Speaker 1: On thee cast, the questions asked if movies have women
Speaker 1: and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start
Speaker 1: changing it with the bel cast. Hi, welcome to the
Speaker 1: bec dol Cast. I'm Jamie Loftus, I'm Caitlin Toronto and
Speaker 1: where your hosts we are? That was really close? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that wait close to what being to the normal intro.
Speaker 1: I think you actually say you know, I'm your Well
Speaker 1: usually you say I'm your first host, and then I
Speaker 1: have to say I'm your second host, and that makes
Speaker 1: never good. That's happened at least twice. I don't say
Speaker 1: or I say or maybe I'm just I'm like, i'm
Speaker 1: your projectives. Yeah, that's what happens. I just say I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Caitlin, and then you say I'm your other
Speaker 1: host and get really insecure at the top of every
Speaker 1: episode and then dial back for the remainder of the
Speaker 1: episode like you're too hard on yourself. Hopefully that doesn't
Speaker 1: happen time around. James Jasper great and I like you
Speaker 1: so much. I just wish people would tell me that
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh, text you at least once a
Speaker 1: day with those every uh. Well, just to give you
Speaker 1: an idea of what this podcast is about. If you
Speaker 1: haven't listened to any other episodes, which you should do,
Speaker 1: but if you haven't, we talk about the portrayal of
Speaker 1: female characters in movies and going off the Bechtel. That's
Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel. She has a test, and we, uh, look
Speaker 1: up the test. Look it up, guys, just look up.
Speaker 1: There's a whole internet out there with information. I like
Speaker 1: that when we say look up the test long enough
Speaker 1: to have actually explained the test, I know I'll get there.
Speaker 1: Get there, we will, and let's without let's not stall
Speaker 1: any longer. How about we introduce our guests this week.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, she is a median and a very
Speaker 1: funny person. Riley Silverman, thanks for having me, Thanks for
Speaker 1: being here. I'm a comedian and a very funny person. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: because sometimes those two things are not true. That is
Speaker 1: very true. I know a lot of comedians who are
Speaker 1: not funny, and I know a lot of funny people
Speaker 1: who are not comedians. So both you are both. Congratulations.
Speaker 1: That a rarity, a true because sometimes you're just exactly
Speaker 1: like sometimes you're just a comedian and associopath, But you're
Speaker 1: not funny. That happens a lot in today's movie. Actually
Speaker 1: it's true that was I was foreshadowing. Yes, good job,
Speaker 1: I wasn't sub tweeting. And speaking of that movie, we
Speaker 1: are talking about Tim Burton's Batman from nineteen nine, uh Riley,
Speaker 1: when like, what was the first time you saw this
Speaker 1: movie or what's like your relationship to this movie. I
Speaker 1: have a weird, complicated history of this movie because I
Speaker 1: did see it when it came out because I was
Speaker 1: I was people thought I was a boy, and uh,
Speaker 1: I was a I was a nerd and so like
Speaker 1: a superhero movie coming out was like right up my alley,
Speaker 1: like it was. It was huge, and I was obsessed
Speaker 1: with Batman at that point in time, and I you know,
Speaker 1: because that's what was there. And at that point, my
Speaker 1: only real major experience of Batman had been the nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties six TV series, which is like, so can't be
Speaker 1: in at the top. Yeah, And so then I had
Speaker 1: a few comics and stuff like that, but like not
Speaker 1: a lot. And I remember this movie came out and
Speaker 1: then also I was struggling at my gender identity and
Speaker 1: there was a cracked magazine parody of Batman. That was like,
Speaker 1: because I did the movie comic parody every time movie
Speaker 1: would come out, because that name was everywhere. And there
Speaker 1: is a scene in this movie where um, Vicky Vale
Speaker 1: gets let into the bat Cave and like, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that more later, I'm sure, but like, um, in
Speaker 1: the comic, they kind of slimmed that down a little
Speaker 1: bit and they just had Bruce kind of like come
Speaker 1: out to Vicky as being Batman, which is a scene
Speaker 1: in the movie as well, but doesn't happen, but in
Speaker 1: the in the comic, he like steps out and he's
Speaker 1: in the bath suit and he's like, I something to
Speaker 1: tell you whatever, And she's like, oh, you're a transvestite,
Speaker 1: And like, I I am a transgender woman. I'm not transvestite.
Speaker 1: It's not a word that I used anymore, but it
Speaker 1: was the very first word that I ever heard to
Speaker 1: describe anyone of like a variant general identity. So it's
Speaker 1: like this weird thing. And I remember I had a
Speaker 1: babysitter and I was reading this crap comic and I
Speaker 1: remember asking my babysitter like, what is it? What does
Speaker 1: transvestite mean? And she was like, Oh, it's a term
Speaker 1: for like men who dressed up like women because they
Speaker 1: want to be women. And I said, oh, that's what
Speaker 1: I am. Like, that's like a thing that happened and
Speaker 1: like my childhood, and I remember like freaking out my
Speaker 1: so like you can't tell your parents told you. But
Speaker 1: that means like he's gonna be like like she didn't
Speaker 1: know because she's a teenager who's like just being paid
Speaker 1: like a couple bucks an hour to watch HBO at
Speaker 1: my house. Um, but yeah, that's that's like so Batman
Speaker 1: has always been this weird like tie into my coming out.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Caitlin off Mike before you
Speaker 1: got here, Jamie about how there's also an episode of
Speaker 1: the Batman animated series where Poison Ivy and Hardly Quinn
Speaker 1: having a girl's night out in the town and I
Speaker 1: remember that being like my first film slash, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like I've been obsessed with that episodes ever since. It's
Speaker 1: like my like first like in my like baby Riley,
Speaker 1: queer girl like like lesbian pairs like like like fan
Speaker 1: fick in my And it's actually now in the comics
Speaker 1: a little actually kind of made a cannon. Those two
Speaker 1: are actually are a couple and it's like my like,
Speaker 1: someone just like channeled my childhood into pages and made
Speaker 1: it a thing. I love it. Yeah, everything is connected.
Speaker 1: I used to my did you have like cartoons that
Speaker 1: you wanted to make out when you were younger? Nothing
Speaker 1: comes to mind, but I think you're lying. I know
Speaker 1: if I had, I wish I had something to say,
Speaker 1: because what kind of a nerd are you that you
Speaker 1: don't have cartoon makeout fantasies? Um, yeah, that was ironic.
Speaker 1: Actually I was. I was not actually calling you a nerd.
Speaker 1: I hope and and Nanchell. I don't want their cousin.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I didn't watch the many cartoons
Speaker 1: as a kid because well, one we didn't have cable.
Speaker 1: I didn't have cable growing up, so I did have
Speaker 1: like Nickelodeon or Disney or anything like that. I did
Speaker 1: watch Gargoyles a lot. That was pretty good, but I
Speaker 1: don't remember watching that many cartoons. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what I watched. I watched the movies
Speaker 1: that I still love now, like Indiana Jones and Back
Speaker 1: to the Future. I wasn't watching a bunch of kid cartoons.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I hate children, and I
Speaker 1: directed towards children because I just never watched because it's
Speaker 1: anything that's not children, it's Indiana Jones. Those are definitely
Speaker 1: not hate kids, hate time travel and adventures only. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, those are things that, yeah, exactly can
Speaker 1: enjoy those things. Also, I'm just saying I didn't watch
Speaker 1: things that were only for a children audience that mine
Speaker 1: were dug In Skeeter, I actually didn't watch. I wanted
Speaker 1: them to be together. That's what I wanted really bad.
Speaker 1: I can like summon what I used to think about.
Speaker 1: Just them kissing on a bench, like a very specific bench,
Speaker 1: and they were listening to the beats. Does the band
Speaker 1: from Doug is dug in his crown man outfit, like
Speaker 1: it's like a kinky thing that would be tight, that
Speaker 1: would be like an episode of You were like underwear
Speaker 1: on the outside of his hands on his forehead, put
Speaker 1: my put your hands down my underwear and he's like,
Speaker 1: which pair? It's It's great, It's now now I've got
Speaker 1: to go home and watch if anyone, if anyone listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast wants to draw me some duck In
Speaker 1: Skeeter scissoring, I can. I'm gonna look up. I think
Speaker 1: there's got to be Like they're perfect. They compliment each
Speaker 1: other in every way. That's why they're best friends. And
Speaker 1: like they've got different body ties but not like to
Speaker 1: like I'm just like that very long. He's like he
Speaker 1: does have Like I didn't realize until like years later
Speaker 1: that like the idea was supposed to be kind of that,
Speaker 1: like they were supposed to be like an interracial thing,
Speaker 1: like like a person of color, because he's drawn green,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't get that that whole year, like any
Speaker 1: It's it's weird because Doug is white. His whole family
Speaker 1: is white, and then the rest of the characters are
Speaker 1: just like various colors. Because Patty wasn't Patty many his
Speaker 1: orange ish she was maybe he wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: and I just erased us now like he was. And
Speaker 1: then Roger the bully was like neon green. Last I
Speaker 1: think I can't find anything of Skeeter and Dug together,
Speaker 1: but I'm finding a whole lot of Dug and Roger
Speaker 1: stuff so much like it's like yer one, this is
Speaker 1: very sweet. They're so in love. Uh well, this episode
Speaker 1: is now about and no longer about that. Man, I
Speaker 1: can't believe that there's no dug In Skinner. That was
Speaker 1: a frozen cursory question. Jamie does and animations and I
Speaker 1: have like a series of people I would like to
Speaker 1: see scissor scissors. You should it? So how much would
Speaker 1: I have to pay you for it? For freezies? So
Speaker 1: it's just fun for me to do. I literally I
Speaker 1: have the Batman animated Serious Poison, Ivy Harley Quinn, and
Speaker 1: I actually the fun Co Pops And when I got them,
Speaker 1: I actually like posted them might be ever kissing. It's
Speaker 1: like a picture of it, yes, five years old. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm kiggling. I'm literally giggling. I don't like, but like,
Speaker 1: I just love it so funny, like ridiculous, Like oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is like sending a letter back to
Speaker 1: my chop. Oh my favorite one I made uh is
Speaker 1: for okay? And then I promise we'll talk about Batman.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to bring it about me. I'm just not
Speaker 1: bringing it to about me in the movie. I'm actively
Speaker 1: bringing it away over and over. My favorite scissoring one
Speaker 1: that I would direct everyone too is young Henry Kissinger,
Speaker 1: an old I think I remember that one that was
Speaker 1: a custom one for Josh Andraski, and yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: what he would want. It's what he'd want. Well, look
Speaker 1: it is it like on where can people find it?
