Speaker 1: I with Alexi Napola and Marisa Patton an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi guys, welcome to another episode.
Speaker 1: Of that was great?
Speaker 2: How did we do that in unison sync? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see b and Benidos welcome back. We had
Speaker 1: a lot of trash to talk today, don't with my friend?
Speaker 2: Oh per usual for her. I think we're pretty good
Speaker 2: at it, and I know that you guys love listening
Speaker 2: to us, and I guess we should just start by
Speaker 2: playing a quick catchup, right, jump on in. By the way,
Speaker 2: did you see? Us Weekly reported that many illustors avoided
Speaker 2: taking pictures or asking to be taking pictures with Megan
Speaker 2: Markle at the lavish Hampton's gathering.
Speaker 1: I get Bana, Bana, Hannah. I just I don't.
Speaker 2: Why does she still just good anyway? We're so embarrassed
Speaker 2: for her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're embarrassed for her. Why does she go anywhere?
Speaker 1: And anyway? Every time she goes out, everyone gets like
Speaker 1: pissed off and nobody wants to be around her. It's
Speaker 1: she's just like.
Speaker 2: This, does she even realize it? I think that she
Speaker 2: thinks she's like so above all that that she doesn't
Speaker 2: even realize that people really don't like her, want to
Speaker 2: take a picture with her. I yeah, So one source
Speaker 2: said that they knew that if they're in a picture
Speaker 2: with her, which means Megan, it is an approval of
Speaker 2: her that she can't use to promote herself.
Speaker 1: Oh right, So people don't want to take a picture
Speaker 1: with her because they think that she's going to use
Speaker 1: it to promote her thing, her projects, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, Like she wants people to believe her,
Speaker 1: right right. But I thought it was funny that it's
Speaker 1: Gweneth Paltrow. Yeah, that she's not very liked either. Nicol
Speaker 1: wants a picture anyway, She's She's probably like, look, nobody
Speaker 1: likes me. So I'm talking definitely not taking a picture.
Speaker 1: I am Megan, get away from me.
Speaker 2: I got enough troubles on my own exactly. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just thought it was like a poor choice, Like,
Speaker 2: if you want to take a picture, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be with gwen because by the way, nobody likes
Speaker 2: her and YouTube together, like, it's not going anywhere, are
Speaker 2: they right? So the big question is, really, have you
Speaker 2: ever avoided someone out a function?
Speaker 1: Oh? Actually, I have a really good story and you
Speaker 1: were there like usual okay, well I want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Okay, remind me of that good story.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this summer when we went to Madonna's
Speaker 1: son's art Guy.
Speaker 2: You already that one.
Speaker 1: I knew it was that one.
Speaker 2: Say it?
Speaker 1: So we Alexi and I obviously are invited to an
Speaker 1: art showing for rocker Richie. He was an amazing artist,
Speaker 1: Madonna's son with Guy Ritchie and the people that were
Speaker 1: throwing it on. The minute I walk in the door,
Speaker 1: come running up to me and going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Adriana from your show showed up. She wasn't invited. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry we didn't invite her. We're so sorry. Please
Speaker 1: don't leave. I mean, we know, you know, we want
Speaker 1: you in Alexia here, but we don't want her here.
Speaker 1: Right the way, Yeah, nobody even noticed her, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I was trying not to know. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's easy to miss. But anyway, fast forward with that
Speaker 1: being said, uh huh. So then a photographer comes out
Speaker 1: to me and says, hey, let's get a group picture,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, sure, And all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I'm standing next to Adriana. I go, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: wait wait, I'll be right back and I go grab
Speaker 1: Alexia and I said, Adrianna wants a picture with us?
Speaker 1: And Alexia's like, hell, no, of course.
Speaker 2: Not so at that moment, I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like Adriana wants a picture with us to validate or
Speaker 2: to pretend they were in good terms and were in
Speaker 2: speaking terms, and she's my friend, and guess what, I'm
Speaker 2: not doing that. I'm not falling into that now. So
Speaker 2: I know the photographer didn't like it, because of course
Speaker 2: he wanted that picture of the three of us, and I,
Speaker 2: you know, very quickly said absolutely not, pretty much like
Speaker 2: in her face. And I was like, okay with it.
Speaker 2: It's like I can't be a hypocrite that aya.
Speaker 1: But then she called you out and when you were.
Speaker 2: Leaving it so she you know, became who she is,
Speaker 2: like a housewife. Moment the cameras weren't there, and she
Speaker 2: actually chased me outside. Yeah, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you should have taken that picture with me. I don't
Speaker 2: know where you want a picture with me? And I go,
Speaker 2: why don't I want a picture with you? I know, like,
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? You've been insulting me all season
Speaker 2: and making up lies you know about my family and
Speaker 2: you know, just going after me every season, and now
Speaker 2: you want a picture with me, Like I'm not that
Speaker 2: kind of friend. Yeah, Like I take pictures with my friends,
Speaker 2: with people that I like and I admire or fra respect.
Speaker 1: If you want to say you're our fan, then maybe
Speaker 1: we'll let you know what.
Speaker 2: Maybe no, no, my fans.
Speaker 1: I love my family.
Speaker 2: I mean her right, Well, maybe that's what she was
Speaker 2: trying to do. Fan. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: people are very strategic about that, and I feel like
Speaker 2: Megan is one of those people. You know, she just
Speaker 2: goes to events, you know, to get that picture and
Speaker 2: you know, to have like, you know, a false narrative
Speaker 2: of who she is and who her friends are and
Speaker 2: her story and just to use it later on.
Speaker 1: I Unfortunately, for her, there's just nothing she does seems
Speaker 1: to feel authentic and right. It just always seems like
Speaker 1: bad acting.
Speaker 2: I agree, Well that's not why she's acting. I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like that's why she's not acting, because like
Speaker 2: she's not even a good actress. I've never been I've
Speaker 2: never really cared for her.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know she wasn't until she did
Speaker 1: at Megan, I mean, sorry, Harry. But yeah, but then
Speaker 1: you know, when she was on the world stage, it's
Speaker 1: been Wow. Yeah, she's like the world's worst actress.
Speaker 2: She is, and she's never been like somebody that's caught
Speaker 2: my attention. You know, there's like certain like celebrities or
Speaker 2: like stories about families or people that are quite interesting
Speaker 2: and you just you know, even though everybody may hate them,
Speaker 2: you may still have like a liking for them, or
Speaker 2: there's something but about her. I've just like never been interested.
Speaker 2: So you know what, we're not taking a picture with you, Megan.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Harry. I'll take a picture of
Speaker 1: Harry any day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not with me. He's a redhead. You know
Speaker 1: how I feel about Gingi's.
Speaker 2: Well, that's you. Yeah, I don't have that fetish. We'll
Speaker 2: leave that to you.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna talk about this because my husband listens
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I didn't even want to talk about this,
Speaker 2: but like you know, we have to start with something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not start with bashing Megan?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, moving right along to people I love? Yes,
Speaker 2: So this time is Ben Affleck of course really not
Speaker 2: j Loo, So you can talk about it because it's Ben.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen, I mean, how could we not have
Speaker 1: an episode without at least one of them in it,
Speaker 1: Ben or Jail. Of course.
