1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: What do you do when life doesn't go according to 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: plan that moment you lose a job, or a loved one, 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: or even a piece of yourself. I'm Brookshields and this 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: is now What, a podcast about pivotal moments as told 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: by people who lived them. Each week, I sit down 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: with a guest to talk about the times they were 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: knocked off course and what they did to move forward. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Some stories are funny, others are gut wrenching, but all 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: are unapologetically human and remind us that every success and 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: every setback is accompanied by a choice, and that choice 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: answers one question. Now, what so that you said you 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: didn't need a lot of meat growing up, which I 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: think is kind of an interesting surprise to people. 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: I would go to people's houses and I'm like, what 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: is me meat loaf? You're telling me there is a 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: whole thing of meat coming out and we're gonna eat this. 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: We'll catch up. What I'd go over to my parents, 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, where's meat loaf? And like, oh no, we 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: don't eat meat, though we're gonna have eggplant. My god, 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: I don't want egg plant. I revolted against the food. 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: Kind of bad, but that's how I ended up becoming 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: a cook. 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: My guest today is the mayor of Flavortown himself, Guy Fieri. 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Guy is a chef, a restauranteur, an author, and an 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning host of shows like Diners, Drive Ins, 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: and Dives. He may be one of the most recognizable 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: culinary stars in the world, but he's also a philanthropist, 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: a doting husband, a loving dad, and a great friend. 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: He's had many now what moments, a few of which 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: I learned about in this interview, but through them all 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: he stayed humble and motivated. I know you'll like this interview, 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: so let's dive right in. Here is Guy Fiery. First 33 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: of all, I know you've got very little time, so 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: I always have time for you. First, thank you very 36 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: much for having me. This is awesome. I was just 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: bragging that I get to go on Brookshields podcast. Second, 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: I love your sister. She is a riot. She is 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: one of my favorite people in South Florida. So for 40 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: everybody that doesn't understand, I have a house in Florida 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: and South Florida and the house the people that bought 42 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: the house right next to us. Someone says to me. 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: By the way, that's Brookshield's sister. And I said, what, 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: So I text Brook and I said, your sister, Yeah, 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: my sister lives bought a house right next years. Well, 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: I don't even know these people, but I know that 47 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: they're that's your sister and your brother in law. So 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: I send them this really cool barbecue as a household 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: made it and they're like, why did this guy send 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: us this? And I just and I talked to him 51 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: on the phone and said, hey, I just you know, 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: I don't know you yet, but you're there. I'm not, 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: but you know, we just became great friends. 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Getting those little mini videos from you all hammered. And 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: I know her so I mean, obviously she's my baby's sister, 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: but I love that connection because it means more than 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: you can know, and it just seems like meant to be. 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: And it's so funny because now that I know your 59 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: sister so well and know and knew and know you, 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: now I'm starting to get a much bigger picture of 61 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: what goes on in your world. And all I can 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: remember is the first time I met you were the 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: first time that you came on my cookie show on 64 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 2: Guys Big Bite, and still to this day, of all 65 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: the guests I've ever had on my show, nobody has 66 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: ever walked in had as much swagger and as much 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: of a unique situation as you did that night. And 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what I'm referencing. 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. I still have all my fingers. 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, that we're not talking about you 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: chopping anything off. No, no, I know. So I'm sorry. 72 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: I've been bowing. I've been excited to be on. 73 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: So you need to embarrass me a little. I'm okay 74 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: with it. You've got to just give me, give people, 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: give me a reference as to what you're talking about. 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: I think I know, but. 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: I'll tell you the story if we're if we're going 78 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: to start south, this is your show. And for some reason, 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: I'm just babbling. So Brooke and I met and became friends, 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: and I invited Brooke to come on my show, Guys, 81 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: Big Bite, which I shot in my backyard of my 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: house here in northern California. So anywow, we're getting ready 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: to film. It's a nice sunny afternoon. But you know 84 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: a little bit, Gris, and the producer says to me, 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: he says, hey, can I talk to you for a second. 