it. There's a version 204 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: of it on the verge. Yeah. The guy's name, by 205 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: the way, was Gary Gygax. Guy Jack's an amazing name 206 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: for creator of Dungeon Dragons. So this con has been 207 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: running for a very long time gen Con in Indianapolis. 208 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: And Yeah, one of the guys looks to be wearing 209 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: I don't it's not a cost No, they're not in 210 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: cosplay or anything. They're just kind of wearing kind of 211 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: regular cool guy outfits, sunglasses, they got their little neck 212 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: lanyards on with there, so they're obviously attendees. You gotta 213 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: wonder if it was just a crime of opportunity or 214 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: if it was an inside job or what. 215 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 216 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: And it looks like these are Pallette, you know pallettes, 217 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: like shipping Pallette. So it's a pretty have hefty volume 218 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: of cards. So it's not like they stole one that 219 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: was worth you know, one hundred thousand dollars we know 220 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: is a thing. This is like a serious stack of 221 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: cards that were you know, she like the kind you 222 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: get shipped from a manufacturer, it is likely that there 223 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: were some Magic the Gathering cards in there. I know 224 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: that's your your thing. Matt also Pokemon Trading card game cards, 225 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: and that was speculated there were some of these Disney 226 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: Lord can of cards, but Ravensburger, the company that makes 227 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: this game, said that all of its products have been 228 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: accounted for. And then you know, and the parly that 229 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: rollout did go quite well because you know, attendees waited 230 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: around sixteen hours for the cards to be released, and 231 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: this was, like I said, a pre release venue for this. 232 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: So look, I know this in and of itself, isn't 233 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: We've just done kind of a lou of weird thefts 234 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: in the last handful of months. We had, of course, 235 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: the subject of our recent Word of the Day, dentifrous. 236 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: You know, there was a theft of toothpaste I'm leaving Canada. 237 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: We had some rare gems that were taken from a 238 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: gem show or from a truck in transit to a 239 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: gem show. 240 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: That did kind of seem like a crime of opportunity 241 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: because I. 242 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: Think folks went into a gas station to use the 243 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: restroom and maybe even take a shower. But this one's interesting, 244 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: and to me it just kind of made me think 245 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: of the idea of value, you know, because I'm not 246 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: a gamer in this way. I don't play tabletop games 247 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: and I'm not into the trading cards. But Matt, you 248 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: do often refer to this world as a bit of 249 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: a money pit, like if it's something that you want 250 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: to go all in on, you gotta be willing to 251 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: drop some bread, right. 252 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess you put it this way. A 253 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: pack of cards now, it's it's tough because Wizards has 254 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: changed the way they price out cards because they have 255 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: a bunch of different cards. Yeah, the apologies, Yes, Slash Hasbro. 256 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: They've they have way more expensive cards now, like collectors 257 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: additions that are not your standard five dollars for fifteen 258 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: cards that used to be kind of just what you 259 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: would get or you know, between four and five dollars. 260 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: And then Pokemon cards are very different because you only 261 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: get ten cards plus maybe an extra ex or whatever 262 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: inside that pack for pretty much the same price. But 263 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: those Collectors ones are like twelve bucks a pop for 264 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: fifteen cards, almost a dollar a card. 265 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: And that's the booster pack they're conventionally. 266 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: Called, yeah or collectors or what they They have all 267 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: kinds of different names. Now, I'm sure we'll get a 268 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: message from Wayne out there, our favorite voicemail guy from 269 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: Philly officially. 270 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 5: Oh you know what. 271 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: Later in this week's Listener mail segment, I can I've 272 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: got a booster pack of the conspiracy Magic cards. You 273 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: want to open them on air later? 274 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: Heck, yeah, all right. 275 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: We needed to get it on TikTok slash the Graham Grads. 276 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: Oh well, that's a good call. 277 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: Maybe, so maybe we'll reserve them. 278 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: They got a couple of packs. 279 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: There you go. 280 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 3: Well, there were a couple of other stories that we're 281 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: mentioned in this Verge article by Wes Davies. Apparently, uh 282 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: in earlier this year, in a store in also in Indianapolis. 