Speaker 2: Well, they're all over the place, you know, and unlike Megan,
Speaker 2: Ben doesn't want a picture with anybody, right, he doesn't.
Speaker 2: By the way, he doesn't want anybody to take a
Speaker 2: picture with him either.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's like avoiding this but evoting. He can't get
Speaker 2: away from it, you know, he can't get away from
Speaker 2: the paparazzis, he can't get away from the media attention.
Speaker 2: And now he can't get away with his horrible crew cut,
Speaker 2: not krow cut.
Speaker 1: What is it? The foe hawk full hawk? Yeah? Can
Speaker 1: you say that three times? Oh?
Speaker 2: Hawk, full hack, full hock. Yeah, I know what you
Speaker 2: want me to say, You're gonna have a slip, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to say the other words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it still sounded pretty nasty, Okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so he can't even get a fu hawk
Speaker 2: without the cameras, you know, chasing him and taking pictures
Speaker 2: of him. And now he's like spotted embracing that rocker
Speaker 2: look riding around town in a motorcycle. I mean that
Speaker 2: screams midlife crisis all over the place.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen him on a motorcycle before.
Speaker 1: But listen, I don't know anything about him. He does
Speaker 1: like a bicycle, so now, yeah, he threw a motor on.
Speaker 1: Now he made it electrical. Yeah, so yeah, and he
Speaker 1: has the black leather jacket to go with it.
Speaker 2: The skinny jeans. By the way, bro, skinny jeans are
Speaker 2: installed anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, he's like a simple guy from Boston.
Speaker 2: That's not you know, Okay, So it's okay. I think
Speaker 2: that we always for Justinians.
Speaker 1: Bostonians, they're like they're super gringo, or they're they're very waspy,
Speaker 1: or they're very very like.
Speaker 2: Well, he's never had a sense of fashion.
Speaker 1: He's like a simple dude. He likes his beer, he
Speaker 1: likes his dude, he likes his friends. He just has
Speaker 1: a really glamorous job. But he doesn't fit the profile
Speaker 1: of a movie star.
Speaker 2: He's just okay, you know what profile if he fits what?
Speaker 2: Midlife crisis? Oh yeah, midlife crisis. You know, he's being
Speaker 2: super impulsive. He's having poor judgment in my.
Speaker 1: So tell me why you think he's having poor judgment.
Speaker 2: I think his whole behavior in the last couple of
Speaker 2: months shows his poor judgment, you know, as far as
Speaker 2: taking his belongings out of the house when Jalo left
Speaker 2: and she was in Europe, kind of like doing it
Speaker 2: behind her back.
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe she said I'm gonna if you're I
Speaker 1: don't want to be there when you move out, and
Speaker 1: she left, you know I would do that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be I don't think it's like that,
Speaker 2: but it's okay, you can go with that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know. I mean, we don't know
Speaker 2: about Megan either. We don't know about any of these
Speaker 2: people were talking about me. I mean, we just can't
Speaker 2: like assume or speculate like a lot of people are
Speaker 2: doing and then go by what the sources are saying.
Speaker 2: And you should eat the sources. We know who they are.
Speaker 2: They're the people around you that are in your everyday lives,
Speaker 2: that are listening, are watching and all these things. So
Speaker 2: and I think he's being super And the last thing
Speaker 2: he did was buy a twenty million dollar home on
Speaker 2: the day of her birthday.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So that's impulsive. You just don't go buy that's a
Speaker 2: a super super impulsive act that you just go buy
Speaker 2: a house for twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Well maybe he needed a write off.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you could be funny and you can
Speaker 2: say all the stuff that you want. He didn't need
Speaker 2: a rite off. You know what. He still has a
Speaker 2: sixty eight million dollar home that he and j Lowe
Speaker 2: bought together.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think all of his behaviors and this kind
Speaker 2: of like seals the deal where he's being he's going
Speaker 2: through a crisis, and that's okay. He's I tirty nine
Speaker 2: years old to fifty to No, sorry, he's fifty one.
Speaker 2: He's fifty one, so it's it goes with his age.
Speaker 1: A divorce is a crisis though, what I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we all do, we all get that, and you know,
Speaker 1: just I don't know what it is or something about
Speaker 1: that new taste of freedom that just kind of makes
Speaker 1: you do all sorts of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: It's a but I feel like a lot of men
Speaker 2: that do make these impulse decisions end up regretting it
Speaker 2: at the end. You know, I think that they're so
Speaker 2: unhappy with their with their state of mind and with
Speaker 2: their lives at that moment that they just want to
Speaker 2: get out. You know, they're just very unhappy, and then
Speaker 2: they want to attribute everything to their marriage or to
Speaker 2: their person that's next to them, when in reality, it's them.
Speaker 2: You know, it's something like hormonal that the man goes through.
Speaker 2: I don't even know like what it is, you know,
Speaker 2: I know for women also go through the mid life crisis,
Speaker 2: but I feel like we obviously go through it differently
Speaker 2: towards like when we reach menopause. You know, ours is
Speaker 2: more like physical mental, and I feel like we think
Speaker 2: things over more than men do.
Speaker 1: So what it looks like is to me, from what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is he just wants to be young and
Speaker 1: free and unattached to any kind of responsibilities of the
Speaker 1: life he had before, aside from being a father.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I mean a lot of times too, men
Speaker 2: go through these things when it's like the emptiness syntrome,
Speaker 2: you know, when their children leave. You know, I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of couples and marriages once their children leave,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like they start focusing on themselves. And
Speaker 2: it's also a very scary age. I mean, we're in
Speaker 2: our fifties and the truth is that it happens to
Speaker 2: both men and women, and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and I start thinking of mortality. You know, like before,
Speaker 2: like in my thirties and forties, I always thought I
Speaker 2: was going to be young forever, and I felt it inside.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm never gonna get old.
Speaker 2: But once you're in, you're.
Speaker 1: Never gonna look old or get Yeah, you never think
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a rinkle or a line.
