Speaker 1: What's going on y'all? Thanks for tuning into another episode
Speaker 1: of Street Politicians, the place with the streets of politics
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Speaker 1: mallory and again, thank you for coming back. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the place where we agree to disagree almost
Speaker 1: every single show. But you know, we appreciate the fact
Speaker 1: that our audience is learning with us. We're all learning together, right,
Speaker 1: we know we have so much learning to do and
Speaker 1: so much information to share. Uh. This week of Street
Speaker 1: Politicians gonna cover a few different topics. Number One, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about some things that we've seen on
Speaker 1: the internet around Dwayne Wade's son daughter, excuse me, Zia UM.
Speaker 1: And we won't necessarily talk about Dwayne Wade and Zia,
Speaker 1: but it's also brought up some other conversations about UM
Speaker 1: children and and lgbt I lgbt I A No, it's
Speaker 1: lgbt q I A plus expressions and experiences for children. Uh.
Speaker 1: Talking about that, We're gonna cover a little bit of
Speaker 1: the Harvey Weinstein situation. Obviously, he's been found guilty. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited about that because I am so tired of
Speaker 1: hearing people say, but what about Harvey Weinstein. When we
Speaker 1: want to talk about r. Kelly and Bill Cosby and
Speaker 1: other incidents where black folks have been found to do
Speaker 1: inappropriate things to women. Uh. The anniversary of the Selma Jubilee,
Speaker 1: which is the bridge crossing that happens in Selma, Alabama
Speaker 1: every year. If you watched the movie Selma, you saw
Speaker 1: where John Lewis and Dr King and others attempted to
Speaker 1: walk across that bridge. They finally got over the bridge.
Speaker 1: A battle for voting rites down in Alabama. Mu Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a part of our history that
Speaker 1: is extremely powerful. We're gonna talk about it's anniversary action
Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday, bloody because many were beaten. John Lewis when
Speaker 1: we look at him right now, he has a visible
Speaker 1: scar that came Congressman John Lewis, the Great um and
Speaker 1: and it came from Bloody Sunday. So we're gonna be
Speaker 1: there this weekend and we'll talk a little bit about that,
Speaker 1: and then my son's gonna tell you about what he
Speaker 1: doesn't get because he doesn't get anything at all. You
Speaker 1: don't get into me. I don't get it. Some stuff
Speaker 1: I just don't get right. But you know, I had
Speaker 1: thought of the day um as I was just thinking,
Speaker 1: like centering myself for the conversation around the gender and
Speaker 1: lgbt q I A plus expressions dialogue. The thought that
Speaker 1: came to me is that there has to be spaces
Speaker 1: for black and brown, but as a black person and
Speaker 1: as a black mother of a black son, safe spaces
Speaker 1: for us to have some real conversations, like we really
Speaker 1: need to get in rooms where we have people who
Speaker 1: come from all the different identities, um, black men who
Speaker 1: are feeling attacked, um and and and also feeling just
Speaker 1: unsure about this moment because I think that just as
Speaker 1: we say we don't want to have division between black
Speaker 1: women and black men, we also don't want to have
Speaker 1: division between black men based upon who loves who, or
Speaker 1: who lives a certain way or who has a certain expression.
Speaker 1: But I can understand how on all different sides people
Speaker 1: feel extremely offended and also afraid of what is coming,
Speaker 1: what's happening around us that we don't know. UM. So
Speaker 1: I think there has to be spaces where there's real
Speaker 1: safe dialogue because we're not gonna always agree. Have three
Speaker 1: very important friends, Yandy and I share these friends, very
Speaker 1: special people to me and in conversation that we were
Speaker 1: having just this week, I saw the different levels of
Speaker 1: pain and experience. They're all three different men who identify
Speaker 1: as gay, um, and they are just and and everyone.
Speaker 1: In the conversation that we were having, it was it
Speaker 1: was really powerful and there was a lot there, a
Speaker 1: lot of pain, a lot of expression, a lot of laughter.
Speaker 1: But what I appreciated the most is that they allowed
Speaker 1: me to be ignorant enough to learn. So I asked
Speaker 1: stupid questions, I probably made stupid statements, um, And they
Speaker 1: helped to educate me. And when I walked away from it,
Speaker 1: I knew more. I felt empowered, And I also felt
Speaker 1: that I could go out now and encourage and inspire
Speaker 1: another person who may be in the walking through life
Speaker 1: unsure about these topics, not just because they're gay, but
Speaker 1: because they just might not even understand where they fit
Speaker 1: in the dialogue. So I just think, you know, the
Speaker 1: thought of the day today is if we really love
Speaker 1: all our people, we have to find a way to
Speaker 1: have conversations where all our people feel safe in those
Speaker 1: in that dialogue. And I agree with that on you know,
Speaker 1: like I have, I share a couple of those friends
Speaker 1: that you're speaking of and a lot of times we
Speaker 1: don't we especially as black men, coming from where we
Speaker 1: come from in our communities. Um, there are so much confusion,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like they say that that
Speaker 1: black community is just homophocus, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's the exact term. I just sometimes it might be ignorance.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times people are ignorance and
Speaker 1: they say things out of ignorance. You know, we were
Speaker 1: raised a certain way, and you gotta unlearned to learn sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know. So when you start to embrace people and
Speaker 1: you realize that the reality is that everybody has um
Speaker 1: different ideologies, different beliefs, different understandings, and you can agree
Speaker 1: to disagree. You don't have to um want to harm somebody.
Speaker 1: You don't have to think something is crazy with them.
Speaker 1: You don't have to see them as some type of
Speaker 1: foreign object or some type of foreign person. And I
Speaker 1: think when you sit back and you unwrap and you
Speaker 1: unpacked these things that most of the time people are
Speaker 1: just human beings, you know, And I think that's most
Speaker 1: of the people people, I mean all the time. You
Speaker 1: basically we just all human beings, and we just everybody
Speaker 1: wants to exist. You know what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: the fight to exist is where where we you know,
Speaker 1: we find this this tug of war, and I think
Speaker 1: we've got to have safe spaces. You know. Um, I
Speaker 1: went to my social media, you know, and me and
Speaker 1: you was having this conversation and I posted so and
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with sexuality. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't really think that. I don't
Speaker 1: think because at the end of the day, people have
Speaker 1: the right to exist as their full selves. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you're gay, if you're lesbian, if you're training, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, that your reality is. That is your reality,
Speaker 1: and you should love yourself. You should love whoever you love.
Speaker 1: But it's not even Somebody had a comment on your
Speaker 1: page that I thought, let me finish, but I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say. Somebody had a comment on your page
Speaker 1: that said, the reason why a lot of folks who
Speaker 1: are gay or who come from that community. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I have my someone very close to me
Speaker 1: told me that the use of l g B, t
Speaker 1: q I A doesn't also represent everyone as well. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of learning that we all can do.
Speaker 1: But someone wrote on your page that the reason why
Speaker 1: people who come from these communities feel a way is
Speaker 1: not because they don't love themselves, but because the world
Speaker 1: doesn't love them. The world treats them a certain type
Speaker 1: of way. Well, that's and that comes from ignorance. It
Speaker 1: comes from learning, you understand, I'm saying, when you start
Speaker 1: to identify something that is new to you, people fear
Speaker 1: what they don't understand, you know. So that is comes
Speaker 1: from learning. And I think we're at a different time.
Speaker 1: I think we're in a different space where we're learning
Speaker 1: more every day. I think, you know, the l g B,
Speaker 1: t q I A plus community is becoming something that's
Speaker 1: way more visible. You know that we have to have
Speaker 1: conversations about we have to educate ourselves about the realities
Speaker 1: of the situation. And I also think it also it
Speaker 1: brings up different topics like the one that on my page.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm for me, you know when I look
Speaker 1: at this, when I look at the topic that I
Speaker 1: put on my page. What is the lady's name again?
