WEBVTT - Candace Owens' Hollywood Tabloid Pivot feat. Bridget Todd 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:07.240 Cool Media. Welcome to it could happen here, the show 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.240 about Things Falling Apart. I'm Garrison Davis and I'm joined 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.400 today by a special guest host, Richard's Todd. Welcome back 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:15.880 to the show. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.160 Ah, thank you so much for having me. I am 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.520 completely excited to be here. I am a listener of 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.520 the show, so it feels like getting to be on 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.160 a show that I actually freak out too often. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.160 And I'm very excited for you to be here because 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.520 you have a special report on one of the people 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:38.240 who I've been cyberstalking for years, and I'm very excited 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.800 to hear the details of what she's been up to 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.360 these past few weeks. I kind of know the rough 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.320 overview because again because of my cyberstalking, but I've not 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.080 done a deep dive the way you have, so I'm 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.000 very excited to hear an update on this on this character. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.200 So it sounds like we are in a similar place 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.960 when it comes to this person, and this person is 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.000 none other than Candice Owens. First of all, what are 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.440 her thoughts on her? Because I am low key fascinated 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.240 with her. I follow her on social media, I watch 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:07.639 her videos like I am. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.720 Like weirdly captivated by her. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:14.080 I mean I've I've covered her mostly through her involvement 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.880 with Daily Wire. I've talked a little bit about kind 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.839 of how that'll fell apart, you know, like a year 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.120 and a half ago or so. I've talked a little 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.040 bit about her involvement in Turning Point USA with Charlie Kirk. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.080 And she's just kind of been one of like these 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.120 like randomly, you know, like like orbiters of like the 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.039 online like right wing content sphere for like I don't know, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.200 the past six years at least, and I typically focus 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.319 more on like you know, like the Ben Shapiro's, the 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.720 Matt Walsh's, you know, back in the day, the Stephen 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.680 Crowders and stuff. But Cannis was always just like around 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.120 and like she definitely like went after a different demographic 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.040 than what like my usual focuses, right, Like I'm focused 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.960 on like what's going on with straight white men, Like 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.880 why why are they like this? And who who is 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.840 targeting them? You know, and that's you know, that's like 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.320 the Matt Walsh, Stephen Crowder kind of angle. Like Candace 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.440 Owens has like a kind of a broader net that 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.280 she targets with her content, So like she's always kind 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.040 of come up as like a side character. I don't 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.440 think I've ever done like a distinct focus on her 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.680 before besides just you know whatever kind of crazy post 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.120 or like you know, anti trans or like very like 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.560 weird like racist rank that she goes on like every 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:22.240 once in a while. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.760 Yes, so there is so much to talk about when 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.200 it comes to Candace Owens. I'm sort of like you, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.079 like I sort of saw her as a side character, 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.480 but only recently have I realized, like, oh, people in 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.440 my life are listening to Candace Owens and citing Candace 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.280 Owens and they have no idea any about her, anything 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.079 about her backstory. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.560 Yeah, all the stuff that you that you were just 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:43.240 talking about. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.600 She's like reinvented herself like multiple times. And you know, 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.480 some people who mainly come at this from like the 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.720 anti fascist research perspective might not be aware of her 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.520 like latest rebrand, which is what I'm excited to hear 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.800 about today. Yes, I just remembered how she had that 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.440 whole event with Kanye when she did to her like 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.680 BLM documentary that was a whole other Candace era. Yeah 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:05.400 so much, My. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.560 God, I have to say I was like low key 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.040 embarrassed for her because like during her Kanye West era, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.840 she was like, Kanye West designed the Katore outfits for 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.600 my Blexit movement, and Kanye West was like, no, I 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.800 fucking didn't, And like I was like, Oh, They're so 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.680 embarrassing that you like that, you like publicly aligned yourself 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.800 with Kanye West, only for him to basically like diss 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.720 you publicly right after yeah. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.960 And then come out as like an explicit neo Nazi 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:35.840 like two weeks later. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.280 Yes, yes, uh, Candace girl. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.440 So I want to talk about her, like, I don't 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.560 want to spend too much time on her background, but 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.280 there are some pieces that I think like are good 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.520 for understanding kind of who she is, this chameleon figure 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.920 that she's been totally If there is not like a 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.240 behind the bastard's on her, do you know, if there is, 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.680 there should be If there's not not. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.120 Yet, Like similarly on Bastards, she's been one of one 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.720 of these like recurring characters. Oh my god, but she 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.280 she is had a distinct focus. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.480 Robert Evans, get on it, because we need the Candace 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.000 Owens behind the bastard. So Candicce grew up in Stanford, Connecticut. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.680 While she was a student there, she went through this 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.800 horrible sounding racial harassment. A classmate left her like this 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.200 racist death threat on her voicemail. That turned into like 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.440 a pretty serious local scandal because it turned out the 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.160 student who made that threat via voicemail. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.880 Did so in a car with a group of. 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.800 Students that included the sun of the then mayor and 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.560 then future Democratic governor of Connecticut, Daniel molloy. So she 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.840 got tons of support from the local chapter of the NAACP, 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.760 and her family ended up suing the Stamford Board of 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.640 Education in federal court for failing to protect her rights, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.560 resulting in a thirty seven thousand, five hundred dollars settlement. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.159 She went on the studied journalism at University of Rhode 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.560 Island before dropping out. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.160 This is like the early two thousands. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.479 Yes, this was like young like baby Candace high school 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.040 Candace before she was the Candace Owen that we you 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.040 know today. Yeah, so I sort of like almost see 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.640 a little bit of myself and where she got her 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.920 start like me. She was an early adopter of using 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.400 the Internet to talk about things like race and politics 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.320 like me. That also seemed to sort of manifest in 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.680 a lot of like low hanging fruit shit posts on 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.760 the early days of blogging, Like in twenty fifteen, she 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.120 was writing blogs making fun of Trump's penis size. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.479 Sure, many such cases. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:28.600 Yes, many such cases. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.479 So in twenty fifteen, Owens is running a blog called 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.240 Degree one eighty where she wrote pieces criticizing conservative Republicans, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.440 writing about the quote that shit crazy antics of the 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.880 Republican tea Party. The good news is they will eventually 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.400 die off peacefully and in their sleep, we hope, and 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.880 then we can get right on with the obvious social 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.000 change that needs to happen immediately, she wrote on her blog. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.919 So back then she was really someone who had like 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.560 a progressive point of view and was doing a lot 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.159 of public writing about what she was saying and experiencing 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.320 in politics at the time. Yeah. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.200 No, this is something that I guess some people might 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.640 not know if they've only like become aware of her 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.200 through daily wires. Yeah, Like in the pre twenty sixteen 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.159 like BuzzFeed internet kind of sphere, she was just like 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.040 one of like these people who would yeah, have like 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:22.960 like you know, progressive like ish takes, criticize embarrassing like politicians, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.239 and like overtly racist stuff happening, and then the degree 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.120 to which this this like heel turn happens is like 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.479 one of the most stark examples I've seen in like 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.320 a I don't know, I'm trying to think of it. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.320 If there's like any like exact parallel, I don't know, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.440 Like there's like certainly some like detransition, like a grifters. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.880 There used to be like ex gay influencers or you 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.640 know this like like proto influencers kind of before influencers 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.440 were a thing, like ex gay speakers. But yeah, the 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:56.200 switch around on Candace from these blog posts is so concentrated. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.640 So in her own words she describes it as happening, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.080 Oh there you go. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.600 Yeah, how it happened is like fascinating to me. 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.520 So in twenty sixteen, when Gamergate was in full swing, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.280 Owen's launched a Kickstarter for a project called Social Autopsy, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.960 which she described as a way to catalog the abuses 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.920 of trolls and cyberbullies. Fun fact that Kickstarter is still 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.680 up today. It is such a weird time capsule of 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.400 a different time. There's like a video of her speaking 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.040 earnestly about the need to like have the internet be 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.760 a like safer, more equitable landscape. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:29.920 It is nuts, like. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.160 People should go listen to her speaking about this project. