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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on, break

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Speaker 2: it on, Swim to the ground by Puda Baker like

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Speaker 2: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I ain't

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, apparently the words line season do not just apply

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Speaker 2: April CLO the NFL Draft twenty twenty three, Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 2: Paul Calvc, Danny Shrek, Darren Rman And I'm referring to

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Speaker 2: the fact I googled up two words Buddha Baker. You

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Speaker 2: know what came up immediately top of the fold. Let

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Speaker 2: me just regale both of you with some of the

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Speaker 2: headlines that are out there right now once again, hashtag

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Speaker 2: line season headline, SB Nation, pros and cons of Raiders,

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Speaker 2: Buddha Baker trade with Arizona, NFL insider theorizes Broncos trade

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Speaker 2: for cardinal safety, Buddha Baker. Oh, your mailbag came up, Darreon.

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Speaker 2: That's number three. As the Buddha Baker saga unfolds, it

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Speaker 2: shines a spotlight on roster building. And there's a picture

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Speaker 2: of the Houston Texans right there, Buddha Baker flirting with

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts and the Eagles and mid trade rumors. Are

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Speaker 2: the Broncos interested in Buddha Baker? That's the sixth to one,

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Speaker 2: And then we have Cowboys Rubers proposed trade sees Dallas

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Speaker 2: landing fifty nine million dollars start? Should I continue or

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Speaker 2: do you get the or the Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 3: I stopped listening after you said they mentioned my male bag, Paul.

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Speaker 2: It's so self serving of you. Well done, that's good.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm here for, because you know it is

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Speaker 2: the off season to get your bag. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: it's about I, and then it's about team. Okay, as

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Speaker 2: Bruce arians used to say, until the team has decided

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Speaker 2: the final fifty three, No, it is about you. And

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Speaker 2: I just throw that out there as evidence. And guess what.

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Speaker 2: Virtually every team in the league would covet a Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 2: and for that reason, it ain't happening at least I

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Speaker 2: don't think so my take off the top, anybody, I

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Speaker 4: Just because a player is asked for a trade doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean that that player is going to get traded. Considering

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Speaker 4: in introductory press conferences for both general manager Moni alsoin

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Speaker 4: for it and head coach Jonathan Gan, A, Buddha Baker

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Speaker 4: was for sure mentioned, and I would probably put money down,

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Speaker 4: if I remember correctly, probably the first player mentioned when

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Speaker 4: they were both talking about the players already on this

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Speaker 4: player who lead by.

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Speaker 5: Example and what you want to build around.

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Speaker 4: Because that's exactly what Buddha Baker is. And if you

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Speaker 4: didn't already know that, you absolutely knew that after watching

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Speaker 4: Hard Knocks this past season and seeing the way that

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Speaker 4: he led his team on the field, playing through injuries

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Speaker 4: I just can't see the Cardinals wanting to move on

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Speaker 4: from Buddha Baker now. I don't think we have enough

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Speaker 4: details as to why that trade request has come through,

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Speaker 4: so that could answer you know, that that could change

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Speaker 4: But I think this is a really different situation than

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Speaker 4: Deandrew Hopkins, who has also made it clear that he

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Speaker 3: It's funny because the Cardinals have had guys in recent

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Speaker 3: They all ask for trades. A couple of them, Hicks

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Speaker 3: So there is precedent lots of it that a guy

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Speaker 3: it just happened to be out publicly now. But you know,

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Speaker 2: It hashtag group text.

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Speaker 3: It probably would have been chat, Paul.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Darres, that's quite a right group chat anyway.

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Speaker 3: I think if the Cardinals had really reached out and

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Speaker 3: probably unlikely that they want a deal now. That doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean it's not gonna happen, but I would agree. I

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Speaker 3: think he's going to be around, but we'll see. It's

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Speaker 3: been quite the off season already.

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Speaker 5: Well, he is two years left on his current contract.

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Speaker 3: Yes, just like DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to Danny's question, right before she had monished

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Speaker 2: and corrected me, the question was why, and yes, the

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Speaker 2: he want out? And those are two totally different things.

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Speaker 2: Is he looking at the fact that he has no

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Speaker 2: guaranteed money left on his deal? He's due thirteen million

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Speaker 2: ended up with the record breaking deal and it's the

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Speaker 2: per Is he is he looking at Jesse Bates who

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Speaker 2: just went from Cincinnati to Atlanta and is averaging sixteen million.

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Speaker 3: Per But but in the I'm pretty sure Derwin James

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Speaker 2: Tag though all I know is he staged the whole

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Speaker 2: I know at the beginning of the charge was the

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Speaker 3: And what these teams are.

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Speaker 2: In the same representation, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what these what these teams are loath to do

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Speaker 3: once you set that precedent, everybody else wants to do it.

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Speaker 3: And so that's why I think it's unlikely that they

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. I mean, look, I think we all

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Speaker 2: agree in Danny twee out something to this effect in

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Speaker 2: you that if Buddha Baker is not on this roster,

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Speaker 2: the entire dynamic of the DNA of the team changes.

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Speaker 2: And anybody who's been around Buddha, anybody who watched Hard

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Speaker 2: did a wonderful job of capturing what he means to

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Speaker 2: the team on and off the field, not.

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Speaker 4: Just the defense, but the team as a whole. And

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Speaker 4: Buddha Baker is one of the franchise players on this team.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the faces with Kyler Murray, and that's

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Speaker 4: really kind of what you have at this point. The

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Speaker 4: two of them was offense and defense. And you're right

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Speaker 4: the way that he leads by example and how he

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Speaker 4: words in the locker room and not just words, because

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Speaker 4: it is incredibly passionate. He goes out on the field

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Speaker 4: and we've seen that when he's healthy, when he's not healthy,

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Speaker 4: he is still out on the field, and that was

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Speaker 4: also shown in Hard Knocks last season. He is exactly

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Speaker 4: the epitome of a player you would want to build

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Speaker 4: a team and a culture around the right kind of attitude.