86 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: He goes, we have a wardrobe malfunction. 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: It was chili. 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: It was definitely it was chili. So so the wardrobe people, everybody, 89 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: it's all made. You know, there's a bunch of eyes 90 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: and but a lot of people. But the audio tech 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: is really just really great girl Jessica, and she's there 92 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: and she says, I know what to say, I know 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: what to do. So she comes up with Michelle's talk 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: to you for a second. She goes, yeah, and she 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: goes like this, and we're watchable. We all know what 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: the conversation is. Because the the blouse that broke Brookie 97 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: had on the bit revealing just a touch well, nobody 98 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: had anything to help the situation. So in the middle 99 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: of this whole thing and everybody is just standing there wide, 100 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: I'd like, what are we going to do? Broke broke? 101 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: Jes yells and goes, hey, anybody got any band aids? 102 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: So the medical guy comes running over with the with 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: the medical kid, thinking there's an emergency, and she just 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: grabs a couple of band aids and says, hey, not 105 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: a second, all right, coach, you put me back in 106 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. And from that day on, I'm 107 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: just like, now I know why you're a legend. 108 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we drank tequila, we laughed, I learned something 109 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: and I saw you. I don't think people know. I 110 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: mean maybe they do know. But there were a lot 111 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: of people and in one what you were tied to 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: all of them in one way, and most of them 113 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: seem to be on the team. And I just that 114 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: type of loyalty and love for the people that you 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: grew up with, that you know, is so inspiring and 116 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: kind and pure, and I just that made me fall 117 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: absolutely in love with with who you are as a person. 118 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: And in sort of preparing for this, I was trying 119 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: to think of things I don't know about you. You 120 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: say you were raised by hippie parents, So what does 121 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: that mean for a childhood? 122 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: Well, let me just get done fan boing for one 123 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: more second. To hear you say all those nice things 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: about me is overwhelming. But thank you the tequila health 125 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to start sending tequila to 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: people when they interview me on podcasts. Drink half of 127 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: this before you go. So I was raised in a 128 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: little town in northern California. Do you ever see the 129 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: movie Outbreak with Dustin Hoffelt. So that was filmed in 130 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: my hometown. That's a little town called Ferndale, and it's 131 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: up by Eureka, California, so it's really far north and 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: so I live in the Wine country here. So about 133 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: four hours north of here is this little town called Ferndale. 134 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: It's in a very famous area known as the Emerald Triangle, 135 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: which was back in the day it was known for 136 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: all of its fantastic cannabis and so forth. But it's 137 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: a great it's a it's a beautiful country. It's home 138 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: of the Redwoods, it's home of great fishing outdoors, all 139 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. But this little town, it's this little 140 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: angelic town. Man, it's unbelievable. So ayah. I was raised 141 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: by these. My mom and dad came from Columbus, Ohio. 142 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: That's where I was born in the back of a 143 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Volkswagen square square back bug. My mom was a teacher, 144 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: my dad was a college dropout, and they came up 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: here to northern California opened up a leather shop called 146 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: the Abraxis. My mom had long red hair, my dad 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: had a big beard. We had a we had a 148 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: condoline van. This is no kidding. We lived in a 149 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: condoline van had They had five hundred dollars cash, one 150 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds of wax, and a height of leather. 151 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: And that's how we were. That's how we ended up 152 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: in Ferndale. 153 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: Wow. 154 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: So when I say raised by hippies, but my mom 155 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: always says, you have to. As a matter of fact, today 156 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: is my mom's seventieth birth sixtieth birth today's my mom's 157 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: fiftieth birthday, but it's actually her real birthday today, fifty. 158 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: Yes, please, you got it. By the way, what is 159 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: it with you and me and birthdays? Do you remember 160 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: when I called you? I was in the tunnel, it 161 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: called you just out of the blue. This is like 162 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: a while ago, and it was your sister's birthday. Do 163 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: you remember that? 164 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, something about you and me and birthday. 