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Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on

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Speaker 1: there war room for incenter news and draft analysis from

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Speaker 1: deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star

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Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliott and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, we're

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Speaker 1: just one week away, one short week away from the

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen NFL Draft taking place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us here with Dane Brugler. David Hellman will join

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Speaker 1: us here in a little bit and he's doing some

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Speaker 1: TV work. Dane, Nice to have you back with us today,

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Speaker 1: special episode, Today a special guest, special guest, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna introduce the special guests. And he's really a man

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a Hall of Fame voter. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the most respected to writers covering the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: and he's a pillar of how the NFL Draft is

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Speaker 1: now consumed by fans through the media and uh and

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Speaker 1: really and one of the most important things. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the major reasons why DeMarcus Ware was drafted to

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. You could check out all his fine

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Speaker 1: work with really one of my favorite sites because the

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Speaker 1: interviews and stuff they do. The Talk of Fame Network,

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Speaker 1: it's Rick Goslin. Rick, welcome to the Draft show pleasure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Steam company here. Yeah, well, no, we really do appreciate

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Speaker 1: you being here. And you know, and I you know,

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Speaker 1: and I've my my experienced Dane, I know that you've

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Speaker 1: you've been working, you know, through this draft. My experience

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Speaker 1: with Rick goes all the way back into the early

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Speaker 1: nineties as one of the first when I was working

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Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers. You know, it was his

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Speaker 1: top one hundred that we use to conduct our own

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Speaker 1: mock drafts. We didn't use our own boards, we use

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Speaker 1: this man's sports one of the most connected writers, and

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Speaker 1: I would be I would be proud to scout with him,

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Speaker 1: you know, any day. The connections that he has and

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Speaker 1: the eye that he has for players at thirty thirteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there's always always make this joke about Dane talks

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Speaker 1: about his mock drafts and the goal was always to

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Speaker 1: one year for taking you down. I think it's like

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, one of those years, I mean

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Speaker 1: was that was a prize possession that I beat. The

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Speaker 1: Goose T shirt it's an extra ard, so I can

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Speaker 1: never wear it, but I still have it at home. Okay.

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Speaker 1: In a twenty eleven draft, it's my last mock draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was the only guy in America had all

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Speaker 1: But it's it's such an honor to have you here, Rick,

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Speaker 1: and and and I want I have to get you

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Speaker 1: to tell the story, you know, as we get started here.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned it in the introduction of you about

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Speaker 1: I do want to pick Rick's brain about He's got

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Speaker 1: when who to trust who not to trust, not specifically names,

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Speaker 1: and I've had you know, but but the information was credible.

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't have that huge ceiling, but I think

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Speaker 1: he could be Andy Dalton plus, you know, with what

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Speaker 1: he brings, but he doesn't have the resume that ideally

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Speaker 1: you want a quarterback you're considering top ten like and

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Speaker 1: like I said, I think he's going top ten. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's at three to Chicago, we see

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Speaker 1: a trade up Jets at six, Buffalo at ten, whatever,

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Speaker 1: But I do think Trubisky will be a top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because I'm kind of I wonder in circles

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Speaker 1: if coaches are more scared of Trubisky or more scared

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Speaker 1: of the kid at tech. Yeah, with his with with

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Speaker 1: you know, Mahomes, with things being all over the place

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Speaker 1: technique wise, I mean, which one you got to gamble on?

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Speaker 1: You gonna gamble on the one year guy or you're

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Speaker 1: gonna gamble on the guy who's been a starter but man,

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Speaker 1: his technique and you know year. Those two compared a

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Speaker 1: lot because like Trubisky, but were first round guys one.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, And it's really interesting because you

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Speaker 1: think of Trubisky as like a surefire top ten whereas

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is like a twenty to thirty two. So I

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Speaker 1: like I I don't think about them even in the

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Speaker 1: same conversation that often. But it is interesting, and honestly

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Speaker 1: I feel crazy saying this, but like I think I'd

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Speaker 1: feel better about drafting Mahomes than Trubisky. I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: you're going with a better upside, better upside and the

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Speaker 1: less valuable pick because I don't have to take Mahomes

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Speaker 1: in the top ten. Well, depends how you talk to

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Speaker 1: the Mahomes talk is that's the rails, that's fair about

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Speaker 1: what about the crazy quarterback Rick? What about the guy

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Speaker 1: that has the technique that's all over the place. I

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Speaker 1: mean that you you're really not sure what we mean.

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Speaker 1: You see you see production, but you're like, man, can

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Speaker 1: I can he can that translate into I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think there's some things about Trubisky. You're right, he seems

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Speaker 1: very polished in the way he plays, only played thirteen games.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is just Mahomes reminds me of far in the

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Speaker 1: way the balls going him, or Cutler or any one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. You want to say, is the crazy

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Speaker 1: wing it around guys? You know? I mean, I just

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Speaker 1: wonder what teams Unfortunately, when you draft the guy, you

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Speaker 1: got to play the guy. Yeah. Carson Palmer was a

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Speaker 1: four year starter through for fifteen hundred passes. Philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: four year starter through for six yard pass Yeah. Both

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Speaker 1: of those guys didn't play. They didn't start a game.

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Speaker 1: They threw a fewer than ten passes in the rookie years.