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Speaker 4: Accountable holds others around him, accountable puts in that one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent effort every single day. That's the type of

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Speaker 4: I would imagine both Manias for It and Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 4: because that's what you know. Everyone around the league knows

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Speaker 4: Buddha Baker, which goes back to what you were saying

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Speaker 4: opening up the show, Paul, that pretty much I would

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Speaker 4: imagine every single team if the Cardinals made it known

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Speaker 4: they were interested in hearing trade offers, everyone would probably

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Speaker 4: be calling money awsin for its phone line pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: When they show footage of Bill Davis in the linebacker's room,

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Speaker 2: citing to everyone, if you could only play like Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 2: play with this sort of intensity. We've heard Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: NFL films clips pregame in the last few years talking

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Speaker 2: to Cardinals coaches how Buddha Baker jumps off the film,

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Speaker 2: so we get it. You understand what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: He's most definitely part of the solution, not part of

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Speaker 2: the problem. So ideally he is in the formula going forward,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call this, rebuild, reset, retool. You

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Speaker 2: got to figure Buddha is definitely in the playoffs, and look.

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Speaker 4: We don't know anything. I would imagine that would probably

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Speaker 4: of Buddha wanting a new contract and not having guaranteed

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Speaker 4: how much this team probably wants him, I'm sure that's

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Speaker 4: playing a role. And I would also understand if that

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Speaker 4: were the case the front office what you were talking about, Darren,

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Speaker 4: Teams don't like to set that precedent of, you know,

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Speaker 4: reworking contracts when you still have multiple years left, and

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Speaker 3: For me, there's multiple moving pieces, And look, I love

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Speaker 3: keep him, and I understand, and I want to make

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Speaker 3: this very clear. I said this in the mailbag. I

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Speaker 3: have no problem with players complaining about the contract. That's

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Speaker 3: just part of the deal. Now, some guys have more

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Speaker 3: this stuff is gonna come up, and I don't you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't get emotional if the player feels that way,

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Speaker 3: certain way, and sometimes those don't align. The guaranteed money

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Speaker 3: is interesting because when we say guaranteed money, we're talking

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Speaker 3: about longer term guaranteed money. Buddha Baker is gonna make

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Speaker 3: thirteen million dollars this year. They're not cutting Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 3: so that money is virtually guaranteed. And I would argue

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Speaker 3: his contract. Now, you've got a first year GM, you've

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Speaker 3: these guys are gonna fit.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Boodha fits every team, so you know you're gonna want them.

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Speaker 3: But if you're money awesome for it, do you want

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Speaker 3: know exactly what direction you need this roster to go

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Speaker 3: in yet. I think that that's part of it too.

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Speaker 3: I think it's less about Buddha and more about like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we need to figure out how we kind of want

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Speaker 3: to direct this. We don't know what kind of defense

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Speaker 3: Nick Rallis benefits by having two very nicely paid safeties,

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Speaker 3: which is what the Cardinals have right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you can understand it to your point from

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Speaker 2: both angles. Number one, you're Buddha Baker. You were the

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Speaker 2: if you're the Cardinals' exactly sure where this whole roster

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Speaker 2: many guys are locked up beyond two years on this roster, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, this is see change for this team

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think you can understand. To me,

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Speaker 3: And would this be a little bit different if the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals were expected to be a twelve win tweet team. Possibly,

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Speaker 3: But to your point, he's been banged up. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's big time in the NFL, and that's what he's

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Speaker 3: trying to do because the reality is that right now

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Speaker 4: I saw something online of maybe feeling secure if the

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Speaker 4: don't I don't this this coaching staff, I said, they

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Speaker 4: so I don't particularly love that idea of we can

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Speaker 5: That's not the same to me at all.

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Speaker 3: It's not the same. That's why. That's why it feels

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Speaker 2: Honestly, there's one safety in this league. I'd put in

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Speaker 4: We don't even know if the Cardinals are going to

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Speaker 3: Well, and I think the other thing too, is you're

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Speaker 3: so there's there's multiple levels again this and I again

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Speaker 3: could be completely wrong. This feels a lot to me

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Speaker 2: And look, the reality is the last safety Buddhist size

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Speaker 2: very short career. His name was Bob Sanders. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: what I think of. So, and by the way, not

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I do remember when Rod Gray's left after a long

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Speaker 2: no idea how many players have tried to renegotiate their

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Speaker 2: it's more the norm than the exception. We're just not

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Speaker 3: I mean, we go back in the day, if we

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Speaker 3: this was a very public situation. But at KWAM Bolden Oh,

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Speaker 2: Right, that is right, and relations were strained, to say

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Speaker 2: the least, that's fair during that situation. All right, So

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Speaker 2: you have that, and then you have DeAndre Hopkins doing

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Speaker 2: using facial expressions on a video podcast to express whether

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Speaker 2: he would be in favor of going to certain teams

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Speaker 2: or not so much. What is it, Danny meh me eh, sorr.

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Speaker 2: He kind of gave them men, right, yes, correct, you

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Speaker 2: just had advance. I lost my confidence, had to verify why.

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Speaker 3: This is why. In the mailbag this week, it was

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Speaker 3: so that everybody can see our expressions when Paul's talking

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Speaker 2: The facial expression Danny just gave me was a lot

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Speaker 2: more severe than he facial expression d hop gave Brian

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Speaker 3: You I didn't see this video, Paul, Oh boy, you

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Speaker 2: So he threw out four teams Chiefs, Bills, Jets, and Patriots.

