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Speaker 1: is really talented, and it's deep. There's not that many

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Speaker 1: holes in it, and most of the holes or weaknesses

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Speaker 1: we see his depth. Yeah, so if you've got a

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Speaker 1: roster like that. It's a little bit like the roster

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Speaker 1: I played on for a hand full of years. Here

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Speaker 1: are the Bills. It's hard to make it. So you

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Speaker 1: get down to the fifth, sixth, and seventh rounds, you

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Speaker 1: got they literally have zero chance of making this squad.

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Speaker 1: So wouldn't would it be better? And this is where

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Speaker 1: I get into trade amp. Take those picks, package them up,

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Speaker 1: get from thirty to twenty seven, thirty to twenty five,

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Speaker 1: whatever the number is. Oh yeah, and because those guys

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Speaker 1: aren't going to make the club anyway, but you could

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Speaker 1: get a guy that could make a difference. Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: And let's also consider this fact too. Very often in

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Speaker 1: many draft years, there are teams that only have first

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Speaker 1: round grades on twenty four or twenty five. Players might

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Speaker 1: be thirty two picks in round one, but there's a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of teams that don't think there are thirty

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Speaker 1: two players but first deserving a first round grades. And

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Speaker 1: if the Bills are in that group and they're picking

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Speaker 1: thirty and they want to get a first round talent,

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Speaker 1: they may determine, hey, we gotta get up to twenty

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Speaker 1: five just to get a guy we think is worthy

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Speaker 1: of a first round grade, and that can sometimes prompt

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Speaker 1: teams also, especially if they feel they need that kind

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Speaker 1: plug and play guy, or at least a guy that

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Speaker 1: can compete and potentially win a starting job at a

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Speaker 1: particular position, they may take that route as well. Eight

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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty to get on board. Let us know

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Speaker 1: what the best part of the NFL Draft is for

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Speaker 1: you and why choices are there for you at one

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Speaker 1: bills Live or any other thoughts on the draft, Round one,

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Speaker 1: round two, round three positions, whatever it is, you can

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Speaker 1: fire them off at us at eight three fifty one

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Speaker 1: eighty eight five fifty two five fifty. Got an open

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Speaker 1: line for you. We're being to be taking calls for

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Speaker 1: at least the next half hour, so be sure to

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Speaker 1: jump on board with us if you got something you

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Speaker 1: want to share or on the tweet sheet at one

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Speaker 1: bills Live, so hit us up there as well. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to the phones and leading us off today is

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Speaker 1: one Greg in north Tonawanda, Greg and NT what do

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Speaker 1: you got for us? You're on one bills Live. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how you doing speaking of Hall of Famer Steve Yea,

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Speaker 1: too bad they don't take special teamers. But whatever is many. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. So I think the Bill should really go

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Speaker 1: big this year. They're looking to be super Bowl caliber,

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Speaker 1: So why not just to go for the pond here

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Speaker 1: Um trade with Atlanta up to number four. If the

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Speaker 1: first three teams stay quarterbacks, like we suspect, they will

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Speaker 1: then draft up. Yes, it's going to cost you a fortune.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna give up your first rounder next year, your

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Speaker 1: thirtieth pick this year, and maybe another second round or

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Speaker 1: somewhere along the line. Going Mitch Trubisky, I mean, do it.

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Speaker 1: Do whatever you're gonna do. I mean, um, Ryan's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be around forever in Atlanta. So I say this,

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Speaker 1: this Kyle fits. He's he's the guy of a lifetime,

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Speaker 1: generational guy at tight end slash wide receiver. Go for it,

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Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah, Well that's a yeah. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to get there with two. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: get there with two ones in a three two ones

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Speaker 1: into two, you're not gonna you won't make it an

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Speaker 1: that's not that's not going to happen. You have to

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Speaker 1: give up three ones a player and a two, maybe

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Speaker 1: two twos. It's it's that expensive, Okay, then do it?

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Speaker 1: Do it? I mean the future is now, and we

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Speaker 1: always talk about the process, trusting the process. Um, this team,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what they can be like three, four

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Speaker 1: or five years from now. Well, hold on now, hold

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Speaker 1: hold on, Greg, listen. We got to this point in

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Speaker 1: the AFC Championship. We got to within super Bowl, We

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Speaker 1: got to super Bowl caliber by not doing that and

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Speaker 1: making sure we stay between the lines. There's no reason

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Speaker 1: to think that now we've got to do something extra,

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Speaker 1: specially to change the course. Incredible to put yourself over

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Speaker 1: the top. The top is not that far away, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I disagree to some respect because I think this team

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Speaker 1: drafts really well in the third, fourth, and fifth round.

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Speaker 1: Says they get unbelievable people that you know, you would think,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, these guys were first to second round breakfast,

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Speaker 1: but they're not. They're Tom Brady's right, Well, I get it,

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Speaker 1: but what's but yeah, but that's you're talking out of

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Speaker 1: both sides of your mouth now, because why would you

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Speaker 1: have to do that? If you can get those guys

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Speaker 1: in the second, third round? Why give up picks? If

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Speaker 1: you draft so well to get a guy who can

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Speaker 1: only play one position, but it's a great position and

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Speaker 1: for Josh Allen it's an important position. Yeah, this guy

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Speaker 1: is definitely generational. Believe you're gonna hate if New England

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Speaker 1: takes this guy. I know about this though. I mean

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Speaker 1: we heard this. We heard that about the Howard kid

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Speaker 1: down in Tampa Bay too. Yeah, he was a plus. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was generational. I guess not now, but he was said.

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Speaker 1: That's what they said. People liked him and they thought

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Speaker 1: he was going to be the next Yeah, they thought

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Speaker 1: he was a Hall of Famer waiting to happen. And

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Speaker 1: that position, to me, has had a ton of guys

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Speaker 1: come out who looked like this guy does, and you

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Speaker 1: know they end up like OJ Howard. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: Howard played in Alabama. That's why he looked good. Um,

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Speaker 1: this guy played in Florida, which a so so team.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest. He was just okay, you know, but

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Speaker 1: he's got tremendous size, strength, skill. He just looks like

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Speaker 1: the real deal. To me, I've been watching tape for

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Speaker 1: him all over the place. Yeah, I mean, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I know he is a good player. There's no question

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Speaker 1: about it. I won't disagree with you about he's a

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Speaker 1: special talent, and yes, that phrase has been used on him.

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Speaker 1: He's a generational talent at the position. People are already

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Speaker 1: comparing him to uh, you know, Travis Kelsey. The way

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Speaker 1: he can get in and out of his routes, create separation,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. He's got an elite athletic skill set.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. And he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna go right after the quarterbacks to somewhere in

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Speaker 1: that range four or five, six seven. He's going to

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Speaker 1: be off the board. And you know you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Bills trading up. That is a monumental leap to

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Speaker 1: go from thirty to four. And you would have to

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Speaker 1: give up multiple first round picks to move to make

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Speaker 1: that kind of a move, and you know, would it

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Speaker 1: be landmark type of move, Yes, it would have The

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Speaker 1: Bills done that before. Yeah, they did it to get

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Speaker 1: up there and get Sammy Watkins. They didn't go that

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Speaker 1: far and go quite as far, but they did that

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Speaker 1: to get up to go get Sammy Watkins. And while

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Speaker 1: that was an exciting deal and everything, I mean four years,

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Speaker 1: three years later, he's out of Buffalo and that guy

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Speaker 1: looked like a can't miss and his career in Kansas

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Speaker 1: City has been Okay, he's good. He's the fourth option

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Speaker 1: there right and now he's not even there. Now he's

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore. So he's on his third team in six years.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Was the fourth pick in the draft,

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Speaker 1: fourth or third? So listen, this is my thought about it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Pitts is this generational talent. What we don't know and

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and maybe do maybe you've heard this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's He's probably a great guy. But

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Speaker 1: that's where the issues lie for all of these guys.

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Speaker 1: It's what happens to them from the neck up when

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Speaker 1: they become a professional athlete, when the pressures there, the

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Speaker 1: expectations are there, they're playing against top notch competition, and

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Speaker 1: they've already got fame and money. What happens to that

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Speaker 1: guy then, and that's the thing that sets him apart.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how it's going to affect him,

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Speaker 1: but that's the only thing that's holding him back. No

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Speaker 1: question about if anything is I'm saying, is what happens

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Speaker 1: to him when he does become a pro His talent

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Speaker 1: is there his physical ability is there, his skill set

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Speaker 1: is there? How is he gonna handle the game mentally?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna be like Larry Fitzgerald or is he

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Speaker 1: gonna be like Jadavian Clowney kind of guy? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's what the Diggins for. I mean, you got

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Speaker 1: to find out about the character the guy. Is football

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Speaker 1: important to him? Does he eat, breathe and sleep it?

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Speaker 1: Because if the guy doesn't, as Steve said on this

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Speaker 1: show many times, it's it's a sport that will either

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Speaker 1: a humble you quickly or really bring out whether or

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Speaker 1: not you love this game where you'll deal with all

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Speaker 1: of the pain, sacrifice, commitment, and everything else to keep

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Speaker 1: playing it after a couple of years. Some guys can

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Speaker 1: stick it out and do that because they love the

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Speaker 1: game that much. Other guys just tap out, just say

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Speaker 1: can't do it. And you better find out who Kyle

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Speaker 1: Pitts is as a as a person in terms of

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Speaker 1: his commitment to football, because there's no question he can

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Speaker 1: play the game, but how badly does he want to

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Speaker 1: play it weekend and week out in the league where

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Speaker 1: there are people just as big and just as fast

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Speaker 1: as him and can hit him harder than he's ever

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Speaker 1: been hit before. That's that's the rub and that's what

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Speaker 1: pro scouts and NFL college scouts get to get paid for.

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Speaker 1: And how does he handle that challenge? Is it? Does

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Speaker 1: it crush him or does it empower him to work

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Speaker 1: on his game? Yeah, because he's gonna get covered and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get man handled at times times and he'll

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Speaker 1: have some success, but it's not going to be I'll

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Speaker 1: just in finger quote, it's not gonna be easy like

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Speaker 1: it was in Florida. If it was easy at Florida,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be really difficult. Break time for us, Tom

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Speaker 1: and Buffalo Hang Tight will get to you first after

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Speaker 1: the break open line for you at eight oh three,

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Speaker 1: five fifty one eighty eight, five fifty two, five fifty

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Speaker 1: we're talking draft and what's the best part of it

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Speaker 1: for you and why. Also, we're open to any draft

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Speaker 1: player position discussions you wish to have. We'll take all

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Speaker 1: comers here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collid to Health.

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you on a Chuesday, talking

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft just sixteen days away. We are putting the

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Speaker 1: full court press on with our draft coverage here on

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Speaker 1: one Bills Live, and we want you to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it at eighth three, five fifty two, five

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Speaker 1: what is your favorite part of the NFL Draft? Maybe

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Speaker 1: it is the draft day trades. Here's the thing, Steve.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody likes trades. They're fun to talk about,

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Speaker 1: debate who got the better of the deal, this, that

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Speaker 1: and the other. But you never know when they're coming.

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Speaker 1: During the course of you know, the first half of

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Speaker 1: the season when you're allowed to make those kinds of trades,

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Speaker 1: and then you know the deadline passes, you don't really

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Speaker 1: know when one could be coming down the pike. On

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Speaker 1: Draft weekend, you know there are going to be trades,

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Speaker 1: and I just think it adds to the intrigue. That's

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that gets me going with the draft.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sure, you want to see who's going where,

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Speaker 1: you know, with the picks as they come off the

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Speaker 1: board and teams are on the clock. But for me, man,

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Speaker 1: it is the draft day trades, meeling and the dealing.

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Speaker 1: I think it Maybe you and I are media people

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00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: and we've been covering teams and we've seen so many players,

640
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: and we've talked to so many players, and you know

641
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: all of that. I think that's why Draft Day is great.

642
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: It's what happens on draft Day because in the big picture,

643
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, every player coming through is just like me included.

644
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: We're all kind of the same, right, We're another player

645
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: going to try and contribute to the team. And all

646
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: it's fun. How you get there is what that day

647
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: is all about. Why they get there and what teams

648
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: get out of it. Do they get out more picks

649
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: by trading down to you know, all of this stuff,

650
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: what happens and how we got to this point is

651
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: interesting in and of itself. With the Dolphins going from

652
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: three to twelve to six, the nine is going from

653
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: twelve to three, and the Philly and is it Philly

654
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: Philly going from six to twelve, all that stuff happening

655
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: is fun to think about it. And for me, that's

656
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: why the draft is cool because you get and it's

657
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: something that every team. It's like a game every team

658
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: plays in on the same day and it's the same game.

659
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: It's not like sixteen different games. You get to see

660
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: what all these teams are thinking at the same time,

661
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: in the same moment, when they've got the same thing

662
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: on the line. It's really interesting to me. And that's

663
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: why these trades and all of that. You get an

664
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Speaker 1: idea of the personality and where these guys and you

665
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: can even you know, you extrapolate where they were thinking

666
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: a month ago, and it's really telling about the mindset

667
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: of each team. Yeah, and sometimes it changes, especially for

668
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: you know, a team like Philadelphia, Miami or Atlanta who

669
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: have dramatically or San Francisco who have dramatically altered right

670
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: their position in the top twelve of the draft, and

671
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: so everything that they had been talking about up until

672
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: that point suddenly shifts now in a major way. And

673
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: so does everybody pick and right after them, right, and

674
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: it shifts the dynamic. Yeah, it could shift the dynamic

675
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: and the entire draft. There could be new pivot points

676
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: there at the top of the board that could change

677
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: the course of how the draft unfolds. We were having

678
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: this zation last week, Brownie, and I think I asked

679
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Greg maybe maybe it was Greg, or maybe it's maybe

680
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: it's one of the other guests about you know, the draft,

681
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: where do you think it starts, doesn't start at number

682
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: one because Trevor Lawrence is going to Jackson, Like, where's

683
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: the first pick? It doesn't started pick number two because

684
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: the Jets are gonna take Zack Wilson, probably not three,

685
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: Probably not three, but unless four or five, I think

686
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Speaker 1: is where you're looking at Lanta. At four? Do they

687
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Speaker 1: take a quarterback? If if one of the guys that

688
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: they like at the top of their board goes in

689
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Speaker 1: the first three, maybe they say so you think is

690
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: it three or four? Oh? I think the first three

691
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: picks are quarterback? The locks right? Which quarterback does then

692
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: do the Niners take? Well, I mean we're assuming that

693
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Speaker 1: Lawrence and Wilson are off the board, so then it

694
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Speaker 1: becomes who to the Niners take. I know a lot

695
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: of people are convinced they're taking mac Jones. I am

696
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: not convinced they're taking mac Jones exactly. I think they

697
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: could take Trey Lance. I think they could take Justin Fields.

