1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Welcome to a special two pm edition of Big Book 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Kick Off live right here on Giants dot com, presented 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: by our new sponsor, Corps Light. John Schmelt. Pauled Toatino 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: with you. We welcome cores Light on board. They'll be 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: with us through the entire season. Good to have a 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: sponsor and we'll be talking Giants football. This is our 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: first show since the Giants preseason victory against the Detroit 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: Lions last Friday night in Detroit. UM I was at 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: practice all week. Paul came out there for the game. 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Obviously we could talk about that, um Paul, But first 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: real quick practice today. UM, it looks like today is 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: gonna be This week's gonna be filled with carded practices, 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: which basically, for the fans out there that don't know, 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: is when the offense and defense go against each other, 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: only one side is running Giant plays. The other side 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be running stuff that the Jets will be 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: running on Friday. And they call it a card at 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: practice because a member of the coaching staff holds up 19 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: a card and that card will show that side of 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: the ball what played a run. So that's what that is. Yeah, 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: it was interesting. We just did our Twitter report earlier 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: when John asked me about the carded practice, I was 23 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: going philosophically. You were actually talking about the logistics of 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: holding up the car absolutely, which which was cool and 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: and I'm glad we got that explanation out in both 26 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: ways to the fans as a result. To be perfectly 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: frank with you, this was a rather routine practice, not 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: a lot of exciting spectacular and I'll slop it. You know, 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: there were there were a lot of drops out there today, Paul. 30 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: You know, on both sides of the ball, offense and defense. 31 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: There were at least two deceptions that were dropped. Ogletree 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: had one a terribly limatic past. Yeah, there was another 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: draw apple I think had a chance that it wanted 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: his hands. Okay, Um, that wasn't too cool. Travis Rudolph 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: had two drops, I believe, right right in front of 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: me and hands. I still don't know how he dropped 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: both of those pasts. What was It wasn't the sharpest day, Okay, 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: it happens. Not all gonna be great. And you you 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: have some ebbs and flows over the over the you know, 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: pace of training camp, and you know, based off the 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: last week, you know, we talked about this a lot 42 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: when the Giants were in Cincinnati three years ago. We 43 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: left Cincinnati saying, oh, this, this could be trouble, but 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: the same this time it was not. I thought the 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: Giants outplayed the lines on both sides of the ball. 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Um To be quite honest with you, Um, look, that 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: could mean a lot of different things. The lines maybe 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: didn't have a good week of practice. Frankly, they seemed 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: a little bit out of it. They didn't seem super chatty, enthusiastic, sharp, 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: like out going and everything like that, which is odd. 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Matt Pictures has been kind of wearing them 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: that a lot the first few weeks. I don't know, 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: but whatever the case is, I feel good about the 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: starting units on both sides of the ball right now, 55 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: and I feel pretty good that those units are not 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna be overmatch, unless maybe the lines would just be 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: a really bad team. I don't know that to be 58 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: the case. I wouldn't expect that they've been around eight 59 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: or nine wins over the last couple of years, but 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy with what I saw from the first 61 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: and second teams during practice. I agree with your sentiments. 62 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I will also give you a bit of an explanation. 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: One of the Lions staff members told me that because 64 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: they had gone out to California and had done a 65 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: full week of dual practices with the Raiders the previous week, 66 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: they had been somewhat gassed, and so doing two weeks 67 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: of dual practices first on the road in California, then 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: coming back home and meeting the Giants. Uh. It had 69 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: been explained to me that some of the Lions folks 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: thought that was a bit much. That makes sense, makes sense, Um, 71 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: that is a bit much. I've never heard of teams 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: doing that twice. Apparently Belichick has done it on occasion. 73 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: Somebody told me, And that's where Patricia got any from. 74 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Patrician got it from exactly. Uh So, I don't know. 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what the future holds for dual practices 76 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: with coach pat Shermer, although I would expect to get 77 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: a lot out of these balls. I think they'll be back. 78 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: I would expect, based on his response, he'd want to 79 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: do it again. But remember, you can only do it 80 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: if you've got a friendly head coach on the other 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: side who you trust and you know, and you can 82 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: plan things accordingly. Do you know one solution could be 83 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: you ask the lines to come here next yime with 84 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: my guest, and I think usually they'd like to do 85 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: home at homes with this sort of thing. I would 86 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: imagine that would have been the plan with the Bengals 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: three years ago. But of course Tom moved on after 88 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: that year. He was let go, so it was a 89 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: new coaching staff and things change. Then Ben mcley didn't 90 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: want to do the joint practices. Stop the Vikings come 91 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: here next year. Would that shock you because Sherman knows 92 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Mike Zammer, Yeah, that wouldn't shock me. Remember Shermer trust patrician, 93 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: and he had a big he He repeated himself about 94 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: that many times over the course of the week. So UM, 95 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: So that's my overall take from practice. I'm asked happy 96 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: to answer more specific questions you might have at two, one, five, one, three, 97 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought I thought the first teams on 98 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball performed pretty admirably. Um in 99 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: terms of the game on Friday, Paul, if you takeaways 100 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: from me besides the obvious, you know, the game's three 101 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: yays old. I don't want to do a full tilt 102 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: review of it. Um going back and looking at the tape, Obviously, 103 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: to me the big story is how old Davids Webb 104 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: played fourteen hundred forty yards uh two excellent passes down 105 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: the field that to me were the most impressive, one 106 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: the strolling Shepherd on the aag rat. The other two 107 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd the deep passed down like kind of down 108 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: the numbers on the right side and throw sweet grab 109 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: and what and and as accurate and good as those 110 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: those were, and his feet were really good on both plays, 111 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: which is why that those are so accurate. On that 112 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: Shepherd though especially it was a single high safety look 113 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: being showed by the lines right at right off the snap, 114 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: he looks left to sterling Shepherd, gives a little shoulder 115 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: pump moves the safety, which freed up Shepherd on the 116 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: other side. So that was the kind of very little, subtle, 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: veteran quarterback type of thing that impressed me as a 118 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: little smaller part of of what Webb did overall in 119 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: that game. In my conversation with Davis, I did not 120 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: ask him about the touchdown past to Goldman. Have you 121 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him about it? I 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: did not, But Goldman was I mean, okay, he juked 123 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: that line's linebackground of his mind, he was wide open. 124 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't think he was the primary receiver. I think 125 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: he was the secondary receiver on the play. He could 126 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: have watched it. I've watched it, and I think I 127 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: think he was looking more towards the end zone own 128 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: and then when he saw that Goldman had absolutely destroyed 129 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: the linebacker coming across the middle, he checked down and 130 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: and had the touchdown. Which, yes, that's how I saw it. 131 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: And I know this coach Truman made very specific, very 132 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: specific comments to us in our broadcasters meeting, and I'm 133 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: not telling you a these secrets, folks. He is very 134 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: very very much emphasizing having checked down running backs in 135 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: his formation, and the other thing he's emphasized he wants 136 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: completed passes. Uh. He is a completion percentage head coach, 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: which is partly of what that does. That's why I 138 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: just jumped on top of that with you, because you 139 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: know he does not want the quarterbacks that thought complete passes. 140 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: He doesn't want second intent, alright, he does not one 141 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: second intent if you thought, you know, to your completion 142 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: at least second and eight. So I think you're gonna 143 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: see these giant quarterbacks at least from if they follow 144 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: the directions of the coach, UM do a lot of 145 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: that stuff. If things down the field of darn't open. 146 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: He wants completions. He does not want incomplete passes thrown. 