283 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: I guess Indianapolis is like a gaming hub of some kind. 284 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 3: In a suburb called Brownsburg, some folks broke into a 285 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: gaming store and then they threw around fifteen thousand dollars 286 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: worth of magic cards into a pizza delivery bag. So 287 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: for that, that had to have been stuff they were 288 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: pulling that. Maybe those like single cards that if you 289 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: go into like a book exchange type place or like 290 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: one of those stores they'll have cards like in some 291 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: sort of plastic on their own. Those can be one 292 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: hundred dollars for one of those, you know, if they're 293 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: like collectibles or whatever and that. So to fill a 294 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: pizza bag with fifteen grand worth of product, those would 295 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: have to be some pretty high value individual cards. 296 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 6: I would think, right, yeah, I like how we both 297 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 6: the tabletop there, its went, Yeah, you know, like you 298 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 6: could hear us. 299 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: You could hear us slapping the inside of our elbows, like, ooh, 300 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: which cards we're in that pizza bag? It's true, Nol, 301 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. This is a huge industry. And if 302 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: you think about it, you talked about the high stuff 303 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: we looked at earlier. We should also we should also 304 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: name check some of the laundering things we mentioned. And 305 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: you started with such a beautiful question, what is value? Right? 306 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: Not too long ago, a specific type of stuffed animal, 307 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: the beanie baby was huge? Right, not too long ago, 308 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: the NFT just a digital concept was huge. Value is 309 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: outside of physical necessities. Value is largely a social concept, right, 310 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: So I would ask, how long do you do you 311 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: see this immense valuation occurring for trading cards like baseball cards? 312 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: I haven't kept track of baseball cards in a long time. 313 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: But those are still worth a lot of money. 314 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I guess the market determines that, like 315 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: what people are willing to pay, or Matt, when we 316 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: were off Mike, you mentioned just of course this is 317 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: you know, the same as is why shiny objects are 318 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: expensive because they're rare, and so the rarity just inherently 319 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: imparts value. But Matt, we talked a little bit too 320 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: about this something called a Black Lotus card. The artist 321 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 3: I think that designed it, Chris Rush. There's like a 322 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: signed copy of it that the pop artist post them alone, 323 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: who also did a fabulous turn as a voice actor 324 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: in the new Ninja Turtles movie. He played for one 325 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: of the weird little mutant creatures that hangs out with 326 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: super Fly. But anyway, he paid I think eight hundred 327 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: thousand dollars for a signed black Lotus card, which is 328 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: on what's called the reserve list, meaning that it's probably 329 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: never going to be reprinted again. And then he recently 330 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: I think spent over around two million dollars post on 331 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: a the one Ring card, which sounds to me like 332 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: a is that like a Lord of the Rings magic 333 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: the Gathering crossover, what mean this particular card special because 334 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: I think it was something different about it when the 335 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: one that he got. 336 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a set that was put out. 337 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: I think it's called Tales of Middle Earth, and you 338 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: could buy like boosters of it, and the whole allure 339 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 2: of that specific card is that you could, Oh this 340 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: just sound so nerdy. 341 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: God. 342 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: Okay, let's say you buy a pack of magic cards, 343 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: you get fifteen in there. You've got the Lord of 344 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: the Rings set, right, there is only one rare card 345 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: in that pack of cards. It could either be a 346 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: ninety nine cent rare like most of them. It can 347 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: be a mythical rare, which is, you know, there are 348 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: many fewer of those printed per set, so there's a 349 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: much lower chance you're gonna pull one of those. Or 350 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: it can be one of these specialty versions of like 351 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: a mythical rare or something. And in this case, there 352 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: was I think this is correct, guys, there was only 353 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: one card that was printed in this specific fashion of 354 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: this one mythical rare card. 355 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 5: Right. 356 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking with you about that off air. 357 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: There are there are multiple literations of what's called the 358 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: One Ring in that new set, and they have the 359 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: mechanic of it is making you in vulnerable for one turn, 360 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: and then you have something that represents the burden of 361 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: carrying the one ring. But out of all those rings 362 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: or cards that were printed, there is one singular card, 363 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: one off. There's no other card like it. It's actually 364 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: the language on it is the same language. Or it's 365 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: made in the same language that the one Ring is 366 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: made of in the or that is inscribed on the 367 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: actual one Ring in the Tolkien novels. And somebody found it. 368 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: Somebody found it. It's like, it's even cooler than finding 369 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: one of the golden tickets in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, 370 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: because there's just one pretty crazy. 