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: They can't take any one of those two, either of

699
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: those two guys, And I guess you would include mac

700
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Jones in the conversation Asian, although I don't think he's

701
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: as I do not. I don't think you make that

702
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: move to get a pocket guy who you know, what's

703
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: He'm not trying to knock Mac Jones. What's Mac Jones's ceiling?

704
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: An above average pocket quarterback? Right, Like to me, that's

705
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: not why you move up to three. So that's why

706
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced there. Even if the guy's a mensa candidate,

707
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: he's not. He doesn't have the physical tools to make

708
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: use of it. Yeah, So that's why I think pick four.

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00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: You know, if Atlanta has the guys that go one, two, three,

710
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: is their top three quarterbacks on the board, and they're

711
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: not as high on the guy that they have fourth,

712
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: they might move back, they might move out of there.

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Speaker 1: At fourth Atlanta take. Then somebody else shoots up that

714
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: loves whatever quarterbacks left on the board and takes him.

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00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: So do they move out or do they take a

716
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Speaker 1: fourth quarterback? And now it's on Cincinnati to decide, well,

717
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: what the heck do you want? Do you want to

718
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: get the best tackle in the draft to protect Joe

719
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: Burrow or you want to get him the best tie

720
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Speaker 1: end in the last fifteen years and take Kyle Pitts

721
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: there at five. That, I mean five is probably the

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Speaker 1: most likely pivot point because we don't know for sure

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Speaker 1: what Atlanta is going to do in terms of quarterback

724
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Speaker 1: m So for me it's five. That's probably your first

725
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: major pivot point. But if Atlanta doesn't like what's on

726
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: the board a quarterback and they trade out, well, now

727
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: now you got a different ball game here. What if

728
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: Dallas jumps up to take Kyle Pitts and Jerry Jones

729
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: got that gets the guy he wants the title. At

730
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: least he'd be in the NFC. Yeah, but you think

731
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: better than him going to Miami. But yeah, but that

732
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: that's a that is a a large stone dropped into

733
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: a pool that makes ripples all the way down the line.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's question that's really going to change some things,

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Speaker 1: I think, because then that's one more one more, that's

736
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Speaker 1: one more more layer of the onion. Yes, yeah, eight

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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty to join us as this

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Speaker 1: discussion is picking up steam one eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty, let's go to Tom and Buffalo, who's been

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00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: waiting for us? Here? Tom, what do you have for us?

741
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: You're on one bills live. Hi, guys, I love the

742
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: show of one thing about mister Tasker there. I just

743
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: find it's incredible that he has not been put in

744
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: all the fame. You're a Yeah. I looked at your

745
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just older than the team itself, and

746
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I watched your career during the Super Bowl years and you, yourself,

747
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: on special teams made every bit as many pivotal plays

748
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: is anybody on the offensive the defense did. And just

749
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: looking at that. But I did want to call in

750
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: and talk about the Twitter poll because I agree, you know,

751
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: the trades are fun, but for me, it's the getting

752
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: the players and how this regime goes about getting the

753
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: players and how they look at him. I remember again, Steve,

754
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: when when during your era they look for smart players

755
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 1: with U I just lost the word character. Yeah, I want,

756
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: and this regime is back to that. And you know,

757
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: I like to I like to look and see what

758
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of talent they're gonna get, you know, the like

759
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: the Russ Brandon years. They didn't go for that, and

760
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you end up with guys like Aaron mabn uh flash

761
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: in the pants. That's why I'm really leariable way uh.

762
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: But you know, I like to see at the end

763
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 1: of the day, who the AFC E Scott, who we got,

764
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, how I think they stacked up you know

765
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: versus um like I didn't want e Jay Manuel. I

766
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: would refer to the year, you know, when they had

767
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: the options to get the Russell Wilson's in the mid

768
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: rounds Um, And that's you know, that's what I look for,

769
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: because that's fun to me. I just got to kick

770
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: out of it, you know, as they go through and

771
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: see who who we're gonna have, how we think they're

772
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna be and you know the rest of the AFC East. Yeah,

773
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: well thanks for the Carl, Tom, and I appreciate your

774
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: nice words that and he's right, You're right, I I

775
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm it is about the players, particularly

776
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: for fans of this and I said it earlier in

777
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: the other in another segment that you know they're for

778
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Bills fans than Bills Mafia. It's a

779
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: member of the family that they're probably gonna call by

780
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: his first name, you know, and that's that's a big day.

781
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: That's a big day for everybody. And I can see

782
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: why a lot of fans would say, listen, I want

783
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: to see who who's gonna who I'm going to be

784
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: cheering for, right And you know, you heard Tom say

785
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: himself he likes the fact that I think it's pretty

786
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: well established that Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott in the

787
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: personnel department have earned their stripes and are trusted on

788
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: the whole by the Bills fan base, Like they recognize

789
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: them as guys that know what they're doing, know how

790
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: to build a roster, know how to keep a roster

791
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: in tact, know how to make it better from one

792
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: year to the next. And so now I think it

793
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: makes the draft even more fun for Bills fans because

794
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: they're like, we got people that know what they're doing

795
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: now and they're building this thing into a championship roster.

796
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what's next. That's what it's

797
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: for Bills fans with the draft. Now, we have to

798
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: take a break, but Tom and Lackawana, Anthony and East

799
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: Aurora hang tight. We'll get to you when we return

800
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: as we're talking draft and your favorite part of it.

801
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: As we continue this discussion in a few minutes here

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Speaker 1: on One Bills Live presented by Kalida Help. It's Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. Welcome back, Chris Brown, Steve tasking with you

804
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: here on a Tuesday, talking NFL Draft and gonna go

805
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: right back to the phones and we go to Tom

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00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: in Lackawanna. Tom, what do you have for us? You're

807
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: on one bills live. Two things. First of all, the

808
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: guy who wants to go all in and use all

809
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: those draft picks, no, exactly, he can't do that there

810
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: or one injury. A whole season can ride on one injury,

811
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: and that wipes out the season. We want to be

812
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: around for years. We just gotta paid. And that means

813
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: you need to have assets to come up with cheap

814
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: replacements so that you can be a dynasty going forward.

815
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: You don't try to roll at all in one shot

816
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: just to get one player that may or may not

817
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: work out. And like I say, you're one injury away

818
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: from blowing up a season and then you're really behind

819
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: the eight ball. Yeah, I don't I don't disagree with you, Tom,

820
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: and we appreciate the call. We're a little tight on

821
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: time here. We want to make sure we get to everybody.

822
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: And there's past history to prove that. I mean, the

823
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: Saints gave up their entire draft for Ricky Williams, and

824
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: while he was a talented running back and certainly was

825
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: productive early in his career, Saintston went a damn thing

826
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Speaker 1: with him, and then he goes to Miami Theydn't you

827
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: know they didn't went much with him. Well, he has

828
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: playoffs once or twice. And that's what I said too,

829
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Speaker 1: that the thing you put all in for a guy,

830
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: what if the guy has some limitations that have nothing

831
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: to do with football. Ricky Williams had other interests that

832
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: he was into, right, So um, he wasn't really committed

833
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: to being He wasn't really as committed to being a

834
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: good football players he was. Plus he had some other stuff.

835
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was he wasn't up to being

836
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: that type of player, the leader, the face of a

837
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: franchise that wasn't really what he signed up for. And

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00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was a guy that was really unsure

839
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: about you know, he wasn't comfortable doing interviews and stuff issue, right,

840
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: And it's nothing big, I mean, it's nothing that you

841
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: know makes him a bad guy at all in any way,

842
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: shape or form. But he was uncomfortable with that and

843
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: that all got rolled into the same thing and part

844
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: of the reason why it didn't go well in New Orleans.

845
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: So um, it's a lot of investment to make in

846
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: somebody you can never really be sure about. And the

847
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: only way you really find out is once you get

848
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: into it. You know, all these problems or pluses or

849
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: minuses may manifest themselves in different ways, so sometimes you

850
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: and that's why guys like Tom Brady, guys like Russ Wilson.

851
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, these guys flourish the Matt Milano same thing.

852
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: They flourish after they get to the pros because something

853
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: clicks for them in a positive way, right and for

854
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: some guys it clicks in a negative way. Something to

855
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: try to nail down. That's that is why college shouts

856
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: make the money they do to uncover those kinds of things,

857
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: so teams don't miss on players because they don't have

858
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: the character nailed down. Let's go to Anthony and Eastore

859
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: or Anthony, what do you have for is you're on

860
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: one Bill's Live. Hey, guys, I just wanted to touch

861
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: on corner for a little bit. I think I think

862
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: we should go corner in the first round. I was

863
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: just thinking though, I think from twenty to twenty four,

864
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: I think with the Jets, the Titans, the Bears, I

865
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a run on corners. And I

866
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: think guys just think that Greg knew some and I

867
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: Fante Samuel those guys are going to be there at thirty.

868
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I think we're gonna

869
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: have to trade up to nineteen. I think his ideal

870
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: with Washington and grab one of our guys at corner. Yeah,

871
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean I understand the concern. I certainly do, Anthony,

872
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: because I think it's widely viewed that there's a top

873
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: tier of about four corners four five, yeah, with maybe

874
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: one Caleb Farley, j C Horne, Patrick Surtan. Those are

875
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: probably your top three. And then you have Greg Newsom,

876
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: Asante sam and even jac Horne or maybe it's Caleb Farley,

877
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: one of those guys had had a little bit of

878
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: had the back surgery, Caleb Farley, but he might slide

879
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: because but not much all of these guys. You know,

880
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: there's some guys up there. I think all the way

881
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: down to Asante Samuel, you're gonna get somebody who can

882
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: you think maybe you can plug in and he can

883
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: play right. And then you have a second tier, which

884
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: is largely largely considered you know, second round guys, and

885
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: our MSG viewers were seeing those guys right now. Kelvin

886
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Joseph who I believe was an LSU transferred to Kentucky,

887
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: Elijah Molden who is strictly a nickel corner and you know,

888
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid linebacker type, but a nickel corner.

889
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: H melanfon Wu is a physical freak. People question his

890
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: instincts a little bit though. And then you have the

891
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: two Georgia kids who are supremely athletic, and I think

892
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: it would be very good picks even in round two.

893
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: Problem is the Bills aren't picking until sixty one in

894
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: round two, and so now now you're in a position

895
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: if you don't get one in round one, what are

896
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: you doing? And I think the Bills, if they really

897
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: want a corner in round one, Steve, they have to

898
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: have they have to have moves already in place. They

899
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: got to be calling people like four or five days

900
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: before the draft, Hey, you know whoever it is at

901
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty four, Hey, we may want to come up to

902
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: where you guys are at you have any interest in

903
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: sliding back? And the Steelers may say, well, yeah, we

904
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: have to accumulate picks because we got to fill out

905
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: a roster with a tight cap. And maybe we'll wait

906
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: on somebody, so maybe they're willing to move back to

907
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: thirty so you can get up to twenty four in

908
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: case the run starts early, because you don't want to

909
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: get left out in the cold. If you feel you

910
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: need one. He's in round one. We're looking at on

911
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: MSG they're looking at this list of ten guys. We've

912
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: got up there the last guy on the on The

913
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: last two guys on the list are Tyson Campbell of

914
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: George and Eric Stokes. Both those guys are sub four

915
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: four forties. They're really felt they bring a lot of

916
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: All the guys on this list bring a lot of

917
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: physical ability. The only thing is it's all the stuff

918
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: we've been talking about. Are they do they want to

919
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: be great? Is football really important to them? Is are

920
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: they playing because they love it and they want to

921
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: be legendary or are they playing it because they want

922
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: to buy their mom a car? You know that there's

923
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: a big difference in those motivations and down the road,

924
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: it means something when your first round draft pick that

925
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: if you want to be legendary, you never stop trying

926
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: to get better. Ever, that's the difference if you want

927
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: to buy your mom a car as soon as you're drafted.

928
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: That's done, and you're the motivation and the reason you

929
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: did all of this is gone, and you're now you're

930
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: standing there with nothing to get you off the couch.

931
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: Guys have lost careers over that mentality. And that's one

932
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: thing you can't get to the bottom up because all

933
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: these guys are coached up. Certainly, their agent's gonna say, oh,

934
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: he wants to he's he's, nothing's gonna stop him. He

935
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: wants to be the greatest ever. He's Yeah, they'll say

936
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But that's why you go talk

937
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: to people who know him, who will give you a

938
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: straight answer, right. And that's and I'll tell you this too.

939
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: Most college coaches do their best to give the straight

940
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: answer to pro scouts because they know that next year

941
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna have another guy and they want them to

942
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: believe him, and they you know, they want to be

943
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: relevant to that and they want their guys to go

944
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: and to be successful because it helps their program. So

945
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: there's only a few coaches that don't see past that

946
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: that strategy of pumping up all their guys and saying, hey,

947
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: they're the greatest thing ever and then have none of

948
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: them make it. Yeah, it doesn't really help in the LAFE.

949
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: I agree with Anthony, though, I think there could very

950
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: well be a scenario where if the Bills do truly

951
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: want a corner in round one, they may have to

952
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: be prepared with moves up the board to try to

953
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: go get one, because there's a chance that that run

954
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: could start early, knowing there is a steep drop off

955
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: after round two at the cornerback. I think if they

956
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: do move up, that's the spot it's for. I don't

957
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: think they'll move up for an edge rusher, no, because

958
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I think there's enough the wheelhouse is down where they

959
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: are for edge rusher. In terms of value, it's a

960
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: little bit higher from where they are at corner in

961
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: terms of the value, or at least the perceived value

962
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: from those of us who are on the outside looking in.

963
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Break time for us, But when we return, it's a

964
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: guy who is going to be in two Pro Football

965
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: Halls of Fame joining us. It is the Pro Football

966
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and soon to be Canadian Football Hall

967
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: of Fame inductee one Marve Levi joins us. Next. Here

968
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: on one Bills Live, presented by Collid to Health, It's

969
00:50:42,680 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. At a Steve Tasker who has been

970
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: all over the fields. Kind of unique. He was kind

971
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: of a dual role player for you, state Steve a blimp.

972
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: We're not even in the strated fear of normalcy. Our

973
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: number two of one Bills Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

974
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: with you and joining us on the line right now

975
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: is a man who will be part of a seven

976
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: member Hall of Fame induction class for the Canadian Football

977
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. It is a guy who is already

978
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and

979
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: is now going to be one of just three people

980
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: on the planet to be in both of those respective

981
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: halls of fame. It is a former Bills coach Marv

982
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Levy joining us on the line. Marva, first and foremost, congratulations.

