Speaker 1: A hi family drama queens here. As you know, our
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Speaker 3: Now onto the drama.
Speaker 2: First of all, you don't know.
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Speaker 2: Drama, Queens. Hello, how was it to watch this on
Speaker 2: DVD this week?
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed by the way. There's something I got like
Speaker 3: a little spicy about it. I was like, well, am
Speaker 3: I in my petty era because we obviously are reclaiming
Speaker 3: our territory with this show, and we've clued in our
Speaker 3: listeners about how crazy current events are in our industry
Speaker 3: and how artists and creators really get boned and it's
Speaker 3: not okay. And it's felt so good to take our
Speaker 3: show back on this podcast. And then we got our
Speaker 3: DVDs and I was like, damn the man, the streamers,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take this out and watch it on a
Speaker 3: little plastic disc. And it made me feel like we
Speaker 3: were doing something a little sparkly.
Speaker 2: When you said, damn the man. Fyi Empire Records, where
Speaker 2: that movie is quoted from, was shot in Wilmington, Like
Speaker 2: we're on those same main drag that Karen's Cafe existed.
Speaker 2: And I love that notion.
Speaker 6: Of like save save, like DVDs, save CDs, Like we
Speaker 6: had these tangible things that were eradicated by technology.
Speaker 2: And it's really sad because so many shows that were
Speaker 2: only being put on streamers have now been erased and
Speaker 2: were never put out on DVDs, so there's no way
Speaker 2: to watch those. So I appreciate that our show is
Speaker 2: old enough that these still exist.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: And my son thought it was so cool in retro,
Speaker 2: like he's got a record player. He is Peyton Sawyer, right,
Speaker 2: and so he sees the DVD player and it's like,
Speaker 2: whoa can I can I have that when you're done
Speaker 2: with it, don't stage us. Loved it. I loved it
Speaker 2: because it comes with like the liner notes, and I like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just like tangible things. That's why
Speaker 2: I like books instead of like a kindle.
Speaker 3: I also loved like, you know, when we would do
Speaker 3: events and even still now, like you meet fans at
Speaker 3: things and then they you know, they do this and
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, Hillary, willis him my DVD?
Speaker 2: And it's your kidding Will, Right. So before watching the
Speaker 2: episode I had, I had a moment yesterday. I was
Speaker 2: out with my kids and there were a group of
Speaker 2: other kids that all clearly were cousins and knew each other.
Speaker 2: And George was trying to infiltrate this group of kids,
Speaker 2: and one of the dads was really cool. He was like, hey, girls,
Speaker 2: like this little girl wants to play with you and
Speaker 2: include her. And so these kids are playing together for
Speaker 2: like an hour and a half, two hours, right, and
Speaker 2: all you know, everyone's just kind of sitting around being chill,
Speaker 2: and then the older of the kids goes off and
Speaker 2: you hear the mom who I've been talking to off
Speaker 2: and on for the last hour and a half. Yeall,
Speaker 2: Peyton Sawyer get over here, and I'm like, this lady's
Speaker 2: this lady's absolutely punking me. And then I realized, like
Speaker 2: I have a hat and sunglasses and all of that on,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, is she making fun of Like I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't wrap my head around did you say this
Speaker 2: child was? So it wasn't until Jeff showed up later
Speaker 2: that they were like, oh my god, we're so impaired.
Speaker 2: But they'd been like so wonderful to my kids, having
Speaker 2: no idea that I was standing right there. And so
Speaker 2: I meet this little girl and I'm like, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: Peyton Sawyer too, and she's just like, what in the
Speaker 2: world are you and my mom talking about? And it
Speaker 2: was such a sweet interaction and like such a good girl.
Speaker 2: And I was like, listen, Peyton Sawyer's are tough girls.
Speaker 2: But I love that we work in an industry where
Speaker 2: like your character can have kids named after them, Like,
Speaker 2: no one is naming their children after the land barons
Speaker 2: that own the studios and things like that, No, but
Speaker 2: they they are naming their children after things that are
Speaker 2: created by writers and there so for anyone out there
Speaker 2: that is named a child after our show. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. That is like the most flattering thing that
Speaker 2: you can do. It's so I loved the Payton I
Speaker 2: met yesterday. She was awesome. She sounds like a cool kid,
Speaker 2: She's tough. I loved it, loved it. Good family, well.
Speaker 3: Well, good families, good people. Let's talk about families. Our
Speaker 3: episode this week really revolves around this, and as you
Speaker 3: all have heard us alluding to, we're watching the show
Speaker 3: on DVD because we are not supporting streamers at this time.
Speaker 3: It's a blast from the past in every way, and
Speaker 3: the family drama is high in this one season five
Speaker 3: episode eleven, You are Gonna Need Someone on your Side,
Speaker 3: aired March eleventh, two thousand and eight. Originally tell the
Speaker 3: fans what they've won today, Hillary oh Man, I remember
Speaker 3: filming this like it was yes.
Speaker 2: Do you Yeah? On the eve of Lucas and Lindsay's
Speaker 2: marriage h they conspire to get Nathan and Haley in
Speaker 2: the same room by planning a combined bachelor and bachelorette party.
Speaker 2: Jamie Sweet Jamie tries many attempts to get his mom
Speaker 2: and dad to make up. At the party, Brook arranges
Speaker 2: a hot blind date for Peyton that's why I remember
Speaker 2: this so well.
Speaker 7: But the joke is on her, as Owen's chosen mate
Speaker 7: is Chase Brook's former clean teen lover love that they
Speaker 7: put I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Rachel returns to Tree Hill, only to be pushed out
Speaker 2: by Victoria, which pushes Brooke to her breaking point. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. This is a family episode. I think
Speaker 2: we did that really really well. Which family do you
Speaker 2: want to start with? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I mean it's it's a bummer that we don't
Speaker 3: have joy this week because our schedules have just been
Speaker 3: so crazy all and she had something come up today.
Speaker 3: But it was such a good episode for Nathan and Haley. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I kind of want to jump into that dynamic
Speaker 3: right off the bat because I saw it differently at
Speaker 3: this age than I saw it then. And I loved
Speaker 3: skills in this episode. I loved the dynamic that he
Speaker 3: had really looking out for Jamie. I thought a lot
Speaker 3: of it was really great. But I have a little
Speaker 3: bone to pick. They do it and listen. Of course,
Speaker 3: especially when kids are young and there's tension in a family,
Speaker 3: you have to figure out a way to protect them
Speaker 3: their children. They have these little developing brains. They need
Speaker 3: care and safety, they need to know things are going
Speaker 3: to be okay. And I was a little bugged that
Speaker 3: there was this idea that somehow, in particular, Haley wasn't
Speaker 3: being a good mom because she was and just letting
Speaker 3: this thing roll off her back, this potential infidelity. This
Speaker 3: you know, the woman kissed you and was nude in
Speaker 3: front of you and got in the shower with you,
Speaker 3: and clearly something's going on to egg her on. And
Speaker 3: we've watched the something going on for a long time now.
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: At this stage in my life, I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't like that Hailey choosing herself, even if she's going
Speaker 3: to choose to do the work on her marriage, that
Speaker 3: her needing a moment of space is essentially being convoluted
Speaker 3: with her being a less than mother.