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Speaker 3: And told hop he didn't have to answer. He just said,

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Speaker 5: What did he say, all accept the Jets, he'd go

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Speaker 2: Fifty to fifty. Two were basically thumbs up and two

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Speaker 2: were thumbs down. Based on the facial reaction from d Hop. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so he was all about the Chiefs and the Bills

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Speaker 4: Patriots makes sense, especially those reports that the Patriots are

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Speaker 5: That would make sense.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the Patriots. I think ultimately

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Speaker 2: And then not long after that, hop himself tweeted out

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Speaker 3: That was such a great time. I remember those days.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's what you know, that's what it made me

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Speaker 2: aren't interested, especially with Stefan Diggs none too happy right

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, there's other players that aren't aren't happy, because

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Speaker 2: So look, don't I don't care what Brian mcfatt is

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Speaker 3: Taking these really big lists of teams he could get

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Speaker 2: I think they're all sandbagging, I really do. Until there's

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Speaker 2: nobody left on the free agent market. In terms of receivers,

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Speaker 2: there's no plug and play in this draft that's ready

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Speaker 2: the top, guess what d hop is that? Dude?

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question if you have

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Speaker 4: Is there a situation where DeAndre Hopkins is included in

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Speaker 4: a trade?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because here's here's what happens. You're the Cardinals, you trade,

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Speaker 3: you trade with Tennessee three to eleven, they give you

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins back to the Titans and you get three back.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like Draft Day, whoa where somehow they

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Speaker 2: That's right, Kevin Costner just waiting it out on hold

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very realistic.

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Speaker 5: Sounds like it.

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Speaker 2: He basically condemned Padwick Boseman.

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Speaker 3: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: He basically resets the entire franchise in one six minute

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Speaker 2: it materializes. If memory serves so, it was good theater.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. So what do we I mean, Look,

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Speaker 2: if you tell me so, I'll go exactly where I

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Speaker 2: want to Buddha Baker. I don't expect it to happen

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Speaker 2: in the least. I do expect a d Hop trade

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Speaker 3: I would lean towards that same analysis.

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Speaker 5: I agreed.

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Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if d Hop is still a member

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Speaker 4: I think also, if you were to have both players

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Speaker 4: very different.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe the situation.

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Speaker 4: With Buddha Baker, if he is still on this team

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Speaker 4: come fall, would be different than the Buddha Baker we

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Speaker 4: have seen because of this scenario. But I would like

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Speaker 4: we know, and I'm not sure that DeAndre Hopkins would

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree with you there. It's funny because

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Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody about this. Again, this is

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Speaker 3: gonna be before Danny's time. But Paul, do you recall

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Speaker 3: just he couldn't or he didn't show up for a

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Speaker 3: It was something like that where it was like, I

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Speaker 3: I see Buddha missing most of the voluntary stuff, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I don't. He's just I don't see him being

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Speaker 2: Not only do I remember it, I think I still

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Speaker 3: It was right before the season, because it was I

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Speaker 3: of course I got a phone call while retailgating. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is happening in like an hour.

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Speaker 5: Well you should have known, Darren.

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Speaker 3: I was very upset.

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Speaker 2: Probably saved you from the inevitable ASU loss.

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Speaker 2: Oh you missed the Michigan State win at home?

441
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Speaker 3: No, I was there. I didn't go anywhere. Okay, I

442
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 3: ended up having to call up a certain other person

443
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Speaker 3: who had to do this story.

444
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Speaker 2: Hopefully you weren't sitting next to remain unnamed right now,

445
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Speaker 2: I mean, for your own good fortune. I hope you

446
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: weren't sitting next to Rob Frederickson, because you know, Robin

447
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: person watching a Michigan State football game, and I was

448
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: if they're losing, he comes up swinging.

449
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Speaker 3: I was sitting among Michigan State fans, however, because it

450
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Speaker 3: was me and Paul Corro, who is a good friend

451
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Speaker 3: of mine and who was good friends with a Michigan

452
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Speaker 3: State alone.

453
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Speaker 2: Gotcha. He wasn't happy, by the way. How did Pats

454
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Speaker 2: run go for you there, Darren? How did that go?

455
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

456
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Speaker 3: Okay, I apparently I outran Andrew Caskin in our football person. Yeah,

457
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: well he made the pos that taste Andrew. He comes

458
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 3: up to me and he goes, you did better than me.

459
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I didn't, and he goes, yeah, and

460
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 3: he looked them both up. Andrew is a one time.

461
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Speaker 3: He was on the roster at one point for a

462
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Speaker 3: short amount of time.

463
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I didn't realize it was going to

464
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 4: be like twenty nine thousand people.

465
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Speaker 3: You would have if you would have come.

466
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Speaker 5: You know what.

467
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Speaker 4: That's fair and actually looks a lot of fun. I'd

468
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Speaker 4: like to do it next year.

469
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Speaker 3: I will put out the email as soon as the

470
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Speaker 3: season's over, as I do every year.

471
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Speaker 2: There were about twenty times more people for the run

472
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Speaker 2: than the spring game. Did you go to the spring game?

473
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Speaker 1: Day?

474
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Speaker 3: I did not go to. Sorry, fellow Chaparal grad Kenny Dillingham,

475
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: I did not go to the spring game.

476
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Speaker 2: So, by the way, we have a new mock draft out.

477
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Speaker 2: This is an extra special mock draft because this is

478
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Speaker 2: mel Kiper Todd McShay combo where they actually alternate in

479
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: making picks. So, just when you thought every single possible

480
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: formula for a mock draft was already done, no, they

481
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: went Bryce Young, C. J. Stroud, number two, Will Anderson three.