983
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: You know you've been down this road before with a

984
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: different hall of Fame. How does it feel to be

985
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: part of two football hall of Fames on both sides

986
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: of the border. I've absolutely overwhelmed, to tell you the truth.

987
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: I got the call not too long ago that it

988
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: was happening the current president of the Montreal Alouettes. Uh,

989
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: I think pushed for it quite a bit, and uh,

990
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm just blown away honored to be inducted. Uh. Actually

991
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: I only coached in Montreal for five years. He went

992
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: to the Great Cup Game three of those five and

993
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: one two of them. Um, and I had a wonderful

994
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: owner and the fan base was magnificent back then. And

995
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: I'm really blown away honored. The only other coach that's

996
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: been in both is uh the Minnesota Vikings, Budd Grant

997
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: and Warren Moon as a player. So I'm very honored. Yep.

998
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: More of you said, what was the um when you

999
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: took over the Montreal Alouettes? What years was that were that?

1000
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: And what what kind of shape was that Frenchies in?

1001
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Why were they looking to make a change to head coach?

1002
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: And gives give us a little insight as to that

1003
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: situation when you landed in Montreal. Well, it was the

1004
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: year there was nineteen seventy three. The year before it

1005
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: had been an assistant coach with the Washington Redskins. We

1006
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl loss to the undefeated Miami

1007
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Dolphins in that Super Bowl game fourteen to seven, a

1008
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: close one. But for many years when I was coaching

1009
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: as an assistant in the NFL, assistant to George Allen,

1010
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: there was a scout, and then eventually the general manager

1011
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: of the Montreal Alowetts named Jai Albrick used to come around.

1012
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: We got to know each other. We had good relations,

1013
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: and apparently when the head job opened there, he went

1014
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: to the owner, mister Sam Berger, and pushed for me.

1015
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: They interviewed me. It sounded great to be a head

1016
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: coach and professional football. Montreal is a very intriguing town,

1017
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: very tricking city, the multi culture of English and French background,

1018
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: and so I went up there. But they played in

1019
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: an old, worn out stadium, I forget the name of it,

1020
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: and you could hardly park there. The winners were miserable,

1021
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the Olympic Games were there.

1022
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: They built a huge stadium, the Olympic Stadium, and we

1023
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: went there. Sixty eight thousand people came to the games,

1024
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: and our teams took off from there. Our owner, Sam Berger,

1025
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: he went all out my first year there, and he

1026
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: gave a contract that's never before and never since in

1027
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: the Canadian League to that year's Heisman Trophy winner, Johnny Rogers.

1028
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: And Johnny was a great player, although he had a

1029
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: lot of emotional problems back then. Since they've been solved

1030
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: and then you know more of I'm curious because you

1031
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: know your roots are obviously in American football, how much

1032
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: how much apprehension did you have going I mean building

1033
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: teams and mental toughness and team unity, that that's a

1034
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: common theme through any sport, and those those things translate.

1035
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: But was what level of apprehension did you have in

1036
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: becoming a head coach of a Canadian team? Whereas we

1037
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: know the field is a different size, the rules are different.

1038
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: What level of apprehension did you have with that part

1039
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: of the new job. Well, actually it wasn't apprehension, it

1040
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: was some self doubts. There's so much to learn the

1041
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: size of the Canadian field. The end zones were twenty

1042
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: yards deep, they were wider. The square yardage of a

1043
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: Canadian field is more than twice the square yardage of

1044
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: what's in the US. The rule there are a lot

1045
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: of rules differences. They have only three downs. Uh, people

1046
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: can be in motion towards the line of scrimmage. More

1047
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: than one man can be in motion. A kick that

1048
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: goes into the end zone that's not a field goal

1049
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: is a one pointer. There were so many differences, but

1050
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: I went up with this belief and thank goodness, I

1051
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: believe it was right. The same things. One, if you run, throw, block, cackle,

1052
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: catch kick better than your opponent, you're gonna win. It's fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals.

1053
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: And Steve may know the focus we had on fundamentals.

1054
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: It's hard work. It's the labor in the hot sun

1055
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: during training camp. I had Bruce Smith come into me

1056
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: my office one day up in training camp hot as

1057
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: can be with the Buffalo Bills and say, hey, coach,

1058
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Yeah, Bruce, what is

1059
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: it who put the fun in fundamentals? Hard work? That's right,

1060
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: Mark you. You started your career in coaching a long

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Speaker 1: time ago. You told us a story I remember in

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Speaker 1: a team meeting one time and Chris did an article

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Speaker 1: on it years ago for the Buffalo Bills. When you started,

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Speaker 1: you told us that you would you know, saved some

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Speaker 1: money and you want their coaching clinics all over the country.

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Speaker 1: And you happen to be able to attend one where

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Speaker 1: the final speaker of the of the camp and the

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Speaker 1: seminar was going to be from Bear Bryant, the great

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Speaker 1: Alabama head coach who'd started at Tech Texas Tech. I believe,

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Speaker 1: and you had signed up for this coaching seminar because

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Speaker 1: you thought it was really high quality. But by the

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Speaker 1: end of it, camps were starting. Was late in the

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Speaker 1: summer and everybody had evacuated. So give us an idea

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Speaker 1: about this last session of this coaching clinic that you

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Speaker 1: attended and the participants that were there. Well, I was.

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Speaker 1: It was a weekend coaching clinic. It went on a

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Speaker 1: Saturday and the Sunday. There are hundreds of coaches there,

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Speaker 1: mostly from high from high schools and small colleges throughout California,

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Speaker 1: and of a is speakers Bud Wilkinson's on and the

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Speaker 1: final speaker on Sunday evening was supposed to be Bear Bryant,

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Speaker 1: the great coach at the University of Alabama. Well, we

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Speaker 1: got words that Briant his plane was delayed, he couldn't

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Speaker 1: make it, He wouldn't be there on time. If anybody

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Speaker 1: wanted to stay until Monday morning, Bryant would come in

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Speaker 1: and give a lecture that that afternoon. Well, there were

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Speaker 1: several hundred coaches, but they had to go back. There

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Speaker 1: were only about four or five of us who remained

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Speaker 1: around and we were we were waiting there. I had

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Speaker 1: been assistant I think at the time, maybe at the

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Speaker 1: you of New Mexico. We were waiting there and waiting,

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Speaker 1: and when Bryant finally came, the four or five people

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Speaker 1: in the audience and Brian said, wow, you guys stay,

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Speaker 1: that's wonderful. Come on up to my room. What are

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Speaker 1: your names? The names of the other guys were Dick Vermill,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Ross, Bill Wall and uh and and me and uh.

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Speaker 1: All of us were either assistants in high school or something.

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Speaker 1: But that's where I got to meet them. That's where

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Speaker 1: I got to meet all those guys, and uh they

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Speaker 1: were They all became members of my coaching staff much

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Speaker 1: further on later in our career. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: all of them as head coaches had at least been

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Speaker 1: to one Super Bowl. Um, because Bobby Ross got there

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Speaker 1: with the Chargers, I know, and we know what what

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Speaker 1: you Dick Vermeil and Bill Walsh obviously did in the league.

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Speaker 1: So kind of crazy. But do you think there was

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Speaker 1: the I think the one question I never asked you, Marv,

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Speaker 1: was you know, after you guys finished what probably was

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Speaker 1: essentially close to a one on one clinic with with

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Speaker 1: Bear Bryant, of all people. Uh, I'm sure you guys

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Speaker 1: talked afterwards. What were the biggest takeaways from from what

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Speaker 1: he was sharing with you guys that day? Oh, I

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Speaker 1: don't I just talked about organizing practice, says, I really

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Speaker 1: can't recall exactly it was, organizing practices, And then how

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Speaker 1: important defense was the game isn't all offense? And he

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Speaker 1: was he was a very cordial guy. And uh, I

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01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: got to know him over the years, got to him

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Speaker 1: a little bit better, and he was always very helpful

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Speaker 1: to me. Great coach. What are your thoughts these days, Marv?

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Speaker 1: As you watched again, we're about we're a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes away from the draft. What are some of your

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Speaker 1: memorable experiences here in Buffalo with you and Bill pull

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Speaker 1: We had Bill Polling on the on the show a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We were reminiscing about the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we always we all get caught up in

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Speaker 1: the draft and how this player or that player may

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Speaker 1: be the difference maker or you know, or maybe it's

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Speaker 1: it's he's not gonna be, or all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you pick a guy in the fifth or sixth round,

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Speaker 1: he turns into this superhuman athlete and it's an awesome find.

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Speaker 1: What are some of your recollections of your days in

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Speaker 1: Buffalo in the draft? Not so much on the field,

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Speaker 1: but on the days you drafted players. Oh golly, I

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Speaker 1: can remember one for instance that it was during the

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Speaker 1: previous the season prior to the draft. I came into

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Speaker 1: the office one day after practice was over and Bill

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Speaker 1: polly And said, Marvin, how would you like to make

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Speaker 1: a trade for the guy who was the number one

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft last year? But number one pick

1139
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: in the draft last year, but he hasn't signed yet.

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts got him, and I asked him what we

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Speaker 1: had to do to get the man. He said we'd

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Speaker 1: have to give up two firsts and a second. I said,

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Speaker 1: oh golly, no, we don't want to do that. Bill

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01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: kept talking till I finally he convinced me. We traded

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: for Cornelius Bennett, and one week later Cornelius was on

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: our team. About in the middle of the second quarter.

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Speaker 1: Put him into the game. First play of the game,

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Speaker 1: he sacked John Elway always looked at him like, what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Next year, the draft came. We had no first round

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Speaker 1: draft toys. We badly needed a running back. In the

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Speaker 1: first round, six running backs were selected. We couldn't make

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Speaker 1: a pick until the second round. We had to pick

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Speaker 1: some guy, some guy named Thurman Thomas from Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it works out, Mark, Yeah, you're done right. Well,

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Speaker 1: we gotta my first year there, while I was sitting

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Speaker 1: in the office one day, Golly, I can't remember this

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Speaker 1: guy's name. He was on the staff that I inherited

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Speaker 1: as I had mid season. He came into my office

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Speaker 1: and he said, Marv, the Houston Oilers have a guy

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Speaker 1: that was uninjured reserve and those days to bring him

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Speaker 1: off you had to put him on waivers. He said,

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Speaker 1: I tell you, I think we ought to claim him.

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, let's do it. What's his name? He said,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. I remember that. You know who that guy was.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you who it was. It was Joe Ferregelly,

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Speaker 1: That's who it was. Jolly. It was a tight He

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Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator my rookie year in Houston. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That it is a It still is, and it's even

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Speaker 1: a smaller football world these days. Marvin it um. It

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Speaker 1: just got a little bit warmer with you going in

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Speaker 1: the Canadian Football Hall of Him. I can't tell you

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Speaker 1: how how thrilled I am for you and all the

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Speaker 1: old guys from the Buffalo Bills. I teased Bill Polly

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks ago that if and that

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Speaker 1: if there was a Hall of Fame for the human race,

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Speaker 1: I think he might be a finalist. You've got all

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Speaker 1: of us pulling for you. Last night, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you, is this as well? Um? Last night, through coincidence,

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Speaker 1: somebody texted me that they were watching The Four Falls

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Speaker 1: of Buffalo and it's obviously the documentary thirty for thirty

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Speaker 1: documentary from ESPN that they did about the four Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls that the Bills went to. And of course you

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Speaker 1: look back on those times as I do now so many,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of three decades later, with a

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Speaker 1: lot of fondness, not so much that we lost games,

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Speaker 1: of course, but for the guys that we participated in

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Speaker 1: those games with. What are your thoughts now about looking

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Speaker 1: back and Bill's fans and you've seen a fan base

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Speaker 1: be so prideful and so supportive of a team who

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Speaker 1: did go through some rough times after those games. What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts now as you think back about Buffalo

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Speaker 1: and the current state of the team get into the

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Speaker 1: AFC Championship again. Well, all right, we changed nothing but

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Speaker 1: the fondness of memories of the players, of the organization.

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Speaker 1: It isn't just a great quarterback or a great coach

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Speaker 1: or a great team. It's total organization that wins. And

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Speaker 1: it was one fantastic organization. An owner like Ralph Wilson,

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Speaker 1: a general manager like Bill Walsh and John Butler, a

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Speaker 1: director player personnel, and then general manager. And the one

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Speaker 1: thing we did did say when I was interviewed with

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Speaker 1: Ralph Wilson, Uh, you know, what are you looking for

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Speaker 1: in players? Marvin? I outlined a few things that I said,

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Speaker 1: But we're looking only for guys with guys for high character.

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Speaker 1: Their personalities made different. Some extroverts, some might be more introverted.

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Speaker 1: But do they show up for work on time? Do

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Speaker 1: they not blame their their teammates or somebody else if

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Speaker 1: something goes wrong? And I remember those years so fondly.

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Speaker 1: Uh in Buffalo and great fans, great fans. And I

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Speaker 1: remember once after when we lost that first that first

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl game, we came back in town. You may

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Speaker 1: recall this there we were busted downtown into the I

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Speaker 1: don't know what City Hall or what. But there were

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand fans down in the square that greet us

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Speaker 1: and cheer us on and I didn't man and to

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Speaker 1: welcome back Scott Norwood and the boost his morale. And

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Speaker 1: that's when we all felt that you were pointing it

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Speaker 1: out to the fans are the reason that we will

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Speaker 1: go back. And I do remember one time on one

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Speaker 1: of my call in shows with Paul McGuire. However, after

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Speaker 1: we had lost our second Super Bowl game, I got

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Speaker 1: a call from one fan said, Coach, please don't go

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Speaker 1: back to the Super Bowl. I can't take it. I

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Speaker 1: can't stand the pain when they lose it again. I did.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to go back, please, and I

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Speaker 1: just told him. I said, sir, I understand your anguish.

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Speaker 1: I feel it, but I'm glad you're not on my

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Speaker 1: team now. Marv in reading up a little bit more

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Speaker 1: on your CFL career, I believe I read and you

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Speaker 1: can corroborate whether it's zaccurate or not. You were not

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Speaker 1: only the coach, but did you serve as GM up

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Speaker 1: there too with Montreal at the same time. No, I

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Speaker 1: was not the GM. Okay, I know you were the

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Speaker 1: GM here and I think he wanted to appoint me

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Speaker 1: as DM when Ji all Breck left. But there was

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Speaker 1: a guy in the organization we really had done it

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Speaker 1: so well, and I pointed that out to our owner,

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Speaker 1: Sam Berger, a guy named Bob Geary, and I asked,

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Speaker 1: really that Bobby made the general man okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: So I'll take it in a different direction. You did, sir,

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Speaker 1: come back here to serve as GM of the bills.

