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Speaker 2: So joining me.

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Speaker 1: Now is somebody that some of you may listen to

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Speaker 1: and bubbles live these days. It's Clay Travis. Otherwise, some

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Speaker 2: So here we are, Clay. I appreciate you coming on

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Speaker 2: the podcast. Well, thank you. For having me on. Yes,

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Speaker 2: hopefully the colonials of you returning to the NCAA tournament

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Speaker 1: Is there a one of the things you noted is

438
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Speaker 1: how with sports there's you know, the scoreboard is the

439
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Speaker 1: ultimate yeah, arbiter. What could we do in the world

440
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Speaker 1: of politics and government to bring that to bring that

441
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Speaker 1: kind of Is it possible or should it not be?

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Speaker 1: Should it always be? Because ultimately, in a democracy, there's

443
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Speaker 1: never going to be one hundred percent consensus. If you

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Speaker 1: have it, you're probably not living in a democracy. So

445
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Speaker 1: are we Just does everybody need to accept the premise that,

446
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Speaker 1: guess what, sometimes you're on the sixty percent side and

447
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Speaker 1: sometimes you're on the forty percent side, Welcome to America.

448
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Speaker 1: Or do we need a better way to cover politics

449
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Speaker 1: that creates a.

450
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Speaker 2: That allows people to see what's right and what's trump.

451
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Speaker 2: I think the distinction between fact and opinion is one

452
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Speaker 2: that is not established as well as it could be.

453
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Speaker 2: To me, you may disagree with a ton of my opinions.

454
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Speaker 2: That's healthy, that's happy, like, let's go. But if I

455
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Speaker 2: get a factor wrong, I feel sick to my stomach.

456
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Speaker 2: So because to me, opinions are only as good as

457
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Speaker 2: the facts upon which they're based. And so I think

458
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Speaker 2: and again there, I think a lot of times even

459
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Speaker 2: the fact checkers very vere into the opinion space. But

460
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Speaker 2: I think the distinction there is super important. My biggest

461
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Speaker 2: concern in the political sphere is and I don't know

462
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Speaker 2: how much time you spent on this, I don't think

463
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Speaker 2: we're represented by the best and brightest of us. And

464
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Speaker 2: I think there are tons of super smart people who

465
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Speaker 2: have success in other facets of life, and success in

466
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Speaker 2: business pays so much better, success in media pays so

467
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Speaker 2: much better then. I think a lot of people who

468
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Speaker 2: would otherwise be very skilled in politics actually just say

469
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Speaker 2: it's not worth the cost that both financially and personally.

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Speaker 2: This is the biggest a problem going No. I mean,

471
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Speaker 2: the joke about DC was Hollywood for ugly people. Yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I look at a guy like George Santos and

474
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Speaker 1: this is a guy who just wanted to be famous. Yeah, right,

475
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Speaker 1: you know, and we have these people, right, you just

476
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Speaker 1: want to be famous. I mean, there's this new mini

477
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Speaker 1: series about Garfield on Netflix where and I've done a

478
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Speaker 1: lot of research on that assassin and that guy who

479
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Speaker 1: assassinated him in good Toe, and that's all good tooe

480
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Speaker 1: was he was desperate for relevance and fame. And it

481
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Speaker 1: does feel as if if you can't find the fame

482
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Speaker 1: in a nice space like Hollywood or entertain politics, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: because anybody can do.

484
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Speaker 2: It, right.

485
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Speaker 1: The only requirement there's an age requirement for Congress, but

486
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Speaker 1: basically that's it, right, There's no other there's no other

487
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Speaker 1: thing you have to have other than citizenship and residency

488
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Speaker 1: at some form and I do worry that politics now

489
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Speaker 1: because it if you win, you get a platform that

490
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Speaker 1: suddenly it is become the easier way to find fame

491
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Speaker 1: if you have failed in every other part of your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if in an ideal world, people would

493
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Speaker 2: be politicians only if they have been super successful at

494
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Speaker 2: something else first. And I'll give you I could make it.

495
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Speaker 1: I could make an argument that I'd rather see our

496
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Speaker 1: state legislatures filled with people who are doing it like

497
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Speaker 1: jury duty works that everybody should have to do a term.

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Speaker 2: What I look at is, you know Nick Saban, You're

499
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Speaker 2: a sports guy. I think Nick Saban would have been

500
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Speaker 2: hugely successful at anything he did in life, right, He

501
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Speaker 2: is a supremely talented guy. He could have been a

502
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Speaker 2: CEO of a company, He could have been a great senator, governor.

503
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Speaker 2: Instead he ended up coaching football. And I've made jokes

504
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Speaker 2: about this before. Sometimes I think we waste guys like

505
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Speaker 2: Nick Saban because, yeah, if you're an Alabama football fan,

506
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Speaker 2: it's great he won a bunch of Nationals.

507
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Speaker 1: Saban, Jimmy Johnson, Belichick, these guys had really nimble minds.

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Speaker 1: Why do we waste it on football?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, imagine if Abraham Lincoln instead of being a

510
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Speaker 2: president had been a basketball coach. Like in retrospect, maybe

511
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Speaker 2: he would have won some NCAA tournaments. But you know,

512
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Speaker 2: like ending the ending.