371 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: It goes with the name, you know, it is the 372 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: one Ring. So yeah, this guy, Brooke Trafton found it. 373 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 3: Like you, you set it up beautifully, Matt. He found 374 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: it in the pack and it was He called the 375 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: shop where he got it from and asked them how 376 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 3: how he could verify it, and he said they actually 377 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 3: initially hang hung up on him because they thought it 378 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: was a prank. But once he verified it, he immediately 379 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: put it in a safe deposit box. And then he 380 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 3: got himself a lawyer and This is essentially like a 381 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: winning the lottery kind of stitution. But the value of it, though, 382 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: is only determined by who will pay that for it. 383 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's is rare. 384 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only one, but it's not of any value 385 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: unless someone steps forward and pays for it. And apparently 386 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: a meet and greet at a Post Malone show turned 387 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 3: into him as casually mentioning that he had this card, 388 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: and the post asked what the current bid was, and 389 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 3: he said, yeah, I'll take that. 390 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: Wow, you know that's so old. 391 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: It's really cool. And then again post Malone, I actually 392 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 4: think so. 393 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: His tunes are cool, and I like that he does 394 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 3: these kind of rock and roll type covers too, and 395 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: he's got a cool voice, and again loved his voice 396 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: acting and. 397 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: The Turtles movie. 398 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: But he seems like a good hang and he obviously 399 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: has got more money than he knows what to do with. 400 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: And why why shouldn't he pay two million dollars for 401 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: a card? I ain't mad about it, you know, maybe 402 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: a little mad, I don't know whatever. 403 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just tremendously cool because he has 404 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: the means to change this person's life, this other person's life, right, 405 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: And he used that power to buy a magic card. 406 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: I just wish I would have known pre Malone because 407 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: he plays magic all the time and I would have 408 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: hung out with him, Yeah for sure. But now that 409 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: he's post you know, I'm just intimidated. 410 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I mean, there's a related story on this 411 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 3: BBC thing about how he helped some Glasgow singer pay 412 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: for a deposit on his house. 413 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 4: So it does seem like post Malone. 414 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: Is in the life changing game to a degree, and 415 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: that he uses his wealth for good and in a 416 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: lot of situations and it's not necessarily just about wanting 417 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 3: to have stuff. 418 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: So that's that one. 419 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: I think that's probably a fine place to leave a 420 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 3: little bit of a shorty uh, sort of a feel 421 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: good story. But yeah, value it's it's ever elusive, and 422 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: as we know, you know, like your point, Ben, I 423 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: think absolutely on point. The NFT bubble has burst at 424 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 3: this point. People are losing their board apes left and right, 425 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: or they're just tanking in value, and it's not that 426 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 3: much different from like this stock market or you know, 427 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: it's all about what the market will allow, and just 428 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: capitalism in general is sort of like a little bit 429 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 3: of a dice roll, especially with you know, I don't know. 430 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: There is a certain long term balancing act that takes place, 431 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: and certainly we cannot always expect that a magic car 432 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: will hold that value. But these are cool stories and 433 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: it does make you think of kind of the nature 434 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 3: of what is something worth. We're gonna take a quick 435 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: break here, a word from our sponsor, and then come 436 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 3: back with one more message from you, and by the way, 437 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: thanks to thanks to Captain Proton, and we have returned. 438 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: We're going to start with an answer to a question, 439 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: and this is this is on me. I earlier asked 440 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: why it seems that high profile celebrity cases of crime 441 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: seem to be solved so much more often and seem 442 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: to have so much more attention put on them. And 443 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: this is why we're grateful to our fellow conspiracy realist 444 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: because we can ask these questions, and so many of 445 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners are experts who do have answers. That's 446 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: where I want to start tonight. We received a letter 447 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: from someone who by necessity is anonymous, and we're going 448 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: to share this with you and we'd love to hear 449 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: your thoughts. Starts this way. Greetings, gents, longtime listener, I 450 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: want to shed some perspective on why it seems like 451 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: celebrities or high profile cases seem to get more attention 452 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: than normal. In the case of celebrities, like your TUPAC reference, 453 