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Speaker 1: Having said, in both of those chairs and knowing the

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Speaker 1: interworkings between coach and GM from both seats, can you

1243
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Speaker 1: just kind of walk us through the kinds of conversations

1244
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Speaker 1: that those two people in those two positions need to

1245
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Speaker 1: have to make sure they're in lockstep going into a draft,

1246
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Speaker 1: for example. Yeah, well, first of all, yeah, oh, you

1247
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: talk and talk and talk leading up to the draft forever,

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Speaker 1: and you have to realize that, you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: you got a good word can relationship, you're going to

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Speaker 1: be about eighty five percent together and you might disagree

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Speaker 1: about fifteen percent. But it was so fortunate that the

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Speaker 1: trust I had in in Bill Polian and John Butler

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Speaker 1: uh to work with them, and even my brief period

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Speaker 1: back there as general manager, I had high regard. I

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: think he should have been kept longer. He would have

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Speaker 1: done better for Dick Geron. I think Dick would have

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Speaker 1: done a rising better job given the time. But no,

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Speaker 1: it can be I was fortunate the general managers I

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: worked with were we're always pretty darn good people, and uh,

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Speaker 1: some maybe try to be bullies and so on. They

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Speaker 1: have strong opinions, and sometimes you do disagree a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I can remember, speaking of disagreeing, I'm drifting a

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Speaker 1: little bit from from the question by the fire disagreeing. Um,

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Speaker 1: I remember once you remember this probably were two of

1265
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: our coaches, Tom Brest in a hand and Nick Nikolau

1266
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: got in a fight, an argument over something in our

1267
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: team meeting, and Ralph Wilson called me in and he

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01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: want me to fire them both. And I pleaded with

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01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: mister Wilson, No, mister Wilson. They're good guys, they're good coaches,

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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. And I figured I might

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Speaker 1: get myself fired by that position. And Ralph said to me, said, ah,

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Speaker 1: I still don't agree with you, but you're the coach, Okay,

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: keep me here. And a couple of years later he

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: told me they were among his favorite guys. Well, it's

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: funny too, because, yeah, those guys, I remember that those

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: guys did get into a fight, and then the next

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01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: week they're having breakfast in the hotel at the next game.

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: I mean they're you know, they're sitting down there at

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: the two of them. That's the way football is sometimes,

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01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: particularly when you're when you're passionate about it. One last

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: thing I have for Marvis as we rolled down the

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: road here, you were a head coach in the NFL

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: past the age of seventy. I think you were seventy

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: two when you coached your last season. H And Bill

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01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,480
Speaker 1: Belichick of the New England Patriots is still coaching. How

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:18,440
Speaker 1: what what keeps you know, coaches able to be energetic?

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01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: Because I just had a birthday and I'm ready to

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: retire and I'm not even sixty yet. So what what

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: keeps you guys energized? And how long do you think

1290
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: a guy like Bill Belichick? Are you even you yourself?

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01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: What kept you going for so long? Oh? Well, I

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01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: a wonderful organization. Quote Jim Kelly, Uh, when when no

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01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: one ever wants to come to Buffalo, but once they're

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01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: there and no one ever wants to leave, it and

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01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: you're an example of that, by the way, Uh some

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01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: guy from Kansas, UM But I don't know. I loved

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Speaker 1: the game. We had great players, we had a great organization.

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: The team owner made a big difference. And believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, Steve, about a year or two after I retired,

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: I sort of said, team, maybe I did it too soon,

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01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, but I need to get a deep breath

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01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: there or somewhere. Ye, marvel last one for me, and

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time as always. I know that the

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01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: twenty twenty Canadian Football Hall of Fame class, their induction

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: ceremony was postponed because of the COVID pandemic, and they're

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01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: going to be inducted August sixth in Hamilton during their

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01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game that they have between Hamilton and Calgary.

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01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: And at least from what I can read here, it's

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: saying your induction ceremony is now scheduled for Gray Cup

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Speaker 1: week in November. I'm curious, though, with the borders still closed,

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: what information, if any, have you been given about induction ceremony.

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01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: Just that that's when it's scheduled and we'll tell you

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01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: more later. You know that let us know. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: what happens, I'll be sure to bring my muffler and

1315
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: my gloves. It's in November. Up there, Marv, thank you

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: so much. Congratulations on being inducted into the Canadian Pro

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. It's a it's an honor, as

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Speaker 1: a thrill force to talk to you. Thanks for spending

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01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: some time with us today. Well, thank you and thank

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01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: you all and speaking the Hall of Fame, I'm still

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: looking forward to that day when I'm going to be there, Steve,

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01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: and you are too, and it will come, I promise you. Well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciated Mark. Thanks, Okay, thank you both. All right?

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Speaker 1: What's Marv Leavey joining us here? Now? A member of

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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: not only the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but the

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Speaker 1: Canadian Football Hall of Fame as well, one of just

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01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: three people on the planet who can say that, Warren

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01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: Moon and Bud Grant being the others. He will be

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: part of a seven member induction class in twenty twenty one,

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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: which will go in formally in November at some point

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: when the Great Cups played week American United States Thanksgiving weekends,

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: the Great Cup weekend, which is when it'll be the

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: Great Cup will be held. If the season goes off

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: without a hitch, and we'll see. And I'm I'm just

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01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: throwing this out there. We just got a promise from

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: a Pro football Hall of Famer that you'll be they'll

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01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: be in there at some point. That means yeah, well,

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01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Heaven Marvs say it means more to

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: me than when you say it puts a little weight,

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01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: puts a little weight behind it, puts a little weight

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01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: behind it. I'm not gonna I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying. Marv's a soothsayer, but he's in. He

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01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: knows what it takes to get in, and he just

1344
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: promised you're getting in. So I don't know who he

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: knows down there and canon, but it'd be pretty interesting

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: if it comes to pass. Be pretty interesting if it

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: comes to pass. So yeah, and I have no problem

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: with Marv's saying and carry more weight than me saying

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01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: and who the hell am I? Um, we have to

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: take a break, but when we come back, we're getting

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: back to our draft talk that kicked off the show.

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: We had some good callers on. We welcome you back

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01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: in with open phone lines eight oh three five fifty

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Speaker 1: one eight eight five fifty two, five fifty, six teen

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Speaker 1: days away from the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. What's

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Speaker 1: your favorite part of it? Let us know and any

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01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: other thing you have on your mind about the draft

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: and the Bill sitting at thirty and whether they should

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01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: move around. Steve actually came across an interesting trade proposal

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Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Eagles that would land Buffalo zach Ertz.

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Speaker 1: But what would they have to give up to get it.

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Speaker 1: We'll go over that when we return here on One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Collid to help. This is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Second half

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Speaker 1: of the show. Here on a Tuesday, Chris Brown, Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker with you, and we're talking to NFL draft. Open

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Speaker 1: lines for you at eighth three five fifty five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty tell us your favorite part of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. We'll get to your comments on the tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet and a little bit here, but what is the

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Speaker 1: best part of the draft for you and tell us why?

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Speaker 1: And as we said, eight oh three five fifty one

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Speaker 1: eighty eight five fifty two five fifty open phone line

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Speaker 1: for you if you want to jump on board. Steve

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Speaker 1: came across an interesting write up about a Philadelphia Eagles

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01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills trade proposal that included tight end zach Ertz,

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Speaker 1: who has been given permission by the Eagles to let

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Speaker 1: his agent seek trade partners for the Eagles to move

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01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: him onto another roster. He's got one year left on

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Speaker 1: his contract to the tune of eight and a quarter

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: million dollars. That money would probably have to be divided

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Speaker 1: between the Eagles and the team he goes to in

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, because with the restrictive cap,

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 1: I can't see somebody taking on that kind of salary

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: for a thirty year old tight end, even one has

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Speaker 1: accomplished as Arts. So why don't we run through this, Steve,

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Speaker 1: Because I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

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01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: for everybody, not only not only the Bills and the Eagles,

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: but also for Arts and what it boils down to.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles pick number twelve. That's off the table for everybody.

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Speaker 1: The Bills pick thirtieth. Now the Bill would swap picks

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles. The Bills would the Eagles second round pick.

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: The Bills would go from pick thirty and just drop

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: down seven spots to thirty seven, which is not that

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: big a thing. They'd still pick up a player that

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01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: can pretty pretty much play at that spot and still

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: get a guy then they would get obviously Ertz. The

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01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: move would bring his eight million bucks to the Bills.

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Speaker 1: They'd have to swallow that. But here's why it would work.

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Speaker 1: The Bills get a guy who's proven in the league

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01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: on a one year deal. He'll be highly motivated to

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01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: rehabilitate his career a little bit and get back on

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: the open market in another year. He would be able

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: to come to a Bill's offense that was really humming

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01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: last year and have a chance with an extra edition

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01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,919
Speaker 1: of an Emmanuel Sanders and Stefan Diggs and Cole Beasley

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01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: and the rest of the Bill's offense along with Josh

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01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: Allen to add another pass catcher to an offense that

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01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: is singing. So that would give him a chance for

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01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: some opportunities to make some big plays and get on

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Speaker 1: the stage and put his name back out there as

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: a guy who can still play for the Bills. They

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01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 1: solidify a position it's a little bit of a question

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: mark coming into the draft and without really any of

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01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: those guys being available at Bills at number thirty, a

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Speaker 1: guy who's a real difference maker right away. Even the

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01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: guys who have gone high in the draft of in

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Speaker 1: the third round, in the first round at tight end lately,

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Speaker 1: with the accept of this guy Kyle Pitts, you're never

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: gonna see those guys, you know, take a year or

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01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: two to develop, much like it's taken Dawson Knox two

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: or three years to develop. This will be Dawson Knox's

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Speaker 1: third year. To add a guy like Ertz would also

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Speaker 1: give him in a year where Dawson Knox may take

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: a substantial step forward in his third year, Ertz would

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: be right there to help him. And you could go

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Speaker 1: two tight ends yourself a lot like people are talking

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: about the Patriots going two tight ends. That would give

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 1: them some flexibility, and Brian Dabele a lot more one

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01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: more at least personnel package that he could go to

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01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: that would be really effective. The Eagles get five million

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: bucks off of their books and value speaking, they only

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01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: they move up seven spots, which is about equivalent if

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01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: you look at the draft value board, that's like getting

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Speaker 1: a mid third round pick in exchange to mid to

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Speaker 1: late third round pick. For Zach Ertz to get those

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Speaker 1: seven spots would equal that so they're getting something in return,

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Speaker 1: plus getting five million bucks onto their cap or off. Yeah,

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01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: in extra space, right. I think for the Bills to

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: do that, because I don't believe they're in a position

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: to absorb an eight million dollars salary hit on their

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01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: current cap, they would probably have to add voidable years

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01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: or do some creative contract structuring to fit him under.

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: And it's unclear like even if they were interested, would

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01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: they be interested in adding a year or two, would

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01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: they make it an option year, would they make an

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01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: avoidable year just to spread the money out. I mean,

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01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: there are enough creative ways where you can accomplish that,

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01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the year, whether he's great,

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01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: okay or lousy, you can decide whether to just lop

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01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: them off the roster and you don't have to worry

1452
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: about the cap implications necessarily. Right now, the Bills have

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01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: like four point eight million in cap space, but they

1454
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: have a draft pool that they have to sign, they've

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01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: got to and which will take about six million, maybe seven.

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01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: So we'll see. They'd have to finagle some things around

1457
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: because their top fifty urts would definitely be in the

1458
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: obviously their top fifty one even at the one year

1459
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: deal left on his contract. Now they could sign him

1460
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: to a two year with avoidable year that kind of

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Speaker 1: They could do all kinds of stuff like that if

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Speaker 1: they want, But yeah, they would have to do something

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Speaker 1: an interesting proposal. I mean, I give my k from

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Speaker 1: New Jersey dot Com a lot of credit in thinking

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Speaker 1: this through. It's it's not a bad idea. I think

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01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: if we had a normal cap year, it would be

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01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: a lot more likely to happen. The restrictive cap might

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01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: be the biggest impetus. It be the biggest roadblock in

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: the way something like that happened. For Bill fans and

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01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: I guess Eagles fans as well, it's like, what do

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: you think of zach Ertz? Basically is how how hot

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01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: you are for this deal to happen? And for Bills fans,

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01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: it's a little bit what you think of Dawson Knox

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01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: and what his upside could be. Is zach Ertz gonna

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01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: be the guy that puts this team over the top offensively.

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01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 1: Let me just this just in They're already over the

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01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: top offensively, so they don't. They don't need that. One

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01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: of the reasons and one of the reasons they didn't

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01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: run the ball. Well, they didn't try to very much

1480
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: because they were unstoppable through the air because of Josh.

1481
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: Their run game was anything they wanted. They didn't care about. Actually,

1482
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean not that that they didn't care, but it

1483
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: was not an issue. Their offense was humming last year.

1484
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: And I get it, if you're strong, get stronger, and

1485
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: Ertz may would be willing to do that. But I

1486
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: think more than anything, it gives him, gives the team

1487
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: some flexibility that they didn't have with just Dawson Knox

1488
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: and Tyler Croft. I think that would be more of

1489
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: any would be more. He would certainly be an upgrade

1490
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: that you would want to put on the field every week.

1491
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the answer. Maybe that answers our own

1492
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: my own question, because I'm thinking to myself, was Dabel

1493
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: just did he not think he would get enough out

1494
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: of playing Croft and Knox in the same game, because

1495
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 1: that essentially never happened, right while those two were on

1496
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: the same roster together over the two seasons they were

1497
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 1: on this roster with Dabel as the coordinator, what was

1498
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: holding him back from making use of both of them

1499
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: on the field at the same time. Now, last year

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01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: I understand maybe you had four wide that were just

1501
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: so damn good. That's what you go with. Gabe Davis

1502
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: was the thing the year before, though, is somewhat perplexing.

1503
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: What what kept him from making use of both of

1504
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: those players at the same time on the field, because

1505
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: if it didn't happen often and so maybe it was

1506
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: just they didn't think much of Tyler Croft. I know

1507
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: he was injured the beginning of his first year, missed

1508
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,959
Speaker 1: a good portion of the season, and maybe that derailed

1509
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: potential plans or something. Probably wasn't player they was gonna be.

