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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He's Paula Tino. I'm Lance Meadow.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: win Amazing Giants prizes. So yesterday Paul and I delved

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Speaker 1: into wild Card Weekend, showed you some of the trends

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Speaker 1: that we saw from the winning teams, and also looked

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Speaker 1: into the Giants offseason. All of that is still up

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Speaker 1: for discussion on today's program, but I think we also

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Speaker 1: wanted to get into a few new subjects, including quarterback records,

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Speaker 1: the clutch gene, as well as the NFL coaching carousel.

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Speaker 1: And one tweet caught my attention. Paul and I want

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Speaker 1: to start there. The NFL network obviously has its fair

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Speaker 1: share of programming, and they must have gotten into a

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Speaker 1: conversation about clutch quarterbacks and quarterbacks that deliver consistently and

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Speaker 1: so forth. So Peter Schrager, who is on their morning show,

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Speaker 1: had mentioned that when a Fox Sports side NFL games,

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Speaker 1: so he's he does a lot of NFL stuff. So

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Speaker 1: he was quoted as saying the following with respect to

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles, the Eagles starting quarterback right now, Nick Foles

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Speaker 1: in the biggest of moments. This is what he was

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Speaker 1: using a context. There is quote no quarterback I would

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Speaker 1: no quarterback I'd rather have an NFL history in a

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Speaker 1: big moment end quote. Wow, Nick Foles. By the way,

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Speaker 1: five career postseason games he's appeared in five, Paul, See,

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Speaker 1: this is the problem I have, and I'm gonna vent

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Speaker 1: a little here. Okay before I at least do get

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Speaker 1: into this, because you know I have can say, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: my feeling is everyone's entitled to their opinion as long

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Speaker 1: as they back it up with supportive facts. Not that

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Speaker 1: it's number one in terms of my philosophy. But the

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Speaker 1: reason I get irritated in these hyperbole type of comments

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Speaker 1: is if you're going to make this case for any one,

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Speaker 1: and you can make this case for a variety of quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: that's certainly substance out there. Don't you think it's practical, Paul,

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Speaker 1: to crown an individual who at least has a wide

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Speaker 1: range of postseason games on their resume. We live in

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Speaker 1: a society today where one person has one good game

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Speaker 1: and then they immediately put them up on a pedestal.

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Speaker 1: And I feel as if, you know, Nick Foles falls

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Speaker 1: into that. And I'm not trying to downgrade Nick Foles. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he delivered last year during the playoff run. He deserves

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Speaker 1: credit for that. But five career postseason games, three of

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Speaker 1: which came last season, Paul, three all in one year.

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Speaker 1: One game in which the Falcons, by the way, in

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Speaker 1: that divisional round, remember Matt Ryan, they get into the

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Speaker 1: red zone, it's a ten game, four past attempts within

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Speaker 1: the red zone, and they can't get in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: If the Falcon score a touchdown, the Eagles post season

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Speaker 1: run is over. And we're not talking about Nick Foles.

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Speaker 1: That's another reason why quarterback records bother me, because the defense,

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Speaker 1: the special teams, and everything else has something to do.

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Speaker 1: It's a team game. Lands. I know, once again I

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Speaker 1: am saying things that are blowing your mind. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: in this program, Paul, right, it's a team game meeting,

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Speaker 1: the defense of the special teams have to help you

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Speaker 1: by the way of Cody Parky makes the field goal.

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Speaker 1: Are we talking about the Eagles go ahead drive on Sunday? No,

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Bears win. And once again full

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Speaker 1: how great Robinski is, right exactly, Maybe he's the greatest

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Speaker 1: clutch quarterback of all time. Dingo Well said his throw

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Speaker 1: We always react to them now, and everyone tends to

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Speaker 1: these other new quarterbacks suited up. I could not agree

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Speaker 1: Number of the quarterbacks you listed are worthy of the title.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady would be another guy that I would certainly

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Speaker 1: I think he's had a number of key drives that

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Speaker 1: I brought up Tom Brady Paul. But remember Brady benefited

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Speaker 1: So when you look at have quarterbacks delivered, I think

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Speaker 1: Foles with one simple comment like that, to me, that's

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Speaker 1: not holding much water. Well. And the other reason why

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Speaker 1: speculating a little bit. Why would you be so quick

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Speaker 1: based on Wentz's injury history, I'll sign another one year

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Speaker 1: Wentz plays all sixteen games and then falls enters free

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Speaker 1: So how does he lose? It's funny that you brought

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Speaker 1: So they've had this in place. It's Paul's Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: just last year to a did it for Alabama. They

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Speaker 1: what he got for us? Paul Lance, you guys stole

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Speaker 1: We know exactly what Elie is. He makes five dump

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Speaker 1: along here on Tuesday's the day a Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Dylan is in Watertown. Dylan, Welcome to the program. What

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Speaker 1: do you have for us? Hey, guys, how's it going today?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Um? Well, I had I had

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Speaker 1: a scenario I guess I was gonna give you guys,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to hear your comments, and then also

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Speaker 1: had a follow up question to that as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: going going into the NFL Draft, you know, the Giants

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Speaker 1: have the six overall pick. Um. Two guys I was

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Speaker 1: watching last night in the College Football Championship was offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle for um Alabama Williams Jonah Williams yea, and then

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Speaker 1: for Clemson. I was watching at the edge rusher. His

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Speaker 1: last name is Ferrell there for that was a matchup

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Speaker 1: A lot of people were looking forward to watching. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, if you're the Giants, I

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Speaker 1: mean those if those two guys, you know, or even

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Speaker 1: just one of them are available at number six, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think that's certainly somebody to grab. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people want a quarterback, but I think, really,

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Speaker 1: then you gotta you gotta go for the need. And

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Speaker 1: I think obviously we need pass rushers and also an

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle. You can put that right tackle and then

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Speaker 1: um the interesting thing I thought of because I've been

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Speaker 1: going through some mock drafts myself. Before you go any further,

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Speaker 1: just be careful. The one statement you said you gotta

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Speaker 1: go for the need. That's a mistake. Don't reach and

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Speaker 1: go for the need. You'd want to go for the

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Speaker 1: best player available. Hopefully he does fit your need. Again,

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Speaker 1: unless in extenuating circumstances, you know what happens to be

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Speaker 1: a guy who you know already is an overstocked position,

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Speaker 1: which even in some instances, you might want to take

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Speaker 1: them anyway. So be careful. Don't just say you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go for the pass rusher. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: for the tie the tackle because we have a need there.

