1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast well Man Hour number two, Friday Edition, 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: out with us. It has been considering it's the middle 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: of July and a lot of people are on vacation, 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: and it tends to get pretty quiet everywhere between now 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: and Labor Day by and large, and everybody comes back 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: from vacation. It's been I would say, a pretty incredible 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: week for news. And the latest bit of news that 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: we started off the show talking about Buck is the 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: May twenty fourth trial date being set in South Florida, 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: and I want to open up phone lines eight hundred 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: and two eighty two two eight eight two to allow 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: you guys to weigh in what next couple of hours 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: as we roll through the Friday edition of the program. 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: But Buck, in the first hour, I mentioned the only 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: analogous situation that I can think about in any similar 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: way to having a celebrity stand trial while also doing 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: his other job. Right in theory, Trump might well be 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: the Republican nominee for president standing trial for felony charges. 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: There could legitimately be a situation where he is in 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: South Florida at the trial in the day. Then he 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: hops on his plane and he flies to another part 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: of the country and he campaigns as president of the 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: United States in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania, or Georgia or Arizona, 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: all these places that are going to be the quote 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: unquote toss up states. And so the only analogy I 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: can think of. Do you remember this, Kobe Bryant was 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: charged with rape in Eagle, Colorado, and he would go 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: to the criminal trial and he would attend it, and 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: then when the day at court ended, he would get 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: on a private plane fly to Los Angeles and sometimes 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: play for the LA Lakers that night. A lot of 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: people have forgotten that this occurred. This would have been 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: maybe like two thousand and four ish. 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: I need to look up the years. 37 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but in the last twenty years, and 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: people couldn't get over First of all, you could never 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: do that today. You couldn't be an athlete standing trial 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: for rape playing basketball for your team in the evening. 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: I think the media would lose its mind. But think 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: about the big part of the discussion was the amount 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: of mental toughness and energy required to stand trial all day, 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: then get on an airplane, fly somewhere and play a 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: basketball game. Is akin to me buck to what Trump 46 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: would be required to do sit in that courtroom all day. 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: The difference is Kobe Bryant at the time was like 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: twenty seven or twenty eight years old, maybe younger, super 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: highly tuned athlete, probably has energy through the roof Trump, 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: He'll be seventy seven. One thing that I don't think 51 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: people are talking about enough associated with this, I think 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: seventy eight maybe at the time that the trial would 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: be going on. This isn't just a direct attack on 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: our elections by Democrats. It also is a direct attack 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: on Trump because how in the world can you campaign 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: for the most important job in the world when you 57 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: are required to be sitting at a defendant table for 58 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: months at a time during the election year. 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: It's a really ironic switch, isn't it. Because Joe Biden 60 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: was able to become president by choosing to not campaign, 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: and now the Democrats are hoping to keep Joe Biden 62 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: president by stopping Trump from campaigning. That's effectively what we 63 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: see going on here, And the question will be is 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: it The biggest question of all, of course, is will 65 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: it actually work. And I have to say, if they're 66 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: not allowing if they're setting trial dates, this one set 67 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: for May, the one for the documents at mar A Lago, 68 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: and obstruction, it's actually really an obstruction case. 69 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: And I think that's. 70 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: Where legal analysts, including conservative legal analysts, think there's the 71 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: greatest degree of legal jeopardy for Trump. 72 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: Although I'm with you. 73 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: I think that in Florida, you get one Trump voter 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: on that jury and it's gonna say it's just nullification. 75 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: It's going to be this trap. This never should have happened. 76 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I'd say this if I were on that jury, 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't let them convict them, you know. 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: What I mean. 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a surprise to anybody, but I'm 80 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: saying I'd be like, no. 81 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: You could await, you could be in the jury pool almost. 