482
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: Just to let you know, they went all the way

483
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Speaker 2: through three rounds. And I bring this up because here's

484
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: a new name associated with the Cardinals, and I like

485
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Speaker 2: this pick and number sixty six the top round three

486
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: Cardinals go receiver out of Tennessee, Cedric Tillman. You look

487
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Speaker 2: it up. Six three, four, five, four forty. He had

488
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: a breakout junior year, twelve touchdown catches in the SEC.

489
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: He was big time. He had two of his best

490
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: games against Bama and Georgia. But then he had a

491
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: sprained ankle in like Week three of this season, so

492
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Speaker 2: he sort of was off the radar. Beautiful take the

493
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Speaker 2: big receiver out of Tennessee in round three. I would

494
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: love that sort of pick, you know.

495
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Speaker 5: I had.

496
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Speaker 4: When I was on Cardinals Cover two with Craig Griela

497
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Speaker 4: last week, we kind of talked about receivers, and by

498
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Speaker 4: that point I had said, you know, I don't I

499
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Speaker 4: don't see any scenario where you would need to take

500
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Speaker 4: a receiver before Day three, just for the sole fact

501
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 4: that the Cardinals have plenty of other glaring needs and

502
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 4: because this isn't a particularly deep wide receiver's draft class.

503
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Speaker 2: And you're building from the inside out.

504
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: Yes, but he brought up a good point of looking

505
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: at especially if you don't have DeAndre Hopkins. How many

506
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: of those receivers are going to be playing in contract

507
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: years and if the point of the draft is still

508
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: to plan ahead for the future, Yes, defensive line, offensive line, quarterback,

509
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 4: edge rusher are all more glaring needs than a wide receiver. However,

510
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 4: if you feel like you can get some size and

511
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: there's going to be a player who might be a

512
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: little more raw, but you can help fine tune their

513
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 4: skills to where it might be worth it, I would

514
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 4: now be more open after talking on that podcast with

515
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: Craig to taking a wide receiver as early is round three.

516
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Speaker 3: I mean it makes sense to me on a lot

517
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Speaker 3: of different levels because of all the guys that are

518
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 3: going to be in their contract years, and again, the

519
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: Hopkins things changes a lot. You by time, if DeAndre

520
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: Hopkins is still on this team, and if he's not

521
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: on this scene, you're going to need somebody, a big somebody.

522
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Speaker 2: I do believe though, that receiver, yes, is going to

523
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: be addressed at some point in this draft. And you

524
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Speaker 2: know what, if you trade d op and you get

525
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: more picks, I also believe that you go from eight

526
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: picks to nine or ten picks. I know, my hot

527
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 2: take is still out there and I'm standing by it.

528
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: Isaiah Simmons. Do they explore trading Isaiah Simmons. Let me

529
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Speaker 2: ask you a question. If indeed they were going to

530
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Speaker 2: pick up Isaiah Simmons fifth year option, wouldn't we already

531
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Speaker 2: know that?

532
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Speaker 3: I mean they have until May first.

533
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Speaker 4: We've heard so often that they want to see him

534
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: out on the field. I'm sure they're serious about that.

535
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Speaker 5: You don't think so?

536
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: Well, there's a voluntary veteran mini camp. Did I mention

537
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: it's voluntary? It's next week leading up to the draft.

538
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: So I guess I'll find it.

539
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: I'll be there.

540
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out if Isaiah Simmons will even

541
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: be there for the coaches to evaluate.

542
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 5: You know, it's you might not be entirely too far off.

543
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 4: It might be like a simmering take, maybe not a

544
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: hot take, just because with however this coaching staff wants

545
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 4: to take the defense. Maybe Isaiah Simmons wouldn't be the

546
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: right kind of fit that Vance Joseph thought he would

547
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: be in the previous regimes defense, right, I mean he

548
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: was going back and forth linebacker, playing more safety and

549
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: playing in the slot in all these other places, and

550
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 4: maybe that isn't where this coaching staff right, But like,

551
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: maybe he just isn't as good of a fit with

552
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: that skill set here now as he once was. And

553
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 4: you're right, I think other teams would be willing to

554
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 4: make a trade for Isaiah Simmons.

555
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: Isaiah Simmons is an elite athlete.

556
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not to say that he's a bad player.

557
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: It wouldn't add more to the defense if he were

558
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: still here.

559
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: We all agree on that. It's just who are you?

560
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: Where are you? Where do you belong? In the NFL.

561
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: Everyone makes this Hassan Reddick comparison, especially with a fifth

562
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: year option hanging out there. I get that to a

563
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: certain degree. But remember Hassan Reddick had already excelled at

564
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: one position in college. He was an All American as

565
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: an edge rusher, So when they returned him to edge rusher,

566
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: he felt immediately at home and it was like a

567
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: fish to water. Now, Isaiah Simmons, you can't say that

568
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: about him. He played a half dozen different positions in college.

569
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: He's played a half dozen different positions in the NFL.

570
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: You asked different players and different coaches where he belongs,

571
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: and you get different answers. Even last year, they started

572
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: the offseason by putting him in the safety room. That's

573
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: where he resided in terms of a position group. So's

574
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: there's still an absence of an answer as to where

575
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: he belongs in an NFL defense. Now, maybe this coaching

576
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: staff already has something in mind. I've asked the question

577
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: multiple times during press conferences. They are not willing to

578
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: answer it, not yet, So whether they know whether he's

579
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: in the future plans or not. Once again, I would

580
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 2: not be shocked if indeed there was interest in Isaiah

581
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: Simmons come the draft time and it was entertained.