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Speaker 1: That's what you really need. But when you draft a

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Speaker 1: guy in today's NFL, if you take your biscuit three,

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Speaker 1: he's your opening day starter and you can't have to

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Speaker 1: live with all the mistakes. And that the problem a

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Speaker 1: guy with your biscuits, he hasn't seen everything in college

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Speaker 1: game can throw at him? Right, watch less when you

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Speaker 1: dial it up ten times to get with these NFL

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Speaker 1: device coordinator. Let me ask you something in didn't he

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Speaker 1: we're talking about quarterbacks, this is incredible, but the one position, Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's an interesting conversation. And I know

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Speaker 1: we're got to get to Twitter on the twenty here

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Speaker 1: a little bit, just but I want to finish this

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Speaker 1: one then, would you? But you talk about everything the

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Speaker 1: college game is thrown at him? How about Watson in?

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Speaker 1: Because you look at the production, we all we all agree.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about Rick. I know I know this

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Speaker 1: would be me. If I'm watching I'm watching the Alabama game,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching it, I'm watching him. I'm watching the two

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Speaker 1: Alabama games. I'm watching Ohio State games. I'm watching those

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Speaker 1: games with guys I think to play damn good defense

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Speaker 1: that got first round talent playing defense across from him.

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Speaker 1: If he's moving the ball on those cats. When you've

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Speaker 1: got a guy like you know, when you have a

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Speaker 1: guy like Nick Saban over there, we're twirling the defense.

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Speaker 1: See to me, That's where I look at that and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy has a chance to have success. If I

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Speaker 1: was making the call for a team that like it's

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Speaker 1: Watson and then everybody else is like significantly and I

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Speaker 1: don't care about the mechanics or any of that. Like,

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Speaker 1: he's a winner. He's got that Dak Prescott type of

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Speaker 1: like magnetic leadership, personality, charisma, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 1: He's done it against the best repeatedly. He took a

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Speaker 1: program that had had trouble getting over the hump and

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Speaker 1: put them on the mountaintop. Like, I'll take all of

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Speaker 1: that over whatever he needs to work on in terms

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Speaker 1: of like reading the field and stuff, that's where I

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Speaker 1: would start. That's who I wouldn't want leading my team.

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Speaker 1: Can't dispute the resume. I mean, he's he's a winner.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's nothing you can say about that. My

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Speaker 1: biggest issue with Watson is Kenny consistently went from the

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Speaker 1: pocket and in the NFL you have to do that,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think we saw that enough or at

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Speaker 1: least on a consistent level at Clemson. And look, I

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Speaker 1: think Deshaun Watson at some point in the first round. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would draft him. I have him behind Traubisky and

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Speaker 1: Kaiser for me personally, but I get everything you said

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Speaker 1: is right. I mean, nothing you said was get my

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Speaker 1: boy Watson up there to your team in Berea with

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Speaker 1: the offensive line they just invested in. Pick him twelve,

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Speaker 1: get him a running back like he'll be fine. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you the reason I'm glad we're having this

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Speaker 1: quarterback conversation Cowboys. If the Cowboys are interested in trading back,

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Speaker 1: we all agree that there has to be probably a

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Speaker 1: there has to be a quarterback on the board that's

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Speaker 1: somebody like it couldn't make sense. Yeah, is that the

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Speaker 1: easiest route for the Cowboys to get a trade back situation? Right?

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Speaker 1: Or a tackle? I thought offensive tackle too, I thought,

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Speaker 1: but the quarterback would be the number one backs or

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Speaker 1: went spur trades. Okay, the quarterbacks we talked about, Is

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Speaker 1: there a chance that one of those guys is there

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight to get somebody to drive up to

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Speaker 1: take that Pickfterbacks are always over draft. Yeah, exactly surprised.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so you're saying they're gonna have to probably

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Speaker 1: sit if you don't see a quarterback going, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't see a quarterback getting I think there'll be

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks and go. I think quarter quarterbacks are like that.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eleven drafts. Jake Locker wasn't a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: He was eight pick the draft. If he hadn't have

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. You can't stop looking at See. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way that Dallas can die, that

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Speaker 1: they need to die. Who's picking before Dallas right now?

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Speaker 1: Kansas sit at twenty seven exactly, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: to me. Course, he's a wild card. He is, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of maybe a I think he's

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Speaker 1: that Kansas city at twenty seven. It might be a

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Speaker 1: floor for some of these quarterbacks. If my homes would

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Speaker 1: reach that point, I think that would make some sense.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with Watson. So I think there are three

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that will go ahead of pick twenty eight. I

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Speaker 1: think I think Reid would say some uh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And I think John Dorsey, he was with the Packers,

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Speaker 1: he's no, no, you're right, rector of Scout. He's a nut.

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Speaker 1: I got your you gotta worry about. I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants are consideration twenty three and uh and I'm just

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Speaker 1: in at twenty five. He's been parading quarterbacks. See, I

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Speaker 1: was just again, I'm glad we had this conversation because now,

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Speaker 1: I think the listeners have an idea. If you think three,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna go, there's a possibility Dallas is going to

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Speaker 1: be set to sit there at twenty eight. Nobody would

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Speaker 1: have dreamed that Teddy Bridgewater would fall as far as

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Speaker 1: he did. I don't. I mean most people, your best quarterback, Yeah, somebody,

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Speaker 1: somebody will be there. Whether I would guess Kaiser or Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: I bet you one of those two. If I like,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kaiser drive that train, it's possible. I think he's

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Speaker 1: more likely in a second. But just based on what

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Speaker 1: we're hearing, I think that if I had to do