82 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: I mean theoretically, I guess I could actually yeah, yeah, 83 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: So obviously you can't force everybody else to change their minds. 84 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: But I'm saying, you know, all would take is one 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: guy and you can't get it or gal and you 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: can't get a conviction of Trump if they decide they're 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: dug in. 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: If I were in South Florida Buck and I didn't 89 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: have you know, we didn't have our public jobs, right. 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't think my opinions would be any different if 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: I would love. 92 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: To be on like let's say I was in the CIA, still, 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: I would love it. 94 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: To get on that jury. Yeah, I would fight to 95 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: get on that jury, and I would stakes and say 96 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: not guilty for everything and refuse to change my opinion. 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: This is something that aw conservatives because I know we 98 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: don't like to be harassed by the government, and people 99 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: tend to think of jury duty almost with the same 100 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: abiding affection they do dealing with the irs. 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, like just anything but that, like, 102 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: please leave me alone. 103 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: We actually need honest, ethical, constitution and America loving people 104 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: to serve on jurys. I know it's it's easier said 105 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: than done, but especially like if you think about a 106 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny case up in New York, we need somebody 107 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: of common sense who's not going to be brainwashed by 108 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: that prosecution to thinking, yeah, you know what, like let's 109 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: just let's just create a situation where everyone has to 110 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 3: live in constant fear and terror and someone can run 111 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: around threatening to kill people, and if anyone does something 112 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: to stop that they're the bad guy. So so anyway 113 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: back back to the the realities here that Trump faces 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: in this in this election, I wonder also, you know 115 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: how this will affect those people who remember it's fifty 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: percent of the GOP right now, that is according to 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: the national polls that are for Trump. Fifty percent is 118 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 3: for someone else, correct DeSantis, Vivek Hayley. But there'll be 119 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: some consolidation there over time, I think, be as people 120 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: realize that that that you know, one percent that Asa 121 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 3: Hutchinson's pulling, it's not going to two. So there's going 122 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: to be there's going to be some consolidation that occurs. 123 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: And as this gets closer, I think it becomes more 124 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: apparent to people that the single most important thing of 125 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: all here is going to be who can win this thing? 126 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: And that also means that when you're when you're looking 127 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: at these Republican candidates, I think they should all come 128 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: out and say that they would pardon that they would 129 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: we've asked them, but that they would pardon Trump. Because 130 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: this is going to get very real here with the 131 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: j sixth charges coming down as well, you may have 132 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: President Trump. It is possible based on the timelines we 133 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: are seeing, they're going to try to lock him up 134 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: in prison. Yeah, I'm not saying it will happen. I'm 135 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: not saying he'll be convicted. I am saying, though, this 136 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: is not a crazy thing to consider. And I do 137 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: believe overwhelmingly that Democrats, I mean the Democrat approval of 138 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: locking Trump up in a cell in the election year, 139 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: I would wager his ninety five percent, ninety nine percent something, 140 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: you know, basically all of them, And that just shows 141 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: you what the mentality really is now. Trump has said 142 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: that he would still run even if he was in prison, 143 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: and this is going to be the biggest political story 144 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: in some ways, maybe of our lifetimes if this all 145 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: goes down the way that we're expecting it to. I 146 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: don't think anything else could really compare with this. But 147 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: I wonder to your point, to your first point here 148 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: about what this will do to the president. It's hard 149 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: for us all because I think we've realized, no matter 150 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: what the the election interference now has been turned up 151 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: to a point where, you know, what are we supposed 152 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: to do? There is no such thing as it being 153 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: fair to Trump at this point, right, There's no fair 154 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: when when You've got prosecutions, including prosecutions that even honest 155 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: Democrats will say are just total crap. 156 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: They're they're they're rigging the game right now. 157 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: And one of the frustrations I think for a lot 158 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: of people is we can vote, we can rally, you 159 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: can you know, you can donate to your candidate, you 160 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: can donate to Trump, you can rally behind him. None 161 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: of that is going to change any of what we're 162 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: talking about on the legal side. This is the machine 163 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: operating without a care about whether people think it's fair 164 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: or not, and he's their candidate or not. 165 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: On the outside. 