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Speaker 1: We may have had that that maybe John Wooden. The

514
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Speaker 1: more I've read about John Wooden, the more I've read it,

515
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Speaker 1: You're like, man, this guy, well, we wasted him.

516
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Speaker 2: And wasted because sports is the toy chest of life.

517
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Speaker 2: But what I mean there is there is a culture

518
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Speaker 2: of success that would translate I think, and I worry

519
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Speaker 2: that both parties have ended up with not the best

520
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Speaker 2: among us representing US.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, college football, I am.

522
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Speaker 2: I am obsessed myself. I look.

523
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Speaker 1: I part of it always is, you know, your formative

524
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Speaker 1: years or your formative years. I grew up going to

525
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Speaker 1: University of Miami football games when nobody was going, you know,

526
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Speaker 1: but we win every game. Odos Anderson was my first guy.

527
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Speaker 1: I got to live the eighties that was you know.

528
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Speaker 1: I remember getting an autographed picture of Jimmy Johnson before

529
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Speaker 1: he ever coached a game because he was doing a

530
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Speaker 1: meet and greet at the Jordan Marsh at Dailion Mall

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Speaker 1: in Miami. And there weren't a lot of people online

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Speaker 1: because that's just sort of what Even after Miami wins

533
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Speaker 1: a title, they were like, who the hell is this guy?

534
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Speaker 2: Right? You know, all that thing.

535
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Speaker 1: So I'm obsessive about it and I am glad to

536
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Speaker 1: see it's more popular today than it was in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: And I think Miami had a lot to do with that,

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Speaker 1: because I think we modernized football. It was a ship

539
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Speaker 1: game in a lot of other conferences, and Miami brought

540
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Speaker 1: sort of in Florida State, sort of brought more excitement

541
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Speaker 1: to it. But how do we I hate what's happening

542
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Speaker 1: here the SEC and Big Ten, the super league business.

543
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Speaker 1: I think it's terrible that a college football fan in Spokane,

544
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Speaker 1: Washington doesn't have relevance in the college football landscape.

545
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Speaker 2: And I think that's a mistake.

546
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Speaker 1: And I think that that is I think the two

547
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Speaker 1: conferences have made a massive business mistake here by trying

548
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Speaker 1: to shrink the world of college football. Rather than say

549
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Speaker 1: to themselves, hey, we can do something the NFL can't.

550
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Speaker 1: We can sell out a game and spoke Cane they can't.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the result is going to be what

552
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Speaker 2: you just said and has become basically the Big Ten

553
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Speaker 2: and the SEC are the AFC and the NFC of

554
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Speaker 2: college sports. And if you're not in one of those

555
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Speaker 2: two conferences, I think you're going to struggle immensely to

556
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Speaker 2: cut through the noise in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Miami, Florida State, we're going to the

558
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Speaker 1: Big ten. Miami's got all the academic requirements now, AAU,

559
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Speaker 1: all that business. And the only region the Big ten's

560
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Speaker 1: not in is essentially the only important place.

561
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Speaker 2: And I think that's going to be an amazing battle

562
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Speaker 2: is the ACC television deal is going to come up

563
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Speaker 2: for people who are not in the weeds on this,

564
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Speaker 2: and I suspect that there's going to be a flight

565
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Speaker 2: of the best schools in the ACC into Big ten

566
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Speaker 2: and SEC, and that's going to be the last kind

567
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Speaker 2: of cultural marker there. Maybe you see a couple of

568
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Speaker 2: Big twelve schools also get opportunities to make the move.

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Speaker 1: I think Arizona, when you look at the markets, right,

570
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Speaker 1: there's Phoenix. You're not going to let Phoenix go, right,

571
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't you know, Arizona State in Arizona

572
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Speaker 1: should be feeling alive. I wouldn't want to be in

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. I wouldn't want to be an Iowa state perhaps,

574
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Speaker 1: and then you see North Carolina and Virginia, those are

575
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Speaker 1: going to be the two big prizes. Then that'll be

576
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Speaker 1: priced fight.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting culturally because the SEC has still, even

578
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Speaker 2: at sixteen, a unique cultural connection. Eight wasn't it sixteen? Still?

579
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Speaker 2: But I thought Oklahoma next has made it eighteen. I

580
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Speaker 2: guess they made it's sixteen from fourteen after Missouri and

581
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Speaker 2: a and at it. But if you look at it,

582
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Speaker 2: they're all red states. And if you compare, say the

583
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Speaker 2: difference between Georgia, I would argue Georgia's are bad. Well,

584
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Speaker 2: Brian Kimp won by eight, but yes, you're right, they're

585
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Speaker 2: the only it's the only one that's not right that

586
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Speaker 2: potentially in question. Maybe going forward now North Carolina Virginia

587
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Speaker 2: to your point, culturally, there might be a little bit

588
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Speaker 2: different feel there, but there's a big difference between Oregon

589
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Speaker 2: and Iowa, between Iowa and Maryland. I think the Big

590
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Speaker 2: Ten has got challenges in that respect more so than

591
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Speaker 2: the SEC does. And so I think it'll be interesting

592
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Speaker 2: for the Uvas, the North Carolinas of the world, and

593
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Speaker 2: that eventual day comes which conference, because I think the

594
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Speaker 2: money is going to be somewhat similar. Which conference do

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Speaker 2: they feel is a better cultural fit for their athletic

596
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Speaker 2: programs And how does that shake out?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that will matter? I mean, I think

598
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Speaker 1: I think they want to be national brands, not regional brands.