166 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: The little sister Morgan that we lost unfortunately cancer. But 167 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: I keep that tattoo to remind me about her every day. 168 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: But so, anyhow, my parents were not doupt smoking hippies, 169 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: but self made people. My dad had been in submarines 170 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: during Vietnam and all kinds of craziness. So you know, 171 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: just listen, just really smart people, hardworking people. We ate 172 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 2: a lot of macrobiotics. We were I mean, I was 173 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: eating sushi when I was eight years old, so in 174 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six when people were you know, had no 175 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: idea what sushi was. My parents are pretty progressive in 176 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: the food thing, so that. 177 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: You said you didn't eat a lot of meat growing up, 178 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: which I think is kind of an interesting surprise to people. 179 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: I would go to people's houses and I'm like, what 180 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: is meat loaf? You're telling me there is a whole 181 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: thing of meat coming out and we're going to eat this. 182 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: We ketchup what. I'd go over to my parents, I'm like, 183 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: where's the meat loaf? And like, oh no, we don't 184 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: eat me a loaf. We're going to have eggplant. My god, 185 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: I don't want eggplant. I revolted against the food. Kind 186 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: of bad, but that's how I ended up becoming a cook. 187 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: Was I was, I was about eight maybe nine, and 188 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: I came around the corner one morning and my mom 189 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: was cooking what I thought was chicken parmesan, but it 190 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: was eggplant parmisan. I said, why can't we have chicken parbasan? 191 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: This is when life changed. Why can't we have chicken? 192 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: Farmers on like the like the normal families have. Well, 193 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: after I got up off the floor from being hit 194 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: with the frying pan. No, she didn't hit me with 195 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: the frying pan, but after she says, listen, guy, if 196 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: you don't like the way I cook, then you cook. 197 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 2: So that day I went to the grocery store and 198 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: John Miceli was the butcher, and I said, hey, John, 199 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: I said I want to I want to eat meat, 200 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: and I said what do I what? He goes, so 201 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: I think he gave me rip By steaks, and I said, 202 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: what do you serve with this? And he's like pasta? 203 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: So I went over and I got posta and all 204 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: I know is pasta and tomato sauce went together. So 205 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: I cooked the pasta in the tomato sauce and my 206 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: parents come home and I've got dinner on the table 207 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: and my dad goes, what the and I go, hey, hey, 208 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: Mom said, if I don't like the way you guys cooked, 209 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: I could cook. And he's like what. So he sits 210 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: down and he cuts into the steak and I remember 211 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: cooking it specifically. It had butter and soy sauce. That's 212 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: the only thing I knew. And he takes a bite 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: of it, and he looks at me and he sets 214 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: his fork and knife down and he looks right at 215 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: me and he goes, guy, might be the best steak 216 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: I've ever had in my life. 217 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh God, I've got chills from 218 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: that story. Now they were they vegetarian. 219 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: We did it all. We did macrobiotic, I mean, and 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't vegetarian like hardcore, but it did. We go 221 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: We went through all different kinds of stuff. But we 222 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: were a lot of steaming, a lot of steamed fish, 223 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, a lot of very not 224 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: when you want me, my kids. No one would trade 225 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: lunch with me at school ever. I mean, I was 226 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: like voodoo on the lunch game, okay, because we baked 227 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: our own bread. You know, we didn't have milk. We 228 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: had powdered milk. I mean, we had you listen, We 229 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: one time didn't have a refrigerator for six months because 230 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: the refrigerator broke. So my dad cut a hole in 231 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: the refrigerator and then cut a hole in the bottom 232 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: of the floor and was convinced that the cold air 233 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: for the cellar would keep because that's how it was 234 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: done in the olden days, would keep the refrigerator, and 235 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: then there was an ice block up in the top 236 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: of the fridge, and that's how we would keep our 237 00:11:58,679 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: stuff cold. 238 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you yeah. So do you think you'll 239 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: ever open up a vegy or at least plant based restaurant? 