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Speaker 1: my final MOK right now, I say Trabisky's top ten.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm leaning towards Watson at thirteen Arizona. I

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Speaker 1: think they really like him, and I think I think

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Speaker 1: he's a teen's gay. Yeah, like I would feel better

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Speaker 1: with Watson at fifteen that I would risk get three

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Speaker 1: or yeah, yeah, And I think, okay, I like that,

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Speaker 1: And I think we have Mahomes somewhere at twenty three

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Speaker 1: at the Giant Giant there's that minefield when he's seven

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Speaker 1: to Casey, I don't think he gets past that. So

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Speaker 1: and then at twenty eight, you have to worry about. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's the next team that would want a quarterback? New

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Speaker 1: Orleans at thirty two? Yeah, so could a team how

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Speaker 1: about if Cleveland doesn't take win at twelve? Could Cleveland

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Speaker 1: or San Francisco or See, That's what I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get us a spot to dive, and

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I think it has to be

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Speaker 1: a quarterback there. I would think that if four quarterbacks go,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a better group of defensive players sitting there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys. I want all those quarterbacks to go.

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Speaker 1: I want four good players. Okay, you're taking the approach,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna sit. You're not interested. I want I want

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Speaker 1: the best defensive player. I got you, Pass Rusher, I

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Speaker 1: got you. It's a fair point. All right, Good enough,

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Speaker 1: we'll do our best answer. Question. Yeah, we got some

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Speaker 1: good ones. Goose previewing this as smoke Week because that's

672
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Speaker 1: the type of stuff that we're starting to heart. What

673
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Speaker 1: I didn't Wow, I wouldn't even talk about that. But yes,

674
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Speaker 1: thank you, Brian. Um, I'm not even gonna touch that. Alan, Alan,

675
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Speaker 1: you get away with it. Alan wants to know what

676
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: the likelihood is we're starting to hear these types of

677
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: things what's the likelihood that Derek Barnett falls into the

678
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys range? Okay, I feel like you're starting to hear

679
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: people that well Man, people don't love him as much

680
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Speaker 1: as maybe you think maybe Charles Harris goes ahead of

681
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: Derek Barnett. Well, I think that's possible. Yeah, but I

682
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: still don't think that he falls outside of the top twenty.

683
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Speaker 1: I mean, what by range do you mean possible trade up?

684
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: He actually Alan said twenty eight. I don't think that's doable,

685
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe twenty if he gets around twenty two,

686
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four. Yeah, I mean I don't think it.

687
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll happen. But the fact that Barnett

688
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: has not worked out well, um, and I think that

689
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: was expected. He's not expected to be a big tester,

690
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: a great tester. But I mean thirty three sacks in

691
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: the SEC and he broke record. Yeah, I mean the

692
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: pass rush savvy that he brings. I just have a

693
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Speaker 1: hard time believing he falls out of top twenty. Rick,

694
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: what's your experience about these defensive ends. Yes, Russias don't

695
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: slide exactly when the run starts. If if Thomas goes

696
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: high and that run starts, they're gonna go quickly. There

697
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: have been In two thousand and eleven there were thirteen

698
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: front seven pass right type players that went yeah, and

699
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: then one year and uh three, three, ten, thirteen, fifteen, sixteen,

700
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty eight. I mean there could be seven

701
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: pass rushers gone yeah before the Cowboys going o'clock, and

702
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: then do you take the eighth pass rusher? He's take

703
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: a third corner. Yeah, that's that's gonna be. That's that's

704
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: how a cornerback winds up on this team at twenty eight. Well,

705
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, that maybe, like Rick was

706
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: talking about, we've we've all mentioned what you know, t

707
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: J Watt a bunch here, and maybe if the guy slides,

708
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: we have to check on the health of Tack McKinley.

709
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of hearing some whispers that he

710
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: might start on pup no guarantee or season. Yeah, no season.

711
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: It no guarantee that he will even be for the

712
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: training camp or be the first six games of the season.

713
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: So are you gonna go ahead if if he slides,

714
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: are you gonna go ahead and take that and say, Okay,

715
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: we got him for the year. But he's only going

716
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: to play ten games. And that's why I think we

717
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: need to talk more about Tis Bowser. UHC Houston. Yeah,

718
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Dane with the segue, smile on your face, love it.

719
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I just love natural transitions. Because we're getting here, We're

720
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Speaker 1: getting into crunch time. Yeah, And Jacob wants to know

721
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: who do you think the Cowboys value more on their board,

722
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: Kevin King or Tias Bowser warnerback from Washington or Thias

723
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: Bowser the defensive end from Houston. Good question. Um, pass

724
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: rush is King, obviously, it's well you said King, not

725
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: just get Ron King anyway, Yeah, aside from quarterback, is

726
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: the most important position on your roster, and so I

727
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: guess it depends on you know, how much do you

728
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: love Bowser? Because I think we both agree Bowsers more

729
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: of a second round guy. I think so. Um, but

730
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: when you watch him at Houston US an outside linebacker

731
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: in that three or fourth scheme, you know he was

732
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: basically a Ferrari that they kept in the garage. Yeah.