1510
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: You know, at first he wasn't and they he had

1511
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: some development to do and um, and they had and

1512
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: believe me, two years ago they had issues that didn't

1513
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: relate to the tight ends. It was more about Josh

1514
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: getting better as well, you know. So, yeah, there were

1515
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on differently two years ago

1516
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: that they didn't have to deal with last year and

1517
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: vice versa. So I think you bring zach ertz on

1518
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: as in a trade from Philly. I think what it

1519
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: does do is it gives Brian day Bole in the

1520
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: offense a significant the bul the ability to change their

1521
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: game plan for matchup reasons significantly they can go all

1522
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: the way from four wide all the way down to

1523
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: two tights and be effective there through a passing in

1524
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: a passing down you know what I'm saying, Uh, that's

1525
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: big and I think that is significant. You know, I'm

1526
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: not saying that this this tight end is one tight end.

1527
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: Whoever may be is different. But they never went to two.

1528
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 1: Like you said, it was off the table for them

1529
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 1: last year. And maybe that was a little bit of

1530
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis, maybe you know John Brown and all those guys,

1531
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: they just were so good and four wide they didn't

1532
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: want to just they did never were forced to do

1533
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: anything else. Yeah, and that's there's a lot to be

1534
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 1: said for that. Let's go to the phones and waiting

1535
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: for us. There is Eric in Florida. Eric, what do

1536
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: you have for us? You're on One Bill's Live. Hey, Hi, Chris,

1537
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: welcome back, Love the show. Love listening to guys. The

1538
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: question I have is um about about the center from Alabama?

1539
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: It was Landon Dickinson. Dickerson, Yeah, you know, just as

1540
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: a as a maybe not the highest position of need,

1541
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: but I mean like with uh, Mitch Morris, I mean

1542
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: he was he sat out a game last year. He's

1543
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: at concussions. He's you know, I've heard you guys talk

1544
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: about UM. You know, are you know the run game

1545
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: maybe up and you know the middle of the interior linement.

1546
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like, what's what's the pros and cons

1547
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: of this guy? And is he not why is he

1548
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: not being considered whether our pick at thirty or or

1549
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, have some uh some set like a bona

1550
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: fide center, you know, to compete with Mitch Morrise, he

1551
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: might be Yeah, he might be considered. And I see

1552
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I agree the versatility might be

1553
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: an issue. If you're gonna come in UM as a center,

1554
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: standalone center only you, I think you've got to be

1555
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: talented enough to get plugged in and start, because I

1556
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: think he could play center and guard. Just to be clear,

1557
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean six five and change three hundred thirty three pounds.

1558
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched tape on him, and he can

1559
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: handle the big bodies inside he has He has plenty

1560
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: of the plenty of girth to handle that. And that

1561
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: may be and I think to me, he may be

1562
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: on their radar and he may be the guy they're

1563
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: gonna grab. You're right, Mitch, Morris. There is some question

1564
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: marks about him. Uh, not because of his play, obviously,

1565
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: but because of his health long term, long term, and

1566
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,440
Speaker 1: plus you know, the guy's getting deep into this contract.

1567
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to make a decision on him at

1568
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: center next year, right already? Right, So yeah, I'm I'm

1569
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 1: kind of with you, Eric. I don't think there's anything

1570
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: off off the table, particularly an offensive line. Uh. They'll

1571
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: bring in competition. H. Certainly, John Feliciano can play center

1572
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: and play it well. He has done that in the

1573
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: path past. Um. But this this guy you're talking about,

1574
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson. Um, I'm sure he's on their radar. I

1575
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: don't know that. You know, they're sold completely on getting

1576
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: a corner. But man, oh man, Uh, getting a six

1577
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: five plus three hundred and thirty pounds center helps. I

1578
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: don't think he goes in the first round because of

1579
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: the medical. Um. This guy started his college career at

1580
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: Florida State. He had a season ending ACL injury as

1581
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a freshman when he was playing right guard. The next

1582
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: year he moved to left guard, had a season ending

1583
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: right ankle injury, and then in twenty eighteen, he only

1584
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: played in two games and missed most of the season

1585
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: due to a left ankle sprain and took a medical

1586
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: red shirt. Then he transfers to Alabama and he's able

1587
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: to stay healthy, second team All acc in nineteen and

1588
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: then as a first team All American this year, but

1589
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: then has a left ACL injury and misses the national

1590
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: title game this year. So this is a guy that's

1591
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: on the road back because he didn't even work out

1592
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: at his pro day because of the ACL injury. So

1593
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's medical is going to be

1594
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: the biggest obstacle for teams, and with his injury history,

1595
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: I just can't see him being a consideration at thirty.

1596
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: And it's strictly because of the medical. There's just a

1597
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: there's a long list of ailments. And this is at

1598
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: the college level. This is before you even get to

1599
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: the NFL, which I think we would all agree is

1600
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: a much more physical and demanding game on the body,

1601
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: especially at a position like that. So I like him

1602
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: as a player. I mean, the guy was the Rimmington

1603
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Trophy winner as the best center in college football. He

1604
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 1: got the award for the top SEC blocker, the Jacob's

1605
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Blocking Trophy. He won that this year as well. So

1606
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: he had he had a great year. He just unfortunately

1607
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: had another major injury at the worst possible time, and

1608
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: I think that's what's going to push him down into

1609
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: day two. It's the medical and as we know, Steve,

1610
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: every guy is going to have every medical staff is

1611
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: gonna have a different grade on him. I wouldn't be

1612
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: surprised if he was one of the guys that went

1613
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: back to Indianapolis in April for the medical rechecks, and

1614
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: what that says is going to say a lot about

1615
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: where he goes in this draft. All Right, we have

1616
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: to take a break. Tony and Ken Moore, Hang tight,

1617
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: We'll get to your next when we return here on

1618
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health, It's Buff Bills Radio.

1619
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

1620
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 1: with you. Some interesting news coming down from the NFL. First,

1621
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler from ESPN is reporting that free agent defensive

1622
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,839
Speaker 1: back TJ. Kerry is scheduled to visit with the Bills.

1623
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Played for the Colts last year at a couple of interceptions.

1624
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: Would be kind of an interesting consideration back there, considering

1625
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: that you know, Josh Norman has not returned to the club,

1626
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: So we'll see what comes of that visit. And then

1627
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: Tom Pella Sero from NFL Network reporting the following regarding

1628
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen vaccinations for NFL employees. He said, the NFL

1629
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: informed clubs today any team employee who refuses a COVID

1630
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: nineteen vaccination without bonified medical or religious grounds will be

1631
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: barred from Tier one or Tier two status and thus

1632
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: have restricted access within the team facility and not work

1633
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: directly with players, according to sources. So that is interesting. Obviously,

1634
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: that's something that the league and the players Association has

1635
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: teamed up on to come up with that kind of

1636
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: announcement or memo as it were, that has been leaked

1637
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: to media representatives and now as being reported by one

1638
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: Tom Pelasero. Will be interesting to see where that goes.

1639
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: We do want to get back to our draft talk

1640
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: and here to do that with us is Tony and

1641
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Ken Moore on the line at eight oh three five fifty. Tony,

1642
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: what do you have for us here on One Bill's Live.

1643
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things. I have a story

1644
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: that I'd like to confirm if that we're true or not.

1645
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: And I guess it sound in the rumors stage it's

1646
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: back when OJ was with us. Okay, the his full

1647
01:29:55,479 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: accompull backs name is fullbacks Jim Braxton. Yeah, Jim Braxton.

1648
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: The nine game against the Simpson Any Bankers and OJ

1649
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: head oh probably one hundred and eighty years or so,

1650
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of yards. Yeah, Breckson was knocking the linebacker

1651
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 1: constantly down getting him out of the game. And after

1652
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: the game, the linebacker had us like a French name

1653
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: and I couldn't remember it, but he went after the game,

1654
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: he went up to Braxton and spit in his face.

1655
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: You ever heard that story? I have not heard that story,

1656
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: and it looks like it's going to remain a mystery

1657
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: because I don't know if Steve or I can help

1658
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 1: you with it. Never, I can't help you with that, Tony. Sorry,

1659
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: that's nineteen seventies, I think. Yeah, that's probably why I

1660
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: can't help you, and probably why Steve can't help you either.

1661
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: So sorry, Tony. Yeah, I have never heard that one.

1662
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: I would bet that your best source to get corrob

1663
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: oration of that story would be one Jim Braxton. That

1664
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 1: would be my best guess. So if we ever have

1665
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: him on, we'll be sure to ask him for you.

1666
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: But sorry, we couldn't help you with that, Tony. It

1667
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,440
Speaker 1: is going to be interesting, though, Steve, what Tom Pellisero

1668
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: is reporting, Um, because we've heard the back and forth

1669
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: with how far the league can push the envelope with

1670
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: the vaccination exactly, and obviously they're going to tread lightly

1671
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,799
Speaker 1: when it comes to the players. Um. Yeah, Yeah, Josh

1672
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: made waves when he was like, I don't know if

1673
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: I'll get vaccinated or not or and all the stuff

1674
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: he said and checking it out, and and anytime you

1675
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: mentioned getting it or not getting it, you're gonna make waves. Yeah,

1676
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna make waves. So this will, no doubt, you know,

1677
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: foster a huge conversation on public media too, you know,

1678
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: thumbs up, thumbs down this right. What they mean is

1679
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: tier one Tier two means that that's the guys that

1680
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: are actually in the locker room, on the field, all

1681
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: the supports staff who work most closely with the player,

1682
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: the PR staff, all the people in coaches that that

1683
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: talk to these guys, and in a normal setting, you know,

1684
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: spend the day with these guys. It's a it's a

1685
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: non issue in a normal setting, right, they spend part

1686
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: of their day standing next to these guys. All time, so,

1687
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of people in the building that

1688
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: do that most years. Last year it was a little

1689
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: bit different for obvious reasons, and it was I think

1690
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: they were headed down the railroad track at a situation

1691
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: where they were going to be a lot more normal

1692
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: this year in their day to day operations than they

1693
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: were last year during the pandemic. During the heat of

1694
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: the pandemic. They're hoping to get back to normal, but

1695
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: they're still keeping that Tier one Tier two thing on

1696
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 1: the table in case this may be a non issue

1697
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: if for some a lot of team because you know,

1698
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna get vaccinated, or you know there's gonna be

1699
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: a percentage of people who don't. So, but I think

1700
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: the league got out in front of it, and you're right,

1701
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: there had to be a conversation with the NFL, with

1702
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: the union saying okay, yeah, go ahead. I think it's

1703
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: the best thing to do. Just say, listen, everybody needs

1704
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated or you're not going to be well.

1705
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: And it sounds like the league's approach here is in

1706
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: the interest of protecting the players, because the way it

1707
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: reads it says they will have restricted access within the

1708
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: team facility and not work directly with players. So the

1709
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: confusing thing here is players are also team employees. So

1710
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: does this apply to the right or does it not. Yeah,

1711
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 1: that after given what I said about Josh and his

1712
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: stance on the vaccine or lack of thereof, that's first

1713
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: questions like, are you gonna are you gonna make players

1714
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: get vaccinated? Yeah, this seems to apply to non players

1715
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: at least in terms of how it reads in Tom

1716
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: Pells reported there, here's what will I mean. They can't

1717
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: force anybody to get vaccinated who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

1718
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: So what it mean is they won't be able to

1719
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: force the players to get vaccinated either. And if there

1720
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,440
Speaker 1: are a certain percentage or any players who are not vaccinated,

1721
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 1: they'll have to be treated with COVID protocols. If indeed

1722
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 1: that's the situation around the league, so you'll have maybe

1723
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: whoever's not vaccinated has to be separated from the team

1724
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: during meetings, they have to be separated from team, you know,

1725
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: all of that stuff like they were last year, except

1726
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: the entire team was in that situation. It'll add a

1727
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: degree of difficulty, no question about it. We have to

1728
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: take a break. But when we come back. It'll be

1729
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: time to break down some of the top defensive line

1730
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 1: talent ahead of this year's NFL Draft, and we'll dive

1731
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: into some options for the Bills pick at thirty with

1732
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: Pewter Report draft analyst John Legard, who joins us next

1733
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health. It's

1734
01:34:50,320 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio at a Steve Tasker who has been

1735
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: all over the field. Kind of unique. He was kind

1736
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: of a dual role player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp.

1737
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 1: We're not even in the strategyre of normalcy. Here. Welcome. Yeah,

1738
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: our number three of one Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve

1739
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Tasker with you, and we're here to talk some more draft.

1740
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: And here to help us do that is the draft

1741
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: analyst and Bucks writer for the Pewter Report. It is

1742
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: one John Ledyard joining us. John, thanks for giving us

1743
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: some time. Uh can you wait? And it? Can you wait?

1744
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: Sixteen more days? Are you gonna make it? Oh? Did

1745
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: we lose him? Hold on? Hold on, you're muted. You're muted.

1746
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: Think you're muted? John? Hang on tight here? Can you

1747
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: wait sixteen more days? I think I can make it, guys,

1748
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: just barely but I think I can make it. Appreciate

1749
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: you guys having me on to be able to talk

1750
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: about some of this stuff. It's not every day that

1751
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: I get to do that, and so it's always fun

1752
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: to jump on and talk about another team other than

1753
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: the Bucks. Yeah, we're sitting here neck deep in the

1754
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: AFC East. We talk about them all the time. It's

1755
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: a little different landscape now that I don't know if

1756
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: you heard about John I mean about Tom Brady leave

1757
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: in New England. Can't say, but yeah, the landscape has

1758
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: changed here. We got a couple of we got a

1759
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: young quarterback in Miami. The Jets are moving on from

1760
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 1: a young quarterback. They've got a brand new head coach,

1761
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick has seemingly spent the money to reload

1762
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 1: in New England. What are your thoughts from the NFC South,

1763
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: what's the AFC East looked like? Yeah, I think that

1764
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: it's really the Bill's time right now. The Patriots are

1765
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: trying to surge back and kind of make that not

1766
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: the case. Maybe, but I think Buffalo has been built

1767
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: the right way there as much as New England might

1768
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: have went out and spent, and they've certainly gotten better

1769
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: than they were last season. I don't think it's going

1770
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: to be enough to close the gap on Buffalo. Miami

1771
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: is trying to figure things out, for sure. There are

1772
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: some good things about the direction Miami has said it in.

1773
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: We all know it ultimately comes down to the quarterback.

1774
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: There's still questions there after the rookie season. We'll see

1775
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: how that unfolds for them as things move forward. If

1776
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: two is able to make the progress needed. Last year

1777
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 1: was rough, but it was hardly just him and so

1778
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: Miami again, I think the Jets even moving in the

1779
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: right direction, but it feels like the Bills kind of

1780
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 1: got there first to this like post Patriots, post Tom

1781
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: Brady world that the AFC East isn't. It feels like

1782
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: the Bills got there first, and they got there the strongest.