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Speaker 2: Well, the SEC has become a national brand. I mean,

600
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Speaker 2: I've got a son who's applying to school, who were

601
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Speaker 2: talking about when we went to GW. When I went

602
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Speaker 2: away to GW and I talked about the University of Tennessee,

603
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Speaker 2: it might as well have been like they have outhouses there,

604
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Speaker 2: like do you still have running water? University of Tennessee

605
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: has a thirty five percent acceptance right now because all

606
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Speaker 2: of these kids from New York families, Chicago families, LA families,

607
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: they're desperate to send their kids to SEC schools. Vanderbilt

608
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: has a five percent acceptance rade now. It's almost impossible

609
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Speaker 2: to get into Vanderbilt. It's really not.

610
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Speaker 1: Look Miami's experience said, look all the southern any southern

611
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Speaker 1: school with an the football or basketball atmosphere particularly, this

612
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Speaker 1: is something I think is a COVID hangover because we

613
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Speaker 1: saw it at the at this you know, they've shown

614
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Speaker 1: some how pre COVID the Northeast schools were still and

615
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Speaker 1: even the Upper Midwest schools were still arguably, at least

616
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Speaker 1: in the DC area, more popular than going south. And

617
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Speaker 1: in the last three years it's Southern schools from Georgia

618
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Speaker 1: particularly like Georgia has been a popular landing spot. Miami

619
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Speaker 1: and Tulane and the private my son's at SMU, you

620
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Speaker 1: know that's in the private space, and the obviously ut Alabama.

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Speaker 2: We've seen this really Ole Miss.

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Speaker 1: I think two of my son's closest friends are at

623
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Speaker 1: Old Miss from from high school. So you do see

624
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Speaker 1: this appeal, and it's in all of it seems to be, Hey,

625
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Speaker 1: I want more than just academics, you know, I want

626
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Speaker 1: an atmosphere to no I think that's called that's a factor,

627
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Speaker 1: and that all kind of plays in in a significant

628
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Speaker 1: way too.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's also cultural. In the wake of

630
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Speaker 2: October seventh, I think a lot of people who are

631
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Speaker 2: Jewish have said, hey, you know, I don't know how

632
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Speaker 2: I feel about Columbia or UCLA or some of these

633
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Speaker 2: schools with the huge protests, even GW compared to the

634
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Speaker 2: SEC schools where look, they had freedom of speech. But

635
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Speaker 2: if you look at Vanderbilt, the chancellor just said, hey,

636
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Speaker 2: you could protest, but you can't come take over our

637
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Speaker 2: Central Kirkland Hall building like you're.

638
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Speaker 1: Out Interesty, mimmy had nothing. My daughter is Jewish and yeah,

639
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Speaker 1: puts it on her profile and there were no issues.

640
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Speaker 1: It's also a private campus they didn't allow. This was interesting.

641
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Speaker 1: She works in student affairs and she said, hey, Dad,

642
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Speaker 1: I hope you're not offended by this, but the university

643
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Speaker 1: won't let any media on campus without permission. I said, well,

644
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Speaker 1: they're a private institution. They can Public institutions don't necessarily

645
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: can necessarily do that.

646
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the standard is again, this goes to the principle.

647
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Speaker 2: As long as you establish whatever the principle is when

648
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: it comes to protest on campus and apply it in

649
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Speaker 2: a content neutral fashion. I think that's how you win.

650
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Speaker 2: And I think the culture you mentioned old Miss. It

651
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: used to be the case that, you know, you would

652
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Speaker 2: send your kid to Ole Miss if they couldn't get

653
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Speaker 2: in anywhere else. Now you got families in Manhattan Beach

654
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: and you know, Westchester begging for their People love the velvet.

655
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: I have a cousin who teaches there. People love the

656
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: velvet ditch. It's my favorite description of Oxford. Yeah, you know,

657
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and the beauty of Oxford. You know, if you live

658
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: in Oxford, the beauty of Oxford is you're still thirty

659
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: minutes from Mississippi.

660
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and it's a great spot. I was

661
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: just down there interviewing Lane Kiffin, and the big question

662
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: for coaching carousel talk is, you know, everybody is waiting

663
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: to see what Lane's going to do, basically, and if

664
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: he goes to Florida, or he goes to LSU, or

665
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: he makes the move, then everybody else starts to adjust

666
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: their decisions as a result as well. What would be

667
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: the motivation for him to leave? I think that he

668
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: believes that he can't get to the championship level at

669
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: Ole Miss and only he knows. I mean, he certainly

670
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: has proven I think that he can get to the playoff.