240 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: Probably in the diet that we have at the house 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: eighty five percent vegetables. I'm a veggie junkie. I mean, 242 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: I've talked to my publisher all the time about the 243 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: vegetarian cookbook that I want to write. I don't know 244 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: that I'll go actually all vegan on a cookbook, although 245 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: I do I feature a lot of vegan vegetarian restaurants 246 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: on Diners, Drivings, and dives because I think that this 247 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: book has something to do with my little sister passing away. 248 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: So my sister, Morgan was thirty eight, had had cancer 249 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: when she was four, then beat cancer, then lived a 250 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: healthy life for thirty four more years, and then at 251 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: thirty eight, got melanoma, which was a derivative of the 252 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: type of cancer she had, and we ended up losing 253 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: her and it was worstin the whole world. But while 254 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: she was sick in that last year, I was cooking 255 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: for her a lot and I was learning a lot 256 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: about alkalinity and pa and I was looking learning and 257 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: just really coming to a better understanding of the world 258 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: of vegetarian and vegan cooking. And she used to make 259 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: a joke all the time when she'd come for Thanksgiving 260 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: that she goes, not, I don't want a bunch of 261 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: grilled vegetables with bisalmic glaze and Bosmondi rice, make me 262 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: real composed dishes. So then I started to look at 263 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: how all these different vegetables we have in these different grains, 264 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: and all these different methods, and the techniques are a 265 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: little bit different, but the flavor profiles and the textures 266 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: can be very similar. So it changed my life as 267 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: a chef. 268 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Just going back a little bit to your beautiful sister, 269 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: because you've talked to me about her, you've spoken about her. 270 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: How did you cope with that period right after her passing? 271 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, okay, so my sister is my sister gets sick, 272 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: you know, she the cancer comes back. She's a massage therapist, vegetarian, 273 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: doesn't drink, mother of an eight year old boy, my nephew, Jules, 274 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: who is going to law school right now, proud of him, 275 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: got him, got him, got him through high school, you know, 276 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: got him into high school, got him through high school, 277 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: got him because it was my parents and you know, 278 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: Laurie and I that raised him. And they lived right 279 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: My parents lived right next door to me. And you know, 280 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: there was some bumps and bruises in those first few 281 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: years when you when a kid loses his mom and 282 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: she was a single mom. 283 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: How old were your kids when he became a regular 284 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: part of. 285 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: The other kid the other kid? Yeah, Hunter was eleven 286 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: or twelve. Rider was four. But you know, Jewels was 287 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: always my sister and Jewels were always very involved. They 288 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: didn't live too far away from us in uh, they 289 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: lived down in Mill Valley. But anyhow, back to the 290 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: question you'd ask, because I'll go down rabbit holes all day. 291 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: My sister was when is somebody four and a half 292 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: years younger than you? But also but as as your teacher, 293 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: and we always got along great. We always had a 294 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: really great relationship. She accepted my style on my way 295 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: and I was, you know, always a million miles an 296 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: hour and you know, trucks and heavy metal and you know, craziness. 297 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: And my sister was always grounded and going to African 298 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: dance class and you know, not mistay and the whole thing. 299 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: And I never got it. I never you know, I 300 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: got her. She understaid me, blah blah blah. Well, as 301 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: she was as she was, you know, cancer was taking 302 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: over and she wasn't going to do chemo again. She 303 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: had done chemo as a kid. She says, I'm not 304 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: doing it. We sent her to Puerto Rico, we sent 305 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: her to Mexico. We sent her a couple different places 306 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: to get alternative treatment, and she was very open about it. 307 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: We were open as a family about it. It just 308 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: killing me, killing me to watch my parents go through it. 309 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: That was probably the hardest thing to see. Losing my 310 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: sister was terrible. Watching parents aren't suppos to watch their kids' paths. 311 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: That's just not sulmost happen, especially after they already went 312 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: through that shit when she was four, because I remember 313 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: that real vividly, being at the hospitals Fanrancisco with her. 314 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: But anyhow, here's where it gets really weird, my sister's 315 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: passing away. We have hospice there, which if you ever 316 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: want to make a donation to anything in this whole world, 317 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: hospice is one of the greatest organizations they're angels, They're 318 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: earth angels. I can't say enough about them. I mean, 319 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: it gives me goosebumps. Anytime I can help them, I do. 320 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: So my sister's passing away. We're all sitting there in 321 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: her house and someone brings up, you know, when she passes, 322 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: what are we going to, you know, just going to creamate? 