733
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: They did not let him get after the quarterback. They

734
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: did not let him on a consistent, consistent basis he

735
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: had dropped put him in the flat. I mean, just

736
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: really kind of a disservice to him. But at sixty

737
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: three two hundred forty seven pounds, it's a four to

738
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: sixth athlete. It just don't make guys like that because

739
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: that can move. I mean, there's a good chance bowsers

740
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: off the board at that point. But if he's available

741
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, I don't know. What do you think,

742
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: Kevin King? Who? Yeah, I would think that King. But Rick,

743
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. You talked about those

744
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: defensive ends in your history of the draft. You know,

745
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: and you've watched this football team. You were there for

746
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: all the games. Yeah, obvious problem here in the corner

747
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: or star defensive end. You don't take a pass rusher there.

748
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: You're not going to get anywhere near the quality at sixty.

749
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass rusher. You're going to get a good

750
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: cornerback at sixty. But if you pass on a pass

751
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: rusher at twenty eight, there may be another seven or

752
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: eight that go before you go on a clock. And

753
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: now you're talking in the back of the second round.

754
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: We want the eighteenth best pass rushing his draft. Yeah,

755
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: I think you can get a good quality of corner.

756
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: You can probably get a good corner third round. Yeah,

757
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: I think to your point, my my board that we

758
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: put on for one oh five three, I think we

759
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: had seventeen right ends one rounds one through seven, and

760
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: then had twenty six corners rounds one through So to

761
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: your point, you know, you probably want to draft that

762
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: defensive end first and then turn around and try and

763
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: grab the corner second. I just don't like projects like

764
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: and don't like projects of Bowser. Yeah, like he doesn't.

765
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't wow me. And I know you're picking at

766
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: twenty eight, but he hasn't wow me as like a

767
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: ready maid. I don't think he's not. He's he's a

768
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: guy that you know, yeah right, yeah, and that's I don't.

769
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: I love the idea of Kevin King just I think

770
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. I think he's ready to step

771
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: right in there so real quick. On the Cowboys board,

772
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: you think they would go, I lean pass rush. I do,

773
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: and I think that that if coach Marin only lash

774
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: about those fair that's a loud voice. That's a good

775
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: nugget right to push the needle strongly pass rush. I mean,

776
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I think they would do pass rush. But I'd rather

777
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: have the better corner than they Okay, better to be

778
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: able to cover for six seconds. I'll tell you what.

779
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go opposite of you guys. I'm gonna go opposite.

780
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: I think they would value King more than Bowser. Okay,

781
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: that's just me. King will be a higher player in

782
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, that's what I'm that's what I'm thinking.

783
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: If there's stack, if there's stack, I think that King

784
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: will have a higher grade. But you're right, Mary Delly

785
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: carries a big stick. Is it not window dressing your

786
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: board to be like, well, we pass rush as King

787
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: and we need it. So let's take this guy that

788
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: he's not as good as Kevin King. I'll just say

789
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: that and like, right now, ready made. This guy's as good.

790
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: This guy is about that. He's about as following the

791
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: board as you can right here. I know, I know

792
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: my colleague here, as Rick pointed out, who you know,

793
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: if if you really want an impact pass rusher, who

794
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna get in a second round and you

795
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: have to you don't know that's fair. I like what

796
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: you guys are saying. I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna

797
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: take It's a crappy situation to put yourself in if

798
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: you don't get that pass rusher at twenty eight. But

799
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: are the pass rushers on this team good enough that

800
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: a corner would help them? I guess that's where we

801
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: have our opinions. But yeah, what they believe that this

802
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: coaching staff, which way do they believe about the current

803
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: personnel on the roster. Yeah, that's knowing your team. Don't

804
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: make that mistake. We talked about that yesterday on on

805
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys break. If you can't evaluate your own team,

806
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: you might you can't draft and say it's the pass

807
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: rush on this team is mediocre. But you're being kind.

808
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean they had thirty six. I think they finished

809
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: one one sack ahead of the Giants. They finished thirteenth

810
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: in the league. Um, just segway there for you. Well, actually, no,

811
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: not really, because he's we're not talking about pass rush here,

812
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: John says. Um, other than Lattimore, who I think most

813
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: people would agree will be long gone, which corner would

814
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: be the most likely for you to get at twenty eight?

815
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Because we can talk all day about Kevin King, I'm

816
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: not convinced to leaven be there. No, I think he's

817
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: I think after you get past Lattimore, there's two through

818
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: ten you're guessing. I think there's gonna be a different

819
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: order depending on what team you talk to, based on

820
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: what scheme they want. Um, I think Marlon Humphrey will

821
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: be high for some teams and lower for others. And

822
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: so I could see him, you know, being there at

823
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: about tankerusly that's another guy. Yeah, I think that's that's

824
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: to me, that's too high. He's a guy a second

825
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: round he no, no, I understand, but but but but

826
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: I believe based on scheme, based on schemes, somebody, somebody

827
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: who's a press man scheme could say we value tankerously

828
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: more than we value Tabor. Question, you know where I

829
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: would take Tabor? You know, tabs, tabors in play for me,

830
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Tabor is definitely in play. And I know the pre show,

831
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Rick and we were talking about you know, you even

832
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: made up the point Hayward four six one, you know

833
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl corner. You know they had four six one

834
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: speed coming out. I believe Vanderbilt, all right, yeah, Vanderbilt. Yeah,

835
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: but again he was a second round pick because of that. Yeah,

836
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Abe will be a second round pick because of that.

837
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler South or West Alabama. Yeah, he was a

838
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: four six two yea Pro Day, Yeah, undrafted, So yeah,

839
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: it's there are examples of corners that have run poorly.