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: In fact, if anything, it's happening because of the people 167 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: that would vote for Trump and they want to take 168 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: that option away from them. And I just think that 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: there's a little feeling of both a lot of anger 170 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 3: and then there's a little bit of a feeling of 171 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: helplessness too. It's like, how can this be happening in 172 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: the country right now? How can you have the leading 173 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: Republican presidential contender and a former president and there is 174 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: something you know, I mean, I'll tell you, I would 175 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: say a former Democrat presidents. Like if someone said, oh, 176 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: I saw Bill Clinton and I was shouting at him 177 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: and telling him how awfully they'd be, like, hey, like 178 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: the former president, he's not in power anymore. Like we 179 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 3: should as a society want to have respect for people 180 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: that have held that office, even after they've left the 181 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: office's at some level. I'm not saying you can't criticize them, obviously, 182 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: we criticize them all the time, but we don't want 183 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: to lock them in cells, you know, we don't want 184 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: them to have to be doing public restaurants, yeah, or 185 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, but that's what I mean that there's a 186 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: breakdown in the most basic respect and decorum that these 187 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 3: prosecutions represent. As well, it's debasing us as a country 188 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: that they're doing this to. You know, we're looking at 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: this from the he's running for president's side, but there's 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: also the this is a former president. 191 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: They're doing this too. 192 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: And we used to all understand like, guys, unless someone 193 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: murders somebody or something, I think they're a former president. 194 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: For the benefit of the country, we're going to let 195 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: some things go Nixon, Clinton, And now they're doing the 196 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: exact opposite, and there's something really yeah, nefarious, but you know, 197 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: there's something profoundly disturbing about that for the country. 198 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: I think that is one hundred percent correct, and I 199 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: just look at the practical requirements. It is grueling for 200 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: anyone to be standing trial. That's the reality, and I hope, 201 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: I would imagine the vast majority of our audience has 202 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: never been in a courtroom, never been facing criminal charges. 203 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: But the amount of energy and effort and intensity that 204 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: you have, I mean, buck, the jury draws much of 205 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: its opinion based on how sometimes the defendant behaves throughout 206 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: the course of this trial. And so Trump is going 207 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: to be being stared at by jurors who hold his 208 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: potential future freedom in their hands all day. And then 209 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: is he going to get on I don't know what 210 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: the plan is going to be. Is he going to 211 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: get on his plane and fly and do rallies? Because 212 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: the big success, I would say, of the Trump twenty 213 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty twenty campaign was these big, huge rallies 214 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: where they found tons of new voters and were able 215 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: to mobilize them. How do you do that if you're 216 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: on trial in South Florida. 217 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: I will say this because I saw it up close 218 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 3: and personal as a much maligned and ambushed conservative at 219 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: CNN in the election year. One. One thing that I 220 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: don't think was taken into account was Trump was able 221 00:11:53,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: to jiu jitsu the Democrat corporate media in twenty sixteen 222 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: into endless coverage of him because they thought it was 223 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: a joke. You know, they thought it was there's that 224 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: Selena Zito line that they took him, you know, literally 225 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: but not seriously, and they should have taken him seriously 226 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: but not literally. They figured, oh, we'll just put this 227 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: up on the air. CNN was running Trump rallies. 228 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: And because they got. 229 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: Great ratings, and they thought, look at our audience they love. 230 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Is this clown this joke? Oh you mean, the one 231 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: who's going to actually crush Hillary the most heralded handed to. 232 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: Candidate and history. 233 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: That didn't happen. In twenty twenty, they learned a lesson. 234 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: Now I know it was COVID as well, but they 235 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: weren't going to do the same thing. They realized amplifying 236 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: the Trump message on their air waves played to Trump's strengths. 