Speaker 1: Celebrity woman And if people want Shelie Stern, Yes, she
Speaker 1: has um. She has two adopted black children, one is
Speaker 1: a young girl. And I want to stay first. The
Speaker 1: post states that she has two young black boys that
Speaker 1: she identifies that she had died and identify as as girls.
Speaker 1: But it's the only one one of them was born
Speaker 1: a girl. And then the other one she identifies, she identifies.
Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying about the education child, not
Speaker 1: the mother and the mother. The mother said that, okay,
Speaker 1: And this is what this is what my issue is,
Speaker 1: and that is the whole question. Right. So this the
Speaker 1: article states that at three years old, sure at least realize, yes,
Speaker 1: please look it up. You can look it up. It's
Speaker 1: not can we get some help from the producers? Look
Speaker 1: up the article that talks she talks about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, at three years old, how do you identify
Speaker 1: as any gender? You know? And and that that's what
Speaker 1: my concern is. My concern is that at three, I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what I was thinking. At three, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I didn't have the ability to
Speaker 1: discern information that was pretty much common sense at three.
Speaker 1: So how as a parent do you give the ability
Speaker 1: of to a child to identify agenda that is different
Speaker 1: then there? Genitel is? How do how do you how
Speaker 1: do you give because you're not gonna say If the
Speaker 1: child says, you know what, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: to school, you look like what what what do you
Speaker 1: mean you don't want to go to school. If the
Speaker 1: child says I want to drive a car, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna say You're gonna be like, I'm not letting you
Speaker 1: drive a car. But all those things. See, this is why,
Speaker 1: this is why I think, this is why I feel
Speaker 1: like we have to be able to sit. It's nothing
Speaker 1: about us without us, right, and I think we have
Speaker 1: to special. You want to tell you what you want
Speaker 1: me tell you why in this situation, it's not the
Speaker 1: same because we are What we're saying is that, um, gender,
Speaker 1: these are normal things, right we we were saying this
Speaker 1: is normal. It's just a difference right where and when
Speaker 1: we have a conversation with every normal individual like LGBT
Speaker 1: and trans are normal people, right, This is not This
Speaker 1: is not something that is any type of dysfunction or anything.
Speaker 1: This is normal. Is just different. Right. When we have
Speaker 1: a conversation with headal sexual people, they will tell you
Speaker 1: not not a tend of them or probably tendor A
Speaker 1: tend them will tell you that at three years old
Speaker 1: they were not able to identify gender somebody had to,
Speaker 1: they learned that. They will tell you that it's not
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense to be able to identify
Speaker 1: we're saying that if we're saying that the trans that
Speaker 1: the trans community has a different level of understanding, it's
Speaker 1: not a different level of understanding. It's an experience that
Speaker 1: only a person who has been through it understands and
Speaker 1: or who is experience who is going through it only
Speaker 1: they And I think I think that common No, it is.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that it's not common sense
Speaker 1: to us because we haven't been through it. Just like
Speaker 1: we just know what I'm trying to say as a man.
Speaker 1: But it's not about identifying your gender. It's not about
Speaker 1: identifying that. It's about the fact that just like at
Speaker 1: three years old, two years old, you can look at
Speaker 1: your child and say, this child is going to be
Speaker 1: a great artist, or this child is going to be
Speaker 1: a great uh you know, singer, or or or look
Speaker 1: at how they build things already you can see their
Speaker 1: handwork and eye coordination with a ball and and they jump.
Speaker 1: They already have it. It's something about the child that
Speaker 1: exists that gives you the impression or gives you a
Speaker 1: feeling that you know what this this child has something
Speaker 1: that is maybe and and also who pool constructed normal
Speaker 1: because that's another thing that I think we're in the
Speaker 1: process of confronting right now, that normalcy to us has
Speaker 1: been defined a certain way that does not make room
Speaker 1: for people's differences. And no, but but what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that there are people who made from the child
Speaker 1: time that a child is three years old or four
Speaker 1: years old, feel that they see in their child something
Speaker 1: that that they know is very different from maybe even
Speaker 1: what they experience. And as a result of that, you
Speaker 1: have parents who watch it and don't try to suppress it.
Speaker 1: But I understand that there are some people who said, well,
Speaker 1: how far do you go to push the child or
Speaker 1: the person towards when ever you believe that they should be.
Speaker 1: There are people out here that train their child from
Speaker 1: two years old. They read certain types of books to
Speaker 1: them to help them on the journey towards being a
Speaker 1: lawyer or a doctor or whatever it is. Especially if
Speaker 1: they see in their child something that's like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: this is gonna be let's work on this. Then maybe
Speaker 1: when they get older the like, uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't it or maybe it is. Let's see
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to tell you that that right there,
Speaker 1: you can't do that with a kid, because what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you you you you don't that. To me,
Speaker 1: that borders on child abuse when you when you decide
Speaker 1: that you see something in the child that you might
Speaker 1: just be wanting to see that in the child. Right,
Speaker 1: that goes that goes this. I'm just saying, I'm just
Speaker 1: asking this is a question decided what is right? What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's not about right as a boy. That's
Speaker 1: what I think the big debate is around and why
Speaker 1: we need to have this conver sation with other individuals
Speaker 1: who come from different types of gender expressions because I
Speaker 1: don't even do this decision that the way we've been
Speaker 1: doing it all our lives is right. But that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, and I'm not saying and if
Speaker 1: if the way we've been doing it is wrong, then
Speaker 1: then we're wrong. Right, then we're wrong if we if
Speaker 1: we've been raising you know, but I think is this
Speaker 1: there are certain if it's not, it's different, right, if
Speaker 1: there's certain genitalia on you that you don't identify with, right,
Speaker 1: that's worn that way. Listen to me, but just listen
Speaker 1: to me. It is because if you identify with a woman,
Speaker 1: if you identify as a man and you identify as
Speaker 1: a woman, if you're born a male and you find
Speaker 1: that you identify as a woman, that you feel as
Speaker 1: a woman, then your penis is something that you're not
Speaker 1: really comfortable that that's not true. That's what I'm so,
Speaker 1: how could you so that's what? That's what But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm trying, that's been saying. That's why
Speaker 1: it is important when we have these conversations. No, because
Speaker 1: I have heard, when speaking directly to people who are trans,
Speaker 1: people who have gone through through this or who live
Speaker 1: in this experience every day, their genitalia is the last
Speaker 1: thing that matters in terms of what it is that
Speaker 1: they're experiencing and what they're going through and what they're feeling.