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: new leads and information are brought to light by books 454 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: and shows. That is the main reason those cases seem 455 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: to garner more investigative attention. It's not so much a 456 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: preference as it is the information fed to investigators. More 457 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: exposure of a case means more information for investor instigators 458 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: to review. I hope this can restore some faith in 459 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: law enforcement for you. Like most else, the bad seems 460 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: to get the most attention, but the majority of us 461 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: still want to make our communities a better place. This 462 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: comes to us from a longtime military veteran current Loo 463 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement officer. Is the nomenclature and astor remain anonymous 464 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: due of course, to privacy and safety concerns. But I 465 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: wanted to stop there. 466 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: Oh. 467 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: They end by say, can't wait to hear your take 468 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: on the recent UAP Congress hearing, which we did an 469 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: episode on. I want to stop there because I thought 470 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: that was a pretty great explanation, right, Like we talked 471 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: with we talked with people from Lava for Good, who 472 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: pointed out that their investigations lead to exonerations and breaks 473 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: in cases. So it's maybe it's not so much an 474 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: idea of you know, celebrity worship or something. It's just 475 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: that more eyes are on the case, more minds are 476 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: on a case because someone's a public figure, so you 477 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: are more likely to discover things. 478 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it. 479 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought that was I thought that was 480 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: a positive way to look at it. Anyhow, we'd love 481 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts, folks. I think that's a pretty 482 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: pretty plausible explanation, honestly, for a lot of this, and 483 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't solve the issue, which is clearly an issue. 484 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: But it's good to know that there is an explanation. 485 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: It's good to know that there are people attempting to 486 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: solve crimes. 487 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: Now. 488 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: Of course, again we're going to hold to the earlier 489 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: point that people should be able to reasonably count on closure, 490 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: especially if you are the survivor of a horrific tragedy 491 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: or you lost someone close to you. We all want 492 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: these cases solved, and hopefully, hopefully justice is a gear 493 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: that grinds slow but exceedingly fine, even here in twenty 494 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: twenty three. So here's hoping even if you if you 495 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: are a left win or not a celebrity, there will 496 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: be justice when there is a crime committed against. 497 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, hopefully, hopefully. I just I have to mildly 498 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: push back against the message. And it's only because I'm 499 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: thinking about something like the Zodiac killer case. Okay, So 500 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: there have been there's been so much investigation that is 501 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: not law enforcement based through media of all shapes and 502 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: sizes and forms. 503 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: And investigators, authors, et cetera. 504 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: And there's a ton of information headed to the police department. 505 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: Just in the case of the monster show we made, 506 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: we were attempting to interact directly with several police outfits 507 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: in Benicia and Valeo and in San Francisco and attempting 508 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: to not we don't we understood we couldn't take information 509 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: from their active investigation. But it was that there was 510 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: no real there was no real communication. It was just, hey, no, 511 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: we can't talk about any of this. It was a 512 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: black box because it was still being investigated. So I 513 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: don't understand how more stuff being brought to law enforcement's 514 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: attention is actually going to change the factors. Very much 515 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: of the investigation if the you know, law enforcement isn't 516 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 2: willing to chase down some of those leads, and often 517 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: it's no individual's problem within let's say the San Francisco 518 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: Police Department. They're at the Hall, the Hall of Justice. 519 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: They just don't have the staff to send on the 520 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: wild goose chases that you know, our and other productions 521 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: were kind of stirring up in the debris of the 522 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: bottom of the lake Barrisa and all that stuff. Anyway, 523 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: it's just it's interesting to think about it that way. 524 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: In hindsight, if you reopen a case kind of how 525 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: they did with the Atlanta child murders case. They are 526 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: reopening many of those cases to look at them again 527 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: and look at new evidence, re examine old evidence. That's cool, 528 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: that makes sense. I just don't see that happening very often. 