1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Maarn and I split up, and there was a lot 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: of personal stuff I just had to handle and I 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: had to get like, make sure my feet were underneath me, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: and whatever life looked like going forward was like being 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: a dad. First priority still will always be the first priority. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: Ryan heard. 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: I don't often say this, but he put out a 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: new record that even I like and I listened to. 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: I agree. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: There's just so much music. It's hard to love everything. 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: It's hard to actually give all the music we talk 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: about the proper attention it needs. But if you listen 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 3: to a couple songs and you're like, dang, like I'm 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: into it, that's what happened here. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: It's one of the few albums this year I listened 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: to all the way through. 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. It is like, I'll start with the 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: music before I talk about how good. 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: A guy is. 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: But Ryan's second album, called Midwest Rock and Roll, came 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: out in late March. It really is great. And also, 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: aside from being an artist that has songs and has 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: had number ones, he wrote Friday Night Heartbreaker, John Party, 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: which is doing great now. 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Why Ain't Gonna be so heartless? 26 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: Morgan walland Diplo circles around This Town, Meren Morris, What 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: My World Spins Around, Jordan Davis, Waves, Luke Bryan, Sunrise, Sunburn, Sunset, 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: Luke Bryan, Last Turn Home, Tim McGraw, Lonely Tonight, Blake Shelton, 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: Ashley Monroe. He's got a lot of success as a songwriter. 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: He could just do that if he wanted to. But 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: the album's great. Check it out. He's also a friend 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: of mine. I like it when I can sit with 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: friends and ask them things I wouldn't ask them any 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: other time, because it's not like if we play golf. 35 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, man, creatively is this yeah? So I 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: do enjoy this part of it. Check it out here. 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: He is at Ryan Heard on Instagram. Love the Guy, 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: Love the Album. Ryan Heard here with Ryan heard Nice Cardigan. 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: I laughed because you text me yesterday and you were like, 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about Cardigans. 41 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: I like your Cardigan too, brother. Thanks. 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: I that's all I've been wearing five months in a row, 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: every day to work five months. 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: It's it is, I think, the most important article of 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: clothing that you can own. 46 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: And for me, it's a standard. I have a lot 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: of them. You can wear them in the spring, you 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: can wear them in the fall, you can wear them 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: in the winter. 50 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: Summer gets lo IFFI mornings instead of like a. 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: I keep this freezing cold though, So I'm all good 52 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: to go. But I feel like I always look put together. 53 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: It's kind of like Weezer meets Grandma. It's kind of 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: my style. 55 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: Is what I'd say the greatest television character of all time, 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: the dude in The Big Lebowski has his own signature cardigan. 57 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: That's what I aspire to. What yours looks like Native American. 58 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 2: This is my pink. This is my favorite. 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: I got this on sale from Polo and I've kept 60 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: it for about eight years. 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: It's got holes in it. 62 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, yours is like cool Ralph Flow. Our mind's like 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: Powerpuff Powerpuff. 64 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Girls and no, it's that's the kind of thing that 65 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I could never pull that off, 66 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you can. 67 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 2: You just got to own it. 68 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that my wife had the talk 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: with me. Every once in a while, my wife has 70 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: to have the talk have a talk with me. I'm 71 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: like a child at times. And I was asking her. 72 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 3: I was wearing something to something and I was like, yeah, 73 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: can I. 74 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: Pull us off. Oh, I know what it was. Give 75 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: you a little backstory. 76 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: It took me a second to get there because obviously 77 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: I wasn't prepared to talk about this. But I was 78 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: at the NFL Honors Awards show and I was presenting 79 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: award on Fox. 80 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: It's pretty cool because I work in sports now. 81 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: It's pretty cool, pretty awesome, And so NFL was like, hey, 82 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: why don't you present the award to George Kittle? And 83 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: it was me and Kyle us Check and I was like, 84 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: that's that's nice. 85 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: That sounds cool. 86 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I lives right down the road, and so I 87 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: didn't want to wear a tie, but I just wanted 88 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: to wear a suit because I wanted to respect it. 89 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: But I just didn't want to look like an accountant. Yes, 90 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: and it was all NFL different world, like our world. 91 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: I felt like I could show up in a vest 92 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: with no shirt and some short that said country rocks 93 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: and I'd still feel comfortable because I know our environment, 94 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: I know the people, and I just know it. Yes, 95 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: but that I don't it's not my people. So I 96 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: just wanted to make sure that they felt it was respected. 97 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't wear a tie, and I said I would 98 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: like to wear something a little extra. She's like, wear 99 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: this gold chain and or she bought me a gold chain. 100 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I don't know. And I literally 101 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: brought you up because the one time I tried to 102 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: wear a chain was a couple of years ago. Because 103 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: it's like, I'm gonna be like Ryan, wear a chain 104 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: and I couldn't pull it off. I couldn't pull off 105 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: like the long chain. But she was like, don't if 106 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: you don't wear a tie, just wear like a chain. 107 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: Maybe you can see a little bit in the back 108 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: of your neck. And I was like, I don't know 109 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: if I could pull it off. And she was like, 110 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: honest to God, and you can pull off whatever you 111 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 3: want as long as you want. 112 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: As long as you just wear it with confidence and 113 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: you feel comfortable. 114 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: She was like, you can pull off anything you want. 115 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: Like your shoes don't even have backs on them today, 116 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: they're called mules. 117 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, you're crushing it. You walked in and 118 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, those are dope shoes. 119 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: And I walked in with these shoes going, oh, these 120 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: are like a fine crap. But I wear a chain. 121 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: Now you talk on her. I tuck it, but I 122 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: to remind myself. I go or whatever the freak I want. 123 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: And this is a little raised back with a diamond 124 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: on his eye. So it is cool because you got 125 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: it for me. 126 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, you can pull off whatever you want to 127 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: pull off. 128 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: I still tuck him most of the time because I 129 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: want you. 130 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 2: You don't have to. Don't have to. 131 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: So like today, I pulled these this little quartz out, 132 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: this little feather out. 133 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: I picture you had like an array of necklaces. 134 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: I got a little stand and I wear the same 135 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: ones all the time. I got a little little haze 136 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: one which is like a little h at the end 137 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: of when I try to wear that one. But he 138 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: might he might have grabbed it and put it somewhere 139 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: because he's already wearing it. It wandered off. Oh he just 140 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: gets into stuff. How's that going, dude. I love being 141 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: a dad. It is awesome. So I yeah, man, I 142 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: took him to school this morning. I'll pick him up 143 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: at three point thirty and we'll go play. 144 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: He likes tennis lessons. He's going to go do that. 145 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's cool. 146 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: I made a decision a couple of years ago to 147 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: to or less because I was just missing it. Man, 148 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: it was an A plus decision. I hear all these 149 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: people all the time, being like, Man, I wish I 150 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: would have been around more for my kid when he 151 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: was little, But I was out here riding this bus 152 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: trying to and for me, I'd do a lot of things, 153 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: so my income wasn't solely based on touring. So I 154 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: was like, what am I doing out here? Like I'm 155 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm missing the whole thing. So I went home and 156 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: then they ended up making this album slowly, and it's 157 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: one of the best decisions I ever made, was to 158 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: tour less, just because like this, you only get one 159 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: shot at your kid, and I really wanted to make 160 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: sure I was really, really involved in his life. And 161 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: I'm really thankful that I get to see him as 162 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: much as I do. Man, he's a He's a great, 163 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: great little five year old boy. 164 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: Five. Isn't that nuts? 165 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy? Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. It's five COVID. 166 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: We went in I remember we went in COVID. We 167 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: went in no masks or anything. We're just starting to 168 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: hear about stuff and I had to cancel some dates 169 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: and we came out everyone was wearing face shields. 170 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: So three days that's how fast it flipped. And he 171 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: was that's when we had him. So you had him 172 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: during face shield time. 173 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Right when it started, when the doctors all started wearing 174 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: face shields. It was nuts. So h it's sort of funny. 175 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: It's like he's a he's a COVID baby. 176 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: He every little like every year. 177 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so that was, however old he is 178 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: years ago when that all started. 179 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: It also seems weird that that was five years ago 180 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: the COVID happened exactly that COVID was ending, that. 181 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: It was starting or whatever it was. All my years 182 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: are mixed up because of it. I don't know it. 183 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: I agree, and everything is different. 184 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, what works for you now? And I'll ask 185 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: that question and give you some back on it. Some 186 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: artists are and TikTok crushes for me. Some are you know, 187 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: I'm just going to focus on streaming. Some are I 188 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: want to go radio first and hopefully streaming hits after. 189 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: And there's not a right way. And what's great is 190 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: there's not a right way. There is no ultimate gate gatekeeper. 191 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: What's difficult about it is there's not a right way. Yeah, 192 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: I mean, so, like, what do you find works for. 193 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: You hopefully something. Uh. 194 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: I remember when I first started doing this, it was 195 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: like if you could get your foot in the door 196 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: with a handful of people, then you could sort of 197 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff behind the scenes, like just 198 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: with personal relationships, and that seems to have not mattered 199 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: as much in the. 200 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Last two or three years. I mean it's true. 201 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: I mean when we were talking about like Spotify or radio, 202 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: it'd be like, hey, well, I know this PD and 203 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: I have a good relationship with them, and so I'll 204 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: text them and call them and and you know, when 205 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: I need an ad or need something, i'd you know, 206 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: know that like these guys will be here for me. 207 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: And same with like the DSPs. It was all Remember 208 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: John Marx ran Spotify, and you would just if you 209 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: were buddies with John Marx, you could get a lot 210 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: of stuff playlisted, and playlisting was a lot more important, 211 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, six seven years ago, I think as far 212 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: as just like grinding on streams. So for me now, 213 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think after the last 214 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: couple of years of my professional life and personal life, 215 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: like I think, I don't exactly know what works for me, 216 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: but I've switched up my business a little bit to 217 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: where like I own my masters now, which is very cool, just. 218 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: To buy them back or was it just a new deal? 219 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: You know, all the new stuff is mine, and so 220 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: it's on if you look at like my new album, 221 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: it has my little label on there, which is her 222 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: Jams Records and Tapes, and then it says you know 223 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: and licensed to Big. 224 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: Machine Music, so. 225 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: That you know, for me works because I love making 226 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: records and I love writing songs, and so for I 227 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: have had a really because I do both things. I 228 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: don't feel like this financial pressure to tour, which is 229 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: a really important thing for me, Like touring is it 230 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: causes a lot of anxiety and for me personally, I 231 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: don't like being away from my kid. 232 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: I don't. It just is not my It's not my thing. 