237 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: So how does this play now? I would have said, oh, well, 238 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 3: at least he's on he'd be able to be on 239 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: Twitter and be totally free on Twitter. He's not on Twitter. 240 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: So even the media game for Trump here. He's not 241 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: doing a lot of Fox either. I mean, he did 242 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: Shawn Show recently, but he's not on Fox the same 243 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: way he was before. So his message getting out there again. 244 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: This is all evolving in its early but it's different 245 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: than it was in twenty sixteen. CN is not going 246 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: to be running Trump rally night after night. I can't 247 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 3: assure you of that. 248 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: Will they have cameras in the courtroom? The general rule 249 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: is no. There are certain exceptions, I would argue, I 250 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: bet you would agree that given the consequential nature of 251 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: who is on trial, I would argue that one hundred percent, 252 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: there should be cameras in this courtroom. If so, the 253 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: Trump trial, I mean, what would we do even buck 254 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: on this show. I feel like we would cover a 255 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: lot of that live right and analyze it in real time. 256 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: I guarantee you Fox News is going to put it on. 257 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: I bet CNN and MSNBC would even cover that trial. 258 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: Trump if do you think he'll Clay Clay? Do you 259 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: think he'll take the stand in his own defense? That's 260 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: what I'm That's where I'm kind of going here. But 261 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: I think he could think he's Trump and he will talk. 262 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: To tens of millions of people from the witness stand 263 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: and arguably MSNBC and CNN would have to cover that. 264 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: So again, the general rule is in federal trials. This 265 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: is a great question for somebody who is at court 266 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: TV if we have anybody in the audience who knows 267 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: the rules apply here. But I think this could be 268 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: oj Simpson, Like you know, we had the Murdoch trial 269 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: that was on. There's been a lot of different than 270 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: Johnny depp Amber heard trial. There's been a lot of 271 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: these things that were wildly popular because of the compelling 272 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: drama to put it on. I think Buck that this 273 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: could be an unprecedented opportunity in some ways, just saying 274 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: for Trump to get his message out there to your 275 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: point by taking the stand, but also is he going 276 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: to do a press conference every day after the trial 277 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: and the courthouse steps. 278 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: I think he will do something. I mean, he's going 279 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: to but this is kind of what I mean. There's 280 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: gonna be a reshaping of the media platform here, the 281 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: fire hose of information in a way that maybe we 282 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: haven't seen it yet, but Trump will figure something out. 283 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: I think here, all right, let's we'll get some calls 284 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: here eight hundred two two two eighty two for waiting. 285 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: Stay with us. 286 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: If you want, please call in Look Dutch Mendedhall is 287 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: the CEO of RAD Diverse Fied and the President of 288 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: the Alternative Investment Association. He's also now the author of 289 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: a new book, Money Shackles. What are the money shackles? 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Mit Romney is talking 306 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: to everybody here about National hot Dog Day, and it's 307 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: pretty funny because what you get from Mit here is 308 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: he's just a. 309 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: Man of the people, Clay. 310 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: He's like, hello, fellow peasants, I too love the hot 311 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: dog eating that you like to do. Do we have 312 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: his audio? Could we play it? Please play? Mit connecting 313 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: with the folks. 314 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 4: Well, as you all know, today is National hot Dog Day, 315 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: and perhaps you also know that hot dog is my 316 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 4: favorite meat. I love hot dogs. I love them in buns. 317 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 4: I love them outside of buns. I love them with 318 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: baked beans. I just like hot dogs. It's the best 319 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: mess meat there is, without question. So to all of you, 320 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: who like me, are celebrating National hat hot Dog Day, 321 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: congratulations to you, and may there be many many more 322 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 4: hot dogs served in our wonderful land. 323 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: Can can I just say, Clay, no chance at? 324 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 3: Mit Romney's favorite meat is actually hot dog, also hat 325 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: to produce your mic Mit Romney eats his hot dogs 326 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 3: with a knife and fork. 327 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: I watched this video yesterday afternoon and it's just I mean, 328 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: he's wearing a hot dog hat, wearing a hot dog tie, 329 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: walking holding a hot dog in one hand from the 330 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: Senate Office buildings, and it looks like such a fake video. 