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Speaker 1: Taking a walk.

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Speaker 2: Your power at the local level is thousands of times

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Speaker 2: more than your power at the federal level. Not saying

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Speaker 2: don't vote in a federal election, but my call to

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Speaker 2: action for you would be go look up when your

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Speaker 2: next local election is and look at the people who

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Speaker 2: are running, because that is going to make some of

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Speaker 2: the biggest difference in your own life.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of Take in a Walk. This

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Speaker 3: is the podcast where we explore the stories, music and

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Speaker 3: passions that inspire us. I'm your host Buzznight and today

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Speaker 3: Adam met musician, activist, educator, and the AA in the

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Speaker 3: chart topping band Ajar. Adam's journey is anything but ordinary,

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Speaker 3: from busking on New York City streets with his brothers

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Speaker 3: to selling out arenas worldwide. He's help shape Ajr's signature sound,

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Speaker 3: one that's inventive and deeply personal. He's a climate advocate,

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Speaker 3: and an adjunct professor at Columbia University. Now Adam is

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Speaker 3: adding author to his list of accomplishments. His debut book, Amplify,

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Speaker 3: How to Use the Power of Connection to engage, take action,

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Speaker 3: and build a better World, is out and amplify. Adam

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Speaker 3: draws on his experience building one of music's most devoted

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Speaker 3: used to spark real world change. Let's talk to Adam

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Speaker 3: Met from Ajar right now on taking a Walk. Well,

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Speaker 3: doctor Mett, I hope you can cure what ails me.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to taking a.

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Speaker 2: Walk only if you're on a plane and I ask

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Speaker 3: Well, we have a signature question first of all, that

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Speaker 3: we want to ask at the start here. Since the

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Speaker 3: podcast is called taking a Walk, who would you like

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Speaker 3: to take a walk with?

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Speaker 4: Living or dead?

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Speaker 3: It could be somebody in the music side of things,

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Speaker 3: but doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 4: It's your imagination, it's your walk.

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Speaker 2: Do I have to talk to them while I'm walking

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Speaker 2: with them? Or could it just be a silent walk.

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Speaker 4: It could be silent too, huh.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I would want to take a silent

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Speaker 2: walk with Paul Simon and just be in his presence.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's my favorite artist of all time,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like if I humanized him in my mind,

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Speaker 2: to see what it's like to be in his presence

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Speaker 3: I like that because sometimes, you know, the bubble gets

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Speaker 3: so much to us, right exactly, all right, that's a

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Speaker 3: good one. Now do you like to walk in New

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Speaker 3: York City? Do you have favorite places to walk there?

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Speaker 2: I walk everywhere, so I'm averaging now that it's nicer

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Speaker 2: out in New York, around twenty thousand steps a day.

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Speaker 2: So I walk while I'm doing conference calls, I walk

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Speaker 2: while I'm in meetings, when I'm on the phone with friends.

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Speaker 2: I walk everywhere, and my favorite places. I live right

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Speaker 2: near Central Park, so my go to is walk out

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Speaker 3: I love great walking cities. I live outside of Boston.

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Speaker 3: Boston's a great walking city. But yeah, I mean, it

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Speaker 3: makes so much sense in New York to start walking,

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Speaker 3: because the alternative is, Okay, hop in an uber or

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Speaker 4: Sit there and don't move right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little better now with congestion pricing. It's

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Speaker 3: We have tons to discuss. We want to talk about

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Speaker 3: the great new book Amplify. We want to talk about

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Speaker 3: I know Washington Square in New York is of great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's so many memories

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Speaker 2: But I think that was probably my first impression of

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Speaker 3: Did your parents give you and your brothers a long leash?

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Speaker 3: And if so, was that key to creative expression years

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Speaker 2: They did give us a long creatively sh appsolutely. So,

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Speaker 2: But our parents were very supportive of any creative pursuit

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Speaker 3: Was there a first live concert experience that really knocked

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Speaker 2: I will absolutely never forget.

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Speaker 4: That and that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the fact that this is locked in

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Speaker 2: Right absolutely. I mean you think about Paul Simon. He

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Speaker 2: is he is very consistent in lyrics, but very he

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you. There's one of his songs.

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Speaker 3: There's so many that ring true, but there's one for

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Speaker 3: I mean, I try to think though, when he wrote that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I mean musicians, artists, sculptors, dancers, painters,

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Speaker 2: be intentional about something like protest music. Right, we need

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Speaker 2: There have been periods in time where protest music has

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Speaker 2: in terms of how we think about songs reflecting on

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Speaker 2: we're seeing artists engage with what it means to be

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Speaker 3: Love and amplify how you focus on authentic storytelling, and

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Speaker 3: in particular, you highlight a couple of people.

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Speaker 3: Certainly Bob Dylan is a part of that highlighting, but

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Speaker 3: you also highlight uh Phil Oaks as well. And you know,

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Speaker 3: Phil back then stood really in his own own, his

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Speaker 3: Here's to the State of Mississippi, and then here's Phil

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Speaker 3: using comedy and rewriting that song and creating Here's to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he but he he stood on on that

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Speaker 3: So the focus, among other things in the book Amplify

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Speaker 3: The application that you know your band applied certainly was

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Speaker 3: There's so much in the book that I think it's

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Speaker 3: So I know, as this book tour for Amplify will

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Speaker 2: It's very weird, right for an artist to say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I get from fans and from people it protests, events,

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Speaker 2: community meetings is what can I do? I want to participate?

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Speaker 2: What can I do it doesn't feel accessible to them.

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Speaker 2: Climate change is not accessible to them. It's big, it's existential.

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Speaker 2: What does one point five degrees celsius even mean?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: The people who make the decisions about the future of

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Speaker 2: your community, of your city, of your state happen at

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Speaker 2: the most local of levels. Yes, of course, every four

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Speaker 2: years we both vote for a president. Of course, every

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Speaker 2: two years we have a midterm election. But between that

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Speaker 2: there are hundreds and hundreds of elections around the country

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Speaker 2: state level, so state Senate and state Assembly, and even

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Speaker 2: more at the local level community boards. These boards make

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Speaker 2: such impactful decisions on your day to day lives. They

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Speaker 2: make decisions about zoning, they make decisions about where you're

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Speaker 2: going to put this petrochemical plant, they make decisions about

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Speaker 2: local transportation. Some of these people, when they're running in

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Speaker 2: these elections, win by ten or twelve votes. And this

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Speaker 2: commencement speech. Your power at the local level is thousands

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Speaker 2: of times more than your power at the federal level.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying don't vote in a federal election, but

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Speaker 2: my call to action for you would be go look

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Speaker 2: up when your next local election is and look at

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Speaker 2: the people who are running, because that is going to

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Speaker 3: Adam Met, congratulations on Amplify and thanks for that work,

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Speaker 3: but also all your other work and this little band

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Speaker 3: called Ajar as well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for that, and thanks for being on Taking

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Speaker 4: a Walk. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. This was fantastic.

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