Speaker 1: And we're so caught up on if you have a penis,
Speaker 1: then you're this and if you have a vagina, then
Speaker 1: that's not you. But if you are the one who
Speaker 1: brought up genitalia, And what I'm saying is that what
Speaker 1: I've heard, and that's why I think again, I think
Speaker 1: I think it is I'm in a different I'm in
Speaker 1: the wrong body. This is right, So listen, So listen
Speaker 1: to what I'm saying to you. If you're telling me
Speaker 1: you're in the wrong body, is your genitalia and in
Speaker 1: parts of your body that are specific to a man
Speaker 1: not they're not. They don't have something that. Don't say
Speaker 1: I'm necessarily in the wrong body. They just say that
Speaker 1: I know that the way that I feel most comfortable
Speaker 1: is an address or more feminine being, more expressing more
Speaker 1: of my feminine side and my feminine traits. And again,
Speaker 1: I think the larger conversation because the point of me
Speaker 1: opening this up is not to say that, uh that
Speaker 1: I agree or don't agree, or no, or don't know,
Speaker 1: because I don't know. But what I do think is
Speaker 1: that as leaders who have multiple types of people following us,
Speaker 1: believing in us, wanting to fight alongside us, I think
Speaker 1: that it makes sense that when we're having these conversations
Speaker 1: that we have the people who experience these these different feelings,
Speaker 1: whether it be the one who feels I'm in the
Speaker 1: wrong body, the one who feels that it's not so
Speaker 1: much about my body. But but white folks should never
Speaker 1: sit down and analyze race and issues about black people
Speaker 1: without having black people as part of the converse. I
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: it's like everything right. When something becomes normalize, when something
Speaker 1: comes common, it becomes the new topic that people are
Speaker 1: talking about. There are situations where it is pushed. There
Speaker 1: are situations where people grap onto the normal. They want
Speaker 1: to be a part of what's popular. There are situations
Speaker 1: where that happens. And I'm asking, how do we protect
Speaker 1: children from being trained no, they want to be a part.
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to be a part of being comfortable
Speaker 1: in the trans community. Maybe they want to be a
Speaker 1: part of making their children, or maybe they wanted to
Speaker 1: have a girl and decided they had a boy. How
Speaker 1: do we protect children against things like this? Is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, because how do we know? How
Speaker 1: do we when when when we start saying that a
Speaker 1: three year old is capable of deciding that there is
Speaker 1: different than the one that their bodies. This is what
Speaker 1: the woman said. She said at three years old, that
Speaker 1: the woman told her she was a boy. I mean
Speaker 1: she was a girl, yes, or she's still a boy, yes,
Speaker 1: right know, she's she's she exactly, so this is what
Speaker 1: she said. Okay, so what I'm asking and this is
Speaker 1: my total thing. It has nothing to do with adults,
Speaker 1: even teenagers, because at teenage, at teenage, I was aware
Speaker 1: of my own sexuality. I was comfortable with who I was,
Speaker 1: I identified with what I was. I was able to
Speaker 1: make decisions based on learning and feeling like, you're this
Speaker 1: same really for me. So in that space at a
Speaker 1: teenage years you you you come to in to understand
Speaker 1: your gender, your sexuality, your body. There things that you
Speaker 1: you identify and you say, well, this is what I like,
Speaker 1: this what I don't like, and that's what I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's why I consistently said that there may
Speaker 1: be a person who is twenty years old right now
Speaker 1: who says, since I was that small, these are the
Speaker 1: things that I experienced that let it be known to
Speaker 1: me that I was different, or that I may be
Speaker 1: trands or whatever. And I wish that my parents would
Speaker 1: not have tried to force me into whatever else they
Speaker 1: felt was a norm, because maybe when I was three
Speaker 1: and four, I was already saying I don't like uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like basketball. I want to play
Speaker 1: with dogs I don't like. But that's not really true,
Speaker 1: because at three or four I was playing with dogs
Speaker 1: and I had a sister, and I still play with
Speaker 1: the basketball and when she came with her dolls, I
Speaker 1: played with the dogs, but the children. And what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you is that we also have to
Speaker 1: protect children from their parents forcing their truth or their
Speaker 1: from every part of the spectrum, not just from why
Speaker 1: are you going to allow her to wear a dress,
Speaker 1: but also why would you force her in the pants?
Speaker 1: If that's why do you force him to go to school?
Speaker 1: Why do you why do you force him to listen
Speaker 1: to you? Why do you force him? But listen to me,
Speaker 1: And this is a conversation. I'm glad you said that
Speaker 1: because every person that is from the LGBT community, a
Speaker 1: lot of them tell me that the life that they
Speaker 1: were boring into is a painful life. If they could
Speaker 1: have chosen, most of them said, this is not the
Speaker 1: life that I've chosen. This is how it's born, So
Speaker 1: listen to me. So if you make a decision based
Speaker 1: on a person who's living in a life that's telling
Speaker 1: you that they've been dealing with turmoil in pain their
Speaker 1: whole life right, And you look at a three and
Speaker 1: a four year old and you've made a decision that
Speaker 1: this three or four year old said something to you,
Speaker 1: and you're deciding that I'm going to let a three
Speaker 1: year old who has no ability to discern yes, let
Speaker 1: because you you're in charge of this, this child. You
Speaker 1: you're in child in charge of a child. If a
Speaker 1: child says I'm not doing this, you have as a parent,
Speaker 1: you have a parental abilities, you have parental responsibilities. So
Speaker 1: when do we give when do we give the parents
Speaker 1: some level of control over how they interact with a
Speaker 1: child who's telling them at three years old that they're
Speaker 1: not the sex that they I'm going to I mean
Speaker 1: to say this to you again. That means that you've decided,
Speaker 1: first of all, that a certain way of life is
Speaker 1: harmful or that it's bad. It's not. That's not what's
Speaker 1: because I don't want you to. But you can't say that.
Speaker 1: Let me finish saying what I'm saying. The reason why
Speaker 1: I'm saying that you've decided that is because that's not
Speaker 1: what I've decided. I'm saying that if you have having
Speaker 1: based on conversations, and the conversation is exactly what I
Speaker 1: just told you was on your page, the person said,
Speaker 1: as a trans person. It's not me, it's the way
Speaker 1: the world treats me. So what Alicia Keys was saying
Speaker 1: when she was talking about her her beautiful son and
Speaker 1: him wanting to wear nail polish, what she was saying
Speaker 1: is I wish he could live in a world where
Speaker 1: people just wouldn't judge him. It's not I want to
Speaker 1: change him. It's not that I want to stop him
Speaker 1: from being who he is. It's not that I want
Speaker 1: to stop that child from being free. I want you,
Speaker 1: not you, but you people to stop judging him. It'sn't
Speaker 1: so to the way in which we look at it,
Speaker 1: what we're what you're saying without maybe you don't recognize it,
Speaker 1: but what you're saying is we need to suppress the child,
Speaker 1: or let me just finish, Let me just finish. Can
Speaker 1: but can I can? I? Can I just finish saying
Speaker 1: what I'm saying because raising the child maybe that I'm
Speaker 1: allowing my child to wear a girl clothes. That's me
Speaker 1: raising my fucking child. It's not your child. I'm not
Speaker 1: askin you to put fucking dresses on your son. I'm
Speaker 1: not asking you to put pants on your son. I'm
Speaker 1: not asking you to do anything. I'm saying what my
Speaker 1: say again once again, First of all, that's adopted child,
Speaker 1: that ignorant, So why don't you just know to me? Okay,
Speaker 1: so listen to me so you can adopt the child
Speaker 1: and decide, you know what, I want to raise the
Speaker 1: child as a girl. No, that's not what she That's
Speaker 1: not what she said. So what is to find what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing? At least maybe I'm not educated, but what
Speaker 1: I heard her say was the child gave them the
Speaker 1: impression or told her that this is how I feel. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's what Here's what I'm saying to you when
Speaker 1: I walk in this is the world that we want
Speaker 1: to live in or the world that I also want
Speaker 1: to live in. Now, I don't know, and I need,
Speaker 1: I need to process and deal with my own internal
Speaker 1: issues and biases and things that I deal it. So
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm gonna put that out there off the back.