Speaker 2: It really bumped me. I feel exactly the way that
Speaker 2: you felt, because I was like, oh God, this hits
Speaker 2: different as a grown up, because I think when we
Speaker 2: were kids, we all read the script and we were like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: Nathan's really fighting for this, and like Jamie is fighting
Speaker 2: for like everyone is fighting for it except Haley, and
Speaker 2: we knew all the information. We knew that Nathan had
Speaker 2: rebuffed the girl's advances and was in kind of like
Speaker 2: a complicated situation and had tried to be a good
Speaker 2: guy and then get rid of her and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Haley doesn't have any of that information.
Speaker 2: All she knows is that this person keeps putting the
Speaker 2: safety of their family in danger over and over and
Speaker 2: over again. And as an adult, it's like yeah. And
Speaker 2: as an adult, there's this moment at the party where
Speaker 2: Jamie is just like, over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: like Mommy, can we play? Mommy? Can we play? Mommy?
Speaker 2: Can we play? Mommy? Can we play? And boy, I
Speaker 2: have been in that boat. And I make a point
Speaker 2: of playing barbies with my daughter at least once a day.
Speaker 2: But if you ask me eight thousand times, I'll lose
Speaker 2: my mind like every other person on the planet, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't like that that was vilified.
Speaker 3: I didn't either, and I really could. I could see
Speaker 3: my younger self having this almost like Pollyanna feeling about,
Speaker 3: you know, make it right and do the whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the fact that last week all Nathan said was I
Speaker 3: wasn't even into her, Like, no, you have to sit
Speaker 3: down you have to have a conversation. You got to
Speaker 3: run you got to run through it. You got to,
Speaker 3: you know, talk about why because of how your kid feels.
Speaker 3: You didn't want to make it awkward until it got awkward,
Speaker 3: and then you told her to stop, and you thought
Speaker 3: she would like, you really have to let your partner
Speaker 3: in on reality and care for them. If you don't
Speaker 3: care for each other in the same way, you're never
Speaker 3: gonna make it. And my god, as an adult sitting
Speaker 3: here understanding how complex it is to be in relationships,
Speaker 3: I was like, ooh, I don't like the way that
Speaker 3: the woman got treated in this whole dynamic because she
Speaker 3: literally is the innocent one here.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, for those of you guys who haven't
Speaker 2: seen the episode, it starts with Nathan sleeping on the
Speaker 2: couch at Lucas and Lindsay's house, and then there's like
Speaker 2: this very weird kind of reference to like why he's
Speaker 2: not in a bedroom. It's like, oh, I haven't cleared
Speaker 2: out my mom's stuff, so you have to sleep on
Speaker 2: the couch. It was, it was weird, It was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But then Nathan makes a point of saying to Lucas
Speaker 2: while they're playing basketball together. He's like, I got nothing
Speaker 2: going on. I'm sleeping on your couch. I got nothing
Speaker 2: going on. And in my head, I'm like, a week
Speaker 2: has passed. We know that. Why hasn't his mother written
Speaker 2: her a letter? Hollo, Why isn't he sat down and said,
Speaker 2: point by point, I know you're mad about this. This
Speaker 2: is the reality of what happened. This is what I
Speaker 2: tried to do. This is what she did. Why hasn't
Speaker 2: there been a restraining order like filed against that girl? Like,
Speaker 2: if I'm him, I go and I file a restraining
Speaker 2: order just to show my wife, like I don't want
Speaker 2: this around. There is like work that you can do
Speaker 2: over the course of a week, and Nathan instead playing
Speaker 2: in basketball the River cour insane.
Speaker 3: Insane, Yeah it was. It was really no effort on
Speaker 3: his part. And then she gets you know, she kind
Speaker 3: of gets her ass handed to her a little bit.
Speaker 3: I will say, you know, divesting from how I feel
Speaker 3: about the way the story was carried out. God Skills
Speaker 3: was so good in that scene. Antoine delivered that so beautifully.
Speaker 3: I was like, give that man a show immediately. I
Speaker 3: guess when the strike is over and nobody's working but god,
Speaker 3: he was so great, and I loved the points he
Speaker 3: made about, you know, the way he's showing up for
Speaker 3: this kid that he cares about, and how potentially the
Speaker 3: drama between the adults is making them forget a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I was like, she hasn't forgotten. All she's done
Speaker 3: this year is fight for this family.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm and ugh.
Speaker 3: It bugged me. He was beautiful, but it bugged me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he took what he was given, and I wish
Speaker 2: he would have had a similar conversation with Nathan where
Speaker 2: he was like, exactly, dude, do the work. Do the work.
Speaker 2: We're all here to distract your kid while you're sorting
Speaker 2: it out. All your friends love you, we will take
Speaker 2: care of Jamie. But like, do the work.
Speaker 3: You gotta do the work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Why didn't they have that.
Speaker 3: Conversation with him. I don't know, But this is what
Speaker 3: I mean, is I see it now? And look, it's
Speaker 3: no secret that we had issues with the way that
Speaker 3: many of the writers on our show treated women on
Speaker 3: our show. But God, that it's only her who gets
Speaker 3: the kind of end of the stick over and over
Speaker 3: again doesn't feel good, especially when they've grown Nathan into
Speaker 3: this character who really does show up for people and
Speaker 3: who will have hard conversations and who will you know,
Speaker 3: really put himself on the line. And all that he
Speaker 3: said is I'm not even into her, Like I just can't.
Speaker 3: It's like he's it's like he's fifteen again.
Speaker 2: Didn't he write Dan Scott a letter in prison? He
Speaker 2: went out and bought stamps to send Dan Scott a
Speaker 2: letter and send him his child's photo. He can't write
Speaker 2: his wife a letter and be like, baby, come on, baby, uh,
Speaker 2: if there are boys listening, if we're mad at you,
Speaker 2: write us a letter, like, just like, make it really
Speaker 2: clean and focused to the point, and just explain yourself
Speaker 2: so that I can pick it apart.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to reread it. Yeah, points
Speaker 3: made come up with counterpoints.
Speaker 2: I do love that both Nathan and Haley totally know
Speaker 2: what Lucas and Lindsay are up to in this episode.
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, we absolutely knew that you guys were padding.
Speaker 2: It's the least subtle set up ever ever. Also, why
Speaker 2: is the party at that happening? Like, girl, that's it's
Speaker 2: if it were at a neutral location. And Haley came
Speaker 2: in and Nathan came in and the setup happened on
Speaker 2: like neutral turf, makes sense. But she's the one that
Speaker 2: had to clean the whole house before the party happened.
Speaker 2: You know, she's gonna be the one cleaning up all
Speaker 2: the empty cups and like doing all the dirty work after,
Speaker 2: and so she's expected to do the emotional labor and
Speaker 2: the physical labor. It's sucky. Hello, Yeah, she just wants
Speaker 2: to like go to bed and watch Dateline and drink
Speaker 2: a glass of wine. Leave that woman alone, Give.
Speaker 3: Her a glass of red God and some socks. Let
Speaker 3: her go, I will say, because there was obviously no
Speaker 3: pay off with that surprise, because everybody knew what was
Speaker 3: going on. I Hillary, I forgot. I did, but this
Speaker 3: was the episode that Stephen came back. I forgot about
Speaker 3: the chase. I had no idea. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: one's gonna have a friend, Peyte's gonna get set up.