147 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: So and by the way the Shepherd play, he came 148 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: back to Shepherd. He started that play looking right and 149 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: then came back left and through deep to Shephard. So 150 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: those are a couple of things that I like from webb. Um. 151 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: I thought Andrew Adams again around the line of scrimmage, 152 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: did a really nice job um and run support. He 153 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: made a couple of plays tackles for losst the line 154 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. A natural strong safety and I said this 155 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: to yesterday. To me, he's the perfect Landing Collins backup, 156 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. I think both guys 157 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: are good at similar things. He's a natural strong safety 158 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: and we know that. And unfortunately, because the Giants came 159 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: into camp with an unsorted spotted free safety, he was 160 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: thrown into that mix to try to compete for Remember 161 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: he played center field in baseball too. He was like, oh, 162 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: this is natural for me. It's not what he does 163 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: well on the football field. He's a better strong safety, 164 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: better come up run support. That's what he That's what 165 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: he's he's good at um. So hey, you know what, though, 166 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Curtis Riley was invisible in the game and that he 167 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong, and that's half the battle for 168 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: a free safety. So give him a leg up on 169 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: the job, right. I think he has to be. He 170 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: was with the first team to get in practice and 171 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: I think b W Webb has the leg up right 172 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: now and the slock corner spot. I thought he played 173 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: well again then he was playing outside two later in 174 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: the game. So um, I think b wbs on this team. 175 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: What is his exact role is gonna be We'll see, 176 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: but I think he's done enough to prove that to 177 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: the coaches. I think he's done a very nice job. 178 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Kerry Win, I think he's earned his way onto this team. 179 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: Paul a couple of goods, a couple of special teams tackles. Um, 180 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: he's rushing from that three technique and sub package, getting 181 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: too the quarterback a little bit. I think Carry Wins 182 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: had a very strong preseason. Carry Win is one of 183 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: those guys who he's quiet, he's humble, he works hard, 184 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: he will do everything the coach asks him to do. 185 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Coaches love those kinds of guys, and what you hope 186 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: is that during the course of the regular season you'll 187 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: get some productivity that warrants him being around. Uh with 188 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: Kerry Win. The problem is you don't always see that 189 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: productivity during the course of the regular sea. And you 190 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: want to see some more stats, You want to see 191 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: some more splash plays. But what the coaches like is consistency, knowledge, respect, 192 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: all the things that that give them reason not to 193 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: worry about the guy. One of the things that impressed 194 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: me in the second quarter, when the lines still their 195 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: first team offensive line in Lorenzo Carter had two very 196 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: nice bull rush pass rushes. It wasn't even speed rushes. 197 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: He got right into Taylor Decker's chest with his like 198 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: stretched arm and he backed him up right into the quarterback. 199 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: I thought, those are two very impressive pass us moves 200 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: out of him. Yeah, that was very nice. In the course, 201 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: you don't think him as a power rusher either, which 202 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: is why it was so surprising. Well, he's got length. 203 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Exact length leads to leverage in those situations. He gets 204 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: to punch first and now he can do something. He 205 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: gets his hands on the tackle before the tackle gets 206 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: his hands on him. A beautiful thing. Oh Vie had 207 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: a sack early too, where the pressure just swarm Stafford 208 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: by the way, he I'll try to be nice. He 209 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: had his way with Taylor Decker all week. He could 210 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: not block him. That's a good thing. It's not bad. 211 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: That's certainly true. When no Kuara and uh and over 212 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: he had the sacks the other Yes, a gum a 213 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: g uh a j Francis. Francis did not have any 214 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: tackles for loss in the game, but he was in 215 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: the backfield on two or three run plays and he 216 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: got some penetration. So even though the numbers aren't that 217 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: for him, I think he played pretty well. I agree 218 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: with you, John, and he's a he's a puzzle to 219 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: me because there are two more preseason games to go. 220 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: I have him as a bubble guy, I have him on. 221 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: I think he I think he's gonna make the roster. 222 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: I think you've got a good chance at it. But 223 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm still gonna hold my breath. I'm gonna throw this 224 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: out to you. When we talked a little bit about 225 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: the Giants maybe addressing some of their positions of scarcity 226 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: at this point, you know, the defensive back death, maybe 227 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: UM wide receiver death, maybe offensive line depth tackle. We've 228 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: spoken about that, and we've spoken about maybe having to 229 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: do it by a trade when teams like they did 230 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: with Ross Cockro last year, when they make a move 231 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: and and trade for a player at the trade right 232 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: right before cuts are made. Here's the problem. And I 233 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: was talking about this with somebody yesterday and like, you know, 234 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: I don't even think about that, and I'm not sure 235 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: if you have. But remember, they already lost their third 236 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: round pick for the last next year, and they already 237 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: lost their seventh round pick for last for next year. 238 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: So they might have to do a player for player trade, 239 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: which is much less common at this time of year. 240 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: Usually it's you know, it's a it's a UM conditional 241 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: pick or something like that. So I could see the 242 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Giants taking from a position of strength, which I think 243 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: right now is their defensive line for a team that 244 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: plays at three four I count, not even counting the 245 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: edge rushers. Now I count you know, seven, Maybe you 246 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: know traditional defensive linement that I think you're good enough 247 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: to make this team. Maybe they can move one of 248 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: those guys and try to get something at one of 249 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: their positions in need. The compensatory selection is going to 250 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: be interesting. I think I saw an estimate that the 251 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: Giants are gonna get maybe a third or a fourth 252 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: round next year's draft based on free agent. Remember we 253 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: talked about that. We don't think that's gonna happen. Though, no, 254 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: I believe Over the Cap has them getting They think 255 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a four. We should. We could pop 256 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: it up on your machine. They it looks like they 257 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: may get one. They make it that high though third 258 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: or fourth round only three or four teams get third 259 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: round picks. What did I say? I thought I looked 260 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: this up after we had that conversation. In any event, 261 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: I do think they're gonna get one back according to 262 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Over the Cap. Take a glance. I'm right now, and 263 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: and that may alter their ability to make a move 264 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: or not. But they can't trade that supplemental pick now. 265 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: But it's not going to be awarded until next But 266 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, if whatever round it is that 267 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: they are, they are relatively sure it's gonna be in, 268 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: they could trade their regular pick in that round if 269 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: they so cheer, they're going to get another one. Projecting 270 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. Yeah, what he got from picks. He's 271 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: got the Vikings getting four picks, the Patriots getting four picks, 272 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: the Redskins getting four picks, the Bengals, Rams, Eagles getting three, 273 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: the Falcons Panthers getting too. He does not have the 274 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: Giants on his list. Nowhere, nowhere got over to cap. 275 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: I believe, I believe over the cap had them getting somebody. 276 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: There we go, I got two thousand nineteen. Here we 277 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: go for the New York Football Giants. And again the 278 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: NFL keeps his formula under lock and keys. So people 279 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: are just I don't know, but so people are just 280 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: projecting here. Uh no, they don't have the Giants getting anything. 281 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: They don't, then then I am mistaken. That's okay, okay, 282 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: we want to make sure we have the information right. 283 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: It's no question. Well that's why I asked you to 284 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: look up. Um, here's the thing. They'll give you the 285 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: crap formula that converts into quarterback rating, and they won't 286 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: give you the compensatory draft pick rate. Uh quick formula. 287 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm think about that. Come on, NFL, get with it, 288 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: because if you think about it, they're there are two 289 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: big losses in free agency or Richberg and Pew. Right, Yes, 290 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: but they brought in Solder, which cancels at at least 291 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: one of those guys. And then you know you added 292 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: a mom a uh you added uh. Cockro actually got 293 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: a decent buck from Carolina. I'm sure he'll be in 294 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: the equation somehow, I'm not sure. I'm curious to see 295 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: if that Why can actually look at it right here? 296 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too much on a tangent here, 297 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: but now I'm curious because we don't know what the 298 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: stupid formula is. So it's even like kind of almost 299 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: dumped the way the way these guys do it. They 300 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: basically have um cream. They have they've Solder, Martin, o'mam 301 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: A Lattimer and Michael Thomas canceling out Fluker, Richberg, Pew 302 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Conard and Cockrell. So they have it five for five. 303 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: And that's how they have those five canceling each other. 304 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: Just alright. Anyway, so I stand corrected. Maybe they won't 305 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: not get a compensatory and so what now that means 306 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: there's nothing to deal from. Yeah, but they but they 307 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: can maybe deal with defense blindmen if they wanted to. 308 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: They could deal from a position of strength may but 309 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: they could injuries all over the sleep, will you know? 310 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: By the way you want, we want to remind fans 311 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: that Big Blue Kick Golf Live is presented by cores Light. 312 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Download the cores Light rewards app to an amazing Giants 313 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: prizes throughout the season two, one, four, five, one three. 