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is that we're walk into
Speaker 1: a store. If I walk into a store with my child,
Speaker 1: boy or girl whatever they whatever, whatever boy or girl genital,
Speaker 1: you're wise when we walk into the store. If my child,
Speaker 1: as a boy runs towards the girl clothes, that's what
Speaker 1: the funk I'm gonna let you put on. Maybe you
Speaker 1: don't go over this way where the boys go. Maybe
Speaker 1: three years old, but that's what we're trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: To me, that's the whole question. So if you're making
Speaker 1: a decision that at three years old that a boy,
Speaker 1: that you're gonna raise the boy, that boys clothes have
Speaker 1: to be a certain way, just listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Listen to what I'm not saying, boy's clothes. She said
Speaker 1: that I'm not this. It's not a boy, it's a girl.
Speaker 1: Is not this is what she said. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying boys close or whatever has to
Speaker 1: be a certain way. What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: if you made a decision that a three year old
Speaker 1: came to you and said, I'm not a boy, I'm
Speaker 1: a girl, and you honored that decision and you're going
Speaker 1: to raise that child as a girl. With a child
Speaker 1: who has no ability that you wouldn't give the ability
Speaker 1: to make discernment about way less um life. Listen to me,
Speaker 1: just just but it's not about Okay, So listen to me.
Speaker 1: If you decided you won't let your kids stay up
Speaker 1: to eight o'clock is right? A wrong? Or you decided
Speaker 1: to let them get some sleep, that's harmful because if
Speaker 1: you like you said, if I said, and make you
Speaker 1: go to school, Yeah, if you don't go to school,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be educated. What is going to
Speaker 1: and you go to jail as a parent for not
Speaker 1: putting your child in school? Exactly? That means that. So
Speaker 1: that's what you asking you. So what is the right way?
Speaker 1: What is the right way? Since sending a child in
Speaker 1: school is the right way to do it, then what
Speaker 1: is the right way to raise a child? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? I don't I don't know. I'm asking you
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm giving okay, So my right way to
Speaker 1: raise the child is what I believe is this As
Speaker 1: a parent, the parental your parental duties are to raise
Speaker 1: your child into they have discern Okay, so listen to it,
Speaker 1: and you're okay. Raising your child is not allowing them
Speaker 1: to make decisions that are life changes. Two and three.
Speaker 1: If you are a boy, if you're boy with a
Speaker 1: penis then what is the right decision? And and the
Speaker 1: bigger question that I have is who decided what that
Speaker 1: decision is? Who decided what the framework is? Because you're
Speaker 1: saying that the boy should be living in a certain framework.
Speaker 1: That means that your son is going to wear pants,
Speaker 1: he's going to uh, you know, uh, you do certain
Speaker 1: things that boys do. He's not going to be let's
Speaker 1: just say a ballerina. But instead he's going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, a hip hop dancer or a basketball player.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna send him to all girls sleepovers. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna we're gonna we're gonna raise him as a boy.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you who defined what raising a child as
Speaker 1: a boy means? Well, raising a child as a boy
Speaker 1: first means that you identify that child as a boy.
Speaker 1: That is the first thing that you do when you
Speaker 1: have a boy at Okay, so listen to me. The
Speaker 1: parameters are you identify your son as a son? Until
Speaker 1: the son explained to me the son of a son?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? There's no norms of a son.
Speaker 1: You're raising your son as a son. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the norms look like. You might decide if you
Speaker 1: decide that you're raising your son. Okay, he's going through
Speaker 1: a phase. He wants to wear clothes. He believes that
Speaker 1: this would he's supposed to believe and you think he
Speaker 1: believes that he's supposed to wear these clothes. He likes
Speaker 1: these clothes best. If that's how you want to raise
Speaker 1: your child, and that's your that's your personal thing. Cool,
Speaker 1: But allowing a three year old to tell you that
Speaker 1: they're not a boy, there's a girl. I think there
Speaker 1: is a power rental. And I think I believe what
Speaker 1: I think is the as the mouth feces. And we
Speaker 1: can end this here because we have other stuff to
Speaker 1: talk about and you can say whatever you want to
Speaker 1: say after this, But um, what I think is the
Speaker 1: mouth feces is that we are so stubborn that we
Speaker 1: are well, we refuse to understand that somewhere along the line,
Speaker 1: somebody told us what these things are supposed to look like?
Speaker 1: What the son and the daughter in the way and
Speaker 1: theness and that how people are supposed to operate. And
Speaker 1: I think that the mouth feces is that we just
Speaker 1: we we we are making decisions for a child based
Speaker 1: upon what we feel at what society? What do you do?
Speaker 1: What is what is what is parenting? Do you let
Speaker 1: your child run into the middle of street because they
Speaker 1: want about something that is very personal, And I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: how does it personal? And it's not gender. Listen to me.
Speaker 1: Listen to me. The ability to discern knowledge, information, These
Speaker 1: are things that have to be present when you make
Speaker 1: a decision. A three year old does not have enough
Speaker 1: of those things to make a decision about its own gender.
Speaker 1: There is there is for you. Listen to me, that
Speaker 1: is for you to nurture. That is for you to nurture.
Speaker 1: And if you're if your child, if your son comes
Speaker 1: to you, why is it not Also and again, I
Speaker 1: raised my son as what I believe the norms are
Speaker 1: for a young man, okay, And I don't believe that
Speaker 1: if if I had another child that was three years
Speaker 1: old that told me that he thinks he's a girl,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would be like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: go buy dresses and do all of this and that
Speaker 1: I don't know that, and I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: right or wrong. And I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: have to be your question, and I also don't and
Speaker 1: that's the whole question, is the thing. I also don't
Speaker 1: know if I had a child that had certain types
Speaker 1: of things going on and certain types of expressions and
Speaker 1: feelings and things that I identify with as a parent,
Speaker 1: things that I can see, and they say, I'm a
Speaker 1: girl or I'm whatever I am. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that feels like because I've never experienced it, and I
Speaker 1: think that a person who was a parent, who was
Speaker 1: experienced it. Because we also here to your point about
Speaker 1: all the things that have been said. We've heard from
Speaker 1: fathers who have said, you know what, I was against it,
Speaker 1: I tried to beat my child. But no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But that's that right there. But listen to me, but
Speaker 1: right there, because I don't want I don't want you to.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: even but let me just the two things, the two different.
Speaker 1: Get your point after mind, and then okay, whatever I've
Speaker 1: heard people say, I tried to beat them, I tried
Speaker 1: to change them, tried to do all these things. But
Speaker 1: at some point I realized that they were who they
Speaker 1: were and that we knew, but not at three. But
Speaker 1: but but that's that's the bottom up. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that the conversation needs to also be with
Speaker 1: parents who have a different They don't feel that way.
Speaker 1: They like no at three and I and as a
Speaker 1: listen to me. They tell you that by the age
Speaker 1: of three, you can tell whether or not a child
Speaker 1: is going to go to prison, whether or not they're
Speaker 1: gonna do all types of things, what type of greatness
Speaker 1: they would have. By the age of three, that's my
Speaker 1: third grade they do all of that by third grade. Three,
Speaker 1: that's that's when you're learning. The age of three is
Speaker 1: when you start to day the school to pison pipe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're able to tell where he's going to three
Speaker 1: years old, they are able. My kids are completely different
Speaker 1: kids as they were at three. You're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: that is that is not true, That is not true,
Speaker 1: that that is not true. Because there are things about
Speaker 1: your sons that you will all of us have been
Speaker 1: talking about kids. They have remained Your son. Cameron has
Speaker 1: remained one of the most creative children since he was
Speaker 1: very small. When I first met you all as a family,
Speaker 1: one thing we all knew was that Cameron was extremely
Speaker 1: creative with his hands. He was an extremely creative child,
Speaker 1: and he's only gotten better, He's only gotten greater. Act
Speaker 1: the creative stuff. He used to always want to come
Speaker 1: and make a creator. He don't do none of that
Speaker 1: now he plays sports, but with the parents that the
Speaker 1: two of you are the great family that you are.