233 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: I love the fans, I love the music part, but 234 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of creativity involved in that 235 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: part of the business. So what works for me as 236 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: being a songwriter for other artists, which I'm still incredibly 237 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: blessed to be doing, and then to make records and 238 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: then do like small tours off of those records, which 239 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what the best way to 240 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: do that going forward is But if I feel like 241 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: most people who do this get two out of three. 242 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: They get publishing, writing songs, They get masters or some 243 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: sort of version of making money off their recordings depending 244 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: on how they structure it with their label or if 245 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: they're massive and it doesn't matter. But and then the 246 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: third thing would be touring. And so most people, if 247 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: you think about their careers, get two of those three 248 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: for the most part, they get either they write their 249 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: own songs or they I don't know. So for me, 250 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I've kind of I've focused it in that direction. I 251 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: as far as like what works for me online and 252 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: stuff like, I don't know, that's a that's a hard 253 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: thing for I've just never been I've never been as 254 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: interested in it, if that makes sense. Like I'm a 255 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: really private person. I think I have like really close friends, 256 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: and I'm really close with my family, and I just 257 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: have never been super comfortable being super outward like public facing, 258 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: especially with like my personal life. That's always been really 259 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: awkward for me because it's just a little a little unnatural. 260 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: So the. 261 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: For me, what works is like just kind of focusing 262 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: on music stuff and letting my team kind of steer 263 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: me that's a really long answer. I don't know if 264 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: it's helpful or not. 265 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: I wonder too where you're going to go. 266 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: And you say anxiety touring, because mine, when I do tour, 267 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 3: if I'm doing comedy, my anxiety is not being gone 268 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 3: because I'm gone all the time. 269 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: It's that nobody's gonna buy tickets as a massive Well, 270 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: that's huge, crazy, crazy anxiety. Hate it. I hate every 271 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: on sale day. I hate it. 272 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh dude, I'm actually having like a physical reaction to 273 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: that when you said it. 274 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: I hate, I hate. 275 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: I wish I was like I remember Russell Dickerson and 276 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: I did the Thomas Rhet tour together with Kelsey and 277 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: Thomas and it was Thomas's first time headlining and Kelsey's 278 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: first time in arenas and me and Russell are first 279 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: time doing anything. We shared a bus and Russ is 280 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: such a live show guy. He's so great at it. 281 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, I'm just kind of like this. 282 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm not an introvert, but I'm very like I'm a writer. 283 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: I like making records. I like being like the brooding, 284 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: like mystery guy. So when I figured out like how 285 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: to make a great show, I really did well, but 286 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: it was like I had had to learn how to 287 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: do it all. But like someone like Russ Russell is 288 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: like he's when his on sale day comes here, he's 289 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: so pumped, but he's. 290 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: Pup about everything though, Like yeah, he's pumped that he 291 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: wakes up in the morning and it's like another day, yes, yes, yes. 292 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like I get that way about writing, 293 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: So I get that way about being in the studio 294 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: with making records, about sitting with artists making songs, like 295 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: that's to me, Like me, like, I'll sit I did 296 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: it yesterday. I wrote with Adrian Newton, h is it 297 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: Nunya's Adrian Junias Uh I wrote with him. He's a 298 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: fantastic artist, and I just an hour in was like, 299 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: this is my favorite part. So this is my favorite part. 300 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: They're like why because it's all creative, It's all creative. 301 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I still love that so much. I still 302 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: love making records and talking about him. It's just as 303 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: soon as that bus pulls up, I'm like, I don't. 304 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: Know on sel days because I'm I'm four hours away 305 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: from being irrelevant and washed. 306 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: Have you ever had to cancel a show? No, because 307 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: you didn't sell enough tickets? 308 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 3: No, no, And again this is a wife talk where 309 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: like I it physically bothers me, right, because let's say 310 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: they're want on sale today, I'm on Friday, and I've 311 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: got eighteen shows. 312 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: And I don't tour all the time. 313 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: So if I'm gonna do eighteen theaters we've picked out 314 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: where we think we're gonna do best, and like. 315 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: I feel sick. 316 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, why are you doing this to yourself? 317 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: And I'm like, because if these sell terribly, I'm gonna 318 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:20,359 Speaker 3: be embarrassed. 319 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: I go to the list. She goes, how many times 320 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: does it ever happen? 321 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: Because when you ask me that, I've never never, But 322 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: there's gonna be a first. 323 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: I've had two shows. 324 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: I've canceled shows, but they were for heyes, like he 325 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: was coming and he's gonna like he might come tomorrow. 326 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: So as in through like existently he might be born. 327 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: To So we need to I need to cancel the 328 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: next like this next little run because I know I 329 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: have to be home. 330 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: But I've come close twice to like we didn't sell. 331 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Enough ticket, Like we're gonna we are going to lose 332 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: our ass today. We should not be playing this show, 333 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: but there's this many people who actually did buy tickets. 334 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna go play the show. It's not gonna be fun. 335 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Like you apologize to your band, like this is what 336 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: you signed up for, but we gotta go. But yeah, 337 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: that's a real thing, and I don't like that feeling. 338 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: But I am going to tour again, but I want 339 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: to do tours around records. Like I'm not going to 340 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: tour this summer, but I'm going to go pretty soon 341 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: here because I want to tour Midwest Rock and Roll. 342 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: I want to tour the next album that we have coming, 343 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: which is like written and planned and all that stuff. 344 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: So you're already talking about the next one. Are you 345 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: having toured this one? Well? 346 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: I was supposed to put out Midwest Rock and Roll 347 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: in March of twenty four. 348 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: What came out March of twenty five was that the 349 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: reason that you now own it was that was part 350 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: of that. 351 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: No, I mean we I just Marin and I split up, 352 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of just personal stuff I 353 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: just had to handle and I had to get like 354 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: make sure my feet were underneath me and make sure 355 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: that I could whatever life looked like going forward was 356 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: like being a dad. First priority still will always be 357 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: the first priority, right Did. 358 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: You think that would be the first priority there before 359 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: you had him. 360 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: Or was that a realization once? Yeah? 361 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think to me, I love like 362 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: a normal like like I'm a very normal life guy. 363 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: Like you're also tight with your family here too. I 364 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: am very tight with my family here. We have like 365 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: they all live here. 366 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I mean I took that. I don't 367 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: think that's a question. 368 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean, even for either one of us, it's always 369 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Hayes comes first, So that's like take that off the 370 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: But so for me, it took a second. I want 371 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: and I wanted it to come out exactly the way 372 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: that I had written it and recorded it. I didn't 373 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: want to like change anything. I didn't want to come 374 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: out with like something or what people expected me to 375 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: come out with. And I just wanted to put out 376 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: the record I wrote. I felt like I deserved that. 377 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: I felt like it was something that was important. 378 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: Wait, why do you alway expect you to come out 379 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: with No? No, no, I'm gonna ask me, asked a question, 380 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: what did you expect that people expected you to come 381 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: out with? 382 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Everybody asked me if I was writing a breakup record. 383 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: That's interesting. I never I never thought that. I never 384 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: thought that was coming. 385 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: I think if you, if you know me, like personally, 386 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: you would know that, like that's not really mine thing. 387 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: But I know that, like like the industry especially was 388 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: like waiting for that, and I'm like, I. 389 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: Will never give you that also though, and I could 390 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: be wrong here, when it's the mom of your kid, 391 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 3: do you really want to do a breakup record? No, 392 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: because that's like the even if it's not your wife anymore, 393 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: that's the mom or your kid, and that's all going 394 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: to kind of be she's public as well. 395 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it if we didn't have a kid, 396 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: to be honest. 397 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: Maybe I would if we didn't have a kid if 398 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 3: it's me, and maybe like screw you if it was bad. 399 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: But if you have a kid, that just that the 400 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: life is just matured. 401 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: I feel like that's like taking a shot that you 402 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: would kind of want back when once your kid got 403 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: old and you're like, yo, dad, you did a whole 404 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: record about. 405 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: This our kid. I mean our kid. 406 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: We live two miles apart, like he it's very fluid. 407 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: We get along fine, I mean we get along great. Actually, 408 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: I would I'm really proud of all three of us 409 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: for the way. 410 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: That we've handled it. 411 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: And this is more than I've ever talked about it, 412 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: So maybe I should stop. But it's not even that 413 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: like I have anything to say. I just it's our thing, 414 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: it's our life, and yeah, I'm not gonna I don't 415 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: care enough about my career or about my. 416 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, just because you can, should you. 417 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 418 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 419 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: That's also interesting how you said that you don't have 420 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: anything to say, and I'm sure you have a lot 421 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: of thoughts and personal things, but you don't have enough 422 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: to say. Why would you make a record about something 423 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: you don't want to say anyway, because that's quite the 424 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: investment about anything. 425 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be about a breakoup. It can be. 426 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: The hard part, too, is pitching songs where you're like, 427 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: this is very clearly a breakup song, and if I 428 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: put it out myself, it would kick up so much stuff. 429 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: You're like, that's not what I'm meant. 430 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: I was just writing because that's my job, and I 431 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: have people a couple of songs out there that are 432 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: like this is a hammer. 