671
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: But he may see that if he wants to get

672
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: to the Ohio State or Alabama next proverbial level, so

673
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: to speak, where you can win multiple playoff games and

674
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: win a title, that maybe he needs to go to

675
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Florida or to LSU. I'm not sure that an answer

676
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: is that he does, but I think that's actually a

677
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: sign of how the expanded playoff has maybe convinced people

678
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: that they don't need to move. But I think that's

679
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: the thing that he's wrestling with right now. How do

680
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: we get rid of the because my beef.

681
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Look, I am coming at this with my Miami bias

682
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: about the committee. Excuse me what I refer to as

683
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: the ESPN Invitational, Yeah.

684
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: Because it is.

685
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is, the guy went on Tuesday

686
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: night and talked about how Miami is the only one

687
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: that's won any significant non conference games. Conveniently forgetting that

688
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Florida State beat Alabama? Are we supposed to not count that.

689
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that a mediocre ACC school defeated Alabama, but

690
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: those are the facts. And you can't cherry pick when

691
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: you decide to hold the ACC scheduling to account and

692
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: when you don't and then conveniently leave stuff up. This

693
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: is why if I were the commission of the ACC,

694
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I'd be pissed off that my business, biggest business partner, ESPN,

695
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't give a damn about me. Well, that's where

696
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: I get upset about the ACC. It's I understand ESPN's

697
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: they're in business, but they're also in business with you.

698
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: And the fact that the ACC has done a terrible

699
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: job of reminding ESPN to that, and if they don't care,

700
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: then find a better way out of it.

701
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Well. I think there's certainly a lot of tension for

702
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: the networks about all of that, and ultimately what they're

703
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: looking at is ratings and money. It's a TV show.

704
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Tony Korneiser loves to say this, it's a TV show, folks.

705
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you knows sports is a great television show. What

706
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: I would say is college football is the only sport

707
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: where we end up arguing all the time all the time, right,

708
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: because nobody sits around in debates, Hey, is the AFC

709
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: East better than the NFC West this year?

710
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Because you might the committee decided the NFL playoffs, Would

711
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Dallas ever not make the playoffs? No?

712
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: And what also we would You can argue maybe it

713
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: would be incredible for fighting based on which teams are better.

714
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: But they designed the system that I ultimately think would

715
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: be the best in college football, which is you take,

716
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: let's say right now, the SEC has sixteen schools. You

717
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: take four divisions of four and you say, if you

718
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: win the division, you're in the playoff, right and the

719
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: Big ten. Now design what those divisions are going to

720
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: be becomes challenging and all those things. But then you

721
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: have a known expectation and sometimes you can end up,

722
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: as happens in the NFL, the team that happens to

723
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: win a division sometimes they have a losing record and

724
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: you look at it and you say, boy, you know

725
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: that's screwed up. And people may be upset about it

726
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: for a short period of time, but you know already

727
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: going in what the rules of engagement, so to speak,

728
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: are when it comes to playoff you know determination.

729
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing, like what you hate about

730
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: this committee. And to me, nobody has ever answered this

731
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: question with real clarity to me, which is what matters

732
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: more who you beat or who you lost to?

733
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I think the answer is. My

734
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: buddy likes to say, you know, college football is just

735
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: a cake baking contest. So we all and then we

736
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: all stand around and look and we're like, well, look

737
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: at the frosting on this one. Look at the depth,

738
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: look at the moisture of this cut. Right Like, ultimately,

739
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's kind of evocative. This is

740
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: my big, you know, sort of metaphorical take on American society,

741
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: and I think it applies to college football too. It's

742
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: do we judge people by their ceilings or their floors? Right?

743
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: My argument would be the Democrat Party of the last

744
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: generation or so looks at the floor, like what did

745
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: America get wrong? What did we screw up? What should

746
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: we be ashamed of? And sort of forces people to

747
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: marinate in that failure. I would argue the Republican Party,

748
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: this is my take, tends to focus more on the ceiling.

749
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: What did you achieve? You know? Or when you talk

750
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: about Thomas Jefferson, how long do you take to mention

751
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: Sally hmmicks you know? Or do you focus on Hey,

752
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence kind of a good deal, Monticello impressive,

753
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, Fridge the Louisiana purchased kind of a kind

754
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: of a significant accomplishment. And so I think it kind

755
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: of goes in what's college football? Too? Right? Are you just?

756
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: There are some of us who sort of like all

757
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: of that, And that's always been my prest at the bottom, Right,

758
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: My frustration is like I sort of love the fact

759
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: that everybody's complicated in our history and that ultimately that

760
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: complication and history does sort of inform the future, and

761
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: it always does, both good and bad and indifferent. But

762
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: in some ways, the complication, the fact that Jeff person

763
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: is complicated is.

764
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Speaker 2: Actually very American. Yes, And also by the way it

765
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: sort of jumps into what I think is fascinating is

766
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: you know, if you look at prestige erat television, almost

767
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: everyone that is a significantly successful show, whether it's Walter White,

768
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: whether it's Tony Soprano, is you know, filled with substantial

769
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: measures of light and darkness, as we all are. And

770
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: so that's a big metaphor for college football. I mean,

771
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: I think it does turn into a question. Ultimately, I

772
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: would say I'm more likely to judge a team by

773
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: the body of work, but I would if I had

774
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: to choose what's more significant, quality wins or bad losses,

775
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: I would go with quality wins. But here's the deal,

776
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: there is no criterion. The committee can decide whatever is

777
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: the best argument to do whatever the committee thinks they

778
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: should do. And so that's why I think, you know,

779
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: there's Florida State fans that are probably watching this right

780
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: now so furious over Jordan Travis and the way they say.