Speaker 2: I wasn't so much to that. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 2: really care so much about the physical because I don't
Speaker 2: care how good we look. It's internal, at least for
Speaker 2: me it is. So it's kind of like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like I have you know, maybe like another good ten
Speaker 2: or fifteen years. And unfortunately, sometimes you think, you know,
Speaker 2: you want to blame the person next to you because
Speaker 2: it's the easiest thing. It's like a scapegoat, like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm not really happy with my life. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's you and you know, and people don't
Speaker 2: self reflect and say, you know what, it's me, because
Speaker 2: guess what, be's not that perfect. But what happens with
Speaker 2: men is that they're not vulnerable, like they're not honest
Speaker 2: with themselves and they're not honest with the person. So
Speaker 2: you know, whereas women like we have friends and you
Speaker 2: talk it out with your friends. You have so many friends,
Speaker 2: and then we all start sharing other women like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I want to do the same thing. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, my husband. So we kind of like share
Speaker 2: things and we have a lot of friends. Women have
Speaker 2: more like of a closed circle, and they're kind of
Speaker 2: like embarrassed. Like for them, it's like a sign of weakness. Yeah,
Speaker 2: some some, yes, some, I mean I've some and all
Speaker 2: of my friends that have been married or whatnot, most
Speaker 2: of the men have gone through mid life crisis. It's
Speaker 2: something normal. But I feel like the rich guys and
Speaker 2: the ones that already have everything, you know, it's easier
Speaker 2: for them to make that decision or selfish people and say,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's about me now, Like you know,
Speaker 2: why am I going to sit here and you know,
Speaker 2: make all these sacrifices when I've done it all and
Speaker 2: I have like another good ten years and I just
Speaker 2: want to like live my life.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I definitely certainly think now in terms
Speaker 1: of how much is left to my life at this
Speaker 1: point in my life, Like, so what have I got? Yeah, ten, fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty years? Yeah it's for me now, Yeah, it's about me. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's always been about me. But right, I
Speaker 1: don't have you. Right, I didn't have kids, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of what what was my parents? And then
Speaker 1: it was me and me and then more may and
Speaker 1: still me and it will be me moving forward and
Speaker 1: my husband and my step kids.
Speaker 2: But they have their own mother and men. I feel
Speaker 2: like the men, you know, their role usually is more
Speaker 2: of being like the provider. They have so much responsibility.
Speaker 2: So then when finally the children, you know, they've given
Speaker 2: up all these years, I don't see it as giving
Speaker 2: up or sacrificing, because that's your part as a father
Speaker 2: or as a mother, your role. They need their own time,
Speaker 2: but they leave so they have like all this time now,
Speaker 2: all this freedom, so you know, and the first thing
Speaker 2: that men usually do is, you know, get in shape,
Speaker 2: lose weight, and they will yeah, but I mean in
Speaker 2: his case, he's not doing it, and he's you should
Speaker 2: work out a little bit more because I know Jalo
Speaker 2: works out. You should take care a little bit more
Speaker 2: like the donuts. I think, Yeah, I mean he doesn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, he keeps in shape pretty much, he's not
Speaker 2: working out.
Speaker 1: He's cute, he looks good.
Speaker 2: But you know, they color their hair, A lot a
Speaker 2: lot of the men's either hair.
Speaker 1: If he asked me out and I was saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like.
Speaker 2: Because you know, I don't like him. I think she's
Speaker 2: way better than him. I think by the way you
Speaker 2: put on top of the midlife crisis, the personality styles.
Speaker 1: But they're totally different. They should have never been together.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, she had to get her cocain, so
Speaker 2: she had to get her man back because after twenty years,
Speaker 2: it was something. It's like the one that she wanted
Speaker 2: when they got away, the one that got away. So
Speaker 2: she had the opportunity to get him back, and she did.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I believe, and I really do
Speaker 2: think that she's super in love with him. And the
Speaker 2: reason why she shared all that is because she wanted to.
Speaker 2: You know, I guess she's never been in love like
Speaker 2: she's been in love with Ben. Oh, yeah, that happens too.
Speaker 1: I think that he will always be the one that
Speaker 1: got away because he got away again. She doesn't like that.
Speaker 2: Nobody would like that when you're super in love. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't care how tough you try to be. And
Speaker 2: I don't care that you're j Lo, because when you're
Speaker 2: really in love and love exists. She she's not fit,
Speaker 2: you know, she's not doing good. She's hurt. I mean,
Speaker 2: she's in pain, you know. And I think that it's
Speaker 2: going to be really, really difficult for her because she
Speaker 2: really had hope. You know. That's the other thing too,
Speaker 2: you know, she lived with that hope and she thought
Speaker 2: maybe by you know, separating for a little bit during
Speaker 2: the summer, that they were going to come back together
Speaker 2: and stronger. She was giving him the space, which is
Speaker 2: smart because when men are going through through these kind
Speaker 2: of things, you have to support it. You have to
Speaker 2: be understanding, you have to be empathetic. I mean doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I mean, it doesn't mean that they can on you, right,
Speaker 2: because that's another thing that sometimes they do when they're
Speaker 2: going through these things because they want somebody younger to
Speaker 2: tell them how great they are and how good they
Speaker 2: are and make them feel good again.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he's like, I got to get out
Speaker 1: of here. I need a break, and he was the
Speaker 1: one that was like, I'm moving out, and then she
Speaker 1: decided to take a vacation. That's what I think.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously we all know that it's not what you think.
Speaker 2: They've said it before too, they said before that he
Speaker 2: was the one that initiated all this because he wasn't happy.
Speaker 2: And then of course everybody has an opinion, and they're
Speaker 2: saying it's because the documentary that she made, or because
Speaker 2: of the P Diddy videos that are coming out now,
Speaker 2: or the evidence, so everybody has something to do.
Speaker 1: We're going to see those. I hope I never seen them,
Speaker 1: because I don't wish her any bad. No, I don't
Speaker 1: mean about her. I want to see what all this
Speaker 1: craziness that's so ugly and dirty.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to know.
Speaker 2: But anyways, so, but again, you know, speaking of him,
Speaker 2: I think it's a real thing, you know, the midlife
Speaker 2: crisis that men go through and at the end, I
Speaker 2: always find that the easiest thing for them to do
Speaker 2: is to escape. And usually these men have certain personality
Speaker 2: styles that they don't really open up. And they told
Speaker 2: their partner what's going on, you know, and it's just
Speaker 2: easier to blame. Oh, it's Jlo's fame. No, my love,
Speaker 2: you met Jalo being Jalo, she wasn't even the Jlo
Speaker 2: she is today, and you fell in love with that,
Speaker 2: and then now twenty years later, she's even more famous,
Speaker 2: she has you know, more work, and now it all
Speaker 2: of a sudden it bothers him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you know what, it's him.
Speaker 2: It's he's the problem. He's the problem. He's going through
Speaker 2: a crisis.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. We know it was a
Speaker 1: PR spin.
Speaker 2: Stop stop with the nonsense. Well that stupid. Not even
Speaker 2: read that. It's not gonna Marisol. It's not a PR style.
Speaker 1: Believe it.
Speaker 2: Nobody believes it. I've never read that. Again. Nobody is
Speaker 2: going to put their life on hold and be in
Speaker 2: the media every single day with all the hateful comments
Speaker 2: and their families involved, they have children involved. That's just stupid.
Speaker 1: And think he thought it was going to go so wrong.
Speaker 2: Have you been with any men that have done mid life,
Speaker 2: that have had midlife?
Speaker 1: Yes, and you were there for it. Like most things
Speaker 1: in my life, you were there. Yeah. Which one my
Speaker 1: ex turned fifty one and was all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I feel like I need more hair.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have a you have a ton of hair.
Speaker 1: Why do you want to get more hair?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, Well, there's this robotic arm thing and it puts
Speaker 1: the implants. It pulls him in the back of the
Speaker 1: head to the front. It's not like the old days
Speaker 1: where they cut your brain open, like your skull open
Speaker 1: and sew everything and it looks horrible. And I said, listen,
Speaker 1: whatever you want, I don't think you need it.
Speaker 2: Whatever you want, don't need a microphone.