433 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: You should just do it yourself. And I'm like, do 434 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: you understand like that why? I like, that's a terrible idea, 435 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what I'd. 436 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: Like to say about about It's like, I'm not kicking 437 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: it up, man, And I don't know. 438 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: I also don't feel like that. 439 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: You also could and create buzz free buzz, and you've 440 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: chosen not to, Like there's a lot of free promotion 441 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: that you would get out of it by kicking it up, 442 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 3: And I think that says something about your character that 443 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 3: you've chosen but not to. 444 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: Well that's there, but there isn't really, I mean, there isn't. 445 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 3: What I mean there's you're right because because you don't 446 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: think that would be on every blog and every if 447 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: it's that's all. 448 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: That's the stuff I hate. That's my point exactly. 449 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: But you could have weaponized that for your own career 450 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: aside from you wanted to. 451 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: But I don't. You're right, I guess, But then it 452 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: would have it would have been me lying. I think 453 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: that's that hadn't stop people before, I know, it would have 454 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: been me being like I don't know, man. I love Marion. 455 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: We talk every day, like we have a child together, 456 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: we're raising them together. It's not a trade off situation. 457 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: It's a it's a we're doing it together. And yeah, 458 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: some stuff happened that like it wasn't fun, it wasn't 459 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: my choice, but it's also like this is part of it. 460 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: And life is not linear, life is not perfect. You 461 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: kind of roll with it, and you like the things 462 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: that there are to forgive, you forget, Like then you 463 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: just do it. You wake up every day and you 464 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: do it until you feel better, and then the things 465 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: that you that are your fault you apologize for and 466 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: then you try to put it back. I mean, that's 467 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: what I've had to do. And this is the most 468 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: I've ever talked about this. 469 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: And you can stop any time, but you also know 470 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: you can keep going and if you're gonna talk to 471 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: somebody about. 472 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: It, I know. I'm always like, so it can be me. 473 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: Then you can always text me and be like, hey, 474 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: cut that out. Like there's you know, there's like eight avenues. 475 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: Someone tell me when I step in it. 476 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: But I just I'm always nervous about that because like 477 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want that to be the public 478 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: perception of us, and I don't want that to be, 479 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: but mostly I don't want that in my own life, 480 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to hate anybody that I especially 481 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: because I mean, we still do very much care for 482 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: each other, and I don't I want her to have hits. 483 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: I want to have a couple more myself too, and 484 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: I want everybody to be happy and okay, and we 485 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: are so deep breath. The most important thing is that 486 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: five year old boy, and he is thriving. He's an 487 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: incredible kid. He has some weird questions here and there, 488 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: but he also has some really funny ones. 489 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: So whatever, people do it right? 490 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: What about not showing as I have my friend Andy Roddick, 491 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: who's famous, his wife Brooklyn famous, They've chosen not to 492 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: put their kids faces on the internet, so they smiley 493 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: faces over what was that conversation? 494 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: When did you just is. 495 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: Not even a conversation. Really, we just when he was 496 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: when we found out we were pregnant, just like we're 497 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: not doing that. 498 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 2: I just I mean there's two reasons. I mean, like 499 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: I wish I could that to my face at this 500 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: point too, which could no kid? 501 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh God, I love we go back to like when 502 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: it was just radio, and like I love talking on 503 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: the radio. 504 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: Nobody ever lets me do it anymore. 505 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: And it's like I used to like, you have to go, 506 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: you have to go play the guitar poll and but 507 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: I liked going in studio and being like, hey, we 508 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: have a half an hour with Ryan and he's going 509 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: to play us something and he's going to talk about 510 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: I don't get to do that anymore. 511 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: You do like doing that? 512 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 3: I love it. So here's my guilt. I think everybody 513 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: hates coming in all the time. No, I'm just going 514 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 3: to tell you, generally speaking, I feel like every guest 515 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 3: that ever comes in with a guitar, they hate doing it. 516 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: They don't want to be there, and I'm nothing but 517 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: a bothersome part of their day that is a means 518 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: to something else. 519 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: You have given these people whose entire identity is being 520 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: a public facing artist a microphone. 521 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: They're thrilled. I am thrilled right now. They're rational. 522 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: I love talking about myself. Yes, the logical part of 523 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 3: me gets it. I just feel like anybody doing anything. 524 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: And there's people listening. 525 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 3: I hear you come on. It does not make sense, 526 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 3: But I do feel that it's a burden and nobody 527 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: wants to do it. With me specifically. 528 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a I mean, that's I understand that because 529 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: I feel like every time I I don't know, I 530 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: feel like every single song you put out is the 531 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: last one you'll ever do just because everyone's gonna hate it. 532 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: So uh, oh that's my that's the same sell anxiety. Yeah, 533 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: you just did my on sell anxiety, where you're like, 534 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: everyone's gonna hate this, it's this is the last one. 535 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: Well, when you got it, you know it. But sometimes 536 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: you take a big swing and you're like, uh, every 537 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: time I've like pounded the table for something that I 538 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: really believed in musically, it's not done. 539 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Don't you feel though? 540 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: It's probably because it's a bit extra in your creative mind, 541 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 3: like you're pushing yourself. And at times I found when 542 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 3: I try to push myself to do things that feel 543 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: a bit extra new, even new for the environment, never 544 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: really received that well because it kind of doesn't fit 545 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 3: down the middle, and most things have to be kind 546 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: of down the middle for most people to understand and 547 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: like them. 548 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: I can, Yes, I can think of two times where 549 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: I have been like this is it, And one was 550 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: a song called Her Name was Summer, And I still 551 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: think it's an amazing song. 552 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: I thought it was a hit. Why wasn't it a hit? 553 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that song because nobody liked it very much. 554 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: Well that's a good reason that it wasn't a hit. 555 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: What about it, though, like I just did Sonically. 556 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: I don't know because it's not it's not a science. 557 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: It's an art. 558 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: But it also could have been. 559 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: It also could have been the business part if you 560 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: didn't have committed promotion. 561 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. 562 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: It's about getting everybody on the s. So I was 563 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: like telling Janet, my manager at who I was like, 564 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: this is it, this is it, and she's like, I 565 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: love it. 566 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: I love it. And then it's like telling the label 567 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: like I love this. I love this. Do you guys 568 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: love it? 569 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: And they're like, yo, yeah, it's a cool song, and 570 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: like why don't you love it as much as me? 571 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: We're doing it, we're doing it. I know this is right. 572 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 2: And then it comes out here like you guys were right. 573 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: But then one other time though I was right, and 574 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: I had I said every other Memory is a hit song, 575 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: and it's a hit song. 576 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: It's a hit song. It's a hit song. It sounds great. 577 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: People like I get a reaction out of it in 578 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: the record company send it to radio, we got like 579 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: seventeen ads out of the gate, which is automatic, Like no, 580 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: that's like you know right away, like that's not going 581 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: to happen. 582 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: And I was really disappointed because I knew. 583 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I know this can work, and I 584 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I got a push right, and that 585 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: song just went gold, which is crazy. So sometimes you 586 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: pound the table and you are totally wrong, and sometimes 587 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: you pound the table you're like, yeah, that still went 588 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: gold even though it just didn't work at radio, for 589 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: whether it was the stations that didn't think it fit 590 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: or it was didn't really have a lot of belief 591 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: from the record side, Like I have a great relationship 592 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: with everybody at Sony. I have had massive successes and 593 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: also failures with that label, and I'm fine to have 594 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: failures with anybody Like that doesn't scare me. Like the 595 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: I like failing and succeeding with people. I don't want 596 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: you to think that. Like my attorney's a good example. 597 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: I have gone through so many little battles with my 598 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: attorney and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. But 599 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: I like the fact that, like the guy that I've 600 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: won with, have also lost with because he knows where 601 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: the bodies are buried and he's like he gets me. 602 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: And you don't win everything, and if you just move 603 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: on from people immediately, then you're just not going to 604 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: have like a solid foundation or team. Like there's you 605 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: got to realize that there's winning and losing and everything. 606 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: And so anyway, my point is, like I had a 607 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: great relationship with Sony. We had three gold records as 608 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: an artist, and it's it's it's it's awesome, like and 609 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: sometimes you're really smart and you make them look really smart. 610 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: And sometimes you think you're really smart and they try 611 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: to make you look smart, but you just doesn't. It 612 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: doesn't work. So it's just music. It's it's not science. 613 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: It's an art and it's it's it's fun. That's that's 614 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: like part of the game is figuring out like what 615 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: works and what doesn't and what's great and what's but 616 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: it's all about people too, Like I can't tell you 617 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: why more than a Feeling is a hit song, except 618 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: for every time I listen to it, I'm like, this 619 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: is awesome, right, Like that's the one of the best 620 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: rock and roll songs of all time, and. 621 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: You mean the original? Yeah, more than I feel that Guyah, 622 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: I mean you were like, I haven't heard your You're 623 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: more than you. 624 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: That's not a math But it's not a math problem, right, 625 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: it's a It just hits you right in the chest. 626 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: And those guys, I swear as soon as I wrote 627 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: that new they had something cool. So I don't know, 628 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: it's just this is music. This is the part I 629 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: like talking about. Why is it called Midwest rock and roll? 630 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: I just it is what it is. I loved I 631 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: wrote that title. You know how this works. We write 632 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: titles in our phones all the time. I wish we still. 633 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: I used to write on legal pads, but I wrote 634 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: that title. 635 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 2: In my phone. 636 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: I was like, that's a song, and it's probably the 637 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: name of the album. And I have to figure out 638 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: how to write the album. But I first have to 639 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: figure out how to write the song. And I grew 640 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: up in Michigan. I was born in Chicago, grew up 641 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: in West Michigan. Have made it a big part of 642 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: my artist identity as being from that part of the world, 643 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: just because I feel like, you know, it's personal and 644 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: it's injecting a lot of who I am personally into 645 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: my music. It's how you get people to connect is 646 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: whether or not they're from there. It's putting your true 647 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: self into your art. But it's a coming of age album. 