781
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: It's not just any Florida State fan that's going to

782
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: be watching this, it's my wife who's a Florida state alone.

783
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Her anger at kirk Kurbstreet is on a level that

784
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: will never like you know, Visceral. There's no political figure

785
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: that would garner as much hate for her well.

786
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's why college football is so popular,

787
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: because unlike the NFL, which I love, you don't feel

788
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: that close personal connection to it. And for college athletics,

789
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: it is all person It evokes an emotional response that

790
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: is very different than what happens I think candidly with

791
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: anything in professional sports.

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Speaker 1: So you would go, what would you like to see

817
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: a sixteen team playoff? Because the other thought I had

818
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: is because I'd love to see like I think it's fun.

819
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad a group of five team is in there,

820
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: but I actually would like to see a mini tournament

821
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: of those four conference champions they play each other, the

822
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: winner gets to come into THEIA. Maybe it's an eighteen playoff,

823
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: and maybe the SEC has its own tournament, Big ten

824
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: has its own tournament acc and then you sort of

825
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: you do it that way way.

826
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: I would go sixteen, and I would eliminate the conference

827
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: championship games, and I would finish it by Jan one.

828
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I think, don't you think the CC wants more revenue

829
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: for I assume the SEC and the Big Ten? And

830
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: this is where I think the media partners come in.

831
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: Does Fox want a Big ten tournament allah the basketball

832
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: tournaments right? And does ESPN want that out of SEC?

833
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: And so there's been a discussion where you say, hey,

834
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: we're going to guarantee four spots for the SEC and

835
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: four for the Big Ten, but we will have three,

836
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: four and five six do play in in other words,

837
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: one and two in the conference automatically in the playoff.

838
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: And then to replace the conference championship game, you actually

839
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: add two playoff games, but you played and I guess

840
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: it would be three six four five probably is the

841
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: way that it would make sense. And then the two

842
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: teams that win those games advanced. So from a capitalistic perspective,

843
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: you double your value, and what I would like to

844
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: see is a done.

845
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: But oh, by the way, I get more football and

846
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: you make money. Okay, then we all win.

847
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: So I think there's an argument that something like that

848
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: could happen, but I think it's ultimately going to end

849
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: up sixteen. And what I would like to see them

850
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: do is actually start college football a bit earlier and

851
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, like a week or two earlier than they

852
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: do now, and be able to finish it all on

853
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: jan one is the national title game.

854
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: Get out of the NFL's way, or I'm never going

855
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: to beat the NF.

856
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: Correct And I don't like when they're playing games on

857
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: random Tuesdays and Wednesdays to try to avoid the NFL schedule.

858
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: And I think if you drag it on for too long,

859
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: it makes people, you know, just kind of lose interest.

860
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: So I would get it done. Jan one is a

861
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: traditional heavyweight of day for college football.

862
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: The other thing I would do in my if, if

863
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: you would, if you in your magic world, if you

864
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: let me to orchestrate the beginning of the season, is

865
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: I would take all of the bowl games that are

866
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: not part of the national title, not part of the

867
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: whole playoff structure, and I would make those matchups play

868
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: each other at the start of the season.

869
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: I would that.

870
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: I'd look at the calendar right now, and the month

871
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: of August is up for grabs. Every month has a

872
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: sport that they own, right but the month of August

873
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: sits there, and you know, college football has already done

874
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of grabbing the last sort of

875
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: week or two, and those become like people are.

876
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Dying, they're sturturday. They do a great job of playing

877
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: games Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. But I would start

878
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: it even earlier and make that the focal point of

879
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: the early part of the season.

880
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: If I had my Bowl, if you matched up fun

881
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: little interconference matchups and all that stuff that you did

882
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: it at the start of the year based on last

883
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: year's records or whatever. But hey, that is suddenly those

884
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: games mean something. You're not going to agreat players get

885
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: out of it. And I think you could, and these cities,

886
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: I think people would. It's August, it's the end of

887
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: summer vacation. Maybe it's the last trip you take with

888
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: your family. Yep, you know to go see you know,

889
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: you go to l Paso to the Sun Bowl. You

890
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: appreciate the choir on this.

891
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: I think that the college football brain trust need to

892
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: get out of competing with the NFL, and preseason NFL

893
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: is garbage. So the more time you can create a distinct, unique,

894
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: awesome product without having to compete with the NFL, the better.

895
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: And I think starting in August a little bit earlier

896
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: and finishing on jan one is that window.

897
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: Let me get you out of here. On Nowashville is

898
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: a major league market. What's the next major sport that's coming?

899
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: It's fuzzy. I'm going to a meeting about Major League

900
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: Baseball at Nashville. Legitimately, when I hang up the phone

901
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: with you, I think we're going to get major League

902
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: Baseball and the NBA. Uh, Well, Memphis has got the NBA,

903
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: and I think that gets into a politically no, it's

904
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: hard for Nashville to take Memphis crown jewel of professional athletics.