314 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones. Of course for me to 315 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: go to the phone, and I probably have to open 316 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: up the Google doc that has that's a good idea. 317 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Too busy arguing with Paul over compensatory picks, I don't 318 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: have the caller. By the way, the Giants Jets game 319 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: on Friday at Metlive Stadium for those of you who 320 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: may not realize it yet, it is a Jets home game. 321 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: C yes if you watch on TV, and yes locally 322 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: in New York at w CBS channel two. Uh So, 323 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: we will have Bab Papa and Carl Banks doing the 324 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: radio Corps regular season crew will be on the game 325 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to being on the TV call. You'll have 326 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: to deal with the Jets announcers on the telecast. But 327 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: yet on an Eagle who's tremendous. There's nothing wrong with 328 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: that is great, and you don't they have Anthony Becked 329 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: is there. You know, it's a little bit of a 330 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: different flavor last week and on the sidelines from CBS, 331 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: let's go to Joe and Pennsylvania. You'll lead us off. Hey, Joe, Hey, yeah, 332 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: great to talk to you guys. It was a pleasure 333 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: to watch that game. I think call last year every time. 334 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: You know, we tried to hand the ball off. There 335 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: are are running backs were met or in the backfield. 336 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: At least they had a chance to, you know, break 337 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: it out to the outside. And same with the receivers. 338 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: When did they have chance to throw the ball twenty 339 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: thirty yards down the field that the receivers could put 340 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: some moves on. It was a pleasure. I can't remember 341 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: the last time. Well then, Joe. The funny thing is 342 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: that the first two runs they had, though Jared Davis 343 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: was in the backfield for two pretty big losses. People 344 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: keep saying Jonathan Stewart's not looking good. I didn't have 345 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a chance on those two runs. Jared Davis was in 346 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: the backfield as soon as he got the ball. So 347 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: once they got past those first two plays, I thought 348 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: they did okay in the running game, not great, but 349 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: they did okay. Well, it was just starting off it. 350 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm just saying, of it was good, I'll 351 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: take that every game, you know what I mean, But 352 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: that he's one guy I want to talk about. You 353 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: think there's any way he don't make this rock just 354 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a lot of tweets about that, Joe. 355 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: I would be very, very surprised if he wasn't on 356 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: the final fifty. I'm of saying the young kids my favorite, 357 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: Martin and the other guy that got the concussion, our 358 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: show and Motts as receivers and you know what I mean. 359 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: But you know what, Dave Getlan made a big deal 360 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: about the importance of Jonathan Stewart as a veteran presence 361 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: for the running back room and having a veteran in there. 362 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: If you let him go, Wayne Goldman's your most experienced 363 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: running back. I'm not sure you want that, but if 364 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: that's what you want, but you know what I mean, 365 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: you wanna. I'm just saying, you think he could have 366 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: broken out outside for him touchdowns like Martin did. I 367 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: think the other guy did it too. You know, you 368 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: think Stewart could could do that. I mean, I think 369 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Stewards a different type of runner, you know, he's he's up, 370 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, up through the hole. Now he's more of 371 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: a dart was. I'd love to have him back, but 372 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: I understand what whatever. I Okay, I'm gonna move on 373 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: from that. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna say we we 374 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: have are you with the waiver wire? Yes, we have. 375 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that goes. Second pick. There's gonna 376 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: be about people. Let let's go players. Are every one 377 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: of them that go that has to clear waivers? Do 378 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: we have the second choice on him? No? No, Joe, 379 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: the cut off point between street free agent and waivers 380 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: is four vested years in the league. Okay, if you are, 381 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: if you are, if each team is gonna cut about 382 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: forty players, Paul, but not every one of those forty 383 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: players go to waivers. Correct, That's what I'm trying to 384 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: tell you. Okay, But every team that goes to every 385 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: every player that goes the waivers giants can be second pick. 386 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: Do we have the second pick on them first? Yes? Okay, well, 387 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: well how many how many players you think it would be? 388 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: At least there's no way to tell, Joe, There's no 389 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: way to tell because to be objected to the waivers system, 390 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: you have to have less than four full vested years 391 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Then you get subjected to waivers. 392 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: If you're a veteran who's in his fifth season or above, 393 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: you get cut. You're a street free agent. You can 394 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: sign with anybody. And I have no way of knowing 395 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: how many young players are gonna get cut or how 396 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: many old guys are gonna cut. Okay, but I'm just saying, Paul, 397 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: you would think I'm just saying on the whole, I'm 398 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: saying there's I'm just I know there's thirty two teams. 399 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm just saying thirty teams, and each of them is 400 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: leaving cutting forty. That's twelve hundre. I'm just even if 401 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: there's half we get that's a lot of players to 402 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: to look at seriously and truly that you would think, well, 403 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: I remember, though, the Browns have the first pick on 404 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: the waivers under the waiver system and the practice squad 405 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: to the same way, Paul. What happens is if a 406 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: player clears through waivers, okay, then he's free to sign 407 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: with whoever he wants on correct squad. Correct, you have 408 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: the players got to clear through waivers first for twenty 409 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: four hours then he becomes an automatic street free agent, 410 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: just like the Veterans and Joe. There's a situations now 411 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: where a team might go after a player on the 412 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: practice squad, but the player might not think there's a 413 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: realistic path for him with that organization to get to 414 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: the active roster at some point and he might decline 415 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: that invitation and go with another team. So at that 416 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: point with the practice squad, it's really up to the 417 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: players on where they want to I understand, but I'm 418 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: just saying we with with the different coaches, we have 419 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: to come in from all over all over like what's 420 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: his name from the car and knows way out there, 421 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: and that that we have pretty good uh that they've 422 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: been around on a lot of these players and teams, 423 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: Like is what I'm saying there. I think, you know, 424 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: we we should should be able to get some decent 425 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: players there. Now a couple of things that worried me 426 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: with that game. They're really and truly ogiltree the last 427 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: couple of games. You know, I don't know if they're 428 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to take him out in second or third 429 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: down there, especially you know, running backs, and they were 430 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: the big plays the last the first two games running 431 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: backs and tight ends beating him. No relaxed Joe. You 432 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: know why, here, here, here's your problem. If you take 433 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: out Ogletree, who are you gonna put in? That's correct? Well, 434 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: do you think he'll be in there for all three 435 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to be your three down linebacker because 436 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: he's the heartbeat of that defense. And if you take 437 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: him out, who is going to be the guy in 438 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: the middle. And look at it the first two games, 439 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know how many I get it? Get it? They? 440 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It was? You know it was. 441 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: They were the big plays that we Regle Tree Ala 442 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: Ogle Tree is a quality NFL backer. But he's not 443 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl backer. He's never been an All Pro, 444 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: never been to the Pro Bowl. He's not Luke Keickley. Okay, 445 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't have blanket coverage skills like keick Lee. Isn't 446 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: a big change of direction guy. You want him running 447 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: in a straight line, He's well, he's actually good sidelines, 448 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: sideline against the run, running in a straight line, he's 449 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: running an angle. He's not. Now, he has Sumbland semblance 450 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: of coverage skills. But but okay, there were gonna be 451 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: times he's gonna get matched up in a bad way 452 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a problem. That's just that's 453 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: just life in the NFL. I understand that. What's this? 454 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: What's his like forty times? Do you have any idea, Paul, 455 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: he's pretty back. Let me see, I can look up 456 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: his forty time when he came out of school. I 457 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: mean a little a lot of other linebackers his speeds 458 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: up there, you know, I know his main thing is 459 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: stopping the run and rushing the thing there, But I'm 460 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: just wondering on that there, what his speed is? You know, 461 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: Let's see uh combine run right here. I will say this, 462 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: he is the most athletic linebacker the Giants have had 463 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: in the middle since Antonio Pears. And he's but he's 464 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: a better athlete than he was. Pure athlete, yes, and 465 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm not athletic athlete. Yes. Now, Beason, before he got 466 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: to the Giants and was already battered and beating up, 467 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: would have been that kind of guy too. But by 468 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: the time he got to the Giants, he was already 469 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: on borrow time, which is before months. Does months and 470 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: have better speed than him? Or no? No, no, he 471 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: does not. He does not know Okay, only one other 472 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: thing if you want to look that up. That concerned 473 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: me and I've seen our coach was very upset on 474 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: that that one hit on Hers looked there that they 475 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: were calling a lot of you know what I mean 476 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: with the face man or leading with the helmets. You know, um, 477 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get that straightened out, of course, 478 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: because they every play. It seems these reps could really 479 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: decide the games on on these helmet the helmet plays there. 