Speaker 3: And the door opened and I gasped on camera.
Speaker 2: And in his house, I went I loved it, because
Speaker 2: I loved it. I was with my boyfriend for the
Speaker 2: first five seasons of One Tree Hill, and when we
Speaker 2: broke up, the first thing I did was go home
Speaker 2: and like kiss anyone from high school that I had
Speaker 2: an outstanding crush on. It was like you line up,
Speaker 2: come here, like this needs to happen. And so I
Speaker 2: loved the Chase showed up because there was unfinished business there.
Speaker 2: He was such a good guy in season four, like
Speaker 2: I loved him in season four standing up for Brook,
Speaker 2: like sticking with her.
Speaker 3: He really did evolve into such a special guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Steven is just so sweet and he's so enjoyable
Speaker 3: to watch, and it was it was fun to have
Speaker 3: him back and fun to have that scene with the
Speaker 3: four of us in the car where Owen's putting it
Speaker 3: all together.
Speaker 2: That scene was so fun. It was so fun because
Speaker 2: it was so real, Like, yeah, I know that we've
Speaker 2: walked through these kinds of points before where we're like, hey,
Speaker 2: remember that thing that I told you about? Right right?
Speaker 2: The realization on everyone's face is so fun. And I
Speaker 2: love that they immediately felt like friends, Like it didn't
Speaker 2: It was not hard to imagine that they'd been bros
Speaker 2: for like years. How do we think those two men?
Speaker 3: It's so weird, But you know, part of me is like, well,
Speaker 3: was Chase bartending or you know, like are they college friends?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like to imagine that they met like in one
Speaker 2: of those dorky adult kickball leagues, and they don't choke.
Speaker 3: I just I just almost made my smoothie right out
Speaker 3: of my nose.
Speaker 2: No, but you know what I mean. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: those were such a big deal in the early two thousands,
Speaker 2: Like everybody was in a I'm in a rec league
Speaker 2: kickball club, or we had remember our crew was on
Speaker 2: a dodgeball league and we would like play competitively.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I really like. I like when
Speaker 3: I'm driving through the city at night and I see
Speaker 3: like a soccer league, like an amateur soccer league. I'm
Speaker 3: always like, I want to pull over and go play
Speaker 3: with those people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they about? I passed little league fields
Speaker 2: with Gus yesterday. Gus was like, can we just come
Speaker 2: and watch a game? Like there's something kind of voyeuristic
Speaker 2: about watching people revert back to childhood and just be
Speaker 2: their most primal selves. Yeah, that's how I want to believe.
Speaker 2: Chase and Owen know each other.
Speaker 3: And there's a fun dynamic at work in this episode
Speaker 3: that feels like that. Because Brooke gets pulled back to
Speaker 3: high school, Peyton is being pulled back to this high
Speaker 3: school love with Lucas, you know, even Chase asking you
Speaker 3: you know about him and like do you still love him?
Speaker 3: And then he kisses you. It's like it's all it
Speaker 3: all feels like high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Haley and Nathan too, I mean they go
Speaker 2: all the way back to like I shouldn't have tried
Speaker 2: to change you. Oh my god, Like if she had
Speaker 2: had that realization junior year in high school of maybe
Speaker 2: trying to change someone isn't the best deal. Like this
Speaker 2: whole show doesn't happen, the whole thing. I love a
Speaker 2: walk down memory lane and the idea that, like the
Speaker 2: idea that you can go back home and you can
Speaker 2: engage with the people who have known you forever, and
Speaker 2: you can develop new feelings for old people.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I I can only speak from experience, but I love
Speaker 2: staying in touch with my friends from high school. And
Speaker 2: I love when they're like all married to each other.
Speaker 2: And I love when they're like our kids are old
Speaker 2: enough now that they also hang out and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, if there's another generation of like perfew
Speaker 2: high school kids kissing each other, I am just going
Speaker 2: to be so happy, like it just yeah. The crossover
Speaker 2: between fact and fiction is delicious. No. Haley saying that
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have tried to change you was my favorite
Speaker 2: part of the episode because that felt the most real
Speaker 2: and the most grounded because she really did. She worked
Speaker 2: on that dude for years. Remember he was like watching
Speaker 2: porn on the internet when they were like first together
Speaker 2: and Peyton videos and hooking up with her sister. He's
Speaker 2: doing crazy stuff. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: You're right. I think that was my favorite line in
Speaker 3: the episode two. And it is the reality of that,
Speaker 3: the sort of graveness of saying everything in such a
Speaker 3: simple sentence. I love you and I'm not going to
Speaker 3: do this anymore. I love you, but not enough to
Speaker 3: be tortured in my home. I you know whatever, whatever,
Speaker 3: the sort of energy underneath it, it feels big to
Speaker 3: say I just shouldn't. I shouldn't have done all this work.
Speaker 3: You are who you are and oh man, it really
Speaker 3: that got me.
Speaker 2: And she's like and it's okay, Like go be that guy,
Speaker 2: be the guy that has girls running around naked, Like,
Speaker 2: I just want you to be happy, be free, my friend.
Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than an apathetic woman. As long as
Speaker 2: a woman still hates you, you've got a chance but
Speaker 2: the second she turns to apathy, you're like.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh yeah, apathy is the stage you want to
Speaker 3: be in when you realize you're done with something, because
Speaker 3: you go, oh, I'm not affected, I'm just done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so clear. Maybe that's what I liked so
Speaker 2: much about Joy's performance is that she was just so clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like, look, I see how much work everyone's
Speaker 2: putting into this, Lucas Lindsey change their whole game plan.
Speaker 2: You obviously showed up tonight thinking we were gonna have
Speaker 2: some happy reunion. I'm gonna be polite to you, but no,
Speaker 2: all your friends are in on this, our child is
Speaker 2: in on this.
Speaker 8: Feeling very clear, Yeah, it's just brutal. Clarity is such
Speaker 8: a gift. And I think, you know what, I think
Speaker 8: it's that clarity that feels so real and authentic that
Speaker 8: made me feel really irked about the the other stuff
Speaker 8: that we were talking about at the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 8: because we got honesty about this sort of a situation,
Speaker 8: but then we also got this weird glossing over of
Speaker 8: it and shame for the woman, and I just went, oh,
Speaker 8: it bogs me because you did part of it so well,
Speaker 8: what if the other parts had been done this well,
Speaker 8: the only.
Speaker 2: Thing I can think is like, Haley is not a
Speaker 2: pettych like I am, and has it like has it
Speaker 2: amplified this right? Like if it's me, I'm getting all
Speaker 2: my text thread and I'm like, y'all motherfuckers better stand
Speaker 2: by me because you have no idea what he did
Speaker 2: and blah blahlah. This is this this Haley clearly is
Speaker 2: above that and hasn't told all of his boys the
Speaker 2: dumb that he's been doing. And they haven't really asked either.
Speaker 2: It's not like Skills has gone to her and been like, what,
Speaker 2: maybe what's going on? What happened? How can I support you?