905
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: So that you wouldn't right, I agree, So you wouldn't

906
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: see it. And you don't think Tennessee can support to NBA.

907
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: I don't think they can support too. And I don't

908
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: think I think the political tension there is such that

909
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: that would not be tenable. I think we're going to

910
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: get major League Baseball. And I'm not sure what the

911
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: other city. Maybe Salt Lake, because I think they want

912
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: one west of.

913
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: The Lake and Charlotte. There's salt Lake, there's Charlotte, there's Portland,

914
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: there's Montreal. I have heard the Charlotte has some real

915
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: money and that, you know, But but i've heard the

916
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: Salt Lake thing.

917
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 2: So let me get you with a couple of stats

918
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: that blow my mind. And you may may not have

919
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: thought about this. There are more NHL, NBA and NFL

920
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: teams in the SEC footprint than there are MLB teams.

921
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And yet so the Braves are kind of

922
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: the team of the SEC because this is a sport,

923
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: this is a baseball crazy footprint they haven't served. So actually,

924
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: Nashville and Charlotte should both get them. I don't know

925
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: that they'll do it, but that that stat really kind

926
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: of jumps out, And so I think they want to

927
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: give Nashville a team. And here's the other thing about this.

928
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 2: I am told there's likely to be a lockout, shut down.

929
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: What everybody has said, Please, I got my Nationals season ticket,

930
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: guy said, I said, give me the best case of

931
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: why I should sign up for next year, he says,

932
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: because we probably won't have baseball in twenty seven.

933
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean so that. And I think one

934
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: of the ways that they will reach an agreement going

935
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: forward is by saying to the players, hey, we're going

936
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: to add two teams, which is going to add you know,

937
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: sixty jobs or whatever. The math is to the overall

938
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball environment, and haven't expanded very much baseball

939
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: compared to the NFL, compared to the NBA, compared to hockey.

940
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: So I think Nashville is going to get one. I

941
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: would bet on play starting I don't know, twenty thirty one,

942
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: twenty thirty two something in that arena.

943
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: They do have a financial problem, though, right, because unlike

944
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: the other major sports, baseball teams don't share their revenue.

945
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: That's right, right, And the Dodgers Japanese media rights are

946
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: worth more than anything the Minnesota Twins can sell, that's right,

947
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: and you cannot have And you know, if the NFL

948
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: worked the way baseball worked, there'd be no Jaguars, that's right, right,

949
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: There'd be no Packers.

950
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, the way to put it is sports is

951
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: a unique business where the business itself is the competition, right,

952
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: Walmart wanted to put kmart out of business, right like

953
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 2: hol Depot wants to knock the low was out of business, Coke, PEPSI, whatever,

954
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: dueling businesses. The quality of the sport is entirely determined

955
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: by the quality of the competition. And if, for instance,

956
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, because they have SHOWBA and all of the

957
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: money rolling in from Japan, are able to spend far

958
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: more money than anybody else and they win eight titles

959
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: in a row, it's not beneficial in any way for them.

960
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: No, it's like, why, you know, there's a reason college

961
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: football wasn't popular in the forties and fifties because it

962
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame, and Army and Navy had all the talent,

963
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a way to share it around.

964
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 2: Now, look, this has been my concern. We love college football,

965
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: but that somebody, the Elon Musk of college football, he

966
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: doesn't care. But if he did, just suddenly comes in

967
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: and says, I'm going to give a billion dollars to

968
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: school inil funds. I think that's why they're trying to

969
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: set up some form of salary cap inside of college athletics.

970
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: I was at the University of Illinois doing a talk.

971
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: I was happen to be hanging out with the coach

972
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: of the basketball team. Were there when when they found

973
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: out Larry Ellison, a University of Illinois alum, wrote a

974
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: check to Michigan to sign to sign the quarter under

975
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: Brice Underwood Bryce Underwood, and they were just like apoplectic, Yeah,

976
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: like what what?

977
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: What? What? What? He needs to give us money? What

978
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: do you? Why are you doing that?

979
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: And it was all because you know, he had the

980
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: girlfriend who was going to be upset if Michigan football

981
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: wasn't story of life right right? The things men will

982
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: do for what we'll do for love? Uh, let me

983
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: get you out of here on this. Who's four people

984
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: you'd like to see to run for president in twenty.

985
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: Eight Oh that's a fantastic question. Well, let's eliminate people

986
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: that we know are going to run. You know Jamie Vance, Uh,

987
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: you know Marco Rubio. I think there's a good chance

988
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: that they run as a tandem ticket. Gavin Newsom's clearly

989
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: going to run.

990
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody the last name of Trump runs

991
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the sitting president, I'm talking

992
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: about junior or Eric or I don't.