582
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I think at this point, guys, I mean,

583
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: let's face it, I would think everybody's potentially could be

584
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: on the table right.

585
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 5: Now, including you, Paul, just kidding.

586
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: That was actually I mean, I think where they are

587
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: as a team, what they need, what how they're going

588
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: to need to build to the future. I mean, I'm

589
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: taking calls on everybody if somebody wants to call. I

590
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm shopping, but I'm taking calls.

591
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And I don't think it's necessarily all.

592
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: It wouldn't all just be because you don't know whether

593
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: or not they're a good fit here. I think where

594
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: the Cardinals find themselves is give a lot of work

595
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: to be done to turn things around from the inside out.

596
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 4: And so if you can get a lot for a player,

597
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: even if they might be great, that might be worth

598
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: it to have more capital, whether that is through draft

599
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: picks in the future or other veterans to come in

600
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: kind of in multiple positions and kind of you know,

601
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: plan ahead for the future. More so in that sense,

602
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: there's just there's a lot of work that has to

603
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: be done to where you're right, Darren, I think at

604
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: this point your phone lines have to be open for

605
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 4: any player.

606
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: So how far do you think this veteran voluntary mini

607
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: camp will go in the coaches trying to get a

608
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: sense of who they have and what their interest is

609
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: and cam how much can you really accomplish out on

610
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: that field, and how much we'll see some of these

611
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: players in person for the first time as opposed to film.

612
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: And they've obviously watched every single snap of every game

613
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: at this point the new coaching staff of who's going

614
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: to be in each one of the position rooms. But

615
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: to what degree do you think maybe what you see

616
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: out on that grass might sort of confirm or deny

617
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: what you already think about a player and then result

618
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: in a move or not.

619
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Speaker 3: I mean, I find it hard to believe at one

620
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: voluntary mini camp and it's the first time that they're

621
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: on the field at all, because they haven't been on

622
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: the field at all other than running and doing conditioning.

623
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think anything is being decided now now,

624
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: And that's that's part of the issue. Like people talk

625
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: about you you mentioned the fact about potentially trading Isaiah,

626
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: They're not gonna know what they want to do with

627
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: Isaiah going into the draft. They're not gonna know. There's

628
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: not there's not gonna be enough time. I mean, I

629
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: shouldn't say they're not gonna know. They might have an

630
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: idea what they want to do, but they're not gonna

631
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: know how that translates to the field enough. So I mean,

632
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: some of this stuff is gonna have to be determined

633
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: that way, And and that's where the other parts of

634
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: it become fascinating. Is our I agree, you want a

635
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: draft now, you want draft picks now if you're making

636
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: any of these potential trades. But these trades don't have

637
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: to happen draft weekend. They could happen later, true, who knows.

638
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm operating on a two year timeline. For example,

639
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: like that USC offensive lineman Andrew Vorhees.

640
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: Who towards al towards.

641
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: ACL at the combine. It was terrible, but then he

642
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: came back and actually topped everyone in the bench press,

643
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: which was great to see you with with a torn ACL.

644
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: So let's say he really falls because of the ACL.

645
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: Guess what if he's an elite offensive lineman, I would

646
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: invest a pick right there and just wait it out

647
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: and pencil him in for twenty twenty four, not on

648
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: like you sort of did with Marquise Hayes. Now, Marquise

649
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Hayes isn't the same caliber player coming out of Oklahoma,

650
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: but he impressed in camp and you kept him on

651
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: and kept him around because you're thinking, okay, twenty twenty three,

652
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: and I think we're all curious to see what he

653
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: looks like out there. What else? What else do you

654
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: think needs to be accomplished can be accomplished during this

655
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: voluntary mini camp. Where do you think Jonathan Gannon's eyes

656
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: are gonna go along with Manti asin Ford? What would

657
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: you be most curious to maybe ascertain in those three days.

658
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: Well, this is where Darren correct that part of the workouts,

659
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: it's offense isn't going up against defense, But they're no,

660
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: you can't.

661
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: You can't because this is officially a mini camp, so

662
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: they can't put on helmets and it can be offense defense.

663
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: This is phase three work. We're just jumping ahead a

664
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: little bit.

665
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Interesting and I'll say this, can you necessarily prove anything definitive?

666
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but you can prove you don't belong. Yes,

667
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: Like cornerbacks, for example, what's happened before get roasted by

668
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: receivers and you're like, oh boy, this guy's not an

669
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: NFL cornerback. Sorry, and he's gone. So you can learn

670
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: those sort of things. Kind of guy really move?

671
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: Is he?

672
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: You know? Is he more of a box player? Can

673
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: he actually be? You know that sort of thing?

674
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think too of just kind of looking at

675
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: those fundamentals, kind of what are they working with essentially

676
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: this coaching staff, and also maybe the type of learners

677
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: they have on this roster whatever that is of the

678
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: coaching staff working with these players and maybe understanding the

679
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: new nuances and things of that nature. You know, how

680
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: fast can you learn what this new coaching staff is

681
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: trying to teach you.

682
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm we're not going to know for sure, and we're

683
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: way far away. But I mean, this team now has

684
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: three veteran quarterbacks on the roster that have all started

685
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: a couple at least a few games. I mean David

686
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: blou has only started a few, but eleven for Jeff driscoll,

687
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: and then cool of course Colt McCoy. I mean, everybody's

688
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: making the assumption Colt is your starter until Kyler gets back,

689
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: but it's not guaranteed, and it's going to be interesting

690
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: to see if one of these other guys can make

691
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: some inroads. And like you said, you're not making any

692
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: decisions absolute right now, but you know this is a

693
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: chance to impress even before the rookie show up. I

694
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: mean at the end of the mini camp, that's when

695
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: the draft starts. You know, you know you're going to

696
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: be taking a cornerback for instance, and all that stuff.