840
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: But again, one of the other reasons I kind of

841
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: moved tabored down and why I think he'll be in

842
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the second round is the interview process. It did. Yeah,

843
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: you're hurting him more on the interview process and the

844
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: four six one speed combination of both. I mean it's

845
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: I think that it's I think he was protected by

846
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: that Florida scheme, protected by some of those other players

847
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: on that defense. Um, and so I do have some

848
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: questions about you know, because he thrives on and he's

849
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: not a technique speed guy. He thrives on instincts and

850
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of the feel of the game.

851
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: And you can get burned in the NFL if you're

852
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: a corner and that's what you rely on. So I

853
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: like Tabor just uh, twenty eight. It is a little

854
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: rich for me, but this team might disagree. The less

855
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: you have of a pass rush, the more speed you

856
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: needed corner. Right. Absolutely, here's a segue for you going

857
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: back to the pass round show. This is something that

858
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: we we've talked a lot about twenty eight, but this

859
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: is not something we've talked about. Question from a real

860
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: quick Tabor at sixty. I would be surprised, but I

861
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: don't think it's it's not impossible. You don't think it's

862
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: you think it's possible. I think it is possible, but

863
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: I would be surprised. I mean, I think it's more

864
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: likely he goes somewhere top fifty mid second round. Okay,

865
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: it's okay. It's a long wait to sixty. That's that's

866
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: the thing I keep coming back to. Three Turkey sandwich

867
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: is right there. Fifteen guys that we love are going

868
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: to come off the board, like between forty and sixty. Yeah.

869
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: I think the second round is gonna be incredibly fun. Oh,

870
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to be applied. Let

871
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: me let me a really am question because I'm sorry

872
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: it pertains to that. Okay, you're good, I promise you

873
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: all right, you're in a friend of the show. Jonah, Hello, Jonah.

874
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: More likely that they trade back from twenty eight or

875
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: trade up from sixty, and we've seen them do that.

876
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: We've talked about the DeMarcus Lawrence trade before. Maybe you

877
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: don't get your pass rusher at twenty eight and so

878
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: maybe you use draft cat to get up to forty

879
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: four or something. And get a better pass. Yeah. It's

880
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: just told me I need to sit there at sixty

881
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: and maybe get a guy. Huh. You tell me. It

882
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: depends on who's who's who's dropping, who's you might have

883
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: your your radar radar. I think if you can find

884
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: a way to move up, uh, you know, six seven

885
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: spots and give up your fourth rounder, yeah, then that's

886
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: something you consider. I mean you don't. I don't want

887
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: to give up that third rounder. I think that's an

888
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: NFL starter this year. Yeah, but if you can, they've

889
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: done it before though, two right two is the third Yeah, yeah,

890
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm just for my personal opinion, I'm I'm not trading

891
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: that third rounder. Uh. If I can move up you know,

892
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: six seven, eight spots and give up a fourth for

893
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: the right player, I should be considered. Would be reluctant

894
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: to trade up this Yeah, I think you need there

895
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: are too many needs if you're one player away. I

896
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: think he looks strong at trading up with. This team

897
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: has too many needs and that fourth rounder last year

898
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: was Dak Prescott. If I can, if I can interest

899
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: you whole look at that. If I can interest you

900
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: and going back and getting a four. You guys in

901
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: from twenty eight, like, yeah, back, going back, it will

902
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: four entice you to go back. That's not enough. I'm

903
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: trading out of the first round. I want to than

904
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: a four. I want a third. Yeah, I think it'd

905
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: been give you more than that. Yes, if you're moving back, okay,

906
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it. If you're a small, I'm a small.

907
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: I went I'm going to Cleveland. I told you I

908
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: was going to Cleveland, and I'm not going to jail. Hey,

909
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: Sashi Brown, you've got twelve freaking picks. Give me a

910
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: third rounder. I don't care if it's fair or not

911
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: that you guys are billing for a four. No, I'm

912
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: not giving up the fifth year option for that. Let's

913
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: look at Cleveland. Cleveland's got thirty three and fifty two

914
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: and sixty five and sixty five. I want sixty five

915
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: sixty five. I don't know if they give that up

916
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: to move up. How many spots you're moving down trying

917
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: to get I'm going down five spots, So go to Cleveland.

918
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: Thirty three. What's after sixty five? Do you have that?

919
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: They're picks? Yeah, one oh eight, No, give me sixty

920
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: five if you want my first round. I don't think

921
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: that that's the first pick in the third round. Maybe

922
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe they wouldn't. But if you, I mean,

923
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: let's the first pick in the third round, got sixty five,

924
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what pick he wants. He wants one

925
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: oh eight? Is that the first pick in this and

926
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: then start the second day or third day? Those first

927
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: ten picks the second day? What about? Oh that's the

928
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: third day? Yeah? About one to wait and get your five? Okay,

929
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: you don't have a five, right, yeah, you need a five? Maybe?

930
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean it is it's the first pick, and so

931
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna take it's four and five and take is

932
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: four to five. Yeah, you can you take one to

933
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: eight and forty five one forty five if I can

934
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: get one to weight, because I think you can turn

935
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: around and trade one to weight, Yeah, and get a couple,

936
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: get a couple of fours. That's when I play hardball

937
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: and I say, yeah, I know you're overpaying, but we

938
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: like you might not get How much fun is that

939
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: to start the third day with a high pick. Yeah?

940
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: That glorious. Y'all stack your board? What y'all are whimps

941
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: like steam higher? No? No, I've just dream higher. I

942
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: just want I just want a high pick to start

943
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: the third day on a third day. Oh start. I

944
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: love the third day. I used to get calls in

945
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: New York from games. Give me the ten, give me

946
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: the next ten players, give you the next ten players.