529 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: Right, Like this might not one hundred percent explain the 530 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: clear prevalence of public figures getting more investigation, right. I 531 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: think both of those perspectives are valid, and it's true 532 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: that there are clear discrepancies. Every l e O can 533 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: say the same thing. There are clear discrepancies between the 534 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: amount of crimes committed and the amount of crimes solved, 535 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: and that that can lead to some egregious things like 536 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: trying to close cases, getting people who are already locked 537 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: up for life, like Henry Lee Lucas to confess to 538 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: crimes they could never have possibly committed, just to close 539 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: the books on something, and that, you know, folks like 540 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: that might say they, you know, what's another murder. They 541 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: might cop to that falsely just so they can get 542 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: a couple amenities. Right, There are a lot of intervening 543 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: factors here. We just wanted to give some airtime to 544 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: one explanation, and it's not a silver bullet explanation. It 545 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: doesn't solve the problem. But we just heard from a 546 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: person on the ground in the trenches who is saying. 547 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: They're saying they get supplied more information when there's a 548 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: public figure, and that what you're saying, I think is 549 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: equally valid. Which is Hey. Also, a lot of these 550 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: non l EO sources might be doing good reporting, good 551 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: investigation and then they sort of get stone walled, right, 552 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: they get dismissed in one way or another, or what's 553 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: that line that don't want to talk about it line 554 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: is something like we did not comment on ongoing investigations. 555 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, I think there's more. Yeah, I don't 556 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: think it's stonewalling on purpose, other than how can they 557 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: trust the information coming from journalists no matter who it is, 558 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: and unless they put the time and effort and money 559 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: into investigating it fully, right. 560 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: And those three resources might not exist to be applied there. 561 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 3: Right. 562 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: But then also, yeah, you raise a great point, which 563 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: is every time, not every time, but often when police 564 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: or law enforcement released details about some like the most 565 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: horrific criminal you could imagine ongoing suspective heeral murder, then 566 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: they get a lot of prank calls essentially, or a 567 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: lot of calls or contact from unstable people, paranoid people, 568 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: people who can't prove what's going on. They'll even have 569 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: people cop to being the criminal just for what attention. 570 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean to go keep going back to 571 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: those cases, guys, but the number of calls that came 572 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 2: into the APD and the task Force during the Atlanta 573 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: Missing and murdered investigation of people who are like, yeah, 574 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: I know, Wayne Williams, he tried to abduct me in 575 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: this very specific set of circumstances. And then investigators, once 576 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: they get that tip they have to investigate. They go 577 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: in and it's complete bs and we're talking resources. 578 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 3: What an awful thing to do to really just slow 579 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 3: things down? And that's I can see I could make 580 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: somebody very jaded. 581 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how do you how do you cut past 582 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: the noise, especially when we're considering with those kind of 583 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: investigations even before they're you opened, there's a ticking clock, right, 584 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: if there's a killer out there, then, like you said, Matt, 585 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: you can't say no to even the most cockamamie stuff. 586 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: You have to give it at least a little bit 587 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: of due diligence because you don't want to be the 588 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: one who missed, who was asleep at the switch. Right, 589 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: So this is deep water. These are heavy steaks, and 590 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: we appreciate this input because it's a deleimit. It's something 591 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: that no one has one hundred percent figured out a 592 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: solution for. Unless you have one, we'd love to hear. 593 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: It's stuff they don't want you to know. One eight 594 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: three three STDWYTK conspiracydiheartradio dot com. You know, if you 595 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: got the answer, look tell us and we will broadcast 596 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: that to millions of people because we all need the help. 597 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: Always like to end a little spoonful of sugar. So 598 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: now here's something completely different. Now that we've just asked 599 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: everybody to solve crime, just solve the idea of crime 600 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: for us. Recently did an episode on strange billionaire hobbies 601 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: and just thought as a fun, little little palate cleanser, 602 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: we could read a couple of those billionaire hobby ideas. 603 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: You guys down for that, absolutely? Yeah? Okay, So this 604 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: this one ended with asking for this one ended with 605 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,959 Speaker 1: asking our fellow conspiracy realist, if you had specifically one 606 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: point eight billion dollars, so not too many billions, one 607 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: point eight billion dollars, what would be your weird hobbies 608 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: or your weird pranks you would do? 609 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 4: Uh? 610 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: Do you guys want to hear the inspiring ones first? 611 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: Or you want to hear the funny ones first and 612 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: the inspire ones after? 