WEBVTT - Batman with Riley Silverman 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.120 On thee cast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.520 and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.680 or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.880 changing it with the bel cast. Hi, welcome to the 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.360 bec dol Cast. I'm Jamie Loftus, I'm Caitlin Toronto and 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.360 where your hosts we are? That was really close? Yeah, 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.160 that wait close to what being to the normal intro. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.160 I think you actually say you know, I'm your Well 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.519 usually you say I'm your first host, and then I 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.720 have to say I'm your second host, and that makes 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:40.320 never good. That's happened at least twice. I don't say 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.680 or I say or maybe I'm just I'm like, i'm 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.319 your projectives. Yeah, that's what happens. I just say I'm 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.680 your host, Caitlin, and then you say I'm your other 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.960 host and get really insecure at the top of every 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.440 episode and then dial back for the remainder of the 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.680 episode like you're too hard on yourself. Hopefully that doesn't 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.920 happen time around. James Jasper great and I like you 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.319 so much. I just wish people would tell me that 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.160 all the time. Oh, text you at least once a 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:16.040 day with those every uh. Well, just to give you 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.440 an idea of what this podcast is about. If you 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.680 haven't listened to any other episodes, which you should do, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.080 but if you haven't, we talk about the portrayal of 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.440 female characters in movies and going off the Bechtel. That's 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:34.640 Alison Bechdel. She has a test, and we, uh, look 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.640 up the test. Look it up, guys, just look up. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:42.920 There's a whole internet out there with information. I like 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.199 that when we say look up the test long enough 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.120 to have actually explained the test, I know I'll get there. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.920 Get there, we will, and let's without let's not stall 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.160 any longer. How about we introduce our guests this week. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.800 I'm excited. Yeah, she is a median and a very 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:05.200 funny person. Riley Silverman, thanks for having me, Thanks for 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.560 being here. I'm a comedian and a very funny person. Yes, right, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.280 because sometimes those two things are not true. That is 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.480 very true. I know a lot of comedians who are 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.800 not funny, and I know a lot of funny people 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.640 who are not comedians. So both you are both. Congratulations. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:27.079 That a rarity, a true because sometimes you're just exactly 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.520 like sometimes you're just a comedian and associopath, But you're 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.880 not funny. That happens a lot in today's movie. Actually 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.320 it's true that was I was foreshadowing. Yes, good job, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.240 I wasn't sub tweeting. And speaking of that movie, we 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:50.600 are talking about Tim Burton's Batman from nineteen nine, uh Riley, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.760 when like, what was the first time you saw this 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.920 movie or what's like your relationship to this movie. I 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.160 have a weird, complicated history of this movie because I 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.760 did see it when it came out because I was 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.400 I was people thought I was a boy, and uh, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.480 I was a I was a nerd and so like 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.840 a superhero movie coming out was like right up my alley, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.560 like it was. It was huge, and I was obsessed 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.560 with Batman at that point in time, and I you know, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.840 because that's what was there. And at that point, my 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.320 only real major experience of Batman had been the nineteen 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.359 sixties six TV series, which is like, so can't be 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.120 in at the top. Yeah, And so then I had 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.800 a few comics and stuff like that, but like not 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.960 a lot. And I remember this movie came out and 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.120 then also I was struggling at my gender identity and 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.239 there was a cracked magazine parody of Batman. That was like, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.560 because I did the movie comic parody every time movie 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.280 would come out, because that name was everywhere. And there 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.280 is a scene in this movie where um, Vicky Vale 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.120 gets let into the bat Cave and like, we'll talk 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.080 about that more later, I'm sure, but like, um, in 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.160 the comic, they kind of slimmed that down a little 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.400 bit and they just had Bruce kind of like come 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.680 out to Vicky as being Batman, which is a scene 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.840 in the movie as well, but doesn't happen, but in 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.920 the in the comic, he like steps out and he's 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.720 in the bath suit and he's like, I something to 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.440 tell you whatever, And she's like, oh, you're a transvestite, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.880 And like, I I am a transgender woman. I'm not transvestite. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.960 It's not a word that I used anymore, but it 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.000 was the very first word that I ever heard to 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.760 describe anyone of like a variant general identity. So it's 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.240 like this weird thing. And I remember I had a 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.080 babysitter and I was reading this crap comic and I 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.320 remember asking my babysitter like, what is it? What does 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.320 transvestite mean? And she was like, Oh, it's a term 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.440 for like men who dressed up like women because they 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:26.800 want to be women. And I said, oh, that's what 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.120 I am. Like, that's like a thing that happened and 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.039 like my childhood, and I remember like freaking out my 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:32.440 so like you can't tell your parents told you. But 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.800 that means like he's gonna be like like she didn't 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.480 know because she's a teenager who's like just being paid 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.040 like a couple bucks an hour to watch HBO at 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.760 my house. Um, but yeah, that's that's like so Batman 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.160 has always been this weird like tie into my coming out. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.320 And I was talking to Caitlin off Mike before you 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.160 got here, Jamie about how there's also an episode of 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.880 the Batman animated series where Poison Ivy and Hardly Quinn 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.240 having a girl's night out in the town and I 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.760 remember that being like my first film slash, Like yeah, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.320 like I've been obsessed with that episodes ever since. It's 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.920 like my like first like in my like baby Riley, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.200 queer girl like like lesbian pairs like like like fan 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.800 fick in my And it's actually now in the comics 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.600 a little actually kind of made a cannon. Those two 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.840 are actually are a couple and it's like my like, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.760 someone just like channeled my childhood into pages and made 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.080 it a thing. I love it. Yeah, everything is connected. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.159 I used to my did you have like cartoons that 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.880 you wanted to make out when you were younger? Nothing 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:32.839 comes to mind, but I think you're lying. I know 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.480 if I had, I wish I had something to say, 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.960 because what kind of a nerd are you that you 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:43.680 don't have cartoon makeout fantasies? Um, yeah, that was ironic. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.880 Actually I was. I was not actually calling you a nerd. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.479 I hope and and Nanchell. I don't want their cousin. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.320 And here's the thing. I didn't watch the many cartoons 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.320 as a kid because well, one we didn't have cable. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.279 I didn't have cable growing up, so I did have 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.640 like Nickelodeon or Disney or anything like that. I did 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.000 watch Gargoyles a lot. That was pretty good, but I 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.359 don't remember watching that many cartoons. I was like, I 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.920 don't even know what I watched. I watched the movies 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.400 that I still love now, like Indiana Jones and Back 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.880 to the Future. I wasn't watching a bunch of kid cartoons. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.240 And I think that's why I hate children, and I 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.240 directed towards children because I just never watched because it's 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.960 anything that's not children, it's Indiana Jones. Those are definitely 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:36.839 not hate kids, hate time travel and adventures only. No, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:46.480 I'm saying, well, those are things that, yeah, exactly can 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.479 enjoy those things. Also, I'm just saying I didn't watch 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.919 things that were only for a children audience that mine 0:06:55.480 --> 0:07:01.960 were dug In Skeeter, I actually didn't watch. I wanted 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.680 them to be together. That's what I wanted really bad. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.400 I can like summon what I used to think about. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.680 Just them kissing on a bench, like a very specific bench, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.040 and they were listening to the beats. Does the band 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.680 from Doug is dug in his crown man outfit, like 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.160 it's like a kinky thing that would be tight, that 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.040 would be like an episode of You were like underwear 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.960 on the outside of his hands on his forehead, put 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.520 my put your hands down my underwear and he's like, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:36.680 which pair? It's It's great, It's now now I've got 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.880 to go home and watch if anyone, if anyone listening 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.240 to the podcast wants to draw me some duck In 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.000 Skeeter scissoring, I can. I'm gonna look up. I think 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.760 there's got to be Like they're perfect. They compliment each 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.720 other in every way. That's why they're best friends. And 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.680 like they've got different body ties but not like to 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.920 like I'm just like that very long. He's like he 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:07.560 does have Like I didn't realize until like years later 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.880 that like the idea was supposed to be kind of that, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.760 like they were supposed to be like an interracial thing, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.000 like like a person of color, because he's drawn green, 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.480 Like I didn't get that that whole year, like any 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.360 It's it's weird because Doug is white. His whole family 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.720 is white, and then the rest of the characters are 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.800 just like various colors. Because Patty wasn't Patty many his 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.920 orange ish she was maybe he wasn't supposed to be 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.160 and I just erased us now like he was. And 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:43.480 then Roger the bully was like neon green. Last I 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.920 think I can't find anything of Skeeter and Dug together, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.880 but I'm finding a whole lot of Dug and Roger 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:53.800 