947
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: That's and then you see trade going on. Oh you

948
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: see me, because those guys are first day pick. Let

949
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: me tell you what I've seen. Guys call and offer

950
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: next year's two to get one of those early fourth

951
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: round picks. Okay, but you know, I mean I'll give

952
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: you next years too, And I've seen no. No, we'n

953
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: stand here and pick a guy before we get too far?

954
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Is this a completely unreasonable expectation, though? I mean, okay,

955
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: let's say they don't get their pass rusher at twenty eight,

956
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: and then Carl Lawson it's you know, he's there at

957
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: like forty he's there for some reason, he's there forty six.

958
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: Or the guy Brandon Graham, your favorite player, Taco Charlton

959
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: is sliding unexpectedly. I mean, you don't. Maybe they give up.

960
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: That's justin tuck, you give you give up ninety two

961
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: to go get a guy who can be either a

962
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: starter or a serious contributor on your defensive line. I

963
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: think they would do that. Would you give up a

964
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: third round pick if I assured you that I could

965
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: get Justin Tuck, if I could get a player similar

966
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: to Justin Tuck, if you can't give me that insurance? Since, secondly,

967
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: I think I have fun with me Rick. I think

968
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I think they need three starters in the first d rounds.

969
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: I think they would prefer that, but I think they would.

970
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: I think they could sell Jerry and say, we've covered

971
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: our bases, We've signed these guys were not totally screwed

972
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: at any position. Let's go, or they got more, let's go,

973
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: let's go get our eight sack a year, right, ind

974
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: who can help the Marcus Lawrence and and they'll I

975
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: mean maybe you'll disagree, but they'll sell it to us

976
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: as like we got two big time impact players that

977
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: are two biggest positions of need. So what if we

978
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: had to get rid of our third Like I can

979
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: see that with crystal clarity. I'm not saying it will happen,

980
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Nothing would surprised

981
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: me out of this draft room. Yeah wait a minute, now,

982
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: but you remember last year that it's a fair point

983
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: almost trading up for Paxton Lynch and that ended. Jerry

984
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: hates as much as you love it and I love it,

985
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: Jerry hates just standing there and right. Oh no, no, no,

986
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: Jarry can't still do it. Trust me. I sat there

987
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: with him when we didn't have a first round pick

988
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: for two straight years. I thought he literally I didn't

989
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: want to stand next to because I thought he was

990
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: gonna grab somebody's throat and just start because we gave up.

991
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: It was the we gave up the first year for

992
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: the Joey Galloway trade. It was eighteenth overall. Then we

993
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: did so great that it became the next pick was

994
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: the seventh pick overall. And I really that's why we

995
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: just want to Joey Galloway trade. We gave two ones. Yeah,

996
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: back to back years. What yeah, that eat exactly. That's

997
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: why I'm sitting here doing radio with you right now.

998
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: What exactly? Charm? Oh me? Oh boy? But well, thank

999
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: you very much. You get one more question? Yeah we can.

1000
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean we're running up on time, but I mean

1001
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm okay with one more question. Um, I'm trying to

1002
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: get the fans question, all right. I also want to

1003
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: real quick when you look up a question. I want

1004
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: to encourage it. If you're out there, you want to call.

1005
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: You know, these guys don't bite eight eight eight eight

1006
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: five five two two ninety seven. I mean light Kent

1007
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: Garrison up. And you know, if you have a question

1008
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: for Dane, Rick, David myself, just feel free to call in.

1009
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: We'll try and finish the show out with some calls

1010
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: if we can't get them. But eight eight eight eight

1011
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. It's on the screen

1012
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: right there, calls if you can. Just in the interest

1013
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: of playing the Devil's advocate it Nick's and we've talked

1014
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: about this before, but it's been a while. I think

1015
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: we've been zeroed in on defense for a long time.

1016
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, but Nick wants to know three offensive

1017
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: players at twenty eight that you either wouldn't or couldn't

1018
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: pass on for one reason or another. And I know

1019
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: we both said we would pass on Joeku. This morning, Yeah,

1020
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: we had a mail bag where, you know, somebody asked

1021
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: about it, Joku the tight end from Miami and would

1022
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: you pass on a tight end? Okay, we'll throw out

1023
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: a tight in there. Well, okay, thro throw out a

1024
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Well, Corey did all the ankle is Corey

1025
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Davis is another one. Ross is another one. Ross the

1026
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver from Washington. Tell you it's talking to teams.

1027
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: He John Ross is a butt player. Oh he's awesome.

1028
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: But I like that player. He's so fast, he's gonna

1029
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: he's a dynamic weapon. But I mean he the injuries,

1030
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: the medicals, the fact that he's just undersized to begin with.

1031
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: That's something that he could go top ten. He can

1032
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: go nine to Cincinnati. I wouldn't be surprised. He could

1033
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: fall out of the first round and be surprised. He's

1034
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: also return guy, yeah, which which is an undervalued trait

1035
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: on the people. Do you want him taking those hits

1036
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: all set up in a minute, you know, extra hits

1037
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: in a first round pick. It's rocket ismail, Yeah, that's fair.