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm dying to think about you doing that in
Speaker 3: a text thread. I would never I I am at
Speaker 3: a point where like, I mean shit, I think sometimes
Speaker 3: with friends like us, you know where you're at a distance,
Speaker 3: so we catch up like we get on a FaceTime,
Speaker 3: we do it, and so we really dive in. My
Speaker 3: friends at home sometimes are like, you can't tell us
Speaker 3: about things when you've already solved the problem a year
Speaker 3: into it, Like you have to, you gotta tell us
Speaker 3: in real time. And I'm like, I don't know how
Speaker 3: that works.
Speaker 2: They want to workshop the problem.
Speaker 3: I'm in my little crabshell, in my little cancer crabshell,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm in here figuring it out, and
Speaker 3: I'll come out. I'll come out of the rocks when
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: No, my trauma response is to turn everything into like
Speaker 2: a narrative. Yeah, let me just tell this story, tell
Speaker 2: you right?
Speaker 3: He did? I love that?
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. I like to weave a tale because then
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of distance. Then it's like softened.
Speaker 2: When you keep something like deep inside in a secret,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh god, this is yeah painful, this is hurty.
Speaker 2: But the second you turn it into a funny anecdote
Speaker 2: over like a drink, it doesn't hurt as much anymore.
Speaker 2: And so Haley could do She should do that. She
Speaker 2: should just go out drinking with everyone. Yeah, and be like,
Speaker 2: let me tell you a tale of your friend Nathan. Yes,
Speaker 2: m she's too classy, what a bum out?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm telling you. I'm here for the Petty era.
Speaker 2: I love petty Man, and I never grow out of it.
Speaker 2: I'm that high school again. I just love staying in
Speaker 2: touch and acting like I'm still fifteen. I'm gonna write
Speaker 2: a note and fold it up all cute and tell
Speaker 2: you about all the crazy shit that's going on.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 3: You know who is the scariest petty bitch? Victoria?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was.
Speaker 3: Horrifying in this episode. Like I want to know if
Speaker 3: she was okay when we shot this. I feel like
Speaker 3: it would have been so hard for her.
Speaker 2: Well, because we know it's informed by this fierce protection
Speaker 2: of her daughter. Yeah, but there's something darker here that's
Speaker 2: like what happened to her? Yeah, Like who screwed her
Speaker 2: over so bad that she's convinced the same thing is
Speaker 2: going to happen to Brook.
Speaker 3: Yes. Well, and why do you have to win so
Speaker 3: badly that you want to win if it means somebody
Speaker 3: winds up overdosing destroying, like you want to push someone
Speaker 3: into self harm to prove a point. It is so
Speaker 3: dark it takes my breath away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Brooke is doing the same thing that Hayley's
Speaker 2: doing this episode. I really love the parallel of I'm
Speaker 2: in a toxic situation and I might really love this person,
Speaker 2: and I might really want this person's attention, and I
Speaker 2: have enjoyed the good times, but we have reached the
Speaker 2: end of this arrangement, like, yeah, it's heavy, We have
Speaker 2: reached the end of this arrangement. Oh man, can't you
Speaker 2: imagine Nathan and Victoria just drinking together being like, so
Speaker 2: you got the boot too, yep to your arrangement?
Speaker 3: Cool, same, same.
Speaker 2: Same, No. I mean like Victoria was so like like
Speaker 2: mustache twirling evil. This was her Dan Scott moment. It
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to destroy you at all costs.
Speaker 2: And it made me wonder, like, what did Rachel do?
Speaker 2: What did Rachel do in the year before. We had
Speaker 2: a great moment of mill in this episode informing us like, oh,
Speaker 2: I know Rachel and she describes a person that we
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to see. But girl, what was your what
Speaker 2: was your sense memory? When she said I've had to
Speaker 2: guard the door? I was dying.
Speaker 3: Oh Hillary, it took me right back there. I was like,
Speaker 3: we had some times.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, explain to the folks at home who weren't
Speaker 2: born When Bungalow aid was around.
Speaker 3: Bungalow eight was this very cool club in New York.
Speaker 3: You needed a key to get in, or to know
Speaker 3: someone who had one who would bring you it. It opened.
Speaker 3: Essentially it became a big deal in the later seasons
Speaker 3: of Sex and the City, it was like one of
Speaker 3: the clubs Carrie Bradshaw went too, and then we started
Speaker 3: our show, I mean so quickly after and Bungalow eight
Speaker 3: was still very hot and we were going there and
Speaker 3: it was very you know, to be a young twenty
Speaker 3: something in New York and be like this is her
Speaker 3: spot and now I'm here. It was naughty and viby
Speaker 3: and really fun.
Speaker 2: It was naughty, you know. There was like celebrity in
Speaker 2: the early two thousands was very different than it is
Speaker 2: now because there was no social media, and the paparazzi
Speaker 2: was like, like that was the peak of their power
Speaker 2: because they were the only people that could get kind
Speaker 2: of these candid interactions with famous people. And it was
Speaker 2: the rise of like, you know, socialite culture in New
Speaker 2: York City. And so there were so many of these
Speaker 2: kind of bungalowit places that were velvet rope clubs where
Speaker 2: like you could not get in unless you had some pull.
Speaker 2: And now looking back on it, I'm like, y'all, mother
Speaker 2: firs want me to stand in line for a thing. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I will go to a dive where I just walk
Speaker 2: in and go straight to the bar. I don't want
Speaker 2: to have to be on a clipboard. Don't look for
Speaker 2: my name. But at the time it was serious business
Speaker 2: and the idea that Rachel Rachel of course would be
Speaker 2: a part of that scene, of course so spicy.
Speaker 3: It really tracked Who.
Speaker 2: Do we think Rachel was in the bathroom with. I'm
Speaker 2: so curious if you had to pick two celebrities for
Speaker 2: Rachel to have hung out in the bathroom with.
Speaker 3: It's like, in my head thinking about Rachel as a
Speaker 3: model in New York and the fashion Week scenes there,
Speaker 3: I feel like it would be like a model from
Speaker 3: one of the shows, and then an actor who had
Speaker 3: sat front row, like some handsome guy who was sitting
Speaker 3: from a row at Calvin Klein and a Calvin Klein model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember what a big deal. Like Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 2: and Toby maguire and David Blaine their little club was
Speaker 2: because they would always have a corner table in all
Speaker 2: of those kinds of clubs, yep. And I remember being
Speaker 2: told like, don't go near that car, like they are
Speaker 2: just there to pull chicks. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh weird, interesting, not my energy. But we know that
Speaker 2: Leo loves models. I'm sure Rachial track she would have
Speaker 2: had a moment at least just like a real flirty
Speaker 2: night with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That actually, I didn't think about how connected those
Speaker 3: moments were until you just said that. But that moment
Speaker 3: where she hits on mouth, aside from being the most
Speaker 3: ridiculous thing that was written by a man, I could
Speaker 3: just really use the release. I'm like the relief No,
Speaker 3: no girl has ever my God, but you know, her
Speaker 3: hitting on him and him having the wherewithal to say,
Speaker 3: you can have anyone you want and anything you want,
Speaker 3: but you don't know that you need to know that.