Speaker 1: I talked, I talked, I drove him there, I babysatam my,
Speaker 1: you know, bandagees, wounded head and his hair, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I want to do my eyes
Speaker 1: and my and I was like, I don't think you
Speaker 1: need any of that. You look great, like you really
Speaker 1: don't need that. I like you just the way you are. Okay,
Speaker 1: Fast forward six hour facelift. Yeah, hello, Marisol was the
Speaker 1: nurse baby like you.
Speaker 2: Were making him looking for somebody else.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, I didn't think that. He kept saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I need to be competitive at work, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can understand that. That's fine. Okay, fast forward everybody.
Speaker 1: Five months later, he's like, you know what, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move out with my new face and my
Speaker 1: face and my hair and my new egg that I
Speaker 1: had surgically implant it and then you need and took
Speaker 1: care of. Yeah that sucks, my friend, Yeah it sucks.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, a girlfriend of mine
Speaker 1: calls me. She's like, you know, so and so is
Speaker 1: on bumble and he went out with someone that works
Speaker 1: for me. And I said, what why would he be
Speaker 1: on an app? He's a good looking dude, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to like you know, and he works in a
Speaker 1: business race meeting single people all the time. That makes
Speaker 1: no sense.
Speaker 2: He just wanted somebody to feed his ego. That's what
Speaker 2: happens in the mad life crisis. That's they go looking
Speaker 2: for that. They go needing for adventure, something to talk
Speaker 2: to exactly.
Speaker 1: He's a new.
Speaker 2: Supply, he needed new new people.
Speaker 1: Well, he was also a narcissist, so he liked people
Speaker 1: to listen to his story and they tell him he
Speaker 1: was right and how horrible everybody in his life has
Speaker 1: been to him and blah blah blah. Yeah, and to
Speaker 1: this day, how long has it been six years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still has never had a girlfriend. It's become the
Speaker 1: town fluy.
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean about poor judgment, because you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes these men that go through these crisis, mid life crisis,
Speaker 2: they leave and you blame everything that their unhappiness on
Speaker 2: the woman or on their marriage. When they are unhappy themselves,
Speaker 2: they need to fix themselves. It's a lot your partner
Speaker 2: that's making you unhappy. It's not you know, the fame,
Speaker 2: it's not this, it's not the other, it's it's themselves.
Speaker 2: So they need to go work on themselves.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. That's true. Listen. Maybe Ben's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy that you shouldn't even have a partner,
Speaker 1: you know, Listen, he should maybe be alone.
Speaker 2: The first time when he divorced Jennifer Gardner, he went
Speaker 2: and he got this huge tattoo of a phoenix on
Speaker 2: his back. Oh really yeah, so that was he was
Speaker 2: going through his mid life crisis, and he as soon
Speaker 2: as they got divorced, he got this big tattoo. And
Speaker 2: now I have a new love for tattoos because they
Speaker 2: do have a lot of symbolism. I love tattoos and
Speaker 2: thing that. Well, when it's something like that, I totally
Speaker 2: support it. Not just for fun, just getting like something
Speaker 2: stupid on your body. But in that case, it meant
Speaker 2: a lot for him, So I you know.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna get one right across his forehead. That's
Speaker 1: his freedom, just saying.
Speaker 2: She should get that. Oh yeah, this guy is hard
Speaker 2: to live with, can't you see me? He always looks
Speaker 2: like angry, he always looks unhappy. He really needs to
Speaker 2: go fix himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a dude.
Speaker 2: You know. Well, your dude isn't like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's not Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Steve's more europe He's very European, and he's more like
Speaker 1: Jean de Vive and you know, he's a totally different personality.
Speaker 1: What happens, It feeds my soul.
Speaker 2: When they're going through this that they get frustrated, frustrated,
Speaker 2: it gets very irritable, and then they just blame everything
Speaker 2: and their own happiness, you know, on their curtain situation.
Speaker 2: So what do they do. They go looking for a
Speaker 2: new situation, and by the way, they get themselves in
Speaker 2: more trouble because how can somebody like that be ready
Speaker 2: to move on either into another relationship or to do
Speaker 2: like crazy stuff. And that's what I meant about poor judgment.
Speaker 1: People do it all the time. We always think that,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe if I'm with somebody else, I'll feel
Speaker 1: better and put a band aid on it. And it's
Speaker 1: usually the worst move you can do. You really do
Speaker 1: need to heal, and we've talked about that. The time
Speaker 1: you spend healing yourself makes you better and open to
Speaker 1: attract the right person and have a healthy relationship. I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, find my final thoughts on that because tell
Speaker 2: me so well. The odd thing about a mid life
Speaker 2: crisis is that is so painfully predictable. It's you can
Speaker 2: see it right, you can see it, and sometimes we
Speaker 2: just rather not see it and say kind of like
Speaker 2: brush it off and say, well, you know, all the
Speaker 2: signs are there, but you kind of don't want to
Speaker 2: see it, and you make excuses until you're actually going
Speaker 2: through it. And all the confusion, lamenting and fear of
Speaker 2: regrets were going to happen either way. Think about that,
Speaker 2: All those things were going to happen either way. Regardless
Speaker 2: of what paths we choose in life. There will always
Speaker 2: be regrets for some of us because we can't simultaneous
Speaker 2: live every life. You know, it's kind of like you
Speaker 2: want to live other people's life everybody, and you are
Speaker 2: want to live your life. You have to choose your path.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody expresses themselves differently. Some people have to
Speaker 1: vent to a million people and then they do whatever
Speaker 1: they want anyway. Some people have to have, you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred hours of therapy every week. Some people have
Speaker 1: to get take pills and drink alcohol.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Everybody has a different way of dealing with these situations.
Speaker 1: And I guess Ben's well, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot too, because a lot of the men
Speaker 2: that are going through middle life crisis also turned to
Speaker 2: like alcohol and partying ways and all that. And I
Speaker 2: pray that Ben doesn't that doesn't happen to Ben. Oh God, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because I only wish him, you know, the best,
Speaker 2: and of course I would never want that, you know,
Speaker 2: to happen again. So hopefully he'll keep on focusing on
Speaker 2: being a good father and on his movie roles and producing,
Speaker 2: and he'll find peace within himself, because I believe that
Speaker 2: men lose their peace.
Speaker 1: Real is she the best band? Somebody else may or
Speaker 1: may not be joining only fans because Tory Spelling has
Speaker 1: been joking about joining only fans because god, it's only
Speaker 1: a joke, right, She's got to pay for a children's college.
Speaker 1: But listen, it's no joke. People are making a lot
Speaker 1: of money doing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's no joke that we're talking about this.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty embarrassing for a mother of five,
Speaker 2: five kids to be saying that she's gonna join only
Speaker 2: fans to pay for her children's her tuition.
Speaker 1: Her husband is a dead beat. Okay, he's a dead beat.
Speaker 1: Well what about her? And her mother cut her off completely?
