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I used to always say that, yeah, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.440 because I started hunting turkeys in Nebraska and started killing 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.680 turkeys in Nebraska, and they would say, yeah, but you 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.600 really haven't hunted a turkey. Yeah, let me tell you 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.919 about these hurricanes down here where we're from. Yeah. So 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.400 that's that's where it started from me. I think that 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.000 I haven't hunted Nebraska, but my understanding of it and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.080 the type of turkey that's running around there, uh, I 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.960 could see that that might be true, that Missouri's harder 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.560 than that. But are you guys to me with the 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.040 Missouri's the hard how many states have you hunted turkeys 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.160 in Parker A lot? I don't have to add him up, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.440 but I don't know that more than a dozen, more 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:07.480 than a dozen brandon how turkeys in half a dozen 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.640 or so. But I got a theory on why people 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.200 say they're the hardest to kill, and that's because at 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.960 the time in our country, when so many game species 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.840 were being extra pated, the wild turkey was able to 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.200 hold on just in a small amount down here in 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.120 southern Missouri and in the Ozarks. And then in the 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.320 nineteen thirties when they really started trying to turn things 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.079 around with conservation and started their game survey on turkeys, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.720 it was a Starker Leopold that was down here working 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.600 on the wild turkey. These turkeys ended up becoming the 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.200 basically the stock that was used to not only repopulate 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.600 other parts of Missouri, but then Missouri turkeys were taken 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:50.440 to Wisconsin, in Indiana and other Midwestern states. So the 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.240 the whole repopulation of the wild turkey across the eastern 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.520 United States has a lot to do with these turkeys 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.080 that were just unkillable in the other But I feel 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.560 like I've heard though the Missouri is not the only 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.440 holdout that there were. There were holdouts. I've heard that 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:10.400 about swamps of South Carolina, Alabama, Alabama head holdouts, north 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.200 and south North Carolina in the high country, right South 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.039 Carolina in the lower country. Yeah, that's certainly, you know true. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.480 Other places there was it was down to nineteen states, 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.560 but they had some numbers some some unknown number and 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.520 maybe it's not specific. I don't know if it's no 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.320 one for sure, but somewhere around that many states and 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.840 most of the states now most of these states are 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.719 probably southeast, and I feel like that's where you most 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.320 commonly here that Yeah, we have the hardest, toughest turkeys. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.480 It's like Southeast. But I'm buying because they couldn't have 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.880 been that tough in Michigan because they got them all. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.880 It's like they got them all. And then, yeah, I'll 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.680 buy that the toughest turkey because they got the home 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.719 field advantage. No one. They just been here, they know it. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.600 And it's rugged, remote rural country. A lot of it's 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.239 hard to get into. I mean, it's hard to shoot 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.760 him from the roads in some of these places. You 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.520 gotta get way back in there, and they find little 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:18.000 pockets where they could hold out. Yeah, how many did 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.640 you answer me? How many states you want to turkeys? In? 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:26.799 Half dozen or so? In Montana, South Dakota, New York, Indiana, Missouri, Texas. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:31.080 You've gotten around fair bit and then uh, Park, you've 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.200 hunted him in a boatload of places. And your old 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.160 man huntsome hard. He does, he does, and he's actually 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.719 got my mom and hunting them hard. So I don't know, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.240 I don't know how it happened. But all of a sudden, she's, uh, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.240 she's chasing him. Man. She started, she has she is, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.159 she has the disease. You know, she can call better 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.680 than me, and the whole thing. Yeah, she's into it. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.560 And they start in Florida. Yeah, I'll start in Florida. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.880 And then in what time you're hunting in Florida, you know, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.240 Florida in in February, you know, South Florida. The season 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.880 comes in. So they started breeding and nesting in February, February, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.719 and it is migrated northward. Yeah, yeah, north and west. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.320 So they'll wind up where by the end of the year, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.960 down in Mexico or what last year, Yeah, Dad ended 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.200 up in Mexico. Um this year, I don't know what 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.360 the plan is. I know they're they're in Texas or 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.159 they've already been. I don't know. He's got several turkeys 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.920 under his under his belt, and I get the get 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.279 the pictures. Starting in February, you know, we're still snow here, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.760 and and Dad's already you know, knocking back to spring Turkey. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.400 So yeah, now we showed up here the other day. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.600 It was it's kind of like amazing that the difference 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.719 from the conditions. I mean, I was full on pulling 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.480 my fingers in making fists inside my gloves. Parker got 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.000 snowed out opening day. Yeah, and in the northern part 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.440 of the state, we had an inch of snow and 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.559 twenty five winds and you know, as the the snow 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.680 pellets were hitting me in the face, I was questioning 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.400 my sanity. But you know, after waiting for a for 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.960 a year, man, you can't miss it. And now it's 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.480 eighty one degrees. We were stoking the wood stove on 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.840 Monday and now we need the air condition er plugged in. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.480 On Wednesday, yeah, we got down here to to we say, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:20.040 south central Missouri in the old s arcs, that's right, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.880 and got down here and it looked like man. When 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.200 we showed up here to hunt, it looked like, uh, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.320 I was not feeling optimistic. It looked like just wintertime. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.320 And it did like the trees aren't butted out. Yeah, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.240 it's been it's been a just abnormally long winter here. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.960 Our youth season, um typically we see a harvest of 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.560 about four thousand birds, and this year we only had 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.800 seventeen hundred. It was nineteen degrees on opening morning a 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.440 youth season. I had my my daughter out dressed up, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.760 you know, like it was a November deer hunt. So 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.000 it was. It was pretty horrible conditions and that held 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.320 on until opening day, and the weather really broke yesterday 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.520 and that really like cat heavy duty into the That's 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.320 kind of nice testament to what the weather can do 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.240 to you when your turkey hunt. We hunted up a 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.920 property that's just a private piece of ground. It's overloaded 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.280 with turkeys, and we heard one gobble each day. We 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.560 had five youth hunters on the property and nobody killed 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.960 a bird. And I would have bet going into it 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.000 four out of five, if not five out of five. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.040 They just weren't moving. They were all flocked up still 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.520 in their winter flocks, and it was just horrible conditions. Yeah, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:28.800 and we showed up here the ore night. It was 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.920 so cold, and I'm sleeping in a sleeping bag. I'm 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.440 just sleeping in mummy bags, sleeping in the old school 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.520 or open top. What are they call those things? Those 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.040 are Butler bags? No relation, but you know, I mean, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.400 like the type of bags even have a name. It's 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.640 like classic sleeping bag, like a rectangular sleeping bag. Yeah, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.000 I don't know. Did No, No No matter how thick it is, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.200 you can still feel the breeze coming into the top 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.080 of the thing. I know people complain about mummy bags, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.000 but a mummy bag is like a genius invention. You 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.720 could you could fit. I'm not to dog. I don't 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.040 want to dog to have you on your sleep bags. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.839 I like them. I've been sleeping great. But you could stuff. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:14.000 You could fit ten zero degree mummy bags in that 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.280 sleeping bag. Yeah, man, But when you're in a mummy bag, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.880 your shoulders are all constricted. I get it. For backpacking, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.079 it's like I'm snuggling with my wife. Man, It's like 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.000 I'm spooning with my wife. But the bag makes me 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.240 feel like I am, and so I sleep better. I 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.080 just like those kind of bags and yeah, and I 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:31.840 was like taking a breeze in through the top of 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.640 my bag. If you come back, I will have a 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.640 mummy bag. I don't know, I like that one. It 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.960 just I just had hadn't slept in one of those 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.240 for so long. I kind of forgot and it wasn't 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:44.320 aware that people were still manufacturing them. But I understand it. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.280 But I'm just to point out how un turkey like 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.640 it wasn't we showed up here because when I hunt turkeys, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.840 I want to see I'm expecting to come up on 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.200 little water holes and see little tadpoles in them. The 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.880 world coming to life. Yeah, that's part of the majesty 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.720 spring turkey season is you're there for the awakening of 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.040 all things trees and bushes. Everything's budding out, birds are 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.560 building nests the whole. It's like insects are coming up alive. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.320 I think that made the hunting harder, to the fact 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.040 that the woods are still so wide open. I mean, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.160 Parker and I were in a situation this morning where 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.600 we just had nowhere to hide. We don't get ahead 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:30.640 of ourselves too much everybody, I suppose we don't have to. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.640 But you know, my dad really really appreciates it when 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.439 we do that. For I was gonna get to it, 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.520 but since it's important to you to do it now 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.000 as the whole dealing cards, we will start with me 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:47.200 and and move this this away. Are you the dealer, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.640 I'm the dealer. Well, then we went and start with you. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.160 If we're doing it as we're dealing cards, that's a 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:59.800 good point. You'd be shot madly. Brandon, I'm Brandon Butler, 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:05.040 the executive director of the Conservation Federation Missouri. I'm Steve Jones. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.600 I'm a board member of the Conservation Federation of Missouri. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.679 And yeah, and uh and also, you guys are always 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.240 talking business. Yeah, I knew you were involved. I don't 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.120 know you were a board member. And uh also a 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.480 board member of Missouri Hunters for Fair Chase, organization that's 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.439 working on chronic wasting disease topics. Can you guys real 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.040 quick spell out long as we're doing the intro stuff, Um, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.280 can you real quick spell out what the Federation does. Yeah, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:37.160 we're Missouri's largest nonprofit conservation organization. We really work on education, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.920 advocacy and through partnerships, we have ninety two affiliated organizations 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.920 where the group that can bring together hunters and anglers 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.640 with bird watchers and parks enthusiasts. We kinda we bring 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:53.720 everybody together to focus on natural resource policy. Um, A 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.560 couple of big issues that we deal with here in 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.240 Missouri is we have a unique constitutional authority for our 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.160 department Council Ovation, and we work to advocate on behalf 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.440 of that, and the dedicated funding that we have through 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.200 a few sales taxes, and then any other friend issues 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.679 that come up, like chronic wasting disease is a big 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.240 one force in the last couple of years. But really 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.160 those those kind of key issues of constitutional authority and 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.200 dedicated funding for the Department of Conservation. Yeah, I want 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.480 you know, let's just let's let's talk about this real 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.640 quick right now, because we spend a ton of time 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:28.760 talking about how wildlife work is funded in the US, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.280 and we're always pointing out that most fish and game 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.240 agencies draw the bulk of their funding from excise taxes 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.760 on guns and ammunition and other sporting goods, equipment, and 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.880 sales of licenses, tags, and stamps. So basically, hunters and 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.120 anglers fund wildlife conservation at the state level. But Missouri 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:54.640 went in and put in a little itty bitty teeny 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.720 sales tax like a what of a penny? It's one 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.000 eighth of a cent and it adds up to the 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:05.480 tune of what hundred and twenty million a year. That's 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:10.400 pretty incredible, it really is. And people voted this in yeah, yeah, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.760 y six. We also have a secondary sales tax that 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.400 supports park, soil and water, and people have to revote 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.320 on that every ten years. And in Missouri in the 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.640 two thousand and sixteen election, in November election, when we 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.560 saw our country so divided, we passed that vote to 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.199 self impose the sales tax, a one tenth of a 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.000 cent sales tax, with eighty point one percent of the vote, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.800 and we passed it in a hundred and fourteen out 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.320 of a hundred and fourteen counties. So we got eighty 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.760 point one percent of Missourians to agree the self tax 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.240 themselves to fund our state parks, healthy soil and clean 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.120 water and the other So we know that of people 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.240 in Missouri hate mother nature. Yeah, that's not bad. It's 0:13:53.280 --> 0:14:00.199 pretty so does that? No? Yeah, And he want to 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.400 introduce yourself the eagle, the eagle, and then also the 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.760 producer and then uh Parker Parker Hall I'm a wildlife 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.440 ball just with the U. S. Park of Agriculture. Well, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.160 so you're coming at this, professor, you're coming at this 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:18.440 with your I'm coming at you today as a lonely 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:23.760 defeated Missouri it was our turkey hunter. Okay, So that's 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.960 that's your angle. That's my angle. Not speaking as a professional, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.880 just a loser defeat, speaking at a loser who's had 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.880 close calls. Defeat. So we get down here to do 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.120 this and it's like, and I remember that right we 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.080 met up Brandon, I said, do you hear any gobbles? 