323 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: I said, I can't creamate my sister. This is the 324 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: last thing in the world she wants is you know, 325 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: fuels to be used. She wasn't a super earthy type person, 326 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: but I said, so we found out about green burials, 327 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: so we found a cemetery very close to where we 328 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: live here in northern California to do green burial. So 329 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: that's no casket, to be the most beautiful way I've 330 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: ever seen anybody buried. So my sister passes. She passes 331 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: Saturday morning, and we drive back to her house and 332 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: all her girlfriends come, all her friends from this community, 333 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: and they shroud her. They lay her on our massage 334 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: table in the middle of the living room and shroud 335 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: her in flowers, and people come to visit, and it 336 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: was the most I mean, I'm I'm a redneck, you know, 337 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm sitting there looking this, going is this for real? 338 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: And it took all of that weirdness mortuary organ music, 339 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: noess that that's wrong, that's how people say it. But 340 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: it was a it was amazing. I mean, I hope 341 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: that's how it happens for me. I don't. I don't 342 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: even know what to say. And then and then and 343 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: then we took a they made that a box and 344 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: they the kids drew want it and colored, and Jewels 345 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: was there with his mom taking pictures and we were 346 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: crying and it would go in and out of you know, 347 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: hysteria and discipline, sadness and so. And then three days 348 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: later we all came together and we had a wonderful 349 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: ceremony and cousins and people showed up and it was 350 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: as she was shrouded in flowers, in this, in this 351 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: and draped in this, and we lowered her in the ground. 352 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: And I can't say that goodbye was you know, easy, 353 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: and not having it was easy. But I will tell 354 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: you something, the ritual and the celebration and the and 355 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: the real intimate like feeling of contact and connection with 356 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: my sister was unbelievable. 357 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: That would have made her extremely extremely happy. Thank you 358 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: for sharing that story with me. 359 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: I know that got along little long winded. I haven't never. 360 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever told that that's that's I've never. 361 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: It's that it almost got me teary eyed. 362 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: And you have the beautiful tattoo honoring her. 363 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: So this is what I didn't get to that point, 364 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: but I had that tattooed on my arms. It's not mistake, 365 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: and I didn't get it. I always used make fun 366 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: of my sisters, saying, now mistake, now a stay hippie day, 367 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: Now mistake, Yeah, exactly. And I was talking to her 368 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: girlfriends who were outside and crying, and I said, what 369 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: is not a saying? And it's really something I've adopted. 370 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: It's something I've always lived by, and I didn't know it, 371 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: but it is something that I think is so true 372 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: and not a mistake. The people you'd say it by 373 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: God or power or but the God and me or 374 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: the power in me recognizes the power in you. And 375 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: if you really celebrate people as the center of their universe, 376 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: and like you really take the time to acknowledge people 377 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: and recognize that from their perspective, they are the center 378 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: of the universe because it's all being seen in their eyes. 379 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: Let me take the time to give people that recognition 380 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 2: and that respect. Then it really opens up a lot 381 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: of doors. And just do it, because that's how you should. 382 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: You should treat everybody with respect, you don't know who 383 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: they are. 384 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: I call this show now What because it's really about 385 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: those pivotal moments, the things that changed our lives, either 386 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: for better or for worse, whether we realized it at 387 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: the time. Other than that one, what is another moment 388 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: that comes to mind for you? 389 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: I was a was it a fatality car accident when 390 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: I was nineteen, when I was in college, and I 391 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: think I had a little bit. I wasn't driving, I 392 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: was in the backseat, and unfortunately I was with a 393 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: bunch of guys and the one guy you know, and 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: we were drinking and I think I was nineteen eighteen 395 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 2: nineteen on my sister's birthday, by the way, we'll talk 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: about weird. And we were screwing off and actually we're 397 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: down at the drag boat races in Las Vegas and 398 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: this guy saw a cop and he was drinking and 399 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: we were camping, not you know, half mile away, and uh, 400 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: he took off and they got we got chased, and 401 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: the car flipped and one of the guy next to 402 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: me was killed and it was horrific and I was 403 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: everybody was messed up, and I had to go flight 404 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: for life in the helicopter, in the whole thing. And 405 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: I woke up in the hospital, handcuffed to the gurney, 406 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: with everybody in that car saying I was the one 407 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: that was driving. They were all in the military together. 