Speaker 1: She and her mother was the one that told her,
Speaker 1: don't marry that dude and then don't have children. But
Speaker 1: she had one, not two, and not three, and not four,
Speaker 1: but five kids with him, and he cheated on her
Speaker 1: and kept cheating on her, and she kept having kids
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: See would I have her problem? Okay, I get it
Speaker 2: that Tory's mom doesn't have a good relationship with her,
Speaker 2: and that's her daughter, but these are her grandchildren. And
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe you don't want to give them, like,
Speaker 2: you know, a big house and cars and luxury items,
Speaker 2: but an education is something basic. And if I had
Speaker 2: the money they did and the kids really wanted to
Speaker 2: go to school, I mean, because there's some kids that
Speaker 2: just go to college for fun and you know, not
Speaker 2: to do anything else. But if I was their grandma
Speaker 2: in that position, I will say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: going to take care of the kids that really take
Speaker 2: school serious and want a career. I'm going to support that,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to pay for that, and you don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about that. But you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: in their situation. I don't know exactly I mean it.
Speaker 2: I'll go because it's very weird that a grandmother doesn't
Speaker 2: want to pay for.
Speaker 1: Well, Tory historically it's just done absolutely everything that her
Speaker 1: mother didn't want her to agree.
Speaker 2: With that, but these are their grandchildren, you know, so
Speaker 2: you shouldn't take it out on your grandchildren.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the old lady stubborn. What can I
Speaker 1: tell you? She is and so is Tory, and she's
Speaker 1: punishing and I guess she wants her I guess her
Speaker 1: dying breath will be you should have listened to me,
Speaker 1: and you should have done what I said, because this
Speaker 1: all could have been yours.
Speaker 2: Well, it'll be interesting to see if she does change
Speaker 2: things around when she's in that situation of her passing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, and I don't know much
Speaker 2: about them, but I know that she'll do. You know,
Speaker 2: she's saying and teasing that she'll do anything to pay
Speaker 2: for her her kid's tuition, And it's just very embarrassing
Speaker 2: that that's the kind of example that you're trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, show your kids, like, you know what, take
Speaker 2: the easy way out there. Kids are going to go like, wait,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to go to college, and I'll
Speaker 2: just go up. I'll do my own only fans, right,
Speaker 2: you take the shortcut, honestly, So I just think everything's
Speaker 2: wrong about it. I wouldn't even joke about it. I
Speaker 2: think it's embarrassing. I think it's shameful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it depends on what you're doing, because
Speaker 1: I don't know. So we have a list here of
Speaker 1: celebrities that is huge, the amount of money that people
Speaker 1: are making, so it's quite tempting. I mean, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this list thinking, why am I going back on
Speaker 1: a house while show? Why don't I just put on
Speaker 1: some lingerie for OnlyFans? But but then, ill, you don't
Speaker 1: even want to show your boops. That's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't even show your hooops. Well, what
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Run around a turtleneck and a
Speaker 1: g string?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that might be a look, that's market, that's
Speaker 2: a market. Well, let's try you want to try it.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna video me?
Speaker 2: I can be your content creator.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of maybe just washing fruit with my
Speaker 1: feet because there's like a whole footy but is very delicious,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that we can do. But no, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know how much of it is true.
Speaker 1: But again, I even what about the money, So you're
Speaker 1: really teaching your kids just like no morals or values.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just easier to go on OnlyFans
Speaker 1: and show your papaya and show your you know, whatever
Speaker 1: it is you need to show you Like, for me,
Speaker 1: that's a prostitution.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you know how I've always felt about OnlyFans, right right,
Speaker 2: And I'm.
Speaker 1: Just like okay with it.
Speaker 2: You know, I would do anything possible, any any other
Speaker 2: job besides like selling myself, you know, and like to me,
Speaker 2: that's you may selling your body, like you're trying to
Speaker 2: sell your naked your naked body or anything sexual. Like
Speaker 2: I want to show you my boob if I want
Speaker 2: to show you my boob, like look at my boob,
Speaker 2: but I don't expect you to pay me to show
Speaker 2: you my boob.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you would show your boob, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to be.
Speaker 2: But not on only fans. I'm just saying it's not
Speaker 2: like I'm so so prude. I'm not saying like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, no, like I would never be on lingerie.
Speaker 2: I'm in front of lingerie whoever I want to be.
Speaker 2: You want, there's a transaction. That's okay, Okay. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to clear it up for the listeners. But then
Speaker 2: people will say, well, it's different because you know on Instagram,
Speaker 2: you know all the girls like pos and bikinis, and
Speaker 2: you know it's like the same thing. I'm not. I
Speaker 2: have never gone on only fans or been on so
Speaker 2: I don't know how much they show. I mean, I
Speaker 2: do know there's some celebrities that are on it, like
Speaker 2: Cardi B that this shows no nudity, Ziggy and and
Speaker 2: Bella Thorne, so I know that Cardi really uses this platform.
Speaker 1: Bella Thorne has racy content okay, but not nudity. There
Speaker 1: is uh a girl Miya Khalifa that one shows nudes. Yes,
Speaker 1: she is an adult film starng she had six million
Speaker 1: dollars a month. That's porn.
Speaker 2: We have only fans is porn listen in that case,
Speaker 2: she's getting six million dollars.
Speaker 1: What do you think for sa toes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, are you kidding me? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Alexia for six million dollars a month, I might put
Speaker 1: on a brazier and even show a nipple.
Speaker 2: No, I won't. You might.
Speaker 1: We have to rethink this. I don't how many kids
Speaker 1: I can do that.
Speaker 2: You can do it? Listen, I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: wants to listen. That's why God gave me kids to
Speaker 2: keep from making mistakes like that. No from no for real,
Speaker 2: because I always put myself in that situation. Your life
Speaker 2: is a lot different when you don't have children. But
Speaker 2: what example is Tory spelling, you know, setting for five children?
Speaker 2: She's boys and girls. Yeah, that's right, So it changes everything.
Speaker 1: So you know, if she does that, Candy's not not
Speaker 1: only not going to give her money, She's never even.
Speaker 2: Gonna talk to her again. Forget it, right? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean but not even not. I like, I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: care so much about mom. It's kind of like what
Speaker 2: makes you feel good and bad? And her mom's got
Speaker 2: the money. See. I like how Cardi uses it. By
Speaker 2: the way, besides that, I'm a Cardi b fan. I
Speaker 2: like how Cardi uses it, because it's pretty much she
Speaker 2: communicates them more with her audience, with her fans. You know,
Speaker 2: she clears things up because they talk a lot of
Speaker 2: shit about Cardi. So she uses it to say whatever
Speaker 2: she wants, to clear up the rumors and just to
Speaker 2: have like that connection. And people love her. People are
Speaker 2: obsessed with her.
Speaker 1: I mean they must love her because she's making nine
Speaker 1: point five million dollars a month clearing up gossip. Good
Speaker 1: for her, that's what we can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, that's probably my niche because I
Speaker 2: need to clear a lot of shit up that I can't.
Speaker 1: Waited to anyway, we take gossip for ourselves and then
Speaker 1: go clear up.
Speaker 2: Hey, Cardi, do you need a co host?
Speaker 1: See everybody's host? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so you see. I like how Cardi uses it,
Speaker 2: and then tell me Ki Musk.