Speaker 1: I'll post it on our Twitter concrete. Jamie, What is
Speaker 1: your history with this movie? Have you seen it before?
Speaker 1: Guess no? No, I watched it today. As with every
Speaker 1: movie we've ever done, I watched it today. I liked it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. Yeah, it was. It's so
Speaker 1: much fun. It felt like July when I was watching it.
Speaker 1: I was a summer baffled. It was well, and did
Speaker 1: not like Mad Max fury Road my brain Mad Max
Speaker 1: fury Road. I I'm triggered. I don't talk about Mad
Speaker 1: Max fury Road. I'll never bring it up again. But
Speaker 1: I did not spatman. Okay, that's interesting, all right, we
Speaker 1: will talk about it. Because so I saw this movie
Speaker 1: for the first time. I think I was in college.
Speaker 1: I was probably like nineteen or twenty UM, which is
Speaker 1: about ten years ago. Because I'm not afraid to reveal
Speaker 1: my age. Yeah, I'm an aging woman in Hollywood. So
Speaker 1: what Well. Sorry, I don't know why I started yelling,
Speaker 1: but I saw a calm down. I know you can
Speaker 1: get so upset about things like, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: getting so emotional because of all of my hormones just
Speaker 1: going haywire because I'm reaching menopause or whatever. I don't
Speaker 1: know anyway, what is aging? Does it work? Time doesn't?
Speaker 1: Is a construct and life is meaningless? Any who do
Speaker 1: no life has meaning, and uh so does this podcast.
Speaker 1: So I've seen to maybe probably four times, and each
Speaker 1: time I watch it I like it less and less.
Speaker 1: Well that's it. It's it's not a good movie for women,
Speaker 1: certainly not. I think it was a fun movie. I
Speaker 1: don't like it. I remember liking it when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, just because like, oh is that man like
Speaker 1: it could have been It really could have been Batman
Speaker 1: like like fighting City Hall over like some sort of
Speaker 1: parking ticket. But if it was Batman, like that man's
Speaker 1: in a movie and stuff like, I don't think that
Speaker 1: I got any of what is actually happening movie when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, And then I probably watched a
Speaker 1: couple of times when I was like a teenager, but
Speaker 1: not in a long time, and I was like not
Speaker 1: prepared for how much of it was, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't be up this movie. I think what happened
Speaker 1: for me, it's so weird, but I'm on board. I
Speaker 1: like it. I mean I liked it at the time
Speaker 1: and it's still not bad. I mean I have it
Speaker 1: on DVD, so I liked it enough to buy it.
Speaker 1: But um, I think what happened for me is that
Speaker 1: I saw Christopher Nolan's trilogy and especially Batman Begins and
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight. I just like those movies much more
Speaker 1: then I think they're fantastic. Yeah, I love them. I
Speaker 1: like the Joel Schumaker. Oh god, you've seen those ones
Speaker 1: and not Tim Burton's. Okay, But the thing is, I
Speaker 1: love Joel Schumacher. Like when I was growing up, if
Speaker 1: anyone he's one of the worst favorite director, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm a Schumacher Man of the opportunities. But did he Yes,
Speaker 1: he did, of course he did. I want to get
Speaker 1: on board here like in Schumacher. But you keep saying
Speaker 1: movies that should not argue for Joel Schumacher has directed
Speaker 1: only bad movies that I have enjoyed. That's like if
Speaker 1: someone who's like, oh, I like I like in My Chiama,
Speaker 1: What do you love? Oh? I love the Happening, Like
Speaker 1: that's the Lost Boys. Yeah, that's that's that's a movie
Speaker 1: that if you had said that, I would not have
Speaker 1: made fun of you for it. But you also made
Speaker 1: Phone Booth. He made great flat liars. I like Flowers.
Speaker 1: He make the fanom of the Offers his best movie.
Speaker 1: He had a guitar solos to Andrew lid Webber. That's fun.
Speaker 1: Also Patrick Wilson and Anything. To be fair, I think
Speaker 1: Fantom itself is like an overrated show and so like
Speaker 1: the movie also is like it like takes like somehow
Speaker 1: to just show that that gets really boring about halfway
Speaker 1: through it and made it even more boring somehow it is.
Speaker 1: I mean it is a boring I'm very attached to
Speaker 1: it because I used to sneak out of my house
Speaker 1: and then put on like goth clothes and go see
Speaker 1: the fan with Actually, what I'm getting from this, you're
Speaker 1: like a fan of the opera and Batman is You
Speaker 1: love movies that people have been horribly disfigured in the face,
Speaker 1: like that is your thing, love funked up face, and
Speaker 1: you should have loved Fury, wrote I should have, But
Speaker 1: it was the most boring movie I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life. All Right, I was saying off Mike, but
Speaker 1: I do like Batman Robin is a bad movie that
Speaker 1: it's badly made and badly acted except for Uma Thermous
Speaker 1: Poison Ivy, and she just like knocked out the park
Speaker 1: to the point where she's like, I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people in movies that are always like, very
Speaker 1: aware the movie. Everyone everyone else isn't. And I feel
Speaker 1: like she's an example of that. The famous most famous
Speaker 1: when everyone thinks of his junior girl shown me in
Speaker 1: the Show Girls, like she just knows exactly what she's
Speaker 1: doing there. And I feel like even speaking of Batman,
Speaker 1: the newest, the Batman Versus Sperman movie, a lot of
Speaker 1: people didn't like Jessie Eisenberg, but I loved him because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's only one came to set every day.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're literally making a movie called Batman
Speaker 1: or Superman. I'm not going to torn it down at all. Ever,
Speaker 1: the entire movie, I didn't see it, neither did I.
Speaker 1: He as Lex Luther and that, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: I've got a picture pulled up here of an almost
Speaker 1: shirtless Joel Shoemaker gro that's just wikipedia picture. It's all
Speaker 1: he would have wanted it I'm still alive. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just keep this sorry episode on track as best I
Speaker 1: can't Batman because Batman is so like it's it's such
Speaker 1: a far reaching thing. It's not just like one movie,
Speaker 1: but it is. Yeah, this movie is the movie itself
Speaker 1: deserved we talked about. So the tricky thing about an
Speaker 1: episode like this is we are basically isolating Batman to
Speaker 1: this one movie. And like I was saying before, I'm
Speaker 1: not um super familiar with any of the comic books
Speaker 1: or any everything I know about Batman. I know from
Speaker 1: the like seven Batman movies that I've seen, So sorry
Speaker 1: to all you Batman super fans, I'll probably get some
Speaker 1: things wrong about stuff, but and also grow up up.
Speaker 1: We're also like I'm not even I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: getting back into comics after a very long hiatus. But
Speaker 1: it feels like DC resets their continuity on a pretty
Speaker 1: regular basis. So I feel like if someone's like I
Speaker 1: thought how things worked, It's like, Okay, well, what deck
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Because a lot of things change
Speaker 1: the work. I like that that makes it easy for um.
Speaker 1: As per usual, I will give a very terrible recap
Speaker 1: of the story at no one's request, and as usual,
Speaker 1: I will interrupt it a lot. I can't wait, okay,
Speaker 1: uh silently and say nothing. No, you can contribute. I
Speaker 1: love interrupted. I wrote a really fast This is going
Speaker 1: to go really fast. Okay. So there's a a Batman,
Speaker 1: but we don't sure he's real. They're like, there's a Batman.