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Speaker 1: I would think that that Williams and or a pass

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Speaker 1: rusher of his ilk will be rated higher than any

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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks coming into this draft. So if you

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Speaker 1: want to say to me that you'd like to draft

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Speaker 1: one of those two guys at six instead of Haskins,

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Speaker 1: the likely highest quarterback on the board, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a problem with that because it's also the b P

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Speaker 1: A right and then um, I looked into the second

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Speaker 1: round and this it's kind of just one of those

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Speaker 1: things like um, and I'm not sure if it'd be

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Speaker 1: something that would be a smart idea to do. But

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Speaker 1: if I say, a quarterback like the one that stands

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Speaker 1: out to me this year, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people kind of overlook is Drew Lock out of Missouri.

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Speaker 1: I've I've liked him all year just seeing how he plays,

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Speaker 1: and if if, if he's available in the second round,

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Speaker 1: if I don't know if it would be smart to

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Speaker 1: take him. The only reason why I would because just

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Speaker 1: to have a young guy come in and sit under

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Speaker 1: Eli for a year, have them develop, and then I

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Speaker 1: think it kind of helps the process of moving on

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Speaker 1: eventually when you do. And then you have you know, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: Loletta and Lock kind of battling for it. And then

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Speaker 1: the question I had, I think you guys kind of

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Speaker 1: already answered, But I was gonna say, if Haskins was

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Speaker 1: available at number six, would if you were the GM,

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Speaker 1: would that be a pick that you would maybe consider. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would certainly consider it as a pick. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's an outrageous statement. But once again, I think

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Speaker 1: you have to weigh are you maximizing the value with

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Speaker 1: a potential successor to Eli Manning at six versus somebody

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Speaker 1: that could come in like a sa Kwan Barkley, which

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Speaker 1: was the conversation the Giants had this year, who can

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Speaker 1: make an immediate impact and could still very be a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame franchise type of player. If they believe

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Speaker 1: a defensive lineman pass rush or an offensive lineman fits

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Speaker 1: that bill, then I would serve really not fault them

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Speaker 1: for going in that direction versus a quarterback. But I

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Speaker 1: think Haskin certainly has the upside and the talent that

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Speaker 1: I would at least consider it and entertain it in

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Speaker 1: number six. But I don't think that the Giant should

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Speaker 1: be in a locked in position where quarterback, quarterback, quarterback

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Speaker 1: has to be the only priority at number six. If

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Speaker 1: Paul and I discussed over these last two shows, you

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Speaker 1: could point to a number of other areas of need,

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Speaker 1: which also equates a good value of players that are

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Speaker 1: going to be available when the Giants are ready to

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Speaker 1: pick at number six. Right, Yeah, I agree, like you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a big Eli supporter, so I think bringing

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Speaker 1: them back would be the best case scenario to win.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, if anything with Eli, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe they would restructure his contract just to have a

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Speaker 1: little bit more money to bring in maybe a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys on like a one year deal, just to

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Speaker 1: have them there. But I definitely believe stinking with Eli

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Speaker 1: gives you the best chance to win. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: we've seen when you give him protection and time, you

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Speaker 1: can still make the throws, he still makes place. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm really for sure seeing him coming up here. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of the conversation that the Giants

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Speaker 1: are having right now, Dylan and appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 1: The other thing related to Haskins, and when we start

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Speaker 1: to look ahead to the draft, this will certainly be

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Speaker 1: a question that I'm personally interested in hearing from a

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Speaker 1: number of these draft experts, and this to me is

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Speaker 1: important to provide perspective even for the Giants. When you

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Speaker 1: look at Haskins, even though most people will say he's

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Speaker 1: the number one rated quarterback in this year's class, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he is ten times better or equivalent

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Speaker 1: Paul to the cluster of quarterbacks that we saw come

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Speaker 1: into the NFL this year. And the jury is still out,

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Speaker 1: by the way, on a number of the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: came into the NFL. But you know, where would you

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Speaker 1: put Haskins in comparison to Baker Mayfield. Where would you

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Speaker 1: put Haskins in comparison to Sam Donald? Where would you

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Speaker 1: put him in comparison to Josh Rosen and Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: And I can sit here and put you through the

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Speaker 1: whole list of quarterbacks, because just because you're the numb

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Speaker 1: umber one rated quarterback Paul one year, doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 1: the equivalent to what the number one rated quarterback was,

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Speaker 1: perhaps just the previous year. And I think that's an

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Speaker 1: important question to answer for any general manager in front

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Speaker 1: office executive, so that you make sure you're not reaching

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Speaker 1: in this year's draft. Well, this is why personnel departments

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Speaker 1: scout guys over the course of their collegiate careers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: not just one game. You know that, right, Lawrence for example.

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Speaker 1: I'm just bringing that up as because they'll they'll be

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Speaker 1: looking at guys, you know, freshman and sophomores who are

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Speaker 1: bursting on the scene, and they're gonna attract that player

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna see, Okay, what's the system, what's the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, How well is he developing, is he taking

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Speaker 1: any steps back? Did he reach a plateau where he

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Speaker 1: did not get better? And just even down. These are

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Speaker 1: all things they're gonna watch on the field from a

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Speaker 1: tape perspective. Besides all the other stuff, the injury in

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Speaker 1: the personnel file, which we now know becomes a huge

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Speaker 1: part of the guy's draft ability. Now you mentioned Lock,

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Speaker 1: I haven't done my tape study yet. I've admitted that

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Speaker 1: to everybody. I'll be getting to it very shortly. But

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Speaker 1: I have not gotten to my tape study yet. I

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Speaker 1: have seen him play a game, but that's not enough

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Speaker 1: for me to make a definitive statement. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you people who do that for a living have told me.

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Speaker 1: They have said his accuracy is a concern. Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: done done better, but his accuracy is an year quarterback

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Speaker 1: at of Missouri. By the way, yes to that. People

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Speaker 1: understand who we're talking about um. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: that I've heard that you've got to be careful of

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Speaker 1: is that he's a system quarterback, even though they run

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Speaker 1: a pro style and he does take snaps from center,

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Speaker 1: which is a knock on a lot of the college

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coming out is that their only shotgun quarterbacks. He

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Speaker 1: does take snaps from center at Missouri, but apparently their system,

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Speaker 1: their offensive playbook, their route tree, he's not required to

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Speaker 1: scan the whole field. They have a playbook in place

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Speaker 1: at Missouri where it's so system oriented he's basically only

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Speaker 1: looking at half of the field on his passing routes. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's one of the reasons why Missouri is not

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Speaker 1: in the top five. You know. Uh, but you know again,

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Speaker 1: this is what I've been told. I have not done

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Speaker 1: my serious study yet. So I know I've been hit

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Speaker 1: up on on Twitter, and you've been hit up on

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Speaker 1: the web where people say, well, how can you make

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Speaker 1: comments about these guys when you've admitted you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: them or study them. I'm telling you I have not.