480 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe though, thank you God blessed. I'm glad 481 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: to see the Giants. It was a pleasure to see them. 482 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: I said this year, uh last weekend, you know that 483 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: the receivers, running backs had some time and that the 484 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: quarterbacks all looked good with a difference it made for 485 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Thank you appreciate it. Again, we want 486 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: to remind you that big look at called Live is 487 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: presented by cores Light. Download the Core's Light rewards after 488 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: an amazing Giants prizes throughout the year. To clarify the 489 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: hers Lake hit where he was flagged for a helmet 490 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: in fraction lowering the bay the top of his helmet 491 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: the way I saw it, and it was right in 492 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: front of me the way I saw it, and then 493 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: looking at the replay, I thought it was pretty clear. 494 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: And I know coach Shermer wanted the league to clarify 495 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: for him. We we will never hear what that clarification is. 496 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: That's not the way league policy works. But hers La 497 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: was the one who had the bloody chin because he 498 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: wound up taking the brunt of that hit. Yeah, I 499 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: didn't agree with that call either. Frankly, to me, that's 500 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: a no call. Both guys are coming at each other. 501 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 1: I think the running back didn't come towards hers Lake 502 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: and lower's how many kind of held his ground and 503 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: lower this helmet. So I'm not sure I would have 504 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: called the penalty on him, because I don't like the 505 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: idea of these penalties by the line of scrimmage. Okay, 506 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the in the second yarn starts things 507 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: like that. That's cool unless there's something egregious that we 508 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: saw play. Um, there was the pulling tight end against 509 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: the Giants in Week one against Cleveland. Yes, that was 510 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: egregious because the guy took a few steps forward and 511 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, did the running charge Headbundy. That one I get, 512 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: but it was definitely not a penalty on hers like. 513 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: If anything, it was a penalty on the running back 514 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: that tried to pick. I agree with you again, that's 515 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: my interpretation the league. The league is gonna have to 516 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: sort this stuff out, and we're all gonna watch him 517 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: do it too. To a one, not just that doesn't 518 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: cost anybody a game. Yeah, absolutely, And I know people 519 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: making a big deal. I thought the running game was 520 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: fine in the game, Paul a couple of big runs late. 521 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: I thought there was too much penetration with the first 522 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: team offensive line out there. Well, in my opinion, you 523 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: take away those two first collapses when Stewart got nailed 524 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: in the backfield, and they had a hundred yards rushing 525 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: because they finished with nineties six names point nine yards 526 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: per carry, I think, well, I think it's like three seven. 527 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: But but again, take away those first two, they would 528 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: have had a hundred in yards um, which is you know, 529 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: you want higher than that. But as Sherman's said to 530 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: me at halftime, you know, I got to get the 531 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: running game going. Not real satisfied with it. But in 532 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: the second half, again, these backups who are trying to 533 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: win jobs, they seemed to get it going. By the way, 534 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: I should point out, still no se Kwan Barkley at 535 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: practice today. He did work on the side and was 536 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: kind of jumping around and doing a lot of stuff. 537 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: May I ask you, do you think he would add 538 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: to their rushing a little bit? Um? Still, I would 539 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: be surprised if he played Friday against the Jets. The 540 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: fact that he wasn't practicing today. Maybe you'll get him 541 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: a couple of snaps in the last preseason game, but 542 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: why even bother To be quite honest, it's unlikely. I 543 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't worry about that. Um No Darien Thompson O'Connor borrowing. 544 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: Still Don di dion was back out of practice. He 545 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: actually made a nice play um staying with Roger Lewis 546 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: on the sideline. Lewis, I figut what receiver might have been, 547 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember. It was left sideline. Remember he made 548 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: a nice play on that. So he was back on 549 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: the field and one of the players back on the 550 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: field to who's the other injured guy that came back today? 551 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Trying to remember on the field today it wasn't the 552 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: one the guy that came back that was hurt on 553 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: my wrong about that, because we still they still had 554 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: munchs on the sideline. They still had Simmons on the sideline, 555 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: and they still had Barkley on the sideline. And so 556 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else. Stewart didn't really work today. 557 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: Pressley got a lot of his reps a little bit. 558 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: Pressley got you all shook up on the sideline, Drey 559 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, save me, what's up? Drey. I'll do the 560 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: best I can. You gotta let Pet have that one. 561 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: It is, it is what it is. Indeed, well, I 562 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: was pretty happy with what I saw, even with the 563 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: run game. They seemed like, uh, that first couple of 564 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: running plays with with Stewart, feel like as soon as 565 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: uh Hernandez Pool, Uh, that linebacker was shooting the gap, 566 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: it's like a pretty much scheme for that. So that's something, 567 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Um Dallas, that's a lot with with Lee. So we 568 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: might wanna disguised that a little bit. But then again, 569 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: I still see we are, you know, Vanila offense. We 570 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: haven't really done anything to manipulate the defense. So but 571 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: I see Flowers had a little snap food that could 572 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: have been ugly. Um he got beat on a speed rush. 573 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: I don't think that's problematic considered the fact that you know, hey, 574 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: I think once he starts scheming with the tight end 575 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: over there, you know that he's having issues. I understand 576 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: if there are some fans out there that want to 577 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: be a little concerned about the right side of the 578 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: offensive line, I understand they're concerned. I'll put it that way. 579 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, honestly, here's here's here's what I 580 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: want to tell you. I've had so many people, friends, 581 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: family asked me specifically about the old line, and what 582 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: I tell them is this, First of all, you have 583 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: to grade them as a unit. It's very, very difficult 584 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: with an offensive line, which is so reliant upon the 585 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: entire picture, to just single out one guy and say, well, 586 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: he had a really bad play on that one bad 587 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Like No, it's the line as a whole that you 588 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: have to consider, all right, So what you have to 589 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: say to yourself is, Okay, was the line adequate enough 590 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: that they could function and call all the different chapters 591 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: in their playbook and move the ball down field, move 592 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: the chains, get the offense at the scoring position, change 593 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: field position on the opposition. If they can do all 594 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: of those things, then the truth of the matter is 595 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: they are quote good enough satisfactory, serviceable, pick the adjective 596 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: you want to use. Those are the requirements now once 597 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: you get to that, which Conflint had with Jacksonville last year, 598 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: and then they started getting better and better, and now 599 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: he's like, I want dominant, so he goes out and 600 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: pays the big money to get Northwell, okay, but from 601 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: the giants perspective, you just want to get to adequate, serviceable, 602 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: good enough. They haven't been there for the last few years. 603 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: It looks like they're gonna be at that level. Anything 604 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: beyond that's gravy. I agree how they relate, you know, 605 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: without in reference to that. I'm not throwing darts at Flowers, 606 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: but I see but I think that guard position o 607 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: mam ay uh. They had a good passort on that, 608 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: on that stunt where Flowers drove them out. But I 609 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: think I don't. I wouldn't put everything on Flowers. But 610 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: I look at O mamy um, I think, oh momy 611 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: he's tightened up. Also, I would be better communication. I 612 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: think that's where some of the holes come in. But 613 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: it's for the most part. I have actually no issues, 614 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just happy to see that they're opening 615 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: holes because even after Uh, even after Stewart went out, 616 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: they seem like they got it together and started opening 617 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: holes and started running different um blocking schemes. So I 618 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: like my receivers. I'm glad that we haven't really seen 619 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: certain you know, we've seen the basic route, so we 620 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: can actually discuss something against Jaxonville to be creative. I'm 621 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: liking my defense. I'm I can it's preseason. But one 622 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: thing I want to take the into accounts that Detroit 623 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: kept their ones in the game. So we may not 624 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: have our tools out there, but they were playing against 625 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: Detroit's one. So I was kind of happy with the 626 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: success that our corners had against um Marvin Jones and 627 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: some of the other receivers. So but outside of that, 628 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: who do you what defensive players do you see on 629 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: ourline that's expendable for a trade for a possible a 630 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: player at need. And I'll take that question and answer 631 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: off the aarank you. I mean, I want to call 632 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: anybody expendable. I don't think that's the right word, but 633 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you are you aren't moving Snacks, you 634 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: aren't moving Tomins, and you aren't moving b J. Hill. 635 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 1: Those guys aren't going anywhere Okay, so then you get 636 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: into the Robert Thomas is the world. Josh Marl is 637 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna be tough to move, given he suspended the first 638 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: four games. Um francis, if that's the guy that he 639 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: did want to move, those are the types of guys 640 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: I think you're looking at your cattle Kara as alignment. No, 641 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: I have him as the edge group. Okay, he's in 642 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: the edge rusher category, but he's a guy that you 643 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: could look to as well. He's probably he's five or 644 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: six on the edge rusher list, depending on how many 645 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: of those guys you want to keep, you know, I 646 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: mean the problem is you can only keep so many. 647 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: And if there's a way that you can get something 648 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: for somebody, yeah, you want to explore it. Hunter Sharp 649 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: killed me in that game, by the way, I was 650 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: pumping it up in that pregame show. And then he 651 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: goes and he drops a punt and he fumbles a 652 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: kickoff another drop in practice today too. I know I'm 653 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: not happy. I think Cody Lattimer is if not cemented, 654 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: he's on his way towards cementing that third wide receiver spot. 655 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: I would concur to five one three. Scott new Mexico 656 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: is up next. I Scott, good afternoon, guys. How are 657 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: you doing? Um? First, I read the Cover three article 658 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: this morning about the potential of few players that you 659 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: John had written about, also Lance and Dan. Yeah, and 660 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: I whole heartily agree uh uh with Riley, Cody Latimer, 661 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: b W. Webb and very Armstrong. I think I'm curious 662 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: to see how those players developed, because I think alone 663 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: may the team, and so far as the preseason game 664 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: against Detroit, I think the players the Giants played an 665 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: exceptional game overall, where both the offense and defensive personnel 666 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: stood out. And I was actually impressed more by the 667 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: second and third string units on defense, and I think 668 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: that really bodes well for the Giant says the regular 669 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: season approaches. What did you like about the second and 670 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: third string unit? Scott? Uh, well, sort of when they 671 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: had Robert Martin come in and they had Kyla, Kyla, 672 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: let it be offensive right now, the second string and 673 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm sorry, no, no, no, I thought you 674 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 1: met the defense? Yes? Uh? Who was it? Ray? Ray 675 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: Armstrong played a very good game. Uh Uh, Terry Win 676 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: played a very good game. You already mentioned that. Uh, 677 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: who's the other guy that had a sack, right, So 678 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: I thought those players really stepped up and and that's 679 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: what was impressive to me. Also, Uh, Grant Haley played 680 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: a decent game. I don't think he played a great game, 681 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: but he played a very decent game of catches, right. 682 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: But but they were small catches. I mean, you know, 683 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: he didn't allow for any big I mean he was 684 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: on top of the guys, uh, pretty much the whole game, 685 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: even though he allowed those catches. But he was right there. 686 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: So I was impressed with him as well. So I 687 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: just think they showed uh, you know, potential, let's put 688 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: it that way. And so that was impressive to me. 689 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Awesome And I also go ahead, I'm sorry, no, I 690 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: was just saying, okay. I. I also wanted to give 691 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: kudos to Davis Webb in a good bounce back performance, 692 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: and also especially Wayne Goldman, who continued to shine. I 693 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: think he's actually a legitimate starting back, although everyone recognizes 694 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: as ocon as a guy, but it's nice to know, 695 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: should anything happen, Uh, Wayne, based on at least his 696 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: early preseason games, can potentially perform at a very high level. 697 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: So that was encouraging as well. I agree with Scott 698 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: I think Wayne Goldman looks much more comfortable this year. 699 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: Everything he's becoming more natural to him. He had a 700 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: couple really nice let's pick up pickups in the game. Um, 701 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: he drops him passes last year he didn't. He's been 702 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: sure with his hands and his off season in the 703 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: preseason so far, and he's just running with a lot 704 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,959 Speaker 1: more confidence. I agree, I would feel really good, um 705 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: about using him if you know knock on Woods on 706 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: the ever happened to say Kuon Barkley that he could 707 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: go in there and do a serviceable job. Yeah, I 708 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: did have some concerns. A lot of the first callers 709 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: sort of addressed it, but but I'll address him in 710 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: a slightly different way. And I was concerned with the 711 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: play of Alec Ogletree. And I was concerned with with 712 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: his play in the first preseason game when he was 713 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: beaten by a Choco and then beaten by Theo Riddick 714 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: again in this Detroit game. And I'm not necessarily concerned 715 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: that he was beaten by both players. But what I 716 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: was concerned what's his pursuit or recovery speed once he 717 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: was beating And he looked to be honest with you, 718 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: frankly slow and ponderous chasing both of these players down. 719 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: So my question is, so on other teams look at 720 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: these tapes and recognize this as a potential week spot 721 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: in the Giant d sense or or do you have 722 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: a different take on this or will bet her do 723 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: you think make an adjustment? You know, in regards to 724 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: the play of Ogletree when he's a cover linebacker taking 725 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: him back or tighten on you know from the opposing team, 726 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna happen on occasion, and they'll get 727 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: burned on occasion. That's just the way it's going to be. 728 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: But you can minimize those situations, either with disguised pre 729 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: snap movement to where you get the quarterback thinking something 730 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: else and all of a sudden he opts out of 731 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: that play because he's afraid you're gonna do something else 732 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: to him, or and this is this is the other 733 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: part that that everybody's forgetting, or he winds up sending 734 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: the dogs. And even though it's a short dump off 735 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: pass to the running back against Ogletree, there was always 736 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: the chance that the Giants pressure can get to the 737 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: passing lane, deflect the pass, or get to the quarterback 738 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: it can happen. I will say this thing. In a defense, 739 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: Scott that is designed to play a lot of man 740 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: to man and when they blitz, the gonna be a 741 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: lot of man demand situations. That doesn't necessarily mean the 742 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: other team has to go after your cornerbacks, all right. 743 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: You might have a safety, man the tight end, the linebacker, 744 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: and man demand against the linebacker or against the tight 745 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: end or running back. So that is something other teams 746 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: could look to do once they get moved in this season, 747 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: I no no doubt about it. But also I would 748 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: also think that Old Tree is gonna be one of 749 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: the guys they send on blitzes a lot because he's 750 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: shown to be a pretty good blitzer doing practice. So 751 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: I think those are all sorts of things you can 752 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Remember, bet Youer wants a mismatch 753 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: somehow along that front. And if he can get a 754 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: guy coming free at the quarterback, UH quarterback who is 755 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: not as accomplished as Drew Brees is gonna get nervous, 756 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: he's gonna get happy feet, he's gonna make the wrong read, 757 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna rush his pass and miss the back. I mean, Unfortunately, 758 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: the Giants played a lot of good quarterbacks. My second 759 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: point has to do with what seems to be a 760 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: monumental rash of injuries that are plague in this preseason. 761 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: And it's a two prome question. I don't know if 762 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: either of you know whether the NFL has ever done 763 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: any kind of statistical analysis comparing the number of injuries 764 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: and preseason games versus the actual regular season across recognizing 765 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: it's a four game versus a sixteen game. And and 766 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: the reason I mentioned this and John you sort of 767 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: alluded to it in that article that I read with 768 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: the health of Sequon Barkley. Hamstring injuries can linger for 769 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: quite some time, So wouldn't it be proude to have 770 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: him skip the balance of the preseason in favor of 771 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: letting him heal properly, even if it means missing the 772 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: first game of the season. I mean, Pat Charmer, if 773 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: you look at it, I'm sorry, Scot to quote Pat Charmer. 774 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: They're going to be very smart and how they bring 775 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 1: stake Kwon Barkley back. And I think you can read 776 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: it that whatever you want to read it. Okay, Yeah, 777 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: if you look at the stars that are out for 778 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: the season, will miss the beginning of the season, it's 779 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: a bit outrageous. I mean, there's at least twenty to 780 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: thirty players starters actually, that are pretty much going to 781 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: miss a lot of game time. So that's why I 782 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: was asking the question. Okay, appreciate it. I don't think 783 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: it's been an unnatural rass of injuries this preseason, has 784 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: it been? I don't think it has either. But without 785 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: the stats, it would be unfair to put an adjective 786 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: on it. What stars have gone down though, none that 787 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: come to mind for me right away. I've been paying 788 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: attention to. I mean, they were afraid that Zack Martin 789 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: might have popped his knee, but that looks like it's 790 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: gonna be okay, I guys, did that's true? Folds got 791 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: hurt the other day? Yeah, but whatever? Um who else? 792 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: Of of huge headline grabbing ilk None jumps out of me, 793 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Paul, I mean, Sony Michelle 794 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: had knee surgery, but that was before preseason even started. 