Speaker 3: It is interesting that he knew to remind her, potentially
Speaker 3: because of what Millicent shared with him, potentially because he
Speaker 3: got he got a window into who Rachel was, you know,
Speaker 3: at her quote unquote height, you know, her prime as
Speaker 3: she might define herself, like her most successful and he's
Speaker 3: just like, none of that matters. Actually, and I thought
Speaker 3: that it was really a nice moment.
Speaker 2: There's a discovery process to realizing that none of that
Speaker 2: stuff matters. Because when you are young, everybody wants to
Speaker 2: be invited to the party, of course, right whether you're
Speaker 2: in high school, and there's like the party happening after
Speaker 2: the football game, and like who gets invited becomes like
Speaker 2: a big deal. You go to college, I still.
Speaker 3: Want to be invited. I don't want to go, but
Speaker 3: I want to be invited.
Speaker 2: But that's the discovery process. It said, we all want
Speaker 2: to be invited when we're young. Well, most of us
Speaker 2: want to be invited when we're young, and when we
Speaker 2: were young, those velvet rope clubs were like the thing
Speaker 2: to do, and we have gotten to go through the
Speaker 2: natural discovery process of being like, oh, we did it
Speaker 2: enough to realize it wasn't fulfilling, It wasn't that great.
Speaker 2: You know, there were parts of it that were actually
Speaker 2: kind of creepy and weird. Rachel doesn't get to do
Speaker 2: that because she's cut off. She's dismissed from the party,
Speaker 2: and she's been dismissed from high school parties on our show.
Speaker 2: She's now being dismissed from the cultural party that is
Speaker 2: New York City it and now she's being dismissed from
Speaker 2: like the one thing she's always been able to do
Speaker 2: is like pull a dude, and how many times can
Speaker 2: you punch a chick? Before she reverts back to her
Speaker 2: bad coping mechanisms. Yeah, I thought for sure she was
Speaker 2: going to take off when Mouth rejected her, and she doesn't.
Speaker 2: In this episode, Mouth rejects her and she stays there,
Speaker 2: even after getting a text message from some old party
Speaker 2: buddies like hey, let's get messed up. And I thought
Speaker 2: that was a really important thing to show that she
Speaker 2: took a hit, and she stayed on the couch and
Speaker 2: she just took a nap. And it wasn't until Victoria
Speaker 2: showed up and really pushed and pushed and pushed and
Speaker 2: pushed that she fell apart. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: fully expected her to leave when Mouth was like sorry,
Speaker 2: and she did it.
Speaker 3: She did it, and I liked that. I liked her
Speaker 3: saying I'm going to beat this. You see, you see
Speaker 3: the effort she's putting in. You see that she wants
Speaker 3: to be different. And in a way, I think that's
Speaker 3: what Victoria sees too. She can identify it, and she lasers,
Speaker 3: she layser focuses on it to eviscerate that hope, and
Speaker 3: it's it's just so.
Speaker 2: Dark, yeah, and it it becomes like death by a
Speaker 2: thousand paper cuts the episode, because you know, there's the
Speaker 2: whole conversation with Brooke and Rachel where it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I know you gave Peyton a shot with her business.
Speaker 2: Can I model again? And Brooke has to tell her, like, baby,
Speaker 2: that wasn't the offer, Like sorry, you misinterpreted this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I and it it's just a hitter hit after hitten.
Speaker 2: And then Victoria is a tsunami, like she just wipes
Speaker 2: everything out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she really does. She really clears the dining room table.
Speaker 3: But I loved the scene. That's the one that I
Speaker 3: really remembered shooting that scene with Danille and I. I
Speaker 3: loved that they gave me space to be gentle with her.
Speaker 3: You know, so often on an ensemble show, an important
Speaker 3: moment happens in like four sentences in a scene. And
Speaker 3: the fact that we got to sit and talk and
Speaker 3: you really got to see Brooke taking Rachel through her
Speaker 3: own logic. I don't want to put you in a
Speaker 3: scene that's been bad for you. Yeah, it's it's temptation everywhere,
Speaker 3: it's dangerous. Let's do something else. I'll support you in
Speaker 3: another way. But it's of course it's crushing for Rachel
Speaker 3: to realize that she's just not going to get what
Speaker 3: she wants. Or what she thought she was getting.
Speaker 2: I have strong sense memory of shooting that scene between
Speaker 2: Peyton and Rachel out on the deck because it was
Speaker 2: kind of this sense of like, we're giving you your
Speaker 2: friend back, We're giving you your gift back, right, And
Speaker 2: I was so like, oh, she's here, fantastic. It felt
Speaker 2: like a dangling carrot, like you want this, and I did.
Speaker 2: I was so happy to have her there, and then
Speaker 2: we were all I remember all of us like hanging
Speaker 2: out in the apartment set because that scene where Chase
Speaker 2: first shows up and it's Rachel, Brooke and Peyton, Yeah,
Speaker 2: really enjoying it so fun. I remember that so well
Speaker 2: because it felt like high school again. I felt real.
Speaker 2: It was like the gang is back together, and that
Speaker 2: energy I think is a tease for the audience because
Speaker 2: they're like, oh my god, we're gonna have the girls,
Speaker 2: like the cheoting squad back together. And by the end
Speaker 2: of the episode, Rachel is caput. She's gone. I know.
Speaker 3: It makes me so sad. I thought about that for you.
Speaker 3: When I saw you walk out onto that balcony, I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, they're having one of those moments like
Speaker 3: where they give you your real life friend on screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no reason for that scene. Yeah, Nune No.
Speaker 2: I had a great time. I had my friend back.
Speaker 2: In this episode. I got to kiss Kaletti a couple times.
Speaker 3: How is that?
Speaker 2: That was awesome?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: It was so weird because it was like he and
Speaker 2: I were buddies, and I didn't want to be like
Speaker 2: a creeper, but I was really excited to kiss someone
Speaker 2: new because I've been doing so much belly ache and
Speaker 2: over Lucas that I was like, yeah, maybe this will
Speaker 2: be a thing, and then it clearly wasn't. But I
Speaker 2: like that they're being cool with each other in that way.
Speaker 2: I like that they both like Peyton finally has someone
Speaker 2: that validates like, hey, it's okay, like you can still
Speaker 2: have a crush on that person because I have a
Speaker 2: crush on Brook.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool, I feel like having a cohort in a way.
Speaker 2: I was into that. I like that. And then later
Speaker 2: later in like season six, life imitated Art because I
Speaker 2: got dumped by this dude I was seeing and Colletti
Speaker 2: is who took me out and like we went out
Speaker 2: to a bar and he's such a good wingman. He
Speaker 2: was just like, I am not going to let you
Speaker 2: wallow in this we are gonna dance and we went
Speaker 2: to go see Bibbis sing, oh yeah, yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: good wingman. He's a good, good party buddy when you're
Speaker 2: down and out. So yeah, I I think that moment
Speaker 2: at the party was great, and I think that there's
Speaker 2: still a spark between Brooke and Chase. Is that what
Speaker 2: the plan was? Were they gonna remove Owen and like,
Speaker 2: have you hooked back up a Chase?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I really don't remember. I don't know
Speaker 3: if maybe it was like like was Joe was true
Speaker 3: blood in the mix at this point, like did we
Speaker 3: know he was leaving?