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.800 And you didn't really answer, but you were just like, man, 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.520 I was nervous. I mean, I'll be honest, you guys 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.120 came a long way to hunt turkeys. It's not like 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.880 you're going on some you know, major expedition. So you're 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.840 traveling all the way down here to hunt turkeys. I 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.800 wanted to make sure you had a good hunt and 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.000 the kind of hunt that I think you guys enjoy 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.520 a back country hunt, and show you that even in 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.800 the eastern, you know, or midwestern part of the country, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.760 we can find places really rule and remote and and 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.720 get miles back in there. But if you can hear 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.920 him Goblin. It's not like you can set up on 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.120 an egg field and glass form. There's you know, you've 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.320 gotta be able to hear him Goblin in these hills 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.600 to be able to locate them and go after them. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.480 And they were not talking on Monday. No, it had 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.000 everything going against it. Were the stiff wind, so very cold, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.680 a stiff wind, and just like that kind of wintry 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.920 nous man like no leaves on the trees, extremely noisy 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.200 to walk around. It was different than any season I've 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.960 ever seen before. And like the turkey is gonna spot 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.440 you from a thousand miles away and you can't you 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.320 can't sneak up on them because the leaves are so 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.960 damned noisy and it's so windy. But then there's no cover, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.240 like like leaves make it like leaves on the trees 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.000 makes that you can kind of move around a little 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.160 bit without every turkey in the world know when you're there. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.280 But here, man, it's like when they're gonna know you're 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.200 coming because it's so loud and too, they're gonna know 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.720 you're coming because there's no leaves that we're hunting, just 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.760 big oak forests. There's not a lot of undergrowth at 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.280 any time a year, but usually there is at least 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.280 some some foliage on the saplings, and like you said, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.200 you can blend into that. But yeah, it's wide open 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.040 right now. Yeah, when we left here, well, first we 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.480 had to deal with a straight pitbull. Yeah, we had 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.080 a we had a dog, a stray dog try to 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.080 accompany us and dealt with that. And then we got 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.200 out and went up on a big ridge and the 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.440 plan was just to go up and listen and make racket. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:47.640 Because when you, like, like in the spring, we're trying 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.120 to do, you're trying to find a male turkey what 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.720 you call tom or call a gobbler. You're trying to 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.520 find a male turkey and make and coax it in 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.840 with the sounds of a female turkey. And you're sort 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.480 of trying to subvert what normally goes on, as well 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.080 as generally understood is generally a tom or a gobbler 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.800 goes out and gobbles and hence come to him. What 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.400 you're trying to do is switch that around and and 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.399 somehow entice him into coming to you. And there's a 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.320 ton of reasons he doesn't want to do this. The 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.280 first step in this spring hunting is just to find 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:28.879 a gobbler. And you generally find a gobbler by hearing 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.639 his gobble. And there are things you can do to 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:36.880 make him gobble. Um. Commonly, before it gets light out, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.280 you do a thing just called they called shock gobbling. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:46.280 No one knows, Parker, Do you have no idea, No 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.960 one knows why. But for whatever reason, it's a real 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.119 vulnerability to the species. For whatever reason, in the spring 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.080 of the year and other times a year, two gobbler's 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:05.879 gobble at loud sudden noises. I have heard gobbler's gobble. Two. 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.000 You guys can add when I get done, or we'll start. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.240 Let's do it like this. I will start as the dealer. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.560 I will risk that being shot. I will name a 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.640 thing that I've heard of, gobbler gobble too, and we'll 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.879 just go around the room until we've exhausted. When you 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.880 when you when you tap, when you gotta tap out, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:33.560 tap out car horns, when you shoot their buddy thunder 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.760 car doors, rumble strips on the side of the red yes, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:51.240 down down, that's good, um, just simply going Hey, reeled 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:58.159 out the woods, who DoLS crows, jake breaks woodpeckers, a 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:04.440 sonic boom, dogs barking, no one did they yet? No 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:15.440 hawk screaming, goose really hawking, Yeah, train horns, redtail hawk. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.879 The sound that they people who don't know better dub 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.280 over bald eagles. Like when you're watching something there's a 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.480 bald eagle, they play a noise that's the redtail howk 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.200 Yeah so yeah, redtail hawk. And I can tell you, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.480 I could. I could take you right now and show 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.639 you the tree hours under when it happened four with 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:46.119 their backfiring king. Yeah. Yeah, um, I might be running 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:50.680 out man, man, any lot of noise works, but yeah, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:55.520 I'm tapping out. Do you got more? I'm tapping a 0:19:55.640 --> 0:20:00.640 rumble strip. Rumble strips. Yeah. So stuff like that make 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.959 And I've said his full on this show that uh 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.040 I remember some time Will Primos, the great call maker. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.520 Will Primos was trying to put his finger on why 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.840 Gobbler's gobble to noises and he was He said something 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.879 to the effect of, it's just him saying, this is 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.080 my time of the year. But I've heard him do 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.840 other times a year two. So, if you're trying to 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.840 hunt turkeys and you go out in the dark in 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.240 the morning, you go out and just start raising a 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.639 ruckus uh to try to get one to gobble, and 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:34.960 people bring I think like a little bit too much 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:39.639 thought to it because we use you know what I 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:44.000 didn't add. I've used predator calls. So I just take 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.520 a rabbit squealer predator call and just give it the 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.639 most loud, heinous, sudden squeal that I can out of 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.879 there because it really carries. But some people would say, 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.840 oh yeah, but he'll never come in that direction because 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.520 he thinks that something is killing a rabbit over there. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.320 So people justly try to shot God, but by making 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:11.280 more benign sounds such as crows. Buddy Eric always used 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.880 the peacock call for some reason, which he felt, uh 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.479 didn't send any message to the turkey because he's never 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:24.200 heard of peacock before. Um My preferred one as a 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:28.560 crow call. Would you guys agree with that? Like it's 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.480 bad to be gapping on a Kyle Howler and then 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.840 trying to call it turkey and that turkey go to 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:39.320 where Kayo was. I think you're giving him too much credit. 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.239 They have I'm not doing that. They have them. There 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.240 are those who believe they have amazing instincts and self 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.320 preservation and census. But I don't think I can credit 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.160 him with that much smarts. But it just makes sense 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.359 to use a sound that you know they're used to hearing, 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.159 like a crow or like a hood owl. Uh. But 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.520 when you're up like like not the first morning was 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.760 dead because it's so windy. But when you're there, there's 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.520 all manner of there's all manner of owls going off 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.879 up there, and they're not getting gobbles. Well, they do 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.719 get gobbles when the bird of goblin. Yeah, But then 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.679 I take my crow and I do I do a 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.520 thing called that. I called that I just yesterday decided 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.600 to dub the Corvett because I take a crow call 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:22.800 and blow it with the cadence of a pistoe off 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.679 blue jay and I get I mean, yeah, he can 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:32.439 attest I am. I am a very effective getter of 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.480 shot gobbles, better than I am of calling turkeys like 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.760 I'm kind of I specialize in getting them, specialize and 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:44.200 get them the shot gobble by just making a very 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:49.640 unusual sound. It's so grating that johannest will always want 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.920 to ask for time to get away from you before 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:56.480 I do it that kind of noise. It worked yesterday. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:00.240 It just gets him to gobble. Yeah, it's we go 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.320 up in the squealing, asked Wind to go do this 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.840 and nothing happens. Yeah, the first morning, run off the 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:11.399 pit bull, go up the hill. Nothing. You made a 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.520 joke that it was like Rachel Carlson's Silent Spring, like 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:21.160 the Silent Spring happening. It was, it was. It was depressing. 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:22.880 You know, I've been planning this for a few months 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.359 with you, and I'm thinking, you know, we'll go up 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.800 to this spot where I always hear bird's gobble from 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:31.119 and we'll deploy in teams and you guys will go 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.720 after this bird goblin, will go after this bird goblin. 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.520 And there was nothing. I had nothing, so we went. Yeah, 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.920 I was even thinking bad thoughts about you, like this 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:45.240 guy don't know. This is the most god forsake and 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:49.679 Ridge I remember. Yeah, we walked a long way and 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.240 you and I never heard of bird gobble that whole day. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.479 You can hunt till one for turkeys. Yes, yes, I've 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.359