Speaker 1: Coco Austin makes a nine million dollars a month. That's ice,
Speaker 1: the one that's ice. I see, bro. She goes to
Speaker 1: everywhere cover with her boobies. It's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for her changes nothing, just making nine million
Speaker 2: a month. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow. I want to know how much the owners of
Speaker 1: OnlyFans have make because that's the money I want to
Speaker 1: be talking about. I mean, it's kind of like, think
Speaker 1: about it, it's kind of like soft porn. And even
Speaker 1: like there's i mean, Instagram is getting.
Speaker 2: Really like racy, like uh huh sexy, like a little
Speaker 2: bit too much as well, So it's kind of like
Speaker 2: soft porn. Like these guys talk about midlife crisis. Do
Speaker 2: you blame them they're going through middle life crisis because
Speaker 2: I mean they go on their Instagram and they're like,
Speaker 2: by the way, I have midlife crisis.
Speaker 1: Well, somebody's paying these girls. It must be all those guys.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 2: It's like they want another life because they're like exposed
Speaker 2: to it on the phone all day long seeing this.
Speaker 2: Oh wait I can have this?
Speaker 1: Yeah god, this is really good money. Bella Thorne eleven
Speaker 1: million a month.
Speaker 2: Isn't Bella Thorne like a very renown actress? She is.
Speaker 2: She's like kind a bunch of shows.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but she's got racy contact.
Speaker 2: The owner's worth two billion.
Speaker 1: That's just so poor than Jo doesn't make sense if
Speaker 1: people are making nine to eleven million off of him.
Speaker 1: You know those numbers are incorrect, They're all manipulated. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like these numbers are inflated. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. No, I mean for some.
Speaker 2: People, you know, it could, But I think you have
Speaker 2: to have something different right than everybody else because how
Speaker 2: many asses and how many tips, Like, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, they're all the same.
Speaker 1: Okay, So wait, I want to know, has there ever
Speaker 1: been a time in your life that you took a
Speaker 1: job probably something you wouldn't have normally taken to sport
Speaker 1: you or your children. No, me either.
Speaker 2: You know, I was a school teacher. I was a
Speaker 2: single mom. I got to do all that. What I
Speaker 2: would do to make extra money on the side, I
Speaker 2: would tutor. I would tutor, I would work in the summers,
Speaker 2: summer school. You know, I got my masters, I would
Speaker 2: get paid more because I was in a curtical shortage
Speaker 2: area of exceptional education. So you know, I did all
Speaker 2: those things, you know, And I was looking into like pharmaceutical.
Speaker 1: Sales, you know. Yeah, that was the jam back in
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: And I had just gotten hired, you know, so it
Speaker 2: was like and I also was looking to get certified
Speaker 2: in leadership so I can be an administrator and be
Speaker 2: a principal. So there's so many options. You know that
Speaker 2: you can do. So nothing like like this ever came. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, I didn't exist. I can't imagine got it,
Speaker 2: did it?
Speaker 1: It was a principle? Why not so good?
Speaker 2: Well, I know I'm a leader, you know, I like
Speaker 2: un that school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually I can, but like it's it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I never saw a principle that looked like you,
Speaker 1: so that would be weird. First, everyone would be in love.
Speaker 1: I love my principle, which by the way, nobody ever says, yeah,
Speaker 1: my principle.
Speaker 2: So but I really do like love students, like I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I like, there were so many things
Speaker 2: that I would that you could do, you know, and
Speaker 2: not this. This is the easy way out. This is
Speaker 2: the wrong message that they're showing young girls and boys.
Speaker 2: It's just like easy money and it just goes against
Speaker 2: all my morals and principles.
Speaker 1: And that's just me.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but listen, I respect that for people
Speaker 2: that it works for.
Speaker 1: And I feel like now that there's so many celebrities
Speaker 1: on the site that it doesn't feel the celebrities. Can
Speaker 1: you name them, Denise Richards, Well, we just named a bunch. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're making a lot of money when it was just
Speaker 1: regular people and it was a lot of Marisol. How
Speaker 1: many people are in this world? Okay, you named five celebrities. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's nothing. Okay, is Jennifer Aison on that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Cole Kidman there?
Speaker 1: No, is Blake Lively there?
Speaker 2: No? I mean, who are the people you're mentioning?
Speaker 1: A lot of money?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, solved and you know what they can
Speaker 2: do another TV roles.
Speaker 1: It's starting to get a little more normalized now that
Speaker 1: a lot of For me.
Speaker 2: It's never going to be. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of things that are normalized in throughout the world right now,
Speaker 2: society that are not knowing my life.
Speaker 1: Saying that doing porn on there and being naked is cool, but.
Speaker 2: They're getting paid that bait. So they're gett paid that
Speaker 2: million dollars or less.
Speaker 1: Other things people do on there and they make money
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean they make it a million a month.
Speaker 1: But it's getting a little more, you know, engrowth ingratiated
Speaker 1: in our culture. More people are.
Speaker 2: Doing this and they know what sells shocking. Nobody cares
Speaker 2: about a cookie show and OnlyFans. You know, what people
Speaker 2: care about tits, ass and sex. That's what people care about.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just like a big note for me. It's getting you,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, seems to be really intrigued by
Speaker 2: it and.
Speaker 1: Really talk about those kind of numbers.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd rather have less money and just
Speaker 2: you know, feel good about myself.
Speaker 1: I would never do anything that didn't make me feel good,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I'd have to be able to lay
Speaker 1: my head down.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that if a turtleneck is what
Speaker 2: makes you feel good and not showing your boobs, I
Speaker 2: don't think you would be like a candidate.
Speaker 1: For this month. Maybe like a turtleneck and like tights,
Speaker 1: nobody's going to pay you that million dollars. And I
Speaker 1: do like stretching. Stretching your life. Not flexible, did you?
Speaker 1: I'm super flexible. I'm not athletic, but you could be flexible.
Speaker 1: Not athletic, extremely flexible. I'm I don't just splits, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't just splits. But do you not remember fran
Speaker 1: Carlton from the seventies that she's very funny. No, she
Speaker 1: wasn't funny. She was like she did. She wore a
Speaker 1: unitard and tights with the flower background and did stretching
Speaker 1: on television Channel two.
Speaker 2: Well maybe you can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, your own can listen. There's a market for everything,
Speaker 1: my friend, there really is. Yeah, you know, I wish
Speaker 1: you well, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I help you give me a percent marketing from your
Speaker 2: encouragement my career. I actually liked that idea because, you
Speaker 2: know what, everybody loves a comeback, So I feel like
Speaker 2: that could work. Eighties inspired you know, you're very disco.
Speaker 2: Seventies you're very disco.
Speaker 1: I love all that show.
Speaker 2: You know, you can have your yeah, working out with
Speaker 2: working out with you doing the stretching, don't wear a
Speaker 2: pany the want of the tights without that panny, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you have to give them something. If you want
Speaker 2: to make a nine million you want to go tights.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I can get some of those Bianca and
Speaker 1: Sorry outfits Kanye's Beyonce girlfriend wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's more twenty twenty four, right, take the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, the tights and like a see through turnal
Speaker 2: neckt Yeah, and the headband. Don't forget the head band.