648 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: It really is. I'm not coming of age anymore. I'm 649 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: thirty eight. 650 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: Years old, but I wrote about what it was like 651 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: to leave that place. I still go back all the time. 652 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: I have tons of friends up there still, I have 653 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: spent a lot of the summer up there. But I 654 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: just wanted to make an album that felt like we 655 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: were sixteen years old in my basement making our first 656 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: music together. It sounds like a band, it sounds like 657 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just felt like this is the 658 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: most Ryan record that I can make right now. And 659 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: I also have this thing where I was like, kind 660 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: of I got a little homesick weirdly when I started 661 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: writing this, and I was like, man, could I have 662 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: been happy if I just stayed home and just made 663 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: a life where I grew up? And the answer is like, yeah, man, 664 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: you could have. You would have always had that thing 665 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: you thought about though, where if you didn't go, you 666 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: didn't try to go experience all this amazing stuff I've 667 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: gotten to experience. I've been to every award show. I've 668 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: been nominated for most of them. At this point, I've 669 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: gotten to tour everywhere. I've had every experience truly. I mean, 670 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: I can do a lot more of it, But I 671 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: have too vinyl at my house with my face on them. 672 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: That's crazy to me. But you always think, like, man, 673 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: what if I stayed back and the it's's like, yeah, man, 674 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: you could have been really happy, but you also would 675 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: have always thought about it. So I wanted to write 676 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: kind of like what it meant to, like explore those 677 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: roots a little, and I wanted it to be sonically heavier. 678 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: Hardy put out Mockingbird and the Crow and it was 679 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: so heavy it made me go, Okay, mine's just like 680 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: this like little emo country record. 681 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: It's gonna be fine. 682 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna fit in perfectly, and it has it's felt, 683 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: it sounds, it sounds. I don't know, it's still a 684 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: country lyric. I just it was the record I wanted 685 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: to make. It was the one that I wanted to 686 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: go slowly. We don't go slow in Nashville. It's like 687 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: once the single cycle's over, you just go on to 688 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: the next single. There's never like a break, no one 689 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: ever takes a deep breath and it's like, all right, 690 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: what's next. It's because you're always touring, because you got 691 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: a huge operation that you have to keep paying for. 692 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: So I wanted when twenty three, when I made the record, 693 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: I wanted it to go slow. I wanted to write 694 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: it slow and record it slow and then put it out. 695 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: It was going to be March of twenty four. And 696 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of how we made it. I'm really 697 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: proud of what the writing is on it. I just 698 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: think we made a really cool Ryan album, and I'm 699 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: really proud of it. 700 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: I think when you mentioned Hardy's record, because listening to 701 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: your record, the guitar tones don't always feel what would 702 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: be electric guitar tone country, if that makes sense, Yes, 703 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: But I think you're right. When Hardy comes out with that, 704 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: it kind of normalizes anything that wasn't normal six months 705 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: prior to where your record does sound like a rock 706 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: country lyric album. That's interesting you say it like that 707 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: and think about it like that. But because Hardy did 708 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: what he did, and Hardy also just was like screw it, 709 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be a freaking part of it is 710 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: just rock, like no doubt this is alternative rock, whatever 711 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: you want to call it. It's hard, but yeah, I 712 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: think there's a bit more acceptance of anything in a 713 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: lane that has been created as somebody else kind of 714 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: kicked the door open with doing it differently. 715 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I texted him, I was like, hey, man, 716 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you putting that out because you're gonna I'm 717 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: gonna slide right in there without without anybody Batan and 718 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: I And it's a cool time to make music. 719 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: People. 720 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: It's so weird because we need to talk about genre, 721 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: and I feel like we've almost re like it's almost 722 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: become important again when we talk about genre. Like I 723 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: feel like five years, like right before COVID, it was 724 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: like everybody listened to everything, and now I feel like 725 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: because of where country music has sort of gone like behind, 726 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: like the Zach Bryan movement in the industry, they called 727 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: it country adjacent for a second, and I'm like, I 728 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that too out loud, but it I felt 729 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: like with that wave of like very like almost like 730 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: almost a live band performance on these records where it's 731 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: it's not very like nobody likes tune, nobody likes they 732 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: don't want to be edited too much. 733 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: They wanted to sound like a band playing. There's a 734 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: slickness that's gone, like purposefully gone. 735 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: I feel like that has sort of made genre matter 736 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more. Like the Fences kind of came 737 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: back up a little bit. And I remember we were 738 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: talking to it, like somebody at one of the DSPs 739 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, you kind of have to pick 740 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: if it's a rock record or a country record. And 741 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: I was like, five years ago, nobody would have said 742 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: that to me, because it was like genre was sort 743 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: of like not not mattering as much anymore. 744 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: It seems like it's back a touch. 745 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: And maybe I'm totally wrong, and maybe my head's in 746 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: a hole somewhere like underground, but I probably both. 747 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: I think you write a little bit and your heads 748 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: in the hole a little bit too. Yeah, but it 749 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: should be because you're creator, right. I'm like, I guess, so 750 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: if your head's above, I don't. 751 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't like I don't have like my finger in 752 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: the in the wind, like seeing which way the wind's blowing, 753 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: that's for sure. 754 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: But I do. I do love. I love. 755 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: I feel like even when like Broke Country came in, 756 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: like that sort of took away rock radio for a second. 757 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong about that? Maybe I'm wrong, 758 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: But like that was when rock radio was kind. 759 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 2: Of what is that like? Twenty ten? Yeah, yes, I 760 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: was twenty eleven. 761 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: I was still so hard on the CHR pop hip 762 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 3: hop side at that point. I was still living in 763 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 3: that world that my memory. I was out a country 764 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: for like fifteen years, and that was when I was 765 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 3: not here. Yeah, so I was not here for the 766 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: creation of Broken. When did you get here thirteen thirteen? 767 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 3: It was really starting to peak when I got here, Yes, so, 768 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: but I missed that the birth of bro country. 769 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think my point is, like I feel like 770 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: country and rock and roll have always sort of had 771 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: this vandia in the like in the middle has always 772 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: been overlap. 773 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: And I just took it a little bit further on 774 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: the rock side than sometimes and actually called it that. 775 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: Uh. I don't feel like I stepped out of country 776 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: music to do it. 777 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: I actually really that's the way that I write lyrics. 778 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: I write them like formatted like that, Like we have 779 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: structure too, we have rhymes, and we have meter and 780 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: it's all really important and it has to make like 781 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: have a some sort of. 782 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: Plot. There has to be there has to be some 783 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 2: semblance of story in the lyrics. 784 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 3: So I feel what you were saying is interesting about genre, 785 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 3: and I don't know that I feel exactly the same. 786 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 3: I think genre is now important. Again, I agree with 787 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 3: you fully, but I think each song is like a parcel. 788 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 3: I think you can have I think songs are specifically 789 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: genre now because you can put out that record like, 790 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 3: let mean, look at Harty's by the way, some of 791 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 3: those songs on the same. 792 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: Record, Yeah went to rock radio, Yeah. 793 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 3: Rock radio, rock playlist, and some went to country. 794 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: Ye. So but I think it was specific. 795 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 3: Each song was specific, and so I do agree with 796 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: you where genre is now becoming. 797 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: He also split them in two. 798 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: He did so, he said, these are the rock songs, 799 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: same project, though, so the country song You're right, same project. 800 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 3: But I think like even I mean, you can look 801 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: at other artists some of like morgan stuff, some of 802 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 3: the stuff his country is he is. The country music 803 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 3: community that doesn't love Morgan's probably not going to jump 804 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 3: on that. 805 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: I think, like pop jumped on some of it. I 806 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 2: think that it's parcel more than it is packaged. 807 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: Now, the biggest country song in the world this second 808 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: that we're recording. This is Bailey Zimmerman and Big X 809 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: the plug, which is insane. Like that is to your 810 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: point where you like it don't matter that much. 811 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: It does, but it doesn't. Right, it's the same, it's 812 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 2: the same. 813 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: But I think they everything needs to be defined again 814 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: or it's cool to define again, because it's cool to 815 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: say what you rep. Yes, but I don't think you 816 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,479 Speaker 3: have to rep all in the same rep the same team. 817 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 3: Like it's like you you're part of Ohio State fan, 818 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 3: part Michigan fan. 819 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: Oh god, you can't do that. It was a it 820 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: was a hell of a transition. But that just hurt. 821 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 2: Oh god. Yeah. Yeah yeah, Well I mean you got one. 822 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't hurt that much. You got one. 823 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: Can row Yeah you're good. Yeah, Yeah, that was fun. 824 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: That was my favorite Michigan game I think ever. 825 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 3: I would okay the game specifically, that was awesome. I 826 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 3: love the flag in on the fights. And I'm not 827 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: a big Ohio State guy. I like Michigan more than 828 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: I like Ohio State. But you won one the year before. Yeah, 829 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 3: so you can't be that mad, especially when you also 830 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 3: win one heads up the year they win theirs didn't care. 831 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 2: I mean it was amazing, Like, hey man, go when 832 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 2: you're natty, that's great. Yeah, like we just got one 833 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 2: and we just beat you the year you want. 834 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: It and they beat Bama. Oh my god, it was 835 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: a great year. I just kept all year. There were 836 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: games I didn't even watch. I was like, this team's 837 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: not very good, but last year was fun. So I 838 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: just kept saying last year was fun all year long, 839 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: and then they ended up finishing great. 840 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 2: It was so fun. They actually bounced have you been 841 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 2: to the Big House? No, why would I go? It's awesome? 842 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 2: Why would I go? I'm old, I have no interest 843 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: in that. Go early. I'll be at Arkansas games. That's 844 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 2: what that was. That's basically the answer. 845 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would go if like work was like, 846 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 3: you know Castle, who I do the NFL show with, Like, 847 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 3: he works for Big ten, so he goes and he 848 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 3: travels around and he was like, hey, come I would go. 849 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 2: Why would I go? 850 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 3: There are coaches we go hang out with, like Shane Biemer, 851 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 3: who I love is South Carolina. 