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a tingle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. That's sort of what I what
Speaker 3: my brain is pulling up. But I don't know if
Speaker 3: the timeline is accurate or not. They would always just
Speaker 3: be so mad when guest stars would get other work.
Speaker 3: So maybe I'm a little truck.
Speaker 2: We're not going to offer you a full contract, but
Speaker 2: but we will be thoroughly pissed if someone else hires you.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, these people have bills to pay, right, Hello,
Speaker 3: that's why we're still striking.
Speaker 2: You two are so cute in this episode.
Speaker 3: Oh, Joe and I are Stephen and I.
Speaker 2: You and Joe You sitting in his lap eating birthday cake.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, it was so innocent.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We always had like a very easy chemistry. And
Speaker 3: Joe is so kind and he really he's got that
Speaker 3: like protector energy.
Speaker 2: You would have to at his size. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: I'm not having protector energy? But Joe just always.
Speaker 3: Made me feel really safe, and you know, we were
Speaker 3: in an environment where we didn't always feel safe, and
Speaker 3: it was easy and it was nice. And you know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't one of those guys who like showed up
Speaker 3: at work trying to hit on everybody. He was like
Speaker 3: a good dude.
Speaker 2: He was probably the most platonic dude that we ever
Speaker 2: had come on the show. Like, yeah, I never feel
Speaker 2: any weirdness from him ever ever ever.
Speaker 3: Truly such a like good sweet dude. Oh I wish
Speaker 3: we had I wish we had a little mole in
Speaker 3: the writer's room because I would love to know if
Speaker 3: they were putting him in his place by bringing Colletti back,
Speaker 3: or if they were just trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to bring Colleti back because we missed him like, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know either, but it feels pointed. It's a
Speaker 2: great story point. I love it. I love that it
Speaker 2: puts Brooke in the same position that like Lucas is in,
Speaker 2: because it's like, we've made so much fun of Lucas
Speaker 2: for how poorly he's doing in this situation, and so
Speaker 2: it's like, well, let's see if a woman can handle
Speaker 2: this any better, and so far, so good. I like
Speaker 2: that Brooke is just like, hey man, what do you
Speaker 2: want from me? I'm adorable. Of course they're all in
Speaker 2: love with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that tactic,
Speaker 2: and I like that I don't know. I just like
Speaker 2: the energy between Peyton and Brooke in this episode. I
Speaker 2: feel like we were so in lockstep with one another
Speaker 2: and everything felt really safe, and even when we're making
Speaker 2: jokes about like oh I'm gonna kiss your boyfriend whatever,
Speaker 2: it's easy, it's fun. You know that they're taking care
Speaker 2: of one another. So I'm going through here and I'm
Speaker 2: looking at my notes about what I remember from this episode.
Speaker 2: The Lucas and Lindsay stuff is sweet in this episode.
Speaker 2: I like the idea that she finally makes the connection
Speaker 2: for all of us because I hadn't thought about it before.
Speaker 2: Where She's like, if my dad and uncle Keith were
Speaker 2: hanging out at a bar in heaven, what do you
Speaker 2: think they would talk about? Like that's a connection point
Speaker 2: that we really haven't seen addressed on the show. And
Speaker 2: I like that she does that for us.
Speaker 3: That like ruined me. I needed to search for a word.
Speaker 3: It just and again we've talked about this gap between
Speaker 3: our life experience then and our life experience now. It
Speaker 3: hits different now because we all have those experiences. We
Speaker 3: think about those things, We think about the people that
Speaker 3: we love that aren't here anymore, and are they all
Speaker 3: together somewhere? Like oh, and I don't know it. I
Speaker 3: went from like watching the episode taking notes to just
Speaker 3: like choking on an ugly sob it really it just
Speaker 3: got me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a connection point for the two of them.
Speaker 2: That's really serious, because to lose a parent is awful.
Speaker 2: To lose a parent in your teens, in your early twenties,
Speaker 2: before you get married, before you have kids, before you
Speaker 2: hit all these like professional milestones, before before like all
Speaker 2: the stuff is a pain that thankfully not everyone knows.
Speaker 2: And so to find another human that gets it and
Speaker 2: can hold your hand through it. I like that Lucas
Speaker 2: and Lindsay have each other. That's a great connection. It
Speaker 2: was a connection that he had with Peyton, you know,
Speaker 2: So it makes sense if it ain't broke, don't fix
Speaker 2: it well.
Speaker 3: And I think there's something as a viewer, you know,
Speaker 3: who's not in the dynamic of that relationship and that
Speaker 3: triangle for the three of you. As as beautiful as
Speaker 3: the question is and the ensuing conversation, you can't help
Speaker 3: five years into this thing when you've been rooting for
Speaker 3: Lucas and Peyton having that little itch going. But Keith
Speaker 3: and Peyton's mom, like they've shared this stuff already. This
Speaker 3: this is new for Lindsay, but you know it's not
Speaker 3: for him because of you, and it's and it's a
Speaker 3: I don't know it really it put me deep in
Speaker 3: my feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh I loved the moon bounce. Let me just
Speaker 2: tell you how much I loved that moon bounce because
Speaker 2: we got to have it for the duration of filming
Speaker 2: and so we would wrap work and just bounce in
Speaker 2: the moon bounce. The idea that this kid through this
Speaker 2: party is fantastic because I like all the things that
Speaker 2: five year olds like and yeah, I like that it
Speaker 2: worked out this way because then our crew got to
Speaker 2: actually use all of these party things, Like someone had
Speaker 2: to eat all that cotton candy. It was us amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: grown up moon bounces should be more of a thing.
Speaker 3: I'm so into it, like and look, I was a
Speaker 3: camp counselor. I love watching other people's kids. I also
Speaker 3: shamelessly when there is a moon bounce at a thing,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll watch the kids.
Speaker 2: I want to get in there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me in.
Speaker 3: I got I got it, I got it. You go
Speaker 3: get a beer. I'll be over there with.
Speaker 2: Them, dude. I volunteered for field day at my son's
Speaker 2: school and they had all these inflatable things and one
Speaker 2: of them was a slip and slide, but it was
Speaker 2: like two slides, so you were racing against the person
Speaker 2: next to you.
Speaker 3: That's so fun.
Speaker 2: And one of the teachers was like, do you want
Speaker 2: to race? And I did, I really really did, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. I was like, no, I have
Speaker 2: to be the adult here. Oh man, no, I couldn't listen. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm an authoritative figure with those seventh graders. I gotta
Speaker 2: be an adult also, I just didn't want to be
Speaker 2: wet all day. Yeah, with kids, Like if it was
Speaker 2: like a grown up party and we were drinking blue
Speaker 2: Moon and having a good time, Like yeah, yes, but
Speaker 2: like hanging out in the school baseball field. No, I
Speaker 2: don't think that, not for me, not the vibe. No,
Speaker 2: but it did seem like a dope party. And remember
Speaker 2: what a big deal Guitar Hero was. Oh well, we.
Speaker 3: Were all really playing that at that stage. Remember that's
Speaker 3: when we all got the consoles because of jack So
Speaker 3: everybody got a we everybody got a Guitar Hero. We
Speaker 3: had it in the office and it it The fact
Speaker 3: that it worked its way into the episode I thought
Speaker 3: was very sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's how you knew we were also
Speaker 2: in a writer's strike, because they're like, what can we
Speaker 2: just farm? Real? Yeah, we know that Jackson's into this.