Speaker 1: There's Batman, but we don't know if he's really are not,
Speaker 1: and the bad guys are just kind of scared of
Speaker 1: him but kind of not. And then he's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's me. I am Batman. Tell all your friends. And
Speaker 1: meanwhile they're in the city of Gotham, in Gotham City,
Speaker 1: Gotham City, got it and there and the all the
Speaker 1: politics are trying to crack down on crime because they're
Speaker 1: a bunch of white guys. One of them is not
Speaker 1: a white guy, Harvey turns White fort Man Forever, but
Speaker 1: he is a black man in this film. Yes, so hey,
Speaker 1: good for them, District attorney. He uh. They're trying to
Speaker 1: crack down on crime and specifically go after this mob
Speaker 1: boss named Grisome and he has this right hand man
Speaker 1: named Jack Napier. But he's trying to get rid of
Speaker 1: Jack because they're like f and the same woman. So
Speaker 1: they go to this chemical plant and Jack falls into
Speaker 1: this vat of acid. It's like a corrupt cop who's
Speaker 1: working for Grisome who tries to kill Jack, and then
Speaker 1: Batman drops Jack. Yeah, and then he becomes the Joker
Speaker 1: because his skin gets all bleached and his hair turns
Speaker 1: green and he has a different personality. He has nerve
Speaker 1: damage on his face that puts him in a perpetual
Speaker 1: crazy grin. Yeah, so now he's the Joker. And then
Speaker 1: there's also this lady named Vicky Vay and she's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm a photographer. I'm trying to snap some photos of Batman.
Speaker 1: So hey, journalist friend named knocks, let's try to win
Speaker 1: a political away. Oh the kind of hell out of me? Um?
Speaker 1: And then she starts dating Bruce Wayne and then other
Speaker 1: stuff happens. That's pretty much like the first act. Then
Speaker 1: the Jokers like I'm bad and Batman's like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you. And then yeah, that's one thing like jokers.
Speaker 1: I know you're like a photographer and your famous, but
Speaker 1: you're like like hot, not want to have you. I
Speaker 1: love that scene where he first sees a picture of
Speaker 1: her and he calls her a beast. He's like, this
Speaker 1: kind of beast can't just be walking around. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh jeez, wait, who calls the Joker like a little
Speaker 1: beast but doesn't even proceed it with a sexy adjective.
Speaker 1: He just straight up consert beast. Towards the end he
Speaker 1: calls her a beast again. Whenever he's like, oh uh,
Speaker 1: this is fitting Beauty and the Beast, but if anyone
Speaker 1: else calls you be still rip out their lungs. It
Speaker 1: was hilarious because he was trying to call himself beauty. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: listen to our Beauty and the Beast episode. That was
Speaker 1: a fun one. Yeah, we've done what like ten episodes
Speaker 1: not I've seen one movie. Oh. The Joker's plot that
Speaker 1: he's doing is he has hidden these chemicals in cosmetics
Speaker 1: around the city that when they're combined to make a
Speaker 1: person laugh themselves to death and also get the same
Speaker 1: nerve damage that he got him faced body being cut.
Speaker 1: But somehow they're all it's the chemical smile x. But
Speaker 1: he also livings like an art project, seas an art banksy.
Speaker 1: I like the scene where he throws paint on the
Speaker 1: other art and dances Prince remember the kid loving that
Speaker 1: scene like I remember, not like I remember, Like I
Speaker 1: think he was so much fun. And I love the
Speaker 1: idea of like going to an art gallery and ruining
Speaker 1: people's words. I loved it today. It's like what if
Speaker 1: you and your friends just like when with your own
Speaker 1: song and just ruined priceless Heart. He loves causing havoc
Speaker 1: to music, like that's his whole thing in this movie.
Speaker 1: Like does this scene earlier on when he kills Griss
Speaker 1: some Jack Palance's character, he like like suddenly does like
Speaker 1: circus music playing. He's like firing his gun, but like
Speaker 1: he's both shooting directly at him but also at every
Speaker 1: other inch of the room, just like it's like dancing,
Speaker 1: does not throw the gun over his shoulder. So that's
Speaker 1: the story. That was pretty quick I managed to get
Speaker 1: it out. I thought I thought Jack Palance was Martin
Speaker 1: Gen the resemblance. Yeah, yeah, because I was almost like,
Speaker 1: because I'm like weirdly horny for Martin Gen. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but then it was Jack Palance, Like God damn it.
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted the president, not the guy from
Speaker 1: City Sluckers exactly. I wanted president part like I don't
Speaker 1: want a guy's going to remissus amy his name at
Speaker 1: the Academy war. No, I don't want Charlie Sheen's Daddio.
Speaker 1: I think of him as Amelio Esteves's dad. I want
Speaker 1: to be their step mom. Cute. That would be such
Speaker 1: a good mommy to hey, Charlie Amelia. There's another. I
Speaker 1: think there's at least one other brother who's very Oh. No,
Speaker 1: I think Martin Sheen has a okay the family tree.
Speaker 1: I always mixed up Martin Sheen wh I was younger.
Speaker 1: I don't do it so much more about Martin Sheen
Speaker 1: and Uh, I don't think the guy who's married to
Speaker 1: UM Captain Sata Jones um Michael Douglas some reason. As
Speaker 1: a kid, I always thinks I think they had the
Speaker 1: same haircut, and like I see their old white guys
Speaker 1: who yeah, they're all Douglas, but they played Yeah, they
Speaker 1: played the same kind of basic role, but they were
Speaker 1: different ages. Michael Keaton and Michael Douglas are not the
Speaker 1: same man, true, although I think Michael this whole real
Speaker 1: name is Michael Douglas. But he couldn't take that, like
Speaker 1: because it's made him change it. What else is Michael Keaton.
Speaker 1: I'm not having Michael Keaton's last name is Douglas. I
Speaker 1: think so in real life some reason, I in my mind,
Speaker 1: I always just thought he was like Buster Keaton's grandson
Speaker 1: or something. In my head, I always assumed that and
Speaker 1: never looked it up. I could be very wrong. I
Speaker 1: know the facts, Hey, fake news. I have literally no
Speaker 1: facts to back up what I just said. I just
Speaker 1: always assumed that. In my head. I always assumed that
Speaker 1: clay A Duval was Rapert Duval's daughter, and that is
Speaker 1: not and to the fact that to the point where
Speaker 1: I was like telling people, oh, yeah, she's his daughter,
Speaker 1: and that's not true at all. That's fake fake news. Baby.
Speaker 1: Oh so his other big thing before that was Mr
Speaker 1: Mom and Beetlejuice. Okay, he was a huge and he's
Speaker 1: he's making quite a bit of a comeback and deservedly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard the founders great, but yeah, he was like
Speaker 1: And the thing about him being cast in Batman was
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a very much like when
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck was cast. I was like, what, why would
Speaker 1: you because because he's a comedian and he was like
Speaker 1: known for his ridiculous comedy roles, and then they're casting
Speaker 1: him as Bruce Wayne and Batman was like the weird.
Speaker 1: It was like a very bizarre choice for the time period.
Speaker 1: But also Tim Burton just seems to only better work
Speaker 1: with one actor repeatedly. And that's what happened. Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I like that. I like Michael Keaton. No, no, I
Speaker 1: like Johnny Depp. Okay, I'll keep casting him, Like right,
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for like an aggressively good
Speaker 1: looking man who insists on playing characters. Anyways, Like that's
Speaker 1: and it's like, what what strength of spirit you have?
Speaker 1: You keep Michael Keaton is aggressively attractive. Oh no, But
Speaker 1: like I feel like I think in his prime he
Speaker 1: was I think we I mean, not only is he
Speaker 1: underfractive for his personal life issues as well, but he
Speaker 1: just became kind of a weird. He didn't getting back
Speaker 1: to Joel Shoe, I feel that way about Patrick Wilson
Speaker 1: and fandom of the opera. Patrick Wilson's a very handsome man,
Speaker 1: but you know, in some movies he's getting his dick
Speaker 1: chopped off by a very young page boy haircut Ellen
Speaker 1: Page and then the next year he's love that movie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anyways, I just wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson go back, well it connects and that he's
Speaker 1: also a superhero in the Watchman. True, he's a wow,
Speaker 1: he's like about that Back to Man, We've got Michael
Speaker 1: Keaton's attractive. He's he's not not unattractive, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: He's not convention I think he was considered attractive at
Speaker 1: the time. I think he was like like Billy crystal
Speaker 1: fuzz hair that I cannot get. Everyone in this movie
Speaker 1: has the same haircut and it's confused. I must have
Speaker 1: been very humid on the set. Every little frizzy what
Speaker 1: is us? I mean, it's a gag about it later
Speaker 1: because when the smile like toxin isn't anything, the idea
Speaker 1: is like no one can use makeup or hair products
Speaker 1: because they're afraid they're going to be murdered by it.