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Speaker 1: This is the hearsay that has come back to me

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Speaker 1: from guys who have studied him. I will look and

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Speaker 1: see for myself when I watch some of the tape

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Speaker 1: as to what I think of him, and I'll give

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Speaker 1: you that opinion when I have it. But what I've

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Speaker 1: heard right now is that those are concerns even though

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Speaker 1: he is one of the highest rated quarterbacks in this draft. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I also think even people think he might even

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Speaker 1: be one or two that high. I have heard that chatter.

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Speaker 1: But if you're thinking about drafting a quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: second round, which is what Dylan, our last caller, was

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Speaker 1: talking about, that maybe he's gonna be around, then I

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Speaker 1: think give you the Giants, you gotta be thinking at

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Speaker 1: the point, right Well, they drafted Davis Webb mid round pick,

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Speaker 1: they drafted Kyle Aletta. And now, okay, so now you're

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Speaker 1: moving up slightly. But I guess the point is, don't

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Speaker 1: you have to get don't you have to get to

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Speaker 1: the point, Paul, where you say, we're gonna now use

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Speaker 1: a first round pick on a quarterback and we think

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Speaker 1: is worthy and is separated from the rest of the

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Speaker 1: path that we've taken some flyers on a lot. A

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Speaker 1: lot depends on a what's available, and be if you

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Speaker 1: think you have enough of good grades on other positions

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Speaker 1: that make them a comparable value. See at the time,

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Speaker 1: and folks, let me make something clear. At the time

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Speaker 1: the Giants drafted Davi's Webb, they they had a grade

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Speaker 1: on him that that said he easily could have been

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Speaker 1: a second rounder, and they took him in the third

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Speaker 1: because they were like wow, from the value from a

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Speaker 1: value perspective, Okay, And that's I think what a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are missing now. It turned out the new

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Speaker 1: administration decided not to go in his direction, and we

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Speaker 1: still don't know how good David's webb is going to

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Speaker 1: be because he hasn't played yet. He's he's stuck in

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Speaker 1: a bad spot with the Jets where he's behind a quote,

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Speaker 1: you know, new rookie phenom and behind a veteran who's

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Speaker 1: been around forever, and it's a comfortable backup. So he's

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure he's going to go free agent

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Speaker 1: and go somewhere else. He'd be crazy not to. Until

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Speaker 1: David's webb actually plays some NFL games, it's not fair

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Speaker 1: to to say what he is. But having said that,

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Speaker 1: when the Giants took David's webb, they took him because

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Speaker 1: they thought that there was significant value there at that spot.

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Speaker 1: And and if a guy sticks out like a sore

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Speaker 1: thumb on your board and it says, okay, look he's

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Speaker 1: got value tense. It's higher than where we're picking, and

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Speaker 1: there's nobody else who was even two spots higher than

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Speaker 1: where we're picking, you know it's gonna be hard to

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Speaker 1: pass that guy up. Well, I think you have to

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Speaker 1: consider that. I I mean, it goes back to what Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman said at his press conference at Granted we have

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Speaker 1: heard the same thing with respect to when Jerry Reese

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Speaker 1: was here, but you know, the best player available philosophy

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Speaker 1: as opposed to saying, Okay, well we're in the third round.

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Speaker 1: We've addressed these two areas. Now we need to address

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Speaker 1: this need. But the guy who were thinking about taking

642
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Speaker 1: in the third round is really valued at potentially a

643
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: guy that could fall into the fourth round. So are

644
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you gonna reach for that guy? Or you're gonna say,

645
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a quarterback there who could have

646
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: went late in the second round according to our projections,

647
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: So we feel we want to maximize the pick. You know,

648
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Speaker 1: that's the big debate that I think most front office

649
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: executives have, even with Loletta, Okay and I and I

650
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: don't know where the Giants had him ranked on their board.

651
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what value they specifically had, but I

652
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: do know that there were some, not many, it was

653
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: a minority, but I do remember hearing that there were

654
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: some folks who thought he was a very good value.

655
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: This is outside the building who thought he was a

656
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: very good value at that round. Others who said, you

657
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: know what, he's just another guy. I think, who is

658
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: it called calls the guy's jags? Just another guy? Who

659
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: does that? NFL analysts you're talking about, Oh, it's Chris Canny,

660
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: the former Johnny's defensive lineman. He says, guy, just another guy.

661
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: It's a jack, He's just another guy. Uh. There were

662
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: some people who thought that Lolette was just another guy.

663
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: He was a jack and fourth or fifth round was

664
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: a good value for him. But there were I do

665
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: remember hearing that there were a couple of folks, not

666
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: many who's figured you know what, he actually was very

667
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: good value at four. Well. I took him well. I

668
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: remember hearing that he could be that sleeper potential type

669
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: of players. People said, case Kingdom, right, that is not

670
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: necessarily on your radar, but he put up respectable numbers

671
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: at Richmond, and if you get him in the right system,

672
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: he could thrive anyway. Point is, there are a lot

673
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: of factors that come into drafting a QB. Whether or

674
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: not you need him or don't need him, or how

675
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: valued he is on your board. These things are all

676
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: in play when you think about drafting one. That's the point,

677
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: by the way, before we get back to the phone lines,

678
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: were a stute producer David Dominic looked up Michael Griffin,

679
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: former Tight and Safety and Brian A. Rackpo. Yes, own

680
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: a franchise location GGS Cupcakes in Austin, Texas. So it

681
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Speaker 1: is legit. It is not on the commercial. And they

682
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: were both Texas teammates. That's the connection between the two.

683
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: So it's understanding. And you looked at me a little

684
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Speaker 1: crazy when I said to you that there might be

685
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: some reality in that. I did. I remember distinctly seeing

686
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: the commercial. I just never took it upon myself to say,

687
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: all right, is this something they're advertising or is this

688
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: actually legitimate? That's all here's the danger within five years

689
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: after retirement a rack mom maybe, well, yes, that's always

690
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: the negative that you roll the dice with. But I'm

691
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: sure he'll have a workout regiment that will help out,

692
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I hope. So the intake of cupcakes. All right, let's

693
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines we have or in

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Speaker 1: on the line in Richmond or in Welcome the Big

695
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Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. What do you got for us?