852 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 2: He's like, come to a game. I literally said, why 853 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 2: would I come to a game? You'll come when Arkansas goes? Yeah? 854 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, why would I come to your game? 855 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 3: Like respectfully, like, I don't even crap. If I have 856 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 3: a Saturday I wanna go watch Arkansas play. 857 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way I did do 858 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: the It was we had a golf tournament this last year, 859 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: this last fall, and it got rained out, and I 860 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: was like, I am not sitting in my house all 861 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: weekend by myself in the rain. I have to go 862 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: do something. Does anyone want to go to Chicago? And 863 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: my buddy William was like, let's drive to the Notre 864 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: Damn game in the morning. And we left at five 865 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: in the morning. You drove, drove to South Bend, saw 866 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: him play Louisville and that Tyler shut kid is really good. 867 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: He is really good. He's coming on strong happen. 868 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: We watched him just throw darts all day and then 869 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: we were going to go drive back to Evansville and 870 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: go play craps in the casino home of Don Mattingley, 871 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: who was awesome. 872 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: You ever met him? 873 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: Yes, If I texted Don Mattingley right now, he would 874 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: text me back. 875 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. He's awesome. By the way, Don Mattingly 876 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: for everybody that's another sports fan. New York Yankee first basement, 877 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 2: like legend for when we were should be in the 878 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Yeah, is not. Uh. 879 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: I played his foundation event in Evansville. It was amazing, 880 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: still in Evansville. He's still in Evansville, Indiana. He's a 881 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: and he's a great, great guy. Really, all of the 882 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: money from his foundation, I believe goes back into that community, 883 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: which is amazing. 884 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 2: Why did you go to the Notre Dame game? 885 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: Because there's nothing else to do? There's I don't know. 886 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Chicago. William said he would 887 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: rather go to South Bend. Some of my buddies from 888 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: Michigan met us down there. I had never been to 889 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: touch down Jesus, how'd you feel about it? 890 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 2: It was incredible? Really, it was so cool. 891 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: Like that's that's a cool part about sports is going 892 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: and seeing like the cathedrals. Like I'm not a Yankees fan, 893 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: but going to Yankee Stadium is like it is you 894 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: just feel something. 895 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so much well, oh before they built it, 896 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 3: because I went to the old Yankee Stadium too before 897 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 3: they which, yeah, you're right. 898 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 2: The new one is pretty special. 899 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: Tool It's like I can't believe they it's sort of 900 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: like going to the Cowboys Stadium, You're like, how is 901 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: this thing so big? Wrigley Field is one of those places, 902 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: more so than Yankee Stadium. 903 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 2: And where you're like, wow, I can't believe I'm here. 904 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 3: So Wrigley filled to me, the Cubs to me, or 905 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 3: what Michigan did to you this last year. Once twenty 906 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 3: sixteen happened, I was like, we're good. 907 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 2: I'm good. It does take you'd take the foot off 908 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 2: the guests touch. 909 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I was just you know, being 910 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 3: a Cups fan my whole life, and my stepdad being 911 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 3: a Cups fan because he passed it on to me. 912 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:18,959 Speaker 2: It was. 913 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 3: The appreciation that there were two generations that lived their 914 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 3: full lives and never got to see something they loved dearly, 915 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 3: which is the Chicago Cubs win a championship. It had 916 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 3: been nineteen oh eight since they had won it, forty 917 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 3: five since they'd even been and for them to win that, 918 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: there was an appreciation of, Oh I got to see. 919 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: It's kind of like you always wonder if your generation 920 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 3: is going to be at the end of the world, 921 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 3: and odds are it's not, you know, odds are We're 922 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 3: going to come and live blink die. Whatever happens happens, 923 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 3: and we weren't here for the end of the world. 924 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 3: But you're like, I wonder if it's gonna be ours 925 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 3: that where the end of the world actually happens like 926 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 3: a meteor nuclear I feel like I got to be 927 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 3: the generation where the Cubs win a world series that 928 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 3: was the version of the end of the world that 929 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 3: I was lucky to be a part of. And I 930 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 3: think there was an appreciation, and I watch a lot 931 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 3: and I'm still even since twenty sixteen, we're talking nine years, 932 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, we're so, we're good. 933 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 2: I want to win. We're good. What was the first 934 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 2: Red Sox World Series? Is it? Oh? Nine? Was you 935 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 2: talk about the one they beat the Yankee or they 936 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 2: came back? 937 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 4: Three? 938 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah on the Yankees before the they got to the year? 939 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 2: Was that? Well? 940 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: Four? 941 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 2: Sorry? Thank you? Four? 942 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: So inside of a it's crazy. So four and sixteen 943 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: both curses broken, Ruth and good. I thought they were 944 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: closer together, but it is cool to grow up your 945 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: entire life and the Boston Red Sox and the Chicago 946 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: Cubs have like they are cursed, their cursed franchises, and 947 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: to see both curses broken, you know, when you still. 948 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 2: Really really love sports. Was was really special. People talk 949 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 2: about that. 950 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: I mean that Cubs team was so likable too, like 951 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: those are beloved players forever and not even if they want, 952 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: Like I think they'd be that way if they didn't win. 953 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: Like people love Schwarz were in Rizzo and Hovey when 954 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: he was wearing a Cubs uniform and it's it is 955 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: Chris Bryant. 956 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 3: Well, those guys are always going to be Cubs in 957 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 3: my mind, even though they're not. Even they went to 958 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 3: the Rockies and the Yankees, and you get they're still 959 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 3: Cubs because they are theo Epstein is the guy. 960 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 2: He even I do not know. I know him from 961 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 2: worshiping him. Yeah, he what a genius. Yeah, does does 962 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 2: it in Boston and then goes to Chicago and does it. 963 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. How many times have you've thrown out? We've actually 964 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: thrown out the first pitch on the same weekend and 965 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: Wrigley when I was doing mine, you were there. 966 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 2: I was there. Yeah, it was awesome. And then I 967 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 2: got to do it the next day. 968 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah it's awesome. Yeah, that's like the like the coolest 969 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 3: thing thinking about that. It's one of my favorite parts 970 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 3: of success, not me throwing the first pitch, but I 971 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 3: got to take my step dad. 972 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 2: He was with me. He'd never even got to go. 973 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 3: He'd never been to Wrigley, and so to take him 974 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 3: and not only go to a game, but to take 975 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 3: him on the field, Like that's the. 976 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 2: Really the coolest part. 977 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: Can I tell you about my dad at Wrigley when 978 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: I the next day when I got to do it, 979 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: so I know all the people at the Cubs be 980 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: because of Brian O'Connell. I was on the Florida Georgia 981 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: line tour and I was booked for the whole tour. 982 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: I was first of four, so I got to play 983 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: like I think it was twenty minutes maybe, but it 984 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: was fun. 985 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 2: It was worth it. It was great. 986 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: Is getting moving and I'm still, you know, friends with 987 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: those guys. They're like really nice whatever. Anyway, that tour 988 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: was so fun. And the Saturday show of the weekend 989 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: in August, I wasn't on the bill because Backstreet Boys 990 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: were playing the stadium shows, so all their like baseball 991 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: stadium shows they were doing. Backstreet Boys were on not me, 992 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: which I understand. 993 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 2: Bigger pool. 994 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: So I said, hey, they're playing Wrigley Field tomorrow. I 995 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: think we were in Minneapolis or something. I was like, hey, 996 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: can I can I just ride a bus? I want 997 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: to go to the show. I have nothing to do, 998 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,919 Speaker 1: like which is rare, but I'm supposed to be touring 999 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: this weekend. I'm not on the bill. Otherwise I just 1000 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: go home. So I go to the show. I wake up. 1001 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: We're at Wrigley. Brian has his bus out there and 1002 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: I walk over. I'm like, what are we doing today? 1003 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: And he's like, have you met everybody here? I was like, 1004 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: I love Chicago, but I don't know anyone at the Cubs. 1005 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm a new artist and everything's new for me. He's like, 1006 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: I got to introduce you to my buddy. So he 1007 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: introduces me to this guy named Jason McLeod. Takes me 1008 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: through the clubhouse and he lets me hit in the tunnel. 1009 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: He starts throwing me bp and I for whatever reason, 1010 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: like got into a couple and hit him real hard 1011 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, you should come back and hit 1012 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: on the field. And I was like, I will text 1013 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: you tomorrow, and I did. I texted him the next day. 1014 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: I was like, when can I come hit on the field. 1015 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: He's like one of these three days, and so Cubs 1016 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: are playing the Brewers and he says, if you come 1017 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 1: up this day, you can hit on the field. And 1018 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: so they get it to where I'm throwing out the 1019 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: pitch too. So I get my dad and my brother 1020 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: and my best friend from Michigan who's a huge Cubs fan. 1021 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 1: I was like, we're all going to this game. Maren 1022 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: came up you the day before. And we get to 1023 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: the game and he's I'm like, all right, I get 1024 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: to like hit on the field in the cage. And 1025 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: Jason comes up to me and he says, Cubs aren't 1026 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: taking BP today. 1027 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 2: It's like, damn it, Okay. 1028 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: Well that's cool, Like I'm still going to get to 1029 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: throw out the first pitch at Wrigley Field. 1030 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 2: That's incredible. And he's like me, give me a second. 1031 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 1: He goes and gets the VP like the coach whatever 1032 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: the whoever their BP guy is. He's like, this guy 1033 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: will throw you both ten pitches. So I get in 1034 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: the cage. It's hard to see the ball, and I 1035 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: start hitting the ball at Wrigley Field. I got one 1036 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: of the warning track, which is pretty dope with a 1037 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,720 Speaker 1: wood bat. But the Brewers see this dude with long hair, 1038 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 1: jeans a Cubs jersey that says herd on the back, 1039 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: and they start heckling me from right field because they're 1040 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: playing long toss, and so they start booing me because 1041 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: that's hard to hit the ball because you can't pick 1042 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: it up out of the guy's hand. That's why they 1043 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: have those. That's just so your depth perceptions. It's not 1044 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: like Little League and I get into a couple and 1045 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: they're still heckling me. I'm like, that's pretty cool to 1046 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: get heckled by the Brewers. And all of a sudden, 1047 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, where's my dad? And I can't find him anywhere, 1048 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: and like anyone's seen my dad? And I'm like no, no, no, 1049 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I see my dad is 1050 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: running in from center field. He's been shagging balls and 1051 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,319 Speaker 1: picking up all of the balls of the Brewers have 1052 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: been tossing over to him. I was like, where have 1053 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: you been. He's like, oh, I was in center field 1054 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,280 Speaker 1: shacking balls. And then everybody in the crowd started asking 1055 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: me for baseball. So I just started throwing baseballs up 1056 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: into the crowd. They all love me. I was like, 1057 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: they have no idea who you are, but it was. 1058 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: It was fantastic. It was like one of the greatest 1059 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: memories that I'll ever have is like my dad just 1060 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: running in from center field being like, yeah, I've been 1061 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: just playing around in the outfield at Wrigley. 1062 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 2: So like getting to your dad be a kid. 1063 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: It was, And he grew up in Chicago and so 1064 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: it was like a big deal for him too, and whatever. 