Speaker 1: When he was three and he said he and he
Speaker 1: felt creative, y'all boor and more all the right things
Speaker 1: to allow him to get into that. And then at
Speaker 1: the point that he made change to his sports that
Speaker 1: he's in now now we as a family shift to
Speaker 1: be able asking you. So I'm asking you, and this
Speaker 1: is this is because I wanted okay, so listen to okay.
Speaker 1: So mye thing is this. Are you doing the right thing?
Speaker 1: Are you making it your child happy by allowing your
Speaker 1: child who is not hasn't once again, doesn't have any knowledge, wisdom,
Speaker 1: or understanding of his who he is. Do you listen
Speaker 1: to me? No, they don't. At three, I didn't have
Speaker 1: no wisdom. There was no wisdom at three, the bottom mine.
Speaker 1: At three, I had no ability to discern it. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what the fun was or anything. I
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell you the difference between any But kids
Speaker 1: don't notice. Raised. They don't know. And at three years old,
Speaker 1: nobody's coming to you why this person is life skinned darkskin?
Speaker 1: They don't know they're just enjoying life. So if a
Speaker 1: kid comes to you that might have seen something on
Speaker 1: TV or the best person they like is a girl,
Speaker 1: she says, I'm a girl. Somebody told her a girl,
Speaker 1: and they're identified and they said, I'm girl too. And
Speaker 1: you're going are you going to nurture that in your
Speaker 1: child because you think it's gonna make them comfortable. Now,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to not be so stressed over
Speaker 1: it and worried about them. And I think I think
Speaker 1: that based upon the education that I have today, not
Speaker 1: the education of the past. And I also think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make big mistakes and I'm gonna mess up, and
Speaker 1: that my own biases and my own ego and my
Speaker 1: own feelings and everything else is gonna be there. And
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be times when I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: the right thing. But what I want to hope for
Speaker 1: myself and the education that I've had and and all
Speaker 1: that I've learned the people that I've been exposed to,
Speaker 1: is that when my child comes to me and says
Speaker 1: something like this, not I don't want to go to school,
Speaker 1: not things like that. Those are things that we have
Speaker 1: to be able to move and by the way, it
Speaker 1: used to be I gotta go, you gotta go to college.
Speaker 1: And now in society, we're finding out that sending a
Speaker 1: kid directly to college, like imagine a president's child not
Speaker 1: going to college after the first year. That wasn't happening.
Speaker 1: And now you see President Obama and then said, you
Speaker 1: know what, you can sascha and I think it was sasho. Malieve.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get them confused. You know what, you can
Speaker 1: stay home for the first year. And that's something that
Speaker 1: that has become a new thing that people are doing.
Speaker 1: And used to be that there was only a certain
Speaker 1: type of education that you could get and say, my death,
Speaker 1: So what I'm what you no, you bought up school.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that the education that I
Speaker 1: have now, I would want to hope that I've become
Speaker 1: the type of parents that when my child comes to me,
Speaker 1: especially not if my child has been a certain way
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he goes around a
Speaker 1: group of friends and he comes back and he's acting
Speaker 1: like something different. That's different. But I'm trying. I I
Speaker 1: want to believe, and I ain't talking about white folks
Speaker 1: adopting black children. That's a different conversation. We could talk
Speaker 1: about that all day. There's all kinds of issues with
Speaker 1: white people adopting black children and doing different types of things.
Speaker 1: Some of them do great things, some of them do
Speaker 1: not so great things, some of them do terrible things.
Speaker 1: So that's different. But I'm saying, as a black parent,
Speaker 1: I want to be able to look at my child
Speaker 1: and not prevent them from being their full selves and
Speaker 1: from being happy their entire life. And that means that
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to walk an uncomfortable road together, especially
Speaker 1: the road about a three year old you, because up
Speaker 1: to three lit to me, you are, you are guiding
Speaker 1: every move. So listen to you, gonna god everything else
Speaker 1: to child, Everything else that that child comes to you
Speaker 1: that goes disaccording to what you know, You're gonna say no,
Speaker 1: don't you. But listen to me. Just listen to me.
Speaker 1: Everything else that they come to you that goes disaccording
Speaker 1: to what you feel or learn, You're going to say no.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. That's what is. That is
Speaker 1: the conversation that I think we're being forced to right now,
Speaker 1: is that maybe some of that is not right, but
Speaker 1: we can't we can't tell you why because I watch
Speaker 1: you and your children. I watch my best friend Jane
Speaker 1: and hurt her son, and different people whose kids have
Speaker 1: grown up very different. Like when I think about how
Speaker 1: I was raised and then how I raised to read,
Speaker 1: I can see where there are some challenges with my
Speaker 1: son and I based upon as I was raising him.
Speaker 1: I believe a child shouldn't speak. You you you what
Speaker 1: they asked if you have to, you know, just certain things,
Speaker 1: traditional things that I was taught. And that don't mean
Speaker 1: that we didn't turn out well. But today, as I
Speaker 1: watched your parenting, as I watched the parents and of
Speaker 1: other friends that I had, there's much more expression for
Speaker 1: these kids. They're being allowed to be much more open.
Speaker 1: They can have they can talk, they can do this.
Speaker 1: When I was little, I used to get beat. I
Speaker 1: used to have to stay in the house and and
Speaker 1: and and my school treated me a certain way because
Speaker 1: I ran my mouth too much. All you alway, you
Speaker 1: talk too much, You talk too much, you talk too much,
Speaker 1: And I I went through hell. I still deal with
Speaker 1: what they put me through because I was a kid
Speaker 1: that was too talkative. But look at me, I was
Speaker 1: freaking spoke before five million people in this world. And
Speaker 1: I ran my mouth. I ran my mouth for change.
Speaker 1: I ran my mouth to make a difference in society.
Speaker 1: And if somebody had fostered when I was little, that
Speaker 1: maybe I wouldn't have gone through half the ship that
Speaker 1: I've been through in my life if they would have
Speaker 1: allowed me to be who I was at that time.
Speaker 1: And I think that we as a society are developing
Speaker 1: to a place. We're coming to a place where people
Speaker 1: are beginning to understand that some of the ship that
Speaker 1: we were taught, we pushed on our kids and it
Speaker 1: hurt them, it didn't help. But that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm all four nurturing attributes and kids and seeing
Speaker 1: where they have attributes. But I'm not. I do not
Speaker 1: believe that a three year old is enough knowledgeable, as
Speaker 1: enough wisdom understanding about self, about life, about anything to
Speaker 1: make a decision about his gender. I don't. I just don't,
Speaker 1: especially when it's contrary to how their birth anonomy. I
Speaker 1: just I personally believe that you were as a a parent,
Speaker 1: you have the right, you have the responsibility to to
Speaker 1: tell that child you your boy until until until he
Speaker 1: is able to discern for himself, we're going to live
Speaker 1: this way. But I don't know that you have the
Speaker 1: right to tell somebody, but you have the right to
Speaker 1: tell them what to wear. Every day they wake up,
Speaker 1: you put the clothes on, You tell him what the eats.
Speaker 1: But what do you mean it's not so different because
Speaker 1: they would choose to eat other food. Did you feel
Speaker 1: like did you feel as nutritional fool or you feel
Speaker 1: it's best for them? You cook food and you said
Speaker 1: this movie we got to eat you and that's even
Speaker 1: more important? That is not How are you going to
Speaker 1: say that you're serious more important than their gender? Are you?