697
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: But if you're Christian Matthew, can you make some inroads

698
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: right now to this staff, say, you know you might

699
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: be drafting a cornerback, but even though I'm a seventh

700
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: round pick from last year, I can do some things.

701
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: Yep, I mean I also want to see some of

702
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: these guys out there, you know, whether maybe they what

703
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: sort of offseason do they have? Were they able to bulk

704
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: up a little bit, especially some of the rookies, What

705
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: do they look like after a full NFL offseason and

706
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: being around the weight room and that sort of thing,

707
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: especially like a guy like a Christian Matthew coming out

708
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: of a smaller school. All right, so what is four

709
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: months working out on your own do for you and

710
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: maybe some of your measurables. But you mentioned mentioned the

711
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: three veteran quarterbacks. Jeff Driscoll comes over, and it makes

712
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: sense in some ways. He has experience with David Sears

713
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: from the Detroit days. He's actually a teammate of David

714
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: Blow once upon a time. And as Drew stand has

715
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: said multiple times on the Red Sea Report, this offseason,

716
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: you want to make sure you have the mix that

717
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: vibe in the quarterback room. You don't want to take

718
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: a chance on an unknown in the quarterback room somehow

719
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: being a negative influence or of any sort when you

720
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: have a franchise quarterback, right, so boom true bring you

721
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: got to bring in a known so everyone feels comfortable

722
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: with the Jeff Driscoll big arm. Heck. I think you're

723
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: still going to add a quarterback in the draft. I

724
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: really do.

725
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: I would agree with that later on the draft. If

726
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: we had cameras in here, I'd ask them to roll

727
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: a replay because when you were talking about having the

728
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: right type of person in the room, I got to

729
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: sharp eyes from Darren urban over there.

730
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: Just saying I was wondering if those were directed anyone

731
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: in particular, And the answer is you actually, Danny Sokay,

732
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: it appears to be that way, all right. Well, you

733
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: know he's going on the offensive after you know, I

734
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: took the brunt of your criticism earlier. So Darren's decided

735
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 2: maybe the.

736
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 5: Best way he knows he's next.

737
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Fight fire with fires. So there's that.

738
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: No, I agree, you still got to take a quarterback

739
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: late in the draft.

740
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: And you're right, you don't know what they think of

741
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: a Colt McCoy. Who knows, but I fully expect a

742
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: Day three quarterback and probably a dual threat quarterback. So

743
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: you can run a very similar offense to what you're

744
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: gonna run when you have Kyler Murray in the huddle.

745
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: So we'll see about that. You know, as for whether

746
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: quarterback is going to go one two in this draft,

747
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: we continue to have a lot of smoke being thrown

748
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: out there. You John McClain, the Great John McClain of

749
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans, been covering them for decades as the GM,

750
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 2: Nick Cassario, could you come out of this draft without

751
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: a quarterback? And because Sario said, quote anything is possible, Nope, sorry,

752
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: you are coming out of this draft with a quarterback

753
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: if you're the Houston Texans.

754
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 4: Come on, what else are they going to say to me?

755
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: It's all smoke again. Maybe something crazy could happen where

756
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 4: the Taxans stay at two and they don't draft a quarterback.

757
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: But they're also sitting at twelve, so at the very

758
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: least they would probably pick a quarterback there. You would

759
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: find some sort of package to trade up and get

760
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: a quarterback, or I just I don't see them not

761
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: drafting a quarterback at two.

762
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: Here's here's the issue that I have with the quarterback

763
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: at twelve, because now you're talking about probably getting me

764
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: maybe the fourth or fifth best guy.

765
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: No, yeah, you'd probably trade up, but by that point,

766
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: right is that how far are you willing to trade up?

767
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 4: If that's what you're planning is you might as well

768
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: take a quarterback at two.

769
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: That's would be my point. My point is is just

770
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: take the quarterback at two. Why would you Why would

771
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: you gamble on trying to get somebody? And you know

772
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: the Cardinals did that once upon a time. They ended

773
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: up with the fourth quarterback. Oh, the fifth quarterback. I

774
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: forget how many quarterbacks. It was the fourth and that

775
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: didn't work out very well, No, it didn't, and they

776
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: traded up to get him.

777
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, someone put out a stat that's

778
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: Josh Rosen.

779
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: Everybody.

780
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: Just someone put out a stat on Josh Rosen because

781
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: on Draft Day he made the comment both to the

782
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: media and at our Draft day party by the way, hint, hint,

783
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: Draft Day party going on on the Great Lawn out

784
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: at State Farm Stadium. In fact, he said it first

785
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: in the satellite hookup the one on one interview. We

786
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: were up on the stage and he said, nine mistakes

787
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: were made ahead of me. I'll be the best quarterback

788
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: in this draft. Someone pointed out that he actually has

789
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: nine more career interceptions than he does career touchdown passes

790
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: in the NFL, So that's the nine mistakes Josh Rosen.

791
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: By the way, Michael Lombardi, former NFLGM, on the Pat

792
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: McAfee show this week said he does not believe Houston

793
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: will draft CJ. Stroud after Bryce Young goes number one

794
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: to Carolina, that Demiko Ryans is in it for the

795
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: long haul, and that they don't believe that CJ. Stro

796
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: is the guy, hence they won't make him the guy.

797
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: And then he went on to say, and I'm quoting

798
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: Michael Lombardi now, quote I think teams are now starting

799
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: to accept that Stroud is not going number two, and

800
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: I think more work is being done. End quote Michael Lombardi.