331 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: I just how many? 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I said, the general 355 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: rule is you cannot have cameras in federal courtrooms. 356 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: And that has been the rule for my. 357 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: Entire time as a practicing attorney that I can remember. Now, 358 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if there are and again somebody may 359 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: be an expert in cameras in courtrooms. If there are 360 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: exceptions to that federal requirement, as it pertains to some 361 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: state law. Right, whether you have some states that say, hey, 362 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: federal courts can make a decision, that's different. But as 363 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: a general rule from your perspective, I'm just kind of 364 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: curious what your reaction to this would be and if 365 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: you would agree with my take. We have never had 366 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: a former president of the United States stand criminal trial 367 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: for any reason, to say nothing of it, potentially being 368 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: in the middle of a primary. Doesn't it feel like 369 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: we should be able to watch and or hear those 370 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: proceedings as an important part of making a decision on 371 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: an election, and also buck instead, if you don't allow that, 372 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: if you don't allow any recordings, and you don't allow 373 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: any cameras, then only the small number of reporters who 374 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: are allowed into that courtroom are then able to tell 375 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: us what's taking place inside of that courtroom. And do 376 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: you trust that you're going to get a fair recitation 377 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: of what's going on in that courtroom from journalists to 378 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: hate Donald Trump? Because I don't, And that to me 379 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: would suggest that there is a real, very real benefit 380 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: of audio or video feeds that would allow us to 381 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: see in during the course of this proceeding. Does that 382 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: make sense to. 383 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: You, Yeah, But they're the judge in this case, I 384 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: think is unlikely to do anything that breaks with precedent 385 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: because the whole theory around this is going to be 386 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: the law is the law, and this is the you know, 387 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 3: he's a citizen just like any you know, any other person, 388 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 3: and et cetera. I agree with you your reasoning that 389 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: we should be able to see this. I think and 390 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 3: I think that we should, but I don't think we will, 391 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. I think the judge is going 392 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: to say, we don't do this. We're not doing it 393 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: in this case because we don't do it for other 394 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: people or other federal court situations. So with that in mind, 395 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: we probably would be relying on people to present to 396 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: you what was said in any given day and that time. 397 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it won't it's not going to how long 398 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: the oj trial went on for a very long time, 399 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: over a year. Yeah, this is only going to go 400 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: on for two weeks, So it's going to well, theoretically, 401 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: in theory, yeah, I mean theory, it's not going to 402 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: go on for a year. Given the kind of charges 403 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 3: we're talking about here. It's really the South Florida one 404 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: is very straightforward. It's document handling and did he obstruct 405 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: when they wanted the documents back? 406 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: That's really it. 407 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 3: I mean, this is not the only thing that makes 408 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: us a complicated case at all, is that Donald Trump 409 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 3: And it's an election year. 410 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: Well, and its potentially classified docs buck right, like, so 411 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: are we actually going to not like if there's an 412 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: argument over whether these are classified or not, and then 413 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: the government's going to say, because this, to me is 414 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: really a big part of what happens in South Florida. 415 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: The government might well say, well, these are so sensitive 416 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: that we can't even tell you what they are. Yeah, 417 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: well the other classify tell me that we get a conviction, 418 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: then yeah, other classified doc cases don't. Really the big 419 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: issue becomes just what's introduced and what's not. There's this 420 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: practice that they'd say, they call it gray mailing, where 421 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: the defense will say, well, for me to get a 422 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: fair trial, we have to read into the record what 423 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: this stuff is. 424 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: And if it's, you know, blueprints of the North Korean 425 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: nuclear missile program, the government may say, hold on a second, like, 426 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: maybe we don't maybe it's not worth it to get 427 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: this guy if we have to publish that or if 428 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: that's to be put into the record. Now, there are 429 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: federal procedures as well. I believe for getting lawyers the 430 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: clearances they need to be able to handle this stuff 431 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: and that they can keep some of this also secret 432 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: within the confines of the trial. But uh, that's going 433 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 3: to be part of this as well. And for the 434 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: for the Trump purposes, it's going to be did he 435 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: have a right to declassify these things or not. You know, 436 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 3: I will see how that all, how that all shakes out. 437 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: The I don't even Clay, I don't even think they 438 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 3: really think that's where they're going to get them though. 