Speaker 1: And so because are like they're like like airlifting still
Speaker 1: airlifting in cosmetics from outside the city. And yeah that
Speaker 1: he touches all have like horrible boils in their faces,
Speaker 1: like yeah, at least like the part with the newscasters
Speaker 1: are are like on on camera looking like how at
Speaker 1: least they did make the men and women it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the guys look fine that went because like there
Speaker 1: was I know I'm probably speaking out the fron at
Speaker 1: this point, but I noticed, like I feel like women
Speaker 1: are the only ones who actually die or smile likes
Speaker 1: in the film, Like unless I'm missing somebody, but I
Speaker 1: like every victim of smile because like a supermodel or
Speaker 1: a female newscaster, the two models and then the ya
Speaker 1: that newscaster woman who dies, and those are the only people,
Speaker 1: those are the only like on screen as we see
Speaker 1: there like very obviously they died. Um, speaking of those
Speaker 1: characters and other characters, like the main ones the women
Speaker 1: that we have in this film. The main female character
Speaker 1: is Vicky Vale played by Kim Bay Singer and Alicia
Speaker 1: Hunt played by a crap I free to name Ry
Speaker 1: Hall Jerry Hall and she but she was more of
Speaker 1: a secondary character. Um, she doesn't get a ton of
Speaker 1: screen time versus uh the main male characters which are
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne Ak Batman, Jack Napier a k the Joker,
Speaker 1: and then the more secondary characters are Lieutenant Eckhart Grissom,
Speaker 1: the mob Boss, Commissioner Gordon Harvey Dent the reporter, Knox
Speaker 1: Alfred the servant, man and the Jokers assistant guy like
Speaker 1: I think, and all the guys who mob worked for
Speaker 1: Grisham like a hand buzzer. This is an example of
Speaker 1: a movie where almost everyone on screen is a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like all of the cops are men, all of
Speaker 1: the bad guys are men, all of the journalists are
Speaker 1: men at least, so like it seems as though anyone
Speaker 1: at least with a job in Gotham City is a man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only women you have, you do have the newscasters.
Speaker 1: There's two of them because one gets one gets one
Speaker 1: gets dead and the other one. And it's also a
Speaker 1: lot of like old ladies in background shots. I noticed that,
Speaker 1: Like I know, it's like there's like a scene like
Speaker 1: in the department stores. I mean, it's like a lot
Speaker 1: of like older like spinster ladies that are all doing
Speaker 1: their shopping or a lot of they are decent and
Speaker 1: having a lot of women the crowd scenes. At least
Speaker 1: I think they were, but I can't be totally wrong.
Speaker 1: But and then Vicky Vale has a job she does
Speaker 1: she's doing. I think he's an established photographer. Um. In
Speaker 1: any case, all of the of the main characters who
Speaker 1: have like significant roles in the story. Almost all of
Speaker 1: them are men, and the few women that we do have,
Speaker 1: well one look exactly alike they are when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, Land Ladies when I was a kid. The
Speaker 1: first time I saw it, I definitely got Vicky Vail
Speaker 1: and Alicia mixed up at first, like until I think,
Speaker 1: until learned the same scene together, I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think that was the same. Yeah, that was too confusing.
Speaker 1: I was like, one can't just have sort of curly
Speaker 1: hair and they're like the same, very very hot lady,
Speaker 1: and like, good for them, sure, like they are adapting
Speaker 1: us from source material that might have also featured mostly
Speaker 1: white dudes. But the nice thing about adaptations is that
Speaker 1: you can change things. If you want to update things
Speaker 1: and make them more like include more types of people,
Speaker 1: you can do that. And also you really can't even
Speaker 1: give that one like even that, like oh the adaptation
Speaker 1: argument because Tim Burton Lee very famously did not really
Speaker 1: care about the comics and like didn't really read the comics,
Speaker 1: so he kind of made his own version of Batman
Speaker 1: and so still made everyone a white dude. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: he's and he's like he just this even as as
Speaker 1: of this year, when he made that, um, the school
Speaker 1: for Unusual children, like he had that that comment that was, like,
Speaker 1: the story doesn't really call for it, Why would I
Speaker 1: have it in there? And it's like that because you
Speaker 1: can just have people existing in the world. No, okay,
Speaker 1: where was I going? Oh okay, here we go. The
Speaker 1: first time that we see Vicky Vale, the first time
Speaker 1: she was introduced, all we see are her legs, because
Speaker 1: did you know that women are just a collection of
Speaker 1: their body parts? Have you ever seen the Headless Women
Speaker 1: of Hollywood blog? No, it's wonderful. It's by a fabulous
Speaker 1: New York comic named Marcia Bellski and she yeah, she
Speaker 1: aggregates all like the movie post stars that are just
Speaker 1: women's Yes, I've seen that dropped camera no face and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: check it out a gang. She's great and it's there's
Speaker 1: literally no like limit on the source material. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a spectrum everything cool. So, yeah, we are introduced to
Speaker 1: her by her legs that are just propped up on
Speaker 1: the table. Knox goes, hello, legs, uh, and then he says, Oh,
Speaker 1: if you wanna take news of me, you'll need a
Speaker 1: long lens, which uh is sexual harassment in the workplace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, Box has almost no role in this
Speaker 1: movie except for to be a guy who objectifies Vicki
Speaker 1: and like is mad that she's dating Bruce Wayne. Like
Speaker 1: his only job in the movie is to like criticize
Speaker 1: her choice of a boyfriend that's not him, Like that's
Speaker 1: because he's supposed to be, Like there's there's the implication
Speaker 1: that he's the reporter and she's the photographer. So she
Speaker 1: has to go to him to look things up because
Speaker 1: I can't look at computer. That's not how talks. But
Speaker 1: that's very hard to Quinn actually, But it's weird because
Speaker 1: like I know that in the comics are like at
Speaker 1: least later maybe after this movie, but they seem to
Speaker 1: have turned Vicky Vail into more like an investigative journalist
Speaker 1: as opposed to be just a photographer. Not that justice bad,
Speaker 1: but like she but yeah, and so it's like it
Speaker 1: does feel like they could have just gotten rid of
Speaker 1: his character entirely, because it's already like a love triangle
Speaker 1: quote unquote. It's a horrible way to phrase it, because
Speaker 1: the Joker loves her quote love. He desires her as
Speaker 1: an object um and Bruce likes her. And so it's
Speaker 1: like this like weird, like, oh, these two men are
Speaker 1: after the same woman, even though one of them is
Speaker 1: made it clear she has no interest in one of
Speaker 1: them completely. So having Robert will be like the fourth
Speaker 1: angle of this thing doesn't need to happen at all
Speaker 1: completely in this booby, Yeah, which is Alfred might Oh
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'll make them it's like her grandpa. He
Speaker 1: also just wanted to like throw in their long focus lens.
Speaker 1: That's not an accurate photography joke. Oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: enough about along. I looked it up. But can you
Speaker 1: also maybe argue that he's an idiot and just thinks
Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about, and it's actually making
Speaker 1: stuff up to say I've got a big whole day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I looked it up and brought to make a photo
Speaker 1: of it. Broadcast News came out in eighty seven, and
Speaker 1: I actually feel like this was just ripping off the
Speaker 1: Albert Brooks storyline from Broadcast, because we're going to have
Speaker 1: a kind of shitty Albert Brooks in this movie. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: like everybody, I think like making her character more of
Speaker 1: like an investigative journalist would have been a better idea,
Speaker 1: because one, it makes her more active, because right now. Basically,
Speaker 1: her role in the story is to be the love interest,
Speaker 1: because did you know women can only be love interests
Speaker 1: in stories according to movies like this. But a couple
Speaker 1: of times she goes took good, took good, and then
Speaker 1: they try to shoot her. I actually kind I like
Speaker 1: laughed out loud at that part. I was like, the
Speaker 1: one time she's actually doing her job, they try to
Speaker 1: kill and they suppose why they try to kill her
Speaker 1: because they're actually trying to take Batman's mask off and
Speaker 1: she's trying to take a picture of his face and
Speaker 1: then they go kill her. But it's like, why away
Speaker 1: you would want her to? Okay, yeah, yeah, she was
Speaker 1: trying to add something to the plot for once. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Once in a while they try to imply that she
Speaker 1: does have like an investigative slant to her, but it's
Speaker 1: like always couched in. She's trying to figure out this
Speaker 1: guy that she's dating, as opposed to just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: Bruce Waine, actually it's kind of a weird, dude, I
Speaker 1: should investigate him. It's always like, why didn't he call
Speaker 1: me or why did he tell me he was going
Speaker 1: out of town when he was Actually she stops him
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Yeah, it's argue it's her job.
Speaker 1: But also it's like you've got Yeah, it's weird too
Speaker 1: in this movie because apparently nobody in Gotham remembers Bruce
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered because they like find articles
Speaker 1: about it and they go, oh, what a weird story
Speaker 1: of happening his kid, Like really, no one remembers that
Speaker 1: this super rich family was just gunned down in the streets.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, no one knows what he looks like,
Speaker 1: Like she is like, are you Bruce Wayne or you?
Speaker 1: And I like, he does look like almost every other
Speaker 1: guy in this movie, but like I was like, he's
Speaker 1: like a I thought he was a prominent would yeah,
Speaker 1: his picture would be in the paper or something. They
Speaker 1: had a party at his house and it looks like
Speaker 1: and they're not like people who have out of town,
Speaker 1: Like that'd be one thing, but they're literally both working
Speaker 1: as for this newspaper in the city. Like really, you
Speaker 1: don't know who a head sociolite of your city is,
Speaker 1: like would be one thing. Like in um got Man
Speaker 1: begins the idea of like Bruce Wayne has been going
Speaker 1: for a long time and is back in town, so
Speaker 1: that can even make sense to don't we know what?