696
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing today? What's on your mind?

697
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Um yeah, so um, I like that, but were just

698
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: talking about shame. I think there should be something we

699
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: should go after see yeah and everything. That's my point,

700
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: the youth of the player and the upside of the player.

701
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: I still think he's there. I mean, he was a

702
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: first round pick in two thousand fifteen. So yeah, that's

703
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, I'm just saying. And I

704
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you know, when we have to

705
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Speaker 1: lose you know this, you know Sono maybe to a

706
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: two year deal or something like that. Maybe you know,

707
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: Tonic give him um to come to our team and soon.

708
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: And also um, I think, um, I don't know if

709
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Speaker 1: you guctually saw this, but you know the way he's

710
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: hoping that he gets about a giant, I did see that,

711
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but I'm just I just want to know what, like,

712
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: what do you guys think of doing, Like when you

713
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: guys watch your money, who do smind like what kind

714
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: of passes if I feel like we kind of think

715
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: I think I don't think we should trade up for him.

716
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Be honest with you, I think we should say And

717
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: that's not because honestly, I don't feel like any other

718
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: teams pursue him like that. Well, that's always the guessing game.

719
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Speaker 1: You never know who would have thought. I get where

720
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: you're coming from, Oran, but who would have thought a

721
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: few years ago that the Eagles would have moved up

722
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: to get Carson Wentz. Remember that offseason they gave Sam

723
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Bradford a contract extension and they brought in Chase Daniel

724
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: on a nice contract as his backup because he also

725
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: had ties to Doug Peterson. So you really you never

726
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: know that. There's always that late maneuvering and maybe a

727
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: team didn't get their target in free agency. So I

728
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: think it's too early to say that there's no way

729
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: that anybody's gonna make a move in the top five

730
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: to grab a quarterback, or perhaps a team that's in

731
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: the top five right now may want to explore other options.

732
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: For example, you know nobody's talking about Arizona is going

733
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: to bring in a new head coach. Now, I still

734
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: think it's way too early to move in a different direction.

735
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: But maybe the new coach is not enamored with Josh

736
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Speaker 1: Rosen and he sells the coaching staff on maybe taking

737
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: a flyer with Haskins or somebody else. So you can't

738
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: rule out that just because it appears these teams are

739
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: set for that. Well, but it all depends on what

740
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: you gotta give up. Remember, you know, as Paul and

741
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: I said, or In the Giants have other needs and

742
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: even Dave Gettleman said, the defense has to be a

743
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: priority this offseason to improve, you give up, you give

744
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: up draft picks. Now, maybe you lose out on getting

745
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: a marquee defensive player. You have to weigh that. You

746
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: can't dismiss that. Okay, yeah, you're right, And that's why

747
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we should go to some

748
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: defensive players. Um um, you know maybe as second rounds

749
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: are rounds, advances and players agency. You know, I do

750
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: some it's a defensive stuff like that. But but yeah,

751
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: but I honestly I had one more. This will be

752
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: a perfect time for someone who sit by him for

753
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: a whole year and actually learn from them. Well, I

754
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: think if you look at the NFL landscape and appreciate

755
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the phone call or and most quarterbacks who were taken

756
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: high tend to start day one, I think that would

757
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: be the majority of the trend. But Paul, there is

758
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: value in also letting a quarterback watch and learn from

759
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: a veteran. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

760
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: We saw it. Brett Farvan Aaron Rodgers is an example.

761
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: What about Philip Rivers behind Drew Brees. You know, let's

762
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: not be mistaken. Rivers didn't start day one. They had

763
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and then they moved on from him because

764
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: they were concerned about his shoulder injury. So there are

765
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: a number of guys. I mean, I just named your

766
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: two of the top quarterbacks in today's NFL all time

767
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: in Rivers and Rogers, they said for a year or two,

768
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: and to me, it didn't stunt their development at all. Yeah,

769
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a problem with it. In fact,

770
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: I prefer it. But that's just me. No, I'm with you.

771
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: I would prefer it clearly if you can maximize the

772
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: veteran on your team and he still can produce. So

773
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: you're basically you're killing two birds with one stone. In

774
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, you're still competitive with the current quarterback in place, Paul,

775
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: and then at the same time you're allowing the potential

776
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: successor to learn understand what you have to study, the

777
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: tendencies and so forth. So that to me is the

778
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: ideal game plan. But at the same time, I mean,

779
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: you see what Baker Mayfield has done this year and

780
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Sam Donald to a certain extent, and would you argue

781
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: that if they had a veteran quarterback in front of them,

782
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: And granted Baker had Tyrod Taylor, so he did have

783
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: some semblance of that, and Donald has Josh McCown. But

784
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: I guess my point is they didn't sit for a year.

785
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: It was more of a baptism by fire. And I

786
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: think some of those guys you can make a case

787
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: are still in very good position for lengthy career. You

788
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: can make a case for both sides of the coin,

789
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: depending upon which circumstances you'd like to cite. But if

790
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: you need to get a preference or have a preference,

791
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'd prefer to have the guys ship.

792
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: But again, the teach his own. That's one of those

793
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: things where I really wish society would agree to disagree more,

794
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: because nobody does that anymore. Everybody says I'm right, you're wrong,

795
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: and I hate you for it. People need to agree

796
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: to disagree more anyway. Go ahead, I'm with you, keep preaching, Paul,

797
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'll patch you. Yeah, we we we

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Speaker 1: let Orang go after he made his final point. But

799
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Speaker 1: the way we should tell people about the Bruce Arian story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I never thought you'd be so excited about coaching

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Speaker 1: bewse I That's why I was a lit it was.

802
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: It was floating around over the last few days. So

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00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: that's why I wasn't startled. But yes, that they are

804
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Speaker 1: going to offer Bruce Arian the bucks, the bucks, the

805
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: head coaching, gig and correct. And we should also mention

806
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: on a related note, the Packers, according to multiple reports,

807
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: are going to hire Titans offensive coordinator Matt Lafleur, who

808
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: was with Sean McVeigh as the Rams offensive coordinator last year.

809
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: Then he moved to the Titans. And the reason why

810
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: he moved is because he was the play caller for Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: He was not the play caller in l A. And

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00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: he's worked with a variety of quarterbacks and this is

813
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Speaker 1: why I think Green Bay finds him attractive. He's worked

814
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins and r G three in Washington. He's

815
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: worked with Matt Ryan in Atlanta. He's worked with Jared

816
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Goff in l A. And he's worked with Marcus Mariota.