1065 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: That dad shagging balls in centerfield just pretending like he's 1066 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: a player throwing them to all the fan is crazy 1067 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: to me. 1068 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the 1069 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 5: Bobby Cast. 1070 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 2: Why did you move here to go to college? But 1071 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 2: really in my heart to make music? Okay, why did 1072 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 2: you pick the college? I wanted to be in Nashville? 1073 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 2: So I went to Belmont. 1074 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: I got a econ degree and sociology degree. I took 1075 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,240 Speaker 1: one music business class there, which I think is really important. 1076 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: It's it really like I remember almost everything that I 1077 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: learned in that class, and I feel like a lot 1078 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: of people who do this for a living don't always 1079 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: understand how the money moves. And I feel like I 1080 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: got a head start just by taking one class, like 1081 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: understanding like this is like kind of how all of 1082 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: this works, and so I ended up when I got 1083 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: out of college getting a contract job doing research for 1084 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: the United Methodist Church. Did like a lot of stats 1085 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: work on a contract basis, so I didn't have hours, 1086 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,439 Speaker 1: so I could write during the day. 1087 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 2: So then I started writing songs. 1088 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: With Aaron who's my producer, and he's written songs for 1089 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: like two number ones for Scotty McCreery and the last 1090 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: timcgraw number one, and then Joey Hyde who wrote Made 1091 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: for You for Jake Owen, and Steve Mochler and Matt 1092 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: McGinn and Jeb Holmes, and we all started coming up 1093 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: together and getting our foot in the door making recordings 1094 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: and all got publishing deals at the same time, and 1095 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: so but I still had that job until I had 1096 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: a number. 1097 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,240 Speaker 2: One song at radio. 1098 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: So I had my first single was the Swan Brothers 1099 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: after I signed at Universal as a writer, and that 1100 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: went to like number twelve or eleven was that it 1101 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: was called later on. It was their their first single 1102 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: after The Voice. And then I had the lowest charting 1103 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: song in the history, Frascal Flats Payback was me. 1104 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 2: What's the lowest charting song twenty twenty one? I think 1105 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 2: I got to twenty one, but. 1106 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,240 Speaker 1: It's like flew flew up that high and just stopped 1107 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: for like it was excruciating to watch it not move, 1108 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: But it's happened to me. 1109 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just part of the game. 1110 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: And I loved the record was such it was such 1111 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: a huge moment for me to just be on that album. 1112 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,439 Speaker 1: And I just I don't say the lowest charting song 1113 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: because I'm like, it's just on me, man, It's just 1114 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: I wrote the song, so h I. And then the 1115 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: next thing we had was Blake Shelton being the number 1116 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: one song with Ashley Monroe, and that's when I quit 1117 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 1: my job. 1118 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 2: Was when that one. I was like, Okay, I probably 1119 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 2: need to devote all of my time to this. So 1120 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 2: Lonely Tonight that's it. 1121 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: Thing. 1122 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 2: The course we don't have to be lonely tonight. I 1123 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 2: got it. And then Ashley goes, need you want you? 1124 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 2: I'm right here? Well not. The demo is really cool 1125 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 2: to Sarah Hayes saying the female part. Were you writing 1126 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:04,919 Speaker 2: for you at all this time? 1127 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: Nope, I just wanted to be a writer and I 1128 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,479 Speaker 1: think about it all the time. 1129 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 2: Did you want to just be a writer when you 1130 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 2: moved here to begin with. 1131 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: Once you find out, yeah, I knew about like the writing, 1132 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: like music row staff writers, and I knew about like writing. 1133 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 1: I knew that was a job to just be a 1134 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,880 Speaker 1: songwriter because of a lot of people find out that 1135 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: that's a job when they get here. But uh, yeah, 1136 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,439 Speaker 1: I just it's a It's just what I wanted to do. 1137 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 3: I guess were the ambitions to be a front facing 1138 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 3: musical star when you moved here to go to school. 1139 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 2: No it was not, but. 1140 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: Uh, you know here I am. I'm like, I actually 1141 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: got so right. When Lonely Tonight when Number One Taylor 1142 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: and Jim Katino from Sony Taylor, Lindsay Sutherland and Jim 1143 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: Katino kind of came around there wanted asking if I 1144 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: would want to be an artist on their label, and 1145 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: I said no, thank you, I really love this. 1146 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 2: And literally a year later I said, yes, Why I 1147 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 2: think about that all the time? Uh they catch on 1148 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 2: a good day? Or did you just really want to 1149 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 2: do it for a long time and you finally had 1150 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 2: the curve. 1151 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to make records. I wanted to make records 1152 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: like I did. I did want to do that. I 1153 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: the travel part and the touring part always scared me, 1154 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: and that still. 1155 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,360 Speaker 2: Does even before you were burnt out from touring, it 1156 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 2: scared you. 1157 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,919 Speaker 1: To Yeah, I mean that's that we have the same 1158 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: anxiety about it. It's like no one's gonna come so uh, 1159 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just always loved I love writing. 1160 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: It's like the thing I don't know why it is. 1161 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,279 Speaker 1: That's how I measure my success still is like how 1162 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: many songs do I have on the chart at any 1163 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,479 Speaker 1: given time? 1164 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,439 Speaker 2: I have won right now? Uh? But which one? John 1165 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,839 Speaker 2: Party Friday Night Heartbreaker, which I think is so dope. 1166 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 3: That song's a jam and what they did did with 1167 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 3: it sonically as well, This is a testament to both 1168 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,399 Speaker 3: of you guys. 1169 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 2: It's an awesome song. Thank you. 1170 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of writers on it, so I can't 1171 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: take a lot of credit for some of it. Then 1172 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: you can say a quieter thank you very much. And 1173 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: what they did, we all thank you. They sonically like 1174 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: crushed it. It's such a badass John. 1175 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like John's able to do that every time, 1176 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 3: Like it gets a little cooler, but a little more 1177 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,759 Speaker 3: specifically John, and it's like he pushes the boundaries of 1178 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 3: country but by being even more country, but by at 1179 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 3: also introducing new instrumentation. I don't know John just his 1180 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 3: stuff sounds so different. Yeah, he's more country than ever. 1181 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: Whenever someone like, I love all John's records, and Bart 1182 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: Butler is a great producer. And when they said he's 1183 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: working with Jay Joyce, everybody always like when there's a 1184 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: producer shift like and it came out so great. 1185 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 2: The whole album is so great. It doesn't feel pandering either. 1186 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: It feels like a timeless, great album and I'm really 1187 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: proud to be part of it. So that's how I 1188 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: measure my stuff still though it is like not as 1189 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: an artist, I don't care about. I have no idea 1190 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: how many streams I have on this album or on 1191 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: any songs. That's not my measuring stick. My measuring stick 1192 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: is how many songs am I getting cut by other artists? 1193 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 2: What song has paid you the most? 1194 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 3: Heartless? I wrote Heartless for Morgan Dip. What song that 1195 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 3: was country? Purely country? Because I diplo record was kind 1196 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 3: of experimental country. I liked it a lot, but was 1197 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 3: traditionally What song has been most successful for you? 1198 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 2: I don't know. I would have to. I don't look 1199 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,879 Speaker 2: at statements a whole lot. It's not a numbers guy. 1200 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 2: Is there a database that tells you that stuff? Sure? 1201 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: You can wrote right into your be and my accountant there, 1202 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 1: it's all sitting right there. I would have to say, Man, 1203 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: this the last the Jordan Davis song I wrote. Uh 1204 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: did really well commercially. That one surprised me with what 1205 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: my world spins around is. Yeah, that was I think 1206 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: did really well on that one. And then Uh, what 1207 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: If I Never Get Over You was a massive, massive 1208 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: hit Lady m hm. It got nominated for Single of 1209 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: the Year and I Want we won n s AI 1210 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: Award for Top Ten Songs. I wish I'd written that 1211 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: song was really massive for for me too. Oh and 1212 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: Lonely to Night was a two way, so instead of 1213 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: splitting the royalties three or four ways, we split it 1214 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: two ways. So that was a it was really but 1215 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: that was my first one, so I didn't have any 1216 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: context for any of that. But yeah, I mean, it's 1217 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: a crazy way to make a living and I'm really 1218 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: blessed to have gotten to do it, truly. I mean, 1219 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,720 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely like walking a tightrope and you feel 1220 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:03,839 Speaker 1: some days you. 1221 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,319 Speaker 2: Feel like you're doing great. 1222 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: And some days you feel like you are never going 1223 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: to have another hit or make another dollar. 1224 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 2: But you know what that's like. 1225 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 1226 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 1227 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,400 Speaker 3: You said something interesting. You were glad you took that 1228 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 3: music business class. I feel the same way about taking 1229 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 3: media law. I took one semester because usually, and fortunately 1230 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 3: for me, I didn't have to learn most of it 1231 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 3: this way. Usually we learn that stuff when it goes 1232 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,319 Speaker 3: wrong and we have to learn it. I think I 1233 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,399 Speaker 3: had had a brief education on some of the law 1234 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,439 Speaker 3: in contract things because of a course that I took. 1235 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm so thankful I took it because there have been. 1236 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 3: In other parts of my career where I had to 1237 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 3: learn the hard way where I didn't even know until 1238 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 3: I did it way wrong. Yes, and I think in 1239 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,840 Speaker 3: this town, in that music business class, most of my 1240 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 3: friends or I would even say peers, have had to 1241 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 3: learn because they sign things. It's not like a Backstreet 1242 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 3: Boy deal or an Insynct deal back in the day 1243 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 3: where they get but they signed deals where they didn't 1244 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 3: quite understand what was going on, and it was only 1245 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 3: the upon understanding that they learned what not to do. 1246 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: Record deals are a lot like that sometimes because there's 1247 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 1: so much going into it and there's so many deal points. 1248 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 2: Publishing deals are a little simpler, but they're just. 1249 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: There's just confusing because nobody knows really where the money's 1250 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: coming from and like how things are recouped. 1251 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 2: Like it was like, o's are you know where the 1252 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 2: money's coming from? 1253 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:41,640 Speaker 1: Here? 1254 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 2: It is? 1255 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean when you think about it, like, let's talk 1256 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: about publishing money where it comes from? So I write 1257 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,120 Speaker 1: a song and Luke Bryan records it, and he says, 1258 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be my second single, this record Sunrise, Sunburn, Sunset. 1259 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,600 Speaker 2: It's going on the radio. It's what you did right, 1260 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 2: by the way, this is not a hypothetical. This is 1261 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 2: what hell yeah. 1262 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: And it goes on the radio, flies up the arts, 1263 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: becomes a big number one song. They make T shirts 1264 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 1: in Florida. That's the difference between a copyright and a trademark. 1265 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: By the way, is I don't make any money off 1266 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,160 Speaker 1: the T shirts, but I make money off the song 1267 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: getting played. But okay, so my song is number one 1268 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 1: on radio, I get paid a lot of money, right, Well, 1269 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: why where does it come from? 1270 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 2: Well? 1271 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: It comes from BMI. Well, how does BMI have any money? 