795 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: It is. I don't think it's that long of a list. 796 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: Unless I'm missing guys, I don't know. I don't even 797 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: want to discuss it because I don't have I'd like 798 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: to have it in front of me to really talk 799 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: about it. I don't have it, so I don't really 800 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: want to go there. We want to remind you that 801 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live is presented by Cores Light Download 802 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: the Core's Light rewards apt to what it me seen 803 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: Giants prizes throughout the season. Bob and Chicago is up 804 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: next day, Bob, how are you hey? John? Hey? Paul 805 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: Isaiah Isaiah Win was the other guy that was a 806 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: good one. He bought his Achilles or a c l achilles, right, 807 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Well, regardless exactly A Patriots were very 808 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: disappointed in that because they liked him a lot. He 809 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: was a good player. Yeah. Um, what I got is 810 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: for David's Webb and Um, John, you were there in Detroit, 811 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: so maybe you can answer this a little better. Because 812 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: they were able to practice with Detroit all week. Do 813 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: you think that could have helped Webb maybe shine a 814 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: little better? Yeah? You know what, that's interesting, Bobby's I 815 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: talked to Pat Sherman with the radio interview for the 816 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: pregame show, and I asked him the fact that these 817 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: two teams are more familiar with each other from their 818 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: weekend practice, whether or not that's going to impact the game, 819 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: and he said he didn't. He thinks so. But Mike 820 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: Davis Web found a little bit easier to read the 821 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: lines and what they're doing on defense because he saw 822 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: them during the week. Yeah, I don't think that's impossible. Maybe, Um, 823 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: but I don't know whether that's true or not. I 824 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: think it's a good question to ask, but I don't 825 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: think there's any way for us to know for sure. 826 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: And who knows? Maybe? Uh kay, right, tackle for us? 827 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: I really like that that well, quote quote unquote block. 828 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: He really got in the way exactly. He tried the 829 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: final go ahead, go ahead, Bob. I'm sorry one because 830 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm in Chicago. Um. You guys always talk about MSG, 831 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: but I can't ever seem to find it on the website. 832 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 1: So is there any way of me getting any access 833 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: to that? Yeah? They usually do they put the full 834 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: show up on the internet. Do we know? Or do 835 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: they just put the segments up? They just put the 836 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: segments up, right, Yeah, I don't think they put the 837 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: full show up online. Maybe MSG networks dot com maybe 838 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: might have something on there. Perhaps they we don't. We 839 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: don't propose show up on giants dot com ever. Okay, yeah, 840 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: you just got to deal with the segments. I'm sorry. Well, 841 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: here's here's the problem. We we actually got a call 842 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: from the people over at the Worldwide Web. They said 843 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: only so much of Datino could be put on the 844 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: Internet at one time, so they have to limit the 845 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: number of segments they put up, otherwise the whole system 846 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 1: will just go down and crash. I'm sorry, though, Yeah, 847 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, I understand your point. We'll pass it 848 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: along and just mention it to somebody. Thank you, Bob, 849 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Man. Yeah, I think that's an interesting 850 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: question because I was wondering how much that does change 851 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: in the game situation that you've seen these guys during 852 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: the week, and look, neither team is gonna run anything 853 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: in the game they didn't run in practice, or everything 854 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: the guys see on game they would they would have 855 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: seen during the week. I thought, I think it's a 856 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: really good question at AB But I don't know. But 857 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: I think this will be a better week because both 858 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: teams are going to be game planning a little bit more. 859 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: And don't say that in front of past Armer, by 860 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: the way, he does not like that. He doesn't like 861 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: the idea of teams not game planning. He doesn't like 862 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: unlike the idea of this being a dress rehearsal either, 863 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: So do not use those terms in front of Mr 864 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: Shermer or you will be scolded by the way. So 865 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: f y I d folks out there if you're running 866 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: the pat chremer anywhere. But um, I thought, I think 867 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: that's an interesting dynamic. But um, I think this week 868 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: will be a good test for for the starters against 869 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: the opponent that you know, Giants Jets, you get a 870 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: little bit more juice. These guys don't want to go 871 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: around town after getting their butt with by the team 872 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: across town. So I think you'll get a little bit 873 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: of better feel for the starters. And I think you'll 874 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: probably see the starters, most of them, for about a 875 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: half in this game, and then you'll see the guys 876 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: go the rest of the way. Certainly the offensive line. 877 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't know about too many of the other starters, 878 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: but I do think the offensive line is going to 879 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: be in there for the full half. The only guys 880 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: that I wonder about playing a full half, you know, 881 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: maybe Eli Shepherd. They'll probably get I mean, I'm assuming 882 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: Odell's knock to play. I don't know that for sure, 883 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: Ingom they'll get out of their defensively ov landing Colwinns, 884 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: They'll want to get as many looks at the other 885 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: safeties as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if Genorris Jenkins 886 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: gets taken out relatively early in the game. They got 887 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: a lot of questions and still have to be answer today. 888 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So these positions like defensive back, 889 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of questions, you want to see 890 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: these other guys as much as you can, right, I mean, 891 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: there's no value in seeing Genori's Jenkins are landing Colins 892 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: at this point except for building, except for building their stamina, 893 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: and that is legit. You do want to try to 894 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: build these guys up a little bit cool day to 895 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: day to practice ridiculously cool. I liked it. Yeah, I 896 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: know you did go to the coals. I'm a Northern 897 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: European man. I'm not hanging out in Sicily with your relatives, man, 898 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: where it's always a million degrees. Man, it was like 899 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: air conditioning outside on the problems. It's like seventy five 900 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: little breese, little breem. It was under sky. You're telling 901 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: me it didn't hit seventy today. It might have touched it, 902 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: but my goodness, much too cold. Such a baby. Let's 903 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: go to David Cranford, he's up next. How are you 904 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: guys to talk to the two of you? UM, just 905 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of quick things. UM, can 906 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: you give me an idea? I've done my roster projections 907 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: like you guys have, UM, and I'll tell you the 908 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: two guys that are really struggling with. I'm a little 909 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: bit overweighted on defense, a little bit more heavily on defense, 910 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: and I am on offense by two or three players, 911 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: and it's o'klara and Moss. But I'm tumbling that I'm 912 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: struggling with in terms of it's looking to me that 913 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: at best it's coming down to a choice between the 914 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: two of them. I can't find a way to keep 915 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: both of them. And and i'd love to get your thoughts. 916 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: And the other guy on offense that I think is 917 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 1: flying under the radar that I think is a really 918 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: good shot is John Greco. I like how he's played 919 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: both at center and at guard, and I think he's 920 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: got a real good shot. I was wonder if you 921 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: could comment on both those I think, Dave, those are 922 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: some nice dub bubble players you just mentioned right there. Uh, 923 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: Paul and I would kind of screwing around on Sunday 924 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 1: when we're here for practice, and we both kinda put 925 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: together our locks for the roster, and we had depending 926 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: on which one of us you talked to, you either 927 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: had thirty five to thirty eight players that were locks, 928 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: and the big generous we probably could have gotten up 929 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: to maybe forty two or forty three. But you're still 930 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: looking at, you know, a dozen at least, you know, 931 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: open roster spots. And depending on how many defensive linemen 932 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: you keep, guys like you know, Francis or Robert Thomas, 933 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: maybe those guys are bubble guys. At the edge rusher position, 934 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're keeping Barrowin, Martin Vernon and Lorenzo Carter, 935 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: so then you're fifth and six guys are like you 936 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: mentioned Mosson o'kwara, and I'm with you, I'm not sure 937 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: you can keep both those guys. So there are some 938 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: interesting spots in the offensive line patch. Schrumer actually talked 939 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: about a lot at the press conference day, which I 940 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: thought was interesting. Paul, and he kind of intimated, well, 941 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, what maybe we are going to keep eight 942 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: and maybe we are gonna have three backups active on 943 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: game day, not seven. And if that's the case, is 944 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: that John Jerry is the third guy, John Greco is 945 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: the third guy, or maybe both of them, and they 946 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: think Jerry can play tackle. I don't know. I think 947 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: there's those are some great names, Dave, and I think 948 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: those are some guys that they're gonna have to make 949 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: some tough decisions. These are two very important preseason games. 