Speaker 1: He looks like he's been going for so long and
Speaker 1: he's a kid, but this is not the case, and
Speaker 1: he's like charming. He's not like a recluse, Like he's
Speaker 1: somebody who has like galas at his house and has
Speaker 1: an art collection. And Yeah, my favorite part of Vicky
Speaker 1: Vale doing her job in this movie but also still
Speaker 1: like being the love interest at the same time is
Speaker 1: when after she gets those pictures or like maybe gets
Speaker 1: those pictures and they shoot at her, she calls her
Speaker 1: editor and she's like of a scoop and he's like
Speaker 1: is it hot? And she's like laying on her bed
Speaker 1: and he's like it's real hot. That's a weird scene too,
Speaker 1: because like that's that That scene happens after Batman has
Speaker 1: saved her from the Joker attacking her the art gallery
Speaker 1: and she has some pictures of him and then like
Speaker 1: he's like, there's one more thing I need from you
Speaker 1: and he like throws his arm up. Mere. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he just hit her and he guessed her, like what happens?
Speaker 1: And then she wakes up on her bed the next day,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, is there like a deleted scene that
Speaker 1: we didn't see where they totally did it, and then
Speaker 1: he like dropped her off or did he just like
Speaker 1: knock her out and steal her camera. She talks as
Speaker 1: if she's just come five times, it's real hot. Well,
Speaker 1: she takes that film and puts it like and stuffs
Speaker 1: it in her bron to assume and yeah, So either way,
Speaker 1: he like reached down her shirt and stole and she
Speaker 1: was probably, I'm guessing, unconscious because she didn't know that
Speaker 1: it was gone until she woke up and then checked
Speaker 1: her boobs and she's like, oh, the things that I
Speaker 1: store in here are missing. Yeah, and she's like the
Speaker 1: only momentarily annoyed by it, Like a man who was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the superhero knocked her out, felt her up,
Speaker 1: and stole her film and had a good reason. And
Speaker 1: then she's like still on board, like, oh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: gotta call the police because he has a plant. Like
Speaker 1: what what? I don't know? Yeah. I do want to
Speaker 1: point out that if Bruce Wayne Slash Batman did really
Speaker 1: want to do some good for Gotham study City, he
Speaker 1: could probably just like spread his wealth around a little
Speaker 1: bit more and eliminate a lot of the crime. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a comedian in Santancisi named Askatowski who basically
Speaker 1: has this whole thing about how like all Bruce Wayne
Speaker 1: asked to do was open two factories and he could
Speaker 1: solve all the crime problems in he's like a billionaire, right,
Speaker 1: like yes, spread the wealth, dude. Yeah, and he literally
Speaker 1: just has to give like take all the guys who
Speaker 1: are working as thugs for all these supervillains armies and
Speaker 1: just give them like nine to five gigs with the
Speaker 1: health insurance may probably, but he's like mentally ill and
Speaker 1: he's so he makes up a very complicated I read
Speaker 1: this very intense Batman theory where it's like the bat
Speaker 1: Cave is like Batman is actually an Arkham asylum and
Speaker 1: it's like a fight club thing where he's Batman and
Speaker 1: the Joker, and it was I hate those things. It
Speaker 1: was on this podcast with these like really druly sounding
Speaker 1: men and they were just like a men this and
Speaker 1: he was insane the whole time. But also it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a guy just running around and
Speaker 1: it cost him any superhero movie, it's like, get over yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just hate any fan theory. It's like this isn't
Speaker 1: really happening at all, or like these are all connected
Speaker 1: in the same everything. It's like that just like I
Speaker 1: get it, you're clever. Yeah, it's like just get a job.
Speaker 1: Grow up up ad this episode, grow up stop, grow up.
Speaker 1: Like I know, there was one version of the Joker
Speaker 1: at one point in the comics where like when he
Speaker 1: thought Batman was dead, he just like gave up crime
Speaker 1: and sort of living a normal life because he no
Speaker 1: longer had Batman to like foil against like that. So
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Batman is the problem play. The argument
Speaker 1: in Batman begins in Dark Night is that like because
Speaker 1: Batman exists, like he helps escalate the crime problem, and
Speaker 1: then like because he's there, like the criminals escalate as well.
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, because like Gordon has the whole thing,
Speaker 1: Like you got bulletproof vest and then they get arm
Speaker 1: a piercing guns, and then you got a guy in
Speaker 1: a suit, and then you got this guy in a
Speaker 1: clown costume. Like yeah, they're always trying to top each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But so in Batman, um, yeah, it's just like there's
Speaker 1: always things. I'm like, why is she just okay with this?
Speaker 1: Like and that's she's getting the better treatment, like as
Speaker 1: far as women in this film go, and that's not
Speaker 1: saying a lot. I couldn't believe because I don't like,
Speaker 1: this wasn't the original movie that I had talked to
Speaker 1: you about because I was gonna and You're like, well,
Speaker 1: we should do this because of the timing and everything. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we are doing this movie right now
Speaker 1: because the Lego Batman movies coming out. That's why I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, let's do Batman. And I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I remember like thinking that it was just gonna be
Speaker 1: devoid of women. That was going to be the problem
Speaker 1: with it. And then when I started watching it, I
Speaker 1: hadn't watched it so long. I was like shocked at
Speaker 1: how much worse it is than that. Like, so we
Speaker 1: talked about Alicia, the woman that he basically like wins
Speaker 1: by stealing her from um Christiam is that his name? Christo? Like,
Speaker 1: he basically like like they're having an affair, and then
Speaker 1: Chris that's why Grissom like kills him. But then he
Speaker 1: even acts like when he's killing Grissolm, he like acts like,
Speaker 1: how dare you make a woman matter enough to kill me?
Speaker 1: But he literally's like he says, like, you're trying to
Speaker 1: kill me over a woman, a woman like she's just
Speaker 1: so objectified. And then because he like kills Gristom, he
Speaker 1: basically gets to like claim her as his rolls with
Speaker 1: yeah game, yeah, did you know that you have to
Speaker 1: keep dating uh, the side piece that you had been
Speaker 1: sucking before whenever he murders your mob boss boyfriend? Did
Speaker 1: you know that's how you have to act with your woman?
Speaker 1: I would love someone to kill someone else over me
Speaker 1: in an extremely thing for thank you. In her defense
Speaker 1: as a character, I think that's actually one of the
Speaker 1: more realistic things that happens in this movie, only because
Speaker 1: but not in a good way, but like in a
Speaker 1: psychologically tormented person way, like she's terrified of what Jack
Speaker 1: is going to do to her, and it's like broken
Speaker 1: because that's why she like she's afraid to leave him,
Speaker 1: like and I think it's like he's not just like
Speaker 1: your standard like garden variety abuser. He's like literally a
Speaker 1: monster who's come back from the dead. So does she
Speaker 1: call him daddy at something? He calls himself daddy. He's
Speaker 1: like daddy so much? Okay, because I got confused because
Speaker 1: she was covered with the masks. I wasn't even sure
Speaker 1: who she Yah was. The mask comes off very briefly,
Speaker 1: and it's horrifying because you also very yeah she is
Speaker 1: she she starts thinking music of the Night and then um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's like when I was a kid, I don't
Speaker 1: think I really realized what happened to her face. Like
Speaker 1: I remember she's wearing the man ask and thinking like
Speaker 1: she had makeup on or like whatever. And then when
Speaker 1: I was leading up to it, I go, oh, I
Speaker 1: think he's been hitting her something. And then it's so
Speaker 1: much like she has this horrible scar that like he's
Speaker 1: clearly like like throwing acid on her face or something
Speaker 1: and like burned her. Like he's always trying to like
Speaker 1: build up to making two face or something, and he
Speaker 1: just like through and it's so jarring. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the movie that I watched when
Speaker 1: I was like eight. And then the way he casually
Speaker 1: it says, she jumped out of window. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like carrying a broken mask around like an omelet without
Speaker 1: breaking a few eggs. Yeah, And and he like only
Speaker 1: talks about her in like like he talks about it,
Speaker 1: calls her like his masterpiece, like a piece of art
Speaker 1: that he makes. Like he he's so objectified her that
Speaker 1: like when she's dead, he's just like mad, but his
Speaker 1: art is gone like as opposed to But and then
Speaker 1: like the movie doesn't even show her kill herself, like
Speaker 1: don't even give her the agency of having her own
Speaker 1: death on screen. It's literally just like a guy carrying
Speaker 1: her mask around talking about her to the woman he's
Speaker 1: trying to bang now like just a sentence of like
Speaker 1: expos I should have, Like he literally says, he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going through a tough time right now. She threw
Speaker 1: herself out a windows like all cough day for you, baby, baby?
Speaker 1: What didn't you tell me that in earlier here's a
Speaker 1: fun thing. The first time or no, I think it's
Speaker 1: maybe the second time we see her character on screen,
Speaker 1: Alicia Hunt, she's carrying like six shopping bags because you know, hey,
Speaker 1: did you know women be shopping? She's just and then
Speaker 1: the next time we see her she has other shopping bags.
Speaker 1: She's just always out shopping. And she passes out because
Speaker 1: she thinks that Jack is dead and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm home whatever, and she's like passes out like
Speaker 1: a really good cartoonish thing. Yeah, that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Did you know that women faint all the time because
Speaker 1: we're delicate little flowers? And I smiling, salt dude. I
Speaker 1: that all that said, I do really enjoy Jack Nicholson
Speaker 1: in this movie. He's like, even though his part is
Speaker 1: as problematic as you can get, he does a great job.
Speaker 1: He does a good job. And the other thing I
Speaker 1: really like about this movie is the score it has.