1272 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 1: It's like, well, in order for these radio stations to 1273 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: play this music and make a profit by selling advertising, 1274 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: they have to buy a blanket compulsory license. So all 1275 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 1: of that licensing money, which comes from advertising gets put 1276 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: in this giant, giant pool that they split up based 1277 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: on essentially your market share of that pool of money. 1278 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 1: So just understanding what we're really doing as songwriters and 1279 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: as artists on the radio is selling advertising. 1280 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 2: And that's why when they test songs, they want them. 1281 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,880 Speaker 1: They don't want anyone change in the channel because they 1282 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 1: know right after this song they got a car commercial, 1283 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,960 Speaker 1: and that car commercial, that car dealership's their best client. 1284 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,560 Speaker 1: So it pays for a lot of stuff. I think 1285 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,959 Speaker 1: understanding like that part of it. The thing that people 1286 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: don't understand too, and it gets really confusing, is recoupment. 1287 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: So it's like I got let's say I got one 1288 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars on this publishing deal because they've paid 1289 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 1: me a fifty thousand dollars salary for two years and 1290 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: we didn't spend any other money. It's just one hundred 1291 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Like, how do I recoup that like, what 1292 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: does it mean to recoup that money? And it's like, well, 1293 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: some of the money that's in this big pile goes 1294 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: toward recouping that. So let's say, and it's it's kind 1295 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: of almost too much to explain on the air how 1296 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,560 Speaker 1: that works. If I had a napkin, I could show 1297 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 1: you exactly how it happens. But it is confusing in 1298 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,560 Speaker 1: the music business. It's not the same as like, well, 1299 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 1: I sold a car for twenty thousand dollars and I 1300 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: get a five percent commission twenty thousand dollars and I 1301 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: get a five percent commission on that twenty thousand dollars. 1302 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,040 Speaker 1: It's like, well, some money goes to recruitment and some 1303 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: money doesn't, depending on what kind of royalty it is. 1304 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,440 Speaker 3: And also the money could be different based on what 1305 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 3: share what we call the market share. I think it's 1306 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 3: a great time for based on what market share you had. Sure, 1307 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 3: So I mean the two you'd have two songs hit 1308 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 3: number one and get paid differently. 1309 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Very differently. And also this is a weird part too. 1310 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: You can have a massive hit. I remember, like you'd 1311 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: have Luke and Kenny Chesney songs. And when I first 1312 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,120 Speaker 1: started doing this that would go like number one in 1313 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve weeks, and you'd be like, that's 1314 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,000 Speaker 1: a massive hit. 1315 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 2: And then you'd have some that would go in forty 1316 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,800 Speaker 2: or fifty weeks. I've had those two. 1317 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,400 Speaker 1: And the ones that go for to your fifty weeks 1318 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: rack up so many spins a greater market share that 1319 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 1: they pay out so much better than the one that 1320 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,560 Speaker 1: is a bigger hit that flew up the charts because 1321 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 1: it just didn't get as much airplay because it happened 1322 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,440 Speaker 1: so fast, right, Like, that's a crazy that's crazy to 1323 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: think that the bigger hit pays less. But sometimes that's true. 1324 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,919 Speaker 1: I mean over time, No, over time, the giant hits 1325 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 1: pay the big bucks. 1326 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,280 Speaker 2: And also the value of you. But you're right first 1327 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,720 Speaker 2: of all on that point. 1328 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 3: Yes, song takes twelve weeks, doesn't exist and doesn't have 1329 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,240 Speaker 3: to do the work as much. 1330 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 2: I picture like an hourly worker. 1331 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 3: The forty week number one song has it to work 1332 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 3: a lot of hours to get number one, sure, and 1333 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 3: you got to pay him by the hour, that's a 1334 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,440 Speaker 3: good way to put it. So he's going to make 1335 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 3: a lot more money than the eleven week quicker contract 1336 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 3: job that's in and now if I'm comparing it to 1337 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 3: like work that I did. 1338 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 2: Sure, but which one's more valuable in the long run? 1339 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: Well, I would say would you'd have to There's a 1340 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,360 Speaker 1: lot of different things that go into it. 1341 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 3: And there's value in the writer, right, I mean you 1342 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 3: quickly have another number one song that's now part of 1343 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,680 Speaker 3: your story that allows you to get better rights with 1344 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 3: artists who often get number ones. 1345 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy too that that's the way that we 1346 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 1: still talk about success in this town is how many 1347 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,240 Speaker 1: number ones do you have? 1348 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,880 Speaker 2: It's it's as a writer we still like it is. 1349 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 2: You wear it like a hat, but it's almost like 1350 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 2: what else you're going to quantify? That's exactly right, I'm not. 1351 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean it streams the streaming royalties until they figure 1352 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: out how to actually do it. 1353 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,480 Speaker 3: You walk around with a stream counter on like I 1354 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 3: don't have a number one, but I got seventeen billion streams. 1355 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, times points zero zero zero zero one cent that's 1356 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,000 Speaker 1: how much money I made today. Yeah, it's not as 1357 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: sexy of a counting halfpennies is not not super glamorous. Also, 1358 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: too many numbers. Let me ask you this about the record, 1359 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: How do you know you're done. I think the easiest 1360 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:35,440 Speaker 1: answer is you're done when you when the deadline comes. 1361 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever are. There's parts of 1362 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 1: my album I still am like I wish we didn't 1363 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,760 Speaker 1: do that, or I wish we would have. I wish 1364 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,240 Speaker 1: I would have caught that, or I wish I would have. 1365 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,000 Speaker 2: Aaron's the same way. 1366 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: He won't tell me what they are, but you know, 1367 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,320 Speaker 1: I have like you're done when it's time to be done. 1368 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,160 Speaker 2: As far as writing it. 1369 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 3: Goes, No, I meant the project like, no, it's done, 1370 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,880 Speaker 3: like when you're sealing it. 1371 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 2: It's done when it has to be done, it's done. 1372 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's done when you're producers very annoyed at you, 1373 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: but it's never actually done. 1374 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. 1375 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: It's just like the song Funerals is one for me 1376 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,960 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I wanted it to sound just a 1377 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,720 Speaker 1: little something else, and I tried. I had like three 1378 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: or four mix mixes on it, and it just the 1379 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,720 Speaker 1: one that the best version was the last one, and 1380 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,840 Speaker 1: that's what we went with. But it's still you still 1381 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: have things in your head of like I wish like 1382 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 1: I hear it a little different, but that's that's just 1383 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 1: part of creative work. I would love to ask the 1384 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,080 Speaker 1: same question of a visual artist. 1385 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,880 Speaker 3: I would think any artist is going to say it's 1386 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,080 Speaker 3: never done. It just has to be done at a 1387 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 3: point done, or you don't make money to eat so 1388 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,560 Speaker 3: you can make other arts. 1389 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 1: I think too, I have used this and it's not 1390 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,040 Speaker 1: a good it's not a good way to talk about 1391 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: your excitement. But I have said, just get it off 1392 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,640 Speaker 1: my desk. I just that was a big deal for me. 1393 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: Was like, I mean, and it's really been hard because 1394 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't my heart is not all the way in 1395 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,840 Speaker 1: it the way that it was. It was like part 1396 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,920 Speaker 1: of this to me was something we did together, and 1397 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,320 Speaker 1: so finding a new way to make music just me. 1398 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a million ways you could slice 1399 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: that up, but it's been hard to get my heart 1400 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: back into it. And so for me, like this album 1401 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 1: was like I need to get it off my desk. 1402 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: I need to get it done, move it. I need 1403 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,840 Speaker 1: to do it, get it out and then so that 1404 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,880 Speaker 1: I can move on to the next thing, whatever that is. 1405 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:35,080 Speaker 1: And that is how art works, I think, is you 1406 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,320 Speaker 1: explore something and you give it everything, Like I gave 1407 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,960 Speaker 1: this thing everything I had everything I had to give. 1408 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 2: I am a dry sponge. 1409 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 3: Currently, do you feel like you gave it so much 1410 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 3: that it started to be detrimental Where you're continuing because 1411 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,600 Speaker 3: you know it's not over. You've given it everything you 1412 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 3: have healthily that you could obsess and actually make it 1413 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,480 Speaker 3: worse because you become obsessed with it, so you need 1414 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,120 Speaker 3: it off your desk. 1415 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 2: That's mixed. 1416 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,600 Speaker 1: That's when mixing like those guys, just those mixed the 1417 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 1: mixed engineers just want to push artists into the river, 1418 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,600 Speaker 1: like two weeks on the sixth mix and you're like, dude, 1419 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,000 Speaker 1: it's probably fine, it's probably fine. I yes, I think 1420 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,080 Speaker 1: you give as much as you can and then there's 1421 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,480 Speaker 1: a deadline and then it's time to it's time to 1422 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,880 Speaker 1: go do something else. So whenever we do the next record, 1423 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: I want to do eight songs. I have a title, 1424 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: I have all the songs written. I know what I 1425 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,680 Speaker 1: want it to be. I'm ready. I'm very excited for that. 1426 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,520 Speaker 3: One last question, you mentioned funeral, but I was gonna 1427 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 3: ask about Paul. 1428 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it's Paul McCartney, right, Paul McCartney. You met him. 1429 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 2: I met him at a Grammy party. Give me the story. 1430 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,360 Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to give you the longer version 1431 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,640 Speaker 1: because this is a podcast. 1432 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,200 Speaker 2: You're allowed. I welcome it. 1433 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 1: I we were nominated for circles around this town, and 1434 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: we went to the Grammys, sat next to Ast McBride, 1435 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,400 Speaker 1: had a great time, Silk Sonic played, I was right there. 1436 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,160 Speaker 1: We wanted to go to three parties. We had to 1437 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 1: go to our friend Greg Kirsten's party that he threw 1438 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,680 Speaker 1: with Dave Grohl, but that wasn't a totally different part 1439 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:10,240 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles than the Sony party, which was the 1440 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,840 Speaker 1: label party we had to go to. And then we 1441 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,800 Speaker 1: wanted to go to Taylor's party and Jack Antonov's party 1442 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,400 Speaker 1: because uh, Taylor, Taylor Swift, they're very nice to invite us, 1443 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: and but we're having gonna get to that because the 1444 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: all the fun stuff, the song stuff happened at the 1445 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,960 Speaker 1: first party. So we go, we leave the Grammys, We're like, hey, 1446 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,760 Speaker 1: we have to go to the Greg party first because 1447 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,040 Speaker 1: we really want to go. But it's not near the 1448 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 1: other It's not near Hollywood, which is where the Sony 1449 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 1: and the Taylor party were. Taylor Swift party the other 1450 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,000 Speaker 1: part of town. So we're all the way down at 1451 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Greg and Dave's party. This is I'm gonna pick all 1452 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,280 Speaker 1: these names up off the floor before I leave it, 1453 01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:57,560 Speaker 1: so don't worry. 1454 01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,080 Speaker 3: How it's not even picking up. But you don't say 1455 01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 3: last name, so we don't want know. Oh sometimes I won't. 1456 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,760 Speaker 1: So I either go the Greg Kursten Dave grow party 1457 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 1: and we go, and my mom and my sister are 1458 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,800 Speaker 1: in the van with us because they went. They'd never 1459 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,200 Speaker 1: been to the Grammys. It was so fun and Maren 1460 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Janet Dallas and a driver I believe. And we go 1461 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,920 Speaker 1: to the party and we get there like obnoxiously early, 1462 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,680 Speaker 1: and there's no one there. There's no food, there's not 1463 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: even beer out. And I have my tuxedo on from 1464 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 1: the Grammy still I have this like Frank Sinatras tuxedo. 