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that what I eat is more
Speaker 1: important than who I am when I wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning. Nothing, it's not, That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell you. That's what I'm saying. Don't who you are?
Speaker 1: That's what I tell you. Who you are is way
Speaker 1: more important. Exactly, that's important you can control. But the
Speaker 1: thing is that are more important Exactly, you're seriously so
Speaker 1: for a child and things that are most important for
Speaker 1: a three years. I just want to say, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm getting off of this. But you're telling me that
Speaker 1: the most important things in a child, a three year
Speaker 1: old child's life. You don't have any control, right, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, that's what that's right. That's the
Speaker 1: key word to me. I think I have influence, but
Speaker 1: I do not know if I have control. But that's
Speaker 1: but it's not about you, right. The word is influence
Speaker 1: in nurturing. You're supposed to as a parent. Your job
Speaker 1: is to nurture your child, right, and to leave the child.
Speaker 1: And if a child comes to you at the age
Speaker 1: of three, at the age that ten, why do you
Speaker 1: have to say no, you're not And the child says,
Speaker 1: I'm a boy and they only remember when you told
Speaker 1: them they wasn't like and they don't feel comfortable. But
Speaker 1: at that okay, But then at that at that age,
Speaker 1: then you start to make you start to make understanding,
Speaker 1: You start to look and say, let's figure this out.
Speaker 1: But at three years old, you don't lets some money
Speaker 1: just change agenda. It just doesn't. It's just not it's
Speaker 1: not parenting. You are You don't because you don't get
Speaker 1: You don't let a three year old decide the agenda.
Speaker 1: You just don't my sign. You just don't my sign.
Speaker 1: You just don't decide your gender. And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about you don't decide your gender, but you're trying
Speaker 1: to tell you so can question? Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question? Do you think it was ever a three
Speaker 1: year old that thought that said I'm a girl and
Speaker 1: a boy that that put on some girl though said
Speaker 1: I'm a girl that wasn't a girl at all, that
Speaker 1: grew up to be a head of your sexual board.
Speaker 1: As your question, I'm asking this question, do you think
Speaker 1: that happened? Do you think that happened? And sexual assault?
Speaker 1: The ones that he was not convicted of was pre
Speaker 1: Tory sexual assault, which would have given him life in prison.
Speaker 1: But he did get convicted of rape and sexual assault.
Speaker 1: And of course there's been uh, you know, been trying
Speaker 1: to change the subject. So another topic, um here, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: so let's go backs. So we have a lot more
Speaker 1: and I think again we should make sure if we
Speaker 1: bring other people as a part of the dialogue who
Speaker 1: have experienced these issues or experienced this this, these different
Speaker 1: uh expressions in life, so that we could have a
Speaker 1: more full conversation and allow other people to speak from
Speaker 1: lived experience. Um, Harvey Weinstein is a big topic today. Well,
Speaker 1: some people, like applies says, it's not that big of
Speaker 1: a topic at all because he feels like it's not
Speaker 1: on the news. He wants everybody in the world to
Speaker 1: know that Harvey Weinstein was uh convicted of two counts
Speaker 1: of rape. So I saw somewhere it's at four, and
Speaker 1: then I saw somewhere else that said too, but I
Speaker 1: know that he definitely was convicted of rape and sexual assault. Um.
Speaker 1: It's involving two women. And he was not guilty on
Speaker 1: predatory rape predatory sexual assault, which would have given him
Speaker 1: life in prison. The other charges would give him somewhere
Speaker 1: between five to ten years on each charge, these two charges,
Speaker 1: and of course now that he's in prison, he would
Speaker 1: in jail. He was remanded immediately to Rikers Island, which
Speaker 1: is where people go when you're in New York and
Speaker 1: you found guilty of um these types of uh crimes. Uh.
Speaker 1: He now has chest pains and has had to be
Speaker 1: moved to the hospital. He's not feeling well. And you
Speaker 1: know that has just set the internet on fire. Um.
Speaker 1: And and there's been some conversation about whether he will
Speaker 1: receive lighter sentencing because he's the first time offender, which
Speaker 1: also applies said he don't agreed it. Mm hmm. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, ain't really much to talk about that. Harvey
Speaker 1: Weinstein is conversation talking, well, I didn't really wants to
Speaker 1: talk about you know, Harvey want Steen as a predator.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's always been a predator. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's been documented for for years. There's so many
Speaker 1: Like I heard the tape of the lady when he
Speaker 1: was trying to pull her into the room and she
Speaker 1: was like please, and he was like, don't like this
Speaker 1: was this was a predator. This was a man who
Speaker 1: was literally taking woman's body. So I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have any remorse. You know, whatever he gets, you know,
Speaker 1: that's his own karma. He has to deal with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, like like APPLY said, it probably
Speaker 1: hasn't been um plastic all over the news as much
Speaker 1: as you know, Bill Cosby was, or you know, even
Speaker 1: as much as we heard of or Kelly you know.
Speaker 1: But the reality is, you know, I just hope they
Speaker 1: do the right thing, you know, and send him in
Speaker 1: to jail, and he just needs to go on and
Speaker 1: you know, deal with his own demons and you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll see the Harvey win Seen story. Maybe
Speaker 1: Gail will interview him hey, maybe, oh, so that people can.
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's time for Oh sorry, y'all, sorry,
Speaker 1: I got all stuck. Oh my god. Um, but don't
Speaker 1: you think it's time now for the conversation about like
Speaker 1: the comparison between Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby and R.
Speaker 1: Kelly And I know that's not what you were saying.
Speaker 1: You're comparing media the media and how the media has
Speaker 1: portrayed it. But don't you think it's time for us
Speaker 1: to stop comparing the two or bringing up Harvey Weinstein
Speaker 1: every time we talk about Bill Cosby and R. Kelly Because,
Speaker 1: by the way, both are Kelly and and Bill Cosby
Speaker 1: were not convicted in the beginning when women started making accusations,
Speaker 1: they both were able to pay their way and wiggle
Speaker 1: their way out of uh, you know, jail time or
Speaker 1: being convicted in court of crimes. So when it happens
Speaker 1: with Harvey Weinstein, it's like it's something different, but actually
Speaker 1: he really it's all really the same standard, and the
Speaker 1: standard is that women are often not protected. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think um, from a perspective of our community,
Speaker 1: it's that we feel like it's highlighted when it's black
Speaker 1: man like, like you said, it's all plastered all over
Speaker 1: the news is everywhere you can't turn from a channel.
Speaker 1: Black women are outraged corne rapists this, and that, they're
Speaker 1: so outraged in the world the worst, But they don't
Speaker 1: have the same vitriol and outrage for the white creditor
Speaker 1: and and and that's just how black men see it.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe we're looking from a closed lens.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's different with it just doesn't seemed the same way.
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem the same anger from black women about
Speaker 1: a white rapist as it is from about a black man.
Speaker 1: So that's that's I don't know if that's going to change.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna do anything that he
Speaker 1: was found convicted. I don't know because when, like you
Speaker 1: said that, the same media coverage is not it's not happening.
Speaker 1: It's not the same applause and people saying good, he
Speaker 1: need to go, and all of your timeline ain't good.
Speaker 1: Good for Harvey Wain and said it ain't happen when
Speaker 1: when having to build Cosby and having it or Kelly,
Speaker 1: it was all of your timeline. Everywhere you turned you looked,
Speaker 1: it was fucked them. They need to die and anybody
Speaker 1: saying him there's apologist. It was just it was a
Speaker 1: bunch of it was a bunch of real you know,
Speaker 1: plastered everywhere. So I don't know if that's going to
Speaker 1: change based on this situation. But then the question is
Speaker 1: who we follow. I don't know that I know that
Speaker 1: if you go into say pant Suit Nation or maybe
Speaker 1: like the Women's March chats, I believe white women are saying,
Speaker 1: maybe been crying, that they finally got him. Um, they're they're,
Speaker 1: they're they're having the same expression of feeling. I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of different comments saying, you know, I feel vindicated.