950 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: Don't kid yourself to think that they're not, because they're critical. 951 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Paul, and and I guess the 952 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: other thing is I still am going on records is 953 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: saying that the biggest change we're gonna see in this team, 954 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: and that we're already seeing, is simply in coaching. Um, 955 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: I think you see it. I think I think when 956 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: you watch Betcher on the sideline, and it's again, people 957 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: are gonna talk about his energy, people are gonna talk 958 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: about a scheme, and I'm going to talk and I'll 959 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: tell you it's not those two things are great. It's 960 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: his relationship to the players and and if you talk, 961 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: I've had a fortune of knowing a couple of players 962 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: myself and and what they'll talk about is that everybody 963 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: wants to win. Everybody says they want to You know, 964 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: everybody on both teams are paid, right, so the difference 965 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: gets to be very small as to why I'm playing 966 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 1: and why I'm playing hard, and playing for that coach 967 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: and and having that relationship is critical. And I think 968 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: the piece about it is if they are getting more 969 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,840 Speaker 1: snaps and more reps as they call them, for the 970 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: whole roster, and I think what they're doing is came 971 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: from Gettleman from the very beginning. Is not only the 972 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: roster on the fifty three, but I think they're getting 973 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: reps for the for the ten practice squad. And I 974 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: actually think that when it comes to the secondary and 975 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: some other players, there might be some guys on the 976 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: street that don't get picked up on another practice squad 977 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: that know the Giants plays, and if there's a rash 978 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,399 Speaker 1: of injuries in a given position, secondary, they're gonna pull 979 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: They're gonna pull those guys off. And I think these 980 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: extra reps are gonna come in really handy. So I'll 981 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 1: leave you guys with that. You're the best in the business. 982 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: I love listening to you, and thanks for taking my 983 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: call very kind. Two points to make. Number one, Shermer 984 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: indicated to us a couple of weeks ago as a 985 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: pressor that he was very emphatic about wanting to get 986 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: a look at as many of these guys all ninety 987 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: if he could under game situations, because he wants to 988 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: get a true and fair evaluation of every player he's 989 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: got in camp. What did he call him, Well, he 990 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: I think he joked that at the Browns they called 991 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 1: him a player hoarder, that he kept trying to hoard 992 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: as many players as possible to get looks as many 993 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: guys as possible, or something like that. He wants to 994 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: see these guys in a game, and there's nothing wrong 995 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: with that. Okay, that's number one. Number two, I think 996 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: you're being unfair when you talk about how all the 997 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: players on defense want to play for coach Betcher. I 998 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: am a big Steve Spagnolo fan. I know for a 999 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: fact players had great respect for him. Players want to 1000 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: play for him, They enjoyed playing for him. There was 1001 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: a very good give and take and trust relationship between 1002 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: him and his players. And remember he had two stints 1003 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: here with the Giants, and while it was a very 1004 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: up and down graph. Uh. The high eyes were great, 1005 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: the lows weren't so great. I get that, but I'm 1006 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna let you just sit here and 1007 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: tell me that they love playing for Betcher and that's 1008 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: a big difference in this defense. I'm not gonna let 1009 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: you do that because I respect Spags way too much. 1010 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: I remember it's early two, Paul. I think the player 1011 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: coach relationship oftentimes gets built and solidified through adversity, and 1012 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 1: you don't really know how these things are gonna work 1013 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 1: until they face adversity together. My apprentsion of my impression 1014 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: of coach Shermer from what I've seen so far is 1015 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: that he's not going to change much to you adversity. 1016 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: He's a very steady guy, and I think this is 1017 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: who he is, and this is who he's gonna be 1018 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: win or loss. And by the way, fans are gonna 1019 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: warn you ahead of time, because I promise you, we're 1020 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: gonna get these calls if the Giants start, you know, 1021 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: two and four something like that, We're gonna get calls. 1022 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,839 Speaker 1: Where Why is it he mat at the press conment? 1023 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: Looks like he doesn't care what's going on. That's just 1024 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,400 Speaker 1: what he is. So I'm mentally preparing you for this now. 1025 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a guy that goes to the 1026 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,399 Speaker 1: podium and starts killing players, pounding his fist and yelling 1027 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: and screaming. I don't think that's him. It's not, so 1028 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: don't expect that, okay. And in my frustrate hips and 1029 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: old New York fans like to see guys go nuts. 1030 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: And Jeff Van Joys complained about Todd Bowles because he 1031 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,800 Speaker 1: doesn't yelling scream Who cares? It doesn't matter. Is he 1032 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: a good coach? That's it matters. And when necessary here 1033 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: you will raise his temper around the facility and to 1034 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,319 Speaker 1: the players. Correct And we've seen him get a little 1035 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: salty during practice when things don't go the right. What's 1036 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: a something, get a little bit fired up during the 1037 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: course of the game on the sideline. He is not 1038 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: shy about getting annoyed with the officials. I mean, does 1039 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: that appear to be a problem. I'm not gonna name names, 1040 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,839 Speaker 1: but if you go back to the Detroit tape, there 1041 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 1: was a play when the right personnel was not getting 1042 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: on the field in a proper time, and that player 1043 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: came off the field because he didn't know what he 1044 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: was doing, and then coach Shermer gave him a earful 1045 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 1: and he ran back out onto the field. You can 1046 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: go back and look at the tape and figure it out. 1047 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: But as that guy, if Pat Shermer can raise his 1048 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: voice Christian in Trenton, New Jersey, he joins us, next, Christian, 1049 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm totally how what are you guys doing? Doing well? Good? 1050 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm every day listener, you know, I just to sound 1051 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: by the way, thank you. Um what was gonna say? 1052 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: I was actually very supplied with I guess the twos 1053 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: and threes and the Detroit games they really shocked me. 1054 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 1: They have played good defense. So he's what I'm gonna 1055 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: say is the last fifteen years, I really haven't had 1056 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: the best death I would say, especially in the lineback 1057 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: and core me simply called Blackburn all from math class 1058 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: to come up and play the linebacker. I wasn't the 1059 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: super Bowl, you know. I want to just add one thing, 1060 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,839 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to take anything away from the group. 1061 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm really not. They were also playing against Jake Rudoc 1062 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 1: and Mattcastle. Okay, you know I understand, I understand that. 1063 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,320 Speaker 1: But from in the week while have you seen that 1064 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,399 Speaker 1: castle for the last couple of years. There's a reason 1065 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys with three and thirty the year Tony Robot 1066 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,919 Speaker 1: got hurt. That castle had a lot to do with it. Yeah, 1067 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: I mean, look look at this right here. Here's what 1068 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,959 Speaker 1: I want you to do. If you if you're worried 1069 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,919 Speaker 1: about the Giants linebackers, concentrate on the fact that they're 1070 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: starting linebackers appear to be I'd say it's fair to 1071 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: say the most talented starting linebacker group they've had here 1072 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,600 Speaker 1: in a lot of years. So why did you concentrate 1073 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: on that? And nobody gets hurt? Hey, I mean one 1074 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: of the deepest, one of the deepest chores that I've 1075 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: seen in the long I would say anyway, So absolutely 1076 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: My second point is will go hum and he I 1077 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,800 Speaker 1: think he might take johnath spot. I think that was 1078 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: just John Smoke that said you said John the Stewart 1079 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: might started, and then say quon in the beginning of 1080 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: the season. I made the point, depending on what the 1081 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: situation was, when the Giants get their first possession, if there, 1082 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: let's say, inside the ten yard line, would it shock 1083 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: me if Jonathan Steward gets the first carry the year. No, 1084 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 1: it wouldn't. That doesn't mean SA Barkley's not going to 1085 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,800 Speaker 1: get the majority to carry start. Yes, but who's the starters, 1086 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: who's on the field for the first offensive play doesn't 1087 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,439 Speaker 1: really matter. Barkley is gonna get the touches. Who cares 1088 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: who's on the field first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter. No, 1089 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Is going to take a big spot up. 1090 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 1: He showed me a lot and he just continues to improve. Guys, 1091 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: I would love to be able to show you the 1092 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: coaches tape of Jonathan Stewart's runs in this game. He 1093 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: didn't have a prayer. There was a linebacker in his 1094 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,720 Speaker 1: lap as soon as he got the handoff. If Wayne 1095 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: Goldman was back there, guess what he would have been 1096 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: tackled for a four or four or five yard loss. 1097 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: So let's not try to throw Jonathan Stewart into the 1098 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: waiste bask And I'm not telling he's gonna be some 1099 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 1: dynamic running backs on one for a billion yards. Okay, 1100 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: but let's not judge the guy on two carries where 1101 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,439 Speaker 1: a linebacker came unblocked into the backfield on both plays 1102 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: and the guy didn't have a chance. Look, I understand 1103 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: this split his whole career with I've been really help 1104 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 1: his his snaps or his play book is going to 1105 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: be vastly different than Goldman's because they have different tools. Yeah, yeah, 1106 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 1: that is true. I mean I went to John stilpon 1107 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: would be a power back, Yes, no questions, no question 1108 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,720 Speaker 1: And look, let me make something clear. When they signed 1109 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 1: him power he's just he's just that downhill learn that 1110 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: I just never seen. Let's make this clear when Jonathan. 