Speaker 1: You gotta wear the head the glitter headband.
Speaker 2: It's all about that. There was a Telegram ceo sperm
Speaker 2: donor that has over one hundred kids.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah he beat Tory. Think maybe Tory
Speaker 1: should talk to him? Yeah maybe, yeah, Tory, we need
Speaker 1: to make this introduction. You need to meet the Russian
Speaker 1: origin CEO of Telegram. He's claimed that he has over
Speaker 1: one hundred biological kids. He can thank his lucky star
Speaker 1: as he doesn't need Candy Spellings money because she'd be
Speaker 1: giving him a penny.
Speaker 2: His name is Pavel d. He's the co founder and
Speaker 2: CEO of Telegram. He claimed that he has over one
Speaker 2: hundred biological kids in twelve countries. Wo assassinatings. Not about
Speaker 2: spreading your seed, he says, I was just told that
Speaker 2: I have over one hundred biological kids. How is this
Speaker 2: possible for a guy who has never been married and
Speaker 2: prefers to live alone. He then added how it all
Speaker 2: started so fifteen years ago a friend of mine approached
Speaker 2: me with a weird request. He said that he and
Speaker 2: his wife couldn't have kids due to a fertility issue
Speaker 2: and asked me to donate sperm at a clinic for
Speaker 2: them to have a baby. I laughed my ass off
Speaker 2: before realizing that he was dead serious. When he visited
Speaker 2: the clinic to donate sperm, he was informed that he
Speaker 2: was high quality donor material that his donation can help
Speaker 2: couples across the world. That sounded crazy enough to get
Speaker 2: me to sign up for that sperm donation. Yea god complex.
Speaker 2: So the raw intends to open source his DNA so
Speaker 2: that his kids can find each other easily. Of course
Speaker 2: they're a risk, but I don't regret having been a donor.
Speaker 2: This shortage of healthy sperm has become an increasingly serious
Speaker 2: issue worldwide, and I am proud that I can be
Speaker 2: part of it to help alleviate it. So one of
Speaker 2: the questions is this isn't narcissistic to donate this much
Speaker 2: because he was told that he has high quality sperm.
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that he believed that he had high
Speaker 1: quality sperm and he decided to make a hundred babies,
Speaker 1: I think he's a bit of a narcissist and as
Speaker 1: a god complex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what he thinks he has like the super
Speaker 2: sperm that the whole world I think, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, what's high quality sperm?
Speaker 1: Well, they probably needed sperm and they make a lot
Speaker 1: of money off of it, and they're like yours is
Speaker 1: really fabulous. I saw him from a mile away. And
Speaker 1: then now there's one hundred babies out there. Well, I
Speaker 1: know that it's a business, and I know, yeah, people
Speaker 1: do it because they do get paid for this. But
Speaker 1: in this case, this guy's a billionaire. So he just
Speaker 1: says that he's just doing it to like alleviate, you know,
Speaker 1: the families, and he wants to the stigmatized sperm donation.
Speaker 1: But hadniky overdid it a hundred is a lot?
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's doing the opposite.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean maybe fifteen, but once you
Speaker 1: passed fifteen, even fifteen's a lot, but once you passed fifteen,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: There should be a lot. I mean there should be
Speaker 2: a law that you can only give so many babies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's kind of scary.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that gynecologist that was no he was
Speaker 1: a fertility doctor and all of the women that were
Speaker 1: going to the clinic thought they were getting their husband's sperm,
Speaker 1: and he was impregnating them with his sperm. He ended
Speaker 1: up with a lot of kids too.
Speaker 2: I don't you know, this is like a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then I think he's the same one
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. That was carving his initials on
Speaker 1: people's tummies too. Yeah, there's some weird people out there.
Speaker 2: What would you do if you found out that your
Speaker 2: partner was donating sperm.
Speaker 1: Or that okay, so that he was actively doing it,
Speaker 1: or that he had donated and now there's a child
Speaker 1: that we have to.
Speaker 2: Incorporate questions. I mean, just him actively doing Like if
Speaker 2: you knew that he had high quality sperm count and
Speaker 2: he just wanted like this guy, you know, he wanted
Speaker 2: to just you know, I make tribute to society and
Speaker 2: to the family's college.
Speaker 1: Mayriso would have been like, okay, whatever, I don't know
Speaker 1: off about it. But right now Steve said to me,
Speaker 1: I have like my kids are so awesome, which they are,
Speaker 1: and why not have more out there? I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. And you're staying home,
Speaker 1: you're not going anywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be okay with it at any time in
Speaker 2: my life. I just believe it.
Speaker 1: But if I found out after meeting him that he
Speaker 1: had donated sperm and there was a few children out there, I.
Speaker 2: Would I just don't know. I don't have enough information
Speaker 2: and maybe I should have read about this before. I
Speaker 2: don't know what responsibility or how much is it is there.
Speaker 2: It's like once you donated, I thought my understanding it
Speaker 2: was just over. It was just like, okay, you you donated,
Speaker 2: there was a transaction. You give me your sperm, I
Speaker 2: pay you for it, and then you never follow through.
Speaker 2: You don't know who which family was the one that
Speaker 2: got the sperm. I think that's the way it came
Speaker 2: to life, right, So then how does this this? I
Speaker 2: think sounds like a crazy story to me. I think
Speaker 2: he wants to see his work, you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 2: show me what.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have any rights. He did not know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't know where. I guess since he's opening up this
Speaker 1: DNA thing, maybe it's more for him to for them
Speaker 1: to find him than each other. And as far as
Speaker 1: money and responsibility goes, I think that if you if
Speaker 1: you you want to do any of that, you do
Speaker 1: it because it's a moral responsibility, not because you have to.
Speaker 2: But no, that's not his kid. He gave the sperm.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You can't go to the families and say now I'm
Speaker 2: responsible for your child.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying so he's
Speaker 1: opening up this DNA testing and I think, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, why are we living such crazy time? Because there's
Speaker 2: so many crazy people. I can't.
Speaker 1: I think he's just doing that so that they will
Speaker 1: find him, and they will find each other and then he.
Speaker 2: Can I think he just wants attention. This is another case,
Speaker 2: like nobody knows him. He's another billionaire with a lot
Speaker 2: of money, a lot of time in his hands, and
Speaker 2: a lot of craziness in his head.
Speaker 1: And he wants to see those hundred kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, they're just fine without you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just let them be with their families and whoever.
Speaker 1: You know, would you want to know about the kids if,
Speaker 1: like say tomorrow, you meet someone love of your life now,
Speaker 1: then afterwards he's like, I did this.
Speaker 2: I just found out about it. But you're already together.
Speaker 1: You're in it. This is your guy.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean it doesn't. It wouldn't make a
Speaker 2: difference because, like I said, I think just being a
Speaker 2: sperm donor, you don't have any right unless it's together,
Speaker 2: like for example, like you know, maybe like the same
Speaker 2: sex marriage, you know, or if your eggs aren't good
Speaker 2: or there's sperm isn't good. You know, as long as
Speaker 2: you're involved and there's communication and you're in it together. Yes,
Speaker 2: of course it's your baby and you would want to know.