Speaker 1: Is it an elphan prince? A lot of prints in
Speaker 1: this movie. There is a lot of prints I've played
Speaker 1: and guys, real quick, real gu brag. I feel like
Speaker 1: I mentioned I played the elbo in high school in
Speaker 1: almost every episode, but we played the theme from The
Speaker 1: Batman and our spring concert. It's a great name and
Speaker 1: I had a sucked it up. I was going, so,
Speaker 1: so if anyone's looking for a nova player in the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles area, just should men don't play? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: got my elbow in my car, right, can you get Yeah?
Speaker 1: I used to play the clarinet. We could be in
Speaker 1: a band together. We should start a band. I played
Speaker 1: trump it, but I didn't I never actually learned how
Speaker 1: to play it, and I would just like sit I
Speaker 1: would try to. I took lessons, but I never figured
Speaker 1: it out really, and I would like go to like
Speaker 1: we'd have like recitals or like band concerts, and I
Speaker 1: would just sit and like pretend to be playing them
Speaker 1: because you couldn't tell because I was in the crowd anyway.
Speaker 1: And then like my mom like one day like kind
Speaker 1: of figure out that wasn't enjoying it, and she was like,
Speaker 1: but you sounded a good thing. I'm like, I wasn't
Speaker 1: actually playing. I was just sitting there pretending to push
Speaker 1: on the buttons and anyone pay into like if you
Speaker 1: spent money on the trumpet and the tricky. I wanted
Speaker 1: to play drums, and they just like kind of assigned
Speaker 1: you your section, and like I didn't want to just
Speaker 1: play any random instrument and the drummer. They gave us
Speaker 1: instruments literally like the sorting hat. Like they would just
Speaker 1: be like, you know, if you were cute and a
Speaker 1: little girl, they'd like, you play the flute, or if
Speaker 1: you're really cute, you played the pickle up what it
Speaker 1: was weird and then they were like, well girl, and
Speaker 1: which true but also hurtful at the time. So this
Speaker 1: movie is interesting. We're talking about the Joker like the
Speaker 1: Nicholas's performance, because I I had always kind of my
Speaker 1: head combined this this Joker with like the season Romero
Speaker 1: Old bat Man Joker as being a little bit less
Speaker 1: vile and a little bit more just like funny and
Speaker 1: weird and goofy. But boy, he is a statistic sociopathic monster.
Speaker 1: Like he is so much darker than I remember him being.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I actually even think he might
Speaker 1: be a little bit more dark than Heath Ledger's Joker
Speaker 1: because he ledger Joker is a sociopath and he definitely
Speaker 1: has he's like I guess maybe he's pretty messed up
Speaker 1: because does put that bomb in that guy's stomach and
Speaker 1: he also makes that like that boat try to kill
Speaker 1: half the people ever, But his thing is so much
Speaker 1: more psychological mind games and like this like agent of chaos,
Speaker 1: whereas this Joker feels like he likes to personally inflict
Speaker 1: harm on specific people and that it's like so much
Speaker 1: creepy and it's like I actually like research a little
Speaker 1: bit for this podcast trying to figure out when that
Speaker 1: became the Joker, because that's I feel like that's establishes
Speaker 1: who he is now, Like I think the Jared Leto
Speaker 1: Joker was very much like that, and like they then
Speaker 1: they made him very abusive to Harley Quinn, and if
Speaker 1: you look at like even in the old Batman animated series,
Speaker 1: he's very abusive. And it's it's weird because I know,
Speaker 1: like he's won't do a lot of evolutions in the
Speaker 1: comics from being like he started off as a killer,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of became more of a ridiculous,
Speaker 1: clowney character, and then around seventies and eighties he went
Speaker 1: back to being this dark character because the book was
Speaker 1: getting dark. But it's weird because, like I as a
Speaker 1: comic fan, I guess maybe like now that I've actually
Speaker 1: dealt with in real life the ramifications of what like
Speaker 1: a sociopath does to the people around them, Like I
Speaker 1: I've I never dealt with somebody who's like cutting into
Speaker 1: somebody or like but like psychologically tormenting people. And it
Speaker 1: has so much harder to enjoy a movie now where
Speaker 1: someone's like really over the top doing it because I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh God, this brings up a lot of thoughts about yeah,
Speaker 1: not even like I mean it's a little it's not
Speaker 1: even like a full on trigger it's just more like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't I can't escape in this anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, yeah, you're like, this isn't fun to watch.
Speaker 1: This just reminds me of things that I didn't like. Yeah, exactly, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of my friends having a really
Speaker 1: hard time for a while because of things like this
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, um, all right, good. I know the
Speaker 1: other thing I was gonna say, the wonderful trope of
Speaker 1: a man having to save a woman over and over.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's so much a dams On the
Speaker 1: stress for someone who should be like she's like a
Speaker 1: war area photographer, and yes, somehow she can't keep herself right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love the scene where he's going through
Speaker 1: her portfolio. He's like this sucks. This sucks. Oh look
Speaker 1: a body like I like that. I'm d d is
Speaker 1: trying to tell you how dark he is. It's so
Speaker 1: brooding because this was like supposed to be like the
Speaker 1: greedy Batman reboot, but it's like extremely campy, but everyone
Speaker 1: is also horny. Like that seems like it's not really
Speaker 1: like that greedy. Like there's some art deco and everyone
Speaker 1: wants to funck and like that's dark and I do
Speaker 1: like the Vicky Vale has sex with Bruce Wayne on
Speaker 1: the first date. I'm just like, yeah, girl, you can do.
Speaker 1: You want it, you go get it and no one
Speaker 1: will think any less of you. Then he kind of
Speaker 1: blows around, he does treat her like a dick, and
Speaker 1: and the scene when he like goes to apologize to
Speaker 1: her and like come out as batman. Uh, this really
Speaker 1: fun thing happens where she's like calling him out for
Speaker 1: being a dick and like you lied to me, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and then he pushes her down onto the couch.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm just gonna need you to shut up
Speaker 1: right now, because did you know that when a man
Speaker 1: needs to express his feelings and be vulnerable, he has
Speaker 1: to commit an act of domestic abuse. First, He's like
Speaker 1: all right now and pushed you. I've told you to
Speaker 1: shut up, I've yelled at you. Now i can tell
Speaker 1: you that I'm beat and then do it. He like
Speaker 1: he talks all tough. That's like he has a sudden
Speaker 1: moment of like machismo and barbado, like I'm gonna push
Speaker 1: you down and tell you what's up. And then he
Speaker 1: just like flounders through like you know people that you
Speaker 1: know when a person is like doing a thing and
Speaker 1: then you put on paratites and you fight villains and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and people do stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Like it's like something like, why why make you be
Speaker 1: this dick ish, like domineering guy for a second if
Speaker 1: you're not even gonna do it? And then she kind
Speaker 1: of drops it, like she there's like that line where
Speaker 1: she's like, can't we ever love each other? It was like,
Speaker 1: grow up, Kim, Vicky, whatever, Okay, oh we haven't. I
Speaker 1: didn't know if you were like saving this for a
Speaker 1: special moment. But the scene at the end where you know,
Speaker 1: Vicky gets a look in her eyes. She's in the
Speaker 1: Joker's arm and and I'm like, this is her moment.
Speaker 1: She's going to do something great. And then what she
Speaker 1: does is almost gives him a blow chump so Batman
Speaker 1: can whack him. I was like, no, that was your chance.
Speaker 1: And then she just starts going like yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: kissing his arms, but she's in shirt and I love purple.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like sinks down to like I guess,
Speaker 1: pretend to start giving him a She's just very gingerly
Speaker 1: kissing his shirt and you could just tell you was
Speaker 1: rock hard. Uh No, I was not saving that for
Speaker 1: special moment. And I'm glad you brought the almost forgot
Speaker 1: about it. He like falls for it so hard. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she lunches it and like, I love purple,
Speaker 1: and he's like A very similar scene happens in Aladdin
Speaker 1: where Jasmine starts seducing Jafar because she knows that Aladdin
Speaker 1: is there to again go rescue her, because did you
Speaker 1: know women can't fend for themselves ever. They always have
Speaker 1: to be saved as far as kind of hot And
Speaker 1: it's a it's also like that same mentality that always
Speaker 1: makes like bad comic artists draw women with like no
Speaker 1: armor whatsoever. And it's like and they always go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there's skindily clad, because that way, in the heat of battle,
Speaker 1: men will be so turned on with their bodies they
Speaker 1: won't be able to fight them. Like. It's like that
Speaker 1: is a frequent argument. Like never you see like a
Speaker 1: female character who has like exposed chest plate or like
Speaker 1: just has like like like a push up bram made
Speaker 1: on a metal or whatever. There's always some argument that
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's designed to distract men, and like
Speaker 1: everyone's like, you know that need a battle, Like no
Speaker 1: one's the way thinking about their dicks at that moment, right,
Speaker 1: Like they're all like pretty like repped up and ready
Speaker 1: to fight. You're not gonna stop and go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I want to have sex best person, so I will
Speaker 1: stop fighting. Like I'm all for using men's horny nous
Speaker 1: against them, but the battlefield is not the place. It's
Speaker 1: probably not gonna work for considering these plots, we have
Speaker 1: this whole like, oh, in the middle of of you
Speaker 1: having your victory, I'm going to suddenly seduce you, like
Speaker 1: like really, he's like holding her hostage in a bell
Speaker 1: tower after being pursued by Batman, and he's probably like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean your job is to blow me, so let's
Speaker 1: do it. Like I love you, do love purple, so
Speaker 1: let's do this. Like like she makes a whole and
Speaker 1: then Batman says something quickly, dance with the devil in
Speaker 1: the Pale moon, Like it's just just a creepy thing
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, hey, here's the thing that you
Speaker 1: said to my parents when you killed them. I'm gonna say, well,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's getting all grandy on you, right, and very
Speaker 1: like a very long thing to say before you hit someone.