1783
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you know, two of the teams

1784
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,719
Speaker 1: in this division have a pair of first round picks

1785
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: and the Jets and the Dolphins, and the Dolphins being

1786
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: a ten win team last year, are probably of greater

1787
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,759
Speaker 1: concern to the Bills in terms of closing the gap.

1788
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: And if there's one thing that looks to be in

1789
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: their favor, John picking at six and eighteen, I think

1790
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: it leaves them at the top of the wheelhouse for

1791
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: two positions that many people think they will address, that

1792
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 1: being receiver an offensive line, because you at six still

1793
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: have a chance to get one of the top two

1794
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: receivers in the draft there, I believe. Anyway, if the quarterback,

1795
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, rush happens right at the top, which everybody anticipates,

1796
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: and at eighteen you can arguably get one of the

1797
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: better offensive tackles in the draft. It looks from the

1798
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 1: outside looking in, John, it looks like it sets up

1799
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: very nicely for some of the main areas that the

1800
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: Dolphins want to address. I was just interested in your

1801
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: take on that. Yeah, I think you're exactly right. I

1802
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: think it sets up that way. Actually for most of

1803
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the AFC North, except for maybe New England, assuming they

1804
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: would target a quarterback, they may be the one that

1805
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: has to I'm sorry, the East. New England may be

1806
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: the one that has to move if they want to

1807
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,600
Speaker 1: get kind of the best bang for their buck in

1808
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: the first round in terms of what they need. But

1809
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the East, yeah, I think it sets

1810
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: up nicely. Obviously, the Jets, you know, being where they

1811
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: are to be able to get a quarterback Miami has

1812
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: kind of moved back and then moved back up to

1813
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: put themselves in position for one of the premier offensive

1814
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: weapons in the class. Or if they wanted an offensive

1815
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,799
Speaker 1: line early, they could do that get player like Rashad

1816
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Bateman later in the first round, or its receiver early on,

1817
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase cow Petz, DeVante Smith, Jalen Wattle, one of

1818
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: those guys. Then you come back and later in the

1819
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 1: first round and you're looking at a board that could

1820
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: still have Tevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State on it. It

1821
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: could still have Christian Deisoft from Virginia Tech on it.

1822
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 1: So you're right, this is both the Jets and in Miami,

1823
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: and with both of their picks, Jets could probably be

1824
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 1: able to take a pass rusher, which they've needed for

1825
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: a long time, or a corner They need corners extremely badly.

1826
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: We don't talk about that enough. And so both teams

1827
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: should have the sweet spots for the positions they need

1828
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: right where they need him. Now, it's just going to

1829
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: be about picking the best player that's on the board

1830
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: out of the players that are there at those certain positions,

1831
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: which is interesting enough. Both the Dolphins and the Jets had,

1832
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, Dolphins with two of last year. Let him

1833
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 1: sit and watch Fits play. You guys have you guys

1834
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: have knowledge of Fits in Tampa Bay? I mean, you

1835
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: watch the guy. You know what he's all about. And

1836
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,639
Speaker 1: Tua kind of took over for him and the Jets

1837
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: move on from Sam Darnel. What do you see in Tua?

1838
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 1: So highly touted coming out of Alabama? Did not you know?

1839
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: It was an up and down He was a bumpy

1840
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: first year for him, even on a ten win team,

1841
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,600
Speaker 1: trying to and I get it too. Fits as a

1842
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 1: hard guy to wrestle away the quarterback spot from because

1843
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: he's so smart. What do you see in two? And

1844
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 1: how might Miami best serve him in this draft? Yeah,

1845
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, they've done some things already to give

1846
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: him vertical options down the field. You want to surround

1847
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: them with players that are similar, you know, to give

1848
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: him a guy like Will Fuller. It harkens back to

1849
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: some of the playmakers he had vertically down the field

1850
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: obviously at Alabama. I really think using that as a

1851
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 1: blueprint is a good idea. It seems like they've tried

1852
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 1: to do that to a degree. But at the end

1853
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: of the day, too, I'll also have to have more

1854
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: willingness to pull the trigger quicker in his progressions on

1855
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 1: some of those vertical downfield options. Bett helps if you

1856
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: have better pass protection too, So it really does all

1857
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: go hand in hand with Miami. I thought to have

1858
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: played hesitant at times and a little bit skittish at times,

1859
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: and that could very easy have been more just a

1860
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: product of his environment. The environment isn't where it needs

1861
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: to be for Miami. You know. One of the things

1862
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo did so well that should serve as a blueprint

1863
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: to teams like Miami and Cincinnati is they just poured

1864
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: resources into the offensive line, especially in free agent. They

1865
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: didn't ask, you know, five rookies to come in and

1866
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of learn how to play together, learn how to

1867
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: play in the NFL while also learning how to play together.

1868
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, they added a lot of their talent through

1869
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: free agency, guys who are veterans, who are high character,

1870
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: who worked hard, who could communicate, and they kind of

1871
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 1: made it work as a group. That to me is

1872
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: more important than the Dolphins or the Bengals or a

1873
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: team like that adding one singular piece like a Penei Sewel.

1874
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: I think you have to find ways to get a

1875
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: collective group of talent that's going to save the day

1876
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: for your quarterback and then allow your quarterback to be

1877
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: what they are what they are right now. We know

1878
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: a little bit of what toa was as a rookie,

1879
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: but we also know the environment made it very difficult

1880
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: for him. Make the environment better. Then you find out

1881
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 1: and get your answers about quarterback. If he's your guy, great,

1882
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 1: If not, you're in position. You've fortified the rest of

1883
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: the office so that when you do find your guy,

1884
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: it's in place for him to be able to kind

1885
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 1: of grow into that role. That's what Miami's got to

1886
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: figure out right now. You also touched a little earlier,

1887
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: John on the edge players that could be there around

1888
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the middle to ladder portion of Round one, and I'm

1889
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 1: not saying that that's high priority for the Bills, but

1890
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 1: they do have Jerry Hughes entering the last year of

1891
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 1: his contract. You got Mario Addison entering his age thirty

1892
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: fourth season, and while you do have aj Epinessa from

1893
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: last year's draft and some other young guys in the pipeline,

1894
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, if the value isn't there at thirty at

1895
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: corner because there's an early run or the value isn't

1896
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: there at tackle. I could see the Bills at least

1897
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: considering an edge rushing option down there at thirty. The

1898
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: question is who's going to still be there. I think

1899
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 1: there's a very good chance that ogilars off the board already.

1900
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay there are some people that really like him,

1901
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: there's some people that aren't so sure. And then Jalen Phillips,

1902
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: who proved to be a complete physical freak at pro

1903
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: day out of Miami. And we know what Jason Oway

1904
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:05,679
Speaker 1: did at his pro day, running a ridiculous four three nine,

1905
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 1: four three seven. Depending on whose watch you were looking at,

1906
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: what do you what could you see as if fit

1907
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: for the Bills four three scheme there? Well, it gets

1908
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: tricky because you said it like, there's some of those

1909
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: guys are going to be off the board, but some

1910
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: of them are not going to be. In figuring out

1911
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 1: which one we'll be off the board is anybody's guests

1912
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: at this point? I mean you have the high end

1913
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: athletic testers and guys like Jason Away and Joseph Fasai

1914
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: who are very exciting players, but the production isn't really

1915
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: there for either of them. Away had no sacks last

1916
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: year in seven games. I mean, how are you the

1917
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: most the best athlete on the field and have no

1918
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: sacks in seven games as an edge rusher. I mean

1919
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was playing another position or moonlighting

1920
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:48,600
Speaker 1: in the lineup. He was. He was a starter and

1921
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 1: he just had no set. So he's got to learn

1922
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot as a pass rusher, I think. But there

1923
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 1: are teams that fall in love with those traits. Caleb

1924
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: and Jason last year had had very little production at

1925
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,640
Speaker 1: the edge rusher position, but the rates were there, and

1926
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: he loved the game and teams were sold on it,

1927
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 1: and he ended up being a top twenty selection, I believe.

1928
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: And so that's going to be the question with OSA

1929
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: in a way to a degree. You know, what's do

1930
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: they love the game to that level and are they

1931
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: able to do you think you're able to develop them

1932
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: with their traits. You have a guy like Jalen Phillips,

1933
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: who to me is clearly the best edge rusher in

1934
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: the class. Tested great, the production was very good this

1935
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: past season. The tape was great this past season. But

1936
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: there's the early question marks, right, there's the injury stuff,

1937
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 1: there's the early question marks. What happened at UCLA. Why

1938
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,560
Speaker 1: was he stepped away from the game, you know, is

1939
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: that going to be something that comes back up again.

1940
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,600
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to invest in a first round pick that

1941
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: isn't all in, and so those things are going to

1942
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: be important. He missed the medical rechecks. I think he

1943
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 1: had COVID or a COVID concern, and so he's gonna

1944
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: have to get his medical rechecks still done before the combine.

1945
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 1: So there's there's question marks there. There's question marks even

1946
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: with Oji Laurie right now, who basically wins as a

1947
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: speed bend rusher but didn't test that well. And so

1948
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 1: what is the question marks there? When all these other

1949
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: edges are testing great? Why didn't he test as well

1950
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: when it's his tape looks like he's a really good athlete.

1951
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 1: So one of those guys will be on the board

1952
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 1: for Buffalo, no question in my mind. The question is

1953
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 1: which one, And I think all of them could fit

1954
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 1: in Buffalo's scheme to answer your question, but they have

1955
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: been a team that has prioritized run defense in the past,

1956
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: and so that to me would think maybe they're a

1957
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: little bit lower on a guy like Ojilari or a

1958
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: guy like Joseph Asai, who hasn't played that true edge

1959
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: roll quite as long, has the technique and things like that.

1960
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fascinating to see which one of

1961
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 1: those guys they liked the most from watching tape. I

1962
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: think your best run defenders probably in that point in time,

1963
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: or they give you the best combination, are probably Jason

1964
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: Away and Jalen Phillips. It just depends on whether they're

1965
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 1: on the board or not. And we know too, we've

1966
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: had we have a list that we put up about,

1967
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, about the ten top corners in this draft,

1968
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: and if the Bills do pick a number two cornered

1969
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 1: to play opposite Tradavious White, and you know, the analytics

1970
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 1: people are telling us. Now I've been on this kick

1971
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 1: that coverage is more important than pressure because the quarterback

1972
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: can always buy more time with his athleticism these days.

1973
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: So you gotta have guys on the back end that

1974
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 1: are more important. So if the Bills do do that,

1975
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: how do you rank these corners? I mean, we're looking

1976
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 1: and we've been we've had calls on this about maybe

1977
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 1: the top two or three corners who are on the

1978
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: draft board or goner, there's a run at him at

1979
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, twenty two, and I don't know if

1980
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: we might have lost, we might have lost John. Here,

1981
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna get John right back. We lost. I want

1982
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: to ask him what he sees this cornerback. Yeah. And

1983
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: here's the problem, Steve, because in that area that you're

1984
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 1: talking about, you can make a case. You can make

1985
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: a case for cornerback for just about every one of them. Right,

1986
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,679
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Tennessee at twenty two, they need

1987
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: four corners. They cut all of their corners. The Jets

1988
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: they need corners and Droves, okay, Pittsburgh they cut Stephen Nelson.

1989
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: Joe Hayden's got to take a pay cut if he's

1990
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 1: gonna stay. They need corners. Jacksonville, you can make the

1991
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: argument they need corners. Cleveland's probably the only team that

1992
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 1: you'd say they're probably okay. In Baltimore is okay at

1993
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven. But the run, if it happens at twenty one,

1994
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: twenty two and you're the Bills at thirty, you're not

1995
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: getting one of those top four corners. You're just not

1996
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, and that's where that's where it's

1997
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna begin. And I'm gonna you know, I was gonna

1998
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 1: ask him, you know, how much do this come down

1999
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: to scheme? And how much comes down to traits? And

2000
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: what a coaching staff and this is this goes into

2001
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 1: the equation too. You're gonna have a coaching staff in

2002
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 1: each of these draft rooms that is gonna say we

2003
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 1: can overcome this, this, and this in this prospect, or

2004
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 1: we can overcome that and that that prospect. And I

2005
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 1: think John actually mocked FSUs A Sante Samuel to the

2006
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 1: Bills at thirty, which a month ago would be would

2007
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: have been considered a high a high range for Samuel

2008
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 1: to be in when he was initially considered a second

2009
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: or a third round prospect. But now more and more

2010
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: of these mock drafters are moving him up, probably because

2011
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: of what they hear from NFL clubs who may have

2012
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: him graded considerably higher, and he's viewed as a as

2013
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: ideally suited for a zone scheme, which we know the

2014
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: Bills play a good deal of. But by the same token, Steve,

2015
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 1: when we got to the end of last season, we

2016
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:20,719
Speaker 1: saw that when the Bills were forced to play press

2017
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 1: man in certain situations, particularly in the chiefs AFC title,

2018
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: they had problems. So does that now change the conversation

2019
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 1: of what is acceptable to draft in terms of a

2020
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 1: skill set for a cornerback for this Bill's defense, do

2021
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: they want to have the flexibility to play more press man?

2022
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, Tradavious White can do it, but can the

2023
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 1: guy on the other side. And if you're going to

2024
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: draft one high, is it imperative that they have press

2025
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: cover skills? I wonder if that conversation the skill set

2026
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: of what you're what's acceptable for you in a starting corner.

2027
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 1: Do they need to have press man cover skills now

2028
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: so you can give Leslie Frasier more options? And it's

2029
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 1: how deep those impressive coverage skills go. Now, certainly you

2030
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:09,799
Speaker 1: get down to those guys from Georgia that ran so fast.

2031
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: Certainly they got physical ability Stokes, Campbell, Stokes and Campbell

2032
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: They've got certainly got the speed and the physical abilities

2033
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: to do it. Have they been asked to do that

2034
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 1: a lot? Have they shown the ability to do it that?