Speaker 2: Jackson's performance in this episode is my favorite because I
Speaker 2: have a five year old and I saw so much
Speaker 2: of my daughter in him this episode, especially in the
Speaker 2: scene where Brooke and Owen go to his bedroom and
Speaker 2: he does this real sly little is this your boyfriend? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And that's exactly how my daughter asks questions. It's always like, hmmm,
Speaker 2: I'm suspicious of you.
Speaker 3: That's so cute.
Speaker 2: I love a suspicious child.
Speaker 3: I do too, and I love this whole phase. Getting
Speaker 3: to be Jamie's godmother was just the best I had
Speaker 3: the best. Season five was so fun for me.
Speaker 2: Frankly, I'm surprised that brooken skills never get together because
Speaker 2: they're the most like pro Jamie godparents. That would have
Speaker 2: been an interesting turn.
Speaker 3: It would have been fun, just.
Speaker 2: A little like let's play house. We both love this
Speaker 2: child well. I think that Jackson had to do a
Speaker 2: lot of heavy lifting here, and he.
Speaker 3: Did, and he did it really, really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's not being a brat with his mom,
Speaker 2: but he's be needy. Yeah, and there's a fine line there,
Speaker 2: and I feel so much for him while also being like, hey,
Speaker 2: moms need a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, give her a minute.
Speaker 2: But the thing that got me was like Nathan's having
Speaker 2: all the fun with the kid because he's glossing over
Speaker 2: those big questions and Haley's so honest with Jamie in
Speaker 2: the episode and it's like, baby, I don't know the answers,
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer, and Nathan is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I sure, hope I get to come home right after
Speaker 2: Haley's told him like you're not coming home, like we're
Speaker 2: done done, and so yeah, this poor little boy is
Speaker 2: getting very mixed messages. Yeah, but he gets to he
Speaker 2: gets to bounce. They got a party out of the dude. Well.
Speaker 2: How did we feel about the scene between you and Victoria?
Speaker 2: Because that was epic.
Speaker 3: I just felt like it was such a long time coming.
Speaker 3: I it's visceral for me remembering that, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: in many ways, I feel like getting to stand up
Speaker 3: to her as Brooke in that moment was also cathartic
Speaker 3: for every time I've never stood up for myself in
Speaker 3: my real life. You know, I don't know it does
Speaker 3: it feels like it feels close? What was it like
Speaker 3: for you watching it?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know if I can talk about it, you.
Speaker 6: Talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What I loved is that she's she tells Brooke over
Speaker 2: and over again. She's like, brook you have to remove
Speaker 2: emotion from business. You have to remove emotion from business,
Speaker 2: not realizing that the only thing keeping her in Brooks
Speaker 2: business is emotional and so the second that Brooke takes
Speaker 2: her advice and removes the emotion from the business, She's gone, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just loved that little turn where it was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna do exactly what she told me to.
Speaker 2: You win, You're gone. That's the kind of emotional docy
Speaker 2: dough I want in my series. I'm like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: got what you wanted.
Speaker 3: Suck at Victoria, I I got a lot.
Speaker 2: What are we missing? What else? What else happened?
Speaker 3: Oh Peyton, seeing Lindsay in her wedding dress was a moment.
Speaker 2: Girl. Was it weird?
Speaker 3: Did you have like do you feel jealousy about it
Speaker 3: because like and Lucas or your territory? What did it
Speaker 3: feel like?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure at the time I felt like
Speaker 2: it was weird, like oh cool, I'm sure that's fun
Speaker 2: for you. Then you're a ball gown. But now thinking
Speaker 2: about it, I'm just really glad I didn't do that
Speaker 2: like tucked ball you know that like kind of like tucking.
Speaker 2: That's not like the skirt of the ball gown that
Speaker 2: was very two thousands. Bridal fashion is so easy to
Speaker 2: fuck up. And so while I love it for Brooke
Speaker 2: Davis and closeover Bros. That she got to design this dress, aesthetically,
Speaker 2: it was not a Peyton vibe. It's not a vibe
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 3: Worn, not my vibe aesthetically either.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like a it was like a like
Speaker 2: a a fake pinning that was happening on the ball
Speaker 2: gowns of skirts back then, where it was supposed to look.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a lemon merangue, like you know
Speaker 2: when merangue is bait and it just stays in its
Speaker 2: shaves in his shape. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, or like
Speaker 2: a like an ice cream cone, right, like the skirt
Speaker 2: half that kind of soft, sir. I wasn't mad about
Speaker 2: that dress. If it had been all like angular and
Speaker 2: bitchy like my wedding dress in real life was, then yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have been jealous. But I didn't want that dress.
Speaker 2: So I guess you were asking me about the boy
Speaker 2: part of it. I can all I'm just like the dress.
Speaker 3: You're like, whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't even care. No. I thought. There was an
Speaker 2: awkward moment in the episode where Peyton goes to see
Speaker 2: Lucas at the basketball court and is like, are you
Speaker 2: gonna yell at me for being mean to Lindsay yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I didn't hear anything about it. That
Speaker 2: was awkward, But I don't know twenty two how old
Speaker 2: are our characters? Twenty one two? Awkward? Let's be graceful
Speaker 2: about it. Lucas, for his part, though, don't do any
Speaker 2: weird shit with Peyton at the party. Congratulations, he's like
Speaker 2: focused on his bride.
Speaker 3: Finally, it's very different than the clothover bros. Opening My god.
Speaker 2: Right, No, he's doing it.
Speaker 3: You can do better. I'm still still icked about that. No,
Speaker 3: he was good, and getting to see them be together
Speaker 3: in a nice way was nice.
Speaker 2: I bought it. It's what they probably were pre Brook
Speaker 2: and Peyton coming home. Yes, now we're finally getting to
Speaker 2: see it. Well, well, well, Brooke was convinced earlier, Peyton's convinced. Now.
Speaker 2: I guess Lucas and Lindsay are going to be happily
Speaker 2: over after whatever. It's fine, I'll just go kiss all
Speaker 2: of Brook's other ex boyfriends, right, yeah, sorry, I guess
Speaker 2: Peyton never kisses Owen, does she? No? Trying to think
Speaker 2: if there are any other Brook quest that we didn't
Speaker 2: cross over on.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think you do. And in later years,
Speaker 3: you know, once you had left and they made poor
Speaker 3: sweet Jana do it. So like Alex goes for Julian
Speaker 3: almost like Nanny Carey goes for Nathan. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: pre us finding out she's a sociopath. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was gnarly and I was just like, why is everybody
Speaker 3: always trying to own Brooks boyfriends? What's happened?
Speaker 2: Irritating? You said, Carrie, One thing I forgot in this episode,
Speaker 2: you guys, is that the amazing woman who was my
Speaker 2: stand in on the show, Carrie Moscow please, the store
Speaker 2: clerk that ends up sleeping with Dan, right, But she
Speaker 2: also played the prostitute that went home with Matt Barr.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that Derek dressed up to look like Peyton.