408 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: They were in a campsite next to the campsite I 409 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: was at. And I had been through enough, not near 410 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: death things in my life, but kind of lived a 411 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: little fast and hard and crow wild and having to 412 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: call my parents and tell them what was up, and 413 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: having to get an attorney and having to fight this 414 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: potential situation. They came to the college and you know, 415 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: the rest of me in my dorm room, you know, 416 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 2: picked me up and took me. You know. It was 417 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: it just got It was going bad after worse because 418 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: everybody was saying that I was and anyhow the cops 419 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: knew I wasn't. But it was like a reel. Like 420 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: my dad told me, he says, you cut the ship. 421 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: You're not invincible, you know you can't. It's not you know, 422 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: this isn't this is for real. Now you know this 423 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: is not get You know you're not in Ferndale. You 424 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: know you're in your hometown anymore. You're in Las Vegas. 425 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: You know you're big time. So you got to you 426 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: gotta focus. And you know there's all those miss It's 427 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: the things I teach my kids all the time. Don't 428 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: trust anybody to drive. You, don't trust anybody puts in 429 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: a drink and gives you. Don't trust anybody tells you 430 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: that you know this is safe for this is smart. 431 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: You have to be the master of your domain. You 432 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: have to be in control of your environment. And it 433 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: was like, what there is that? There's the there's the 434 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: fifteenth there's the fifteen percent that I've been missing. And 435 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: I will tell you brook it really was. And again 436 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: you tell me you're getting goosebumps out of me on everything. 437 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, okay, my family did have any money. 438 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: I'm not the smartest kid, didn't get the invest grades, 439 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: da da dah. But if I'm gonna win, it's I'm 440 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: gonna win based upon how hard I play and how 441 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: disciplined I am, and how driven and how controlled I am. 442 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: And if I do that, then then I have a 443 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: better chance of getting through this. That was it. 444 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: That is a now what moment? And you heard it? 445 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: And your kids are really lucky that they have I 446 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: and Laura's parents for so many reasons. How does parenting 447 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: continue to change you? 448 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's the greatest reflection of who you are. 449 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: You know. That old saying is you see you see 450 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: in others what you don't like in yourself. You know, 451 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: I got two boys that are both sides of me, 452 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: you know, and of. 453 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: Laurie as well. But and they have a lot of 454 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: energy like you too. 455 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, one does and one you know, one is one 456 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: way and one is the other. I mean, Hunter and Writer, 457 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: I mean they're best friends. They're nine years apart. But 458 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: the truth of it is is, you know, there's things 459 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: that are so Writer, that are so mean, and then 460 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: so writers with Laurie, and then there's things that are Hunters, 461 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: the writers Lory. You know, Hunter's got this work ethic 462 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: to do to you know, and all the things he does, 463 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: and he works in the company and so forth. And 464 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: then Writer has this personal self drive ethink, but not 465 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: the work ethic. You know. It's I cannot make sense 466 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: of it. All I know is that if you will 467 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: allow yourself to be a student of your kids, you 468 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: will learn to be a better person. And for me 469 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: at least, I should say, learn to be a better 470 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: person and learn to see the world on a much 471 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: bigger plane, versus believing that you know it all, that 472 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: you have it all figured out, and that everybody should 473 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: follow your way. I believe everybody in this organization, this family, 474 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: this tribe, this group should participate in the forward progression 475 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: of what we do. 476 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: I think you show that to the people around you. 477 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: I think you take in the world. I think you 478 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: so so much to the industry. And I'm curious about 479 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: the role that food plays in that. How do you 480 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: think food has shaped how you view and interact with 481 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: the world. 