817
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: So they have Aaron Rodgers. And it's not that he

818
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: has a great track record as a play caller. It's

819
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: still a small sample size. But if I'm Green Bay

820
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: knowing Rogers personality, Paul, you want somebody that has had

821
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Speaker 1: exposure to a variety of different quarterbacks at all levels

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Speaker 1: and understands the ins and outs of that position and

823
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: also can feel good about calling plays, which he showed

824
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: this year. So that's why I think it's easy to

825
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: overlook somebody like that because you're like, well, Tennessee's offense

826
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: was an electric this season. Here's an trusting nugget, and

827
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the audience nor you were aware of.

828
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was hired as the San Francisco forty Niners

829
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator before he took over as Green Bay's head

830
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Speaker 1: coach in two thousand six. They had a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: in OH five by the name of Alex Smith. San

832
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: Francisco's offense, you know where, it right dead last in

833
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: the NFL that year, yet Green Bay hired him as

834
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: their head coach. So for everybody going crazy about Tennessee's

835
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: offensive numbers, maybe that provides a little perspective because the

836
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: last time I checked turned out to be pretty good.

837
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: That Mike McCarthy choice. I think they made the playoffs, uh,

838
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: much more than they missed it. Anyway. The other part,

839
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: if you want to weave this around and connect the dots,

840
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: why that could be relevant to the Giants because any

841
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: time there was a head coaching change, the snool of

842
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: assistants also become eligible for change. And you never know

843
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: if maybe that coach in that new job is gonna

844
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: want to grab some of your assistants, or for that matter,

845
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: if your current head coach wants to grab some of

846
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: the guys who were now set free. Or maybe let's

847
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: say Bruce Arians is now going to get the Buccaneers job.

848
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: Maybe who knows, Maybe Pat Sherman has his eye on

849
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: grabbing somebody for his staff, but Arians also wants him.

850
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: So now maybe you're in competition for the same guy

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00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: who's available. So there can be tentacles that do stretch

852
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: to your current team when they are head coaching vacancies

853
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: that get filled. No, I think that's an excellent point.

854
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: According to reports that I've seen, it looks like Bruce

855
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: Arians is gonna bring in Todd Bowles, former Jets head

856
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: coaches is defensive coordinator who is actually the defensive coordinator

857
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: in Arizona before James Betcher then took over for him,

858
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: And in terms of maneuvering, I wouldn't be overly concerned

859
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: because in order to leave, you also need to have

860
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: an upgrade in terms of the position more often than not,

861
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: meaning there has to be some upward movement. Well, not

862
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: necessarily the equivalency, just as a matter of procedure. Okay,

863
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: as a matter of procedure, I'm not starting a rumor here. Okay,

864
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: let's make it clear. As a matter of a procedure,

865
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: James Bacher's the Giants defensive coordinator. A promotion would be

866
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: associate head coach. So let's say Bruce Arians got the

867
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: box job and said to James Bacher, I'd like you

868
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: to be my associate head coach slash, you know, defensive

869
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: I believe I believe that would be a legal move

870
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: under the NFL nomenclature. Again, that's not a rumor, folks.

871
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm simply showing you how a procedure works, so you

872
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: know you always need to take those things into account.

873
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: Choose one one three hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. Coach

874
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: Marvin's on the line in Delaware. Coach Marvin, welcome to board.

875
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Do it very well? Marvin,

876
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Happy New year. Um well, you know

877
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about so much today. UM, I

878
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: was thinking about the little click the thing with Letter.

879
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Just a footnote, is the Patriots work interested in Kyle Letter?

880
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: That was that was a story that came out That

881
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: is true. Yeah, so there was some teams interested in him. Uh.

882
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: The other footnote when Paul was talking about the quarterbacks,

883
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: uh sitting in a year, I can agree with that.

884
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a thing of choice of what happens

885
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: depends on the team, depends on the coach, and it

886
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: depends on the two quarterbacks. That you have got guys

887
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: that said a whole year and come out and then

888
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: they're successful. You've got guys played come in after six

889
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: games then they played well. And you've got rookies that

890
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: come in and play right off the bat and play well.

891
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: So there's really no formula for And sometimes Marvin, you

892
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: don't have a choice because you really don't have much

893
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: on the roster and you figure, okay, we got this

894
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: guy number one, we might as well throw him in

895
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: because it's not like he's got to beat out anybody

896
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: worth anything, right, right, right, But I think I mean,

897
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: like you you said, uh, you know, it's a agree

898
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: to disagree, techos. Yes, there's no right or wrong to.

899
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: But as far as the draft is going, this is

900
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna be. There's gonna be a tough one this year

901
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: because I don't see any Barclay's in this draft. I

902
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys tied to the same drains,

903
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: and especially on the defensive side of the ball, and

904
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: this is defensively loaded that this is gonna go all

905
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: the way into the second round. You're gonna be false

906
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: seeing guys fall into that top tier of the second round.

907
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: The court of the quarterbacks are limited, and I think

908
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: in my choice as hacked and as I've been watching

909
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: those games, I do watch the games. I've watched Ohio

910
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: State's games and UM for kids at fifty catchdowns, that

911
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: that telling and he played some pretty good UM competition, UM,

912
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: and I think the only way you're gonna get them,

913
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: and that's gonna depend on, gentlemen, whether the price you

914
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: willing to pay, Because I believe Coughland is coming. He's

915
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: sitting right on their backs at the seventh, and he's coming,

916
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: and they and the one that also that's sitting out

917
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: there that the Dark Forces, the Denver Broncos sitting at

918
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: what I think that sense and and all of those

919
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: teams have a chance to move into that top three. Um.

920
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I think Lance was saying something about Arizona. May I

921
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: don't know, move from um Rosen. Uh well, I just

922
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: threw that out. That's just me speculating. I'm not saying that.

923
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: The speculating. That's still you didn't you didn't put no

924
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: facts to that that that's gonna right right. I I

925
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: find that high pitch that, uh, you just drafted that

926
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: guy last year where they drafted him, and then you're

927
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna give up on him. I think they're gonna bring

928
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: somebody in that feels like that they can mode him

929
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: into a player, and I think that's what they're gonna do.

930
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: But they housed the cards. I think the Raiders hold

931
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: cards because those teams Raiders make go with what Lance

932
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: said about Arizona. They kind of ship, they made do something. Weird.