439 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: They're just going to try to hammer them on obstruction. 440 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Yes, And I also think, by the way, there are 441 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: a lot of complicated evidentury related issues. And this is 442 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: me getting into the weeds a bit as a lawyer. 443 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: Remember most of these proceedings took place in Washington, DC, 444 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: and then they decided, oh wait, we might have a 445 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: venue issue because this is so centered on mar A Lago, 446 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: and so they pivoted and went to South Florida District Court. 447 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: And when I say that, there might be significant issues 448 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: at play here from an evidentiary perspective. In particular, a 449 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: judge who is now not presiding over the case, for instance, 450 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: punctured the attorney client privilege with Trump and allowed one 451 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: of his attorneys to testify or enter into evidence to discuss, 452 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: for instance, his memos surrounding his representation of Trump. The 453 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: general rule is, as all of you out there can imagine, 454 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: if you are potentially going to face criminal charges, you 455 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: want your legal team to keep everything that you said 456 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: to your criminal defense team from being admissible in court. 457 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: And that's why the general rule is the attorney client 458 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: privilege cannot be pierced unless there is a crime fraud 459 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: exception in play here. Right, So, for people out there 460 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: who watch mob movies, if you are the attorney for 461 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: the mobster and you are default conspiring with. 462 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: Him, the attorney camp, you know, the mobster can't be like, hey, 463 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 3: Consulgieri got to take care of that guy with the 464 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: thing for the thing, you know what I mean? Then 465 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: you know, take care of a witness. Can't do that, 466 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: like you'll get in trouble for that. Doesn't matter that 467 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: your career. So that's why you have the crime fraud exemption. 468 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: You couldn't sit down with your attorney and say, hey, 469 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about committing a murder. What's the best way 470 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 3: in your mind that I could commit a murder and 471 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: create no evidence of the fact that that murder happened, 472 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: And then your attorney says, well, tell me who it is. 473 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: Let me think through. Well, you should dispose of the 474 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: body like a right. Okay. 475 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: So a lot of times people think about it in 476 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: the context of a mobster, where the mob typically has 477 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: their own attorney who is a default member of the 478 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: mob crime family. Okay, so that's why that exemption exists. 479 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: But it is highly complicated and highly difficult to make 480 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: decisions about whether it appears, so to speak, that attorney 481 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: client privilege and allow the attorney to testify against his 482 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: own client. The judge in d C said yes, But 483 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: if I'm a lean cannon, the judge in South Florida, 484 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to be bound by the evidentiary rulings 485 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: and other decisions that were made by a Washington DC 486 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: judge in a case that I'm ultimately going to be 487 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: seen sitting on. So there are going to be which 488 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: is why I'm a little bit skeptical that May twenty 489 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: fourth will be the start date. They're going to be 490 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: blockbuster motions, rulings, decisions that are made associated with this 491 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: criminal trial that we really don't have any idea how 492 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: they're going to be to be ruled on. So, just 493 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: as a matter of course, remember like the OJ trial. 494 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: But if you remember it, a lot of people decided 495 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: they wanted to be lawyers by watching the OJ trial 496 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: because it's like the most exciting thing that a lawyer 497 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: could do. You're in a courtroom you're arguing over whether 498 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: or not someone committed a murder. They're all this discussion 499 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: surrounding complicated issues. And then the reality your sister's a lawyer, 500 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: and every young lawyer who's listening to me right now, 501 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: for the most part, the reality is you graduate from 502 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: law school and then they sit you down in front 503 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: of a computer and you just do docker research or 504 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: you just write while sitting in an office, and there's 505 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: very little time for most people in courtrooms, very little 506 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: time for young lawyers in courtrooms arguing about things that 507 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: matter on a large degree. So my point on all 508 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: this is it's going to be very illuminating for many 509 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: people out there to see what this process looks like. 510 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: And it's rare that we can say this, but I 511 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: think you're right, and we have to keep emphasizing there's 512 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: never been a situation like this in the history of 513 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: the United States. So anyone who tells you, oh, this 514 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: is definitely going to happen, or that is definitely going 515 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: to happen, is not even relying on any precedent in 516 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: fact to be able to make those arguments. It truly 517 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: is a situation that has never occurred before. So we're 518 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: all flying somewhat blind into this mess. 519 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: Our current system may be undergoing a change in the 520 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: near future. One expert on the topic, a former Wall 521 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: Street insider Tika Tuai, thinks our government could soon announce 522 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 3: a mandatory national recall on the US dollar. According to Tika, 523 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: there'll be a new digital version that will be dramatically 524 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: different from what you have in your bank account right now. 525 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: If you don't prepare, you could end upholding a bunch 526 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 3: of worthless US dollars. 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Alan in Jackson missus Sippy Place, actually hear 554 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 3: great things about what's going on. 555 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: Allen. 556 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 5: Hey, how you doing. 557 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 6: Guys? 558 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 5: Look, I wanted to let you know a fast break layup. 559 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 5: Clay will probably appreciate this. That's one of the biggest 560 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 5: problems right now Trump is facing is the fast breakaway layup, 561 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 5: and that's the establishment Party. Well, what do you mean, Okay, 562 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 5: So take the McCain's, the Bushes, the Cheney's, the Romney's, 563 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 5: the McConnell's. When you have an election that's going to 564 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 5: be close, for example, Tutor Dixon in Michigan, Carry Lake 565 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 5: in Arizona, if you just have three to four percent 566 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 5: of your establishment Republicans go out of their way to 567 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 5: either not vote or vote for a Democrat, your election 568 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 5: is lost. Yeah, and then they go on TV and 569 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 5: blame Trump's candidates for being bad. Don't tell me Tudor 570 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 5: Dixon was bad. Don't tell me Carry Lake was bad. 571 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 5: And I could go on down the list of a 572 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 5: lot of others. A lot of those candidates were long 573 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 5: good America First candidates that the establishment hated. 574 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the call. Look, is there any doubt, 575 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: buck that Democrats are more committed as a group to 576 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: their candidates than Republicans are. 577 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 6: Nope? Right? 578 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, how often do you hear democrats criticize other 579 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: Democrats compared to Republicans ripping other Republicans. It doesn't happen 580 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: very often. I mean, again, the Fetterman case is a 581 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: great example of party over everything. 582 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff in Ohio, what have you got for us. 583 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 6: Hey, you're doing a great job. I called in to 584 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 6: agree with the gentleman from the last hour. I too, 585 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 6: know that Trump is unelectable, and I'm really worried that 586 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 6: he's going to get Then. 587 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: What do you base what do you base the fact 588 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: that he's unelectable on? You're in where you're in Ohio. 589 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: The Republican's gonna win Ohio comfortably. But what do you 590 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: what do you base the fact that you think Trump's unelectable? 591 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 6: Well, I just think that with the great numbers that 592 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 6: he had, you know, for his first four years, the 593 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 6: first the economic numbers, and the way he handled Europe, 594 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 6: there was no way in the world he should have 595 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 6: lost to Biden. And I think, you know, for one thing, 596 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 6: I voted for him twice, and I'd vote for him again, 597 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 6: you know, if he were the nominee. But personally, I 598 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 6: think he's a pompous, eaglemaniac, narcissist, and I think he's 599 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 6: just turned too many people off. Its interesting if he could, 600 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 6: if he could the last time, I don't know what 601 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 6: makes anybody think he's gonna win again. 602 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: Jeff, it was interesting to me. 603 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, jeffer issitioning me our last car 604 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 3: Allen saying that if the establishment Republicans who will cost 605 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 3: Trump the election this time around, you know, if you 606 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: look at the voting patterns in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, 607 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know that the last time around. 