WEBVTT - Draft Show: 1 Week 'Til Draft Day 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.480 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.560 there war room for incenter news and draft analysis from 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.040 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:26.840 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliott and now your hosts 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.600 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, we're 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.440 just one week away, one short week away from the 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:41.479 twenty seventeen NFL Draft taking place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Brian 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.239 brought us here with Dane Brugler. David Hellman will join 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.720 us here in a little bit and he's doing some 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.440 TV work. Dane, Nice to have you back with us today, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.280 special episode, Today a special guest, special guest, and I'm 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.400 gonna introduce the special guests. And he's really a man 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:03.880 that really doesn't need an introduction, but he deserves that honor. Uh. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.399 You know, he's a Hall of Fame voter. He's one 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.759 of the most respected to writers covering the National Football League, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.480 and he's a pillar of how the NFL Draft is 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.479 now consumed by fans through the media and uh and 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.360 really and one of the most important things. He's one 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.880 of the major reasons why DeMarcus Ware was drafted to 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.360 the Dallas Cowboys. You could check out all his fine 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:30.000 work with really one of my favorite sites because the 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.400 interviews and stuff they do. The Talk of Fame Network, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.920 it's Rick Goslin. Rick, welcome to the Draft show pleasure. Yeah, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.200 Steam company here. Yeah, well, no, we really do appreciate 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.840 you being here. And you know, and I you know, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.040 and I've my my experienced Dane, I know that you've 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.560 you've been working, you know, through this draft. My experience 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.440 with Rick goes all the way back into the early 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.320 nineties as one of the first when I was working 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.840 with the Green Bay Packers. You know, it was his 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.040 top one hundred that we use to conduct our own 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.120 mock drafts. We didn't use our own boards, we use 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.200 this man's sports one of the most connected writers, and 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.560 I would be I would be proud to scout with him, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.120 you know, any day. The connections that he has and 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.360 the eye that he has for players at thirty thirteen. Yeah, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.240 and there's always always make this joke about Dane talks 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.000 about his mock drafts and the goal was always to 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.560 beat you. And he said he got the T shirt 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.600 one year for taking you down. I think it's like 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.480 two thousand and nine, one of those years, I mean 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.040 before I really started getting into this. I mean that 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.320 was that was a prize possession that I beat. The 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.080 Goose T shirt it's an extra ard, so I can 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.760 never wear it, but I still have it at home. Okay. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.160 In a twenty eleven draft, it's my last mock draft. Yeah, 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.640 and I was the only guy in America had all 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.720 those quarterbacks up high, right. We didn't give out any 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:56.760 T shirts. That yeah, T shirts, that's yeah, ponder, yeah exactly. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.600 But it's it's such an honor to have you here, Rick, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.640 and and and I want I have to get you 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.399 to tell the story, you know, as we get started here. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.160 And I mentioned it in the introduction of you about 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.040 the Marcus ware. And I also want to get into 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.880 this take. We're gonna have you like our normal day. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.680 I do want to pick Rick's brain about He's got 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.240 a you know, his his list of guys, and he's 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.400 learning these players like we are. I want to get 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.000 his take on this. I want to also talk about 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.680 two a little bit, the media and the draft. You know, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.680 when who to trust who not to trust, not specifically names, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.080 but when when do you start figuring out like, Okay, 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.360 these guys, this is what I need to believe in 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.280 because we play a big role in that. I think 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.640 we influence people in the direction that the draft might go. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.080 And you know, and I learned it firsthand last year 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.680 with my talk thought about Joey Bosa. You know, I 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.840 was very critical of Joey Bosa. I think I've influenced No, 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.640 I don't think. I know I influenced a lot of 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.680 Dallas Cowboy fans not to really fall in love with 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.640 Joey Bosa, you know, Whereas on the other hand, you 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.440 were very positive about Joey Bosa and you're like, well, Brian, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.080 you need to think about So I want to get 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.320 into that about how our influence in the draft. But 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:08.600 I do want to get into some of these players. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.640 We're gonna do some Twitter on the twenty two. I 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.040 want fans to have the opportunity to ask you guys 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.200 some questions about the draft coming up, and then I 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.360 could say the final segment we're not going to do 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:20.960 tell me more. But again, I want to get into 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.719 just some more thoughts about players, specifically where you might 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.400 think that some of these guys that we've got some risers, 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.560 we've got some guys that are falling. I heard today 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.880 the Tackle Bowls from Utah a lot of people going 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.000 south on him because of some of the off the 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.080 field stuff and all that. So I just need to 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.800 kind of think that through. But before we really get started, though, Rick, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.760 I want you to tell the fans out there the 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.800 story of how and I also set up the story. Rick, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.760 like I say, one of the most outstanding draft guys. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.000 He's got all these these general managers and coaches and owners, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.200 people that talk to him and give him inside He's 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.800 tremendous a protecting his sources though, but giving you reasons 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.160 why they will or will not take guys. But my 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.919 experience with Rick was with the Marcus Ware in the 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.680 two thousand and five draft, and we had we had 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.679 sewn Merriman and De Marcus Ware as a tie really 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.000 on our board with a grade of one. Oh and 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.880 Bill Parcels wanted was looking at Merriman. He really, really, 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:30.000 he was battling the scouts on Merriman. And but I 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.360 want to I had a conversation with you the night 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.719 before the draft, and really the Merriman Ware decision did 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.440 not come down until Rick talked to Jerry Jones the 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.560 next morning, so kind of tell the story. I set 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.320 up the story, but talk about how that all came 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.919 about the night before the draft, when you were actually 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.039 sitting in New York City waiting on the draft, and 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.640 I was I was always going to New York City 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.280 to cover the draft, and my final mock came out 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.479 in the morning of the draft. So I'd get to 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.200 New York about eleven o'clock and then I would spend 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.719 the next five hours doing my final mock. I always 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.080 did three mocks. The first was based on my board, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.560 second was based on Team Mead, and the only month 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.560 that matter was the last one right where all the 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.640 good stuff went in. So I'd spend five or six 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.240 hours and making a couple of final calls, and then 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.280 i'd have people about six o'clock. People figured out that's 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.720 what I had it done, and I get calls from 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.960 gms and coaches, they will give me your mock. Yeah. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.800 And I would talk to a lot of GMS and 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.960 coaches on Friday, on the night before the direct right 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.320 and tell them there was always something I did. I know. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.760 I know his time was very precious and I felt 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.640 always privileged to be able to talk to you. It 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.799 might be at one in the morning, but we were talking. Yeah, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.880 and I had I called Jerry on it because I 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.640 knew they were looking at these two guys. And I said, 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.000 let me, let me read you this. And I when 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.120 I do my reports, my studies and these players, I'll 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:58.000 talk to maybe twenty five people, be they scouts, coaches, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.720 personal doctors, GM's, head coaches, whatever, and they would give 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.120 me comments and I would keep track of all the comments, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.479 taking notes as you're going along. And okay, so Jerry, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.400 let me read you these two things. And I read 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.520 him DeMarcus Ware, and I read him Sean Merrin and 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.520 Merriman and these were each each guy had twenty twenty 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.960 five comments. And basically the point is, if you draft 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.040 Marcus Ware, he will become a Pro Bowl player and 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.360 he'll be a good citizen for the next ten years. Right. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.120 If you draft Sean Merriman, he'll be a Pro Bowl player. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.320 But the first time he's a Pro Bowl player, you 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.680 got a problem. Yeah, because he's going to go. He 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.640 thinks he's better than he is, right, And he and I, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.920 you know, kind of hashed that thing out, and what 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:37.800 I'm told that kind of been bold in him. No, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.400 that didn't. Kind of that got it done because the 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.760 next day Parcels was brought in with Stephen and that's 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.480 when the decision was made. We didn't know which way 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.600 that Jerry was going to go. And the last conversation 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.760 he had was with Rick Goslin that night, the night 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.080 before and they met with Parcels and we were all 0:07:58.080 --> 0:07:59.720 sitting in the draft room waiting for the draft to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.680 kick off. We had the eleventh pick that to start 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.640 the day, and and you knew right then and there 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.600 something was going to happen because Bill got called out 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.640 of the draft meeting or out of the war room 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:15.120 into a side office to talk about this, and Jerry 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.360 came back with smiles. Stephen came back with smiles. Bill 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.440 Parcels did not come back with a smile. And then 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.120 Jerry made the announcement that we're gonna go with We're 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:29.400 going with