801
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: So let's just throw this out there because we talked

802
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: about this on the Red Sea Report. Brycetng goes number one,

803
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: Will Anderson goes number two. Cardinals are on the clock

804
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: number three. All of a sudden, teams have soured for

805
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: whatever reason on CJ. Stroud. Maybe he doesn't interview you. Well,

806
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're not willing to come up to

807
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: number three for Anthony Richardson or Will Levis. Cardinals are

808
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: sitting there at number three. They're on the clock. They're

809
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: not getting an offer they can't refuse. Who do you take?

810
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: You go Corner? You go with the Illinois corner, Devin Witherspoon,

811
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: do you go Christian Gonzales?

812
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: What does my board look like? Paul? I just go

813
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: off my board? What does my board look like?

814
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: Tyree Wilson? Because your board is always a mix of

815
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: talent and need. That's diary.

816
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: Quarterback cornerbacks just as much as edge rush.

817
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: I get it. But if you don't have corner as

818
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: one of those, you know, highest rate of positions for example,

819
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: I I I definitely think in quarterback quarterback get to

820
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: the quarterback are always one two, I think in terms

821
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: of every team's need. So great question because it is

822
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 2: a possibility if c J. Stroud does not go number two,

823
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: Cardinals aren't taking c J. Stroud. And if nobody wants

824
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: them at three, who do you take of Will Anderson's off.

825
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: The board.

826
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: Training down?

827
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say. The next thing I'm doing

828
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: is is there somebody.

829
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: Who does want you're not getting? Nobody is giving you

830
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 2: a great offer for three?

831
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 4: I'd probably go Tyrie Wilson, probably go with I probably.

832
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: Mean that way. I mean, I know cornerbacks have gone three,

833
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: But like I just was talking in the mailbag of

834
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: this week about Jeff Akuda who went and that did

835
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: not work out very well, and the Lines have already

836
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: traded him and he for.

837
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: A fifth round pick. That's it. They traded Jeff Akudah

838
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: for a fifth round pick.

839
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: This is this is good. This is because it came

840
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: up and a fan said, why wouldn't we offer at

841
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: least a fourth? If he's going for a fifth, why

842
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't we offer a fourth? Does it not bother anybody

843
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: that no one was willing to offer more than a

844
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: fifth for Jeff Akudah? You're gonna tell me the Detroit

845
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: Lions said, took the first fifth round offer and didn't

846
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: and didn't try and see if anybody want to do better.

847
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: Doesn't that tell you something about Jeff Akuda. I'm just saying,

848
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: like everybody falls in love with like, why couldn't we

849
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: have gotten that guy? Well, guess what the Cardinals did

850
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: that last year? They went after a former first round pick.

851
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: I can't remember if he was former first or second,

852
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: but they traded a fourth round pick for a guy

853
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: that washed out at his previous team, and they said,

854
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: we're going to take a fire on him. Guess what

855
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: Cody Ford didn't do much.

856
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you gave him multiple picks for Robbie Anderson.

857
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

858
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: So okay, there you go. I'm not sure. I I'm

859
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: not sure I got an answer to my question though,

860
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: who are you taking a number three? Everyone sort of

861
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: has conveniently avoided that.

862
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 5: That's not true, I said Wilson.

863
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: Tyrie Wilson. All right, by the way, you know it's

864
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: lyon cs when you have Carolina GM. Scott Fitter telling

865
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: the media with a straight face that he still quote

866
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: still hasn't asked Frank Reich who he prefers with number

867
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: one overall. Scott Fitter said that this week he still

868
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: hasn't asked his head coach who he prefers.

869
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: This is starting to feel like the Kyler Murray thing

870
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: around here, like we haven't decided and we're not talking.

871
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I don't know.

872
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: Can you fully believe everything that they're saying at this point?

873
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: Speaking of Kyler Murray, There's been a lot of questions

874
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: in Carolina about the size, obviously of Bryce Young and

875
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: the GM was equipped with a stat he said. Russell Wilson,

876
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: his senior year at Wisconsin, had three balls batted down

877
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: all year, Bryce Young last year, your head two balls

878
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: spat it down at the line of scrimmage. So that

879
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: was his way of explaining that, you know, guys who

880
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: are five to ten figure out a way to get

881
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: it done. You know they have, They've been five to

882
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: ten their whole life, so they've had to figure out

883
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: a way to see the field of find passing lag.

884
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, there you go. Yeah, so, uh, there's that.

885
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Speaker 2: I just thought i'd throw that out there because I

886
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: find that entertaining leading up to the drafts some of

887
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: the you know, obfuscation, uh and elsewhere in this thing.

888
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: But and by the way, you know, if you really

889
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: want what's going to happen on d Hop, do you see?

890
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: Von Miller told the Buffalo News quote, I talked to

891
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 2: Hop all the time, and it's kind of the same

892
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: thing with Obj. You just never know until you know.

893
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: Hopps said he wanted to be a Buffalo. Bill von

894
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: Miller to the Buffalo News this week.

895
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he would.

896
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: You pay him and he'll play anywhere.

897
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you pay him and you send a second round

898
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: draft pick to the Cardinals and pay anywhere, because guess what,

899
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: he's not a free agent.

900
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: It hasn't been Yeah, all right, so what I didn't

901
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: glance at the mailbag yet, Tarren. How many questions did

902
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: you get about the alleged new uniforms.

903
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: It's funny I didn't get any this week, Come on now, No,

904
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: But I mean again, there were other topics on the

905
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: table that people wanted to talk about.

906
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: It is true.

907
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, potential new uniforms is not one of them.