608 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: I don't know that you could blame the It's not 609 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 3: establishment Republicans. It's swing voters, independence, white working class voters 610 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: who will go either way. 611 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: It's what they did. 612 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 3: Arizona's a little different because you have those, you have 613 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: the McCain voters who feel particularly insulted by some members 614 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: of Trump World. But you know, I think that it 615 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: wasn't lack it's not necessarily a lack of Republican turnout 616 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: that's costing you in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania right now, Democrats have 617 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: a big advantage in terms of registration, So you need 618 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: independence to swing your way in a place like Pennsylvania. 619 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 3: You're just not going to win the state. 620 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: You buy this buck. I think there's three let's presume 621 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: Trump's the nominee. I think there's three ways that Trump wins. 622 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: One is Biden has such a health related condition or 623 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: does something that is so indefensible. You know, he in 624 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: the debate falls on the way walking onto the stage. 625 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: He collapses, Yes, some sort of health related condition, which 626 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: is not crazy. The idea in the midst of the campaign. 627 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: Two is there's a third party, because I do think 628 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: a third party, if it's this no Labels group or 629 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: whatever else, would benefit Trump because I think it would 630 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: pull votes away from Biden more so. And third is 631 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: that because COVID is not here, the amount of people 632 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: that Democrats are able to turn out because the claim 633 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: of Biden. Let's presume that eighty one million came right. 634 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: The claim of Biden was he would restore normalcy. He's 635 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: failed at that. People's lives by and large are not 636 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: substantially better. So maybe instead of eighty one million, we 637 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: get seventy six million that show up to vote for 638 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: Biden in twenty four Those are, to me, the three 639 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: paths if you are a Trump supporter to argue, hey, 640 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: that's how we can win. Do you think I'm missing 641 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: anything in those three Do you see like an additional 642 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, pathway? 643 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the pathways are narrow. It's not 644 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 3: going to be easy, and I check to make sure 645 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 3: that I was right. I mean, Biden won independent voters 646 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania by eight points. If that happens again, he 647 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: loses Pennsylvania full stop. So this is why no chance, 648 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 3: no chance Pennsylvania. So this is why people say, well, 649 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: it's the GOP establishment not showing up. It's gonna do. 650 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 3: Let's not create the narrative in advance of the election. Right, 651 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: you have to win independent voters. You have to win 652 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 3: female you know, the soccer mom votes, so to speak, 653 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: the female suburban voter. You have to win white working 654 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 3: class males in Michigan and Wisconsin in numbers. That and 655 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: that includes some Democrats who have went for Trump in 656 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, to include some independence. That's how you got 657 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: to get it done. I mean just saying, like, you know, 658 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 3: we can't set ourselves up to say, well, well, you know, 659 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 3: former McCain voters cost us again in twenty twenty four. 660 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: We got to find a way through that. Yeah, And 661 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: that's also a failure of candidacy. Right to be honest, 662 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: if you can't persuade people who would be predisposed to 663 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: vote for you, I think that's super frustrating. But again, 664 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: Democrats turned out people to vote for basically a walking 665 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: corpse in John Fetterman, and they'll do it again for Biden, 666 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: and this time winning is winning and losing is losing, 667 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: and our party needs to figure that out real fast. 668 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 3: Right doesn't matter. We can tell ourselves whatever narratives we want. 669 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 3: If we're sitting here doing the show in January of 670 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five while Joe Biden's getting sworn in for 671 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 3: term two, that's not. 672 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: Gonna be a tough show's going to get said we consider. 673 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 2: I say, oh, but someone didn't show up and vote 674 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: for I don't care who it is. 675 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: You know, if only more Trump voters had voted for 676 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: President Viveig would be I don't care. We've got to win. 677 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: Got to find a way to get to that victory 678 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 3: because everything else is just noise. 679 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: It's true, it's all that matters. 680 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: And I don't want this to come down to another 681 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: sports analogy here, a last second field goal, Like we 682 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: have to put together a platform that is going to 683 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: lead to a comfortable win. How do you do that? 684 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: That's super important