Speaker 1: He could have, you know, maybe moved. That part of
Speaker 1: this movie bugs me a lot because it's just like
Speaker 1: an example of how this is not very good storytelling.
Speaker 1: Because Joker, I think it's in Vicky Vale's apartment, he's like,
Speaker 1: do you ever dance with the Devil and the Pale
Speaker 1: moon Light? As he's like holding a gun to Bruce Wayne,
Speaker 1: He's like, what did you say? He's like, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just something I say to all of my prey. First
Speaker 1: of all, it's not because we haven't seen this happen
Speaker 1: on screen yet, so what are you talking about? And
Speaker 1: then it doesn't do that and doesn't yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: then they flashback the one time they said, so the
Speaker 1: flashback happens after that, uh, and then only then do
Speaker 1: we realize how that why that is significant. So it's
Speaker 1: just like, no, you gotta be a better screenwriter, dude, Like,
Speaker 1: this isn't good story It's also that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that that's not even from the comics, Like it
Speaker 1: is not the Joker that killed Bruce Wayne's parents in
Speaker 1: the comics. That's what I think people were real mad
Speaker 1: about when they like, did I think for this like
Speaker 1: movie isolated, it makes sense because otherwise, like what connects
Speaker 1: Batman and the Joker besides the fact that they're like
Speaker 1: both horny but not in love with Kim Banzon. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, it's just it's just gross. The
Speaker 1: Joker also had that like weird long dick gun that
Speaker 1: he pulled out of his pants at one point, Like
Speaker 1: that's not a useful weapon. Yeah, I always love that
Speaker 1: as a kid, though I don't know why I think
Speaker 1: I wanted that, like and then like I think it
Speaker 1: doesn't even have the bang flag at the end of
Speaker 1: it at some point or like yeah, uh, well, back
Speaker 1: to um, what women are wearing in comic book movies.
Speaker 1: There are three at least three different times where Vicky
Speaker 1: Vale is wearing high heels that she has to take
Speaker 1: off because she's either fleeing or just needing to move
Speaker 1: about more comfortably. And sure, women can wear whatever they want,
Speaker 1: but high heels were designed by men and the patriarchy
Speaker 1: to slow women down. Men want to chase them and
Speaker 1: assault with them. I'm guessing, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's what happened, but like, these are not sensible rex
Speaker 1: and heels so let's not act like I'm also wearing
Speaker 1: my high heeled playboy sneakers. Today's I'm also wearing my
Speaker 1: high heeled boots. But just like, hey, please attack us.
Speaker 1: I could, but there's a heel, Well kill it, we are.
Speaker 1: I just think that if she knows that there's a
Speaker 1: joker around, maybe wear some more run away for really popular.
Speaker 1: If you're an investigative photographer, you wouldn't You probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: wear that. Probably, like I totally get it when she's
Speaker 1: at the like the Wayne Mansion for the gala and
Speaker 1: she's wearing her weird prawn dress wedding dress things, yea,
Speaker 1: the poop sleeves, it's like a white dress, and any
Speaker 1: other party would be like, you're overdressed, like you look
Speaker 1: like Glinda the Good Witch. We all. We haven't even
Speaker 1: talked about my favorite scene, which is when Batman asks
Speaker 1: Vicky Vale how much she weighs, which that alone does
Speaker 1: not bother me, because people have this whole thing where
Speaker 1: it's like, never ask a woman how much you weighs,
Speaker 1: Never ask a woman how old she is, because that
Speaker 1: basically just implies that if a woman weighs too much,
Speaker 1: or if she's too old, she should be ashamed of
Speaker 1: herself and she should feel shame, which is not true
Speaker 1: at all obviously. Um, but what bothers me is that
Speaker 1: after that, after like the whole fight scene, and he
Speaker 1: comes back around and he's like, oh, you weigh a
Speaker 1: little bit more than a hundred and eight, which number one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: most adults do. That would be horrible if she yes
Speaker 1: to weigh to body shame her for no reason. Uh.
Speaker 1: And three, if she did lie about her weight, it's
Speaker 1: only because women have to adhere to such impossible uh
Speaker 1: standards for beauty. Batman, why don't you take on the
Speaker 1: patriarchy instead of the joker? Seriously? Again, if you could
Speaker 1: open two factories and you could also take that, you
Speaker 1: can open a news network that focuses on when in
Speaker 1: centric issue, why don't you start a magazine? Bruce? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that that was my favorite thing to happen
Speaker 1: in the movie. Yeah. It's like sometimes I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you even like her? Like why are you? You know?
Speaker 1: He doesn't treat her especially well, either as Batman or
Speaker 1: as Bruce Wayne. Now, Yeah, like he lies to her,
Speaker 1: he blows her off, he called like, he calls her fat,
Speaker 1: Like I was just like, why do you guys, Vicky,
Speaker 1: come on, you can do better. Seriously, she must because
Speaker 1: she's not back in the sequel. So true. True. She
Speaker 1: just finds it off someone someone nice to like and
Speaker 1: kill Bill whenever she was dating that murder Bill guy.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, you know what, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to settle down with this record store owner in Texas.
Speaker 1: Like well, because she has a baby, right, and you
Speaker 1: just have to put everything on hold whenever your children
Speaker 1: can't be an assassin when you have a baby. I
Speaker 1: like it to have somebody who I like actually killed
Speaker 1: a lot, but somebody who's like an international assassin. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I can't read. The kid is one I gets
Speaker 1: like she like flipped but still Yeah, those were all
Speaker 1: the things that I uh found interesting, Like the Joker
Speaker 1: and Batman are like bickering all the time. And it's
Speaker 1: like a part where he's like, you made me, well
Speaker 1: you killed my parents, so you made me first, so
Speaker 1: you made me and then I made It's like this,
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, no one at the script was like,
Speaker 1: maybe we should do in our pass in this scene,
Speaker 1: like let's go ahead and do this again. I could
Speaker 1: just save some time because the movie is like a
Speaker 1: little bit too long. It's a little over two hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's no need for that. No, No, although
Speaker 1: I do the joker is fun when he's not abusing women,
Speaker 1: like when he's which is that true, not a lot
Speaker 1: of sociopaths, but like when he comes in and he's
Speaker 1: like giving out money and like dancing in the street
Speaker 1: and like like stances. I love him, And I just
Speaker 1: like like when the when he's dancing the money, like
Speaker 1: the ideas that he's like taking over this this like
Speaker 1: bicentennial festival that we go cancel, and I just like
Speaker 1: there's apparently no actual police force in this city because
Speaker 1: like he's not he's just rolling down the street with
Speaker 1: giant balloons handing out money, and no cops are like
Speaker 1: shooting the balloons or doing anything to stop him. And
Speaker 1: they don't know there's gas in the balloons yet, so
Speaker 1: it's like there's actually no, it doesn't make any sense why,
Speaker 1: Like the whole city is like, yeah, this guy just
Speaker 1: murdered a bunch of people and it's been terrorizing us,
Speaker 1: and it's like gone on TV and being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm poisoning all of your beauty products. Watch out for me,
Speaker 1: but there are six cops on the scene who are
Speaker 1: willing to shoot it. Thinking yeah, like there they show
Speaker 1: up at very strange moment. Well those cops are those
Speaker 1: his weird security guards, I thought, I think I thought
Speaker 1: there are cops too. I'm like, wait, no, this I
Speaker 1: maybe it might be his cops. In this movie. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of weird like henchmen that it tacked Batman
Speaker 1: like one just feels like a bunch of flips across
Speaker 1: the bell tower and loved the flipping. He was cool. Um,
Speaker 1: but I mean yeah, whenever Jack Nicholson was dancing, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm in and then you would, you know,
Speaker 1: hit a lady and I'd be like, oh this, That's
Speaker 1: why I don't like this guy. I love a dancing
Speaker 1: man though. That's why Harley Quinn needs to be a
Speaker 1: poison ivy and said a junker because uh, I wonder, well,
Speaker 1: I wonder how lego Batman is kind of fair in
Speaker 1: terms of its treatment of it, ripped down the enter
Speaker 1: inequalities of it. As of yet, I haven't seen one
Speaker 1: that exists in the previous I literally only see Will
Speaker 1: Arnett's Batman and the Alfred that's like the only characters
Speaker 1: that seemed to be in the previews, so I got
Speaker 1: to rewatch the trailer. Is there another female character in
Speaker 1: the Lego movie besides um? Olivia Wilde's like cool? Like
Speaker 1: there's the cat unicorn thing? Right? Is that a that? Uh?