Speaker 2: And I love that this one character sleeps with Matt
Speaker 2: Barr and gets assaulted and then sleeps with Dan Scott
Speaker 2: the second he gets out of prison. And she's just
Speaker 2: she's part of the folklore of Tree Hill.
Speaker 3: She is a bad man magnet.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's spicy. Patty. What was her name Patty?
Speaker 3: In the episode Patty, what time do you get off
Speaker 3: to pass? When do you want to pick me up?
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I just love that they cast
Speaker 2: carry for these parts because she's so great.
Speaker 3: I love it. She is great.
Speaker 2: I liked the episode all in all. It made me
Speaker 2: want to go home and have an all class reunion
Speaker 2: with my high school friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked it. I'm gonna be curious when we
Speaker 3: get on for the next one and we get joy back.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm going to have some follow up questions,
Speaker 3: you know, when we watch the episodes and it's like previously,
Speaker 3: I want to next week. I want to have a
Speaker 3: little previously on with her.
Speaker 2: Because she was so good in this episode.
Speaker 3: Oh so good. Do we want to do a fan question?
Speaker 2: I think we ought to.
Speaker 3: I've got one for us from Tanya. She says, how
Speaker 3: far ahead do you know the plot lines when acting?
Speaker 3: For example, that Lindsay leaves Lucas at the altar, that
Speaker 3: Nanny Carey is actually crazy? Oh, Tanya, buckle up, babe.
Speaker 2: Like the week before maybe if you're lucky.
Speaker 3: Sometimes a day before if you're not lucky.
Speaker 2: We were getting into binds where we would get the
Speaker 2: script like two days before we'd have to start it, yeah,
Speaker 2: because it has to go through so many revisions and
Speaker 2: then like network notes and then tone meetings and a
Speaker 2: lot of executive level blooney before it gets to the
Speaker 2: actors that are like, oh cool, let me just memorize
Speaker 2: sixty pages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, by tomorrow. And you know you've got to prep,
Speaker 3: you've got to figure out how to make things work.
Speaker 3: It's not just memorizing, it's all the other building of
Speaker 3: the world you have to do. And yeah, it can
Speaker 3: be really crazy making when you know, let's say we'd
Speaker 3: be starting a new episode. This is five eleven, for example,
Speaker 3: we're starting five eleven on a Thursday, and we don't
Speaker 3: get the script until Tuesday night, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: I wish I'd have known that Chase was gonna be
Speaker 3: Owen's friend, because I would have done this thing differently
Speaker 3: in the scene we shot yesterday in five ten, like,
Speaker 3: you know, that wouldn't have been the one obviously that
Speaker 3: was a surprise. But yeah, if you know Lindsay's gonna
Speaker 3: leave him at the altar, or you know that someone's
Speaker 3: gonna get arrested, that can inform a lot about your work. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they just don't always tell you.
Speaker 2: Well, even for me in this narrative right where it's
Speaker 2: like Peyton said, I love you and you're getting married. Cool. Great,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna deal with it. If I'd have known that
Speaker 2: Lindsay was gonna leave him at the altar. I probably
Speaker 2: would have paid, like played the panic a little bit
Speaker 2: more right of like, oh my god, he's actually gonna
Speaker 2: go through with this, like he's actually gonna do this. Instead,
Speaker 2: in my mind, Lucas was getting married, so Peyton was
Speaker 2: gonna go off in a different direction. Yes, I kind
Speaker 2: of played it like I'm the cool girl, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get over it, and like I don't care.
Speaker 3: I have to get over it. What's my choice? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I was.
Speaker 2: Kind of more apathetic about it, But I feel like
Speaker 2: it would have enhanced the drama if Peyton had been
Speaker 2: a little bit more like, oh I care, I care,
Speaker 2: I care. Yeah, but I didn't know. I legitimately thought
Speaker 2: they were gonna get married and have babies and do
Speaker 2: the thing. So I was I mean, frankly, I was
Speaker 2: just looking at the call sheets to see if someone
Speaker 2: knew was coming in that I could kiss. Wow, what's
Speaker 2: happening next? Is Greenberg back? He wasn't. They teased us
Speaker 2: with that this season though. I remember them being like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're trying to get him. Yeah he said that every year.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Tanya, it's uh, it's not like a movie
Speaker 2: where we know what's gonna happen. We have to play
Speaker 2: everything super open ended. They're gonna throw it us. I
Speaker 2: love it, all right. What's your honorable mention?
Speaker 3: I liked that line of joys. That's mine. I shouldn't
Speaker 3: have tried to change you. Oh god, that's my honorable mention. Sorry,
Speaker 3: it's a downer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my honorable mention is in the car with Chase
Speaker 2: and Owen and Brooke and Peyton. Yeah, when he says,
Speaker 2: do you remember the fake virgin chick? And we don't
Speaker 2: get mad at the fake virgin part? No, we are
Speaker 2: we go chick? He called me a chip fake virgin,
Speaker 2: yes chick, No, no, sir. Yeah, we should make t
Speaker 2: shirts that say that, do you remember the fake virgin chick?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Into it? Do it all right, We're gonna spin a wheel.
Speaker 3: Spin, We'll send you home.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Bevin was so good in this episode.
Speaker 2: Bevin was so good in this episode. Honorable Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just putting her foot in her mouth over and over
Speaker 2: and over again.
Speaker 3: So funny.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Most likely to own a food truck?
Speaker 2: Okay, character, which character is most likely to own a
Speaker 2: food truck?
Speaker 3: Tim?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was yeah, yes, because he's gonna put He's
Speaker 2: gonna have one of those like Ponzi scheme ideas where
Speaker 2: he gets some dumb investor where he's like, guys, it's nachos,
Speaker 2: but it's made out of beer, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 2: some stupid yeah, and someone's gonna invest in that.
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna invest in it, and he's just gonna be
Speaker 3: driving around town making people snacks.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm track. I like that. Where I'm at right now,
Speaker 2: we have ice cream trucks all over the place and
Speaker 2: they are not playing old school songs anymore. They've got
Speaker 2: this you're kind of electronic like music, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like horror film music, like it sounds like a stranger thing. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just out there going for a walk and you
Speaker 2: hear like soundtrack of doom coming up behind you, so
Speaker 2: like crazy, that's a Tim move. Oh my god, for
Speaker 2: sure a Tim move. Who in real life? I mean,
Speaker 2: Daneil has food trucks at family business brewing company, at
Speaker 2: the distillery, they have food trucks.
Speaker 3: Well, there you go. I a food truck for me
Speaker 3: is the kind of dream that surfing is. I think
Speaker 3: I would love it if I did it, and I'm
Speaker 3: never gonna do it, But in my head, I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm a month away from having a taco truck or
Speaker 3: being a girl who knows how to work a surfboard.
Speaker 3: I don't even like the ocean, but I think I
Speaker 3: think about it, and I'm like, I could do that someday.
Speaker 3: I never will. I love that, but God, I would
Speaker 3: love to have a food truck.
Speaker 2: Oh my saxt could be my business. Hell yeah, in
Speaker 2: our next lifetime, that's happening, all right, you guys. Next
Speaker 2: episode we have season five, episode twelve. It's called hundred,
Speaker 2: one hundred, very Antoine. Antoine used to say that he
Speaker 2: still says that all the time. One hundred. All right,
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