where? And I guarantee it. The last conversation 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.440 he had was with Rick gos and I said that 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.200 before and I believe it was that meeting. And this 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.200 is where we talk about how the media can sway 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.800 and you know, and let me ask you guys, this 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.199 though is too and I after I make the statement, though, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.439 I really I believe in my heart that the reason 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.479 why he the Marcus ware was here was because of Ricksmas, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.640 you know. And that just shows you though, with somebody 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.000 that connected to the draft, to general managers, to coaches, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.160 you know, people decision makers, the information was credible, yes, right, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.560 Yeah that I never watched any tape. I didn't. I 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.840 was a writer, I wasn't a scout, right, So what 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.160 I did was talk to the people that do watch tape, right, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.600 that do make the decisions, and they give me and 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.840 that they know that I'm I was great at protecting 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.160 my sources, absolutely, and it was a given take often. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.040 You know, when I was doing my my my position board, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.520 I'll call up a receiver coach, I says, okay, here's 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.400 my top fifteen, and we go through and eat to 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.360 move that guy, that guy down. They knew they would 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:31.199 get as much as I take there, right, They would said, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.640 why do you have him as your tenth wide receiver? Yeah? 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.280 And that would And I know I'm responsible in a 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.640 lot of builds for players that were taken. Yeah, deep snappers, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.400 wide receivers based on information I've had. I had teams 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.000 during the Hey day. They called me when they were 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.400 on the clock. Yeah, what do you have And you're 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:48.920 sitting in New York, You're sitting at the at the 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.319 Radio City Music Hall. What do you take your calls? 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.960 Is there anything on this guy that we should know about? Yeah, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.960 and I've had you know, but but the information was credible. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.920 It wasn't my opinion. It was like Dane said, a 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.199 lot of people consider me the thirty third team, right 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.560 because I was the only guy in the league that 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.440 was talking to all thirty two teams, right, and everybody 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.120 everybody trusted you. Yeah. Yeah, so they use me as 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.040 as a resource. This is this is the consensus board. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.880 You know, you have your board, the Patriots have there 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.760 as cool sad, there's this is the consensus board. Yeah, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.080 you know it's and I talk about using his top 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:27.480 one hundred. I'll never forget like guys like Jerry Jerry 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.000 Junior walking in with his top one hundred and looking 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.679 at our board and then looking at and looking at 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.600 our board and looking at his top one hundred, and 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:41.080 then the conversation would be, well, Goose has got him here. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.280 Goose has got him here, and you know, and everyone 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.079 would get bent out of shape but me because I 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.640 understood that Goose probably had it right. Yeah, you know, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.640 that's the thing that I was always kind of you know, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.000 but we would use his top one hundred as our 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.280 mock because you never wanted to use your own board. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.440 Because you could set it up. You could say, okay, 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.040 well let's manipulate it so our guys fall to us. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.960 You take his top one hundred, then you had a 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.680 way of saying it. I used to pass out there. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.640 I used to pass out his top one hundred with 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.400 the team needs, with everybody's team needs. And like Walter, Julia, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.760 if okay, Walter, you're the NFC North, You've got every 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.520 time Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago, and then and they pick 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.120 you get you pick a player for them. But we're 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.120 going off his board. We're going off his top one hundred, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.199 and we're going off the team needs that we had. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.680 So that's great information. I mean, when it comes to 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.160 the draft, information is power. Yeah, and that type of 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.760 information having an understanding of how you know, because these 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.800 teams obviously know these players, but having an understanding of 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.640 how other teams view players helps, yeah, evaluation and to 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.960 the value, where do you take them? Who might be available? 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.760 For you. So yeah, it's I'll give you another I'll 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.720 give you another example. Welcome David Hellman TV TV work today. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:03.960 I was actually late to the show because I was 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.280 doing a seven round mock on one of our TV show. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.120 We'll get into your seven round mock that because we 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.400 can do that. I made I made a call on 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.000 that war draft in oh five because of him, Because 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.480 of Rick Goslins, what he told me about what Minnesota 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:22.040 and Cincinnati were gonna do ahead of me. This the thought, hey, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.240 they potentially could be because Bill Parcels, they were looking 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.120 at looking at we were looking at Marcus Spears yeah 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.240 at twenty and Bill wanted Marcus Spears man. Man, he 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.800 wanted Marcus Spears at eleven. Yeah, And so all of 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.920 a sudden it was like, okay, well let's figure out 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.199 how to get Marcus Spears here. And Bill and Jerry, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.319 Jerry looked at me and goes, is there anybody that 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.960 could take a defensive end? Before twenty and I had 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.000 had a conversation with Rick about potentially some teams because 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.560 I wanted to know. My job was to know. He says, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.199 you got to watch Cincinnati and you gotta watch Minnesota. Yeah, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.400 and with some just some gut not not fearing where 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.959 my information was coming from. I said, worry about Cincinnati 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.920 and Minnesota. Sure enough, they took David Pollock at Cincinnati, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.800 they took Erasmus James at Minnesota. Right, that man right 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.120 there made me look pretty damn good. Yeah, you know, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.280 because he had an idea. That's what you talk about. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.880 And I want to get into that though. Do teams 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.240 Do teams use the media though in the right way? 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.400 Do you think? Do you think or does is it 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:31.160 now where it's about being teams use the media in 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.439 a wrong way where they try and and maybe take 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.400 a Todd McShay this way, or take a Dane Brugler 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.640 this way, or take a Brian Broadest this way. Do 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:46.160 you think the media now it is it about using 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.520 the media the right way? Or do you think they're 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.160 used as detours? It goes both ways. And I think 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.920 that's where you have to trust the evaluator and who's 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.400 communicating the info, because out of all the information I hear, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.320 I probably talk publicly about ten percent of it. Yeah, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.160 just because I worry about you know, that doesn't really 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.480 sound true, or you know, and whether and where you're 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.720 getting the information from um, you know, agents and different teams. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.640 You know, I talked about how Trubisky is possible at three. Yeah, well, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.720 i'll tell you what. I'm doing some research and you 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.920 threw that out there very early. And that's a that's 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.360 a that's a well, a nugget, and that's a nugget 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.680 right from one place. And then I checked with a 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.680 scout that I trust, and he said, that's what we're expecting. Yeah, 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.000 And okay, well I trust. I mean, that's a scout. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.120 That's what he's told me. The pass has panned out, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.480 so I have no I feel okay putting that out 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.600 there now. It might not turn out to be right. 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.040 But I the information that I know personally that I 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.160 can speak of that I put out there. I only 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.200 put out what I think is credible. I don't just 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.560 throw whatever out there where I can't say the same 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.240 for a lot of people in this, you know, in 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.600 the draft business. Yeah, that's that's why they're called the 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.000 mock drafts. Yeah. The people that are drafting are talking. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.360 You know, the people that are putting the mock drafts 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.720 are telling you what they think. It's not what the 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.520 teams are thinking. Yeah. Again, that's why they're called mock drafts. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.200 But you can, i mean follow along with draft Twitter 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.120 and you can kind of parse that out between who 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.560 is relaying credible information and the what do I want 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.840 to say, the frequency with which you put that stuff out. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.560 I think, you know, I'm trusting it way more from 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.800 somebody who like every Maybe it doesn't happen all the time, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.800 but whenever you say it, it it pans out as opposed 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.280 to people who are just throwing stuff left and right, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.320 which you see around this time of year. Right, you're 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.080 gonna hit on one of those things, and so you know, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.440 you can remind people of how you hit on that 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.960 one thing, but it's the all the things you got wrong. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.160 And really, this to me, this final week is probably 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.920 the time I dislike the most about the draft process 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.920 because there is so much misinformation out there, and you know, 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.600 I'm not sure that many people guard the information, you know, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.720 like like Rick, and you know, I mean, some people, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.400 like we said, just kind of throw whatever they hear 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.160 out there, and a lot of it's just not credible 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.560 and a lot of it's misinformation and what teams want 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.240 out there, and so it's a it's a week that 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:07.840 we're gonna hear a lot of noise, and you just 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.800 have to kind of weed through the you know, you 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.200 have to have your BS meter up. Yeah, understand what's 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.040 what's credible and what's not. But that's this is smoke week. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.240 This is there's a lot of smoke out there. But 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.280 this is what I was doing, the mocks and the 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.080 boards and next I never read anybody. I avoided all 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.680 mock drafts, avoid all top parts because what I knew 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.760 what I had was credible. I didn't want to be 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.840 swayed by something that was incredible, so I didn't look 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.640 at it, Bucks Bomb or anybody else until after the 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.440 draft see what they had going. Yeah, I think, to me, though, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.120 that that that's I think we're we're to me, the 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.280 initial thoughts that people have about these players that we're 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.160 hearing are the right ones. And then it's the closer 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.720 we get to the draft, then it becomes harder and 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.360 harder and harder to really believe what people are saying. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.360 I woke up this morning to reports that Josh Dobbs 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.800 is going to be a round Picks, So just yeah, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.760 it's kind of it reminds it's like when your favorite 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.080 band becomes really popular and like everybody in the world's 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.080 talking about him, you know, like when you've known it 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.840 all along, we were talking about this in December and January. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.679 Right now you just kind of got a deal with 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.200 this five days of craziness. It's not I mean it's 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.960 fun though. Well I think it mentioned it, you know, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.600 a couple months ago. But if there was one player 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.600 in this draft, he would be compared to Dak Prescott, 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.920 you know, the next Dak Prescott. I thought it'd be Dabbs, 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.440 I thought, and I think that's your initial thought about him, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.000 the Tennessee quarterback, right, I mean I think he's I mean, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.000 you like love the physical skills, uh, you know, the intelligence. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.440 I mean you meet with him for five minutes and 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.520 you love him. Yeah, he's a kid, that's the NASA guy, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.439 right right, I mean the aerospace aerodynamics. But when you 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.760 talk about when you watch the film and accuracy, the 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.480 decision making, it's all over the ball flight not good, right, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.920 And so it's I would have a tough time seeing 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.760 him go in the in the first round, but I 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.159 do think someone will, you know, take a chance roll 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.359 the dice in the third which is still higher than 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.880 I think and what do you think of the Colorado 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:02.440 quarterback Cifo. Uh, he's gutsie see a lot of Kaepernick 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.840 with you know, just the play style, kind of a slinger. Yeah, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.560 I mean he is, he's got a good enough arm. Uh. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.359 I don't know that he had the senior year that 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.560 he needed to have. You know, people will forget that 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.600 Davis Webb was almost at Colorado. Uh, you know they 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.240 graduate transfer from Texas Tech, was close to going to Colorado, 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.639 last second change goes to cal But it kind of 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.160 tells you what they thought of their quarterback situation at Colorado. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.919 But Cifo had had the senior season he needed, he 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.720 hasn't been able to stay healthy him. He's a tough 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.600 son of a gun. I watched that Michigan game and 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.040 he got he got about broke him in half, and 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.120 he kept trying to play. To his credit and he's 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.240 a big reason why Colorado had had such a great 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:46.000 season this year after last decade in the basement. So uh, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.120 he's say Mike McIntyre's job. Yeah, he really did them 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.440 in that those corners. He fits one of my favorite 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.720 profiles when I was looking at quarterbacks. Give me a 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.240 four year starter that through thirteen sixteen hundred passes. Those 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.919 giant guys generally make it in this league. You know, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.119 some of them, you know, become Carson Palmer, some of 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.119 them become good south backus. But if the guy's a 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.639 four year starter in a Power five conference and he 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.600 st the scene, everything in college game is thrown at him, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.800 he's generally gonna have a chance to be successful the 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.080 next level. So then Trubisky then would not be on 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.960 your radar one year guy. That concerns me. See that 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.800 happened with Ryan Leaf, and I go all the way. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.760 I going back to Ryan Leaf had a tremendous senior 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.560 season at Washington State in ninety eight, and so you're 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.320 trying to compare him in Manning. And I remember because 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.320 because Sean Payton at the time we were working with Philly. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.560 Sean was like Adam and like, no, not Manny, take Manning. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.720 If you're gonna take a guy, take Manning. The other 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.280 guy is just a one year guy. And here's Sean. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.280 He's a young young coach at the time, and he 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.960 was absolutely right. Well to that point, there's only been 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.320 two quarterbacks strapped in the first round in the since 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.879 nineteen seventy with only one year of starting experience at 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.919 the college level. That's Cam Newton, who obviously had some 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.879 juco experience, right, and then Mark Sanchez who at the 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.600 one year at USC and came out and was at 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.280 the top five pick. But it doesn't happen often. I mean, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.880 so there's something too that this is this. I talked 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.199