933
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: Car Yeah, we don't know. I mean Growden, you never know,

934
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: he's the wild car show. He may say, you know what,

935
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: I love Haskins and I want him to be my quarterback,

936
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna move on from car We're gonna pull

937
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: off a trade, you know. You know, Marvin, it seems

938
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: that that there's a very strong sentiment around everybody who's

939
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: talking about the draft that Bosa and Williams, the defensive

940
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: lineman out of Bama, those are your top two guys.

941
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: And you're right. I don't hear anybody talking about the

942
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: potential yellow jacket like we heard from Barclay and Quintin Nelson.

943
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't, but it seems like it's those two guys

944
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: of one and two, and then after that you might

945
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: be able to go from I don't know, three to

946
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: fifteen and pick anybody alike, because there's not There are

947
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: not those four or five quarterbacks that are gonna be

948
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: in the top ten, and they are not three or

949
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: four incredibly separated pass rushers that have to go in

950
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: the top five. And I think that's what puts the

951
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: Giants actually in a good spot. And again, Marvin, don't

952
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: don't ignore the fact that Dave Gittlman has been very

953
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: active every year of his general managership, whether it was

954
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: the Giants or the Panthers of making deals involving draft picks.

955
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: I I said this on our pregame show a couple

956
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: of weeks ago before the Giant season finale. My bold

957
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: prediction was he might even trade up into the first

958
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: round and acquire a second first round pick. It would

959
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: not shock me, and I certainly believe he's gonna try

960
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: to move up and make sure he gets a third rounder,

961
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: which he's already spent to get. Sam Beale, I really

962
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: think that Dave Gentleman wants to get as many top

963
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: one hundred picks as he can get his hands on.

964
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: I really believe that because he knows that those guys

965
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: provide immediate value. I can believe that fall and I'm

966
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: with you in that. You can put me on your

967
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: in your corner with that. But I think it depends

968
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: on how Hascom does in this combine. If they if

969
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: they love has Him, I believe he's gonna do what

970
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: he hand to get them, But I don't believe he's

971
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: gonna sell the house. Now. Somebody like Jacksonville Denver is

972
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: willing to sell the house. I think the Giants are

973
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna be out of that. Ask them, um and um.

974
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: I think what they're gonna do is what you said,

975
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Then they're gonna have to look at trading out of it.

976
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: He already has. I believe three fours. I believe three fours.

977
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: I believe he's getting back into the third round, no

978
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind getting I'd be very shocked to beat.

979
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: Wasn't over the caps expert, uh value expert just put

980
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: out something the other day that said, you know, the

981
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: giants have nine picks and that they believe that they're

982
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna get they think they think they think they're gonna

983
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: get compensatories in the fourth and fifth, which would bring

984
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: them to eleven. Now that's not official, that's simply a

985
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: web story that came out from a camp analyst and

986
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: a and a draft analyst. They have nine, they have nine.

987
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: Now I think it's likely they're gonna get a tenth.

988
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: And if it's true that they get a fourth and

989
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: a fifth and they have eleven, you know that Dave

990
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Gentleman is going to try to get more in that

991
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: top three. And again I'm not suggesting he trades out

992
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: of the six spot necessarily. Maybe he does, but he

993
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: could keep the six and try to use a combination

994
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: of other picks. To get up into the top forty.

995
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: Let's say I wouldn't be surprised. I really wouldn't. Well,

996
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: And also it's unrealistic that eleven guys are going to

997
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: make the roster too, so you might as well try

998
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: to combine two picks to move up as opposed to

999
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: just stay where you are with a eleven. Go ahead, coach,

1000
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: bar that's the key Land, Yeah, you're you're at eleven guys.

1001
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: I don't believe you want to bring in eleven of

1002
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: these guys exactly in here. I think you can keep

1003
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: that six thick and pick your best guy. And you

1004
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: know what, ball, why not wait your way back in

1005
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: the bottom half of the of the first round because

1006
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: it's so loaded with defensive players. People maybe look at

1007
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: sirt round absolutely and maybe you've got a trade or

1008
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: two and one of your four's to get into the

1009
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round. Maybe you can do that,

1010
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: and then there's nothing wrong with that at all. There's

1011
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: somebody you're targeting you really gotta have, and let's say,

1012
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, you think he's gonna be a big time

1013
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: defensive player that's gonna help that need to why not?

1014
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's a maybe it's a stud tackle the stud.

1015
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: There's supposed to be some some decent, solid prospect tackles

1016
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: in the lower first round into the second round. So

1017
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: if that's where the if that's where the growth is,

1018
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: if that's where the ground is frutile, you gotta get there. Well.

1019
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: Listen to Giants got Will Hernandez this year, the Colts

1020
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: got Braydon Smith. Both of those guys exactly second round

1021
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman who have helped their respective teams now. Smolke

1022
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: says he thinks they're going to use some of those

1023
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: picks to trade to get quantity in two thousand twenty.

1024
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: I don't know that I agree with that. I think

1025
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: it's possible. I think Dave Gettleman would certainly be open

1026
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: to doing that, but I think he's more interested in

1027
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: getting picks higher in this year's draft. Right, Well, I

1028
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: got two last things the lance throughout the name of

1029
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: a free agent that needs to break in. You're killing

1030
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: me Land, you're taking all these things. I want to foot.

1031
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: Jane Ray is the one I would like to see

1032
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: come in here. M hmm, yeah, I'd like to see

1033
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: Shane Ray. Give him a shot. He's not gonna cost

1034
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: a lot. You can you can bring him in on

1035
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: a on the make the team basis. He's already on

1036
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: the back end in Denver. They're not gonna he's not

1037
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: in the lineup. And I believe they sat him out

1038
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: the last the last. Yeah, he was deactivating. He's very frustrated,

1039
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: he wants he wants out of there, so he may

1040
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: be motivated to come. So bring him in that you

1041
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: don't have to. He's got a chip on his shoulder. Yeah,

1042
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: he's got a chip on his shoulder. You you, he

1043
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: fits this scheme a heck of a lot better than

1044
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: the standard four three scheme the Giants ran under SPACs.

1045
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: This certainly would be a better fit for him. To

1046
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: bet your scheme would be much more suited for Ray. Yeah,

1047
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe that bar I believe this scheme

1048
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: will be better for him coming then at a cheap price. Uh,

1049
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,959
Speaker 1: it'll be a win win for both, pay for both

1050
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: him and the Giants. And my last but no, we're

1051
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: talking about them the pick. And I talked to Russ

1052
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: and Dave I think a week ago, and I bought up.