Speaker 1: I never was able to get my rapists or the
Speaker 1: person who assaulted me, but this time I feel like
Speaker 1: they got one on all our behalfs. But we follow
Speaker 1: black people, so and then and then, and the bigger
Speaker 1: question is why do black women have to go after
Speaker 1: white men about stuff that they did to white people?
Speaker 1: But that's not But that's not accurate though, because it's
Speaker 1: not this is not the stuff they did the white people.
Speaker 1: This man was raping black women. It was it was
Speaker 1: like two black women. That's what I'm trying. What I'm
Speaker 1: it was a lot of whites. Is that this what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you. This is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to tell you. So it's the same, it's the same situation,
Speaker 1: and and and but that's what we're trying to say.
Speaker 1: If he's a black man and you are so you
Speaker 1: want him to die, but listen to me, they who
Speaker 1: said it, so you so what you're trying to tell
Speaker 1: me that people to say you need to rot in jail,
Speaker 1: you need to do this, Okay, So if you rot
Speaker 1: in jail, that means you, if you rot in jail,
Speaker 1: you're dying. They want you to die in jail. So
Speaker 1: I'm just beingion is an expression because they want your
Speaker 1: has to die in prison, That's what it means. So
Speaker 1: when when black women are so adamant about him dying
Speaker 1: in prison, but nobody has no type of anger or
Speaker 1: don't really care that a white man that black woman
Speaker 1: is gonna rot, why do you keep saying nobody cares?
Speaker 1: Is it possible that just the same way that the
Speaker 1: media is not necessarily exploiting him today being or yesterday
Speaker 1: being convicted, perhaps the media is also not giving life
Speaker 1: to all the women, black, white, or whomever, Asian, everybody
Speaker 1: who's out here, who's out there advocating for him to
Speaker 1: go to prison for him to convinced that maybe the
Speaker 1: media is not showing that, but but instead the messaging
Speaker 1: the way we hear it. You know how you just
Speaker 1: said this how it feels to black men, the way
Speaker 1: we hear it is, why won't white women Black women
Speaker 1: get just as upset with Harvey Weinstein as they do
Speaker 1: with Bill Cosby? And this is not the third and one.
Speaker 1: The man who raped me looks more like Bill Cosby
Speaker 1: and R. Kelly, Right, that's who was in my bed
Speaker 1: in my house, not me personally. But I'm saying this
Speaker 1: is some women's experience, right, they don't look like Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 1: So that's that's number one. But also, why isn't the conversation,
Speaker 1: Why won't the media show how outraged women are? Because
Speaker 1: when you say that, and in our own homes, in
Speaker 1: our own circumferences, we're not having to come Nobody's outrage.
Speaker 1: All we hear when it's a black man people in
Speaker 1: your ear all day about this ship on your own phone,
Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying is out about the media.
Speaker 1: It's in real life, in real lifetime. People in our
Speaker 1: community is not outraged about Harvey Weinstein and they don't
Speaker 1: give a funk, but they're outraged and want to see
Speaker 1: the black man rotten jail. Who does it? So, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say, Like we Kobe Bryant,
Speaker 1: who is dead. They're talking about rape allegations and now
Speaker 1: to get more fucking publicity than Harvey Weinstein. Who? So what?
Speaker 1: This is what I'm trying to tell you. So it
Speaker 1: gets more of a conversation. It's more people. But what
Speaker 1: it's not just the media, it's also the media is
Speaker 1: reporting with people seem to be attracted to. That's what
Speaker 1: the media. The media does that too. Listen to me.
Speaker 1: They do it. They do it because they know that
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay attention to it. And there is not enough.
Speaker 1: If there was a when there is a when black
Speaker 1: Twitter is going crazy about something, media is gonna reported
Speaker 1: that black Twitter is not reporting about. First of all,
Speaker 1: black twitter was going crazy about the Tatiana Jefferson and
Speaker 1: other cases of police brutality and things that happen to
Speaker 1: black people that never showed up. Want to see in
Speaker 1: it or anywhere else black people. Black Twitter was going
Speaker 1: crazy about Parchment Prison and I can tell you right
Speaker 1: now that most of these different networks probably showed it once.
Speaker 1: If that okay, it was? But no, But and so
Speaker 1: has Harvey Wine seen and the marches where they have
Speaker 1: been a rainbow of women out there, there's been on
Speaker 1: there one time, right, But there is the media. No.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying the media, as we all know, is engaged.
Speaker 1: Did you see the front of the courthouse when Bill
Speaker 1: Kazu is going to court man there was women out
Speaker 1: there for both sides. You think it was okay? So
Speaker 1: let me ask your question. Did you see images of
Speaker 1: the march that the women other women held of all
Speaker 1: races for Harvey wanting Okay, they were there? Though I
Speaker 1: saw it, it was on my timeline because it's the
Speaker 1: people I followed. Zakia not Zakia, Rikiya, No, Zakia on
Speaker 1: Sarry was there? Who was our sister Rikia Um? What's
Speaker 1: our girl? Rikia's last name? Rikia Maze? She was out there.
Speaker 1: So there were strong black women out there as well.
Speaker 1: But the media is not trying to show it, just
Speaker 1: like they're not going to give you every day Harvey
Speaker 1: Winstein was convicted. They also won't necessarily cover when people
Speaker 1: are out there standing up. So I think that we
Speaker 1: challenge us instead of challenging Now, okay, what I'm just
Speaker 1: asking so you what you're saying is that you can
Speaker 1: honestly say that you see the same outrage for black
Speaker 1: women when white rapists and predators of being you know,
Speaker 1: um held accountable. Do you see the same outrage just honestly.
Speaker 1: I just if you could tell me you're okay, so
Speaker 1: cool that that's that's the problem. So that's the problem.
Speaker 1: That's it. It ain't nothing doing whatever it is. It
Speaker 1: is a problem. It's a problem for black men. It's
Speaker 1: a problem for black men. It is you know, well whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I think we should keep
Speaker 1: the same energy. But I also think that some people
Speaker 1: are and they're not getting the type of attention that
Speaker 1: they deserve. So that's what I think. So this weekend
Speaker 1: we head back to someth some Alabama. It's such a
Speaker 1: you know, for people that don't go, they just don't
Speaker 1: know like what it is that they're missing. If you
Speaker 1: are black in America and your lineage comes specifically from
Speaker 1: like because you know, there a lot of people that's
Speaker 1: black Afroatina. Uh, you know, you have people who who
Speaker 1: identify as being black or a part of black culture
Speaker 1: who don't necessarily come from a certain our roots in
Speaker 1: a certain type of way. So if you um understand
Speaker 1: that story of like the South, your family members coming
Speaker 1: from the South, your big mama living in Alabama, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: To know that the birth of the civil rights movement
Speaker 1: was there as well, and that our own family members
Speaker 1: could have been a part of it is a real
Speaker 1: special kind of thing. And I'm sure people from other
Speaker 1: cultures have that too, things that are real special to
Speaker 1: them that the rest of the world may not understand.
Speaker 1: And I think Solma is one of those places and
Speaker 1: we should are to take their children in definitely need
Speaker 1: to go to Selma. Do the bridge crossing Edmund Pettis Bridge.
Speaker 1: It's an experienced families, you know, you need your children
Speaker 1: probably need to go across once. I mean, it ain't
Speaker 1: really a lot of children, like really young children out there.