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.440 So the plan for this project was essentially that she 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.680 would create a way to de anonymize online commentators and 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.800 then connect them with like their real names and their 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.600 real life employers. And what's so funny is that, like 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.160 that is the very same argument that a lot of 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.800 people use, people who like want to restrict the open 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.040 Internet still use today that like problems on the Internet 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.920 online harassment and abuse would all be improved if only 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.360 everybody had to use their government idea and government names 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.960 to access the Internet. And so like it's very funny 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.280 that that idea it was bad then, and it didn't 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.560 really die, it was just recycled into today. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.880 Yeah, I mean, like there's a version of this that happens, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.480 or at least it kind of used to happen more 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.880 in regards to like anti fascist research, where like you're 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.520 like identify specific like extremely racist accounts or like explicit 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.880 neo Nazis and contact their employer in an attempt to 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.720 get to get them fired so they can focus on 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.440 getting a new job and supporting themselves rather than doing 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.240 racism online and in person, if especially if he's like, 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.160 you know, a member of like a group, whether that 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.560 be you know, the Proud Boys back in the day 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.520 or many many other groups, Patriot Prayer now, Patriot Front, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.040 that sort of thing. It's funny how hated this tactic 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.640 is soon to be by people like Candice and the 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.839 Daily Wire people. But here she's advocating it herself exactly, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.920 and they just like post Anita Sarkisian kind of content 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:58.800 like world. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.240 Yeah, so pretty much everybody thought this was a bad idea, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.040 including video game developer Zoe Quinn, who folks might remember 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.160 was kind of at the center of Gamergate and was 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:15.000 like viciously attacked. Owens was subsequently harassed and docs and 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.400 she blamed Zoe Quinn and other feminists for this and 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.280 said so publicly as you can probably guess, like people 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.520 like Milo Gyanopolis loved this. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.000 People who were promoters of. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.880 Gamergate really hyped up Owens's claims that like, yes, feminists 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.160 were actually the ones doing all the online harassing. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.640 Okay, I can see where this is going. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.920 So this event is what Owen's credits with her turn 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.079 from progressive to quote becoming a red pilled radical. She says, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.480 I became a conservative overnight. I realized that liberals were 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.720 actually the racists. Liberals were actually the trolls. She starts 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.320 promoting right wing viewpoints on her YouTube channel, calling herself 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.520 quote red pilled black, which I gotta say is like 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:58.520 pretty good branding. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.040 Like I'm I'm mad at the branding there. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.560 I was like, Okay, black woman talking about like right 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:04.760 wing stuff, red pill black. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:05.560 I get it. I get it. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.480 Yeah, I'm interested to see how much how much the 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.480 checkbook was a consideration here? Oh yes, how much her 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.520 Kickstarter god versus how much she realized she could get 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.079 if she jumped on the other side of the content churn. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.960 Well, she almost instantly gets noticed by Charlie Kirk, founder 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.040 of Turning Points USA Right, and he hires her almost immediately. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.720 She starts cranking out these videos that really perform quite well, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.520 that her videos really go viral. Videos where she's doing 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.640 things like dismissing the twenty seventeen White supremacist Unite the 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.960 Right rally in Charlottesville. Alex Jones gets her to co 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.480 host some of his info war shows. She's doing stints 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.720 on Fox News as a paid commentator, like business is 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.040 booming for Candice Owens from this turn. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.839 Yeah, this is around when I became aware of her. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.959 Yes, in twenty twenty one, she joins up with the 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.600 Daily Wire. There was so much fanfare around them higher Candace, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.360 like it was a big deal she moved to Nashville. Yeah, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.920 fun fact, there was even a House joint resolution House 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.079 Joint Resolution three fifty, a resolution in the Tennessee government 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.400 to congratulate Candace Owens are relocating to Tennessee and for 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.080 her work at Daily Wired. That reads whereas Miss Owens 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.880 has earned the admiration and respect of millions of Americans 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.240 through her activism in support of President Trump as a 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.760 black woman and her perceptive criticism of creeping socialism and 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.520 leftist political tyranny. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:30.920 Very cool stuff. 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:36.199 Yeah, imagine it being like a joint resolution in your 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.319 local government when you move someplace. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:38.920 Yeah. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.240 The Governor of Tennessee was like super excited when the 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.160 Daily Wire relocated their headquarters to Tennessee and brought in 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.520 all these people. Like there was there was like so 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.440 many like private dinners meetings. There was like a like 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:55.120 a number of resolutions welcoming the Daily Wire to Tennessee. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.120 In this like twenty twenty one period as they were 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.360 just starting to like launch their own extreming service website, 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.880 which is why they recruited Candace is because they were 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.959 looking for content creators to fill out their slate. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.760 So you would think that this should be like a 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.400 match made in heaven, right, smooth sailing. They need insidiary 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.840 content creators. She's an insidiary content creator. Should be a 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.760 match made in heaven. Perfect Not quite, because things end 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:24.600 in like this really messy public fallout just a few 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.599 years later. So I know that you've done episodes on 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.720 this from my perspective, and I would love to know 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.040 what you think. It's not one hundred percent clear what 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.960 went down, but the public friction between Candace Owens and 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.400 Ben Shapiro, one of the founders of Daily Wire, it 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.319 seemed to be like related to reactions around the situation 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:44.959 in Gaza. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:46.480 Yeah, totally so. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.240 Ben Shapiro is Jewish and Owens, as we said, has 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.120 said and done like a lot of anti Semitic stuff, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:54.080 like a lot and. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.040 Like actual Adesemitic stuff like that people use that as 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:03.360 a way to like shut down like very very admirable, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.360 like like like Propelstinian like activism. No, like Canda owns 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.880 just is anti semitic, and this it's like the same 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.040 thing with like Jackson Hinkel, and she made it like 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.560 an escalating series of anti semitic claims after October seventh, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.640 which which slowly kind of like broke with the company 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.319 and ben like more and more and more of over 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.400 series of a few months. Yes, and it's it's it's 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.320 funny because like it also kind of mirrors this like 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.800 online fight she had with Stephen Crowder like a year 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.760 or so prior when Daily Wire was trying to recruit him, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.280 and then she got informed about like how like abusive 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.640 he was to his wife, and then she went on 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.320 like a media blitz like against him as like as 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.360 he was in negotiations like with the Daily Wire. She's 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.840 like very willing to like stir shit up, like even 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.720 if it like goes against her own interests or the 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.000 interests of like whatever company she works for, Like she 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.600 is she is absolutely willing to like make like some 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.520 kind of like chaotic spectacle regardless of her own like 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.400 you know, financial security. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.000 I guess yes, like she I'm so glad that you 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.760 mentioned that she is not afraid to get down and 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.920 dirty in public and I do think, like, you know, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.920 as a black woman who works with a lot of 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.679 white men, I would imagine that she's probably thinking, like, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.679 I have to have some kind of decorum. I don't 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.920 want anyone to say that I'm being a crazy black 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:21.680 woman or whatever. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.600 She's it seems like she has no such qualms. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.400 Like she is like I will, I will make this 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.400 a public, messy fight, and I am not afraid to 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.000 make a genuine spectacle of myself. Yeah, and so it 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.200 is really important to note that, like, as you said, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.400 she wasn't just like criticizing the Israeli States. She was 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:44.000 like getting into like blood lible and like deep conspiracy theories. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.480 Yeah, no, it was. There was some really nasty posts. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.760 Yeah, Like one of the things that she said, she's 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.440 claimed that Judaism was quote a pedophile centric religion that 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.120 believes in demons and child sacrifice, and that she was 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.440 waking people up to the fact that pedophiles are in power, like. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:00.120 Stuff like that. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.680 Not great, not good, not good. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.280 So, as you said, like this starts to become like 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.120 a public feud toward her employer. She wrote on Twitter, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.080 no one can serve two masters, and ended her post 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.680 writing you cannot serve both God and money, which Ben Shapiro, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:21.440 her boss, tweets like quote tweeted, oh my god, Like, Candice, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.440 if you feel that taking money from the Daily Wire 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.080 somehow that comes between you and God, by all means quit, 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.360 Like messy is there. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.600 It's crazy that instead of having like a company meeting, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.640 they were just doing this on Twitter dot com. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.760 Oh my god, and my messy ass was eating it up. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.840 I was like, keep fighting, let him fight. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.600 Oh yeah, no, absolutely, I'm totally willing to like watch this, 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:43.880 watch this go down. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.760 I do not want to get involved, right right right. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.760 Owens like went on Tuck Her Carlson Show and said 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:53.040 that Ben Shapiro was quote acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.280 for weeks now. She said that Shapiro quote crossed a 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.760 certain line. When you come for scripture and read yourself 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.600 into it, I will not talk it. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:01.440 Very cool. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.400 Yeah, So, at one point, Owen's tweets that she wants 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.080 Ben Shapiro to have a public like debate with her, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.560 moderated by podcaster Patrick Bett Davide. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.800 Ben Shapiro was having none of this. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.680 He tweets, Candice, I can see why you'd want to 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.520 hide behind a moderator, particularly one who said we should 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.400 rename our company quote Daily Jewish Wire just yesterday, No 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.560 Jesus one on one Monday at five, we can sit 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.560 down and have a healthy debate like adult and will 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.520 live stream it on x and YouTube. Take it or 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.320 leave it as to the true reason why you didn't 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.000 respond to my offer to sit down with you and 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.720 discuss these issues publicly or privately back in February, I 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.560 have no idea what the hell you're talking about. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.480 Like, this is employer employee going at it on Twitter. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.320 I can't believe I'm taking Ben Shapiro's side here, not 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.400 just because he's Ben Shapiro, but also because he's an employer. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.960 But it's a really it's a really tough situation here. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.720 Yeah, I feel the same way, because, like, it's just 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.640 not a great look to have somebody that you just 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.120 hired to all this fanfare come actually like this on Twitter, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.600 like and I think, I mean, this is just my opinion, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.600 so like take that for what it's worth, just as 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.720 somebody who has worked in media and been around the block. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.719 The reason why I'm not comfortable saying like their feud 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:15.480 was entirely based on Owens's anti Semitic comments and behavior 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.200 is that she just went so hard and so public 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.639 that something to me, I almost wonder if there was 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.919 like a contract dispute here, but like she was like, oh, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.040 I can make more money on my own, totally gotta 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.199 get out of this contract or something, because like it 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.080 just doesn't smell right. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.879 I mean, yeah, if she had like an inclination that 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.879 she could afford to lose his job because she might 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.119 make more money on her own, then yeah, absolutely that 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.400 would that would allow her to push this further than 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.959 what she might otherwise might. Like there's been a lot 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.840 of a lot of discussion in the right wing contents 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.679 fear about like the Daily Wires fairly restrictive contracts despite 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.520 still getting paid like tens of millions of dollars, there 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.000 is like restrictions on like what happens when you lose 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.040 monetization because the Daily Wires like a company trying to 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.640 make a profit, So totally, I think there could absolutely 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.000 be other financial stuff going on here. I think it's 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.119 more like an interlocking series of issues rather than just 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.119 one thing or another. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.919 Yes, So after Rabbi Shmooley Boteach criticized Owens for her 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.680 defenses of Kanye West. Owens liked to tweet asking Boteach 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.200 if he was quote drunk on Christian blood again. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.119 And I guess that was the final straw. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.880 A few days later, Daily Wire and Candace Owens ended 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.879 their relationship, with Owen's tweeting the rumors are true, I 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:40.120 am finally free. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:42.800 Okay. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.080 So that's what happened with her and Daily Wire. So 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.840 where is she now? Well, this is where the story 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.280 gets interesting because I had not heard from Candace Owens 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.920 in a minute, and my reintroduction to her happened recently, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.280 and when I was trying to make sense of the 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.840 dispute between two Hollywood A listers, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.760 So the issue between Blake and Justin it's a little 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.520 bit complicated and ongoing, but it's actually a pretty interesting 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.440 story that includes a lot of things that I enjoy, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.240 like how celebrities use media and how social media platforms 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.080 can be weaponized for or against specific people. Email correspondence 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.120 where people make themselves look terrible in writing because they 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.680 do not expect those emails to be in a deposition 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:24.800 later like that is my favorite thing in the world, like, 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.359 please continue to put your wrongdoing in writing so that 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.320 my nosey ask can read it later and be like, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:34.480 ooh messy. So I do encourage like folks to read 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.600 up on it because it does go beyond just like 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.399 two celebrities having a feud, but you don't really need 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.080 to know the specifics for our purposes. The quick and 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.560 dirty version is that Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni were 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.320