1053
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if Dave brought into it too much.

1054
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: Rust didn't say much. I wonder if you passed this

1055
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: to you and Lance Mike the person I see that

1056
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: just into the radar into this draft that plays quarterbacks,

1057
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna throw this name at you. I want

1058
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: you to let that kind of stimmer in a little

1059
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: bit mix solely for pimps. Take he had something like

1060
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: like Mayfell had. The guy makes his teammates play but him,

1061
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: He's not gonna light up everything. But the guy has

1062
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: no quick go back and look at the bowl game

1063
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: when he got hurt and came back in how Pence

1064
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: see came to light across him and he played that

1065
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: way with Budley. He was he would bring that team

1066
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: to life. And I think he's a dark horse. And

1067
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: where where's his where's his round value for you? Marvin?

1068
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: Where is his round value for you? What? What? What? What?

1069
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: What would you think would be a reasonable round to

1070
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: take him? Where to take him? Oh that's gonna be

1071
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: tough for the figure out where you get him, because well,

1072
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: you know what, a lot of teams don't really need quarterbacks.

1073
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: So if I can get back into the third round,

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00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: if he can last that long, maybe that third round

1075
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: because he plays her he's a tough skid. But I

1076
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: gotta see him in the condown to see what his

1077
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: value is. But I would think maybe the third round. Okay,

1078
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: And do you do you think, based on what you've

1079
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: seen of Loletta at Richmond, and of course you really

1080
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: didn't get to see much of him here, do you

1081
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: think that he would have a legitimate chance to beat

1082
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: him out for a roster spot on the fifty three.

1083
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: Those are the questions you have to ask yourself. That's

1084
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: a hard that's a very uh tough question in the hands.

1085
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: Now you know why I asked you that you've never

1086
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: really got a chance to fight. I know we've got

1087
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: a little bit glinted in the three seasons, So it's

1088
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: hard to say. And I believe from coming out of college.

1089
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: You put them both into college back and you go

1090
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: back to Lola when he was in college. I think

1091
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: Max Sally, because of the competition he was playing with

1092
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: fair propically gives him you got You gotta be pretty sure,

1093
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: Lil Marvin, because if you're going to take a third

1094
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: round pick and use it on a player of that nature,

1095
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: you better be pretty sure that he's gonna make your

1096
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: fifty three. He better be appreciably better than the guy

1097
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: you currently have. Well, you're making a mistake using the

1098
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: third round pick on him. That's a that's a that's

1099
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: a valid point. That is a valid point. But I'm

1100
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: just looking in the sense of the personnel in that

1101
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: and that this guy is a dark boys that I

1102
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: believe has the chance to be a starter in the

1103
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: NFL because of his intangibles to what he brings to

1104
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: the table. Don't look at his numbers. Look at how

1105
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: the team plays around his numbers. Don't jump off the page.

1106
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he only had eighteen touchdowns over the course

1107
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: of his past season. It's interesting you're throwing his name

1108
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: out because I'm looking at where he's projected to go

1109
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: and and this is just one website's perspective, but yeah,

1110
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: it's right, you're looking at that. Uh, the team's dynamic

1111
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: had changed. And that's not to give him any excuses,

1112
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: but also taking consideration when he played with Barty, see

1113
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: what his numbers were then and the way the numbers were.

1114
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: Just remember when you look at college numbers, Tom Brady's

1115
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: college numbers weren't. Well, there's only so much you can

1116
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: put it to. Marvin. Thank you, thanks so much for

1117
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: weighing in. Plus you know, just because he has familiarity,

1118
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: would say Quon Barkley, And I'm not saying coach Marvin

1119
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: was saying that that to me is not necessarily a

1120
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: strong enough selling point. It doesn't matter whether he's familiar

1121
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: with some of the players and so forth. But just

1122
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: to finish the point that I was going to get at,

1123
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: they project him as a seventh round undrafted free agent.

1124
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: So now I get his point about it's a guy

1125
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: that's fallen under the radar that could well, yeah, I

1126
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: mean Tom Brady to your point, went extremely late and

1127
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: look at what happened with him. But if you can

1128
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: get him as an undrafted free agent and invite up

1129
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: to camp, there's nothing wrong with that. Another wrong with that, ever,

1130
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: But I certainly if you project that he's going to

1131
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: be an undrafted free agent, then I would not worry about,

1132
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, moving up or wasting a draft pick on him.

1133
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: I was told years ago when you when you're going

1134
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: into the draft, it doesn't matter what round it is.

1135
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: You have to be pretty dawn sure that that guy

1136
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: has an opportunity too, at the minimum compete and beat

1137
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: somebody out on your roster. Otherwise, why did you make

1138
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: the pick? You might as well wait till free agency

1139
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the draft and sign the guy's

1140
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: a u f A. And if you're going to draft

1141
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: a third round, don't pick you better don will make

1142
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: sure that that guy's making your team. Yeah, you don't

1143
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: want to take a flyer in the third round. Charlie

1144
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: is in Portland's, Maine, speaking of flyers that we recommend

1145
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: we not take chances on what's happening? Charlie, Hey, guys,

1146
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: how y'all? Do I got a scenario for it? You

1147
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: love scenarios? Yes, I absolutely love them, can't get enough

1148
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: of them. What hypothetical would you like to throw our way?

1149
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: On today's program? What happens is Nick Foles leads the

1150
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: Eagles again to a Super Bowl and they win it.

1151
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: You've got Carson Wentz who's got a back issue, and

1152
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: back is you don't go away, and he's already had

1153
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: an a c L. Why would you want to keep

1154
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: a guy who's always hurt because usually when someone gets

1155
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: hurt at the beginning of their career is kind of Charlie,

1156
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Did you listen to

1157
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: yesterday's program? I feel like this is groundhogs Day. I

1158
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: take it you didn't tune into yesterday's program. Kind of disappointed.

1159
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: I thought you revolved your schedule around program. You're busy.

1160
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Excuse me, wow, I mean the fact that you have

1161
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: other priorities. A little disappointed, but anyway, no, in all seriousness.

1162
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Another caller posed this exact scenario, which we answered. Now

1163
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: i'll give you the quick synopsis answer. Okay, this was

1164
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: Paul and I, and I think Paul shares my sentiments.