908
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: There was nothing about the case in the middle of

909
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: the desert and DJ Humphreys taking the chopper out there

910
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: to retrieve the case, and not that I got. I

911
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: like the double I like his name, Agent double O

912
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: seven to four.

913
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was solid, pretty cool.

914
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: That was well done. He might want to he might

915
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: want to use some of that. Actually, he might want

916
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: to use that moniker going forward and marketing agent double

917
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: O seven four. It's good, it's it's well done. So

918
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: I think you probably get props with DJ Humphries if

919
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: you're referred to him in that manner. You know, indeed,

920
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: by the way, do us all favor this year talk

921
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: to the media more often, okay, you know, share that vibrant,

922
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: effervescent personality with the fine media in front of the

923
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: cameras and the microphones because you crush it every time,

924
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: you know, don't be a little more willing with that.

925
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: It's just kelvc insulting throwing that out there for you.

926
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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Bingo cards are being marked down.

927
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: I thought i'd throw that out, Darren. Wasn't there something

928
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: you wanted to mention that you said save it for

929
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Speaker 2: the podcast before we actually.

930
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Speaker 3: Hit that that I had forgotten about that because I

931
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Speaker 3: know our fine friends in Germany on the German Burgang

932
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Speaker 3: listen to our podcast, and we did do. Danny and

933
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 3: I did a podcast with them this week. I'm surprised

934
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Speaker 3: this week, I'm surprised.

935
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Speaker 2: Isn't that like isn't that like three in a row?

936
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: Just the two of you have done with the German burden?

937
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Speaker 3: You would you like to do the next one? Would

938
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: you like to do that?

939
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Speaker 1: No?

940
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Speaker 5: They did.

941
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Speaker 4: They did send their love to polypodcasts and that is

942
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Speaker 4: what they called.

943
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 3: Yes they did, Okay, yeah, we'll find it, and so yes,

944
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: we wanted to pass along that they did send their love.

945
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Speaker 2: By the way, that reminds me. I have a picture

946
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: on my phone from late last season. There were like

947
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Speaker 2: five members of the German bird Gang and it was

948
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Speaker 2: many hours before kickoff. I'm going in for the pregame

949
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: show and they were taking pictures with a German bird

950
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Speaker 2: Gang banner right in front of State Farm Stadium. I

951
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: never tweeted that out. I was going in and they

952
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: were taking pictures. I took a picture of them taking

953
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Speaker 2: a picture of themselves in front of State Farm Stadium.

954
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: So I have that on my phone. So just to

955
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: show what a big hearted human being I am, I'll

956
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: retweet the podcast with the two of you only in it.

957
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: Yet I'll cross promote it. Be it my own, my

958
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: own Polly platform with a picture.

959
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: It was video and the whole time Danny was complaining

960
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: she had to sit too close to me. So I

961
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: don't know three of us would have wait a minute.

962
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Speaker 3: Was that one of those situations where when somebody comes

963
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: up to you, uh, can we have a picture and

964
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: you're like yeah, sure, and you're like, here, take this

965
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: phone and then take a.

966
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Speaker 2: Picture of No, they were taking pictures of themselves. I

967
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: just came by as an innocent bystander and just saw

968
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: didn't know who you were. No, they had no idea.

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00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they even noticed that I took a

970
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: picture of them taking a picture.

971
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Speaker 3: Of themselves so that you didn't take it for them.

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Speaker 2: You just don't know. I actually know, I have the

973
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: whole thing. So okay, okay, you guys, since I'm sure

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00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: they don't follow me either, identify where the tweet is

975
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: with the podcast, and once again I'll retweet it anyway.

976
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Speaker 3: Wait, you don't follow German bird game. I'm pretty sure

977
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: I do.

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00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: My Twitter timeline is such a mess, right is anybody?

979
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: I mean, there's reasons for that, Paul, you know that, right,

980
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: And I firmly blame the Bay Area and certain people

981
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: that have business is there.

982
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to have the people I went

983
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: to high school with to probably involved with this the

984
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: mess that is Twitter right now? Why is it? By

985
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: the way, my one my one rant here at the

986
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Speaker 2: end of Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific Office automation,

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00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: when you select show fewer tweets from does that even work?

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00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: That's like, honestly, I feel like it depends now who

989
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: you're asking to show fewer tweets about.

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Speaker 3: I've never even seen this. What is this?

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00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? If you like, if you get a tweet in

992
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: your timeline that you're like, where did this come from

993
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: you select it? You're presented with options?

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Speaker 5: Is that just for an AD though?

995
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: I think it's just for ad?

996
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: No, No, it's from It's it's from content.

997
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: Is teaching Darren and myself about technology.

998
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: Once once we turn off these microphones, I will show

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00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: you and I will show you some of the repeat

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00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: offenders who I keep de selecting and I hit the

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00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: button shore fewer tweets from And actually I think it's

1002
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: just the opposite. It's sort of like spam. Once you acknowledge,

1003
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 2: you try and block spam, and then it increases exponentially.

1004
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: That's what's going on right now.

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00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: Well, again, I thought you were close personal friends with

1006
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, so I'm sure you could just talk to him.

1007
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: Having grown up in the Silicon Valley, I don't want

1008
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: to talk about some of the losers I went to

1009
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: high school with who got like Yahoo stock twenty years

1010
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: ago and they're multi billionaires right now, and that kind

1011
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: of those kind of stories with dot coms that they

1012
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: cashed in on.

1013
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Speaker 3: It's really aggravating.

1014
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so thanks for making me feel better about myself. Here.

1015
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Speaker 2: This edition of Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific Office

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Speaker 2: Automation as I where the big L is, my thirteen

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Speaker 2: year old would tell me