2035
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 1: Those are the questions and and also Turdavious White isn't

2036
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: one of those. It's not like an old Oakland Raider

2037
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 1: corner like you know, Lester Hayes and Mike Hayes where

2038
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna line up in your face and they're gonna

2039
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a big heel, you know, the

2040
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: heel of your hands shot to your face mask at

2041
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: the release and you gotta like shake that off and

2042
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:43,640
Speaker 1: trying to really you know, it's not gonna be you know,

2043
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 1: they don't play like the Turdavious doesn't play like that. Um,

2044
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: what's the guy's skill set gonna be? And that's and

2045
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: it's a huge issue with the corners at the top

2046
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: of the draft. They're gonna have physical traits, what's their

2047
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: skill set to go along with those traits? Well? Yeah,

2048
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: how refined are those skills? How? You know? Like Tradevious,

2049
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:05,719
Speaker 1: the reason he was a first round pick at twenty

2050
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 1: seven is because he was a polished technician. I mean, yes,

2051
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: he was quick, short area, quickness, change of direction. He

2052
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: had those things. He wasn't blowing the stopwatch up running

2053
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: four to three though he was in the four flour,

2054
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 1: but he was he was and he was also let's

2055
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 1: phase the two we they knew they kind of had

2056
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 1: a feel of who the kind of guy Tredevious was too. Yeah,

2057
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 1: he wore that number eighteen at at LSU. That means

2058
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,719
Speaker 1: something checked all the character He checked all the character

2059
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,439
Speaker 1: boxes within his intelligence, of course. And now we all

2060
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:38,639
Speaker 1: know this two four years, three years into his career,

2061
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 1: four years into his career. The guy is he's a

2062
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: phenomenal human being, a tremendous personality. You know, everybody loves

2063
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: the guy. You know, he's part of the family. And

2064
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 1: you know where we beat without our guy, right, So

2065
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 1: they got it right with him. And he's a guy

2066
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: that only checked what eight or nine of the boxes

2067
01:50:58,120 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: right instead of all ten. You know what I'm saying.

2068
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: He didn't He didn't run up fast fast would have

2069
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: been a top fifteen pick. Right. But then the Bills

2070
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: did they traded Did they trade back to get him? Yeah? Yeah,

2071
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: so they knew They figured they'd get him because he

2072
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: was probably a little They knew of the traits that

2073
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 1: he did check that that would give them the chance

2074
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: to like, we're gonna get this guy for sure. And

2075
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 1: if certain things happen ahead of us, and there's a

2076
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: couple of other guys on the on the board at

2077
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 1: corner that check out these boxes before our guy does,

2078
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 1: which they do, we can still trade back and still

2079
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 1: get our guy and that's what they did. And you know,

2080
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 1: it's a gutsy it's a courageous move to trade back

2081
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 1: because like you said, you know, Miami trades back to

2082
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,720
Speaker 1: spots and still thinks they can get Kyle Pitts, and

2083
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 1: somebody trades between those spots and takes him. It's always

2084
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 1: a risk. So we're gonna, Yeah, we're kind of missed

2085
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 1: out on John Ledyard. He kind of his internet gave

2086
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,559
Speaker 1: out on us, so we can't can't ask him these questions.

2087
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 1: But they're having trouble reconnected whether he's right. I mean,

2088
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: this skill set that he that he alludes to of

2089
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:07,719
Speaker 1: these corners and these pass rushers, he echoes the question

2090
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: marks we have about all of these guys. Every one

2091
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 1: of them has their own set of skills and athletic

2092
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 1: ability and boxes that they check. But they also have

2093
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: their red flags. Each of them have a little collection

2094
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: of red flags, and you got to sort through those

2095
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 1: panel man, it's a lot to go through. I mean,

2096
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. I think

2097
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:27,680
Speaker 1: if there's one thing that we do know, because we

2098
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to get into defensive alignment with him today,

2099
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 1: it's that the defensive defensive tackle class is poor. There's

2100
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 1: not a lot of depth to it. There's not a

2101
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 1: lot of great value on the first two days of

2102
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 1: the draft. I mean, I think you'll be lucky to

2103
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 1: see half a dozen come off the board on the

2104
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 1: first two days. That's what I was thinking, too, is

2105
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,719
Speaker 1: why why the pick at thirty may get a better

2106
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: piece of talent Because whatever defensive tackles there are, they're

2107
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: gonna have to get if they want to one get one,

2108
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get it higher than they really

2109
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't go in front of thirty. Yeah. I think in

2110
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 1: the end, though, most gms in this league a sign

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01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:04,640
Speaker 1: of value to the player, and they stick to that

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01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: value even if it's a thin class and you desperately

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01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: need one. The minute you start reaching for a guy,

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01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: that's when you get yourself in trouble. And truthfully, the

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01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: general consensus is there are only two defensive tackles in

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01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 1: this class that could even go in round one. You're

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01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: talking about Alabama's Christian Barmore and you're talking about Washington's

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01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 1: Levi on Woozerique. I got it. I'm not even gonna try. Yeah, Well,

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01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: if you looked at it, you'd be even more cross

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01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 1: eyed than I was trying to say it. But those

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01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,720
Speaker 1: two guys and they're late first round picks. Yeah, see

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01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 1: that they may not even We saw mock draft that

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01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 1: had Barmore going to the Bills, and that's how late

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01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: he's set to go. And that guy I was when

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01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:51,680
Speaker 1: they said Barmore and I'm like, yeah, get him. He

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01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get He's not gonna be there. I'm telling

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01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 1: you right now. He's up and down though he's inconsistent.

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01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 1: And we know the history with big guys that freaks

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01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: out general managers and college scouts. You know, those big

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01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,840
Speaker 1: body guys. A lot of times they're just bigger and

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01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 1: stronger than everybody else in college. Then you get to

2132
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: the NFL and everybody's the same size as you, and

2133
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you gotta work on your technique

2134
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 1: every day. You got bigger eyes leaning on you. You're

2135
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 1: wearing down over the course of the season faster, and

2136
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes those big fellas lose their motivation. Yeah.

2137
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: You look, you're lining up every day at Alabama and

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01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 1: you put your hand in the ground. You look up

2139
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:27,639
Speaker 1: and there's a guy that he's just not as good

2140
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 1: as you. Yeah, you just pancake him all day and

2141
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 1: then you sit there and the same thing you get

2142
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you put your hand the ground

2143
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: and you look up and there's a guy who's slap

2144
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: the taste out of your mouth. Right. I mean, you

2145
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 1: just don't get a free pass on any down or

2146
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 1: any play. And that's sometimes and that's part of the

2147
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: hard transition it is from college the pros for some guys. Now,

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01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: I'll say this about historically we always generalize colleges and

2149
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 1: universities like Bisiness fans when they talk about this way

2150
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 1: Jason Oway, We're thinking all they can say is Aaron maybe,

2151
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 1: Aaron maybe and Airman. They don't want any part of that. Right, Well,

2152
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 1: it happens a lot, not just to guys like that,

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01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 1: but think about it. Guys coming out of Alabama, they

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01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: get coached hard, and so this guy has probably had

2155
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 1: somebody leaning pretty hard on him to put it out

2156
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: there every day. And you know, he's been an environment

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01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 1: where they don't let guys glide. So there is that

2158
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 1: about the Alabama program. Yeah, this bar Moore kid. So

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01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 1: unfortunately we're not going to be able to reconnect with

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01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 1: John Lediard and he's having some connection problems, and then

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01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: he has another commitment at two thirty, so we'll try

2162
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 1: to regroup with him sometime hopefully before the draft, if

2163
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 1: not right after, to get a review from him on

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01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 1: that as well. Sorry, we only had a short bit

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01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 1: of time with John there. I will say this, when

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01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 1: it comes to the edge rushers, I think it's an

2167
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 1: intriguing situation because we hear all the time Steve about

2168
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 1: how Brandon Bean is all about BPA best player available

2169
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: and doesn't like to have any position emergencies, so he

2170
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 1: can adopt that strategy wholeheartedly when he goes into the draft,

2171
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: and then you bring up the various stew point round one,

2172
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,360
Speaker 1: what are the options, what are the possibilities, and where

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01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 1: the draft value is at edge rusher is right around

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01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: where the Bills are going to be picking on the

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01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 1: board based on the general assumed values we've seen around

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01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: and granted this isn't the values of the thirty two

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01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: NFL clubs, which are going to be all over the

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01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: map based on what they feel they need at that

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01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 1: position and what scheme they play. But all of that

2180
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: being said, I'm very interested to see if the cornerback

2181
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 1: run has happened and the Bills miss out on that

2182
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 1: in round one, and maybe the two offensive tackles they

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01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 1: might consider at thirty are off the board as well,

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01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: and the value at thirty is edge rusher. And as

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Speaker 1: you've mentioned, Steve, the top draft choice each of the

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01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 1: last two years has been a defensive alignment. The most

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01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 1: money being spent on this roster is on the defensive line.

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01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 1: But the fact remains they need to improve their pass rush.

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01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: Do they feel they're going to get that in year

2190
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 1: two from JP Andesa in a much improved second season,

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01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 1: or if there is a very good value at edge rush,

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01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:26,760
Speaker 1: or do they go to that well again with their

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01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: top draft choice for a third straight season, because you're

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01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 1: talking ed Oliver aj and granted round two and then

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01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 1: do they go to that well again here? I think

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01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 1: one of the things you've got to think about as well,

2197
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:44,480
Speaker 1: is every year is different. And it's not a philosophy

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01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 1: that sends the Bills to the defensive line at the

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01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: top of the draft two years in a row. It's

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01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 1: not a philosophy that does that, unless it's a philosophy

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01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 1: that says, here's where our team is right now. This

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01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: is the guy that we're going to take because of

2203
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 1: all these other things that have fallen into place. It

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01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: is lot of things like we're gonna take a big

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01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 1: guy in the draft at the top every year, I'm

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01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 1: going to take an offensive linean or a defensive line.

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01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna take an edge rusher or a defensive or whatever.

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01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: It's not that that sent them there. I think it

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01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:12,480
Speaker 1: was the way their roster sat and who was available

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01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 1: at the momentum. It's circumstance and opportunity exactly. I don't

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01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 1: think they're sitting there saying, hey, we got we gotta

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01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: fix that. You know, the defense took a step back

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01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 1: last year. We gotta do something about it. We're gonna

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01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 1: do I don't. They don't think like that. They're thinking,

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01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the best pro? Is there going to

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01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 1: be a two or three guys as well? They're pretty close.

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01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's hard to do, but you're you're

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01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 1: comparing like a corner to a defensive end or a

2219
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 1: defensive tackle or even a line but whatever. It's hard

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01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: to do that. You're you're comparing a guard, a high

2221
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 1: to a corner. That's why they do the homework. Who's

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01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the better pro? Of these two and if

2223
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 1: there's is not a significant difference, who will help us

2224
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:58,280
Speaker 1: right now? And that's who we're gonna grab. And it's

2225
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a hard comparison to make. You're this kid from

2226
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State and the Big ten and this guy from

2227
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 1: the sec plane interior line and this guy's playing on

2228
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 1: the outside. It's a hard comparison. Yeah, And the only

2229
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 1: reason I brought it up is because I think this

2230
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 1: is the kind of circumstance and opportunity that the Bills

2231
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: could be facing. Yeah, because I think that run on

2232
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: corner could happen before they get a crack at it.

2233
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 1: And I think I think some of the top two

2234
01:59:23,400 --> 01:59:26,360
Speaker 1: or three offensive tackles that they might consider will be

2235
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 1: long off the board before they pick at thirty. So

2236
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: what might fall to them is the circumstance that I'm

2237
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,320
Speaker 1: mapping out here. There may be good value at edge rusher,

2238
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 1: and if they subscribe to their best player available philosophy,

2239
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 1: it could be edge rusher again. Right, That's right. And

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01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 1: you know there's people are talking about all kinds of

2241
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 1: things about where the Bills might jump up to or

2242
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 1: jump back from. If you want to get in front

2243
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 1: of a couple of teams that you know, one to

2244
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: or looking at corners or something like that. They might

2245
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 1: have to go all the way to nineteen to get

2246
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: in front of Chicago, the Colts in Tennessee, or maybe

2247
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: it's just to the Colts pick. You know, maybe it's

2248
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 1: just the Colts pick or the Chicago pick. Who knows.

2249
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:09,920
Speaker 1: But if no corners are off the board in the

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02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 1: first fifteen or sixteen picks, you know there's going to

2251
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: be two or three of them over the next six

2252
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 1: or seven picks. We have to take a break. But

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Speaker 1: when we come back, the NFLPA has just released a

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02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 1: statement on behalf of the Denver Broncos players concerning the

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Speaker 1: off season programs which are starting in less than a week.

2256
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Speaker 1: Some interesting comments from the Broncos players themselves about the

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02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 1: upcoming offseason program we'll get to that when we return

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Speaker 1: here on One Bills Live presented by Kalid to Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: As we went to break, we told you that the

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02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: then the Broncos has released a statement through the NFL

2262
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: Players Association, and basically they are saying that with the

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Speaker 1: beginning of off season programs starting in less than a week,

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02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 1: they are not going to attend the voluntary offseason workouts.

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Speaker 1: I'll read the statement in full here on behalf of

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02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:24,080
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos players by the NFLPA. It reads as follows.

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02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,440
Speaker 1: Playing in the NFL is a dream of our players

2268
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:29,560
Speaker 1: who worked tirelessly year round to perform in America's greatest game.

2269
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: With offseason programs starting in less than a week, and

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02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 1: without adequate protocols in place, in order for US players

2271
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:37,440
Speaker 1: to return safely, we will be exercising our right to

2272
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 1: not participate in voluntary offseason workouts. COVID nineteen remains a

2273
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 1: serious threat to our families and our communities, and it

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02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:46,200
Speaker 1: makes no sense for us as players to put ourselves

2275
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: at risk during this dead period. Positivity rates in our

2276
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: city are higher than they were at this time last year,

2277
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 1: and we know players have been infected at club facilities

2278
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 1: in recent weeks. Despite having a completely virtual offseason last year,

2279
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:00,840
Speaker 1: the quality of play across the NFL was better than

2280
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: ever by almost every measure. We hold. Players across the

2281
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 1: NFL work with our union as we did to get

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02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:08,480
Speaker 1: all of the facts so every player can make an

2283
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:13,520
Speaker 1: informed decision. Steve, I believe JC Treder has also said

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02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:15,480
Speaker 1: something I don't know, did you have that anywhere I'm

2285
02:02:15,480 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 1: trying to find. Yeah, yeah, it's Oh, it's through Mike Garafolo, right,

2286
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 1: came through Garfolo, And it's basically a condensed version of

2287
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 1: what you just or an extended version of what you

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02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:32,200
Speaker 1: just said. It's a recommendation of the NFLPA based on

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02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:36,520
Speaker 1: our medical experts that offseason program that if the voluntary

2290
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:40,360
Speaker 1: offseason programs in person, players should not attend. So it

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02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 1: looks like the the memo that Tom Pella Sero from

2292
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:50,920
Speaker 1: the NFL Network released last hour, which said that employees

2293
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:54,880
Speaker 1: of NFL clubs must get vaccinated or they will not

2294
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:58,880
Speaker 1: be allowed Tier one or Tier two status, which are

2295
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:03,800
Speaker 1: the tiers the COVID protocols that work closely or in

2296
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 1: close proximity two players. So that memo that Tom Pellisero

2297
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: put out there was for non players that work for

2298
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:14,400
Speaker 1: NFL teams, people like Steven myself, if you are not vaccinated,

2299
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 1: you will not be granted Tier one or Tier two status.