993
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: Think that I know those guys. I don't think that

994
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: they wanted that could change. But I think they like

995
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: the life that they have now, and I think they've

996
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: seen what the life is required to have. And I'm

997
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: not sure that you know. It's very there's a lot

998
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: of fancy, awesome parts of being involved in politics. You've

999
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: been there. There's also a lot of standing and posing

1000
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: for photos on a ropeline for an hour and a

1001
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: half and making small talk with every person. Like I

1002
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: don't think that actual It reminds me, honestly of kind

1003
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: of what people think the practice of law is, and

1004
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: then what the practice of law actually is. They think

1005
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: you're going to be Tom Cruise all the time and

1006
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: a few good men, or they think it's going to

1007
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: be a time to kill in your Matthew McConaughey talking

1008
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: to a journey and the reality is you're sitting in

1009
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: front of a computer screen on dock review or filing

1010
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: emotion now, ay, I'll do all that for you, right,

1011
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: and maybe civil procedure related. So I would like to

1012
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: see successful people in the world of business. I would

1013
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: have liked to have seen he's getting older now. I

1014
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 2: would have liked to have seen Nick say even in politics,

1015
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: because I think he would be really good at it.

1016
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: I think he's gotten a little bit too old. I

1017
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 2: think Brian Kemp, Governor of Georgia, really really sharp guy.

1018
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: I think he could be a great unifying candidate. I

1019
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: love Ron DeSantis and what he did. I understand that

1020
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: there's issues there. I love both those guys on the

1021
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: Republican side. On the Democrat side, I'm somewhat impressed by

1022
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: what I've seen from Rama Manuel because he seems to

1023
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: be rational and be willing to talk like a dude,

1024
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: which I think Democrats are struggling with in general. Just

1025
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: have a beer and watch a game. Who would I

1026
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: like to do that with. I've been a bit impressed

1027
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: with Marama Manuel and his ability to cut through there.

1028
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: And then I would like people who are not professional

1029
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: politicians to potentially get involved, who have had success in

1030
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: other industry, not unlike Trump did. And you know, there

1031
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: are the mayor Bloomberg's of the world. I would like

1032
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: to see them just kind of look at things analytically

1033
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: and analyze facts and just say, hey, let's run the

1034
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: company a little bit more like a business. So, uh,

1035
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: there are some of those figures that I think could

1036
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: be uh, could be very helpful.

1037
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: Do you think I have a feeling that pitchforks are

1038
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: coming though for corporate America left and right is profound anger. Yeah,

1039
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if a because I you know, instinctively,

1040
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm always looking at for business leaders and I'm starting

1041
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: to think that even if they're good, it doesn't matter.

1042
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: Like I think Jamie Diamond in another era could be

1043
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: an interesting, yeah, candidate for office. But I think I

1044
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: think the pitchforks would come for a banker, right, you know,

1045
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: I had Steve Jobs had a personality maybe yeah, you know.

1046
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: But again, so I wonder though if the world of

1047
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: business just in the next ten years, if that's just

1048
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: going to be a like like that, that it's an

1049
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: anti halo effect on somebody.

1050
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think you're going to see. Let me

1051
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: give you a couple of media Meg Kelly, I think

1052
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: is uniquely talented. I don't know if she would ever.

1053
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: Run, I could see, You're right, a media personality is

1054
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: gonna is going to try and do it.

1055
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: My big take on twenty eight is I think men

1056
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: have been won by the Republican Party, but I think

1057
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: women have been won by the Democrat Party. I mean

1058
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: talking broadly, I understand.

1059
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: Oh it's pretty it was pretty sharp. I don't know

1060
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: if it'll stay that. What'll be interesting is do both

1061
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: parties attempt to fix their problem?

1062
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: That's right, So if they do, then there's an opening

1063
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: actually for someone who is a woman that is able

1064
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: to talk to women and say, hey, the Republican Party

1065
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: flip side. Is there a man that is just like

1066
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: a dude, just a normal guy. Maybe it's Wes Moore,

1067
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: you know, who rises up on the Democrat side and

1068
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: can have normal conversations with men. I think Gavin Newsom

1069
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: is trying to do it, and so to me that

1070
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: that may well be the way the election is decided

1071
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: is who's able to talk not to their base, certainly,

1072
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: but to the opposite gender. You ever wanted to run

1073
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: for off? My wife is has forbidden it. Look I

1074
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: love what I do right now. I don't ever want

1075
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: to leave Nashville. I've got seventeen, fifteen, eleven year old boys.

1076
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: When all my boys are out of the house in

1077
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: seven or eight years, I'll look around, I'll have, you know,

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Speaker 2: hopefully had four years of seasoning and everything else, and

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Speaker 2: see how things look then, but I don't think for

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Speaker 2: the next eight years or so. And here's honestly the

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Speaker 2: thing that I've thought about. I think a lot about

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Speaker 2: how do I be? How am I the most efficient

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Speaker 2: and effective version of myself? And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: be egotistical here, but with our show with Clay and

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Speaker 2: Buck without kicking everything else, people know us a lot

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Speaker 2: more than they do a lot of governors, and a

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Speaker 2: lot more than they do certainly a lot of congress people.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like I can have an impact in

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Speaker 2: a positive way in media in a way that I

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Speaker 2: remember Scarborough saying that pliticians can't.