613 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 3: Ooh uh can we do a mix? 614 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, let's do a mix. 615 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 616 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 617 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: So we've got one that says, keep these anonymous in 618 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: case these folks need to protect their ideas. Uh, what's 619 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: here's a funny one quote? I would sign people up 620 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: with really obscure magazine subscriptions like Miniture, Donkey Talk Magazine, 621 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: or Girls in Corpses magazine. I signed a person up 622 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: for a trial of Portable Restroom Operator magazine a few 623 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: years ago. They're still getting it today and still have 624 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: absolutely no idea why they're getting it. I even changed 625 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: the address they had on file when he moved, and 626 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: his response was, they keep finding me so signing using 627 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, millions of dollars to sign a bunch of 628 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: people up for random magazine subscriptions. 629 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 3: That's just mischievous, if you ask me, And what funny 630 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 3: thing there is? I mean, don't people just kind of 631 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 3: get random magazines periodically anyway, without even having periodically? Oh goodness, 632 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: my gracious. Occasionally I'll just get free copies of Esquire, 633 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 3: and I'm like, can you please stop sending me these? 634 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 3: I'm not paying for them, but just please stop. I 635 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 3: just feel like it's wasteful, and I do recycle them, 636 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: but I'll put on you for recycling them. What do 637 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 3: you think, Matt, Would that pass your your billionaire prank threshold? No? 638 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: No, I want to hear the next one that's This 639 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 2: one does not pass. 640 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 4: Okay, it's pretty good. I just yeah, that's pretty good. 641 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. 642 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let's see another. Another person says My billionaire 643 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 1: hobby would be to feed, house and educate people. These 644 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: are probably ideas I got from you. I live in 645 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis, Missouri area, where there are food deserts. 646 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: I would open small stores with fresh food. I know 647 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: this food goes bad, so we give away what doesn't sell. 648 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 649 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: There are lots of vacant properties in my city. They 650 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: could be fixed up or built on. I would buy 651 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: and rehab these places with sustainable technology. I would sell 652 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: these homes to people renting smaller rundown places. I would 653 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 1: fix up rundown apartments and hotels to house all the homeless. 654 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 4: If only Zuck. 655 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 3: And Elon thought like that, you know, and that's a 656 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 3: great plan. And when I hear this kind of stuff, 657 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 3: all I can think of is just these freaking idiots 658 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: arguing about having an MMA fight in Vegas and how 659 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 3: now because it has become so embarrassing, like, oh, but 660 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 3: it'll be for charity. But it's like, well, maybe just 661 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 3: like do charity. Why does it have to be about 662 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 3: your stupid egos? It's just and and I guess the 663 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 3: sad thing is is like people would just say, well, 664 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 3: this is just it's just not done. You know, it's 665 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 3: not sustainable, you know what I mean. Yeah, I've got 666 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 3: all this money, but I would be setting a weird 667 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 3: precedent if I did something like that. Yeah, it's it's cowardly, 668 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 3: you know. I just don't think anyone should have that 669 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 3: much mone money and be allowed to just have all that, 670 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, when there's so many people that, 671 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 3: for no reason of anything they did, are just suffering 672 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: and living in squalor and in difficult situations. It's a 673 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 3: system that's designed to cause people to fail. 674 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: And it's strange that acknowledging that fact may make some 675 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: part of the population look at us as extremist partisans 676 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: or radicals. We are being objective with that. And anybody 677 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: who was interested, anybody who's a proponent of trickle down economy, 678 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: you might be interested in its original name, which was 679 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: the horse and sparrow economy. Don't feed all the animals 680 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: in town. Feed the horses, and if they eat enough, 681 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: they'll poop out something of value, and the sparrows can 682 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: eat the poop or the crumbs. 683 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 3: You know, that's very I mean, it's you're right, and 684 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 3: I'm not some kind of none of us are. They 685 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: are radical liberals of any stripe or proposing any kind 686 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 3: of socialism or whatever. Necessarily. I don't know some forms 687 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 3: of it. It does seem there are some not horrible ideas, 688 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 3: but it's just rampant unchecked capitalism. I don't think anyone 689 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 3: would argue is a great, awesome idea. Maybe some people 690 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 3: would argue that, but I think they'd be missing the point. 691 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: Well I'm rand would, but she's terrible. Uh So there's 692 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 1: one more. Let's do one more fun one? Uh okay quote. 