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02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 1: That is enacted as a protection for the players. So

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02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 1: the NFL is trying to make moves to convince the

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02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 1: players and the players Association that they are taking steps

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02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 1: to ensure the safety of the players so they can

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02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:32,400
Speaker 1: have some semblance of an offseason program in person for

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02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 1: their coaching staffs. But now the response an hour later

2306
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 1: is pushback from the players saying, well, hold on, it's

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02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 1: not safe, and until it is, we ain't showing up

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02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,400
Speaker 1: for any voluntary workouts. And that's kind of where we

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Speaker 1: stand right now. And to take it, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a staring contest. I think

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02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at right now. Right Yeah, the

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02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 1: league is going to do what they can. Certainly they'll

2313
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:00,120
Speaker 1: get some pushback from the football end of it, saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got to do more to get our guys in

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02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,560
Speaker 1: the building. We want the guys in the building. The league.

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02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 1: I've said this before, Bronnan, the owners. I've got to

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02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 1: be sitting there going not a big deal. I don't care.

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02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:15,600
Speaker 1: Not hitting me in the pocket. Yeah, I don't care.

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02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:18,960
Speaker 1: Just get him ready, get him in July, get him

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02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,280
Speaker 1: ready for the season. I don't care about all this.

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02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 1: This is irrelevant to me. Just you know, take care

2322
02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 1: of your business, get him ready to play. And the

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02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 1: coaches are saying, listen, if we get in here if

2324
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,840
Speaker 1: and here's the thing, and you can see it from

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02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 1: both sides. Certainly you're gonna play football better if you

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02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:39,280
Speaker 1: practice more. I get it. But if everybody practices the

2327
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 1: same amount, they're gonna be just as ready as everybody else.

2328
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,440
Speaker 1: Is gonna be really competitive, are they? Though? What do

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02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:48,320
Speaker 1: you mean what's the difference? Well? I think if you

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Speaker 1: asked somebody like Joe Judge, the head coach of the Giants,

2331
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:54,120
Speaker 1: he was not happy with how it went last. Nobody

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02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:58,560
Speaker 1: cares do better. I think Joe Judge cares. Yeah. I

2333
02:04:58,640 --> 02:05:01,800
Speaker 1: was Robert slaginna feel with a roster of half NFL

2334
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: players and half non NFL players, hob set would he

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02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,520
Speaker 1: be if he did he got half the practice time

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02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 1: that the Bill's got, right. I understand what you're saying

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02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:16,120
Speaker 1: about equal practice time. I get that. I just think

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02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:18,320
Speaker 1: new head coaches are gonna want guys on the field,

2339
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:21,520
Speaker 1: even despite the success that we witnessed of the football

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02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:23,640
Speaker 1: product on the field in September last. It's not about

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02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 1: new old head coach. All head coaches want their guys

2342
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:29,440
Speaker 1: yes time. But I think think about Joe Judge, that

2343
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 1: guy was a new head coach, first year head coach

2344
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:34,800
Speaker 1: last year, didn't see or meet one of his players

2345
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,880
Speaker 1: in person until the end of July in a truncated

2346
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 1: training camp with no pads, and then had to, you know,

2347
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:45,680
Speaker 1: try to win football. I get it, he's gonna do

2348
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 1: it again, but he's gonna have to do it a

2349
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:50,320
Speaker 1: second year in a row. Nobody cares. I think he does,

2350
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, nobody, nobody, Nobody that makes decisions, nobody. He

2351
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 1: doesn't care now now, not to get a better spot

2352
02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:04,040
Speaker 1: at the Giants now this year than he was last year. Now,

2353
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 1: he's happy that the Jets are in that spot. Right

2354
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: because I play, It's hard not to feel for the

2355
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 1: coaches in this spot because I care job hinges on

2356
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 1: how well their players perform list and they don't have

2357
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:20,400
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get its brownie. The point is this?

2358
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:26,240
Speaker 1: The point is this, What if they never ever got

2359
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 1: a chance to do that? Right? But that's not the

2360
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,840
Speaker 1: case here. They had the past. The past ain't helping

2361
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 1: him now, No, so we definitely not, and neither is

2362
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,600
Speaker 1: the What are they gonna do if the union in

2363
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 1: the league say you're off limit, you can't even talk

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02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 1: to your players via zoom until July first, Well, I

2365
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:45,960
Speaker 1: don't think that will happen, but what if it did? Though,

2366
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:50,160
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Nobody cares, find a way, nobody cares.

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02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:54,320
Speaker 1: Not just I'll care when training camp hits and I

2368
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:57,480
Speaker 1: start seeing him put the helmets on, not even no, no,

2369
02:06:57,560 --> 02:07:02,360
Speaker 1: that's not even true. Then I won't care until preseason games.

2370
02:07:02,360 --> 02:07:08,480
Speaker 1: How to what degree do you feel the Players Association

2371
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:13,600
Speaker 1: and the players are using the circumstances of the pandemic

2372
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:18,800
Speaker 1: to their advantage now? Well one hundred percent. Yes, absolutely,

2373
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:23,080
Speaker 1: clubs too. This is are opening the own your owners too,

2374
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,160
Speaker 1: but you're are opening to curb the off season program

2375
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:30,080
Speaker 1: to yaw, we're liking after the owners got almost everything

2376
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: they wanted in the new CBA, and we're going to

2377
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,560
Speaker 1: put our foot down on this at least. And I

2378
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 1: think it's a good move. I don't have a problem

2379
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:38,720
Speaker 1: with it. I didn't say I had a problem with

2380
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:40,920
Speaker 1: it either, But I think they're using the pandemic as

2381
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 1: a as a lever to get what they want. Let's

2382
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:46,840
Speaker 1: find in the offseas finest negotiation. Let them do that.

2383
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:49,640
Speaker 1: And here's the thing as well, the owners. For the owners,

2384
02:07:50,040 --> 02:07:53,760
Speaker 1: they got the hammer whatever has not been all they

2385
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,320
Speaker 1: have to say listen, if you do ABC and D,

2386
02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:58,839
Speaker 1: we'll give you another percentage and a half the grosser revenues.

2387
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:01,960
Speaker 1: Thanks and this and the y. They couldn't. They will

2388
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:05,320
Speaker 1: break their arm trying to sign that thing so fast.

2389
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:10,080
Speaker 1: And I think the product clearly did not suffer on

2390
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:12,880
Speaker 1: the field last year, and I think owners are probably

2391
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: have probably softened on digging their heels in on having

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02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:19,760
Speaker 1: a full offseason program. As you said, it's not gonna

2393
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: hit it. If anything, they're gonna save money. That's rather,

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02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 1: they're not feeding players on campus two with two three

2395
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:26,840
Speaker 1: meals a day. Who do you think travel? Who do

2396
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:31,480
Speaker 1: you think pay? I mean players got to travel in Yeah,

2397
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean housing, right, I mean it's it's just it's

2398
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 1: nothing but expense and hotel expense. The players aren't. I mean,

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02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:43,480
Speaker 1: I just maybe they don't. Maybe the players do pay

2400
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:46,920
Speaker 1: their own hotel expenses when they're in town for these OTAs.

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02:08:47,480 --> 02:08:51,480
Speaker 1: I kind of doubt it. Yeah, I can't speak to

2402
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:53,720
Speaker 1: how that. Maybe they do. I don't know, maybe they do.

2403
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why that they get a stipend. I

2404
02:08:55,280 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 1: want to say, I don't know either way, Brownie, literally,

2405
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:06,000
Speaker 1: you me, the fans, anybody else, and the owners and

2406
02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:08,880
Speaker 1: the players they don't care. Yeah, they just you know,

2407
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,920
Speaker 1: just get me. All the owner cares about is how

2408
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,360
Speaker 1: it looks on Sunday. That's right, Get my team ready

2409
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 1: to play. You You there, Sean McDermott, You there, Bill Belichick,

2410
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:20,480
Speaker 1: Just so you know, it's gonna be a lot harder

2411
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 1: to get him to look the way you want him

2412
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 1: too if we don't have a B and C. And

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02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:25,720
Speaker 1: then you know, the owner's answer to that is, how's

2414
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:31,920
Speaker 1: come that guy did it? Yeah, Broce Leeve, that guy.

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02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:34,120
Speaker 1: That team looks pretty good. That team that just thumped

2416
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 1: you thirty five? Nothing they got ready? What's your problem? Yeah,

2417
02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:39,360
Speaker 1: what's your excuse? So you know that that didn't That

2418
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't fly, Yeah, that doesn't fly. That if as long

2419
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 1: as nobody, as long as all thirty two teams abide

2420
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:52,040
Speaker 1: by the same rules and same time limits, same at

2421
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:54,960
Speaker 1: nobody cares. Because I'll tell you what, when these guys

2422
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 1: hit the field, the fangs are out, the claws are out,

2423
02:09:57,480 --> 02:09:59,440
Speaker 1: and they're playing for keeps and that's all you want

2424
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,760
Speaker 1: to see. It's gonna be interesting to see where that goes.

2425
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:05,080
Speaker 1: Because we have a we have a full on staring

2426
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: contest going on. Now, and I don't know if it's

2427
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 1: going to change. They're staring over a checkerboard. Nobody cares. Yeah,

2428
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 1: you know they're they're checkers on the back porch. Yeah,

2429
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 1: we should also mention this. Erie County Executive Mark polling

2430
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 1: Cars appeared on actually wgr sister station WBN this afternoon,

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02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:28,120
Speaker 1: and when he was asked about fans in the stands

2432
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:33,000
Speaker 1: at high Mark Stadium this fall, he said the following.

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02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:36,640
Speaker 1: This is according to wbn's Twitter handle. We support fans

2434
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:40,080
Speaker 1: returning to him Mark Stadium in the fall at full capacity.

2435
02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:44,040
Speaker 1: We want all fans and staff to be fully vaccinated.

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02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 1: Our plan is that unless you are vaccinated, you will

2437
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 1: not have entry to the stadium. It is easy and safe.

2438
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:56,960
Speaker 1: Hard to argue with that, but that means if you're

2439
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,040
Speaker 1: a season ticket member, you're gonna have to be vaccinated.

2440
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:01,560
Speaker 1: That's what's sounding like here. Let'll just see how it

2441
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:03,520
Speaker 1: plays out. I don't have a voice. I have a

2442
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:07,400
Speaker 1: voice in the conversation. My voice, I mean, you listen

2443
02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if anybody else is out

2444
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:11,720
Speaker 1: there right, Some people listen, listen. I don't even get

2445
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:15,480
Speaker 1: listened to in my own house sometimes, So I'm not myself.

2446
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is let's just get there and see

2447
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:20,360
Speaker 1: how it works out. Yeah, you know, it's interesting that that.

2448
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think any of us are surprised

2449
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:25,720
Speaker 1: that that's the intent right to have fully vaccinated fans

2450
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:29,040
Speaker 1: in the stands. I think we all could have anticipated

2451
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:33,200
Speaker 1: that being one of the stipulations, but just wanted to

2452
02:11:33,240 --> 02:11:35,440
Speaker 1: pass along to you. Nonetheless, break time for us when

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02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:37,760
Speaker 1: Steve and I return. We close it up here on

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02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 1: a Tuesday fun NFL Draft talk today and some NFLPA

2455
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:45,160
Speaker 1: stuff coming up with the offseason programs as well. We'll

2456
02:11:45,400 --> 02:11:47,600
Speaker 1: finish it up when we return here on One Bill's

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that are listeners and viewers on

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Speaker 1: Twitter have helped us find the answer to the Jim

2462
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:23,080
Speaker 1: Braxton question that one of our callers asked earlier. This

2463
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:28,080
Speaker 1: is coming from Joe bad on Twitter, who says November nineteenth,

2464
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:32,840
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, Cincinnati linebacker al Bo Schamp spit in

2465
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,680
Speaker 1: the face of Bill's fullback Jim Braxton when heading to

2466
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 1: the bench. And this is according to various Buffalo players,

2467
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 1: so more than one eyewitness account. Al Bo Schamp, there's

2468
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 1: your answer, and that it did happen. So that's about

2469
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:49,440
Speaker 1: as good as we can get. Since I'm talking to

2470
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:52,120
Speaker 1: Jim Braxton. Isn't possible he passed away several years ago.

2471
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: I was not aware of that. I am aware of

2472
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:58,200
Speaker 1: that now. That's not an option. I'm mom, and I'm

2473
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, gonna go out on a limb and just

2474
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,000
Speaker 1: say that that's probably not the first time somebody spit

2475
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:05,839
Speaker 1: on somebody in a football game, or it is not. Yeah,

2476
02:13:05,880 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 1: it is not, and so hopefully it's one of the last.

2477
02:13:08,600 --> 02:13:12,000
Speaker 1: But you never know. Yeah, motions boil over, Yes they do.

2478
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,240
Speaker 1: It's a different, different game. And I'll say I've said

2479
02:13:14,240 --> 02:13:16,440
Speaker 1: it before. You go back and look at those games

2480
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:20,240
Speaker 1: films from the sixties and seventies. I'm brownie. It is

2481
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:24,720
Speaker 1: an absolute bar fight. I don't know how anybody's clotheslining.

2482
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:28,800
Speaker 1: People do whatever you want it land. It is unbelieving.

2483
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:32,720
Speaker 1: They're wearing cardboard pads. I mean, it's like nothing. It's

2484
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:36,360
Speaker 1: I can't I can't. I am so indebted to those

2485
02:13:36,360 --> 02:13:38,720
Speaker 1: guys for the sacrifices they made to advance the game.

2486
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:43,560
Speaker 1: And you know, and every generation kind of builds is

2487
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 1: built upon by the past. But man, oh man, I

2488
02:13:45,480 --> 02:13:47,240
Speaker 1: really appreciate those guys because I go back and look

2489
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 1: at and go Brossleep. I can't. I could not do it. Yeah.

2490
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:54,320
Speaker 1: One other fan asking, did anyone ask about kids at

2491
02:13:54,360 --> 02:13:57,360
Speaker 1: Bill's games? As we mentioned, Mark Poland cards Sweet saying

2492
02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 1: that they expect full capacity, but you have to be vaccinated.

2493
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:03,400
Speaker 1: Those details have not been ironed out yet. We imagine

2494
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:05,280
Speaker 1: they will be in the coming months. We're in the

2495
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:08,080
Speaker 1: very early stages. Steve and I back tomorrow for a

2496
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:11,200
Speaker 1: Wednesday edition more draft talk for sure. We'll see you then.