Speaker 1: They have mostly teenagers, you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: don't really see a lot of young children. I think
Speaker 1: at some point during your child, your child's life, you
Speaker 1: probably should take them and give them the history lesson
Speaker 1: and as they cross and they read some of the
Speaker 1: things and some of the people who you who historically
Speaker 1: were there. They have some of them what they call
Speaker 1: them the Oh God, I forget and I can't remember
Speaker 1: their names, but they like the people. But she wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I don't think Fire Rose who's down in in some
Speaker 1: Alabama and her husband Hank. They keep it going there
Speaker 1: in the Civil Rights Museum. But there are people who
Speaker 1: cross the bridge. They were there, they were with they
Speaker 1: were there, they crossed the bridge. They let them cross first,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's a beautiful it's a beautiful thing, man,
Speaker 1: you know. So and then most of the the elected
Speaker 1: officials are there. Especially it's the presidential elections, so most
Speaker 1: of the elected officials will probably be there, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know it's gonna be. It's gonna be. But
Speaker 1: it's they treat the town they do and and and
Speaker 1: that's one thing we need to talk about. They have
Speaker 1: to start the town for it to be such a
Speaker 1: historical reference in our history. It's very poor, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's sad that they don't pour into it.
Speaker 1: A lot of these politicians and rich people coming in.
Speaker 1: They cross this bridge and they go and they buy
Speaker 1: some food, and they buy flag or something but they
Speaker 1: don't pour into the community to make sure that that
Speaker 1: community is still strong and standard. So I think that's
Speaker 1: that's very like desolate and just you know when I
Speaker 1: when I when I go to Selma, I always have
Speaker 1: this sense of pride and deep sadness because even though
Speaker 1: the community is wonderful, they will tell you themselves that
Speaker 1: it's a struggle the town. They hardly have stores. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would think, since this is a historic site, that
Speaker 1: everything would be there, not gentrified, but bustling successful, and instead,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a tough it's tough
Speaker 1: there in some shout out to sim see y'all this weekend,
Speaker 1: we'll be there. So you don't get it. I don't
Speaker 1: get it all of what we decis. I don't get
Speaker 1: nothing to happen today. But that's a whole another topic.
Speaker 1: I just don't get a lot of stuff, but today's
Speaker 1: topic of I don't get it. Um the young boy
Speaker 1: pop Smoke m He was gunned down in in Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills and Beverly Hills, you know, Beverly Hills home that
Speaker 1: he was staying in. Um. First they said it was
Speaker 1: a robbery. Some people said that he accidentally gave out
Speaker 1: his UM address on Instagram in the picture. Then they
Speaker 1: said that it was a hit, that somebody had gave
Speaker 1: his address to somebody for some reason, that it was
Speaker 1: a playing hit. Um. I just don't get why we
Speaker 1: just keep killing our young black boys, man, Like, I
Speaker 1: really don't, and I want to and I want to
Speaker 1: have this conversation with us. You know, these are young artists,
Speaker 1: these are young people coming from our communities. And why
Speaker 1: don't we value our own lives? Why? Why are we
Speaker 1: taking our own lives? You know? We protest so much
Speaker 1: when our lives are being taken by the police, you know,
Speaker 1: but injustice, you know. And I just really don't get
Speaker 1: why we don't value ourselves. Why we don't see ourselves
Speaker 1: as the kings that we are. Why aren't we fighting
Speaker 1: to live? Why we targeting each other? Why are we
Speaker 1: taking out people like why are we taking up people
Speaker 1: who are are coming up in our community? Why aren't
Speaker 1: we celebrating each other? Why aren't we uplifting each other?
Speaker 1: Understand the communities we come from. Why? But the reality
Speaker 1: is when one of us makes it, we all should
Speaker 1: see it as we make it. You know, I understand
Speaker 1: that we've been taught to hate each other, Understand that
Speaker 1: we've been taught to envy each other, Understand that we're
Speaker 1: dealing with poverty, Understand that we come from marginalized communities,
Speaker 1: and understand these things. But I just will never understand
Speaker 1: why do we see some level of comfort or accomplishment
Speaker 1: and taking our own brothers lives, you know. And I
Speaker 1: just don't get it. And I hope somebody can try
Speaker 1: to explain it to me one day, but until then,
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. M hm. Well, I do
Speaker 1: think people are engaged in trying to curb violence and
Speaker 1: bring more healing and peace to our communities. And you
Speaker 1: say don't get it, but I think you do get it.
Speaker 1: I think you know exactly what it is about. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know our history here, the violence that was done
Speaker 1: to us, we perpetuated, and we really haven't healed as
Speaker 1: a community. We have so many things that we don't
Speaker 1: agree on and um and and so many of our
Speaker 1: people are struggling just to get by every day that
Speaker 1: when we do see someone make it out, it almost
Speaker 1: feels like no one else will ever have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: So why you would not need And I think that
Speaker 1: the work that we have to do is gonna start
Speaker 1: very very young, with our very very small babies, before
Speaker 1: they can even read. They're gonna need to have instilled
Speaker 1: in them certain types of principles and qualities that it's
Speaker 1: not about just taking them out of the community, because
Speaker 1: I think that's what some parents feel like if I
Speaker 1: move him or her, then I don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about them being a certain way. But really, even within
Speaker 1: our communities, we need to be able to teach our
Speaker 1: children about love and respect and compassion and pride, uh
Speaker 1: and honoring and uplifting each other. You know, I think
Speaker 1: if you as a child, watch your parents behave the
Speaker 1: same way they don't. They always on the telephone talking
Speaker 1: about how who they hate, excuse me, how they don't
Speaker 1: like someone so, and you know, tearing each other down.
Speaker 1: Then that's what you're going to also be. But even
Speaker 1: that parents, I don't believe it is doing it just
Speaker 1: because they're ignorant. It's a pain that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are suffering with, and I think, you know, as
Speaker 1: we work every day, we have to get down to
Speaker 1: the root cause of that pain and then figure out
Speaker 1: how we reverse and retrain and relearn some of the
Speaker 1: things that we um feel and do. Yeah, But for me,
Speaker 1: it's just looking at Pop Smoke, looking at Nipsey Hustle,
Speaker 1: looking at young Snoop, and just seeing how we constantly
Speaker 1: see this cycle of us trying to evolve, us, trying
Speaker 1: to get out, us, trying to do better for ourselves,
Speaker 1: and us constantly killing us, you know, And as much
Speaker 1: as I can see and hear certain things and we
Speaker 1: know the trauma exists, I just I just really just
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. And there we have it,
Speaker 1: And thank you for tuning into another episode of Street
Speaker 1: Politicians where we fight and we discussed, and we've come
Speaker 1: up with real ideas and real opinions, and we we
Speaker 1: want anything that you have to talk about, any ideas
Speaker 1: you have, any subjects that y'all want us to talk about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some some real guests up here soon.
Speaker 1: But right now, yeah, I feel like I'm the guest
Speaker 1: because I'm always getting tore down. You are here trying
Speaker 1: to kill men, not trying to kill you. We were
Speaker 1: having a very shary dialogue and you had your opinion,
Speaker 1: so I can't have mine. No, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: not opinion because you cut me off in the middle
Speaker 1: of my opinion. We'll get we'll get back to that.
Speaker 1: I cut you off. You know you cut me off too,
Speaker 1: And the taiple just wash the tail. Listen to me.
Speaker 1: We may not always be right, and we damn shouldn't
Speaker 1: always agree, and we cut each other off. We're always
Speaker 1: going to be all things. That's how we owned it.