stuff so much like it's like yer one, this is 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.640 very sweet. They're so in love. Uh well, this episode 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.720 is now about and no longer about that. Man, I 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.520 can't believe that there's no dug In Skinner. That was 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:10.360 a frozen cursory question. Jamie does and animations and I 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.000 have like a series of people I would like to 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.600 see scissor scissors. You should it? So how much would 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.680 I have to pay you for it? For freezies? So 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.679 it's just fun for me to do. I literally I 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.240 have the Batman animated Serious Poison, Ivy Harley Quinn, and 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.439 I actually the fun Co Pops And when I got them, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.240 I actually like posted them might be ever kissing. It's 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.600 like a picture of it, yes, five years old. Yes, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.920 And I'm kiggling. I'm literally giggling. I don't like, but like, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.640 I just love it so funny, like ridiculous, Like oh 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.680 my god, this is like sending a letter back to 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.800 my chop. Oh my favorite one I made uh is 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.160 for okay? And then I promise we'll talk about Batman. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.240 I'm trying to bring it about me. I'm just not 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.280 bringing it to about me in the movie. I'm actively 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.760 bringing it away over and over. My favorite scissoring one 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.200 that I would direct everyone too is young Henry Kissinger, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.760 an old I think I remember that one that was 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.800 a custom one for Josh Andraski, and yeah, because that's 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.240 what he would want. It's what he'd want. Well, look 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.880 it is it like on where can people find it? 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:21.880 I'll post it on our Twitter concrete. Jamie, What is 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.040 your history with this movie? Have you seen it before? 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.280 Guess no? No, I watched it today. As with every 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.319 movie we've ever done, I watched it today. I liked it. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.320 I thought it was great. Yeah, it was. It's so 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.720 much fun. It felt like July when I was watching it. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:44.040 I was a summer baffled. It was well, and did 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:49.080 not like Mad Max fury Road my brain Mad Max 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:55.559 fury Road. I I'm triggered. I don't talk about Mad 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.000 Max fury Road. I'll never bring it up again. But 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.280 I did not spatman. Okay, that's interesting, all right, we 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.559 will talk about it. Because so I saw this movie 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.040 for the first time. I think I was in college. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.880 I was probably like nineteen or twenty UM, which is 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.640 about ten years ago. Because I'm not afraid to reveal 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.880 my age. Yeah, I'm an aging woman in Hollywood. So 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.280 what Well. Sorry, I don't know why I started yelling, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.880 but I saw a calm down. I know you can 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.280 get so upset about things like, you know, I'm just 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.960 getting so emotional because of all of my hormones just 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.800 going haywire because I'm reaching menopause or whatever. I don't 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.760 know anyway, what is aging? Does it work? Time doesn't? 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:46.079 Is a construct and life is meaningless? Any who do 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.559 no life has meaning, and uh so does this podcast. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.320 So I've seen to maybe probably four times, and each 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.120 time I watch it I like it less and less. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.400 Well that's it. It's it's not a good movie for women, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.319 certainly not. I think it was a fun movie. I 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.760 don't like it. I remember liking it when I was 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.600 a kid, just because like, oh is that man like 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.280 it could have been It really could have been Batman 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.640 like like fighting City Hall over like some sort of 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.240 parking ticket. But if it was Batman, like that man's 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.120 in a movie and stuff like, I don't think that 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.400 I got any of what is actually happening movie when 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.280 I was a kid, And then I probably watched a 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:20.840 couple of times when I was like a teenager, but 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.080 not in a long time, and I was like not 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:24.959 prepared for how much of it was, Like, oh my god, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.520 I can't be up this movie. I think what happened 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.480 for me, it's so weird, but I'm on board. I 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.360 like it. I mean I liked it at the time 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.680 and it's still not bad. I mean I have it 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.120 on DVD, so I liked it enough to buy it. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.040 But um, I think what happened for me is that 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:45.360 I saw Christopher Nolan's trilogy and especially Batman Begins and 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.640 The Dark Knight. I just like those movies much more 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:53.640 then I think they're fantastic. Yeah, I love them. I 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.800 like the Joel Schumaker. Oh god, you've seen those ones 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.400 and not Tim Burton's. Okay, But the thing is, I 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.679 love Joel Schumacher. Like when I was growing up, if 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.560 anyone he's one of the worst favorite director, I'd be like, 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:16.000 I'm a Schumacher Man of the opportunities. But did he Yes, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.079 he did, of course he did. I want to get 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.880 on board here like in Schumacher. But you keep saying 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.479 movies that should not argue for Joel Schumacher has directed 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.160 only bad movies that I have enjoyed. That's like if 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.199 someone who's like, oh, I like I like in My Chiama, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.160 What do you love? Oh? I love the Happening, Like 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.320 that's the Lost Boys. Yeah, that's that's that's a movie 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:36.439 that if you had said that, I would not have 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.320 made fun of you for it. But you also made 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.800 Phone Booth. He made great flat liars. I like Flowers. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.760 He make the fanom of the Offers his best movie. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.120 He had a guitar solos to Andrew lid Webber. That's fun. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.840 Also Patrick Wilson and Anything. To be fair, I think 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.160 Fantom itself is like an overrated show and so like 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.800 the movie also is like it like takes like somehow 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.440 to just show that that gets really boring about halfway 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.720 through it and made it even more boring somehow it is. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.920 I mean it is a boring I'm very attached to 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.000 it because I used to sneak out of my house 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.040 and then put on like goth clothes and go see 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.440 the fan with Actually, what I'm getting from this, you're 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.440 like a fan of the opera and Batman is You 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.680 love movies that people have been horribly disfigured in the face, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.400 like that is your thing, love funked up face, and 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.560 you should have loved Fury, wrote I should have, But 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.400 it was the most boring movie I've ever seen in 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.360 my life. All Right, I was saying off Mike, but 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.640 I do like Batman Robin is a bad movie that 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.240 it's badly made and badly acted except for Uma Thermous 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.080 Poison Ivy, and she just like knocked out the park 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.160 to the point where she's like, I think there's a 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.400 lot of people in movies that are always like, very 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.560 aware the movie. Everyone everyone else isn't. And I feel 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.040 like she's an example of that. The famous most famous 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.760 when everyone thinks of his junior girl shown me in 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.680 the Show Girls, like she just knows exactly what she's 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.160 doing there. And I feel like even speaking of Batman, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.480 the newest, the Batman Versus Sperman movie, a lot of 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.600 people didn't like Jessie Eisenberg, but I loved him because 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.280 I feel like it's only one came to set every day. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.120 I was like, we're literally making a movie called Batman 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.600 or Superman. I'm not going to torn it down at all. Ever, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.960 the entire movie, I didn't see it, neither did I. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.320 He as Lex Luther and that, yeah, I got it. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.840 I've got a picture pulled up here of an almost 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:17.720 shirtless Joel Shoemaker gro that's just wikipedia picture. It's all 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.280 he would have wanted it I'm still alive. I'm gonna 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.600 just keep this sorry episode on track as best I 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:30.880 can't Batman because Batman is so like it's it's such 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.400 a far reaching thing. It's not just like one movie, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.520 but it is. Yeah, this movie is the movie itself 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.240 deserved we talked about. So the tricky thing about an 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:42.000 episode like this is we are basically isolating Batman to 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.600 this one movie. And like I was saying before, I'm 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.840 not um super familiar with any of the comic books 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.320 or any everything I know about Batman. I know from 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:55.200 the like seven Batman movies that I've seen, So sorry 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.520 to all you Batman super fans, I'll probably get some 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:02.080 things wrong about stuff, but and also grow up up. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.200 We're also like I'm not even I mean, I'm just 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.000 getting back into comics after a very long hiatus. But 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.840 it feels like DC resets their continuity on a pretty 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.240 regular basis. So I feel like if someone's like I 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:13.960 thought how things worked, It's like, Okay, well, what deck 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.800 are you talking about? Because a lot of things change 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:20.880 the work. I like that that makes it easy for um. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.480 As per usual, I will give a very terrible recap 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.480 of the story at no one's request, and as usual, 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.560 I will interrupt it a lot. I can't wait, okay, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:35.360 uh silently and say nothing. No, you can contribute. I 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.160 love interrupted. I wrote a really fast This is going 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.200 to go really fast. Okay. So there's a a Batman, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.080 but we don't sure he's real. They're like, there's a Batman. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.520 There's Batman, but we don't know if he's really are not, 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:48.760 and the bad guys are just kind of scared of 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.800 him but kind of not. And then he's like, no, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.120 it's me. I am Batman. Tell all your friends. And 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.760 meanwhile they're in the city of Gotham, in Gotham City, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.600 Gotham City, got it and there and the all the 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.120 politics are trying to crack down on crime because they're 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.600 a bunch of white guys. One of them is not 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:09.879 a white guy, Harvey turns White fort Man Forever, but 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.600 he is a black man in this film. Yes, so hey, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:18.800 good for them, District attorney. He uh. They're trying to 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.000 crack down on crime and specifically go after this mob 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.200 boss named Grisome and he has this right hand man 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.240 named Jack Napier. But he's trying to get rid of 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.560 Jack because they're like f and the same woman. So 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.480 they go to this chemical plant and Jack falls into 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.080 this vat of acid. It's like a corrupt cop who's 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.560 working for Grisome who tries to kill Jack, and then 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.920 Batman drops Jack. Yeah, and then he becomes the Joker 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.679 because his skin gets all bleached and his hair turns 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.040 green and he has a different personality. He has nerve 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.800 damage on his face that puts him in a perpetual 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.720 crazy grin. Yeah, so now he's the Joker. And then 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.040 there's also this lady named Vicky Vay and she's like, yo, 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.000 I'm a photographer. I'm trying to snap some photos of Batman. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.479 So hey, journalist friend named knocks, let's try to win 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:12.359 a political away. Oh the kind of hell out of me? Um? 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:18.840 And then she starts dating Bruce Wayne and then other 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.680 stuff happens. That's pretty much like the first act. Then 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.160 the Jokers like I'm bad and Batman's like, no, I'm 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:30.200 gonna get you. And then yeah, that's one thing like jokers. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.159 I know you're like a photographer and your famous, but 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.800 you're like like hot, not want to have you. I 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.480 love that scene where he first sees a picture of 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.600 her and he calls her a beast. He's like, this 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.360 kind of beast can't just be walking around. I was like, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:51.000 oh jeez, wait, who calls the Joker like a little 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.480 beast but doesn't even proceed it with a sexy adjective. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.080 He just straight up consert beast. Towards the end he 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.640 calls her a beast again. Whenever he's like, oh uh, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.919 this is fitting Beauty and the Beast, but if anyone 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.679 else calls you be still rip out their lungs. It 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.800 was hilarious because he was trying to call himself beauty. Hey, guys, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.720 listen to our Beauty and the Beast episode. That was 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.960 a fun one. Yeah, we've done what like ten episodes 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.560 not I've seen one movie. Oh. The Joker's plot that 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.840 he's doing is he has hidden these chemicals in cosmetics 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.879 around the city that when they're combined to make a 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.840 person laugh themselves to death and also get the same 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.639 nerve damage that he got him faced body being cut. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.879 But somehow they're all it's the chemical smile x. But 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:40.280 he also livings like an art project, seas an art banksy. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.560 I like the scene where he throws paint on the 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:47.760 other art and dances Prince remember the kid loving that 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.040 scene like I remember, not like I remember, Like I 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.800 think he was so much fun. And I love the 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.000 idea of like going to an art gallery and ruining 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.679 people's words. I loved it today. It's like what if 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.560 you and your friends just like when with your own 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:05.240 song and just ruined priceless Heart. He loves causing havoc 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.240 to music, like that's his whole thing in this movie. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.760 Like does this scene earlier on when he kills Griss 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.040 some Jack Palance's character, he like like suddenly does like 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.000 circus music playing. He's like firing his gun, but like 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.760 he's both shooting directly at him but also at every 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.959 other inch of the room, just like it's like dancing, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.080 does not throw the gun over his shoulder. So that's 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.800 the story. That was pretty quick I managed to get 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.320 it out. I thought I thought Jack Palance was Martin 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.640 Gen the resemblance. Yeah, yeah, because I was almost like, 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.960 because I'm like weirdly horny for Martin Gen. I was like, oh, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.480 but then it was Jack Palance, Like God damn it. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:46.959 I wanted I wanted the president, not the guy from 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:51.440 City Sluckers exactly. I wanted president part like I don't 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.240 want a guy's going to remissus amy his name at 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.240 the Academy war. No, I don't want Charlie Sheen's Daddio. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.800 I think of him as Amelio Esteves's dad. I want 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.360 to be their step mom. Cute. That would be such 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:11.399 a good mommy to hey, Charlie Amelia. There's another. I 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.919 think there's at least one other brother who's very Oh. No, 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.160 I think Martin Sheen has a okay the family tree. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.400 I always mixed up Martin Sheen wh I was younger. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:22.880 I don't do it so much more about Martin Sheen 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.280 and Uh, I don't think the guy who's married to 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.480 UM Captain Sata Jones um Michael Douglas some reason. As 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.080 a kid, I always thinks I think they had the 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.240 same haircut, and like I see their old white guys 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:37.560 who yeah, they're all Douglas, but they played Yeah, they 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.320