Speaker 1: What's her face? Voices? Who's in community? Alison Bree? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's also like the off screen little sister that
Speaker 1: has to also be a little play with toys, Like
Speaker 1: that's the only other I can't think of any other
Speaker 1: female character. Yeah, let's do the Lego movie next. Have
Speaker 1: you seen it? I watched it with the baby ones
Speaker 1: well because all right, none of it my friends. I
Speaker 1: tried to watch on the plane and I couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: And then I watched it again later on HBO and
Speaker 1: I liked it more. But like I think, being right
Speaker 1: out in front of it on the plane, it was
Speaker 1: like it was just too fast and like, okay, I
Speaker 1: can't hand this right now. I can't watch stuff on planes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Batman, Um, does anyone else have any final thoughts
Speaker 1: or closing words? This movie hates women, like it really does.
Speaker 1: Like every everyone it dies is a woman, except for
Speaker 1: like Bruce's a couple of guys in the beginning, like
Speaker 1: the mob guys who get killed and Bruce's dad, but
Speaker 1: like everyone the Joker, the guy who gets like burnt
Speaker 1: to a crisp and like doesn't ever think to maybe
Speaker 1: take his hand away from Joker's handshake, and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let myself burn to death. He was
Speaker 1: freaked out. Okay, we're in the Jokers, Like I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're dead. Yeah, because he killed him, Like we all
Speaker 1: get that, you're glad you're he's dead, Like why would
Speaker 1: we not think he was glad that he was dead?
Speaker 1: Can I read Tim Burton's quote about white people that's
Speaker 1: bad because it's like, oh, it's really bad, comically bad. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so this was after the Miss Peregrines. Does anyone see
Speaker 1: his movie's name or am uh? Nowadays people are talking
Speaker 1: about it more, it meaning racial equality. But things either
Speaker 1: call for things or they don't. I remember back when
Speaker 1: I was a child watching The Brady Bunch and they
Speaker 1: started to get all politically correct, like okay, let's have
Speaker 1: an Asian child and a black I used to get
Speaker 1: more offended by that than just I grew up watching
Speaker 1: black exploitation movies, and I said that's great. I didn't
Speaker 1: go like, Okay, there should be more white people in
Speaker 1: these movies. I was just like, I can't imagine him
Speaker 1: saying that, first of all, like not stuttering, because that's
Speaker 1: just like such an insane He's just so sheltered and weird,
Speaker 1: like congratulations on your easy life. Yeah, someone pointed out
Speaker 1: and I'm just talking about it when that movie came out.
Speaker 1: How Like, for as much as Tim Burton like prides
Speaker 1: himself on being this director who writes about like films,
Speaker 1: movie about outsiders and unique weird, they're all really just
Speaker 1: a version of Tim Burton. Like everything. Every sissor Hands
Speaker 1: literally is tim Burton like with like scissory hands, like weird,
Speaker 1: I'm weird. What doesn't anyone want to kiss me? He
Speaker 1: eventually found someone, but because he found well, he had
Speaker 1: one thing you cheated on and then one that left him.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about whether or not this movie passes
Speaker 1: the Petel tests. It doesn't. I don't think there's even
Speaker 1: a scene where two women with speaking roles are even
Speaker 1: in the same room together. I don't think so there
Speaker 1: know that. I think that Vicky and then the girl
Speaker 1: with the family the Opera phase are both in the
Speaker 1: same scene. At one point they both speak, but not
Speaker 1: to each other. What seems that in the art gallery
Speaker 1: when the Jokers like showing her oh, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to let me watch you
Speaker 1: improve your art. Yeah, right, but she only talks to
Speaker 1: him because I was like, maybe it'll But now it fails.
Speaker 1: It is a big fat fail. Yeah, it doesn't pass
Speaker 1: the PACTO test. I bet it doesn't at all. I
Speaker 1: bet it because which one Batman Forever Batman Up Forever,
Speaker 1: I think only has one woman, and it has two
Speaker 1: women that I can think about top of my head.
Speaker 1: One of them is um Nicole Kidman's character who's like
Speaker 1: a psychotherapist. And it's also this lady who's like the
Speaker 1: gossip alumnus for for Gotham, and she's in both bat
Speaker 1: Man Forever and Batman and Robin and she's like, we're
Speaker 1: talking to Bruce Wayne. Bruce's God's most eligible bachelor, like
Speaker 1: that kind of lady. And then um El McPherson is
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne's girlfriend in Batman and Robin. And then Uma
Speaker 1: Thurman is that actually might only because it has bat
Speaker 1: Girl and poison ivy might be seen where those two
Speaker 1: are are fighting and talking about it. I think even then,
Speaker 1: I think that line is the line where like, well,
Speaker 1: I tell a lady phrases I pulled the pluck. So
Speaker 1: I think that she's still talking to back girl about
Speaker 1: Batman and Robbins's shoe. The fan of the operat absolutely
Speaker 1: passes it. All the ballerinas are chatting all the time
Speaker 1: about every witch thing. We should talk about very we can.
Speaker 1: I'm very confused about, Uh, your movie tastes sometimes here's
Speaker 1: the thing, it's bad. Oh. The way we conclude every
Speaker 1: episode is to rate the movie in the context of
Speaker 1: its treatment of female characters, on a scale of zero
Speaker 1: to five nipples. I'll go first. I give this movie
Speaker 1: one half of a nipple because uh, and and and
Speaker 1: it's the nipple from I think George Clooney's costume. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the shue Locker nip, the Schuemocker nip. So it's that
Speaker 1: one that movie, Like the nipple and like butt shot
Speaker 1: bat suit thing. That's the very first set of shots
Speaker 1: in that movie, like like there's like literally nothing happening,
Speaker 1: and you just get a bunch of really close up
Speaker 1: shots of like everything homrotic about their suits. I kind
Speaker 1: of like that that they're sort of objectifying those men
Speaker 1: male body parts. There's even like really a shot where
Speaker 1: they just like they both had their own version of
Speaker 1: it where they just put their butt towards the camera
Speaker 1: and like you just like like the it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a fine butt shot. Nice. I have to I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I have to rewatch those, but do
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think if you went
Speaker 1: on on YouTube you can probably find just that that
Speaker 1: sequence real quick. Charles also directed Kiss from a Row
Speaker 1: music video by Seal with great video. Actually, I think
Speaker 1: that maybe one of the first movies I saw his
Speaker 1: was Falling Down, which wasn't an interesting premise but not
Speaker 1: well executed. Yeah you heard it here first falling Down, Jamie.
Speaker 1: What do you rate this movie on a scale of
Speaker 1: one to I give it Michael Keaton's left nipple, which
Speaker 1: I imagine is hairless and has never been hard. So
Speaker 1: one one nipple. Yeah, okay, how about you? Ring? I
Speaker 1: think I will give it a nipple half nipple as well,
Speaker 1: because at least it has women in it and on
Speaker 1: them one of them has a job. Like those two
Speaker 1: women that have jobs three because there's three news, there's
Speaker 1: two newscasters and there's Vicky Vale. So on supermodels they
Speaker 1: have jobs too, that's but they're not really in it,
Speaker 1: like they're only in as corpses, so I don't count
Speaker 1: them like they're literally in it as photos of dead women.
Speaker 1: And then there's also weird creepy scene with jokers like
Speaker 1: talking about his products and he has like a pictures
Speaker 1: of their dead body with the with the mask and
Speaker 1: we love that joker, which is so creepy. Um So
Speaker 1: I can't get one than a half nips and I
Speaker 1: think the nip that I'm gonna go with is um
Speaker 1: boy whose nipple don't want to give it. I'm wanna
Speaker 1: give a Billy d Williams nipple because he gets the shaft.
Speaker 1: And later because the fear beloved Joel Schumacher to size,
Speaker 1: we can't have Billy the Williams by two face, he
Speaker 1: has to replace some with with Tommy Lee Jones. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we need a white southern guy to play this. Thank
Speaker 1: you for calling him my Joel Shippmark. That did feel right, well, Riley,
Speaker 1: where can people find you online? Follow you on Twitter
Speaker 1: or stuff like that? Yeah? You can find me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I'm at Rice Silverman on Twitter and i am Riley
Speaker 1: Silverman dot com. And I have a new podcast myself
Speaker 1: that's coming out. It may not be out by time
Speaker 1: this episode airs, but it will be soon. And it's
Speaker 1: called The Puppy Episode. And it is a a podcast
Speaker 1: that is a retrospective of the Ellen Degenerous sitcom from
Speaker 1: the nineties where You Kids Gay. So it's three queer
Speaker 1: ladies talking about what it's like being queer and twenty
Speaker 1: years later and what it was like when when we
Speaker 1: were younger in that show came on, and like what
Speaker 1: it's like since then. So it's it's interesting, I think,
Speaker 1: and it should be fun to do. You're excited for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool, Jamie. You can find me on the internet
Speaker 1: at Hamburger Fun. You can find me at Joel Shoemaker's
Speaker 1: house outside waiting. I want I have to mention. I
Speaker 1: write for a podcast called International Waters. I always forget
Speaker 1: to promote because I'm on the podcast, but I write. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dave Holmes the host, and it's a it's a interact.
Speaker 1: It's a international panel show that de picts American comedians
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Speaker 1: and I write for it. I'm writing for about nine
Speaker 1: months and I love writing for it, but I always
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Speaker 1: Sorry I mean to interrupt your talk. Um, I oh,
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Speaker 1: that is it. Riley, thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: here and talking about Batman with us. And h have
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