1165
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: First of all, I emphasized, Carson Wentz is still on

1166
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: his rookie deal, Charlie. Okay, he's gonna enter the fourth

1167
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: year of his rookie deal. They still have the fifth

1168
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: year team option that they could pick up, so they

1169
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: don't have to make a decision on Carson Wentz this

1170
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: offseason where you gotta sign him to an unbelievable extension

1171
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: and lock him up with all that money. So there's

1172
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with you keep Carson on the rookie deal,

1173
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: which is still manageable, and then you go to Nick Foles,

1174
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: which is what Paul and I were talking about earlier,

1175
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: and you offer him maybe another one year deal, and

1176
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: he may find it appealing because he's thrived here. He

1177
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: knows the system and he may be able to start again.

1178
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember what she said. Now, yeah, yeah,

1179
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: I caught. Yeah, if Carson Wentz was at the end

1180
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: of his rookie deal, meaning if this was his fifth

1181
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: year option and he was set to be a free agent, yeah,

1182
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: it's a completely different conversation. You're not going to invest

1183
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: in two quarterbacks, but you don't have to invest in

1184
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: wents this offseason. Yeah, But the thing is is they

1185
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: might be trying to sucker team to get a first

1186
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: round pick for this guy, Wentz, and then they got

1187
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: a first round pick, they could pick up another quarterback

1188
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: to go behind Foals, and then you get rid of

1189
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback that has high potential but seems to be

1190
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: always injured. So you want the Giants to trade for Wentz?

1191
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: Is that what the point of this is? Otherwise you

1192
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: should be calling the Eagle Show, Charlie. I'm not sure

1193
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: I get where you're going or what I'm trying to

1194
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: say is Foles and the other thing with Folds. I mean,

1195
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: I think Wentz is going to be a quarterback that's

1196
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: going to be injured all the time. This guy is

1197
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: not gonna be in the league for very long. Or

1198
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: he's always going to be injured, so I would get

1199
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: rid of him. Now I can get something, and you

1200
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: want the Giants to go for wins. That's what you're

1201
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: trying to tell you. No, he just wants to get

1202
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: rid of you. You just you just think the Eagles

1203
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: should get rid of Wings, you sucker. Team will take him. Okay,

1204
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: the Giant, well, unfortunately Charlie is not a general manager

1205
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: in this league because we know that he would be

1206
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: that guy taking a first round pick and sending it.

1207
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, no, no, no, but bringing it back to

1208
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: Giants Land here in all seriousness, Okay, so I understand

1209
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: you don't think the Eagle should invest in Wentz. I'm

1210
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: following you there. Now do you think they should invest

1211
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: in Folds though? Yeah? Okay, so so you see, if

1212
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: they can get a first round pick, say for Winch,

1213
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: then they can pick up another quarterback, they can get

1214
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: somebody behind Wentz. I mean it falls wins two Super

1215
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: Bowls in a row. How can you get rid of

1216
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: this guy? So so, so this is just you talking

1217
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: about the Eagles. I guess I'm trying to ask, how

1218
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: does this affect the Giant? You just just somebody said

1219
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: that Foles was going to get traded to the Giants,

1220
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: and that ain't the Folds. Folds doesn't have to be traded,

1221
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: be a freezing, he doesn't have to be traded. Oh,

1222
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: he's a free agent because they gave it the fortune

1223
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: as yet, no way they would. We would never give

1224
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: away that. I'm glad everybody's having a good time at

1225
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: this conversation. I'm trying to make say so we finally

1226
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: got around to understanding that this is a useless conversation.

1227
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charley, Okay, thank you. I wanted to talk

1228
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: about is why are we talking so much about the

1229
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: draft when free agency becomes first? No doubt once what

1230
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: we do in free agency is going to affect in

1231
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: the draft. Couldn't agree with you more, Charlie. We should

1232
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: talk more about free agency. Who's available for tackles, who's

1233
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: available for pass rus? Is what you did today? I did.

1234
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: We got into free agency, Charlie. See, we we followed

1235
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: your rundown. We were not scaring away from your rundown. Okay.

1236
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: Part of the problem, Charlie, honestly, and and what makes

1237
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: us a little bit difficult, is because at least for

1238
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: the most part, you have an idea who's available in

1239
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: the draft, because there are the seniors, and there are

1240
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot of juniors who have already told you they're

1241
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: going to go into it. With NFL free agency, it's

1242
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: really a lot harder at the moment to predict if

1243
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: guys are even going to leave their current teams. So

1244
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: the pool of available players right now is even more

1245
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: murky than the possible draft prospect and that's what makes

1246
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: it a little bit different. Yeah, hey, Lance, I got

1247
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: a new saying for you. How about how about releasing

1248
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: and freeing two birds with one act of kindness instead

1249
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: of killing? Well, I am a negative person, so I

1250
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: like the I like the negative connotation. Charlie, Okay, you're

1251
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: not gonna get me to smile and light it up,

1252
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: but I figured Mr Nature here would would spin it

1253
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,959
Speaker 1: in his favor. I'll consider adopting Charlie. Thank you talking

1254
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: with Charlie. In Yes, Charlie's consistent because he did echo

1255
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: those same sentiments to me on Twitter that we should

1256
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: be focusing on free agency before we do on the

1257
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: traft and I agree with him. And in fairness, Paul

1258
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 1: and I had a whole conversation about potential free agents

1259
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: because one of the callers ignited that, for what it's worth, Charlie,

1260
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: I already have my list together of guys on my

1261
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: radar at the different positions who I would charge if

1262
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: I were the giants. I don't just don't think that

1263
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: right now at the moment. It's all that prudent to

1264
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: go into detail on it, because again, a guy like

1265
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: Clowney would be someone I would probably want to talk about.

1266
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: But he said, all rightly, you're getting good tag because

1267
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: so why waste time talking about them? Free agency is

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Speaker 1: also the land of the unknown. It really is. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's really too premature. A lot of teams

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Speaker 1: haven't made declarations, they haven't started their initial conversation. Plus

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Speaker 1: you know what also happens, Paul, before we wrap up

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Speaker 1: the show in that two day three day period before

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Speaker 1: you can actually sign, sometimes teams negotiate with their own

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Speaker 1: free agents, they lock them up and they never even

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Speaker 1: truly hit the market too. So no question, you're you're

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Speaker 1: talking a guy and he doesn't even leave his facility.

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Speaker 1: So that's another thing that you gotta take it to consideration. Well,

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Speaker 1: good conversation is always we appreciate the phone calls we

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Speaker 1: appreciate the tweets. Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up

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Speaker 1: to Tino, I'm Lance Matto. Enjoy the rest of your

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Speaker 1: Tuesday and stay lot always The Giants dot Com have

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Speaker 1: a good one