1111 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: When Jonathan Stewart was signed here, there is no question 1112 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: that a big part of the reason he was signed 1113 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,840 Speaker 1: here was to be the big brother in the running 1114 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: backs room. Is John explained earlier in the show that 1115 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: that is part of his value. It's not just when 1116 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: he touches the ball on the field. There is an 1117 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: extension to what Jonathan Stewart brings to this team that 1118 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:47,439 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman saw in Carolina and believed to be a value. Really, 1119 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean you can't ignore that, No, no, you can't. 1120 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: I've also heard I don't know from you know, I 1121 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: guess the little Bertie that he's in one of the 1122 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 1: best shape that he's been in his life, in his 1123 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,120 Speaker 1: career so well, let's see that's who that is. We 1124 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: gotta run pal. He is very solid. Jonathan Stewart's a 1125 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: solid dude. Absolutely, I mean he you know they He's 1126 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: just a solid dude. Folks. Don't forget. Big Blue kick 1127 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: Off Live is presented by cores Light. Download the Core's 1128 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 1: Light Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes throughout the 1129 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 1: regular season. Let's go to Chris Alamucci Alamouki, New Jersey, Paul, 1130 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,000 Speaker 1: which one is it? Muccia rookie? I don't know. Alamucci 1131 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: not too far from Hacketstown. What do you got, Chris? Yeah, Hey, Paul, 1132 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,680 Speaker 1: he john You'll make it quick? Two points? Two points 1133 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,239 Speaker 1: in a question. Yes, I kudos to Leonard Johnson. I 1134 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: thought he played very well past defense uh on on 1135 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 1: on Friday. UM, so, good job by him. And also 1136 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 1: it was nice to see on thirty one that the 1137 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: Giants ran a quarterback sneak. That's something we haven't seen 1138 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: in a number of years. So, Chris, I am gonna 1139 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: make a bold prediction, and I probably should have done 1140 00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: it before the game becase I've seen it in practice, 1141 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure they wanted me to. Um. I 1142 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,320 Speaker 1: believe Eli Manning will run his first quarterback sneak in 1143 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: Lord knows how long this year in the regular season. 1144 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,840 Speaker 1: I believe that will happen, and I would have a 1145 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 1: big smile on my face when it does. I've been 1146 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,479 Speaker 1: after it for a decade. And would it be funny 1147 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 1: if he did it against Tom Coughlin's It would be 1148 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 1: absolutely hysterical. Tom, just Tom was against the clock. So 1149 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: my question is, you know Hunter Sharp, Russell, Shephard, Calif Raymond. 1150 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't see them obviously, maybe in the point return game, 1151 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: like I think we saw Cody Latimer run back to 1152 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: kick off. Now this said, I think it's your Rard Craisley, 1153 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: the the player that picked up from on that was 1154 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: the street free agent I used to be with the Vikings. Yeah, 1155 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,120 Speaker 1: and John, do you think that he was also picked 1156 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: up for a possible return game because I know he 1157 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: did return in the preseason game a couple of years ago, 1158 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: a hundred six yard return. Where do you feel like 1159 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: they're going to be scouring that waiver wire once once 1160 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 1: the cuts come in for that punt return game. I mean, 1161 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,440 Speaker 1: we haven't had anybody probably going back to Don the Kickson, 1162 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, for that return. I don't want to take 1163 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: anything away from Pressley, but at this point, you get 1164 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: brought in at this point in camp with injuries, you're 1165 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: you're more of a camp body to take reps at 1166 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: the running backspot than anything else. So I'm not gonna 1167 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,439 Speaker 1: go nuts about that. I don't think he was brought 1168 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 1: in to be a returner. In mind, he's a super duper, 1169 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: super duper duper, super duper long shot to be on 1170 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: this roster when they get past that fourth preseason game. 1171 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: The return game is interesting. Um. I think Goldman could 1172 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,439 Speaker 1: be a guy you see on kickoff returns. We've seen 1173 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: that in practice a little bit, maybe not in the 1174 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: game yet. I think you can see Lattimer do kickoff returns, 1175 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: and I think in terms of punts, I still think 1176 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,400 Speaker 1: Hunter sharps in the mix. I think he's behind Laddimer 1177 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,640 Speaker 1: on the depth chart, But I think Sharp gives you 1178 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,920 Speaker 1: more in other ways in terms of special teams coverage 1179 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: than Cliff Raymond does, and I think that gives him 1180 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of a leg up over Raymond. I 1181 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,640 Speaker 1: think Raymond is probably a little bit more of an 1182 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: elusive player with the ball in his hands, and Sharp 1183 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: is a little bit Even though he's smaller. Um, so 1184 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,120 Speaker 1: punts a good question. I mean, look, you can throw 1185 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: Starring Shepherd and Odell back there in spots if you want. 1186 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 1: But if I if you made me place a bet 1187 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 1: on somebody today who I think the partner's part return 1188 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 1: is gonna be, I would still probably bet Hunter Sharp. Yeah, 1189 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure he's gonna be able to make 1190 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: the team with his trouble his finger, you know, butterfinger issues. 1191 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 1: I will say this, I'm going to give you a 1192 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 1: name that's totally out of left field because he has 1193 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 1: not even fielded a punt and practice yet. And I 1194 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: and I have made up my business to try to 1195 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: find out why quarterback Mike Jones, who just got to 1196 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 1: this team a couple of days before the Lions game. 1197 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 1: Do you know in college and he wanted to Temple. 1198 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: He graduated and went to Temple for his final season 1199 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,400 Speaker 1: of eligibility. When Mike Jones played at North Carolina Central, 1200 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: he had thirty one career part returns and averaged twenty 1201 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,560 Speaker 1: one yards per return. I guess is that I don't 1202 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 1: think they believe he's a good enough cornerback. That is 1203 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 1: my guess as well, because he's a very diminutive fella, 1204 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: and I suspect that they don't think he can play 1205 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 1: defen some snaps. But we're talking about a guy who 1206 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: averaged twenty one yards punt return take him out of 1207 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: the two touchdowns ontempts. If that is incredible, Chris, thanks 1208 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: to the cole Man. We gotta runpal. Thank you. If 1209 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 1: I made you pick a leader in the clubhouse for 1210 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: a punt returner Week one against Jacksonville right now, who 1211 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: would you put there? I think it's a really good question. 1212 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,040 Speaker 1: It's a tough one. I'd probably put Latimer back there 1213 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: for punts? Huh? Has he dumb punts? The reason I 1214 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 1: do it? Ball security? I trust him? I would. I 1215 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,960 Speaker 1: get it. I get this. Can't argue with that. I'm 1216 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,120 Speaker 1: not dealing with yardage, get it. I know he's not 1217 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: going to screw it up. What would you put the 1218 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: not put Stling Shepherd or back him back then? Because 1219 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,520 Speaker 1: of who they are, we're just having fair catching. We're fine. 1220 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,440 Speaker 1: I guess you could have Sterling fair catching. He's been 1221 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 1: back there before. Whatever. Anyway, I just I just give 1222 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,360 Speaker 1: you that stat about Mike Jones because it intrigues me, 1223 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 1: and believe me, I'm going to track somebody down on 1224 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: that coaching staff and figure out if they know it, 1225 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they know it, maybe to give him 1226 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: a shot, trapping them in the corner so they can't 1227 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 1: get away from you. Right, I'm just here, right, I'm hungry. 1228 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Can we go eat? Thank you, Paul, Thank you John, 1229 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Thanks you for joining us on Big Boe Kickoff liive. 1230 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Reminder shows the rest of the week UM are at 1231 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: two o'clock as well and next week as well two 1232 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: to three pm due to the schedule of practice and 1233 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 1: media availability. And again, Big Book Kickoff Live is now 1234 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 1: presented by Coors Light, our new sponsor, and UH Giants 1235 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,320 Speaker 1: and Jets on Friday night, Paul, you have something else 1236 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: to add here MSG tonight six o'clock Training Camp Live. 1237 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,120 Speaker 1: There you go, We'll say you tune in, we'll talk 1238 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: do you guys, review the lines a little bit and 1239 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: look at the Jets a little bit as well. Who's 1240 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: on with you? Who do? Who? Do you got? Tonight? 1241 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Fiegel Figles is in the house and a special 1242 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: interview with Otis Sanderson to talk about Barkley and you 1243 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,520 Speaker 1: gotta tune in to see that. And I believe be 1244 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: j hill Right interview beat you Hill on the show 1245 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 1: as well, so make sure you check that out. Thanks 1246 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: joining us with see tomorrow on giants dot com again 1247 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: two o'clock for a big bookickoff live presented by Corps Light. 1248 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: We'll see that