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Speaker 1: Early on Scarborough, the show was going pretty well and

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Speaker 1: somebody was trying to get him to run, go run

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Speaker 1: for Senate again in Florida. Yeah, this was more this

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Speaker 1: is pre Trump era, so it was sort of he

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Speaker 1: was still sort of a more comfortable Republican and he

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Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that he had more influence doing

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Speaker 1: what he was doing than to be a senator. And

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Speaker 1: I remember thinking that sucks. I'm sorry, like that's not

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Speaker 1: the way it should be, but he's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the senators and the governors asked to come

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Speaker 2: on the show all the time so they can talk

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Speaker 2: to our audience and reach it.

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Speaker 1: They want to be seen as normal people, So they

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Speaker 1: desperately don't want to be on a political show. They

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: want to be in a non political show. That's right,

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Speaker 1: And so they want to do you know, events with us.

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Speaker 1: And so look, I mean, I think Paul Finbaum's going

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Speaker 1: to run. You didn't ask me about this, like he

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Speaker 1: sat down and talked with me. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: well you buy it you think he's going to run.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's going to be able to

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Speaker 1: sell MAGA that he's MAGA. I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he would run. If he runs,

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Speaker 2: I think he'll win. So I think college football matters

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Speaker 2: more in Alabama than anything. You've got Tommy Tupperville who's

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Speaker 2: going to be the governor. You got aj Mccaerron who

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Speaker 2: might be the lieutenant governor. You're right, I mean we

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Speaker 2: may see an entire entire fate aspired to Wesley Britt,

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Speaker 2: who's a former offensive tackle for Alabama and an NFL guy.

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Speaker 2: I think people look at it more. Their parties are Alabama, Auburn.

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Speaker 2: They're not necessarily Democrat Republican. Uh. And the one thing

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Speaker 2: I'll say about college football but makes fun of me

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Speaker 2: about this, but I actually think America would be better

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Speaker 2: if we thought of each other more like college football fans,

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Speaker 2: because I innately trust other college football fans more than

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Speaker 2: I do people who aren't college football fans, even if

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Speaker 2: they are rooting for different teams, because I know we

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Speaker 2: speak a common language and it's a tribe.

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Speaker 1: You know, it goes back to you know, the best

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Speaker 1: part of being an American is if you're a member

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Speaker 1: of multiple tribes. That's right, and you're right, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's my University of Miami tribe, and there may be

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00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: people in there I politically can't stomach. But when we're

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Speaker 1: watching a game together, we're high five.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And there's their college football tribe, and there's a media tribe.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's you know. The only thing bad is

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Speaker 1: if you're a member of only one tribe, and one

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Speaker 1: tribe only well, and.

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Speaker 2: Also if you decide what I always say is I

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00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: have tons of friends who think that my political opinions

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Speaker 2: are crazy, and I'm open to being convinced that I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I wish that more people were open to being convinced

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Speaker 2: that they were wrong, because part of being a lawyer

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00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: is at some point you look at the argument, you're like, hey,

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: they got a better argument. Like you have to be

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Speaker 2: rational on some point, because that's the job, is to

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: look at arguments and decide who makes the better one.

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Speaker 2: I wish more people did that, and that's why maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe college football is the perfect approximation of that, because

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00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: everybody is too p passionate. But in the end, we

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: all argue and then we come to the conclusion. People

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01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: may not be satisfied, but they but they end up

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Speaker 2: still being engaged as much, if not more every year.

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Speaker 1: Well like, look like eventually there's a vote, eventually there's

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Speaker 1: a game that's played.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's exactly right. I appreciate you doing this, man,

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Speaker 2: Hey man, I appreciate you having me on. We got

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Speaker 2: to get you on some of our shows as well.

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Speaker 2: And good luck to the Hurricanes the rest of the

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Speaker 2: way you name it.

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Speaker 1: If they look I just wish they wouldn't hold Miami's

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Speaker 1: coaching staff against the team. The team itself is probably

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Speaker 1: the most talented or as talented as any team in

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Speaker 1: the country.

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Speaker 2: Don't have it. We can't get the most out of them.

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Speaker 2: But I hope camer Woord develops. He was a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun to watch last year with Miami. So far

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Speaker 2: it hasn't gone very well.

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Speaker 1: Man, he's already you know what happens these anytime. Look

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Speaker 1: what happened to Trevor Lawrence when he had to go

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Speaker 1: through multiple coaches early. This is such a bad sign.

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Speaker 1: I'm so worried about this for him.

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Speaker 2: That sucks. They have to go through a uh oh, Tim,

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Speaker 2: think about it. He's had four O season four years.

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Speaker 1: I do think he is high level thinker because he's

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Speaker 1: gone through so many OC's in college. Right, three different systems.

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to be okay. But man, that

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Speaker 1: sucks that he got drafted into a terrible situation with

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Speaker 1: the guy that probably doesn't belong in the NFL. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, something I never would have believed as a

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Speaker 1: Nashville kid growing up. We're going to host a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl in this new stadium, and I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to have a Major League Baseball team too.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a bad spot to live. You'll have

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Speaker 2: to come down and visit. No, it's Nashville.

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Speaker 1: What is it that you guys, are the new Vegas,

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Speaker 1: the new Austin, the new You're always the Nashville feels

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Speaker 1: like it gets the It's the new this, it's the

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Speaker 2: When I started out Kick as a media company here

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