693 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: I would hire a troop of professional clowns to stalk 694 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: at a distance, people like my younger brother and a 695 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,959 Speaker 1: couple others. They would stalk, but one of those things 696 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: where you don't actively see them. You might notice them 697 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: out of the corner of your eye, or if you 698 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: rows back at a grocery store once in a while, 699 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: they make eye contact and do that little kid fingerwave 700 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: at you and disappear one point eight billion dollars. That's 701 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: your choice, man. 702 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 3: I do one of those the game type scenarios, you know, 703 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 3: just create an elaborate roosts just for one individual's. 704 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 4: Benefit, or or yeah, Truman, show something like that. 705 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 3: Just just just go go over the top go absolutely 706 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 3: ham with the most elaborate prank you could ever imagine. 707 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: But Matt, you got a billionaire prank. I approve it. 708 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: Yours the only thing that's. 709 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 3: Great, Thank you. I really I would buy a single 710 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 3: magic card. 711 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 2: Yes, Malone, I'll take it now. 712 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: My billionaire hobby is not Magic the Gathering. My billionaire 713 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: hobby is this one magic card? 714 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well, why's my billionaire hobby got to be 715 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 3: different from my thousand naire hobby? 716 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: Right right right? I know your boots man. 717 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 2: Ever, No, you know what I'd do if I did 718 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 2: that much money, I would buy Magic the Gathering from 719 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 2: Wizards of the Coast and I would make it half price, 720 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: not be you know, publicly traded or anything like that, 721 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 2: so I don't have any shareholders and operate at a 722 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 2: loss until all the money is gone, so that everybody 723 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 2: could just play Magic the Gathering for an affordable price. 724 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. 725 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 4: I love you, dude. 726 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 3: I wanted to double back to something that I kind 727 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 3: of missed in that segment when we're talking about value. 728 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 3: Are these high priced cards used in play? Are they 729 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 3: used in tournament play, or are there some of them 730 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 3: that are so overpowered so that they're not even like 731 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 3: allowed that. It's more about the collector's market. 732 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 1: Is not tournament tournament legal? 733 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 3: Right? And also, if you want people to play the game, 734 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 3: isn't there an online version of the game that you 735 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 3: can play for not a bunch of money? 736 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 2: Yes to all of the above. If you want to 737 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 2: play with a black Lotus, you can in certain tournaments, 738 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 2: if you are just playing with friends, if you want 739 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 2: to play in historical battles, you can use some of 740 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: the other cards that are banned in other formats. If 741 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 2: you're playing stand then you can only play with the 742 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,280 Speaker 2: last like six versions of the cards, the six sets. 743 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,959 Speaker 2: If you're playing Commander, sorry, there's a lot of play. 744 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: Even g arena area is the online version? 745 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? 746 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 747 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: And speaking of let's end it this way. Let's end 748 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: our listener segment this way. I have here a booster 749 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: pack of something called Kamigawa Neon Dynasty Magic. Is that 750 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: any good? Is that a good one? Yeah? 751 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 2: It's got great art. If it's a it's one of 752 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 2: the collector's versions some of the art cards. 753 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: Oh well, I just lost us millions of dollars because 754 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: I'm opening it. Oh gosh, what do we got? 755 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 2: Oh? 756 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: Wow, this art is pretty good. Can I see this? 757 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 5: Yeah? 758 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the shiny one. 759 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: This one? 760 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 4: Is that the shiny one? 761 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? That one's got to be more valuable, right, I think. 762 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 4: This is just straight up art. 763 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that one's not valuable at all. It's just awesome. 764 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: Matt, don't let Nolan and I embarrass you here. I'm 765 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: gonna send you guys this on a list. 766 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 2: We got them. 767 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 3: Shiny Yeah, I go my Magpie rules, y'all. 768 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: Oh, we got this one, Moon Circuit Hacker. It's kind 769 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: of shiny. 770 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 2: Nice. What's the color of the symbol on the middle 771 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,720 Speaker 2: right hand side? 772 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: Middle right? Oh, you're asking me colors? The show is over, 773 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: you guys know. 774 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 2: I guess it's either it's either black, silver, or gold. 775 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 5: Okay, well I will I will hit us up in 776 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 5: the group text or the next time we hang out. 777 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 5: But as always, folks, thank you so much for tuning in. 778 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 5: We can't wait to hear from you. 779 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: Big big thanks to a non big big thanks to 780 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: our billionaire hobbyist of the future, to Musha of course, 781 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: and big big thanks to Captain Proton. 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