482 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you. I'll tell you what food was 483 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: or food is for me. It's it's my portal. I 484 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: was never I mean, I was an okay athlete, not 485 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 2: a real good you know, not a real good student. 486 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you know bees you know. When I 487 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: got to college, I went to UNLV. When I got 488 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: to college, I graduated UNLV with a three three. I 489 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: mean otherwise, ga I was my general ed stuff. I 490 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 2: was just like whatever you know. I knew I had 491 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 2: to go to college. I wasn't a question. But when 492 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: I got into my industry, when I got into food, 493 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: I knew, this is what I want to do. I 494 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: knew I wanted to do food. When I was a kid, 495 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: I used to think being sick, fake being sick to 496 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: go to school because we had the book The Joy 497 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: of Cooking. I mean, they gave you all the answers. 498 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: They gave you the answers. I had to do was 499 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: take the stuff and follow. I mean, like I finally 500 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: understood why reading was so important. I had this epiphany. 501 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: So I loved this. Uh So food was my that 502 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 2: was my vehicle, that was my platform, that was my thing. 503 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: That was something I could always do. I mean I 504 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: wasn't they. I don't think I was the best open 505 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: guy in school, but I was a guy that knew 506 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: how to cook. A lot easier to get a girl 507 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: to go out with you when you can make shrimps, scampy, 508 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, when you can cook something. 509 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good date food, is it? 510 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: I thought? 511 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: So absolutely? 512 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like yeah. 513 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean you know what my husband is is such 514 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 1: a great cook and one of the first things ever 515 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: he cooked me a meal and it was revelatory for me. 516 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: I was just like, what is happening? Because I make food, 517 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: don't cook. Yeah, so that was a revelation for me. 518 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: If you were to look back at your whole life, 519 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: and it could be one word, should be one word, 520 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: what's your through line? 521 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 2: See there's generic ones, you know, like love, because I 522 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 2: love things. I mean I love. I am passionate about 523 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: my family. I am passionate about anything I say I'm 524 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: gonna do. I do anything that I so so loving 525 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: something like having real belief in something, having real connection 526 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: to something. Cars, I love my old hot rods. Anything 527 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: that I get into, I get into. I mean I 528 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: am not I'm an all or nothing kind of person 529 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: about stuff, So that to me is it. But I 530 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: think the most the thing that's the most important to 531 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: me though, out of everything, is family. I mean I 532 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 2: have my mom and dad. Are I can't you know? 533 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: I write to him every time for any holiday or anything. 534 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: I just say, I aspire to be my nephew Jules. 535 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: I never thought I said this the other day. I 536 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: never thought I could love another child like my child. 537 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: But I love jewels like I love my two boys. 538 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he's just he's so you know, so it's 539 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: a crazy thing that but no family to me and 540 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: carrying on my sister's legacy, and then also you know, 541 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: being so involved with my other family, with my extended family, 542 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: with you know, with my cousins and all the things 543 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: that we get to do, and it's just so it's 544 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: like we do you know, I hold big family re unions. 545 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: I can. I have the resources and the power to 546 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: do it. We film it, you know. We we did 547 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: a family reunion. We did a family union. Who won 548 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: an Emmy for it? You know, Guy's family re union. 549 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: It was awesome. 550 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: That was Guy Fearing. If you love him as much 551 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: as I do, go watch one of his many Food 552 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: Network shows, or eat at one of his many restaurants, 553 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: or pick up any of his cookbooks. That's it for 554 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: us today. Talk to you next week. 555 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: Now. 556 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: What with Burke Shields is a production of iHeartRadio. Our 557 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: lead producer and wonderful showrunner is Julia Weaver. 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