1038
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they would use a first round pick

1039
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: in the return game. Like people bring that up about

1040
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: a Dory Jackson. See Dorry Jackson, that's the that's it. Yeah,

1041
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson, that's the that's the thing. Everybody talks about

1042
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: him at twenty eight. Would you do it with the

1043
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson? Would you pick him to be the third

1044
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: fourth corner and be your return gay. But going back

1045
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: to the original question with offense, I think Corey Davis

1046
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: in that ankle. It's kind of in limbo right now.

1047
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: We haven't seen him work out. Probably won't be able

1048
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: to work out. See hers slide a little bit too,

1049
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: don't they if the if somehow he's still available at

1050
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: twenty eight? Okay, go to the trainers, go to the

1051
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: medical staff. What's the bag? What's going on? Tell me

1052
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: is this a long term issue? Yeah, we're gonna be

1053
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: okay if they tell me it's okay. I'm not hesitating.

1054
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: You you turn in the car and you take Corey Davis. Yeah,

1055
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: you figure out me. You could talk me into Davis,

1056
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: Howard and Samuel I love Howard. I love him. I

1057
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: don't think the first round ten years from now. M.

1058
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Greg Olson and Bill Polly silly thinks he's Jason Winton.

1059
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: Bill Poyd's a Hall of Fame GM. He's a very

1060
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: think high floor player. You know, he's you have your

1061
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: favorite idea, what you're getting, do me a favor. We

1062
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: hear about the high floor, high ceiling and all that stuff.

1063
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: Explain exactly what that is to like Finn Layman's terms

1064
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: with the folks out there. If if we say a

1065
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: player is a high floor guy, what does that mean?

1066
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: To me? It means, you know what you're getting where

1067
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: he is right now as a player. Uh, projects that

1068
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of his floor, that's you know, what he's

1069
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: going to be at the next level. That's what he is.

1070
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: He is what he is right now. Not all high

1071
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: four players have high ceilings, you know. It's kind of

1072
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: that that we talk about. We throw around words like

1073
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: upside and potential. Not every prospect has that. Not every

1074
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: prospect gets markedly better at the pro level. Some guys

1075
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: are near their peak in terms of being finished products,

1076
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: and so being a high floor player is not necessarily

1077
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: a bad thing, right because you know you're already a

1078
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: darn good player. I think Jamal Adams LSUC, Yeah, there

1079
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: you go. I think he's a high floor player, right.

1080
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's got a ceiling too though. Yeah, he

1081
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: does the ceiling. But I do think that you're more

1082
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: excited about his floor than you are about his ceiling. Yeah.

1083
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: To me, that it's still going to get him draft

1084
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: at top ten. So you know it's upside and potential. Uh,

1085
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's no forty yard dash that can measure that, right,

1086
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: it's something that it's feel, it's scouting, and that's where

1087
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: the scouts earned their money. Yeah, I love a high

1088
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: floor way more than a high like potential scares the

1089
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: crap out of me. You want a ready made guy, right,

1090
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: I want a ready made guy, especially at twenty eights

1091
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: risk reward. That's the name of the draft. Maybe, what

1092
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: would you say, Malik McDowell, Michigan State goes Spartans over there,

1093
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: Rick Goslin, Malik McDowell, tell us a little bit about

1094
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: Malik McDowell because as an alum of Michigan State, you know,

1095
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: you guys have had a hell of a run and

1096
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: then last year not so good. Thoughts on Malie McDowell though,

1097
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: he takes plays off. Yeah, and I think when when

1098
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: they were competing for national titles and balls, he was

1099
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: dominating player. But when that team went in the tank

1100
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: last year, So you worry about that, huh? He did too. Yeah,

1101
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: I think there's no question about it. In the first round. Concerned,

1102
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: but he'll go in the first round. Yeah, he's a

1103
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: good looking guy. You watched him early in the season

1104
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame and somebody's Indiana. Oh my gosh, he's

1105
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: a good time player. I would argue he's a top

1106
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: five talent in his class. He's that that high floor

1107
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: or is he is? He is what he is? Oh?

1108
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean I don't the floor is what you don't know? Yeah,

1109
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: I mean because he could, you know, once he gets

1110
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: some NFL coaching and you know, who knows what he

1111
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: could end up. And he's only twenty years old. Sure,

1112
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: we have to remember we're talking about twenty year old

1113
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: A lot of mcdal doesn't turn twenty one till the summer,

1114
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: so he's still very young. Thomas both are twenty, right,

1115
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: who's that Thomas from Stanford? Sama Thomas? Yeah, I think

1116
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: he is. Judicius Schuster doesn't turn twenty one until November. Yeah,

1117
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: he's the youngest guy in the draft. Yeah, Curtis Samuel's

1118
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: only twenty rum So I think there's like eleven guys

1119
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: that are who twenty years old when they're drafted. Can

1120
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: McDowell play You're all important, right end, I think you

1121
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: play anywhere on that. I do think he could play anywhere.

1122
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about him? Was a

1123
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: pass rusher, He can be dominant, he can do whatever

1124
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: he wants. You play en tackle. If he wants to right,

1125
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: if he wants to six, I would I would like

1126
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: him if I got JJ Watt in my locker room. Yeah.

1127
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: If he's coming in and you're expecting him to be

1128
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: one of the leaders, if he can come in under

1129
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: a water one of the elite players, I think he'd

1130
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: be a much better player. But if he comes in

1131
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: as the star, then you've got problem. Let me ask

1132
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: you at twenty eight he's available, what do you think

1133
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: pass up? Maybe we're not talking enough about that, and

1134
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean and he by the way, we've got it.