Speaker 2: But this guy just went to different sperm banks donating
Speaker 2: or donated one and then they've made all these donations.
Speaker 2: But like, I mean, why did you donate your Why
Speaker 2: did you donate your money instead of your storms?
Speaker 1: Can you please do me that favorite donate your money.
Speaker 1: You're not your sperm kill us some we like money.
Speaker 1: We might get on OnlyFans give us some harmula. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's complicated, my friend, it's a lot. Listen, it
Speaker 1: was too much.
Speaker 2: Also were growing up, my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, listen, when there was no internet, we didn't
Speaker 1: know holf the things that were actually going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what, I like the Internet.
Speaker 1: It's good to know.
Speaker 2: I don't like social media, but the Internet up to
Speaker 2: a certain point, and obviously feel different about it, you
Speaker 2: know when the kids are younger. But I think it's
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's a good source.
Speaker 1: So well, let me rephrase that question to you one
Speaker 1: more time, because I feel like you have a different answer.
Speaker 1: And you meet somebody you'll get married with. Him. Then
Speaker 1: years later somebody shows up in his life and says, oh,
Speaker 1: I was the product of a sperm donation you did.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want to get to know that child? Because
Speaker 1: but whose sperm isn't the man.
Speaker 2: I don't have sperm?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not yours, Okay. I mean.
Speaker 2: For him, obviously, if it's going to be important for him, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I would totally support that. And if you would want
Speaker 2: to know, you know, who his child is if he
Speaker 2: donated that sperm. But that's what I'm saying, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know at that point when you donate, I don't
Speaker 2: know what their involvement is. If they just donated and
Speaker 2: the terms and conditions are like, okay, this was a transaction.
Speaker 1: You're never going to know.
Speaker 2: Where if this baby was even conceived. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: God forbid, a lot of things happened, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's how it is at a sperm bank,
Speaker 1: unless a friend says, hey.
Speaker 2: I need your help, right, That's what I'm saying. If
Speaker 2: it's like an agreement like that, you know, I totally
Speaker 2: support that because you know, unfortunately there's a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, couples that can have children naturally. So I
Speaker 2: totally support whatever makes you happy and works for your family.
Speaker 2: I totally support it, But I think this is a
Speaker 2: little crazy for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was excessive Hillis. But I know for
Speaker 1: sure if Steve said to me, hey, you know I
Speaker 1: was in college. Any little extra money, I went to
Speaker 1: a sperm bank, and now you know this child has
Speaker 1: come looking for me, I'm like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: gotta see this. I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 2: I would want no amount of minute. Would that make
Speaker 2: this just lead to right another conversation? So would that
Speaker 2: really make Steve the dad maybe biological half away, but
Speaker 2: I mean, whatever, father. Imagine that happening to a family.
Speaker 2: You know that then the kid wants to know who
Speaker 2: the sperm donator was. But the father is really the father,
Speaker 2: not Steep. It wasn't the donor, like you know, it's
Speaker 2: the father that had the baby with the mom and
Speaker 2: brought up this child and was in the child's life always.
Speaker 2: And now the child that say, turns eighteen and he
Speaker 2: wants to know who the donor was because he has
Speaker 2: obviously the DNA of the donor. It's very confusing and
Speaker 2: it's very complicated, is the question. No, But I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that that makes it weird. I mean, don't you
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I feel like that's so
Speaker 2: offensive and has had for the father.
Speaker 1: It has a lot of dynamics, just like adoption. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's someone's always, you know, getting hurt. But I mean,
Speaker 1: when when you know that you come from something that
Speaker 1: you don't know, you want to know about it.
Speaker 2: I would, right, I don't blame the child, but I
Speaker 2: feel like as long as is there's like some kind
Speaker 2: of understanding and an educational talk where everybody, you know,
Speaker 2: can be in the same page and kind of like
Speaker 2: understand each other. Yeah, okay, so we couldn't have children,
Speaker 2: so we went to a sperm bank and we got
Speaker 2: the sperm. So this is the donor. That's all he did.
Speaker 2: But I was the one that brought you into this world. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know I have another question for you. And I'm
Speaker 2: the one that's taking care of you and raised you.
Speaker 2: You know, father isn't the one that only has you know,
Speaker 2: biological it's the one who raises you and is there
Speaker 2: in your life every single day.
Speaker 1: Right, So, say you had to get a sperm donor.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're really into this, my friend.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just I you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different angles.
Speaker 2: To there is. It's a very there's very complex.
Speaker 1: Agree. So if you had to get a sperm donor
Speaker 1: and you raise, would you tell your child that they
Speaker 1: came from a sperm donor you and your partner had
Speaker 1: to do that?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I feel like I would, unless obviously if they got
Speaker 1: critically ill and you know you needed to because you
Speaker 1: need there you know, you wouldn't be a blood match
Speaker 1: or anything because your DNA is different. Well, mother, you know,
Speaker 1: mother would father would?
Speaker 2: I mean back in the day, So back in the day,
Speaker 2: I know we wouldn't because you know, we're raised different,
Speaker 2: you know, to keep these things away from our children
Speaker 2: because we think it was going to cause them pain.
Speaker 2: So the reason why a lot of our parents didn't
Speaker 2: discuss certain things with us was really to protect us
Speaker 2: because they didn't want us And first of all, also
Speaker 2: you have to have an understanding. So it's very complex.
Speaker 2: It depends would I share this with my kids, maybe,
Speaker 2: knowing what I know today, I probably would because children
Speaker 2: have access to all this information, so I would want
Speaker 2: them to know for me versus somebody else, or versus
Speaker 2: them doing some kind of research. Or them having some doubt.
Speaker 2: So I feel like it's a conversation I would have
Speaker 2: with my husband and the family and maybe try to
Speaker 2: explain it to them as best as we could. And so, yes,
Speaker 2: I would probably have that conversation with them because I
Speaker 2: feel like there's no secrets today. Yeah, kids find everything out,
Speaker 2: and I wanted them to hear from me, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that would change anything. I think they would
Speaker 2: understand that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think if it was twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, I probably wouldn't have said anything. But now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: things are so different now, and it's another thing that's
Speaker 1: become so normalized.
Speaker 2: And then you don't want them to like resent you
Speaker 2: for that or say why didn't you tell us? You know,
Speaker 2: and it's part of life, you know. Not everybody can
Speaker 2: you know, has good sperm to have a baby. Not
Speaker 2: everybody has the eggs. So I think it's just part
Speaker 2: of like educating and communicating, just sitting down and having
Speaker 2: like a real talk.
Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, I don't think I have another question
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you want? You want a spirm donation?
Speaker 2: I think you want to go to one of those
Speaker 2: sperm banks.
Speaker 1: Oh, my days. It's never too late my day, It's
Speaker 1: never too late. I can't help.
Speaker 2: You can have somebody, you can have somebody.
Speaker 1: Oh god, you think I'm gonna have a baby now,
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Speaker 2: I want you to be the baby.
Speaker 1: I want you. Yeah, yeah, you gotta take care of me.
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