1465 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,400 Speaker 1: And I decided to take my clip on off because 1466 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 1: do you know how to tie a bow tie? 1467 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 2: I do not. Not one person knows how to do it. 1468 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:38,880 Speaker 2: So I have a clip on. 1469 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Well, I take my clip on off, I open up 1470 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,840 Speaker 1: my shirt, have my real boat tie hanging down the 1471 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 1: placard of my shirt. 1472 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,960 Speaker 2: We're hanging out of the party. People start to trickle in. 1473 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,400 Speaker 1: We're hanging out with Greg Kurston, who makes Maren's records. 1474 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 2: His family's amazing. It's always been really kind to us. 1475 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,560 Speaker 1: And it gets to be about time where we really 1476 01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:01,000 Speaker 1: do need to get to the Sony party. We go 1477 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,920 Speaker 1: up to Greg and so, hey, Greg, we love you, 1478 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,400 Speaker 1: thank you, we'll see you soon. I wish we could 1479 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: stay longer, but we have to go to the other party. 1480 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,040 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, you got to meet Paul. Like okay, 1481 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,320 Speaker 1: we don't have time to meet your friend Paul, but uh, 1482 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 1: we'll see you like when we see you, but thank you. 1483 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,280 Speaker 1: And he's like no, no, no, you come on and he 1484 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 1: grabs us like run across the room and like we 1485 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: get closer. I was like, oh my gosh, like that 1486 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 1: is Paul McCartney and his wife and I like kind 1487 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: of freeze and she freezes, and he just brings us 1488 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,800 Speaker 1: right up and say, hey, Paul, these are my friends 1489 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Marion and Ryan and I don't neither one of us 1490 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,080 Speaker 1: have anything to say. And he goes, hey, I'm Paul. 1491 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,400 Speaker 1: Did you guys win a Grammy? They're like uh huh 1492 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,240 Speaker 1: and he's like me neither. He said okay, and he 1493 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,679 Speaker 1: starts talking and he grabs up my tie, my bow 1494 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,720 Speaker 1: tie after we've made exchanged pleasantries, and I'm not going 1495 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: to do a British accent. I would not disrespect Sir 1496 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Paul by massacring my interpretation of that. But he starts 1497 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,479 Speaker 1: messing with my untied bow tie. He's like, my wife, 1498 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,759 Speaker 1: I love the way you're wearing your tie. My wife 1499 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: wants me to wear like this to these things more often, 1500 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,760 Speaker 1: said these things as in the Grammys. Okay, got it, 1501 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,280 Speaker 1: these things, these kind of things. And so he's messing 1502 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,559 Speaker 1: with my tie. He looks over his shoulder, He's like, hey, honey, 1503 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,680 Speaker 1: come here and look at this guy's tie. So he's 1504 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,800 Speaker 1: like messing with it, and she's like, oh, I love 1505 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,360 Speaker 1: the way you're wearing your tie. I wish you'd wear 1506 01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,479 Speaker 1: it more like like that more often. And he's like, yeah, okay, 1507 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,759 Speaker 1: So do you know how to tie one? He's like, no, 1508 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,559 Speaker 1: nobody does. He's like, absolutely no what he does. And 1509 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,120 Speaker 1: he said, well, Paul, we have to go to our 1510 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,320 Speaker 1: label party. It was really nice to meet you. And 1511 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,040 Speaker 1: we left and got in the van and we're just 1512 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:54,719 Speaker 1: sitting there kind of like in silence, and. 1513 01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,759 Speaker 2: I just said, I forgot to get a picture. 1514 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 1: That's the only thing anyone said was I forgot to 1515 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,200 Speaker 1: get a picture. And so over the next like six 1516 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,160 Speaker 1: months is how long it took me to write this song. 1517 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,320 Speaker 2: I wrote the story of meeting Paul. 1518 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:13,840 Speaker 1: And it it's really special to me. I mean, it's 1519 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,519 Speaker 1: I The song, if you haven't heard, it starts with 1520 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,240 Speaker 1: I met Paul McCartney at an LA after party in 1521 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: a suit, talks made by HERMANI wondering what I'm doing here. 1522 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,479 Speaker 1: So there's like imposter syndrome at the beginning, and it 1523 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: goes through like. 1524 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 2: Talking to Paul. 1525 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Everything that we talked about is in the song, and 1526 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,760 Speaker 1: then I tie it back to like why that was 1527 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,360 Speaker 1: such a moment for me. It's like when I was 1528 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,040 Speaker 1: a kid, my dad had a six CD changer and 1529 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,360 Speaker 1: then he had a little turntable. So on the six 1530 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,360 Speaker 1: CD changer, I remember like core memory being a little kid, 1531 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 1: and hey, you had Randy Travis that won the CD 1532 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,960 Speaker 1: with Forever and Ever amen on it that massive, massive album, 1533 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 1: and I remember that was the first country song I 1534 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 1: ever heard. And then he would all also he had 1535 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,120 Speaker 1: these old Beatles forty fives that he got I think 1536 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:09,599 Speaker 1: from his older brothers, and he would play these forty 1537 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,479 Speaker 1: five's like on the weekends. And so my first introduction 1538 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: to music was like was that it was like Randy 1539 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,599 Speaker 1: Travis on the CD and Let It Be on these 1540 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,599 Speaker 1: old records. And so for me to like have that 1541 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,120 Speaker 1: full circle moment in music, and my family has sacrificed 1542 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,439 Speaker 1: so much for me to be able to do this. 1543 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,960 Speaker 1: They all live here now, which is crazy, like one 1544 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,639 Speaker 1: by one they've become they've all gotten here. And part 1545 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: of that's because this is like where our family, our 1546 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,320 Speaker 1: family wants to be close, and this is where I was, 1547 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,640 Speaker 1: and so everybody sort of ended up here. But to 1548 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,719 Speaker 1: have like a song on your record that is better 1549 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 1: than a picture, like it is the entire memory. But 1550 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,840 Speaker 1: it's more than that. It's like, the reason I make 1551 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,760 Speaker 1: music is because my dad played Let It Be on 1552 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,680 Speaker 1: a record when I was a kid, and it made 1553 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,160 Speaker 1: me fall in love with it and made me want 1554 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,160 Speaker 1: to do it. It made me want to take piano lessons. 1555 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,040 Speaker 1: And so to have the opportunity where you get to 1556 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 1: meet your hero say, don't like and there's a lot 1557 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,960 Speaker 1: of times you do meet your heroes and you're like, god, 1558 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 1: that guy's kind of a jerk, Like Paul McCartney was 1559 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the nicest human I've ever met. He's a professional at 1560 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,400 Speaker 1: meeting people, he's a professional at disarming people and making 1561 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,519 Speaker 1: them feel comfortable, and he's just he's a guy, like 1562 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,639 Speaker 1: he's the best in the world, that he's the biggest 1563 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,000 Speaker 1: rock star in the history of the world to me. 1564 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,240 Speaker 1: And he was nice enough to just ask us if 1565 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: we want a Grammy that day, And I know it's 1566 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:32,680 Speaker 1: the Grammys, it's it didn't feel it felt like he 1567 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,000 Speaker 1: was asking, when's your birthday? 1568 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:34,800 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 1569 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,519 Speaker 1: Like it felt that personal to me, And that's I 1570 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 1: don't know. Man, You talk, we talk about the things 1571 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,160 Speaker 1: we don't like doing this, Like I don't like touring. 1572 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't like being away from my son. I don't 1573 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,439 Speaker 1: like being away from home. I don't like that feeling 1574 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,240 Speaker 1: of like I hope people come. But I love music. 1575 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: I love making records and I love writing songs. I 1576 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,080 Speaker 1: love figuring out how to make an artist feel special. 1577 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 2: That day I did it, Yeah, yesterday. 1578 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,679 Speaker 1: I loved just trying to get on this guy's record, 1579 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,240 Speaker 1: doing the best I can to help him find his voice, right, 1580 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 1: Like those are the things that I will always love 1581 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,599 Speaker 1: and I hope I always get to do. But when 1582 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: you meet someone like that, and I've gotten to meet 1583 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,639 Speaker 1: Elton John, I've gotten I'm at I mean, Dave Grohl 1584 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,920 Speaker 1: was at that party. Jeff Probst was at that party. 1585 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,599 Speaker 1: They're both very incredibly nice people. They've been incredibly nice 1586 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,519 Speaker 1: to us. Like, man, the opportunities that I've gotten to 1587 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,759 Speaker 1: do because I can write songs like that I've gotten 1588 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,880 Speaker 1: because I can write songs are things that I would 1589 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 1: never trade. But when you it, it was one of 1590 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,680 Speaker 1: those like mountaintop moments and also perspective moments. 1591 01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,519 Speaker 2: We're like, how lucky could you possibly be? Man? 1592 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,880 Speaker 1: This is like you get to do things that you 1593 01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,679 Speaker 1: never dreamed you'd ever get to do. And so full 1594 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 1: circle back to Midwest rock and roll. If you what 1595 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,560 Speaker 1: if you stay at home, could you be happy? 1596 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1597 01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, But like look at what happened, Like it's 1598 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,080 Speaker 1: so beautiful, Like what even the hard moments getting to 1599 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,640 Speaker 1: do this is its own reward. I don't if you 1600 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,479 Speaker 1: ask me like how much money did I make off 1601 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,240 Speaker 1: those songs? Like man, I don't know enough, like plenty. 1602 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,760 Speaker 1: I didn't ask how much. It's a whole different question, 1603 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:21,959 Speaker 1: lair enough. But that's not the thing that makes me excited. 1604 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,559 Speaker 1: It makes me relieved when it shows up every quarter 1605 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 1: because I'm like, thank god I can, Like, well, I'm okay, 1606 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,200 Speaker 1: But like, that's not the thing that makes me happy 1607 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:37,160 Speaker 1: or excited. The thing that makes me happy is the 1608 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:42,120 Speaker 1: making of it. The the like that first moment. You 1609 01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 1: guys know what I'm talking about. It's like that first 1610 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: moment where you're like, oh my god, we got it. 1611 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,479 Speaker 1: There's nothing in the world like that when they send 1612 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,040 Speaker 1: the demo and you listen to it in your car 1613 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,840 Speaker 1: like ten times. There's nothing like that. There's nothing like 1614 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,160 Speaker 1: getting to do this. And I hope I get to 1615 01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:00,200 Speaker 1: do it one way or another forever. I know I'll 1616 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,320 Speaker 1: never like there's a time you'll write your last song. 1617 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,559 Speaker 1: At some point you will have your last hit at 1618 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,920 Speaker 1: some point. Maybe I've already had it. 1619 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:06,360 Speaker 2: I hope not. 1620 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,920 Speaker 1: But you get like getting to write songs every day 1621 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 1: is its own reward, it's its own privilege. It's it's 1622 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the greatest job on the planet. And also it's pretty 1623 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:21,960 Speaker 1: like you show up at eleven and leave it three, 1624 01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Like how hard could it be? But I truly do 1625 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,600 Speaker 1: love it. I'm so blessed to get to do this. 1626 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm so blessed to still be in the game, and 1627 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,400 Speaker 1: I hope I can continue to for a long time. 1628 01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,559 Speaker 3: Midwest walk 'n' Rolls twelve songs, you guys check it 1629 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,559 Speaker 3: out and that's fine, dude, thank you. 1630 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,120 Speaker 2: We did. We did it over an hour. We haven't 1631 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,800 Speaker 2: started recording yet, but we like this one. 1632 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,679 Speaker 6: I'll hit it now, yeah, hit hit that button. How 1633 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 6: often do you do that joke? I like it only 1634 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,800 Speaker 6: with people we like. All right, good, yeah, yeah, I 1635 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:54,840 Speaker 6: appreciate you, man. 1636 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,240 Speaker 3: And why there's actually a reason as to why we 1637 01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,080 Speaker 3: only do with the people we like is because I 1638 01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,479 Speaker 3: only do it with people that do a significant amount 1639 01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,840 Speaker 3: of time with because if we did sometimes we'll do 1640 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:04,639 Speaker 3: thirty eight minutes. 1641 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:06,840 Speaker 2: Some people will take you up on it. 1642 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,800 Speaker 3: Well, no, it's I won't do that joke if it 1643 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,439 Speaker 3: doesn't go an extra amount of time and I only 1644 01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,040 Speaker 3: do extra amount of time with people or with situations 1645 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:16,880 Speaker 3: that I feel are going to be either beneficial to 1646 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,360 Speaker 3: me personally or to the podcast. 1647 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,559 Speaker 2: So there you go. It's a great joke. Thank you 1648 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,280 Speaker 2: at Ryan Hurd follow him check out the music. Ryan. 1649 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,880 Speaker 2: Good to see buddy go and play some golf soon. 1650 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:29,960 Speaker 4: No, all right, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast 1651 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:30,479 Speaker 4: production