1135
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: By the way, we've got draft shows next week to

1136
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday leading up to the draft, so we'll

1137
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: get into some more that stuff. He's a guy we'd

1138
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: need to talk about. Malik McDowell from Michigan State can't.

1139
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you. I know, we got just about

1140
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: three minutes. Is there anybody that called in and wants

1141
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: to visit me? Do have a caller? Lee in Atlanta? Lee?

1142
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you're on the draft show. Hey guys, what

1143
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: are you doing? Good? Thanks? Three quick points? Matt, you

1144
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: stole my thunder on the leak. I'll tell you what

1145
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: if I'm going to give coach Rod an attitude issue.

1146
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him Tabor. I'm giving him a leak

1147
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: because he would be up the leak, you know what,

1148
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: all day every day. So if he is there, please

1149
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: go get that guy. My question about that is, is

1150
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: Ben Mala, David Irving or Demontree more better than the

1151
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: sixth or seventh pass rusher and this draft? And then

1152
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: my other question is, I know Jordan Lewis is short,

1153
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: but if you watched Tabor play against Michigan in the

1154
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: Bowl game last year, he got torched. I'm sorry. The

1155
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: year before, he got absolutely destroyed. If you watched the tape,

1156
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: just watch Jordan Lewis on tape. He is going to

1157
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: make some coach, defensive secondary coach extremely extremely happy. Thanks guys,

1158
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll head out. Thank you appreciate the call. Sounding like

1159
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: a man who lives in Michigan because he got a

1160
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: Michigan state question in there, and he's got a Michigan

1161
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: question in there too. Maybe so when he said he's

1162
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: from Atlanta, yeah, that's down there. They're doing good things.

1163
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: I was super high. Like the only reason that I'm

1164
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: not thinking about Jordan Lewis anymore is because of the

1165
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: DV stuff. That's scared me off, because I mean, he

1166
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: was great at the Senior Bowl. I thought he was

1167
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: really impressive. I liked him and just I'm a big

1168
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: Dan Lewis. You are a fan of his, Yeah, I

1169
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: think he's short, but he has decent arm length and

1170
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: you want, yeah, his film's great. Is any of that

1171
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: cleared up? I mean, do we know what's going on

1172
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: that we've heard? Yeah, we need to dig on that

1173
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: a little bit further, something that teams will have to

1174
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: kind of do a little bit overtime to figure out

1175
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: what's going on. That's that's a non starter for me.

1176
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: These defensive ends he mentioned, you know, in these defensive

1177
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: ends better than say like uh say like Rivers, you know,

1178
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: I think from Youngstown or Basham from from Ohio. That's

1179
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: kind of the logic I've been using during this whole

1180
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: draft process is when you're talking about the back end

1181
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: of the round. I'm not I'm never trying to sell

1182
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: anybody that the guys here are all pros, but are

1183
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: is the guy you get at sixty gonna be better

1184
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: than the guys that are already here. If you were

1185
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: drafting in twelfth and you could get Derek Barnett, it

1186
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: would be a different story. But I wonder if the

1187
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: talent level here is, if not better than, at least

1188
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: just as good as whatever you're going to get at

1189
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: the back end of the round. But the draft is

1190
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: all but drafting hope. You're hoping, you're and that's I

1191
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: mean you drafted, you're giving your fans hope. You would

1192
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: be hoping that one of these guys can blossom into

1193
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: something much better, right. I think it's expectations, you know,

1194
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: for the rookie season, and then down the line. I

1195
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 1: think there's five rookies ever who have had double digit

1196
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: sacks in a season. Yeah, I mean it's it's not

1197
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: a very high number, it's you know, these guys are ya,

1198
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 1: it's one of the early ones. I remember the least

1199
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: favorite player ever, Joey Bosa. Yeah, and so at sixty

1200
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: I was wrong about Joey Bosa. I'm just gonnadmit that

1201
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: at sixty you're not going to get a player I

1202
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: don't think, in my opinion, that's going to instantly or

1203
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: quickly become the best pass rusher on your team. But

1204
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, I think it's possible, depending on who's there.

1205
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean, j you had JJ walt to this, to

1206
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: this roster, and I think that you know from jan

1207
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: what I'm sorry? Yeah, I'm like, whoa if you had

1208
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: t J wat to the roster. Uh, he might not

1209
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: be the guy from day one, but maybe midway through

1210
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: the season he might merge as your top pass rusher. Yeah.

1211
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Tho's Big ten kids. You gotta like them. Oh sure, yeah,

1212
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: plenty of talent in that least. It's plenty of talent

1213
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: in the Big ten. Rick, thank you so much for

1214
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: joining us today. That's all we have time for the

1215
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: draft show today. Again, I want to thank Rick Goslin

1216
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: for coming in and spending some stories, giving us some philosophy.

1217
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: I always appreciate. He's one of my dear friends and

1218
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: I always uh used him as a great resource this

1219
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: time a year. He's one of the guys you can

1220
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: absolutely believe in his in his work. I want to

1221
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: also thank Dame Brugler At, David Hellman and Kent Garrison

1222
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: for the executive producing. Uh. We're gonna be on next

1223
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday draft shows coming for nothing on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

1224
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: and then we've got three days of draft coverage Thursday, Friday,

1225
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: Saturday on Dallas Cowboys to every time, every pick, every

1226
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: so be along with us for that. Okay, for all

1227
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: my friends here, let's been a draft show. Take care of.

1228
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. M